🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[final locust]

lmfao

[still condor]

shouldnt they put thelema first since that means you have less balls hoarded for her

[final locust]

lets see

beastly in MA
mid in abyss
supports a valk on her deathbed...
hmmmmm i wonder

[vale granite]

They most likely are just going in release order

[still condor]

well they already screwed that up with luna after sena

[vale granite]

Oh, right, forgor

[scarlet sapphire]

They'll rerun Thelema leap supply a bunch of time to bait all the simps (and Ely simps) into rolling

[final locust]

@gleaming imp is gonna pull it

i GUARANTEE hes pulling that thele adv and gear banner lmfao

[still condor]

he is

[scarlet sapphire]

Oh he already said as much

[gleaming imp]

I am for my ely

[final locust]

kek thele skippers

you dont deserve to use ely if you first skipped the queen thele

[vale granite]

Thele replacement in 8.3 trust

[gleaming imp]

Unfortunately they made the decision to tie ely way too much to thelema

[still condor]

just stop using the fake nostalgia ely and use the og one

[final locust]

well it makes sense, theyre married

[still condor]

[gleaming imp]

Like I can’t even cope with sena vita on kasumi since no thelema = no shield break = can’t clear boss with ely

[final locust]

cause ely married all of humanity

[still condor]

tbh you shouldve expected this to happen if you thought she would get a dkey

she relies on sussy for p1 and thelema for p2

+kira for freeze

[gleaming imp]

With JK it’s okay since JK is farmable and free but thelema requires me spending crystals

[final locust]

i cant wait to have SS1 ely, SS sena, and SS+2 thele
gonna look like a whale lmao

[still condor]

her gears arent farmable which is where a lot of it comes from

[final locust]

all of it*

[gleaming imp]

Just paga M and call it a day

[scarlet sapphire]

Were you in Nirvana or something?
I beat Kasumi with my half-assed team in RL, it's just that she scored worse than my Hofs team since the latter had actual shiedbreak

[still condor]

excessive copium overdose

[gleaming imp]

I was in nirv yes

[still condor]

if that works on sushang then just do it with whatever p2 support

[gleaming imp]

My ely couldn’t clear kasumi

[gleaming imp]

I tried that still didn’t clear

[final locust]

JK played like 4 roles when she was relevant
shieldbreak
breach
hitcount
main buffer

and then kira was also hella buffs + freeze + HP loss

really the synergy in ely's P1 team was perfect, now its not so much with her p2 team

[still condor]

speaking of hp loss

when was the last time they ran a boss that needs it

[vale granite]

Breach and main buffer is double dipping xdd

[gleaming imp]

I wish new sushang was ice

[vale granite]

I wouldn't say she was the main buffer anyway

[scarlet sapphire]

Well Thelema is shieldbreak + freeze
WHile Vita is hitcount + breach

[final locust]

she has the most buffs out of the two supports tho

[final locust]

but ely doesnt really use vita so far

[vale granite]

Does she compared to Kira? Interesting if true

[still condor]

wouldnt matter even if she was, she doesnt support WoD

[final locust]

i think so, there are so many buffs in her kit stigs and pri arm

[glass nacelle]

跃迁 (hsr)
跃升( hi3)
maybe it's based on hsr
跃 = jump, leap

[still condor]

omg theyre putting thelema in hsr

[final locust]

that would be cool

[mild owl]

im gonna be pissed if i have to pull thelema for cyrene too

[final locust]

lmfao

[scarlet sapphire]

RS not providing shieldbreak as WoD supports was a pure evil move on mihoyo's part

[vale granite]

Btw, I've seen that P2 valks often have HP loss, but where tf did HP Coagulation go

[final locust]

i think cyrene will be a support
pls let her be a support

[vale granite]

There was 1 MA boss in 7.8 but that's it xdd

[still condor]

i hope she isnt playable

[final locust]

well obviously, they dont wanna kill thele just for some rando who isnt even meant to be good in WoD
RS just has WoD tag for fun

thele is meant to be the WoD support

[still condor]

isnt that sena

[vale granite]

No, Vita diffs her with S2+

[final locust]

no thele is way more versatile in her role

[final locust]

also no

[still condor]

who tf is pulling valk ranks

[hard meadow]

nobody like it

[vale granite]

Vita's S2 is not unreasonable cuz of the spending event

[still condor]

?

her stamps arent in the spending event though

[gleaming imp]

I am I have vita s2

[final locust]

first of all, vita needs SS to compete in WoD
second, sena needing 0 field time and not having a 5 second no timestop animation is very frequently favorable in WoD

[vale granite]

I meant that you could've needed to spend more crystals to get HoFi, and Vita's banner was usually the place to do that

[muted mauve]

No news

[gleaming imp]

Luck and by extension nostalgia favored me by blessing me with a vita dupe in same ten pull

[still condor]

who tf doesnt have HoFi

[vale granite]

Someone that started after 6.4

[gleaming imp]

I didn’t have hofin until 7.4

[still condor]

thats cause youre a kek drya

[vast citrus]

I also didn't have hofi until spending but I started with thele banner.

[gleaming imp]

I got s2 Hofin for only 14k that’s cheap and valuable

[final locust]

even at 12S sena has been favored so far on both of hohe's bosses so
its better to have more field time on thele than waste field time on vita who does like 3 damage per attack

[glass nacelle]

2nd option for thelema best option is vita

[vale granite]

At 12S you just have too much damage to go for Vita
I assume there is a zone where Sena doesn't have enough but Vita does

[final locust]

i dont think at 8S vita is preferred
not at 3S/5S either
so maybe with some funky subranks vita is favored but not in the big ranks

[glass nacelle]

The worst part is she doesn't have reduce cd switch when consuming stellar drain

[vale granite]

Just turn off her QTE

[final locust]

that does rlly suck

[glass nacelle]

Can't combo atk fast kek

[vale granite]

The speed should be about the same, no?

