🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[rancid plank]

new Himeko

[rain isle]

I hope it won't be p2 Seele for 8.6....

Plz gib me time to save devs

[robust crane]

been gone so long seele got a dkey

[gleaming imp]

And I think we ALL will pulling it day one

[ember locust]

Tbh yeah

[still vine]

[gleaming imp]

https://tenor.com/view/seele-vollerei-bronya-zaychik-bronseele-honkai-impact-honkai-impact3rd-gif-21548994

Besties

[still vine]

[glass nacelle]

Er dmg

[desert lily]

[still vine]

weird that they still don't change her victory screen and icon depending on the form you're in especially since swapping forms mid fight isn't a thing anymore

also does that mean her ult is tap instead of hold now

[atomic coral]

i heard it's a tap now since you can't accidentally switch anymore

[still vine]

[fresh latch]

wait a damn minute

fym we have a new seele too.

[vale granite]

A HoRb upgrade

[fresh latch]

[vale granite]

Not an entirely new Seele

[fresh latch]

still pretty

[still vine]

wow finally horbius DPS no longer being held back by senti's SP farming and dogshit impair duration

[still condor]

Now she can be held back by Vita's dog shit animations

[vale granite]

Tbf we don't even know whether Vita is BiS in her case

iirc HLE has Breach? cmiiw

[desert lily]

Don't know yet

[still condor]

Idk but I kinda doubt she does since she also supports GoI and GoI literally just got a breach support, unless they restrict her breach to WS only

[still vine]

good thing she has other options unlike p1 where senti was the only one

[glass nacelle]

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Senagood

[still vine]

always has been

[vale granite]

More like "Marisa didn't translate yet"

[desert lily]

Yeah

[glass nacelle]

Yesn't

Her wod skill is just pure buff

Tdm, ele/phys, ranged sth

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

Her resonance skill too

her resonance skill literally copies thelema skill

[ember locust]

Bruh Theledead

She hates it

[feral epoch]

i mean, they really gave her away for "free" and paid for ranks etc

she's too powerful, that's how they get rid of her

[bitter urchin]

Thelema weap anyway to ger it or next patch can get it?

[smoky lintel]

only through the battle pass shop

[bitter urchin]

Next patch bp?

[smoky lintel]

yeah

[rancid plank]

If you buy it yep

[bitter urchin]

Time to spend some money

[daring fiber]

yatta!

[still vine]

[little bronze]

🔫

[willow pumice]

amg

[muted mauve]

Kira bday in just a little over 12 hours

[glass nacelle]

[gleaming imp]

Omg mobius spotted

Hint 8.6 new snek suit?

[desert lily]

Doubtful

[unique swallow]

[wise briar]

Do we know anything abt astralring info of new elysia? Do we know what her weapon does? And her stigmata pieces any info abt them (like effect?)

Set effect?

[desert lily]

All I can say is she's Grail of Infinitude with the tags: Symbiosis, Domain Resonance, and Harmonized Shadow Star
Meaning she can support World Star and Wheel of Destiny Valks

Same with GoI though she's also a dps for that

[naive briar]

wrong channel Captain

[final locust]

why?

why did they make her buff hohe, when she's meant to be hohe replacement?

idgi, she should have had LoA tag instead of WS

[rancid plank]

I assume she has it so she can support HoRB

[desert lily]

Yeah

[final locust]

yeah but like

there's already a myriad of WS supports
that are really good in their own regard

[atomic coral]

if you're a returnee and don't have those supports, now you have a team at least

assuming they already have horb

[final locust]

i just feel like she is made way less futureproof with no LoA or ??? tag

the only relevant AR tag she has is symbiosis
unless HoRb revives WS she's... there

[desert lily]

HoRb kinda does since she's the first WS that's Phys

[final locust]

true but phys was already a saturated field

we have to see if she can genuinely take bosses from chars

[gleaming imp]

Doesn't take bosses from characters please be true it'll be good PR

[desert lily]

I mean, it depends on which bosses she takes from LV

[gleaming imp]

It's LV a p1 Valk

[desert lily]

Only certain bosses HoRb can take
The lightning and bleed ones she can't

[slate elm]

@wise briar anyway earlier you seem to have some questions about the upcoming ely. Have we covered everything or is there anything I still haven't covered yet?

[wise briar]

||Its in the cn channel cuz idk if its allowed here||

[slate elm]

this is the cn channel though

[wise briar]

Oh wait

[slate elm]

lol yeah i'm moving here

[wise briar]

I DIDNT SEE MB

Do we know anything abt astralring info of new elysia? Do we know what her weapon does? And her stigmata pieces any info abt them (like effect?)

[lusty path]

is chenxue for upcoming ely
as well

[slate elm]

as said earlier, new ely is GoI ring type so you want supports with symbiosis tags.
Both FDD and HoHE with her dkey have this symbiosis tag so they can be a team

[wise briar]

What her astral ring leader buff does?

[desert lily]

Don't know if we have a translation for that yet

[wise briar]

Oh okay

[slate elm]

hm i don't see anything kit wise for new ely yet in the pins. It'll prob be up in the next few days

[naive briar]

I am too busy ||spamming Elysia victory screen|| but beta is out so all kit info is out

[slate elm]

yeah technically it should be ok to post and it should be available now

but just for general rule of thumb, i think it's good to exercise the idea of "if it's not in the pins, stay more careful about posting it"

https://i.imgur.com/U03iRq8.png

but anyway that's the main thing i can tell you for now. tbh i don't know too much either

[wise briar]

Oh alr

[slate elm]

chenxue is mainly for GoI so probably

so we talked about GoI already. Do we want to talk about new ely as a support to other dps?

[desert lily]

Some more info if needed

[wise briar]

Do we know what her kit does? (Just asking bc i might have skipped it)

[slate elm]

can you elaborate by kit?

because i think what we are posting was already relevant to that

and it feels like either you're not reading or you're asking for something more

[desert lily]

Weapon passives and Stigmata probably

[wise briar]

Like

Idk how to explain

[slate elm]

ok riley the reason why i'm asking is because i want them to get more specific with their questions lol

[wise briar]

Okay ill try to do that lol

[slate elm]

but yeah if you're asking for like what does ult, basics, weapon actives do then we usually do get a translation page for that. It's just not up yet

[desert lily]

Probably best you answer over me yapping

[wise briar]

Yes its fhat

[slate elm]

akayuki did do a beta live stream recently if you want to catch some early gameplay. just beware anything in beta is subject to change

[slate elm]

symbiosis tag means she can support other valks with GoI acting as the leader dps. As an example, new ely can support the recent PAWS helia

domain resonance tag matches with world star. So new ely can support new HoRb, or maybe even senadina or sparkle dps.

