🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[opal flint]

Is kiana team like

With Vita sparkle

[opal flint]

Pls god

🙏

[nova osprey]

Works

[final locust]

vita songque/vita dudu

[opal flint]

Oh dang

I have no sonque signature

[final locust]

vita hhe good too

vita sparkle idk

[opal flint]

Hhe whats that

[final locust]

hohe

[tranquil mica]

the next version is so crazy i want EVERYTHING hoh and her dkey are so gorgeous vitas costume is maddness and kiana looks so cooolll JESUSSSSSS

[opal flint]

Oi

[junior nova]

I have no song but I have spark, vita and spark for kiana is 2nd best team?

[edgy drift]

I mean "not good at all" is a big overstatement, it's just a bit behind Vita in dmg but not by a landslide either (and vita/sparkle - vita/sonq are pretty much equal for outburst rot)

It's basically all just boss and weather dependent

[junior nova]

I keep seeing dudu and vita with kiana on marisahonkai gameplay so I'm super conflicted

[opal flint]

What's the best team

[final locust]

in a vacuum sure but for sd boss jd will always be better

[final locust]

vita song

[junior nova]

God bless you bro

[opal flint]

💔

My song has no sign it Will be so terrible 😭

[final locust]

rip

[opal flint]

Pls lemme win the uhh treasure raffle

🙏

I explore the sign one

[abstract night]

I mean i do get extra dmg if i pull teri op right?

Cuz of the fancu qte

[edgy drift]

But for SD bosses Sonq is a massive boost (her own dmg + early break)
For shielded bosses Dudu is a massive boost
Kiana ult doesn't do that much so Sparkle doesn't have a lot going for her but prolly bis for MA for speed
HoH does weakpoint hits for tank and easy TF triggers that can maybe have a use
Vita is highest dmg buff but slow to apply it

[opal flint]

Why so SITUATIONAL

💔

I don't even have dudu

[junior nova]

RIGHT

[nova osprey]

Because thats how this game works

[junior nova]

Kiana needs like 50 teams apparently

I'm a goner

I miss the simple kiana trio

[nova osprey]

Its boring if u can just use 1 team and decimate everything

[opal flint]

Atleast Vita+sparkle+hofi Not too situational

[nova osprey]

Thats not vitas team

[junior nova]

Depends on each person

[nova osprey]

And vita doesnt even have any options besides cora hofi rn

[edgy drift]

that's what happens when every option is good

[nova osprey]

Thats why its not situational

[junior nova]

It has a lot of advantages for sure! Vita's downside is just slow pace in buff application, right?

[final locust]

vita downside is that shes slow yes

[opal flint]

Oh it's better with cora?

Idk that

[final locust]

more like thats the only team you can use for vita dps

[edgy drift]

sparkle does a total of nothing for Vita

[nova osprey]

Sprokle straight up cant support vita

[opal flint]

Owh

But is Vita+sparkle+Dudu good

[edgy drift]

Not with Vita lead no, Vita dps needs Dkey HFI + Coralie, no other option

[final locust]

no

[nova osprey]

Vitas only team is cora hofi

[willow pumice]

guys those situationals are for competitive players, if youre in rl or below you can literally just use any of these

[opal flint]

No i mean it for dudu

Bc many ppl use it i see

[edgy drift]

Say the leader first

[nova osprey]

Then say dudu first, and yes its good

[final locust]

no dudu uses song sparkle

[opal flint]

Oh mb

[edgy drift]

because who the leader is changes the entire team

[final locust]

vita slightly higher damage but painfully slow

[opal flint]

Vita so slow i agree

[abstract night]

I mean Kiana HoH Vita will be my team a bit of time... if its not good I could always choose someone else?

[edgy drift]

overall dmg lower too because Songque slaps and Vita doesn't (-50% lightning on phys weathers)

[nova osprey]

I mean, do u have anyone else with loa support tag

[final locust]

they overtuned song so hard for LoA she does hella damage

[junior nova]

What'd you say is the best option for just everything? Not for things nirvana/redlotus or 0.20% in ma but just everything, that's what I'm trying to figure out

[final locust]

THE LoA support

[opal flint]

It's all about SONG

[final locust]

may as well be sub dps atp tho....

[opal flint]

💔

[nova osprey]

It will always change depending on who u fight

[abstract night]

No?
I wont

[junior nova]

[final locust]

take one look at her buff numbers and youll see why its all about songque

and they fixed her one and only issue when supporting WoD

[edgy drift]

Well there's no everything, they're all ahead of each other depending on the fight.
Tho HoH is most likely always a lower option

[abstract night]

Thanks :')

[junior nova]

I don't even switch my herrscher trio team for phys weather I just want one for everything

[junior nova]

Good to know!

[final locust]

theres no one team for everything. this is not genshin

[junior nova]

All my characters that I use most are SSS

It's good enough

[final locust]

trio cant bruteforce everything, not even the strongest team in terms of dmg numbers (vita) are able to bruteforce every single weather

[oak yarrow]

theres no way vita is higher dmg

[willow pumice]

Youre asking if you can only pull two supports?
Then Vita +
either sparkle or dudu

[abstract night]

Tbf HoH is also a lot cheaper in terms of like pt2 ness
We just got her for free, and 60 pulls just for a dkey so +10 atk and yeah
So its not a bad tradeoff

[oak yarrow]

vita is just slower and less dmg

[final locust]

pretty sure vita is more damage

sparkle's speed and utility push her higher than vita

[opal flint]

Guys should i pull sparkle or dudu

[final locust]

songque is just a given for LoA

[oak yarrow]

sparkles speed utility and dmg push her higher than vita

[edgy drift]

she's slightly higher Dudu dmg per hit, but lower team dps overall

[junior nova]

Thank you

[final locust]

neither save for 8.1

[abstract night]

What about uh HoH?
I have S2 HoH if it matters (can get SS next patch)

[final locust]

yes thats what i mean

[final locust]

ranks do nothing for support

[abstract night]

They give her more dmg to deal >:)

[final locust]

but hoh is decent atm
shes also ??? ring so some future proofing there

[edgy drift]