[final locust]

QTE off on thele is always favored

[vale granite]

Wait, are we talking Vita or Thele rn

[final locust]

thele

[glass nacelle]

[final locust]

2 stacks of banquet on QTE but it wastes a ton of time

[vale granite]

Also QTE stacks don't buff MoI

[final locust]

yeah thele QTE off is much better

i also have sena's QTE off

and cora

[vale granite]

Eh, that one depends tbh

[still condor]

now turn off lanterns qte

[final locust]

it doesnt

[vale granite]

Songque's

[still condor]

i think people actually do turn off songques for that jump basic spam

[glass nacelle]

Often turn on qte in MA

[final locust]

her DPS is dead unless they run lightning gaymaxx or mobs
even on mobs i think kiana/songque/sus is gonna be better

[muted mauve]

It's been 31 days since the last piece of new content

[vale granite]

I meant that for Sena support QTE on can be used as well, like with Songque DPS
Ofc you'll probs just use Songque in LoA atp, I was talking in general

[final locust]

doesnt songque dps use vita

[vale granite]

If Songque leader then yes

(vs SD enemies)

[final locust]

anything SD now uses kiana, now songque only has phys SD weathers

[final locust]

i meant vita oops

[glass nacelle]

Thelema lantern

[vale granite]

vs non-SD Vita is better

[scarlet sapphire]

Does Songque leader still topscore any SD weathers besides phys?

[vale granite]

That's with ranks

[final locust]

only when u have SS sera

[vale granite]

F2Ps use Sena/Vita Thele depending on the enemy

[final locust]

vita thele always better atp

isnt song's only dps boss phys alien now

[vale granite]

Gotta wait for an actual Phys SD cycle to tell for sure tbh

[glass nacelle]

No, outside sd is ranged kalpas ig

[final locust]

hohe topscores that

[glass nacelle]

No data

[final locust]

in CN beta and EN beta HoHE did better

[vale granite]

I think it's pretty obvious

[final locust]

still cant believe i got lantern now i can actually play ranged kalpas

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1R6RWYNEMz

this tank is tankier than flux tank ig

[short knoll]

who topscore new tank?

lantern with hoh support?

[glass nacelle]

maybe

[muted mauve]

Hope 8.2 increases length and brings back 3/4-act format.

I can't handle another 7 weeks wait

[plucky cradle]

[glass nacelle]

do my er

[plucky cradle]

domyabyss

homu boss is so shit

[final locust]

which?

WoD tank? its hohe dps

[still condor]

the new fire tank

[final locust]

thats not new bae

fire tank has BEEN out

[still condor]

why is it in the pins patch notes as a new weather then?

[feral epoch]

it's new

fire mht 3c

old is mht 3b

[final locust]

they must have just revamped old fire tank bc it wasnt tanky enough

or smth

its defo a lantern boss

[feral epoch]

it is

[still condor]

tf is the difference

[final locust]

eh maybe trio or badum will steal it
not confident in lanterns dps capabilities

[feral epoch]

different boss mechanics

[final locust]

mht 3b has cringe transition

mht 3c has no transition
iirc

badum or trio could very well take that

im ngl
esp since hohe cant even save lantern cuz its ice down

[oak yarrow]

lantern wouldnt be saved even if it wasnt ice down

[still condor]

is she really that bad

[oak yarrow]

yes

its hard being that bad

[pseudo trellis]

skins so fire and its free?!

[solar surge]

it's funded by emotional damage

[final locust]

is there water in the ocean

[still condor]

no

[glass nacelle]

can't

[final locust]

why not

even if lamp has TC advantage
trio and/or badum should do comparable damage
we shall see

[glass nacelle]

[final locust]

esp badum with smth like vita and sparkle

might just do better
lantern will prob have it unfortunately

[still condor]

doesnt tank need an archer for the weakspot? i dont actually remember what it does

[final locust]

no idts

and if it does and lantern has to use hohe thats even more of a disadvantage

[still condor]

wouldnt badum also want HoH

[gleaming imp]

Lampbad moment

[glass nacelle]

Even Kiana has to use her, why is it a disadvantage

[oak yarrow]

yeah but only for weakpoint
pretty much never uses her elsewise

[final locust]

yes but you can still have other really strong options like sparkle vita or dudu

[oak yarrow]

what happen to songque

[final locust]

whereas lantern is gonna be locked with sena/vita
and no thelema WoD is cooked

[final locust]

forgot about her

LoA is a lot more flexible in terms of support options than WoD is

if you have to use lantern with sena/vita and hohe ur just cooked

but badum with vita hohe isnt so bad

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1j89mYTE5R
lol he doesn't use thelema

i think thelema is still better here

[oak yarrow]

this run looks unbelievably bricked

[glass nacelle]

no thelema

[feral epoch]

too tanky

[final locust]

and lantern can?

[feral epoch]

yes

[celest valley]

DAMN i almost s them all

[exotic osprey]

I can't believe Lantern stripped even more

Mihoyo is slowly taking her clothes away

[gleaming imp]

Herrscher trio on top

[exotic osprey]

Wtf Mihoyo she can't afford new ones stop taking her clothes

😔

Damn it

[still vine]

huh where

[exotic osprey]

I'm pretty sure those aren't socks like Moriso said

Her tights burnt away

Those are just her bare legs

[exotic osprey]

Moriso's yt posts

[exotic osprey]

I can't believe she's stripped even more

This is just complete fanservice at this point

Where did her shoes go dawg

I'm not complaining, please strip her even more thx Mihoyo

[still vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1341246904721211402/1345578553869074553/image0.gif

[exotic osprey]

Why did Mihoyo do this to us

I love Lantern but why is the playable version so ass

[still vine]

the world may never know

[exotic osprey]

It has the most clothes

And it also fights way slower than the bosses

And she doesn't have the new huge gun thing

Does Mihoyo hate Lantern

They haven't given her a skin yet

We got baited with the maid outfit

[still vine]

forgot about that

[exotic osprey]

Yeah we all did

They kinda skipped her skin

It'd be really fucked if Songque got a skin next

[gleaming imp]

P2 needed a bait weak valk

[exotic osprey]

I hope we get a second Lantern

[exotic osprey]

I mean she wasn't weak

She was just boring to play

The bait weak Valk is Teri let's be real

[gleaming imp]

A s0 ely was competing with her

Hofin dk too and also vita

[exotic osprey]

Ya but for her whole patch

[quartz mortar]

yowai

[fierce ledge]

Watch CN players cry over it and ruining it

[strange crystal]

How skippable sus is? I have Luna but I'm not seeing Luna bruteforce showcases on this v8.2 beta bleed stages. Or maybe my YT algorithm is just an ass.

Can't afford sus next patch unless I get lucky with the discounted pull.