Shadow star matches with wheel of destiny. Perhaps she an be used to support hohe dps.

just dumping that there before i forget and lose it on my clipboard lol

https://www.youtube.com/@Akayuki/streams

[wise briar]

Question

[slate elm]

don't ask to ask
edit: well tbh i don't care as long as you don't wait for us to respond

[wise briar]

||can i talk abt her weapon here?||

[slate elm]

yes. anything not in beta cannot be asked

[wise briar]

HER WEAPON IS SO BEAUTIFUL??!

[slate elm]

so for example if there are possible theoretical leaks of the character after ely, then that's not allowed right now

until that becomes officially revealed

[grand viper]

after how many years, we finally have Summon valk tag

[muted mauve]

[slate elm]

or maybe you somehow know of upcoming changes to the new ely that isn't officially released yet. then that's not allowed to talk about either
(e.g. we are in beta v2 right now. so any actual v3 info shouldn't be talked about)

[slate elm]

but will JST description be updated

[wise briar]

Hey since i dont have dkey of hoHe yet

Who can i use as a replacement (f2p friendly) for new ely.

[slate elm]

tbh nothing is going to come close

[rancid plank]

Your best team is going to be New Ely FDD Blastmetal

[wise briar]

Oh

[rancid plank]

Unless you pull a dkey or someone from carnival

[wise briar]

Whats carnival..

[slate elm]

just use the default for now. if you must craft the one in the foundry that only costs AE imaginons then you can level it to 35, but don't ever upgrade it

[muted mauve]

New map looks rather simple until you look out the window.
But there's 2 things that caught my eyes.
1 - A QR code.
2 - A train station list.
I need to scan the first and translate the second.

[rancid plank]

Special banner that gives you 20 free pulls for a selection of old battlesuits

Tho this time they’re not that old fsr

[final locust]

basically try your luck gamba gacha for f2p/light spenders and yay big rank banner for whel

[slate elm]

special banner full of reruns. You can spend regular crystals on it too but since it's reruns, it's not worth it meta wise

[wise briar]

What?

[slate elm]

that was for hohe weapon

[wise briar]

Default hohe?

[rancid plank]

I think they misunderstood the question

[slate elm]

light string is default
call of crescent is foundry craftable bow

[rancid plank]

Yeah that’s not what they asked

[wise briar]

What one in the foundry?

[final locust]

vbm

[wise briar]

Alr

[slate elm]

oh sorry i did misunderstand the question

[final locust]

wait you have FDD dont you?? just pull hrb dkey and there's your full team

[rancid plank]

They don’t have horb

[final locust]

eh she'll be free somehow at some point

[wise briar]

Yes

[rancid plank]

Yeah but who knows when

[final locust]

probably gonna go in reserve but you can use VBm until you get HoRb

[wise briar]

What were u tslking abt?

[final locust]

i believe you already know this but don't pull hohe dk

[slate elm]

well anyway what QTesseract said here answers your earlier question

[wise briar]

I know

[wise briar]

But why

[rancid plank]

I mean HoHE dkey isn’t even a bad pull if it runs next patch?

[wise briar]

What were u talking abt lol?

[slate elm]

i mean they really like ely in general. meta wise it's not recommended but we can be a bit lax on that if that's what they are playing the game for (edit: as long as they are aware of the consequences/trade offs which we did explain before)

[slate elm]

i thought your question was what weapon to use on hohe until you get her dkey

[final locust]

if you are playing specifically for ely then you may have some leeway there. i was able to pull HoRb 4/4 in 7.1 without it majorly affecting my account in a bad way but that was after spending over $200 so if you're f2p it may or may not be doable.

[wise briar]

Lol

[slate elm]

basically the 60 or less rolls you're going to spend on hohe dkey would be better spent on a future newly released valk or weapon instead

[final locust]

there's also a free hohe next patch so you don't have to get her from reserve works

[slate elm]

yeah they are aware of that now. they got to avoid spending on level rush because of it too

[rancid plank]

HoHE dkey is probably the least bad backpull because it’s cheap and they’ll have the battlesuit and its permenant attack. It’s still a backpull but you could do way worse

[final locust]

i mean if you can afford level rush and are open to buying it i would certainly suggest purchasing it anyway

but a lot don't have the excess funds to just throw money at the game

[slate elm]

true. level rush is still good crystal to money value, regardless of the extra valk on it

[wise briar]

I was rhinking of saving for level rush bc of the xtals and hohe but they said monthly was better for xtals?

[slate elm]

but yeah when it comes to real money, just because it's good value doesn't mean you have to do it

[final locust]

monthly is a permanent bundle. level rush isn't

[slate elm]

basically you can get both

[final locust]

you can buy monthly/BP at any time, level rush is an LTO

[slate elm]

if you must pick between one or the other i don't remember which is better but you can run the math on that

[wise briar]

Wait who was wiht hohe in the login event next patch?

[final locust]

HoTr

[slate elm]

we do have a whale guide in the pins of the beginner channel

please check pins

[slate elm]

this was definitely a question that was answered there https://i.imgur.com/ZZ2s8jT.png

[final locust]

doesn't say anything about level rush

[rancid plank]

Monthly card is better than level rush

[slate elm]

huh does it not? that's really wild if so

[rancid plank]

In pure crystals

[final locust]

level rush is still an LTO. monthly is perm

[rancid plank]

It was the other pin that mentions level rush

[final locust]

i would rec level rush > monthly for a new player if im being honest

[rancid plank]

Not that one

[slate elm]

#👶beginner-help message @final locust ?

[rancid plank]

Why? So they can have S2 HoHE?

[final locust]

oh the pin is yuge

[final locust]

because its an LTO.

[rancid plank]

Monthly may be always available but it’s better to get monthly this month and next month than level rush this month and monthly next month

[final locust]

you can't get it after the manual goes away, ever again

[rancid plank]

Level rush is only worth it if you are already getting monthly for the month

[slate elm]

that doesn't matter though if you're on a limited irl budget

[rancid plank]

Just because something is limited doesn’t mean it’s better

[final locust]

that's not rlly true

[slate elm]

ideally you get both if you are willing and can afford them

[final locust]

i didn't say it was better. it's just limited

[slate elm]

monthly is just as limited time wise tbh

if i spend the time across one month without monthly, but then spend on all future monthlies

i'm not getting that first month back ever

[final locust]

i mean sure

[rancid plank]

So yeah. Level rush is fine if you will consistantly get monthlies but if not grab monthlies, don’t miss out on two monthly cards to get one level rush

[final locust]

why would that equate 😭

[slate elm]

anyway just run the math

[rancid plank]

Well level rush is like twice as expensive

[final locust]

$5 for monthly and you can buy any time in the month

[slate elm]

crystals gained divided by dollars spent if time isn't the factor

[rancid plank]

And if you do monthly card is much better

[slate elm]

but if time is the factor, then the later you buy the more you lose

[wise briar]

Lets say i do buy level rush(prob not) should i get hotr in the login event?

