🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[muted mauve]

3 more part 1 characters and 1 random collab before next part 2 valk, obviously.

[twin dune]

And watch the collab be smth like fly me to the moon

[naive briar]

arch door

[twin dune]

Can we get AR hua tho. It s been awhile since we ve last had a hua!

Let me dream. I love huas

[naive briar]

do you know what that meant tho

[twin dune]

Errr the line itself? Is it not some random thing she s saying?

Is it a question to fu hua?

[naive briar]

the devs made Sparkle and Vita call the part 2 storyline a circus
it's entertainment to be consumed, with no big importance
so people like carv and I think it is a terrible mischaracterization

[twin dune]

ohh it does make sense why carv is upset

I feel like forcing vita to the villain character is well forced. And sparkle could have had such a good build up

But i mostly hate vita now. All she does from what i know is go, cause trouble, make some fun, and portrait a villain. We already had villain vita in 1.5 enuf of that.

[naive briar]

that too, yes
the thing is Vita was being very true to her contract with Schicksal to save Kiana
and Vita true heartedky adored Dreamseeker because Dreamseeker resembles her past helpless abused childhood self
._. but because of collab funnies they meme that Vita and Sparkle call them circus

[muted mauve]

In 2 patches we went from Vita's birth paralleling Dreamseeker's and she being the one moving the plot forward to calling the whole thing a circus and Vita playing around, wasting time, when Mars was at risk of being destroyed (as far as they knew).

[naive briar]

so I stepped back from my expectations

[copper shale]

[muted mauve]

what's the abyss

EW APO

[feral epoch]

another dudu shill

[short knoll]

no more dudu next patch

[vale granite]

Unfortunately it's not Dudu DPS shill xdd

[feral epoch]

still dudu shill

[vale granite]

Yeah, ofc, I'm crying regardless when it hits GLB

[vagrant yew]

[glass nacelle]

v4 : when dudu isn't in the team, sus - 90% dmg

[naive briar]

why would they be so married

[vale granite]

To make you not skip valks that look skippable in the future 🗿

[naive briar]

cabbage pls stop milking thx

[short knoll]

just skip both, easy

[muted mauve]

main story teaser post when

[glass nacelle]

sushang need vita now kek

[copper shale]

goodbye dudu shill ig

[vagrant yew]

skipping feels dangerous now

[copper shale]

been like this since p2

[glass nacelle]

best boss in 2025 fr

[copper shale]

lol

[muted mauve]

we are finally nearing the next patch

[short knoll]

skipping feel the same, still nirvana bouncing

[plucky cradle]

cancerous weather

[vale granite]

In the past you could stay in Nirv in EU and NA apparently

[glass nacelle]

sleep

[vale granite]

Before P2 I mean

Not sure how true that is tho

[short knoll]

probably not 100%

i can retain nirvana like 60% of the time

[plucky cradle]

rl sea brainrot

[muted mauve]

christ you lose like 20 points per QTE

[copper shale]

yea

[vagrant yew]

yeah, skipped lantern and simp and i suffer a little on their bosses tho thankfully theyre not that present in abyss

[copper shale]

so sometimes the super qte dont even feel that much faster vs just not using it

well in some cases its slower too

[craggy sentinel]

what in the trauma

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

dudu l

[craggy sentinel]

midta

[copper shale]

tho now we wait for her to kill actual bleed boss

maybe straight up destroys lv and vq now

[short knoll]

new summon dps should come soon, already got other special dmg type related valk

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

dmg much lower owo

tho thats for sss+9 isnt it

[glass nacelle]

bleed dmg ofc

[copper shale]

yea

[shrewd socket]

so skip sus?

[copper shale]

no idea

also she does have ??? so yea

[short knoll]

depend on your crystal and 8.3

[vagrant yew]

[short knoll]

8.3 should be big spending event, but it could have new bleed dps that need sushang

[glass nacelle]

:clueless:

[copper shale]

surely its in the ring skill tab

did they remove it

[glass nacelle]

visual bug ig

[glass nacelle]

[muted mauve]

should be 8.4*

[copper shale]

loading interface?

[feral epoch]

main story

[muted mauve]

8.3 is may to july.
8.4 is july to september.

Spending event is usually on July patch.

[feral epoch]

thank you

[copper shale]

i see

[feral epoch]

yes

[glass nacelle]

only 3 ar skills

[copper shale]

its just 2 branch yea, loa and ???

[short knoll]

8.5 should be CN anni no? 8.3 then 8.5 make more sense, patch is longer now, big spending every 2 patches is possible

[copper shale]

李素裳作为队长时流血伤害提高37%，自身具有物理穿透时流血伤害额外提高10%调整为
李素裳作为队长时流血伤害提高37%，自身具有物理穿透时流血伤害额外提高15%，并且全伤害提高22%

ch：什么？你们觉得墨迹？那就强制你们带！

why do they want to shill vita
tldr, when self has breach, bleed dmg increases to 15% from 10% and gain 22% tdm (new)

[glass nacelle]

many dudu skipper

[copper shale]

true

[plucky cradle]

dududed lmao

[glass nacelle]

many people don't like her voice

[muted mauve]

ig. The current game planning is a mess so anything goes.

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

we have two valks that asking to shill vita (well breach but no other breach in loa ) now, with when self has breach gain x

or do we have 3 (if ely has it for wod) now

did ely have it i forgot

[plucky cradle]

bro forgor

[copper shale]

[glass nacelle]

her stig

[copper shale]

o i see

[feral epoch]

not proper rot, also ss lv with 23 atk ss eepy

[glass nacelle]

ded

[copper shale]

ded

i s2'd my lv from supply shop and idk what im gonna do with that

no regrets waifu ig

[feral epoch]

waiting for dk

[glass nacelle]

actually 4, songque

[copper shale]

truege

[plucky cradle]

isn't HoH's LoA just pure damage

[copper shale]

i meant when hoh in wod, she has this thing get more dmg if she has breach

[copper shale]

but yes

[glass nacelle]

her pure dmg in loa tank is big

but that's it

[copper shale]

remove weakpoint and no one cares

tho idk actually

[plucky cradle]

lmao having loa tag only useful for one boss

[glass nacelle]

bait

[copper shale]

ppl can cope the ???