[glass nacelle]

skippable atm but in the future idk

[strange crystal]

Dmn. Will it be a repeat of sparkle. I kind of regretting skipping her since I keep on seeing her everywhere

[craggy sentinel]

skippable is for noobs

[glass nacelle]

u noobs

💳

[exotic osprey]

Nah doubt it

Mihoyo has been careful to slowly expose them to the fanservice

We've been deprived of it so long Mihoyo had to reintroduce it slowly

[naive briar]

bonk?

[strange crystal]

Ohgahd. Nvm. It's story event, I guess it's referring to mini-game

deleted*

[muted mauve]

no news

[short knoll]

fanservice is never an issue in CN, it's mostly just the ccp and some mad parents

[naive briar]

[slim lion]

So how is sushang in terms of damage and being fun to play with

[plucky cradle]

bad

[slim lion]

Eh really?

[tired cliff]

if sushang bad, what we do about the next weather

[copper shale]

her dmg is kinda fine, just not very fun unless u are into watching animations and letting your brain be free ig

[naive briar]

yes that is fun

[plucky cradle]

JK >

[slim lion]

I see

[naive briar]

gentle on my single brain cell
cute Sushang, average dmg, trash fashion

[copper shale]

like its on the same lvl as ely

[plucky cradle]

who gave her contact lenses

[gleaming imp]

Sus bait easy skip would rather use my fws kiana instead

[slim lion]

I personally don't enjoy Kiana's gameplay

Just want one LoA to have fun fr

[gleaming imp]

But the nostalgia?

[plucky cradle]

where's your nostalgia

[slim lion]

Ely isn't half bad

[naive briar]

I don't like Lantern's

[slim lion]

She can go jump off from a cliff

[plucky cradle]

Lamp's gameplay is ass lmao

[slim lion]

Neither

[copper shale]

makes me sleep idk

[sand falcon]

So far 8.2 valk is a skip?

[slim lion]

lamp

[copper shale]

has ??? rly hard to say

[exotic osprey]

Ya but I mean how HI3 was really lewd at the start

[plucky cradle]

yea cuz we all broke from spending

[gleaming imp]

I'm sorry but new sushang is so go girl give us nothing even though she has nostalgia appeal

[exotic osprey]

Then it calmed down a lot

And it's been slowly ramping up

Lately

[plucky cradle]

fake nostalgia enthusiast

[copper shale]

honestly lamp has a lot of small things to optimize

[naive briar]

I have to pull but Sushang is not looking like a must atp

[slim lion]

Also Mr nostalgia I thought you'd wait till fws goes to adv/leap supply

[sand falcon]

Hmm cause if she is means more saving for 8.3 valk

[slim lion]

I see

[slim lion]

Ehh she isn't as appealing as her boss to me

[plucky cradle]

yea where are all her strings and traps in the gameplay

[gleaming imp]

I like fws kiana but how do I put this, she's the not the main kiana from p2 I want, the one I want is her current main p2 look that isn't fws

[naive briar]

why they refuse to give Lantern a proper boss design but just rip her clothes more

[copper shale]

hold on we just talking about brainded gameplay and i was just saying lamp has more than it looks lol. but yeah, i agree, why is the player's lantern nerfed af

[plucky cradle]

lampbad

[slim lion]

Eh that's understandable I thought kiana won't get a battlesuit cause she is in her "final" form

[naive briar]

dencute

[plucky cradle]

piyo

[naive briar]

bean

[slim lion]

Isn't lamp just qte + ca + ult and then goodbye

[grand viper]

I'm out of the loop, what is this ?

[copper shale]

not rly if u are dps

[slim lion]

Go look at abyss lantern design
She doesn't even have shoes LOL

[grand viper]

is lamp boss' outfit just the same but more ripped ?

[slim lion]

Ah that

[slim lion]

Yes sir

[grand viper]

I think I did see that

[plucky cradle]

where her pant

[naive briar]

AI chan took it

[grand viper]

what is that giant weapon supposed to be ?

[novel elbow]

or shoes

crossbow

[slim lion]

Is she smoking?

[plucky cradle]

whatever tf that her gameplay will never have

[grand viper]

missed lamp buff fr

[plucky cradle]

das a pocky

[slim lion]

Guitar case

[naive briar]

pls read story

[slim lion]

Oh xD

[grand viper]

isn't it a lollipop ?

[plucky cradle]

looks like a pocky to me

[naive briar]

if she's smoking this game rating will go from 12+ to 16+

[slim lion]

I assumed its her lollipop but at the same time its pretty far I can't see much

[naive briar]

the go kiss her

[grand viper]

she has CGs of her lollipops

[slim lion]

with this much skin atp it should go to 16+ xD

[plucky cradle]

half naked characters: 12+
smoking: 16+

[slim lion]

LMAO

WEEEED

Smoking so bad its 16+

[gleaming imp]

I do not understand this

[grand viper]

nevermind, I can't find any but I was pretty sure there was one

[slim lion]

Probably weed

[grand viper]

smoking is more harmful

[slim lion]

There was one where she held a songque "funeral" and her picture case was decorated with candies

[naive briar]

is mihoyo average level https://x.com/chibi0108/status/1889212953725136959?t=n9qh_kKLfg0b4cdDqwzKag&s=19

ちび🐦️Chibipiyo (@chibi0108) on X

v11.7 イベント看板 新春テレサ
#崩壊学園 #HoukaiGakuen2 #GGZ

X · Feb 11, 2025, 7:20 AM

[grand viper]

mhm

[slim lion]

Ggz is just different level

stares at aponia art

[naive briar]

nah both games 12+

[slim lion]

Seriously?

I'm surprised it's 12+

[naive briar]

https://x.com/chibi0108/status/1797958531444089069?t=6TqmpmjmAz4zOaFVyA6rdQ&s=19

ちび🐦️Chibipiyo (@chibi0108) on X

現行HoYoverse 全作品の発行地本国におけるリリース年、分類、レーティングまとめです
CN region game genre/ rating for all current miHoYo games
#崩壊3rd #HonkaiImpact3rd
#崩壊学園 #HoukaiGakuen2 #原神 #未定事件簿 #ゼンレスゾーンゼロ

X · Jun 4, 2024, 11:48 AM

[slim lion]

Wow

[feral epoch]

[naive briar]

I sauce my claims and my cabbage

[slim lion]

Do not the cabbage

[naive briar]

[exotic osprey]

Based Mihoyo for stripping Lantern more

Not based for giving us the most dogshit playable Lantern they cluld have

They shoulda just saved her for later if they were gonna make her relevant and cool

[feral epoch]

is she relevant

[naive briar]

p2 characters are pretty much dead in terms of screen time

[somber egret]

[somber egret]

She undress at SSS

[naive briar]

AI chan bean

[somber egret]

[ocean breach]

her and that goddamn lollipop

[prisma tartan]

giant crossbow

[celest valley]

Posting this but still they never the artbook

[twin dune]

@rain isle

I m in the wrong chat...