[slate elm]

because buying earlier means you can get more crystals sooner

[final locust]

$1/602 for monthly
level rush idr how much it gives

[slate elm]

not really. HoTr uses are niche or obsolete too nowadays

[final locust]

that's also an added benefit to level up your dorm

[rancid plank]

5.4K crystals

For 880 chips

Iirc

[slate elm]

flip this quotient. We want crystals gained while minimizing dollars spent

wait what's the 602

[final locust]

it's a dollar per 602 crystals

[slate elm]

i thought it would be like 31xx or something

oh ok

ignore what i said earlier then

as long as you know the ratio and how to compare them to each other

[rancid plank]

And level rush is like 13, 14 bucks for 5.4K crystals

[wise briar]

6.6k

[rancid plank]

Is that counting the free ones?

[wise briar]

Oh nvm

Nvm

[rancid plank]

So it’s like 400 crystals per dollar

And monthly card is about 50% more cash efficient

[final locust]

so a little less worth, but you also get 1 more valk to level dorm faster

[wise briar]

5.6k

[rancid plank]

Ah sorry ty

Doesn’t change the direction tho

[slate elm]

anyway what styxx said is true. having more variety in your roster can give you slightly more dorm passive bonuses. HoTr is also available in elysian realm too so you can get the 620 one time crystals from her there.

I just don't think it's a big deal as hotr will prob become more available in other ways as time goes on, but the same can be said for hohe ranks

[final locust]

hotr is in reserve next patch

[slate elm]

meta wise if i have to pick, i will lean towards hotr overall if you're getting hohe from level rush

[final locust]

but that's like. 5 patches for an F2P to obtain

[slate elm]

but if you're focused on ely and hohe, i'm not opposed to getting ranks for her either

[wise briar]

Is the paladin and knight bp two different things to buy?

[final locust]

yes

[wise briar]

Arent ranks like… underwhelming

[final locust]

definitely not in hohe's case, lmao

[wise briar]

Lemme check

[final locust]

every rank until SS1 is majorly impactful for her except S3

[rancid plank]

Well for HoHe support they are

[slate elm]

especially if new ely can be a support for hohe dps (with dkey). We don't know for sure how well these two work together for now though? (maybe people already tested it in beta at this point but idk at least)

[final locust]

even S3 is pretty impactful

[rancid plank]

But not for dps

[slate elm]

underwhelming to spend crystals and to roll for

but we do get ranks in other ways as time goes on

[rancid plank]

Anyway I’m stuck here with my s1 HoHE but I don’t really regret it

[wise briar]

I aint see none

[final locust]

i wonder if HoRb will be the first dkey valk to have ranks that do something for support

yeah she will be i think
maybe not

[wise briar]

Lemme check if i can get level rush lol

[rancid plank]

Only get it if you can afford it! Make smart financial decisions. But I bought it and don’t regret it

[wise briar]

I dont have a job

[slate elm]

anyway i need to go now. if you still have questions feel free to ask here or in the help channels and others can still help.

Don't forget to be mindful and avoid hinting at leaks even if you didn't intend it. Check pins. Review how astral ring team building works.

yeah everybody's value and weight of irl money will differ. Be responsible.

it's very possible to just stay f2p in this game and reasonable achieve red lotus rank

some people are very happy with agony 3 rank too

[vale granite]

Well, technically HoS ranks have some team buffs

[final locust]

i meant stellar key

[vale granite]

But ofc you ain't using Brick if it's not HoS DPS

Ah

[wise briar]

Im probably not gonna get level up rush

[vale granite]

Well, iirc HoFi ranks have some HoO buffs

Or rather Mei buffs

Lemme double check

[final locust]

oh i think that might be true

[rancid plank]

Sounds good. Make the decision that’s right for you

[wise briar]

Wait i can-

[slate elm]

perfectly ok. What's important is you plan around that. In this case going after hohe from the free rewards next patch instead

[final locust]

yes they do technically but it's only on leader

[wise briar]

wait i think i did it wrong lemme check again

[vale granite]

Her leader at the very least

[slate elm]

well figure it out for yourself. I'm not your parent or anything and i'm not in charge of your finances lol

[final locust]

so it's not usable outside of trio
technically buffs but

[slate elm]

i'm just here to give reminders and advice

also don't share details of your finances openly on the internet either. stay safe

[vale granite]

Also SSS

[wise briar]

Im probably gonna be able to buy it in like 42 days from now-

[final locust]

why are her numbers so weird

[wise briar]

Ye

[final locust]

like 😭 1.95%?

[slate elm]

fine beta adjustments? idk

tbh i appreciate them showing the weirder numbers

[wise briar]

Im probably gonna be able to buy it in like 42 days from now on if i do save for it..

[slate elm]

because we had a case back in the day where DK augment displays 5 sp when it was technically 4.9 iirc?

and that actually mattered in a case or two

[final locust]

wtf lmao

[wise briar]

Why is yoonchae here

[slate elm]

i know numbers in genshin can go ridiculous too if you want to know their true strict value

[final locust]

HoFi numbers are truly freaky

[slate elm]

like some character's base attack can be like 165.464587748465468...

but i digress

[final locust]

this too

thats hoo tho

[gleaming imp]

I’m a proud SSS hofin owner, sss hofin can score #1 on cora2 shill in RL

Vertical investment

[slate elm]

my hofin is still s0 :^)

[final locust]

mine too

[gleaming imp]

[slate elm]

and i accepted my L last cycle

[final locust]

i got T1 rl last cycle tho

[gleaming imp]

What about PWO stamps

[final locust]

RL brackets are a bit skill issued

[slate elm]

all dumped on hohe

[gleaming imp]

Understandable

[slate elm]

and i didn't even got my retain on that cycle

so it was wasted

[final locust]

the income to cost ratio is not there lmao

[gleaming imp]

Ely on top

[final locust]

AW is already extremely scarce

[slate elm]

it's so bad because i can't even afford the locks this patch now lol

[gleaming imp]

I just use mine only for PWO

[final locust]

now add 20k GWO to that

for 2.5 ranks

[gleaming imp]

Soon I get SSS HoH

Just one more stamp

[final locust]

or is it 3

[slate elm]

i wouldn't say scarce but it can be a zero-able resource if you really want to

[final locust]

it's 3. S3

[wise briar]

How much fragments u get if u get a duplicate?

[final locust]

50

[gleaming imp]

50

[slate elm]

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Fragment_Farming

for full details because it can depend on the valk base type

oh wait is this not updated lol

well anyway for a dupe base s rank that isn't an awakened form, 50

[final locust]

if you're maxing the optimal valks (KMB and LE) you're getting like 900 GWO per week. that's 23 weeks to max out hofi stamps alone, and you need to buy hohe and possibly hoo too
that'd be almost 90 weeks

[slate elm]

the shop isn't there to be emptied jfc lol

just get what you need

can be one stamp or two or five

[final locust]

it needs to be

[slate elm]

get that shit out of here esp if you're telling that to others lmao

[final locust]

i mean that's only 3 stamp types out of like 30 lmao

[slate elm]

and don't forget stamps can be from other sources like spending event or paid bp or top up events

or elysian realm

[wise briar]

How much do u get for hohe?