[plucky cradle]

true

imejin 3 AR branch

[copper shale]

another vita

[glass nacelle]

always worst option kek

[copper shale]

eLy

[copper shale]

oh wow dudu new teammate

[plucky cradle]

elybad

[copper shale]

wat about s0+1 tho (man why do i care, i wont be able to afford her anyways

helia 8.3 trust

[glass nacelle]

tf the gap

[feral epoch]

songque sparkle ded?

[copper shale]

still prob depend on boss, like on kebin its still need spork

[glass nacelle]

just wait abyss ref

[copper shale]

yea

[glass nacelle]

pure dps check is not good now

[shrewd socket]

Sonic Generations (2011)

[copper shale]

u can void pvp with others

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

[copper shale]

虚空pvp (but idk if theres equivalent in english community lol

[strange crystal]

ely best for new ar

[plucky cradle]

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ANQ6YWEk6

[muted mauve]

what if new AR is based on duos?
Rice Cake, Krishna Board, Beast Of Origin, Bao

[glass nacelle]

[feral epoch]

alive

[glass nacelle]

bye crit rate

[copper shale]

oh nice

[plucky cradle]

playable apho mei for dual qte AR

[copper shale]

bleed op

[plucky cradle]

does sushang stack bleed

[copper shale]

how does dual qte work

[feral epoch]

oh, they updated sushang SO with a wink on her right eye

[feral epoch]

no

[plucky cradle]

ye she's not staring into our souls anymore

[copper shale]

oh thats nice

[copper shale]

she used to be rly mad

[glass nacelle]

wink now

[copper shale]

i still have issues with the hair
left eye is fine cuz its winking, right eye the way the hair covers the eye still makes her look mad to me

altho im prob just nitpicking atp

[plucky cradle]

cut her bangs

[copper shale]

i agree

or just change it

[feral epoch]

now she's bearable to play

[copper shale]

she looks so tiny

[feral epoch]

her height is the same as sena/kiana

[glass nacelle]

◆修正了第二部主线第一章「逝去时光的海洋」内敌人「罹尼-游渊浮鳗」的名称。
who

[copper shale]

who

swimming fish

[glass nacelle]

oh

[plucky cradle]

oh

[copper shale]

oh

wat was the old name

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

or did they not change name

[plucky cradle]

twas ||kurowhel||

[copper shale]

yes

[glass nacelle]

change to denwhel

[plucky cradle]

[naive briar]

they typoed disasters to some random male name before fix

[glass nacelle]

[strange crystal]

so something like...

Helia DPS with Dudu + Sushang (S-rank Schicksal Valkyries)
Leylah DPS with Kiana + Elysia (Goddesses team)

[copper shale]

wat

[verbal mountain]

omg sushang good now?

[copper shale]

she all bleed so das alr promising

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

holy big number bleed

[muted mauve]

[plucky cradle]

wtf

[copper shale]

its actually crit dmg but they just decide to call it bleed

100% crit

[verbal mountain]

so nice

don't even need teri now for the crit

[copper shale]

truege

[strange crystal]

that's bleed?!

[plucky cradle]

she also gets double special qte with teriop right

[plucky cradle]

yea that's bleed dmg

[copper shale]

thats not gonna change cuz of she being bleed but yea

she gets double if lead

[plucky cradle]

no yea I'm only asking cuz I watched none of her showcases

[copper shale]

yea

[plucky cradle]

when are we getting more exclusive SO activate animation

[glass nacelle]

they removed transition phase in new alien guard

[plucky cradle]

lmao what

[glass nacelle]

[plucky cradle]

new weather or literal fix

[copper shale]

extra tanky now ig

wait new alien guard

[copper shale]

did the new alien guard have the phase where u let the guard smash rock for free sd poop, or am i thinking of older ones

[glass nacelle]

ss form
and they removed it now

[strange crystal]

sd poop

[copper shale]

ah i see

[plucky cradle]

badum's poop gathering is too stromk

[copper shale]

sd poop is alr putting it nicely, nmormally cn ppl justr sraight up call it poop

[copper shale]

yes

[plucky cradle]

is it a word play or do they just hate it

[copper shale]

they hate it, at least the circles im familiar with

[plucky cradle]

[copper shale]

als oti does kinda look like poop

so

[vale granite]

SD is an absolute ass to bruteforce without an SD valk, hence the hate

[plucky cradle]

alien poop

[vale granite]

It's both RNG and terrible

[plucky cradle]

absolute TF at its maximum potential

[copper shale]

exactly

[vale granite]

[copper shale]

and they kinda nerfed it cuz now it can disappear

during ATF

[plucky cradle]

eh really

[copper shale]

yea

[vale granite]

Wait what

[copper shale]

u have to pick up fast

[vale granite]

No fucking way

[plucky cradle]

I tried hofi in ER earlier and the poop was still on the floor

[copper shale]

they did, at least in the abyss i saw

[vale granite]

The same type of stand huh

[plucky cradle]

naur

give me back my poop

[copper shale]

fr

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

betrayal

not 100% bleed

[plucky cradle]

nono clock is bleeding golden blood

[strange crystal]

is that from sus or from her chicken

[copper shale]

ah mai gad, elden ring

[feral epoch]

every cny

sena x songque
kiana x teri

[copper shale]

true true

[glass nacelle]

what's pose idr

[plucky cradle]

I meant something like Songque's SO activation

[feral epoch]

maybe every july valk

[plucky cradle]

but ig special qte is alrd a form of that

[muted mauve]

when this arc finally ends

[plucky cradle]

(badum's doesn't stop timer tho)

which sucks

[feral epoch]

so is other LoA valks

[plucky cradle]

the heck Sushang doesn't either?

[feral epoch]

there's no stop timer during qte

dudu also doesn't

[plucky cradle]

the animation is so long tho

comparing to badum's

[feral epoch]

stop timer only after the qte for badum

and very short

[copper shale]

u get like a fake time fracture during in MA, but thats ma only, abyss super qte animation loses quite some points yea

[plucky cradle]

[feral epoch]

unlike thelema

[feral epoch]

to me is the same as dudu

[copper shale]

cant see timer and know time is not stopped
= anxiety

[muted mauve]

didn't sus only lose like 6 points?