[steep axle]

Cn offtopic discussion real

I said i could retain rl but im going to get demoted to a3 😔

[quick river]

arent we on nearly half a year of copeing for Coralie ?

[naive briar]

half a year from when

[ember locust]

I swear...

[ember locust]

||From Coralie's death||

[untold flax]

im still coping for himeko

[naive briar]

incorrect math

[ember locust]

It's been more like.. 3 months ?

[untold flax]

its only been like 3 months

[muted mauve]

Practically 4 months

like 2 days from 4

[unique swallow]

carvlao where is my content

[muted mauve]

there's content for those playing beta

[clear vigil]

[unique swallow]

oh yeah i forgot i have that now

[muted mauve]

[hoary mountain]

theres an alternate universe where i was an overseer theresa main and she wasnt an astralOp

im not living in it

[muted mauve]

Remember when the devs teased a new Teri battlesuit over 2 years ago

[plucky cradle]

where beeg Teri smh

Luna doesn't count

[muted mauve]

AHR Teri was the reward of her character arc of P1 and we still haven't gotten it.

Otto outfit also became just an AOp.

But we get grumpy sleep deprived Teri instead.

The heck, chill af bracket

Just 2.5 weeks left

[nova osprey]

What was the weather

[muted mauve]

Phys Otto

[nova osprey]

Welp guess another -100 for me

Unless ppl have skill issue and i retain with sq

[golden comet]

Sushang doesn't have hss as expected
I'm pulling thelema

[dusk echo]

[golden comet]

Is thelema in leap supply next patch

Cool

My 2 free 10 pulls should go on JD in that case

[fervent hinge]

hss?

[unique swallow]

harmonised shadow star tag

smh lyowo demot

[fervent hinge]

oh lol

[rain isle]

OMAIGOTO 🍞

It is always very cute to see friends in-game

[dreamy pendant]

But then we have another 8 weeks of next update

[twin dune]

[glass nacelle]

[nova osprey]

524d rl dam

[glass nacelle]

look v3 they increase mob hp

[junior nova]

Would new susu work as badum support

[willow pumice]

On some bosses

Like in that pic up there

[celest valley]

Hoyo rerun Sakura merchs

[glass nacelle]

all 8.2 content ig

[muted mauve]

Pratically nothing

[glass nacelle]

[feral epoch]

which one is the little helper event

[steep axle]

what is little helper event

oh is snazzy cards club rerun event

[glass nacelle]

elf reward

[steep axle]

what

is that uh

i really dont remember event

[glass nacelle]

i mean little helper = free elf

[steep axle]

oh

oh god why is powered duo coming back

[glass nacelle]

finally i can switch er emblem and rl emblem fast

[steep axle]

i have HoV emblem

its been there for ages

[novel elbow]

i dun have all the emblems

[plucky cradle]

emblems in 2025

[glass nacelle]

denwhel in 2025

[ember locust]

Wow nothingness

[exotic osprey]

Can we get barefoot Lantern as a skin

[dreamy pendant]

Guys problem that I unfortunately didn’t screenshot

What to do when the homu boss falls off the map

[muted mauve]

curse the game -> esc -> restart -> confirm

[dreamy pendant]

Oh so what I did

[glass nacelle]

[exotic osprey]

It used to be so much more common

When PE had just come out

I'd fall off the map at least 1/3 times during Phase 2

[robust crane]

how good does sushang look in v2 beta?

[steep axle]

prob skip

[verbal mountain]

okay

prob worth to skip unless her bleed gets buffed in v3

[robust crane]

alr, ill prolly skip her then if one of her best supports is sparkle too cause i dont have her

[verbal mountain]

she is

but I think she can be replaced

by kiana/sonk

dudu is her best supp I think

from what i've seen

[robust crane]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-pen-ok-got-it-noted-gif-5849903637368710956

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ZtRYYNEvW

[ember locust]

Tbh Dudu is her must support

Other support could be Que or Kiana

[robust crane]

wasnt dudu kinda niche at supporting loa? ik shes good for shieldbreak but does she buff physical better than elemental dmg, is that it?

[glass nacelle]

nah her damage is big, even if she is support

especially in phys or flux weather

[robust crane]

yeah that makes sense

[small wing]

ig i'm ranking up Ely elf for thelema

[robust crane]

so triple phys shouldnt be that bad in phys weathers

instead of sushang dudu sparkle

[small wing]

is she really

ig i'm skipping shoosh then

[solar surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1107084275192447036/1220414197330874428/Waifus_Over_Meta.gif

[small wing]

true...

idk think it's possible to 4/4 sush and 8.3?

[steep axle]

no u need 30k more

[oak yarrow]

yes

[steep axle]

does sus need dudu or

[verbal mountain]

probably

depends what "needs" means in this case

but bis supp by the looks of it yes

her team is just 2 of any LoA supp with dudu + sparkle, kiana, songque being the best in no particular order

songque probably more niche than the other 3

[ember locust]

He has the equivalent of 154 pulls, he's literally FINE

If he does not pull

[steep axle]

nah u need 250 pulls for valk trust

well i think guarantee is 150 pulls now 😔

i miss 250 guarantee

[muted mauve]

Day 32 of waiting for new content

[gleaming imp]

12 more days until hofin adv

[oak yarrow]

stop

[verbal mountain]

stop

[gleaming imp]

But ss2 shiny

[feral epoch]

locked is shiny

[final locust]

what makes dudu so good for sushang

[ember locust]

150 pulls needed for everything now

No more

[ember locust]

Does anyone know if the current crystallums will be converted into the permz crystallums or not ?

Bc if yes

I won't even spend one

[oak yarrow]

no

[ember locust]

No as in unknown or no as it won't ?