Whats an awakened is it like hov to her. Wings?

[final locust]

all valks get 50 frags on dupe
awakened get some other number (180?)

[wise briar]

Ohk

[slate elm]

reserve work shop, pure witch orb shop, and upcoming patch rewards in pins are prob the main notable sources

level rush for you as well

[wise briar]

Im leaning more onto s2 hohe rather than hotr

[final locust]

dont worry about awakened valks. they're all irrelevant and they don't make them anymore

[final locust]

keep in mind that's a lot less smart than getting both in terms of improving your account via leveling dorm

[wise briar]

Aaa

[final locust]

but you are playing for elysia

[slate elm]

still valid esp if you want to dps with her with astral ring teams. but be wary of the trade offs as styxx is saying

beware her dps use cases isn't as common anymore

[wise briar]

Waait i remember

[final locust]

esp with new ely her boss profile should be like halved

[slate elm]

and she kind of has dependencies on thelema for various utilities but idk if new ely covers them too

[wise briar]

Im using hohe for support so shouldnt i get hotr in this case?

[final locust]

she doesn't

new ely can help with ARC DPSing but you still need thele for shieldbreak and rime

maybe not rime

[slate elm]

oh well rip so i guess hohe main dps even with dkey isn't too notable for akemi's situation

[wise briar]

This is js if im getting level rush

Probably gonna if im motivated enough to save

[final locust]

if you end up getting level rush it's more optimal to get HoTr instead of HoHE from the box next patch

[slate elm]

strictly speaking valks don't always have been dps or support. You can freely change them for the situation

but yeah at this point from what spoke just now, hotr is looking to be the overall most attractive meta choice

[wise briar]

Attractive

[slate elm]

i obviously don't mean that aesthetically

[wise briar]

Ik

[final locust]

it's not out of the question for her to get a dkey later down the line either

[vale granite]

While technically true, that's some very strong copium imo

[slate elm]

yeah considering we're past hofi i find it difficult to imagine overall

[vale granite]

Pharmaceutical-grade

[slate elm]

but sure it's within possibilities

[final locust]

idk if they wanna keep making sales from p2 dkeys there's still 2 herrschers left to get them and 2 extremely popular powerful p1 valks to get them as well

[wise briar]

48 days until next patch??!

[final locust]

well technically 4 herrschers but

[slate elm]

it doesn't strictly have to be herrschers overall but yeah who knows

[final locust]

traditionally herrschers are given them first unless it has to do with recent story developments

[wise briar]

How many xtals to get both weap and char?

[slate elm]

traditionally TP and BKE got weapon updates too

[wise briar]

I mean xtals

Wait

[slate elm]

but i'm just a relative fossil boy

within styxx's timeline that's more relatively recent it's basically just been herrschers, sure

[wise briar]

42k xtals??

[slate elm]

search faq rates in the help channel

[wise briar]

Guaranteed

Beginner or gameplay? Beg right.

[slate elm]

keep in mind of the free ten rolls we have next patch too

prob doesn't matter

90 rolls to guarantee valk. 60 to guarantee weapon. 150 total

280 crystals per roll

i can give you a very easy answer but i'll let you math it to learn

alot of people overestimate how much they have so i think it's good to have a hard look at the numbers

wtf i didn't get the valk in 9k crystals

yeah buddy that's only 30 rolls

[final locust]

TP did? hekate pri?

[slate elm]

ye

the sombre

[final locust]

iirc AF was because of whatever was happening in story at the time, no?

[slate elm]

probably. idr

[final locust]

and utu was also because of story

[slate elm]

you can argue both ways really

[final locust]

i think

[slate elm]

and in the end the way i see it, sometimes mihoyo gives a story excuse but overall it's not a requirement

[final locust]

so it's not impossible for non-herrschers to get dkeys. herrschers just get them more often

[slate elm]

they can do random upgrades without the story (i would give an example but i prob shouldn't as it's technically viewable as a spoiler)

yeah

i just don't want to give a hard rule or hard impression (it's a cheap out but we all have seen how much hoyo can bend around things to make things work, so any absolute rule is never a good idea)

and some people are kinda coping for LV too (no i'm not one of them believe it or not )

who isn't a herrscher

[final locust]

well now i wanna know

[final locust]

i think it's extremely likely for LV to get a dkey if im being honest

FoV is very fitting too

[wise briar]

I alr did it

[slate elm]

i can understand how influential LV is to get that sort of idea but it's just not something i'm betting on personally

[slate elm]

oh that would be pretty sick tbh

[gleaming imp]

Please no fov or lv dkey, I skipped, I don't have them like I did the other valks who have dkey

[slate elm]

and i say that as a person who doesn't have her

[brisk fjord]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gleaming imp]

At least give them for free

[final locust]

theyre both in BP

[wise briar]

Is the current xtals in calculator included in the total?

[final locust]

yes

[wise briar]

Oh wrong chanell

[gleaming imp]

I'm a f2p

[wise briar]

Channel

[final locust]

suffer

[gleaming imp]

[final locust]

spend or die

the whales rule all

[gleaming imp]

I have to wait til 9.2 to get a new Valk that isn't a dkey

And then 9.4 for another

Or is it 9.1 and 9.3 since it's 8 patches and not 9

[cinder cloak]

[gleaming imp]

Paws then new Ely, then whoever is next I like

[glass nacelle]

【打笑了 测试服v2 530扰统御地藏 无词缀ss2³希s0¹爱s2¹v sss瑟拉 732-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/xFbGDX5

[wise briar]

FIRST

[glass nacelle]

Still terrible like usual

[wise briar]

New ely is js mpe and hohe combined and they cooked

[desert lily]

[wise briar]

Wats this for

[gleaming imp]

I wish 8.4 event could be done in one day

[short knoll]

732 summon jizo at type disadvantage seem pretty good

well, not counting the rank

[rain isle]

Y'know, I noticed something

Why is Seele's resonance dmg so low?

I just watched moriso's video about Ellie and Seele gameplay and noticed that.