Well for LoA personal dmg of each valk seems to have some relevance at least

a bit more so than the other ARs

[final locust]

hoh also free so dkey is no brainer everybody should be getting it

[edgy drift]

well free if you played last patch

[verbal mountain]

HoH personal dmg actually looks like a lot specifically for qte tank

[final locust]

si

[edgy drift]

which puts a lot of people in an awkward spot

[nova osprey]

Well at least hohe is in level rush if beginers are willing to spend

[final locust]

yeah shes like literally everywhere

shes in returnee supply too

so anyone can get her even if they didnt play last patch

just not for free

[edgy drift]

yes, and that's an awkward spot for a lot of people

returnee supply they should never pull and most likely can't anyways cause returnees don't have a crystal to their names (they could get lucky with the free ones I guess)

[final locust]

erm ackshully its anyway theres no s at the end

[abstract night]

Would the priority be HoH dkey > Kiana
Bc of the fact we dont know when the dkey will rerun?

[final locust]

if you have enough crystals for everything it doesnt matter

[abstract night]

[final locust]

but if you dont know you can guarantee everything its prob dkey > kiana

then teri asop bc shes really good

but u need SS unfortunately

[edgy drift]

erm akshually both work

[final locust]

erm ackshually anyways is gramatically incorrect

[abstract night]

U do?

[verbal mountain]

erm ackshually ackshually is gramatically incorrect

[final locust]

its just so normalized that its become acceptable

[final locust]

yes its just like songque

[edgy drift]

that's how languages work my guy

[final locust]

her regen is locked behind SS skill
like all of it

[verbal mountain]

Do you think languages were created before humans existed and set in stone?

[edgy drift]

you think the words you use were always written like that and always existed ?

[final locust]

except intensity recovery

[abstract night]

Isnt her appeal the extra fancy qte?

[final locust]

you arent doing that qte without ari regen

[verbal mountain]

both the extra stellar shift and ari regen

and crit rate for dudu

[final locust]

and that she's finally a dedicated aop for roo

[verbal mountain]

and good damage and buffs

[final locust]

well not RoO in general really just vita

[oak yarrow]

surely

[final locust]

shes better than song atm

[edgy drift]

eh, she doesn't give that much either way

The bulk of the regen will still be the qte chains

[final locust]

wdym?? she gives quite a bit

[edgy drift]

she might allow you to do 1 less qte

[final locust]

wut

[edgy drift]

LoA needs 200, they regen 10-15 per qte

[final locust]

and then all 3 drains

105 ari

then the second string of qtes

[edgy drift]

the qte regen isn't once per outburst

[final locust]

150 ari
then intensity recovery

should be able to qte quite often

[verbal mountain]

it does have a cd

[edgy drift]

she gives 8 base +2 per qte (if you don't qte too fast she has a 4s cd, so realistically only every other qte you get the +2)

oh never mind not per qte, only on stellar shifts

So +16 at most

[final locust]

is her damage good like sera?

[edgy drift]

her bonus regen really isn't that impactful (it'll surely help but it's not a massive dealbreaker)

[final locust]

she has a ton of self buffs

[edgy drift]

If anything that's the skill that makes SS something to chase

[verbal mountain]

core transfer DMG is hp loss right?

[edgy drift]

ye

[final locust]

wtf is core transfer

[verbal mountain]

img core

that's kinda huge for dudu

[final locust]

yeah her hp loss effect should be huge for dudu

[verbal mountain]

and kiana also has the mob link

[final locust]

bye mobius

not like shes relevant anyway tho

[edgy drift]

Oh yeah right, that's +6% on core dmg

wait that's dumb af

I didn't even think of that

[final locust]

and guaranteed crit for dudu

[edgy drift]

I mean yeah everybody expected that one

[final locust]

without eating up her crit dmg tho

teri looking like first must have aop tbh

[verbal mountain]

okay yea the more I think about the more I think that S teri is actually pretty good
the regen is obvs very good for RoO but for LoA, rn how many bosses actually need 2 outbursts?

[final locust]

RoO is gonna need it for her to pull ahead of songque, and theres also this

[verbal mountain]

dudu's bosses have giga fast times

yea that's the main appeal I see of SS, the DMG part

[nova osprey]

Wait does omniscient star also make up numbers for aop stuff or just lead buff

[final locust]

just leader

so vita team will be at a disadvantage in terms of that

but still a huge buff

shes already better than song

[verbal mountain]

comparing teri to songque rn for Vita at SS:
ARI regen: 44 vs 36
ARC damage buffs: 18% lightning dmg and 5.5% elem taken vs 15% elem taken
SO damage buffs: 23% elem taken and 5% tdt vs 30% elem taken

[final locust]

teri regen is 46

[verbal mountain]

It's 36 unless moriso posted wrong translation

[final locust]

at SS

its 36 plus this

[verbal mountain]

oh wait right

[edgy drift]

That's LoA

[verbal mountain]

No that doesn't actually specify

[final locust]

it doesnt say its exclusive to LoA tho

[edgy drift]

wait no the +8 works

[verbal mountain]

so 44

[final locust]

so 44

jinx

[edgy drift]

the +2s need the spears tho and the spears need loa

[final locust]

still more than song

she also has some initial ari but i dont think that beats song

[edgy drift]

yeah, well she won't be worse obviously

[verbal mountain]

she Has 8 over song but Vita doesn't need initial ari

[edgy drift]

it does

[nova osprey]

Song initial ari is locked to sena

[verbal mountain]

vita does 1 punch and SO is ready

[final locust]

sounds like teri is a bit better

[verbal mountain]

well obv they wanna kick sq to the dirt

[final locust]

people are forgetting songque still rules over WS SS sera was kicked out when hofi released and then buried when spork released

[verbal mountain]

but for non lightning teri is less damage

[edgy drift]

I think it just shows that they don't plan another RoO dps

[verbal mountain]

real

Coralie stays in Vita team kek

[final locust]

i hope they dont because RoO is boring

[edgy drift]

or at least not before long

[verbal mountain]

Or another a rank replaces her

[edgy drift]

They could release a new RoO support

[final locust]

chenxue

[final locust]

not without making them RoO as well

[verbal mountain]

Yea Vita needs roo not OS tag

[edgy drift]

Yes, but they don't have to be a dps

[final locust]

every p2 character is a dps

[verbal mountain]

are you saying they will release bait valk ez skip?