Iirc Kiana is ~12

[plucky cradle]

idk I never watched any sus showcase

[plucky cradle]

yea

[copper shale]

not bad yea

[feral epoch]

remove vita thx

[copper shale]

thx

give more valks with breach support

ez

[plucky cradle]

vitabad

[glass nacelle]

critical point is weird

[copper shale]

so ud ont need jds clearly

they put it here and ur fucked without jds

[verbal mountain]

what was the best s0 dudu team on phys otto?

[glass nacelle]

badum sparkle

[verbal mountain]

[glass nacelle]

but it also depends on the disturbance

[willow pumice]

why

just make it bleed dmg

[copper shale]

so how much of her is bleed

i thought it was 100% bleed earlier

[verbal mountain]

this is the most convoluted way to make a hybrid character

why are they gatekeeping full bleed so much

she's not gonna break the game by having full bleed dmg lmao

[feral epoch]

vita is breaking the game

[shrewd socket]

by making it unplayable

[short knoll]

probably because they originally want her to support next bleed dps, not a full bleed dps so you will want to pull both

[feral epoch]

is her support even good

[strange crystal]

is sushang an unplanned valk lmao. they don't really know what to do with her. i wont be surprised if there will be a lot of changes again by v4

[deft axle]

Wait why shushu looks so weird

[short knoll]

good chance for next bleed dps to be new ring, could be important

[shrewd socket]

maybe they just wanted to keep the 2 event valk streak?

[muted mauve]

with how unfinished her dev video was, maybe?

or at least maybe she was meant to be later on but was pushed forward for reasons

[short knoll]

maybe they dont have enough employee anymore

that's why the longer patch

[feral epoch]

this husk very paper for sushang

[shrewd socket]

is that score low?

[strange crystal]

they could just make sushang a direct replacement for both senti and susannah which are reasonably old valks. but they're holding back a lot.

[feral epoch]

she already is both replacement

[muted mauve]

Like Sushang Dev video had weird lines and spots appearing on the model through the whole animated video portion.

Meanwhile in her gameplay animations at one point her skirt literally flew off her model.

[short knoll]

imo, they just dont want her bleed dmg to be so good that can overshadow next bleed dps

[restive rose]

sounds like devs are having issues

[copper shale]

they release another bleed dps will be crazy

[short knoll]

tho i dont have any issue with her not being 100% bleed dmg

[short knoll]

luna dk real

[copper shale]

truege

[shrewd socket]

wasnt 7.0-7.1 bleed back to back?

[copper shale]

mainly is just that she kinda weak if she is kept mixed, in v2, a lot of ppl were estimating that while she would perform okay on the patches she is initially released on, if the d increases by like 10~20, it becomes very ugly
part of the problem of being mixed is that she never fully eats the weather buffs, for example bleed buffs that buffs bleed dmg, she wont be able to eat those buffs fully because she was never fully bleed in the first place

[strange crystal]

luna and then bigseo

[copper shale]

only benefit of mixed is er so u can eat more weather buffs

[short knoll]

not like it has to have any benefit

[strange crystal]

they could just make her op support for future ar valk y'know for "balance" lmao. i still remember feeling fomo from being spork-less for 2 consecutive patches. they should do that too for sushang.

[short knoll]

the real benefit is for the company, you will want to pull more

[abstract night]

I feel like id rather sushang be a physical dps, but she can apply bleed
But its not the main focus... like dudus stun trauma

[feral epoch]

like tp

[abstract night]

So like v2 but not split like an idiot

[short knoll]

she is still a phys dps no? more bleed dmg is a good bonus

[abstract night]

Wasnt it split or am i stupid

[abstract night]

Shes just vq (but bio and pt2) now right?

[short knoll]

doesnt make them not a phys dps?

[copper shale]

i still dont like them "forcing" you to bring vita, must be vita simps in the dev team

[abstract night]

I like that

Embrace vita usage

[feral epoch]

i don't

where "flexible" teamcomps advertisement

[copper shale]

they promised flexibility in p2 team building fyi

[abstract night]

Tbf

Vita is breach

[fervent hinge]

there is flexibility

theres way more team comp options in pt2

there's what, 15 different possible team comps for new sus?

[feral epoch]

[abstract night]

RL u can usually cope well not be like
-400 points cuz blah blah blah

[copper shale]

breach alone wouldn't be more impactful, its that the valks had skills that incentives you to bring vita in

[muted mauve]

chill with the jumpscares

[fervent hinge]

name one p1 valk that has 15 possible teams without half of them being total bullshit

[naive briar]

did you not watch dev stream, a dev already confessed day and night their mind has but Vita

[abstract night]

Physical valk

[muted mauve]

AE

[abstract night]

[abstract night]

Htr to add on

[willow pumice]

[fervent hinge]

ok true

AE dps was a thing true and real

[short knoll]

most of her team is still bs no? like you just use her with old elemental dps?

[abstract night]

Shush :(

[copper shale]

possible team comps become quite meaningless when there exists only one best option for x environment tho, if valks could be substituted and be the same imo then theres some flexibility

[fervent hinge]

I guess my point still stands that p2 is indeed more flexible

[naive briar]

and Night Squire is still a dps

[willow pumice]

Lowered the f2p entry floor, raised the whale and comp ceiling by tenfold

[short knoll]

the team is still very flexible no? vita being one bis doesnt mean the team isnt flexible

[muted mauve]

260 days since last P2 valk

[copper shale]

yea but i was more so thinking of spork and dudu, but for other loa it has been more lenient and closer

[fervent hinge]

but there isn't a humongous gap between the best team comp and the 'copium' options unlike p1 'no htr? all ur fire and lightning is unusable, unless u have LV she became her own htr'

[copper shale]

well basically u cant play in kebin cycles with no spork so

[fervent hinge]

sure you can

in redlotus

[copper shale]

[naive briar]

just need to know bianka or sushang
I am very implusive on pulling Sushang but she should not be playable now

[feral epoch]

sushang

[glass nacelle]

su

[feral epoch]

doesn't need dudu now

[copper shale]

also bianka not needed for sushang support v3 but wait for v4

[willow pumice]

v8.2 Sushang Translation V3

• Full Patch Note MI , Rentry
• Casual Stroll Skill: MI , Rentry
• Casual Stroll Gear: MI , Rentry