[final locust]

they wont

they expire when 8.2 drops
you can see the expiry date

or not when it drops

i mean when the BP drops

[near kayak]

where's 8.2 Schedule guys?

[hard meadow]

what schedule bro the patch is in 7 weeks

its not even out on cn for a good while

[unique swallow]

Wait 2.5 weeks

[abstract night]

What about thelema adv for ur HoH

Sorry

Thelema leap*

[willow perch]

Weapon ADVs

[fierce pendant]

Does 8.2 Sushang need RS like how HoH needs Thelema?

[verbal mountain]

don't think it's as bad

easier to substitute rs than thel in those situations

[small wing]

Shield break and phys damage buffs I assume

[final locust]

if she needs RS real bad im just gonna skip

but shes gonna be the fucking sparkle of ??? ring because she only has two tags bro

[muted mauve]

Surely news today

I've been staying awake until late hoping for the web event

and because my classes are late so I would do it anyway but it sounds more desperate if it make it seem it's only because web event

[final locust]

news of what

[muted mauve]

Is the new powered duo buffs still QTE?

[muted mauve]

anything

[gleaming imp]

Idk the math of how long until week 5 of 8.2 since gacha player

[abstract night]

Smh

[gleaming imp]

My current funds for hofin adv and thelema leap supply plus weapon

[abstract night]

[gleaming imp]

With the remainder of this patch and the 5 week wait until thelema leap I have everything secured

[final locust]

help the way u dont have enough despite never pulling

[gleaming imp]

How is that not enough?

[final locust]

if both were out now, it wouldnt be enough

[gleaming imp]

Well yeah that is true since ss teriteri aop costed me 57 pulls when I could've settle for just s teriteri aop at 5 pulls

However I wanted ss teriteri aop for my queen vita

[final locust]

ONLY????

[copper shale]

the dmg buffs yea

[gleaming imp]

Yeah 5 for s teriteri and 52 for SS teriteri

[final locust]

lucky ass

took me 30 for S teri

[muted mauve]

Lvl 90 || ||

[vale granite]

I mean, it's about the same for them

57 pulls in total

[verbal mountain]

I mean her numbers look pretty good rn

and her rot looks pretty short as support

so she could be really good just pure dmg and speed wise

[somber egret]

Yes

[glass nacelle]

[muted mauve]

[somber egret]

[gleaming imp]

Nostalgia on top again hopefully I can actually retain nirv one time

[feral epoch]

go t50

[muted mauve]

@naive briar

[feral epoch]

you have the best team next abyss

[naive briar]

[nova osprey]

Its vita weather, u have s2 vita, hofi dkey, and ss teriaop, go myriad this cycle

[gleaming imp]

[craggy sentinel]

so whel

[nova osprey]

Cheswhel

[craggy sentinel]

nuh uh

[nova osprey]

Whel

[craggy sentinel]

[nova osprey]

[glass nacelle]

nuh uh

[muted mauve]

surely new content at 6

[agile monolith]

Is sushang a skip?

[nova osprey]

Wait until 8.2 drops, then ask again

[muted mauve]

I don't think you need to worry about skipping anymore

[dreamy pendant]

Why?

Oh wait, because long patches?

[gleaming imp]

Sushang easy skip despite the nostalgia appeal

[muted mauve]

duh.
2/3 less patches per year + 2/3 extra weeks to save per patch (extra 10 to 15 pulls)

[nova osprey]

And u die on every bleed/hc neeeding weathers

[plucky cradle]

just luna it out

[feral epoch]

and what weather does sushang take

[solar surge]

I assume bleed
it's funny, mhy have tend to give their sweetest, most innocent characters blood specialty
Susbear
Luna Teri
Sush
I miss anyone?

Griseo!
Forgot Griseo
oh, apparently some Hua's and main cast deal bleed, too

[gleaming imp]

Just brute force it with SI support

[feral epoch]

she's worse than vita in hos boss and vill v

[glass nacelle]

ew qua boss

[feral epoch]

more like fire boss

[still vine]

[nova osprey]

fire keksma

[glass nacelle]

💀

[gleaming imp]

I'll just brute force with fws

[plucky cradle]

[mossy escarp]

cringe

[glass nacelle]

ew

[plucky cradle]

wtf

cringe

does this require ignite trauma

[glass nacelle]

why

ss form ?

[plucky cradle]

SS form

[glass nacelle]

idr we have fire ss tona

[mossy escarp]

2020 boss trust

[hasty cedar]

vill-v mention

[feral epoch]

[mossy escarp]

lol

still sss but no mobs

[steep axle]

i hate qua

[glass nacelle]

smol indie company moment

wrong pic

[copper shale]

spork double kiana

[unique swallow]

[willow perch]

[dreamy pendant]

[plucky cradle]

is badum better for ws support or hofi

[willow pumice]

We'll see today

[winter pumice]

Wdym we’ll see

I’ll hit you with a rock

[dreamy pendant]

No violence please

[earnest forge]

what's the team comp for the upcoming sushang?

[nova osprey]

Any 2 hs tag haver

[craggy sentinel]

i dont have 2 hos

[vale granite]

I assume they're asking about the best team comp

For which the answer is "it's too early to tell and can be very situational"

@earnest forge

[steep axle]

prob dudu

i dont regret getting dudu trust

[winter pumice]

I do

And they’re all SSS

HS astral op trust

[glass nacelle]

She's better in ~~ sd stuff~~

No idea but should be better

[hoary mountain]

chat can someone transalate the voice line mini Bianka says when using Stellar outburst with Teriteri

[still vine]

you got a clip of it?