[edgy drift]

lantern isn't

[verbal mountain]

[final locust]

that's literally what she was made to be

and she still failed at it

[verbal mountain]

No she was made to be a hc bot

[final locust]

no she wasnt

she has like 57 thousand self buffs in her stigs wp and kit they just all somehow made her useless

[edgy drift]

He's right my uncle is Dawei I asked him

[edgy drift]

Did you know Coralie has a ton of self-buffs

[final locust]

lantern has more

[edgy drift]

she also has more team buffs

[final locust]

there is no way thats true

how is lantern so bad i dont get it

did they forget to overbuff her scaling by 3 times

[edgy drift]

Anyways that was just a joke I made because lantern dps sucks, it wasn't that deep

[final locust]

lantern flopped

so glad i didnt pull that flop and trusted the future proof of songque

played the long game

unintentionally

[edgy drift]

I'm glad I just don't

[verbal mountain]

Lantern for some reason has +103% fire dmg without AR activated in stigs

P1 lantern DPS after we get new P1 fire sup- oh wsit

[edgy drift]

Oh I wish to see people try HTR lamp spork

[glass nacelle]

meanwhile i have to use her in every patch => flop

[gleaming imp]

Lamp bad real since day one, I've been a lamp bad truther since beta

[glass nacelle]

can't find low rank ely tf

[plucky cradle]

lamp in 2025

[glass nacelle]

[plucky cradle]

no 2S Ely in 2025

[glass nacelle]

I mean her teammates too

[plucky cradle]

no 2S Ely teammates in 2025

[glass nacelle]

i forgot denwhel

[plucky cradle]

kurowheler

[glass nacelle]

poor duonigue

i realized if elysia is leader then thelema can also get SP. it's useful in MA

[copper shale]

perhaps for ss, but not sss, becuz majority will not be overkilling with s0

[final locust]

probably gonna be the best duonigue team

thelema dps with hohe lead somehow

[still vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001477633378369556/1054571912384225320/3x.gif

[somber egret]

That extra 8 is when Law of Ascension is activated

[final locust]

no its not, the extra 2 is

[final locust]

says nothing about needing LoA. assist attack is auto activated when you SO

[verbal mountain]

moriso mistranslation?

[edgy drift]

seems like it

[verbal mountain]

yea, top text is prob "when LoA is activated"

[edgy drift]

It is yeah, tho the skill is formatted weirdly

[verbal mountain]

hoyo things

[edgy drift]

because the way they lined it up the "when RoO is activated" falls under the condition of "when LOA is activated"

[verbal mountain]

Double AR activation when

[edgy drift]

and so we have no clue from that if the middle part is also LoA exclusive or not

[edgy drift]

well the extra shift is pretty much that

[somber egret]

Combat Effects confirmed it's LoA

[final locust]

well still better than sonk anyway

[somber egret]

Only LoA enters AR CD on AR Activation

[verbal mountain]

is HoH/kiana any good as dudu support?

vita jds is really cope at s0

[glass nacelle]

*vita

[still vine]

is she less cope at s2

[verbal mountain]

a bit less yes

[verbal mountain]

🅱️ita🅱️ad

[naive briar]

[willow perch]

[copper shale]

i can confirm

kiana er looks fun tho

just hop around and enemy dies

[short knoll]

real afk gameplay in er when

would be more fun if i dont have to do it

[feral epoch]

teri?

[short knoll]

you still have to press button no?

[dreamy tree]

wheres the fun if your thumbs don't sweat

[feral epoch]

why said gameplay then

just LITE/sweep ER mode

[short knoll]

good idea but i also could make adjustments sometimes if i want

having the option to go full afk or do minor input from time to time is good too

[quasi glen]

Play hhe

Just strap a rubber band on your lmb

[spice fern]

Since it’s announced, I wanna ask which old S rank I should pick? Debating for either HoT to SSS her, (DPS) Senti to SS her, or HoF to S2 her. Problem with HoT is that I already have 20 frags out of 150, so I don’t wanna waste some the frags since the selector will likely give 150 again.

[short knoll]

what you are using the most

[steep axle]

Is it HoF or HoFin

[gleaming imp]

Do you have LV and eepy Teri for your HoT? Do you have brick and 4/4 horb and 4/4 small Dudu or Prometheus? Do you have sparkle and hotruth for your HoFS?

[steep axle]

HoF had a weather problem so doubt she will be useful

[small wing]

So between Vita/Songque or Vita/Ely, which team comp is better overall for supporting badum kiana

No I don't have durandal or sparkle so don't ask

[quasi glen]

Shd be vita ely

[gleaming imp]

Manifestating

[small wing]

Fr? I heard ely as a support was hot garbage

[quasi glen]

Wasn't it the recco team

[small wing]

I don't think so no?

[smoky lintel]

that was on the post where they announced ely dkey they just showed what she could support not what the best team for kiana is

[quasi glen]

[glass nacelle]

finally low rank ref, but sera not
https://b23.tv/FZTZF2L

[copper shale]

even if it was, in general i wouldnt place my bets on the recommeneded team given by official

[nova osprey]

Well looks like im less cooked

Still cooked because no sera

[pseudo trellis]

What would a LoA team look like assuming the patch is 8.1

[random garnet]

does new kiana work with small durandal?

[still vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/941242872756318248/1236175512364122112/cat-nod.gif

[smoky lintel]

im not sure how good new kiana is in supporting LoA but for kiana it would be kiana,vita + any heavenly shift unit depending on the boss, dunno about how kiana changes dudu teams

[hoary mountain]

free mobius is about to change my life

[short knoll]

vita isn't the core support there iirc

[hoary mountain]

[smoky lintel]

kiana gains extra fire and total dmg when she is in elemental breach state

which only vita should provide iirc

[sinful crown]

[rustic sinew]

Yes they both have LoA tag

[hoary mountain]

god i hope they buff HoH soon i really want her

well the divine key and stigmata i mean

[sinful river]

Why Does Xiaohongshu (Random CN app) have more HI3rd artworks than Miyoshe (Mihoyo’s general CN platform)?