[feral epoch]

bleed is lyfe

[naive briar]

idk I think I suffered a bit last or the bracket before with no bianka

[abstract night]

Omg I CAN PLAY KEVIN

[naive briar]

and she cute

[abstract night]

I HAVE
BADUM VITA HOH

BSUDDJSJ YESSSSS

[feral epoch]

for now and the past

[abstract night]

Ty Astral Ring

[feral epoch]

i also don't get it, why they push dudu shill from 8.0-8.1

[abstract night]

Or marisa

[naive briar]

[copper shale]

8.0 was spork shill clearly

[glass nacelle]

is it big

[feral epoch]

can't see it

[copper shale]

oh yea how strong is 500% shield break

on that super qte

either way ig its there so its another reason to not have dudu in

went from dudu must have to dudu bad

dudu ded fr

[feral epoch]

oh, only 1 hit

[sinful crown]

[feral epoch]

first hit of SO

and only work if shielded

[grim notch]

Crit?

She is not fully bleed?

[feral epoch]

only this part is phys crit

everything else pure bleed dmg

[grim notch]

Oh so only QTE Phy

[feral epoch]

and needed shielded to be crit

[grim notch]

So no shield or broken shield is direct bleed dmg, good.

[vagrant yew]

[strange crystal]

good. cause i dont have her

Why only leader. Why not all teammates

[stable pewter]

Dudu + sushang = what’s a shield

[willow pumice]

this might be good for hitcount shield
on the other hand, if it's for hitcount, why does it have shieldbreak and crit

[glass nacelle]

kek

[novel elbow]

noobs

[small wing]

So

How's shoosh now

[unique swallow]

I have not opened cn beta

[ember locust]

So guys... How is Sushang ?

[hard meadow]

fat boss

[vagrant yew]

[verbal mountain]

she's better at bleed stuff

needs dudu less I think

wants vita more (not sure if she's actually her bis or not)

[ember locust]

Would be awesome if that's the case

Who would be her 2nd ?

[verbal mountain]

dudu's still prob bis, sus just got some innate shieldbreak

[ember locust]

Crap

I have no Dudu

[vagrant yew]

Nice, can still use my dudu

[ember locust]

Welp

Susannah powercreep I guess

Just as planned

[shrewd socket]

🫂

[small wing]

So shoosh is good?

[verbal mountain]

yea she's good

[spice summit]

Skip or pull

[vale granite]

We need to know about 8.3 for that lah

[spice summit]

Damn

[vale granite]

Also I haven't heard peeps talking about how good she is as a support for LoA

So I assume she's mid

[spice summit]

Saw some teams with her as support earlier

Numbers looks mid

Idk what the standard is tbh

Lol

[hard meadow]

sparkle is the standard

[verbal mountain]

there was a dmg sheet in the channel a bit ago, sus had the highest total dmg rot

for dudu^

idk if that was post v3 or not

and idk if v3 really nerfed her supp that much

ok here it is

[muted mauve]

Sparkle not at the top

[hard meadow]

jds at the top

[olive kite]

full loa team finally

[strange crystal]

Do you have one for Badum DPS?

[verbal mountain]

nope, i took this from someone else who posted it

[gleaming imp]

Ely on top

[strange crystal]

Anyway, Ely being mid support in both WoD and LoA. Maybe she'll be super op support for future AR

[smoky lintel]

3 new tanks added in 8.3

[rustic stump]

Off topic a bit, but how many AR tags can a valk have so far? Vita has the most due to being RoO, but thr other 2 RoO are Coralie and HoFi, and they only have 2

[strange crystal]

The normal is 2.

[rustic stump]

Some have 3

[hard meadow]

normal seems to be however many rings exist at the release of the valk

badum has 3

[strange crystal]

Sena to Teri only got 2 ARs each iirc, that's 5 consecutive patches

Sparkle only got 2. And then now Sushang, 2 again

[rustic stump]

Because there were only 3 rings out at the time

[strange crystal]

Those who got more than 2 seems special...

[hard meadow]

sena to teri we only had 2 rings bruh

how could they get more

[strange crystal]

Sparkle is 2. Sushang is 2. That's why I said 2 is normal... That's total of 7 out of 10 patches.

[smoky lintel]

technically a valk can have up to 5 icluding ??? but the average seems to have a connection with currently available AR types

[rustic stump]

So it’s possible for a HoRb dk or even Leylah to have up to 5?

[smoky lintel]

if they are RoO or they are the first valk to have omniscient star without being RoO

yes

[rustic stump]

I think both will end up being RoO so they last a bit longer, especially Leylah

And to give Vita more support, more so with Leylah, than HoRb dk

[smoky lintel]

till leylah release we might even have another AR type so who knows what actually is the maximum at that point

[rustic stump]

Probably so, but I doubt Hoyo would add too many tags to a valk. It’ll make them overkill and they’ll have to be nerfed hard

[shrewd socket]

by that logic everything is skip

bc it'll always be "wait for next patch"

[rotund ravine]

so how good is sushang?

[gleaming imp]

Sushang bait easy skip just a bleed dps? Would rather brute force content with vita hofin SI on 3pc tsio instead

[abstract night]

...im 99.9% sure sushang would do better.

[gleaming imp]

That is true but brute forcing

[abstract night]

SI is terrible.

[atomic coral]

brute forcing psy bosses with mech and a crippled vita

[gleaming imp]

I don't like CE bleed application

[abstract night]

Pull sushang run sushang vita badum/hoh

[gleaming imp]

Idc for sushang though

[atomic coral]

but the nostalgia

[abstract night]

[gleaming imp]

Real but not strong enough nostalgia for me to pull, I'd rather pull eepy teri leap than a s0 sushang since I feel more nostalgia for eepy teri than sushang

[abstract night]

SS teri

Does nothing worth backpulling for

[atomic coral]

also why si? where luna

[gleaming imp]

I don't have luna

And it's very likely her adv won't even rerun

Even then too expensive to afford a adv on top of 4/4 even with the 15 refund

[atomic coral]

and I'm guessing susannah isn't built either?