[hoary mountain]

i do not

[copper shale]

cn or jp

[hoary mountain]

CN

i do have a clip nopw but the file is too damn fat for discord

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16ScEeLEq5

[hoary mountain]

heres the clip of the thing. right here

[glass nacelle]

I realized she has special voiceline with dreamseeker

I always use sera or theresa kek

[hoary mountain]

i like how they all call her Bianka idk why

it feels like a friendship thing

[glass nacelle]

i wonder what if i use 2P dreamseeker

maybe still default voiceline

[willow pumice]

Durandal is her soldier name

Bianka is bestie name

[steep axle]

does rita call her durandal or bianka

[hoary mountain]

she calls her Durandal-sama

as far as i know

[muted mauve]

no news

[prisma tartan]

begging 8.3 new valk

[plucky cradle]

https://b23.tv/BUIbtXi

rl showcase
uses nirbaba emblem

this is unfair

[half shard]

there much of them in SEA

[copper shale]

close enough is good enough

[vale granite]

Nirv emblem is not nearly as good as you think

Compared to RL emblem I mean

Ofc it's better, but it's a diff of only a couple pts

[craggy sentinel]

• flat atk = mega whel

[glass nacelle]

Where's ss tona

Skem

[short knoll]

oh, more luna event rerun, luna dkey seem very real

[glass nacelle]

Boss looks paper even when disturbance is 554
https://b23.tv/hIvhHoF

[cinder lodge]

Luna dk before horb dk om

[glass nacelle]

Nah luna dkey = pain affix unless they don't buff her scale

[craggy sentinel]

nuh uh

new stig ez

[glass nacelle]

U still use lightning affix kek

[craggy sentinel]

nuh uhhhhh

[glass nacelle]

Nah ah

[craggy sentinel]

[glass nacelle]

[ember locust]

There is her mat in BP though... We might need more infos

[steep axle]

horb dkey first

[ember locust]

If DK there is both new weap and new stig, it's literally a must

[ember locust]

I think it will be like that too

💀💀💀 Wait I forgot ER and MA f*ck

[shrewd socket]

if LV DK pls be WS

[abstract night]

3 lightning WS
1 fire ws

[shrewd socket]

fire mid anyway

[ember locust]

It's either that or LoA or new AR

[shrewd socket]

delete ganesha stage

[abstract night]

WoD makes sense too

[ember locust]

Yeaah but seeing how much shes uses QTE too... LoA would also work

[abstract night]

Underwhelming gameplay 101

[shrewd socket]

double teri moment

[ember locust]

Unless they change her complete kit, WoD would just be too long for her

[ember locust]

Triple 💀💀💀... Oh wait nwm Teri Eepy has only WS and SS

[shrewd socket]

couple triple if RoO

[still vine]

do it

[ember locust]

WoD does work for Elysia bc her Ult duration is really long

Luna is litterally either spam Weap or Charge Weap and Ult

Currently

[abstract night]

WoD could (during SO) make it so that she consumes more of her bar in exchange for more dmg, sakundo state either makes her regenerate frenzy overtime or just after finisher makes her enter frenzy when u click on it of wtv

[ember locust]

Could work.

LoA would correspond to her current kit

Tbh that really depends on devs on if they plan to give a DK for her or not at all. And if yes, would they change her kit that much

Bc Ely's gameplay really didn't change that much

[abstract night]

All in all just copium

[muted mauve]

ew fire why not quantum.

[plucky cradle]

both

[ember locust]

Eeeeeeew Quantum 🤮🤮

Why not IMG

Or Light idk

[still vine]

what type

[feral epoch]

type counter

[muted mauve]

talking about weather.
if you're gonna give Sparkle something then let Teri also get a share smh

[plucky cradle]

eepy in 2025

delete her uglyass

[still vine]

yes but what type are we countering here

[feral epoch]

bio

[dry delta]

i heard word about an artbook

[feral epoch]

none

[still vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901268521181401108/1177898402235813898/alex-mendez.gif?ex=65742e5f&is=6561b95f&hm=f3141d9ee5928049a1bca71c5f915393c3bf5e35d22d83c5a5e4ccdcb41b014b&

[muted mauve]

The only news MiHoyo gives nowadays are the walls of shame

[plucky cradle]

lmao why are people still even hacking this game

[still vine]

brain damage

[short knoll]

sushang can't support her tho

sushang should be the bleed support for future dps

high chance for luna dkey to be the new ring type

[glass nacelle]

nah sparkle dps is very flop kek

they have to make new weather

tbf teri can also work in this weather without buff

[feral epoch]

teri win if not fire buff

WS is dead

[glass nacelle]

Ws : 2 weathers
Wod : 1 weather
Roo : 1 weather
LoA : 5 weathers

4 or 5 sth idr

Loa tank
Loa wolf
Loa duo mobs
Loa lantern
Loa homu

[thorny viper]

At least hoyokek knows Loa gameplay is peak

[feral epoch]

it's just dudu shill, what peak

[steep axle]

i have no idea how LoA works but it does

one time i spend 8 minutes on side stage and fail other time i get 750 on boss

[thorny viper]

i like the qte gameplay, it just resonates with me, WOD gameplay almost made me lose my love for the game

[glass nacelle]

where badum

[copper shale]

[verbal mountain]

sparkle dps

[feral epoch]

for non hofi users like me

[glass nacelle]

[plucky cradle]

sborkol in 2025

[glass nacelle]

ez skip

[scarlet sapphire]

Hey now, I'm sure those buffs that the HSR devs promised will save her
/s

[naive briar]

HSR collab 2

[glass nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlZcoLggL2E

[muted mauve]

Can probably do much better

770

[glass nacelle]

vita should be better

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1x5RGYWE2P

lantern time

[muted mauve]

I have enough dmg so I prefer the faster Rot.

[glass nacelle]

but she has damage to help you clear p1 faster

[feral epoch]

[glass nacelle]

whel

[muted mauve]

[fervent hinge]

Where even is this shit on glb I swear I haven't seen it once

[glass nacelle]

in your dream

[distant lagoon]

should come in the next weeks

[fervent hinge]

Surely

[muted mauve]

wait another 2 weeks

[muted mauve]

tasks take 3 weeks to finish btw since you can only get 4 points per week

truly daily login impact 3rd

[fervent hinge]

Bruh

[iron sentinel]

We've had this same event on glb before the hell are you talking about.?

Just not with those outfits

[fervent hinge]

Yo chill we haven't had the magical girl skins before and I don't recall the last one being this delayed

[muted mauve]

I don't recall a content drought as large as this one in the past few years

[iron sentinel]

I am chill

But yeah we'll get the outfits in a few weeks don't worry

[fervent hinge]

Idk whether to take pink coupons or veli skin

[glass nacelle]

+1 collection box

[fervent hinge]

Eww

[iron sentinel]

I think its on a timer so it'll expire at the end of the patch

[feral epoch]

what else can you do about it

[muted mauve]

?
Ask the dev team to be transparent.