[short knoll]

well, it's LoA team, not just kiana, see ppl said vita is slow and lower dmg for dudu

phys weather -50% lightning

[smoky lintel]

yeah i was mainly refering to kiana here for dudu it still should be sparkle + sonque i was just unsure how kiana would be in supporting dudu so i didnt mentioned her hoping someone else would know

[pseudo trellis]

Does Durandal have heavenly shift?

[rustic sinew]

Xiaohongshu is a big platform for artists and cosplayers

[smoky lintel]

yes shes LoA so she also has LoA support tag

[pseudo trellis]

I see, Kiana Vita Durandal gotcha

[somber egret]

smol

[rustic sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/theresa-apocalypse-teri-teriteri-teri-vr-hueythefirst-gif-11919780914935888226

[prisma tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-down-angry-dissapointed-teri-teri-vr-gif-10001253996280331122

[glass nacelle]

Have u tested sena with new kiana support ? @somber egret

[ripe urchin]

what do you guys think about the new astral op? is she a lot better than Songque?

[somber egret]

can rough test on mobile today

still downloading beta on pc

[glass nacelle]

[naive briar]

took AI chan 2 days to download pc beta, don't push her

[somber egret]

Goodbye Thel

LMAO Badum Kiana is now the fastest to trigger 6 Resonance Marks

It trip me off when I just jump and quick na and all of her QME is gone

[naive zinc]

what if we double that

[somber egret]

[somber egret]

DPS result is a little bit higher than Thel too

[naive briar]

push

[rain isle]

Ain't HoFi Kiana the fastest?

[nova osprey]

Double kiana ws meta real

[steep axle]

I have more combo than my score

[rain isle]

Damn

[steep axle]

I get dudu weapon tomorrow trust

Im thinking of skipping 8.1

[somber egret]

same as thel

[steep axle]

Like i have no supports for ely or kiana

Might get ely weapon for dudu support but that would be it

Can ely support dudu

Or kiana dudu support

[nova osprey]

I mean, kiana dudu hohe is usable at least

Dudu kiana hohe too

[rain isle]

Wha, no way, HoFi is much faster

[steep axle]

I have vita too

[rain isle]

Just basic atk 1,2 then dodge into basic 1, 2 then combo atk and done

In like, 3 seconds

Thelema takes much longer XD

[ripe urchin]

who can replace Sparkle in Kianas team?

[nova osprey]

Either of them works

[steep axle]

Ok so vita kiana/ely vita for 8.1

what is wrong with me

Dudu kiana/ely vita team

I have HoFin for fire and vita for lightning

I can bruteforce HoH p1 team for ice

[somber egret]

no it's the same

Finality is much better pick cause she buffs the whole team on entry and has higher resonance dmg

You may argue she's the fastest, cause her combo atk on QME is skippable if you have Vita

[urban cloud]

Hmmm
Do I need thel for ely?

[nova osprey]

Yes

Seems non negotiable

[steep axle]

Does thel ely vita work

[nova osprey]

Yes

[urban cloud]

On no I don't have thel

[north karma]

Welcome to the club

[steep axle]

Dw you can just

[urban cloud]

Surely

[steep axle]

Better plan than mine

[north karma]

Amazing infographic thank you

[somber egret]

[glass nacelle]

[glass nacelle]

i thought duo kiana is fast

[nova osprey]

Is that 1 normal, 1 so rot?

[somber egret]

On stellar but not on charging

[somber egret]

Yes

[nova osprey]

I see

[void dawn]

i've seen people triggered the resonance instantly after they click basic attack but not for me for some reason??? there's always a delay for some reason, it feels like BA 2-3 instead of BA 1-2

skill issue #real

[somber egret]

N1 - Evade - N1 N2 - Evade - N1

[void dawn]

im gonna try that for a min

do i need my qte on?

[somber egret]

turn off qte

[void dawn]

still failed, yep. its skill issue alright

[somber egret]

she will flew if it's on that worsen her resonance if she's in midair

[void dawn]

figured it out, turn out her basic attack did not hit

im so stupid asdsddkdjsk

[rain isle]

[void dawn]

all i need to do is evade to the enemy for it to hit

istg her ba always miss for me

[somber egret]

Sparkle Songque seems good on SD Enemies Abyss too

got 10 more points than Vita

[novel elbow]

sparkle not useless ?

wow

[sinful crown]

she's always been useful

[rain isle]

People doomposted Sporkel to oblivion lol

@somber egret

Friend

[inner cloak]

Because she came after a patch that drained most people.
They needed her to not be good since they couldn't get her

[mortal osprey]

every valk before and after a spending event is legally required to be shit

[unique swallow]

I got s2 sparkle after ss+2 vita

[north karma]

She was called teri 2.0 on beta

And release

Planned on skipping until people said she was really good with dudu

Id he forced to use hofi instead

[bleak ibex]

Welp i got sparkle but no vita

Pulled on vita banner until almost hard pity and then got sparkle for cheap

Crazy how 28k crystals
Only gave me a kiana DK and not even a vita

[north karma]

If you already have trio id say only getting dkey isnt that bad

[rain isle]

Just save and be lucky

The rest is just coping

I got Vita 4/4, Waxing Moon, Sparkle 4/4 and I'll still be able to get the upcoming stuff with some luck as f2p.

[north karma]

Skipping dudu?

[rain isle]

Like, ofc I'd love to get every valk as well but I gotta skip some. And with p2 I can actually skip less if I'm a bit lucky since it is a bit easier to form teams.

[rain isle]

Well ye, it is CNY after her

Spending event etc.