It was like 200k per tick

[steep axle]

horb sk is crazy

but um i never used dps horb before

[glass nacelle]

bcs her ult is big nuke

btw it isn't bad ig

[rain isle]

I watched the other video about her gameplay and it looked like reso triggers did much more damage, more in line with the other valks

Either way, seewe

[still vine]

[rain isle]

[muted mauve]

No news today but new post in 6h

[prisma tartan]

[glass nacelle]

[plucky glen]

is it reasonable to expect hotr getting a stellar key soon since theyre giving her for free now? noticing a trend

[shrewd socket]

no

[feral epoch]

no

[plucky glen]

[prisma tartan]

its okay to cope thou

[desert lily]

Her being free inside a box doesn't mean anything

[prisma tartan]

tbf we hot free hohe and then dkey

[shrewd socket]

free in event not in login box

and it's HoTr

she's mostly tied to trio

[prisma tartan]

mei dkey

https://tenor.com/view/reisen-udongein-inaba-touhou-2hu-gif-22596285

[plucky glen]

Dkey makes her universal trust

[plucky glen]

[shrewd socket]

HoO was given for free in her release

and her stuff is literally tied to HoFi

[prisma tartan]

oh yeah she did

[glass nacelle]

【【测试服v2】学会合轴我希已经无敌辣，希爱薇寂灭统御月轮895+（565扰动）-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/jEMYDYr

Tf sinful boss

[gleaming imp]

I would like a hotruth dkey, she needs the buff so she can pull her own weight on trio

In terms of dmg at least

[short knoll]

wdym, she is the support, no need for support to pull their weight, they are carrying the dps

most likely that hotr dkey wont help trio one bit, it make her a dps or support other team instead

[glass nacelle]

I think her dkey’s gonna get nerfed — if she's lucky, it’s just dmg cut, but worst case they change resonance mechanic like Teri/Sparke/Sena

[short knoll]

she will be forgotten after 1 patch anyway

[glass nacelle]

Ez skip

[rain isle]

Imagine skipping Seewe related stuff

[mossy escarp]

Ezskip

[glass nacelle]

8.3 everyone can use vill v signet
8.4 everyone can use kalpas signet
8.5 everyone can use mobius signet

[willow pumice]

HI3 v8.5 Translation v3

• Patch Note
• Hi Love Elf
• Ely Gear
• HoRB DLC
• Elysian Realm

[willow pumice]

its something

[short knoll]

seem like they have too much free time for random buff

[rancid plank]

The weapon active’s DMG, CD and SP cost are based on wielder type. If wielder has Symbiosis tag, Ice DMG +30%. Hi Love Elf equip bonus:
I love p2 and its laser specific buffs. "here have a weapon that gives buffs for a criterion that exactly one battlesuit fits, and then for good measure some more buffs that call out that battlesuit by name"

not even usable for HoHE because she doesnt have symbiosis without her own weapon

it's not like this is a new change but seriously

[glass nacelle]

90 points

[willow pumice]

[glass nacelle]

it makes sense bcs it copies thelema skill

[willow pumice]

oh ok now i understand

[gusty thistle]

Holy shit

Horb dkey???

Abhhhhhj

[ember locust]

lmfao

WAIT

New Ely can use Morb WHA

[ember locust]

Is that an almost guarateed Freeze

[muted mauve]

bald

[glass nacelle]

chibi is summon entity

[main goblet]

tbf this isn't exactly a part 2 only thing but yeah considering how cheap it is to get compared to part 1, its the main trade off because hoyo doesn't want you to use it on others and besides even the gear itself have a lot of ring specific stuff anyways so its not like part 1 valks would have utilitied it
and i know you only talked about the weapon here but the stigmatas are a solid example, imagine having multiple goated full set craftable gear that you can use on others

[main goblet]

where she going

[plucky cradle]

offscreen

[main goblet]

oh btw i want to use this image to ask a question
is the heart icon made for specific bosses or is it an effect from having hle on the team? (like how ps as the leader changes the design of the hitcount tracker)

[glass nacelle]

hle is in the team

it's her kit

both dps and sup

[main goblet]

ohh i see ✍️

[abstract night]

So Ely³ can or cant replace thelema for HoH? D:

[nova osprey]

U use ely ely thel now

[glass nacelle]

real

[plucky cradle]

ely ely ely

[prisma tartan]

[glass nacelle]

elybad elyterrible elynotgood

[plucky cradle]

kurowhel kurowheler kurowhelest

[glass nacelle]

[terse tinsel]

Mobius Dkey soon
I can feel it

[prisma tartan]

what is bro smoking

[nova osprey]

Vita exist, it wont happend

[terse tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-hornet-hollow-knight-gif-16271655200476705080

[plucky cradle]

so does powercreep

[abstract night]

But but can u cope with HoH Vita/Sena Ely³?

[slim lion]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-animation-what-if-season-3-title-screen-disney-disney-plus-multiverse-gif-7305277151351952399

https://tenor.com/view/it-wont-mikey-day-saturday-night-live-not-going-to-work-it-will-not-gif-25237223

[terse tinsel]

[abstract night]

Breaking news:
White Comet Divine Key comes out in version 12.7 to appeal to people who miss the "good ol' days"

Of Honkai Impact 3(rd)

[nova osprey]

Prob works fine just not bis

[abstract night]

If u need shieldbreak u can just put MEI or Paga M on vita right?

[nova osprey]

Cooked

[abstract night]

(Just kasumi i think lol)

[main goblet]

requirements to make the team work:
CI divine key
VC divine key
new himeko aop
your life savings

[ember locust]

WTF 8.5 is chibi version ?

[ember locust]

OwO

[plucky cradle]

8.5 ER buff provides chibi flamechasers to fight alongside with you

[glass nacelle]

It counts as summoned entity

[plucky cradle]

ye that too

[main goblet]

can i let them do the work while im afk

[plucky cradle]

they appear every 8 seconds

[abstract night]

If u use Sci

[main goblet]

don't have

[abstract night]

Then
Not really

[main goblet]

fine 😔 at least next patch ill ser the cute chibis

[ember locust]

OMFG CUTENESS OVERLOAD

[glass nacelle]

we're back 6w patch soon
||don't trust beta date, just wait live server||

[shrewd socket]

that's it, time to quit

[glass nacelle]

8.4 live server

[frigid fern]

What are the new Ely's best teams?

Both as the DPS and as a support

[muted mauve]

remember that in last beta one patch had 2 extra weeks.
6 + 2 = 8.

[smoky lintel]

I wouldn't bet on any BiS team in V2 Beta wait for at least v3

V3 is often when things start to solidify

[small wing]

So does new Ely break SD points early like songque does?

[smoky lintel]

Iirc yeah

[shrewd socket]

as dps probably FDD + PS/FWS/Flawless/HoRb dkey/RS

[glass nacelle]

as ice dps, she is not good now
as sd dps, she's fine

[mossy escarp]

Elybad real

[frigid fern]

Currently, is FDD necessary for her? Like how much of a downgrade is it without FDD?

[abstract night]

Oh
Ely³ isnt a good ice dps?

Whys ice underwhelming

[glass nacelle]

v3 buff trust

[abstract night]

I mean i hope so

[glass nacelle]

in fact no one uses 1st team

[abstract night]

Wheres teri support? :(

[shrewd socket]

i assume double Kiana is held by cds?

i at least had that issue when playing Sena

[glass nacelle]

hfi doesn't have shadow tag so she can't get initial ari from sera
and her drain is terrible

[shrewd socket]

i meant in general

[abstract night]

Wait
HoFi is bad? :D

[glass nacelle]

and her drain is terrible

[abstract night]

HoFi is not good for ws anymore?