[feral epoch]

[hasty cedar]

someone ping me when they announce vill-v adv again

[main goblet]

she's in the permanent shop in bp isn't she?

[hasty cedar]

holy shit is she?

[main goblet]

yeah #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[hasty cedar]

I CAN FINALLY QUIT THIS GAME

SSS VILL-V YOU WILL BE MINE

[main goblet]

lmao

[verbal mountain]

there's only 5 stamps there

maybe they refresh every patch?

but I doubt

[hasty cedar]

i hope so

i think buying the valk card is also an option?

[verbal mountain]

possibly

[hasty cedar]

i'm willing to do whatever it takes at this point, i have all the time and xtal in the world

and vill-v doesn't appear to be going into any other shops anytime soon

[scarlet sapphire]

What rank is your Vill-V at right now?

[gleaming imp]

One week away from ss1 snek

[hasty cedar]

ss

it'll take a while for sure

i literally have enough xtal to spend on another adv but alas, they're never running her again

[gleaming imp]

There is hoping they add her to gold witch orb or new Bp eventually

[scarlet sapphire]

Okay yeah, I'm afraid you'll have to wait for WT to get her all the way to SSS

[hasty cedar]

yep

but this is a step in the right direction

means that they've mostly given up on her being a valk that people would genuinely want to use

[muted mauve]

Vita
Tank with no Ely

[rustic stump]

Off topic a bit, but since dks don’t go with new AR, but previously established rings, which rings do you think HoRb (and maybe LV) might get?

[muted mauve]

No 4th Task???

Oh only 3 tasks are weekly. And then 2 are permanent

@fervent hinge Magical Girl Box is week 4

[fervent hinge]

damn

[rain isle]

I think I have all these?

Or maybe I don't have the red Seele one idr

[muted mauve]

Welp. Back to Genshin

[verbal mountain]

that's not really the case

i mean the chars themselves aren't the newest released ring but we have a whole sample size of 2

and hoh supports both LoA and ???

[rustic stump]

But LoA was already released a patch prior, so that ring wasn’t as new anymore and HoH Ring is WoD and it’s related tag harmonized shadow star and also HoFi is RoO, so it’s most likely dks not be used to reveal a new ring, but an older ring will be used, and night support the new AR attribute tags

[verbal mountain]

i mean yea makes sense for dkeys to not be the first ring release

possible they are alongside another char of the same ring tho

like hofi (roo) with vita (roo)

[rustic stump]

Probably that’s the case, but it could be like HoH, and HoRb (and maybe LV) will support an older ring with the new AR attribute tags for future viability if they felt like it

[shrewd socket]

watch dudu be the broke sup for new ring

[verbal mountain]

i doubt there will be one do it all supp for the new ring

prob depends on the chars

like how dudu was rlly bad without spork in 8.0

but more supps got released and now it's not as bad

[shrewd socket]

it's always the unit i have to skip

[ivory trout]

divine key release these days kinda feel like more expensive sp rank release for me

Anyway I feel horb will be WoD and LV as WS to go along with the teriri buff with eepy

[shrewd socket]

it literally cost half a SP gear on release

[ivory trout]

Indeed
I more refer how they don't really feel like a new S rank on releases

[rustic stump]

I feel like HoRb might be RoO instead and LV will be WS

[shrewd socket]

bc they aren't?

[verbal mountain]

idk for me they do feel like pretty major releases

not the same impact as a full new S rank maybe

[ivory trout]

Yeah, but since A rank is like no more in Part 2, DK fill that role

[verbal mountain]

but definitely feel the impact

finally having a psy dps in hoh is nice

and hofi key completely revived her as a dps + gave her good supp roles

[ivory trout]

Idk, Horb as ROO will be wasted potential
Watched out for her to be on field like a second before Vita take over the whole fight

[rustic stump]

Fair enough, but RoO cab support as many tags as hoyo allows a unit to have

[shrewd socket]

being RoO lets her still take her role as a phys support

no more crit malding for JDS

needs to be better than Sena tho

[verbal mountain]

horb will prob be either RoO or ??? methinks

[shrewd socket]

if ??? is summons then probably

[verbal mountain]

rn we have 4 S ranks from WoD, 3 S ranks from WS, 3 S ranks from LoA and 2 S ranks from RoO

[ivory trout]

WoD is 4 S ranks?

[verbal mountain]

oh yea with hoh 4 now

so roo is falling behind there a bit and vita wants another roo teammate

by that logic we should be getting another roo really soon

[muted mauve]

Vita likes Seele.
Vita is friends with the game's Admin.
Vita will make Seele RoO

[verbal mountain]

🧠

[rustic stump]

That solves it! HoRb will probably be RoO with 5 tags!

[ivory trout]

But I wonder what mode they will use for HoRb Stellar Outburst 🤔

[verbal mountain]

she'll prob just be in deer form for support and the short hair one for dps still

[ivory trout]

Well perhaps short hair as default if she's the leader, long hair as default for support

hope they removed or at least swap her ult button function when her dk releases

[rustic stump]

There most likely the case, especially in WoD and LoA teams

[robust crane]

when is sushang coming to live?

[muted mauve]

Sushang died and will become a zombie?

Jokes aside. 16 days for CN.

[naive briar]

carv bad live server is a proper name

[glass nacelle]

top score in vita is qte team ig op team

[muted mauve]

I know

[naive briar]

carv bad, no buli

[muted mauve]

[naive briar]

also just noticed bamboo Sushang hair was designed after Esther Yu

twin bunny tail is everywhere on tiktok and eshopping

[golden comet]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN 4 WEEKS UNTIL LEAP SUPPLY

[gleaming imp]

I’m excited for leap supply, my elysia will get a huge buff with thelema and with my ely at ss2 she’ll be hitting like a truck

[muted mauve]

sorry to tell you but it's way more than 4 weeks

[atomic coral]

on what boss tho, her bosses are gone

[golden comet]

Yes I know

4 weeks into 8.2

[gleaming imp]

On elys bosses

[golden comet]

Ugh.

[gleaming imp]

Hofin has a boss this patch and her dk is older than ely dk

[golden comet]

I need ely at leap or advanced bruh

[naive briar]

still thonking should I pull Bianka for Sushang

[gleaming imp]

If they follow the one data point of hofin then ely dk rerun should have ely adv

Though it’s a adv and not a leap so its not 90 and is 100 instead

[golden comet]

How many patches did it take for hofi to get her advanced after her dkey released?