[north karma]

I see

Well i am a madman

[rain isle]

I might do the discount 10pull tho, but I don't wanna risk getting Dudu

[north karma]

Everyone said they were skipping sparkle and i didnt

[lament summit]

wrong discord nobody saw that

[rain isle]

[north karma]

Just dont

[rain isle]

I rolled Sparkle mainly cause I like her a lot

[north karma]

Extra pity not worth the risk kek

[rain isle]

I am only 2 pity in, but ye

[north karma]

Oh not bad then

Im not sure how much dudu needs her wep tho

[rain isle]

I did it with Lantern debut and saved myself 5, but ye it is a risk

[north karma]

Like can she supp without it

[rain isle]

Chances are she'll need it

Like, 95%

[north karma]

99%

[rain isle]

Valks are almost always dependent on their weps

There are a couple exceptions from what I've read here but ye

[north karma]

[bleak ibex]

I already had trio with gear. Only thing missing is 2 bronya stigs

I can gret 1 more stig this bp seasoj

[rain isle]

[north karma]

Nice, bronya stigs are important

But make sure you get 7t too

They dont usually chuck out dkeys(that are free)

[short knoll]

pull sera instead of dudu maybe the best decision for me

cheaper but still a great help, feel like im at the point that an AO will have more value than a new valk

[rain isle]

Teri op definitely seems to have nice value so far, to my understanding.

[short knoll]

need SS iirc

[rain isle]

Since Vita and HoFi+waxing Moon teams also benefit from Teri op since she also has some buffs for RoO

[short knoll]

for energy regen

[rain isle]

Wait fr? Why tho?

Ah

Can't afford that

[short knoll]

not very sure, i recall her energy regen is SS

[north karma]

Saving for mei aop

[rain isle]

Ye you're right

A lot more AR regen at SS

[somber egret]

SS for Regen though S seems nice already for LoA

[rain isle]

Like oof

[somber egret]

That additional Stellar Shift

And 27% Crit Rate for smol dudu

[rain isle]

Ye, I hope that stays in S lol

[north karma]

Is it loa only?

[rain isle]

The Stellar Shift is LoA mechanic

[north karma]

I know

[rain isle]

[north karma]

[glass nacelle]

Ss or roo die

[short knoll]

would feel very bad to stop at S rank only

SS or burst

[rain isle]

coping that they add some of that extra regen at base idk

[north karma]

V3 COPE

[nova osprey]

V3 all nerfs no buffs

[glass nacelle]

Nice symphony team https://youtu.be/jOF-3vf3gdk

[rain isle]

[north karma]

No.

V3 will save us

[nova osprey]

It will make ss aop mandatory for loa instead

[glass nacelle]

We have many symphony teams now

[verbal mountain]

i mean the regen for loa isn't too high anyways, it's 16 which is pretty good but an additional qte is enough to make up for it

for roo tuff

[north karma]

what symphony weather do? Its not on da wiki

[short knoll]

8.2 new roo

[north karma]

lay off the copium man

[verbal mountain]

20%/30%/50% more damage for 1/2/3 different elemental valks on the team iirc

not including phys

[north karma]

Time to update it

[next echo]

Cutecutecute

[verbal mountain]

someone correct me if i'm wrong

[short knoll]

we got new RoO AO, no way 8.2 isnt a new RoO

[verbal mountain]

and vita needs to get rid of cora

[verbal mountain]

okay but the new RoO AO kinda sucks for non lightning teams, another lightning roo?

[glass nacelle]

Vita scale is still big now

[verbal mountain]

ig if they have heavenly shift tag she'll be pretty good

[craggy sentinel]

hohe dkey is kewl

me like

[short knoll]

get SS rank

[young grail]

So Elysia upgrade, who do you pair her with?

[verbal mountain]

and then hope new roo has HS tag

[verbal mountain]

thel and sena/vita, maybe lant

i've seen some lant showcases but idk how it compares to sena or vita

[north karma]

Hopefully no one is confused by my wording

[short knoll]

surely new RoO will have HS and locked tag

[glass nacelle]

Ss que is still better ari regen than theresa

[short knoll]

maybe no DR

[north karma]

[verbal mountain]

it's around the same tbh, maybe 2 or 4 more

[young grail]

I guess I'll still pull for Lantern. I need a fire dps plus Sonq support

[verbal mountain]

no

[young grail]

But Ely is Ely so screw it, I'll get the weapon

[nova osprey]

Do not backpull

[young grail]

Oh?

[north karma]

This should be pinned somewhere

[verbal mountain]

get kiana and ely dk if possible

[short knoll]

kiana will be your fire dps

[young grail]

In CN? Is this a general take or only because of upcoming banners?

[verbal mountain]

general take

[north karma]

General take

[verbal mountain]

there are very very few scenarios in which backpulling a valk is good

and lantern is already being powercrept to a degree

[north karma]

And please for the love of vita do not backpull lantern

[young grail]

Wow never heard that before. Where's this pin, in CN chat?

I got Vita

[craggy sentinel]

it’s pinned in nowhere

it’s just a rule of thumb in this game

[glass nacelle]

30 and 2 when using weap

[craggy sentinel]

nothing is worth backpulling and the ones people said were worth backpulling lasted for about 2 patches

[north karma]

Levita

Who was the other

[craggy sentinel]

sena

but like

[north karma]

Oh yeah she was busted on release

[craggy sentinel]

its just not a good idea

people raved about hotr too but that went nowhere

[verbal mountain]

yea, but it has a cd

[young grail]

This is worse than HSR what the heck?
Then again I'm a casual player, but even as a casual I feel the power gap

[north karma]

Tbf hi3 is older than hsr

[fervent hinge]

if you're casual powercreep shouldn't matter to you. As long as you build your teams properly and gear the valks you like a casual can retain redlotus even if they made non optimal investments (i.e., pulling valks after their release patch)

[short knoll]

this game has ranking system, ofc meta is more prominent here

[fervent hinge]

You only get fucked as a casual if you don't pull weapons, don't play daily or almost daily, and can't teambuild for shit

This is a competitive game but the ranking system is actually pretty forgiving below nirv and especially below RL

[north karma]