Or atleast horb

[shrewd socket]

u guys use hofi combo?

[abstract night]

Wait can HoRb jump

[glass nacelle]

good for teri

[abstract night]

Wah

[abstract night]

So whats HoRbs best team?

[mild owl]

i was coping for songque buffs 🥀

[abstract night]

Wait whats the point of dudu

Cuz dudu supports pt1 phys

Since HoRb got a dkey
Probably wont see starless sk anymore

So it just leaves Brick and Hare..

Dudu is comparable to brick on fish right? (Maybe better atp) and Hare is Hare...

[glass nacelle]

if u don't use combo she can't fill ari (without rank)
need 3 drains

[steep axle]

why the hell is cora everywhere on 1st picture

even if corabad isnt in suskiphang is there

[abstract night]

Breach

[steep axle]

that isnt a reason

🙄

[abstract night]

It isnt?

And sushang is fast iirc

[steep axle]

its not worth seeing cora on my screen just for breach

[abstract night]

Breach is good tho

[steep axle]

if she gave like %500 smg bonus or smth i would consider
but no i dont ever want to see her on the pixels of my phone

[abstract night]

Its 90% of the time BiS

[mild owl]

play with monitor off

[steep axle]

its phone

[abstract night]

Close ur eyes

[mild owl]

dont look at ur phone

[steep axle]

is next opinion delete game or smth

[mild owl]

i mean not being able to see the screen is probably less of a disadvantage than not having breach

[atomic coral]

you're gonna see cora in almost every team until next ring

[steep axle]

guess im not GoI ing anymore

LoA my dearest

[abstract night]

She also extends durations of status conditions

[atomic coral]

she's good in LoA too though

[abstract night]

WoD my dearest

/j ofc sorry-

[steep axle]

i need to make more of that emote its not enough

[steep axle]

i run ely vita dudu 😭 WoD might be my worst

[clear vigil]

[steep axle]

WS would be decent IF I HAD A DPS OF IT

[abstract night]

Horb

[steep axle]

time

[mild owl]

not any worse than average coralieless team

[abstract night]

For me its
WS: All
WoD: 1.
LoA: 1.
RoO: 1 but 0
GoI: 1.

[steep axle]

oh god 🙄 became my most used 3rd

i used to like RoO

[abstract night]

😔

Then just use old vita team

Problem solved

[atomic coral]

but then everything changed when the cora nation attacked

[steep axle]

im doing that

[abstract night]

I cant

Use vita

I hope senas a good ws support

For HoRb

[steep axle]

oh um my cat just ran to the rug

even she doesnt like coras mention

maybe i should feed the cat acutally

[mild owl]

shes scared of dogs

[steep axle]

is S cora even a dog

[mild owl]

no 🥀

[abstract night]

Dragon

I think

[steep axle]

i should make a bella yes cora no picture would be funny

[mild owl]

dog dragon would have gone so hard

[final locust]

for me its
WS: 3
WoD: all
LoA: 2
RoO: all
GoI: all

[lone grove]

gosh the sounds are so pretty

[steep axle]

i lost my what is it called

[final locust]

this skin is very purty

[steep axle]

i lost my M pencil

wait no

whatever huawei pen is called

[final locust]

stylus?

[steep axle]

thing

[final locust]

so is hle/lp hrb's best team

[frigid fern]

I wish her skin was the spending event one 😔

[final locust]

wayyy too detailed for that lol

[frigid fern]

Ik but I cannot afford to drop 9.6k crystals

😔

[final locust]

yeah, most can't/won't be able to. skins have always been for whales unfortunately

[frigid fern]

It's just such a pretty skin, I wish I had the crystals to do so

[final locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKAAdGBc918 @zinc gorge look she literally does ~2m with detonations

[lone grove]

tru cuz i wont be able to get it ugh

[final locust]

u can always 💳

[frigid fern]

Maybe if Ely is super nice to me and I get her and her weapon in 2 pulls

[final locust]

eventually it'll go on discount for 7.5k(?) as well

[final locust]

you'd want to/have to get hrb dk as well

[ember locust]

Whaat tf

They're unstable

[final locust]

YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!

miss 6w patch

[abstract night]

Spoiler:

[final locust]

but once they introduce 6w patch again they have to also give skippable valks again

[mild owl]

all i got from this video is that ely is so pretty

[final locust]

her animations are astounding

breaking the 4th wall is insane

[abstract night]

I like HoRb animations

[final locust]

i like them too but they're not really different at all

[abstract night]

I like HoRbs ult animation*

[frigid fern]

HoRb already had pretty animations

[abstract night]

Yeah

[final locust]

it's cute but it's just a littleeee stiff at the end

[ember locust]

It would be weird to be back at 6 weeks when we got like 2 to 3 additional weeks per patch since 8.1

[abstract night]

But i got her outfit >:D

I have no regrets getting Horb in 7.4 and skipping literally the entire WoD era, and HoFi

[final locust]

im a little sadge she's not having stamps or card available at all in 8.5

[abstract night]

HoRb?

[ember locust]

HOLY SHIT Memories on the frags

[abstract night]

She already got that didnt she

[final locust]

yeah but it was in like 8.1

[abstract night]

So?

Have psychic abilities

[final locust]

so she hasn't had them available recently and i want to SS mine

[abstract night]

And the power to see in the future

[ember locust]

Lmfao I got HoRb too in spending, no regrets XD, I somehow knew it was coming one day

[abstract night]

I pulled HoRb

[muted mauve]

?

[abstract night]

?

[final locust]

i pulled horb in 7.1

4/4

never really used her at all lmao but still don't regret it even in the slightest

[abstract night]

7.4 and HoRbs outfit

I got brick in 7.2

[muted mauve]

oh it's tomorrow

But then why were the posts on the 7th last year

[final locust]

what u talking about carvp1ho

[muted mauve]

Kira's bday

[final locust]

kirarararara

[ember locust]

So basically the best pick here is literally Thelema

[final locust]

well yeah ofc

[abstract night]

Wepless thelema hits hard

[ember locust]

Man the spending seems kinda...

Normal ?

[final locust]

im getting 4* kia

[abstract night]

Same!

[final locust]

thele is in BP so i dont need to stress about not getting S2

[ember locust]

I already have Chenxue so no Kiaelf for me, just Thelema stamps

[final locust]

but SS thele would be really cool

[lone grove]

yess there kiamei and himeko

[abstract night]

I get 4* kiana for the price of 24 spending tokens

[final locust]

or wait can't you buy both the stamps and card in BP? i can get SS anyway

you can buy the 5 stamps and then get 5 stamps if u buy the card when u already own the valk right

[ember locust]

You could but you need time

[final locust]

nah

[ember locust]

Hold on

[abstract night]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-grandma-lets-get-you-to-bed-yes-grandma-gif-6683134261581381982

[final locust]

i'd whel

[abstract night]

I want thelema :(

[ember locust]

You need 52 crystallums for both stamps and card, 2 patches it is

[abstract night]

Or both card and wep

[glass nacelle]

Bye sena
https://b23.tv/43oonHB

[ember locust]

Finally Sena powercrept ?