[gleaming imp]

My vq is only ss and 0/4 no good bleed stigmata for support or dps available to me except like T ovt and cez B I do have the option of crafting Holmes M since I have Holmes B though for weapon I only have aponia sirin Pardo weapons

I do also have the option of picking up like one Aladin stigmata from BP since I don't these current BP orbs will be useful post this patch I thini

I need to check how much I have atm

I’m at 18 atm and by the time this Bp is max leveled I’ll be at 20

[scarlet sapphire]

Did you really skip Luna's adv? Oh wow.

[gleaming imp]

Unfortunately future planning said if I did get Luna adv + 4/4 even 2/4 I wouldn’t be able to secure SSS vita

[atomic coral]

vita won't help much against sushang shill, vita would be type countered

and crippled cuz no full roo team

and no luna for buffs

and no luna dps in general

[gleaming imp]

[atomic coral]

vita could brute force bleed hos but you would still want luna for bleed and lightning buffs or you would use ce

[gleaming imp]

Based on BP my options to get from there is VQ gear only problem I can only get 2 stigmata or weapon and one stigmata but that would take away 2 BP orbs from the next BP

I do have purana, how much of a diff is purana compared to VQ weapon?

[atomic coral]

purana isn't bad but vq weapon kinda huge imo

drac t shui mb is probably still good in rl but cope won't cut it in nirv

[gleaming imp]

RL is what I'm aiming for in terms of retaining, nirv too difficult for me sometimes, i want to live the comfy life

[gleaming imp]

I'll go for that then, ty

I already have tb shuijing so I just need to craft t drac and m shuijing

[atomic coral]

just keep in mind that you still have to compete against sus pullers, luna players and full gear vq players

[gleaming imp]

It’s okay bleed is typically slack in RL

I once retained on bleed vill v with 245 score in RL

[atomic coral]

that's because there was no p2 bleed valk, now there is

[gleaming imp]

[still vine]

I thought he had hofi

[atomic coral]

he wants to use vita, hofi, si on bleed bosses

[still vine]

[gleaming imp]

That’s what I always used on bleed vill v

[still vine]

[abstract night]

The one time it ran...

[gleaming imp]

Yes

[rustic stump]

I don’t want Sus myself, but I have no functional bleed units, so imma pull for her

[copper shale]

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[glass nacelle]

Hare boss moment

[gleaming imp]

Hare on top because p1 on top

[abstract night]

Thats why shes so incredibly niche!

Well her boss

[gleaming imp]

She has aponia and jizo I think that's the name

[oak yarrow]

u better hope she has jizo

im pretty sure she lost it already

[abstract night]

I was about to say sum

Also

Sushang?

For jizo

[gleaming imp]

Awa what do I against wolf with no RS for my badum I only got vita and hoh, I could do M paga 3pc Dr mei?

[oak yarrow]

just ignore shieldbreak?

[gleaming imp]

Wait it's shield isn't strong even in nirv?

[abstract night]

Ur in nirv?

[oak yarrow]

wont change ur life if u cant insta break shield

[gleaming imp]

I was worried it was gonna be a Kasumi repeat for me

[glass nacelle]

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[half shard]

bruh

similiar to Lamp but Bleed

or LV but physical

[gleaming imp]

So she's not strong compared to other p2 valks

[glass nacelle]

It's better if she deals 100% physical dmg

[steep tide]

Is new bp retain forever ?

[naive briar]

the balls stay, the shop rotate

[tired mountain]

so 8.2 returnee is dropping the "bonus shop" with various materials?

[muted mauve]

no news

[ionic salmon]

So is sushang must pull now that shes fully bleed

[ionic salmon]

I have 4/4 VQ, 4/4 SI but no CE gears or Aladin dupe (holmes on HoRb) and I struggle to get above 650-ish score on bleed bosses now even in RL so dont even think about coping with Purana

[glass nacelle]

https://youtu.be/hMuf_UM-HZg

Nice thumbnail

[grim notch]

Sus

[willow perch]

suS

[feral epoch]

with vita support

[copper shale]

eLy

not even in the thumbnail

[urban cloud]

What is gui doing there

[shrewd socket]

mid joke with Sus being phys like her HSR variant

[glass nacelle]

I feel like without bleed buff she's weak

[feral epoch]

yes

she's very weak outside of bleed weather

[gleaming imp]

Omg lamp tease

[glass nacelle]

Susannah v2 💀

[shrewd socket]

ig im never catching up completely

[mild bloom]

Susannah at her debut was actually useful at every physical weather

[shrewd socket]

not like there were many other options

[mild bloom]

Just made her all the more useful

[dense juniper]

Why is gungafien in the thumbnail

[grim sentinel]

[dense juniper]

[shrewd socket]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[dense juniper]

Wha

Yes that is where we are currently

[gleaming imp]

Because besties stick together

[feral epoch]

who

[copper shale]

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yamabuki dps

[tender grotto]

HUH

[copper shale]

is for fun

[feral epoch]

dk dps

[copper shale]

oh yea thats the name of her augment

[hoary mountain]

chat should i even bother pulling Sushang

i could use bleed, bio and fast attack coverage. that or i can just pull kiana even tho its been a while now

[copper shale]

not recommended to skip, as with basically every valk, but the thing is she does have ??? so there's that appeal as well (dont mention lamp and teri cuz nobody knew how they will be after their initial patch and its just purely up to mhy if they want to shill that valk or not)

[plucky cradle]

cutely mentions lamp and teri

[copper shale]

[plucky cradle]

but like Sushang has a whole separate dmg type to her own so

[copper shale]

yea, for now v3 does look appealing

just wait v4

[gleaming imp]

So far to me sushang is looking to be lamp tier so skip

[copper shale]

to u everything is skip

just dont pull anymore and only wait adv ez

nothing to worry about

[smoky lintel]

just wait for sushang leap and EZ

[plucky cradle]

*JK leap

[copper shale]

will she become ssss

[gleaming imp]

I wouldn't even pull for her leap

[copper shale]

fake adv player

[plucky cradle]

but the nostalgia

[copper shale]

ikr

what happened to your nostalgia

[gleaming imp]

Real but not enough nostalgia for me to pull

[copper shale]

fake nostalgia

[plucky cradle]

fake nostalgia

[feral epoch]

fake nostalgia

[smoky lintel]

fake nostalgia

[tender grotto]

fake nostalgia

[hoary mountain]

i smell punishing gray raven terminology

[smoky lintel]

i dont know anything about that game so

[hoary mountain]

leap is kinda like their version of a divine key

or like a euhporia if you play reverse 1999

its a really expensive upgrade for old characters to bring them back to meta

[smoky lintel]

well leap is just new ADV for us

[gleaming imp]

Leaps on top

Thelema then vita then vita then ? So far

No Valk post vita I'd want to commit a leap to so far

[dense juniper]

[willow perch]

I am going to give you an ADV supply with 100% drop-rate, and the reward is sending you into the sun

[gleaming imp]

[willow perch]

https://tenor.com/view/gurren-lagann-tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-ttgl-super-tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-super-gurren-lagann-gif-27016595

[gleaming imp]

[naive briar]

please show that dragon

[distant lagoon]

[twin dune]

Question question is lil sus a skip?