[gleaming imp]

3, 7.8-8.1

3 patches is enough time to save up for a ely adv

Especially since 8.1 and 8.2 are 9 weeks and 8.3 is 8 weeks I think

So like 36k bare minimum from those first two patches alone bare minimum

[muted mauve]

8.3 is either 8 or 9. And 8.4 is the other.

[golden comet]

I'll have to pull thelema leap too
And then I need vita at some point

[gleaming imp]

There is waiting for vita leap, hers is on 8.6 assuming earliest possible leap supply

[terse tinsel]

any info about new Mobius skin yet?

[golden comet]

Have you seen anything about it or are you just hoping we get another?

[terse tinsel]

2nd one

[golden comet]

The anubis one? Idk how else to describe it

[gleaming imp]

I would like a new skin for my snake queen, it’s the year of the snake and she gets nothing

[naive briar]

suggestions?

[tired mountain]

she gets ranks from war treasury

[muted mauve]

how many xtals do you even have chibi

Web event in 37 minutes please

[gleaming imp]

Save your crystals for Rita, your dudu would appreciate it more

[terse tinsel]

I won't touch part 2 until sth really interesting happen

Let it marinate

[gleaming imp]

We’re in a major nostalgia shill phase of p2 so logically Rita should be inevitable

[naive briar]

near 40k

[muted mauve]

Maybe wait until the last few days of the patch when we will know for sure how good she is

[naive briar]

I will get baited with Sushang anyway, I just need to know if I should pull Bianka

[gleaming imp]

Oh then smol Dudu bait easy skip not even a tall Dudu

[naive briar]

asking for legit advice please don't meme answer

[gleaming imp]

Well in terms of smol Dudu for sushang she’d only be helpful for shieldbreak but you also get Dudu for img content as well and be able to brute force phys content that your sushang wouldn’t be able to do, do you have herrscher trio? If so then your Dudu would mostly only noticeably be used on img content and shieldbreak

[feral epoch]

???

she's not just used for shieldbreak

[gleaming imp]

Really?

Wait does she buff phys? I thought it was a p1 phys only thing

[muted mauve]

When this character has Fearless Vanguard, enemies take 12% more Physical DMG from her and 11% more Total DMG from the team.

With Law of Ascension activated:
● All team members break shields 80% more easily and this character further breaks shields 50% more easily.
● Characters protected by Law of Ascension deal 10% more Total DMG.
● All team members deal 15% more Physical DMG and 20% more Elemental DMG.

When the Astral Ring is activated, the wielder deals 19.5% (25% at 6★) bonus Physical DMG, and team members deal 8.9% (12% at 6★) bonus Total DMG.

Enemies take 7.1% (11% at 6★) bonus Physical DMG from the wielder.
When the wielder is Reign Solaris, team members deal 12.1% (20% at 6★) bonus Crit DMG and 12.1% (20% at 6★) bonus Elemental DMG.
Enemies take 2%/4%/6% bonus Total DMG from deployed characters (independent and exclusive).

When Charged ATK or QTE hits, or when entering Stellar Outburst, team members obtain Resplendent Determination which lasts 25s. Retriggering refreshes the duration. Characters with Resplendent Determination deal 10% bonus Total DMG.

● Resplendent Determination makes the character deal 10% more Total DMG.
● Resplendent Determination makes the character deal 16% more Crit DMG and Elemental DMG.

● When Law of Ascension is activated:
○ For every team member with Heavenly Shift, all other team members deal 4% bonus Total DMG.
○ When the user has Resplendent Determination:
◆ Enemies take 21% bonus Total DMG (cannot stack).
◆ All enemies are impaired and their DEF drops by 55%.
○ In Astral Ring Charging, enemies take 26% bonus Elemental DMG and 19% bonus Physical DMG from team members.
○ In Stellar Outburst, enemies take 32% bonus Elemental DMG and 24% bonus Physical DMG from team members.
○ Team members break shields 60% faster.

tldr. yes

No web event yet

[naive briar]

do I come back and bonk carv for an answer next week

[muted mauve]

ask the help chatters

[naive briar]

cn content

[muted mauve]

read pins

[naive briar]

I mean the number of people who are familar
stats can change nightly
nevermind I'll just skip

[muted mauve]

The people who know how to give you a proper answer are also aware of CN content.

[naive briar]

[copper shale]

rn it is a need

wait v3 and v4 tho

[naive briar]

[muted mauve]

welp, nothing

[glass nacelle]

v4 : if there isn't dudu in the team, sus -99% dmg

[naive briar]

then kuro sponsor me

[glass nacelle]

elybad

[still vine]

what boss

[smoky lintel]

Husk flower

[glass nacelle]

bcs her dkey rerun

[still vine]

you mean this thing? I thought took all the img bosses

[copper shale]

phys res giga high

used to block pe

[still vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197360988580761712/1331060992200937473/kitty-puke-puke.gif

[copper shale]

so yea dudu struggles as well

is husk flower tho

[still vine]

i don't know

[copper shale]

idk either i play with cn names

[glass nacelle]

No phys res, just img core is tanky

[copper shale]

rly

hmm maybe i misremembered

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

but yea core is also giga tanky

either way its not a dudu boss

[gleaming imp]

What happened to dudu taking all img bosses? , herrscher trio on top

[still vine]

[copper shale]

nobody said dudu was gonna take all img bosses

they have diff racetrack if u get what i mean

they compete diff bosses

[still vine]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-15901363242606965490

[glass nacelle]

Hod core ~10M hp
Flower core x5 ig

[nova osprey]

[glass nacelle]

And trio can kill img boss below 20% hp

[nova osprey]

So basicly a 10m dmg nuke

[short knoll]

badum has lot of hp lost right? i keep seeing grey number

[glass nacelle]

Similar to sena but all her atk

Multi targets

[rustic stump]

Same. I hope I get Thele even if I can’t get her weap, so I can spend on the Leap banner! Hopefully I can get the other missing weap in the next couple of patches

[vale granite]

Well, keep in mind that your standards are probs a lot lower compared to theafklord, Sushang should still be more than enough for Sinful-Agony without her

Probs even for RL

Though tbh idk how difficult JP RL is

CN is quite difficult if you were asking about it