Is that the end of torture ?

[glass nacelle]

V3 nerf trust

https://b23.tv/56Y9jQ4

Sena score

[zinc gorge]

they def fixed it

it looks fine now yes

but in this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZZHr9euFbw (6:47 onwards) u can literally see her marks dealing absolutely shit dmg

[glass nacelle]

Look like bug or he doesn't unlock skill

[ember locust]

💀 900 ?

[zinc gorge]

thats from the affix

im talking about the 229k

[ember locust]

https://tenor.com/view/shigure-kira-sugary-starburst-honkai-impact-3rd-hi3rd-art-gif-11050128784021071394

[zinc gorge]

which is certainly a lot more than 900 for sure

but for standard mark dmg tho

[ember locust]

Oh yeah, I jusr saw the thumb

Didn't watch the vid yet

[lone grove]

as i undertood 1st one says cuteness and 2nd one says super cute

martian languge aint that hard

[glass nacelle]

[lone grove]

[glass nacelle]

oh she can't convert crit now

thats why her weap gives 50% crit rate

[lone grove]

omggg i got the artbook /j

[naive briar]

get bonked for modding

[lone grove]

😭

[glass nacelle]

[final locust]

[lone grove]

lol

shes tired today i guess

[ember locust]

Smuggy smuggy gurl

[old zinc]

Wao I still can't believe new Ely is real

New Eden next?

[final locust]

whose vid/stream is this

[lone grove]

imagine theyre going to re release all flamechasers thru event lol

[lone grove]

me plyaing beta rn

[old zinc]

Would be crazy ngl

[final locust]

how do u have beta

[old zinc]

Ely is gacha I assume btw right

[lone grove]

i got invited

[final locust]

yes

[final locust]

[old zinc]

When was the last tine there was an AL valk actually lmao

[final locust]

6.9

[old zinc]

Wao still only Sirin?

[final locust]

yurp

[old zinc]

Rip lol

[lone grove]

i mean yeah

no more SP / A / AL valks

[final locust]

remember when we thought sparkle would be an AL valk

good times
🙂
please hoyo

[lone grove]

lol

[glass nacelle]

when we farm to sss then she is useless

[final locust]

all i want

is skippable patch
please hoyo
make another RS

[glass nacelle]

💳

[old zinc]

Never

[vale granite]

If they make another RS they'll make sure that you actually don't know that she's skippable

Just like RS

[final locust]

dudulolibait was always skippable to me

[lone grove]

i rlly don't get why they gave her WOD tag instead of LOA

loa would've been more usefull ngl

[gleaming imp]

So far there was lamp and cora2

[steep axle]

i belive we have enough LoA

[gleaming imp]

And RS

If you had trio

[final locust]

FDD is not skippable

[steep axle]

i got rs from discount 10

[gleaming imp]

Yes she is just trio it

[steep axle]

do i have any more emotes

[gleaming imp]

Trio does well on cora2 shill

[steep axle]

i have like S0 S2 S0 trio lowkey

im not cooking

[lone grove]

welll yes true but still

i think i know why, its for the ely fans so they can run double ely team

[steep axle]

WoD

and rime trauma too ig

[gleaming imp]

My trio is SSS hofin, SS HoO, S0 hotruth and s rank chenxue and ss teriteri aop

[steep axle]

whats yp with that sss

[gleaming imp]

I get s2 hotruth next patch and on 8.6 I get ss hotruth

[gleaming imp]

Adv and PWO and BP

[steep axle]

i have 5 pulls til guarantee chenxue 🤑

[gleaming imp]

[steep axle]

ms guarantee til 2 i am

[gleaming imp]

I'm at like 35k crystals atm, saving up for horb dkey, 50 pulls on vita ascension, then paws ascension then Ely ascension

[steep axle]

ill uh

get horb then be broke to reach pity for ely

then somehow reach weapon pity in like last 2 days

[gleaming imp]

Though If I get Ely from free multi then I'll get weapon so I can use her

Maybe depends how I feel

[final locust]

carv typing up a storm

[muted mauve]

Are you refering to the 2nd and 3rd image?

If so I believe it's:
qi2yu4 | cong2ci3kai1shi3
奇遇 | 从此开始
shen2ming2wan2le4 | dou1shuo1hao3
神明玩乐 | 都说好

[final locust]

wat the fak

[lone grove]

oh....

so that was wrong 🤔

yea i meant 2nd and 3rd image

[ember locust]

WoD desesperatly needed a buff, LoA litterally DOESN'T

[ember locust]

Except Cora2 is not skippable

[gleaming imp]

Thankfully cora2 shill is trio friendly and free real estate

[ember locust]

I mean that and she has breach, she's replacing Bita

[gleaming imp]

Just trio it

[gleaming imp]

WS being revived which means my queen vita is back on top

Which means vita and cora2 and stellar keys all you need to cover all rings

Cheapest and most affordable two support valks

[final locust]

drya please

[atomic coral]

cora shill isn't just dps, it's support too

[ember locust]

Funny but no, bc Vita doesn't cover GoI and Coralie doesn't cover WoD and WS

[final locust]

she's BiS for ely

[gleaming imp]

They cover each other's lacking ring

[ember locust]

Also Coralie is DPS and mandatory BIS for Ely

[ember locust]

They don't

[gleaming imp]

Exactly I'm glad we're on the same page

[ember locust]

RoO only serves to trigger lead's other AR

That's all, outside of RoO being leader

[gleaming imp]

Exactly whatever ring they lack support in the other can do

[ember locust]

They cannot blud, you're confusing support and enabling.

RoO's specialization is to trigger anyone's lead in P2, which is not support at all, even less if a RoO that is there DOESN'T cover an AR.

For example, why would you bring Vita if the lead is PAWS or Ely ?

[gleaming imp]

Erm um actually you misunderstood my point, my point was whatever the other was lacking in the other fills, example cora2 can't do WoD but vita can, vita can't do GoI but Cora2 can

[ember locust]

What is considered support is when a skill or an attack is used to buff allies', which is not the case of RoO specialization

[ember locust]

Sure but that doesn't mean it can support all, you won't benefit from Vita's breach if Ely³ or PAWS is lead and you won't benefit from Cora's breach if your lead is Thelema or Sena for example

[gleaming imp]

That's what the Stellar keys are for for second Valk

[ember locust]

Absolutely not, bc once again it depends on the skills, weap passive and stigma passives

[gleaming imp]

Need someone for WoD = vita hoh, need someone for WS vita horb/hofin, need someone for LoA vita/cora2/hoh, need someone for GoI cora2/hoh

[ember locust]

Sure but you ain't using both in the same team, unless your lead is RoO

[gleaming imp]

Exactly

[ember locust]

Then why such a point ?