I’ve never heard of a casual gacha gamer that is so invested

[short knoll]

also depend on how you play, some player can be fine with random shit at low rank

[craggy sentinel]

you only really get fucked as a casual if you actually care about abyss and ma

[north karma]

In other gachas you can play maybe 2-3 times a week and keep using your year one units for 3-4 years

[fervent hinge]

[short knoll]

you dont play many competitive gacha game then

[fervent hinge]

I mean

[short knoll]

this game is nothing

[fervent hinge]

If you get one geared team here

[craggy sentinel]

i got overwhelmed when i tried to play epic seven

[fervent hinge]

You can use it to retain A3 and above for 3-4 years

[north karma]

Edited comment to make more sense

[short knoll]

smh my head

[north karma]

Cant spell

[craggy sentinel]

cancel

[craggy sentinel]

just be an a2 gamer like me

[fervent hinge]

The problem is this game doesn't reward people for playing inconsistently so if you don't ever get that team and gear in the first place ur cooked

And atp why play if you care about competitive gamemodes but don't play enough to make progress on them

[craggy sentinel]

exactly

[short knoll]

but it's boiling down to if that extra reward worth your effort, i know that many dont think it's worth

[fervent hinge]

Just login once a month and destroy sinful with your 0/4 waifu

[craggy sentinel]

idk why casual players complain about not being able to do abyss when all they have is smt like wc

[fervent hinge]

Well they want crystals, everyone does

[craggy sentinel]

ofc you wont clear abyss when all you do is just login once a year and do story

[fervent hinge]

But its like someone not picking up any shifts on their job then complaining that they're poor

Ofc if u don't do the work u get no crystals

[naive briar]

[craggy sentinel]

yeah kek

[young grail]

I just do Abyss, MA, and ER at this point

[winter pumice]

But people give me free crystals all the time for being me

[north karma]

I don’t really think this is too much of a problem imo

The competitive part of hi3 is a pretty small slice in the grand theme of things

[short knoll]

depend on your rank, redlotus vs a3 isnt big, but can be bigger

[fervent hinge]

If they're okay with being in A2 abyss or below yes

But some people aren't

[distant lagoon]

t50 myriad or suffering

[north karma]

Mald till you bald

[steel surge]

[strange lintel]

I play abyss to get more crystals to pull more new valk to get more crystals from abyss (I'm meta slave)

[short knoll]

btw, if the person think it's not a problem then powercreep should have no effect on them too, since a2/3 has almost no powercreep
if they complain about it, they do care

[unique swallow]

Anyone who cares about their abyss rank wouldn't be playing inconsistently lyowo

[fervent hinge]

You'd think

[misty lark]

should i ask dudu related question here and v8.1 spending event or beginner help? not sure about spoiler rules

[nova osprey]

U can ask in either, but if u want to ask in ch other than this u need to spoiler it

[glass nacelle]

[fervent hinge]

You can ask about future content in help channels as long as:

• It is spoiler tagged
• It is about account investment

It's in the pins of both channels too if this doesn't clear it up

[ember locust]

Thelema Vita is best in DMG
Thelema Sena is second
Thelema Lantern/Songque in last options

[glass nacelle]

idk why helia here

[fervent hinge]

#💁gameplay-help message

[ember locust]

Sad Helia too ☠️☠️

Are they going to rerun her gear for some reason ?

Either there's something sus coming or either placeholder

[fervent hinge]

XD wtf

They're rlly bullying her

[glass nacelle]

oh i forgot it's her stigma

[north karma]

Why the cat themeing

[fervent hinge]

Nah they def made her look more sad

Am I tweaking look at her mouth

[north karma]

Its the eyes

[plucky cradle]

bro forgor

[ember locust]

☠️☠️☠️ I won't be surprised if the next valk in 8.2 is Helia in RoO

[north karma]

Def not

[fervent hinge]

Or new ring type

[ember locust]

Would be epic tbh, ngl

[fervent hinge]

Still too early for that I think

Maybe 8.4

[north karma]

Bleed p2 when

[ember locust]

Huuh isn't there like 3 members of ??? rn ?

Or at least 3 supports of it somehow

[misty lark]

helia s rank release maybe, her hearts is bleeding now😭

[fervent hinge]

Oh kiana has it?

[north karma]

Ely

[nova osprey]

Ely kiana dudu has it

[ember locust]

Ely, Dudu, Kiana

[fervent hinge]

I only heard about dudu and ely ic

Not impossible then

[glass nacelle]

??? tag = bait, ez skip

[fervent hinge]

Idk look at LoA xD

No stellar shift no dmg

[north karma]

??? Tag is fomo ez skip

[ember locust]

Look at them making it meta

[north karma]

Every tag so far has been pretty well balanced id say

[glass nacelle]

I realize 8.1 lasts 9 weeks if nothing changes

[ember locust]

I was meaning like making weathers of it

[nova osprey]

9 weeks

[north karma]

Oh yeah they did that

[misty lark]

first 10pull with 50% discount as well, never been so lucky

[ember locust]

W T F, 9 w e e k s 💀💀

6 is already sometimes long

But 9 !!!!

[north karma]

Congrats but please #📿gacha-salt🧂

[sinful crown]

life is unfair

[ember locust]

They definitely could place another character or multiple reruns WTF

[misty lark]

original plan to get dudu for v8.1 for spending event, discount is hard to slip by since i plan to get her as well
i dont have sparkle or jovial deception,
only have vita, thelema, senadina, cora and helia
part 1, i have misteln and HoRebirth
should i wait for v8.1, spending event to pull the rest of weapon and stigmata? to get more reward for spending event
i want new tuna and
HoH dkey(depend on remaing crystal) for v8.1 as well
advise is appreciated, Thanks

[glass nacelle]

It makes sense that Teri AO banner lasts 6 weeks

[north karma]

“Get dudu for spending event”

[ember locust]

So basically from 20th february to 23th April 💀💀💀 for global servers

2 months long patch

[north karma]

Wonderful

[ember locust]

There's something sus

[edgy drift]