[copper shale]

wait

[short knoll]

seem like next ring could be trauma related

like APHO2 trauma mixing mechanic

3/4 of the ??? have trauma

expect more bleed and ignite dps

[tender grotto]

bleed dps would kill Vill V permanantly

in p2 teams now

[feral epoch]

she is dead already

[strange crystal]

Sushang got a lot of ways to apply bleed simply because she's bleed DPS. Elysia can only freeze during burst mode (ULT/SO), Dudu only from charged attack. Kiana doesn't apply any trauma.

So no, I don't think so...

[short knoll]

locked skill can give them more way to apply it

badum has no trauma but she can be generic support, dont need 3 valk with trauma for it to work

[strange crystal]

If Helia will be 8.3 valk with new AR... she doesn't need to apply trauma. She's already traumatized

[short knoll]

maybe we will get valk with 2 trauma even

in any case, i expect trauma mechanic should be a thing for p2 since it's already a thing in apho2

[plucky cradle]

ignite dmg that counts as bleed amg

[flint badger]

Who knows, maybe it'll be similar to domain resonance where some generate marks and some trigger them

[feral epoch]

I'm more interested if they will implement fire and ice trauma from Benares in event

[plucky cradle]

playable Bella

[short knoll]

im including that too, any 2 trauma will trigger something special

[strange crystal]

It'll be a thing when we get APHO Mei and SW DK.

[grim notch]

Buff Sushang else i will riot

[strange crystal]

She already got buff this v3. Next changes will be nerf... like usual

[feral epoch]

nerf vita thx

[short knoll]

v4 will make her an ice valk

[main goblet]

v5 make her deal rime dmg /j

[scarlet sapphire]

v4 will make her a crit/break hybrid

/j

[strange crystal]

Oh well, at least the insanity of P1 support halfie already ended with Dudu... as I don't really have any P1 team except Luna bc she's Luna.

[muted mauve]

still nothing

[glass nacelle]

nice shieldbreak

stellar btw

[copper shale]

dudu l

[verbal mountain]

dudu bad

so what's her best team now?

is vita bis support now

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

probs vita + kiana/sparkle

[copper shale]

kurowhel

[verbal mountain]

it's so dudu over

[tender grotto]

@spice summit #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

watch this for dkey information

[copper shale]

v4 trust

[spice summit]

It only has two dkeys no

Or does it have all of them

Idk which are dkeys lol

[copper shale]

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[smoky lintel]

There are 4 dkeys that can't be obtained at the moment, abyss flower, might of an-utu, Fenghuang down and, twins of Eden

7t is available rn so grab that if u haven't already

[spice summit]

Already did

Wait fenghuang down is a dkey?

[smoky lintel]

Yes

[spice summit]

Oh lmao this is a dkey box then

[smoky lintel]

Yes

[spice summit]

Guess I should've used it earlier lmao

Just pick whatever and tune it then?

[smoky lintel]

All of these are available in the new BP so yeah

[spice summit]

Ohhhhh
Now I got +10 atk

Lol thanks btw

[glass nacelle]

ded

[plain veldt]

I don't understand this pose. The umbrella is levitating and has no touch point.

If I pose like that it would fall from my shoulder.

[slim lion]

Where is her hand

WHERE IS HER HAND

Ngl I thought she hold it on her hand in ult pose

[tired mountain]

looks like a rendering error

[slim lion]

Until u mentioned it

[slim lion]

Looks like it's behind her back

[tired mountain]

yeah, I guess so

and the umbrella is just propped between her leg and upper arm

[plain veldt]

hand is here, but still weird pose

[shrewd socket]

let's just say it's being held by KI

[plain veldt]

my suggestion

elbow should be a bit higher

[muted mauve]

Using the hand to grab it loses the point of it being held by her leg.
If anything just have the umbrella more tucked in.

[plain veldt]

if you held this unbrella in real life by leg, it would fall

[main goblet]

yeah there's nothing gripping it

funny how i just noticed that she isn't holding it now

[plain veldt]

this umbrella should be pushed into booty for the grip

[shrewd socket]

wait

[main goblet]

i think if it wasn't for that same exact position hoyo could of gotten away by trying to balance it with her leg, if i make sense
but holding it is the more logical option

[plain veldt]

also

[main goblet]

unless the fellow chicken is somehow holding the umbrella with its own leg lol

[shrewd socket]

is she balancing it there???

[main goblet]

that's what im seeing

[shrewd socket]

oh right the JingWei

forgot it's there

[main goblet]

lmao

my brain was playing some fuckery on me by thinking that her arm was gripping the umbrella in place

[shrewd socket]

unless it's just typical frozen pose thing it's still weird

[main goblet]

only bc i did not pay attention to that area

[shrewd socket]

same

[plain veldt]

I wanted to show that there should be some swelling, and more space for grip

[main goblet]

actually can we switch from the umbrella and talk about how her left hand looks off because otherwise i must be imagining things

[plain veldt]

I suggest it's in sleeve

but the length of arms are short

[shrewd socket]

tf is happening to her thumb

[main goblet]

yeah that's what im saying

i don't think that thumb was supposed to be visible because wtf

[plain veldt]

it's broken

[gleaming imp]

Small indie company moment

[plain veldt]

Giving indie company irl reference

[main goblet]

lmao

[strange crystal]

sushang not beating the last-minute-unplanned valk allegations

[gleaming imp]

Tbf it was this or releasing a p2 cast Valk and p1 valks sell

[main goblet]

sushang doing a mini prack by pretending that she's pulling her finger while posing around

[main goblet]

surely new sushang on release will have six fingers on each hand

[strange crystal]

btw, is the 8.2 sushang event a dream event again

[glass nacelle]

what dream

[thorny viper]

there are no dream events in honkai

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-6037055492951935036

[final locust]

TLDR on casual stroll?