[gleaming imp]

My point was getting vita cora2 and stellars keys covers all rings at a cheap price and fills 2/3 of team

[steep axle]

what the hell did i just read in last 30 messages

[ember locust]

Delulu Dry

💀💀💀

[steep axle]

i might be more delulu

[ember locust]

Surely you wouldn't

[steep axle]

yeah no i would

is there like more ely boss examples

normal ice weather and stuff with ely2

[gleaming imp]

If I'm delulu then it's solulu I think

[steep axle]

dryalulu

[gleaming imp]

I mean it's true getting cora2 and vita and Stellar keys cover all rings at a cheap and affordable price

[steep axle]

i would agree if i didnt have personal beef with cora

[gleaming imp]

The concept of getting vita and cora2 and all Stellar keys for a f2p friendly 2/3 team to support any first/lead valk

[lone grove]

they honestly need to do more WOD and WS valks

[glass nacelle]

There are very few videos on Epernay because Ely’s performance is terrible against this boss. I don’t know why they add ice weather. Badum also has - 50% fire dmg here https://b23.tv/oBeq2Sp

[glass nacelle]

Sell battlepass

[lone grove]

yeah i did like 723 idk how to do more its just so bad, tho she did 47856 in MA

my team in SD was HLE badum and dracora

[final locust]

can u do me a favor in beta

if u dont mind

[lone grove]

yea, but tell me what u need

tho i'll answer later cuz im cooking dinner rn

[final locust]

if u don't mind can u test SS HoHE vs S0 badum for HLE? core team being HLE + FDD
i wanna see if FWS has higher DPR

*on a type neutral enemy so FWS nor HoHE have a type advantage

take your time it's not urgent

[lone grove]

oh btw on my beta acc badum is ss and hohe is sss...

[final locust]

ah well

it's fine lmao
if you can still test that'd be great
iirc FWS ranks don't do much of anything for her support capabilities

[ember locust]

There was an ice weather but with an SD boss no ?

Plus it's only V2 so she could be buffed afterwards

[lone grove]

yeah so badum ranks doesnt matter much so its like this
Ely S0
Dracora (SS) + Ba-Dum! (SS): 78.1M
Dracora (SS) + HoHE (SSS): 78.8M
though remember that her first WA instantly removed 8% of the HP for each phase for SD boss
(dmg data from @pearl gale )

[final locust]

wow interesting

so hohe actually does do slightly more damage

[lone grove]

yes

[final locust]

i guess it's hohe for ice/ranged weather and fws for sd

[lone grove]

but, for sd bosses its still badum priority i guess

[final locust]

yeah that true dmg is kinda nasty lmao

[lone grove]

ugh man i spent 50 pulls on s2 thelema thinking im leaving the game then got kitty kiana outfit last night and now i have like 1k
my ely and horb pulls are screwed

[final locust]

35 free pulls

probably gonna need to bust out that 💳 tho

[pearl gale]

welp, all Ely weathers i could think of rn are SD so im guessing fws to be bis everywhere

[final locust]

she should have some ice weathers, right?

[pearl gale]

i mean

not rlly

[final locust]

no way she's too weak to overtake hohe

[pearl gale]

i can do quick test on ice tank if u want

but the type will prob make the difference

[final locust]

that'd be great, hohe/hle/mps vs hle/fdd/hohe

[pearl gale]

hm u think mps would be better than vita here?

welp, vita is SS anyway so unfair comparison

[final locust]

sena would be better than vita

but MPS is basically needed for hohe

im not sure if HLE is better than sena

[pearl gale]

i barely played her, she got so little abysses

[pearl gale]

id assume so, i didnt test for WoD yet tho
I can send all my tests if u wish

[final locust]

the thing about hohe is she actually has a lot of weathers they just never want to run them

[pearl gale]

Helium DPS

Dracora is always first slot, she's guaranteed BiS anyway, against PSY enemy, non SO + SO rot

Sushang (SS): 100.0M
Even more cringe Elysia (S): 98.7M
Rebirth (SS1+1): 66.3M
Ba-Dum! (SS): 73.5M

━━━━━━━━━━━━# Helium DPS
Dracora is always first slot, she's guaranteed BiS anyway, against PSY enemy, non SO + SO rot

Sushang (SS): 100.0M
Even more cringe Elysia (S): 98.7M
Rebirth (SS1+1): 66.3M
Ba-Dum! (SS): 73.5M

━━━━━━━━━━━━

Elysia DPS

SD enemy, 3 arrows outside SO + SO rot, im not 100% sure how shes played outside SO. Kinda sure I'm not playing her completely right but shouldnt affect the results here much

Dracora (SS) + Sushang (SS): 77.0M
Dracora (SS) + Ba-Dum! (SS): 78.1M
Dracora (SS) + HoHE (SSS): 78.8M
Dracora (SS) + Rebirth (SS): 71.4M
Ba-Dum! (SS) + HoHE (SSS): 65.5M

━━━━━━━━━━━━

Rebirth DPS

MECH enemy, 2 combos + wa outside SO + SO

Vita (SS) + Ba-Dum! (SS): 91.8M (but faster than Finality)
Vita (SS) + Finality (SSS): 96.6M
Vita (SS) + Elysia (S): 91.2M
Ba-Dum! (SS) + Elysia (S): 80.6M

i cant find tank...

[final locust]

bro im so sick of sushang

[pearl gale]

if ely is faster she might be BiS regardless, i didnt check

or theres also hellmaru, i think new ely will take over here

oh wait theres no ice tank lol
ill try on hellmaru and katsumi ig

[final locust]

alr

[pearl gale]

theres an ice benares???

ohhh i remember doing it with HoH/RC/HB back then

[final locust]

do not test on that shit

it is SO tanky i hope they never run it again

[pearl gale]

lmao

well that would give more reliable results tho wouldnt it....

[final locust]

if u want to test on that it's your call but the thing is so faking tanky

[pearl gale]

im doing hellmaru for now, if the results feel too close ill test it

ok back to this i got distracted lol

oh wait i can only test SSS HoHE

yeahhh....

[final locust]

it's fine really

ranks past SS1 don't really do all that much

[pearl gale]

alright

oh hold on ill need to wait for my Ely ER video to render cause its dragging down my fps like crazy

not sure whether i can do better but this would be HoH

[final locust]

hmmm

SS sera right?

[cinder cloak]

[pearl gale]

SSS

but its like
2 tries

[final locust]

alr yeah that looks accurate to SSS sera

[desert lily]

PS is better than FWS?

[final locust]

she's SS