9 is surprising, we've had 8 for CNY patch but I don't think we ever got 9

[sinful crown]

[north karma]

Amogus

[sinful crown]

9 weeks is too much

[north karma]

Not final guys lol

[cinder lodge]

oh hi britt

[ember locust]

J e s u s

[sinful crown]

hello

[ember locust]

3 banners reruns moment

[steep axle]

hi

[misty lark]

most of my luck is averange to hard pity 🫠

[dense harness]

if patch last 8/9 weeks, does it means the spending event is gonna be longer than 4 weeks

[steep axle]

p1 equipment banners aah

[sinful crown]

oh , this means that ur gonna get more lucky in the future then

[steep axle]

oh hey another long patch

when was last long patch

[sinful crown]

[feral epoch]

7.3

[stable pewter]

How is V2 looking for 8.1

[steep axle]

what was 7.3

[dense harness]

how long was it again

[stable pewter]

7.3 was Sena patch

[steep axle]

i think i was gone then

yeah i deleted the game then

[stable pewter]

The start of part 2

[steep axle]

6.9 was last patch i seriously played

[feral epoch]

8 weeks

[ember locust]

I don't believe it a single second, even FoV reruns but as ADV and stuff only in 8.0

[sinful crown]

cny

[feral epoch]

maybe will happen again next year every cny patch

[misty lark]

my weapon luck sometimes is good, need 20pull, tat may have cancel out future luck, i hope not, haha

[steep axle]

my wifi is not ok

[stable pewter]

It really was really long

[misty lark]

they want part 2 begin to be special maybe

[dense harness]

ooh spending was 6 weeks, nice

[stable pewter]

I still regret pulling on Helia equip banner

[dense harness]

i had forgotten

[ember locust]

They had time for 4 reruns lol

But yeah Teri AOP banner is 6 weeks long. Which means Kiana's banner might be 6 weeks long too, we could have 3 additional P2 reruns

[misty lark]

i dont regret, im happy😀

[steep axle]

this image looks funny kinda

im taking it

[north karma]

HOW MANY RERUNS

WHAT

[ember locust]

@stable pewter And since only Vita, Sparkle and Sena are not in the Carnival... We have our candidates (and Dudu)

[steep axle]

thats like normal amount

[dense harness]

do you perhaps have 7.0 as wells ?

[steep axle]

events are kinda crazy tho

[ember locust]

It's almost sure, they're gonna rerun 3 of those

If that's like last year

[steep axle]

hope they rerun blonde girl

dudu lowkey needs her

and i use HoF dudu vita

[ember locust]

She can defs rerun, generally P2 valks reruns in the next patch after release

[steep axle]

i wasnt here when she released

[ember locust]

(Except SIMP who reran 2 patchs later)

[steep axle]

8.1 will be hard for me

[ember locust]

Blonde girl ?

[steep axle]

blonde girl

green one

[ember locust]

Huuuh

[north karma]

Who

[steep axle]

green orange one

[north karma]

Not aponia right

[feral epoch]

they have so many bugs to fix etc

[steep axle]

is aponia blonde

[ember locust]

Senadina ?

[little ledge]

[north karma]

Yes

Shes blonde

[steep axle]

isnt her hair light brown

[north karma]

Are you talking about songque aop

[ember locust]

Oooooh

[glass nacelle]

ye it's 6

[ember locust]

I think I understand

[steep axle]

whats a aop

[north karma]

Stop trolling

[ember locust]

You mean Songque Herrscher like form : JDS ?

[steep axle]

ojh yeah that

dudu support

[ember locust]

She's in the Carnival reruns

[dense harness]

ah yeh, i had not paid attention, i'm such a gacha player

[steep axle]

damn i need to get thelema from that

ill probably use dudu ely vita in that case

[keen patrol]

Hows Ely Dkey?

[steep axle]

eh

[north karma]

Whel

[steep axle]

f2p

f2p since 4.6

[glass nacelle]

not good not bad

[feral epoch]

nice

[north karma]

Bad

[feral epoch]

any dkeys is good

[keen patrol]

And hows new Dudu for part 1 valks?

[steep axle]

eh

[keen patrol]

😄

[steep axle]

just make sure to not use her 2/4 like me

[north karma]

Noobies shouldnt care but the fomo is powerful

[steep axle]

dudu weapon tomorrow trust

[north karma]

She bad as p2 valk

[little ledge]

"The better TA"

[ember locust]

Not bad not that good either

She's alright in DPS but shines with ranks. Her WoD support is not good and her LoA support is okayish

[steep axle]

s2 ely

[feral epoch]

gonna be missing 20 atk just from p2 dkey synergy

[steep axle]

im in a3 why am i worrying about meta

[keen patrol]

Having only Sena and Vita for part 2 really starts to take a tool on my acc 😄

[steep axle]

god i love a3

[ember locust]

Gl once you are in RL lol

[feral epoch]

me noobies

[steep axle]

im in rl rn gonna drop later

i used trio on otto didnt end well

[ember locust]

Crazy how they punished Prometheus before Hare

Hare needs to get out

[north karma]

LMAO

[ember locust]

[steep axle]

got gaslighted by one video on yt

it seemed to easy

[north karma]

Im sorry i canrt

[ember locust]

The IMG mobs are so absurdly tanky lmfao

[little ledge]

Lmao does she even have any bosses now

[ember locust]

Wtf

[feral epoch]

it is easier than the one on released patch

[steep axle]

one always dies later for no reason

[ember locust]

Aponia Dom, that mf f*cking boss weather

[north karma]

1

[feral epoch]

they nerf the hp mob and boss

[little ledge]

Ah and then it’s so rare

[glass nacelle]

dudu doesn't have it

[ember locust]

Hare has always been a niche valk

[keen patrol]

Part 2 bosses finally are able to kill my valks like wtf

[steep axle]

have what

[ember locust]

Who does have that ? (If Ely, big W)

(I KNOW, I cope)

[steep axle]

what is that

[somber egret]

Kiana

[ember locust]

OwO Making Kiana even more interesting

[keen patrol]

Doesn't new Kiana need Songque to work?