[glass nacelle]

v4 : remove bleed stuff, can crit tks

[feral epoch]

tap wp twice, ult, combo, tap wp

[final locust]

how cooked am i if i dont pull her

i want to but idk if i can

tbf its 9 week patch so i can probably secure her within 6w but then i miss some initial shill

[plain veldt]

if you have Luna SS it's okay

[final locust]

i dont

ive got her "best team" tho
if its vita kiana

[feral epoch]

it's not okay

[plain veldt]

yeah

[plain veldt]

according to game's logic, not having each patches valk is not okay

[final locust]

why does she use vita if shes a phys bleed dps thats the real question

[oak yarrow]

because vita good

[plain veldt]

because Vita gives elem and phys breach

[final locust]

shes not supposed to be good with phys

[plain veldt]

she gives PHYSCIAL BREACH

[glass nacelle]

[feral epoch]

because that stupid breach gives bleed dmg bonus like kiana gives fire bonus

[smoky lintel]

Also leader skill gives extra DMG when she has breach

[thorny viper]

almighty phys breach overrides everything

[final locust]

at least that's what i thought
something changed from v2 to v3 that made her want vita instead of dudu
is it that her impair no longer requires her to be on field?

[plain veldt]

I didn't want Dudu
I pulled and what?
I'm poor

I still have no Kiana

[glass nacelle]

what

[plain veldt]

what what

[thorny viper]

almighty phys breach overrides everything

[plain veldt]

Susannah had HoS and HoRb as supps

[oak yarrow]

her buffs are good
the only reason why she fumbles is because its -50% lightning

[glass nacelle]

isn't phys breach can stack with impair

[distant lagoon]

i remember they added HoC and Husk just in v3 beta... smells like they somehow want to sell new sushi

[still condor]

yeah it does

but its not additive so kinda scuffed

[final locust]

vita phybreach just makes it so u have 75% instead of 55% impair like the standard in p1

[glass nacelle]

*s2

[final locust]

pretty sure at S0

[glass nacelle]

no

[final locust]

idr the formula anyway but S2 doesnt do anything for breach on vita

[glass nacelle]

s1

[strange crystal]

that and...

[final locust]

lmao

[feral epoch]

vita gameplay in loa should've not buffed

[final locust]

yes it shouldve

now she can finally be good at S0 in more than one ring

[feral epoch]

she roo, and she's bis in 2 ring teams is stupid

[strange crystal]

vita deserves loa spotlight as she's the reason why i need to save and skip sparkle/dudu

[final locust]

why is it stupid

[thorny viper]

it's support impact, its pretty normal

[glass nacelle]

[strange crystal]

she's the first p2 cn anniv valk, she's deserves to be gud

[final locust]

crazy part is before the LoA buff she was pretty mid lmfao

[glass nacelle]

v4 : if sushang doesn't enter phys breach, deal 1 dmg

[still condor]

she should get another buff where you turn off her stellar shift

[main goblet]

vita doesn't have any other tags so she'll be a budget option for the newer tags, so its fine

[feral epoch]

because roo is supposed to be just "filler" for every astral ring, not bis for every astral ring

[final locust]

roo was only filler bc coralie had one tag and is an A rank
hofi and vita are meant to excel because they have the tags and really good buffs

• vita is a breach valk

[glass nacelle]

sleep

[final locust]

which is best?

is sparkle her best

[feral epoch]

the one that has vita

happy now

[strange crystal]

why there's still sporkle. i thought i wont see her that much by 8.2

[final locust]

because sparkle is really good in LoA 😭

[shrewd socket]

and only in LoA

[feral epoch]

because sushang gameplay is almost the same as dudu that always almost uses her ult

[glass nacelle]

her cd reduction is useful

[final locust]

i think shes like the best support for LoA

how good is sus support for LoA

[thorny viper]

world tried to tell me skip sparkle glad i didnt listen

[final locust]

mark my words shes the sparkle of new ring
supposed to be "mid" on release and then value skyrockets one patch later

[strange crystal]

based on what im seeing, her support buffs got slightly(?) nerfed

[final locust]

i also hear sushang is pretty much bricked without teri
not my problem tho i have teri

[feral epoch]

every loa valks is bricked without teri

[shrewd socket]

im bricked for the last cycles of this patch regardless

[strange crystal]

isn't elysia mid as support to wod/loa too? she can be the sparkle (or songque) of new ring...

[thorny viper]

she better not, wasn't able to get her dkey

[oak yarrow]

sparkles value instantly fumbled the patch after the rise tho

[glass nacelle]

and next ring is still bad

[thorny viper]

wod is solo gameplay, sena ring is resonance dmg and loa is qte gameplay, wonder what new ring is about

[shrewd socket]

summons

[thorny viper]

[final locust]

yeah i hope so

[thorny viper]

meh

[shrewd socket]

stand still while your minions kill the boss

[feral epoch]

resonance is already a summon

[final locust]

no it didnt what
even if shes not the best option shes always competitive
cant say that about all the LoA supports (dudu, hohe)

[feral epoch]

dudu support is rising so much in this patch

[shrewd socket]

ew dudu shill

[final locust]

dudu was really destined for failure bc wdym shes terrible in WoD and only a shieldbreak option for LoA maybe shes good in new ring

[oak yarrow]

doesnt matter if good, if not best then useless

[final locust]

its really not

[thorny viper]

was actually nice to be finally able to use dudu again this boss, havent touched her since forever it felt like

[glass nacelle]

Memosprites moment

[thorny viper]

pause that sounded crazy

[feral epoch]

whatever you say

[strange crystal]

wouldn't be surprised if new ring is ult. these 4 future supports got long ult animations. aside from qte, there's no common ground on them, the two do charged, the other two do combo. also if 8.2 helia low cost ult is a hint

[final locust]

its only been used on this boss and its bc it has a phat shield

[feral epoch]

homu

[thorny viper]

oh yeah forgot about homu

[final locust]

that was kiana vita sparkle

[final locust]

kiana ult animation is NOT long

[feral epoch]

starless sk, hod, phys otto, hare

[oak yarrow]

erm akshually at equals ranks songque better than sparkle 🤓

[final locust]

and thats either p1 phys which is always gonna use dudu or dudu dps
her support shill is still yet to be seen

[final locust]

srsly

then why was t10 not using songque

[strange crystal]

she can support p1, can stun/shieldbreaker and a img dps. she shouldn't be good for future ar. also i skipped her.

[oak yarrow]

cause no one wants to use fish skip 7 times a run

[thorny viper]

maybe its like loa where you gotta tap buttons on ult for unique animations

[glass nacelle]

only w7 u don't use dudu

[final locust]

oh so thats what you didnt include
songque equal to sparkle when you do the shitty fish cancel

[final locust]

man this is MA wbk dudu good asf in MA

[oak yarrow]

better

[glass nacelle]

[strange crystal]

it feels long 🤧

[final locust]

yeah with a booty cheek strat that's annoying as hell to execute and if you miss it once the run is over

only youre malding that shit buddy

[oak yarrow]

what mald
i do it 100% of the time

[final locust]

and you still mald it

"i can do it a frame faster and save 0.03 points"

[oak yarrow]

thats just because mob rng sucks

[glass nacelle]

i see elysia dkey is longer but people still want to add archery animation

[shrewd socket]

i just don't have sparkle

[final locust]

it would have been even better if they had her giant form break through the thing and her do the gigantic arrow

god that shit would have been epic but i guess i like her current ult too

shes lowkey boring which is disappointing

[glass nacelle]

i play hack n slash game not watch animation

[shrewd socket]

^

[final locust]

idk hohe just feels rushed if they took a patch longer to release the dkey i wouldnt complain as long as the animations were more fluid and she was more thought out

[strange crystal]

if new ar gonna be ult, i hope those ult can be activated off-field.

[final locust]

no its just gonna be like stellar shift

[oak yarrow]

i would be fine with hohe if ss sera wasnt so strong

[final locust]

special QTE looking thing then they enter and do a big ult and then some kind of sequence

[still condor]

HoH dkey should've been a flame chaser all out attack like persona

[final locust]

pull better

[still condor]

[oak yarrow]

i outscore u anyways tho

[shrewd socket]

there are right there

[final locust]

i pulled SS sera and still could afford 8.1
not an ounce of regret in me

[strange crystal]

speaking of hohe dk. why her so ult got no difference between her base outfit and her peach spring outfit. 💔

[final locust]

yeah because you spend a very concerning amount of time malding
i do one run and done

[still condor]

Nuh uh I want the actual flamechasers not just the signets

[glass nacelle]

[still condor]

Smol indie company pls understand

[shrewd socket]

as if waxing ult changed for Selenic Ripples

[glass nacelle]

hfi, brick,...

[atomic coral]

we got the bow but no budget for the arrow

[strange crystal]

oh right, forgot about her lmao

[glass nacelle]

[oak yarrow]

i cant believe there are men on my screen

[final locust]

well tbf what the fuck is supposed to change

[shrewd socket]

brick finisher also doesn't change with HoS' outfits

[strange crystal]

make it more flashy

[strange crystal]

they couldn't even give baiji/litost aop 💀

[final locust]

the outfits are made for their pre-dkey form, they're not gonna do shit for the new gameplay

[final locust]

theyd probably get sued

[strange crystal]

the hoyo company will surely get burned

[glass nacelle]

vita shadow skill is still default ew

[final locust]

someone... i guess
would find a way to sue them

[glass nacelle]

[shrewd socket]

Thel phantoms are also default

[glass nacelle]

but vita skin is 5*

[shrewd socket]

skin is skin

both aesthetic both worthless

[final locust]

sena too

[glass nacelle]

[smoky burrow]

APHO mc gonna get retconned like male part2 mc

[strange crystal]

APHO 3 will just be a side story dream event so he can continue to be playable

[smoky burrow]

fem mc that just dreamt it all being a dude

[rustic stump]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 retcon him out of existence you mean

[rustic stump]

Hell yeah to a genderbend!

[strange crystal]

it'll be timido all along, she's super shy so she dream of both being the mc and a side chara. she'll wake up from that dream revealing her pretty face and in long hair

[rustic stump]

Lmfao

I like that idea so much

[shrewd socket]

make it a fanfic

[rustic stump]

Or it can be Kiana dreaming of the APHO mc, just like she dreamed up Rice Cake

[shrewd socket]

"who is Adam" ah shit

[glass nacelle]

still 1* phys res at bleed version

[oak yarrow]

funny game

luna dkey is gonna retake the boss

[strange crystal]

HoRb DK - CN Anniv
Luna DK - CNY / GLB Anniv

[shrewd socket]

See End

GlueBall

[glass nacelle]

40 atk gap

stop making dkey tks

[oak yarrow]

[shrewd socket]

born for nirv forced to RL

[oak yarrow]

i just want to be happy

[strange crystal]

DK is the new A-rank.

[rustic stump]

Leylah CNY

[hard meadow]

Wrong game

[rustic stump]

Ikr?

[shrewd socket]

wrong genre

[rustic stump]

SW and FoV DKs confirmed

[shrewd socket]

SW DK summons HoTr projection

[rustic stump]

[verbal mountain]

luna still bad

[gleaming imp]

Luna can't be bad she's p1

She'll get a dkey to keep her on top

[verbal mountain]

p1 is over

[verbal mountain]

she needs to use p2 mechanics

it's all p2, p1 is DEAD

[gleaming imp]

That's okay

[verbal mountain]

she'll need 2 very specific p2 supports or else -2 damage

and sss astralop

[gleaming imp]

They'll hopefully be accessible ones

[verbal mountain]

my uncle works at mihoho

I don't want luna dk cuz everyone has ranks

[gleaming imp]

I have no luna to begin with

[oak yarrow]

so how are the advs going

[gleaming imp]

Progress on that front is currently waiting for thelema leap then vita leap and then vita leap again for SSS vita then ?