[somber egret]

Kiana is almost like in permanent Augmented State

[ember locust]

HoFi + Sparkle/Sena
Or JDS + Vita

If I remember well

[somber egret]

She works even without, but it totally hurts without Songque on SD-Type Bosses

[ember locust]

Correct me if I'm wrong @somber egret

[keen patrol]

Yeah I miss one valk from these teams anyway so ops

[glass nacelle]

that's why i don't see ARC buff kek

[bleak ibex]

Turgenev 2pc is okayyy

[ember locust]

Kiana hungry ?

[ember locust]

@north karma To precise : Turg TB

[feral epoch]

how is kiana gameplay, clunky like other fire valk or no

also when does her tap wp needed

just when her bar full?

[ember locust]

Can do big ass nuke with Stellar Shift 💀💀

[feral epoch]

hold basic atk doesn't needed in the ground?

only in air?

[somber egret]

Personally, I only have 1 issue at S-rank, she doesn't get full KE at 4 Basic ATK, but not a big issue just do weapon after NA4.

I first thought it is a bug, but one of her SS-rank Skill gives 40 KE on QTE entry which fixes that issue

[keen patrol]

It feels weird that new Kiana looks like Knight Kiana skin 😄

[somber egret]

Besides, animation on that follow-up weapon gets cancelled if you tap Weapon Combo fast enough

[glass nacelle]

ew skem

[somber egret]

Currently, she's the fastest to trigger Resonance Marks and Stellar Drain

[feral epoch]

how did he trigger tf in the opening?
https://youtu.be/xgH5sSoS25c?si=p4Nn9lk4LQlyp5cH

[somber egret]

171 SP, that Kiana is above SS-rank

[steep axle]

im cooked in 8.1

[feral epoch]

oh

Ig that's why I can't trigger tf

[glass nacelle]

s2 skill kek

[somber egret]

The skill is unlocked at S2

[feral epoch]

so i just jump and did hold atk for it

skem video

[somber egret]

I used her Ult to trigger Song QTE

[steep axle]

hope i get songque or thelema from free pulls thing

sd team or ice team

[feral epoch]

un buffed ult

[steep axle]

how often do ice weathers appear nowdays

[somber egret]

She gets Ult fast enough with Sparkol anyway

[ember locust]

Rarely

[steep axle]

ill skip ely dkey then

[plucky cradle]

not until next patch ig

[steep axle]

p1 ely bruteforce will be real

[nova osprey]

Should be appearing more as ely dkey comes out

[north karma]

[plucky cradle]

also mech type counter

[north karma]

Evil devs

[nova osprey]

Just get s2 ez

[plucky cradle]

also support for new AR soon

[steep axle]

i either get songque or ely

[nova osprey]

New roo with ??? Tag

[ember locust]

I'm beginning to regret not having Sparkle

[steep axle]

hope i win valk box from raffle 😭

im cooked

[north karma]

Holy shit sparkle stonks are breaking the ceiling

[steep axle]

i hate part 2 like wdym i cant skip a valk bc next one uses last one as support 😔

[north karma]

First dudu now kiana(if nothing changes kek)

[plucky cradle]

sporkol in 2025

[north karma]

Sparkle getting lots of shill as a support

[ember locust]

Sparkle being more useful than SIMP

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[somber egret]

[steep axle]

whos SIMP

[north karma]

[ember locust]

Teri Teri bricked and condamned to be Teri Tericula Luna only

[mossy escarp]

Bye sena

[north karma]

Sparkle will unbrick ur kiana and dudu

[smoky burrow]

that vita skin looks amazing

[ember locust]

Why did they make Sparkle's DPS gameplay ass (outside of ER) 💀

[nova osprey]

Dam seas actually close in rl d

[feral epoch]

what if, new LoA with Omniscient Stars, ???, tags

[north karma]

Does anyone even care about os

[nova osprey]

Well she wont be able to support vita because she specificly needs roo

[north karma]

Vita doesnt

[nova osprey]

[nova osprey]

Well every lead skill cares

[ember locust]

We're also catching up SEA lol

[nova osprey]

Eu and na is eternally -9/-10 from sea

U increase we increase

[ember locust]

Just a few months ago, we were far away lol

[glass nacelle]

nice bracket

[mossy escarp]

Catch up with kr kek

[glass nacelle]

ded

[nova osprey]

I dont think its possible to catch up to kr

[ember locust]

Me possibly going back to AgoIII after tank

[north karma]

Insane brackek

[glass nacelle]

[zinc gorge]

guys whats the recommended rank for ely with the new dk to safely retain rl

and pls dont say "as high as possible" im f2p

[glass nacelle]

as low as impossible

[north karma]

SS really good for her

[north karma]

[zinc gorge]

4 fragments away from ss lesgo

supply shop has her stamp right

pls say it does

[north karma]

8.1 yea

[unique swallow]

TIME TO WHALE

[nova osprey]

S0 is dead, s2 is less dead, but still dead, ss seems to do the job

[zinc gorge]

yay

[nova osprey]

[zinc gorge]

how about ss1

[unique swallow]

I got ss+2 vita and HoFi dkey surely I can get ss kiana and hoh dkey

Oh shit but there's Teri too

[zinc gorge]

is it good enough to go for

what does her ss1 even do

[unique swallow]

Like you'd have enough crystals to get ss1

[nova osprey]

For ely

[unique swallow]

Oh

It's additional multiplier on finisher

But not sure if it actually applies to the new ult

[zinc gorge]

probably yes

[unique swallow]

Probably no

Nah jk

[zinc gorge]

they wouldnt wrek a whole rank just because she has new merch right

[unique swallow]

I'm not testing that though

[unique swallow]

S3 and SS3:

[north karma]

Ideally you want sss tho

Ely too old

[zinc gorge]

wait her ar lead skill doesnt even upgrade with ranks?

[unique swallow]

Wow I can't believe we didn't figure that out

Thanks for contributing that enlightening piece of information to the conversation

[unique swallow]

Have you not seen hofi

[zinc gorge]

i only have her at s2 so nah i havent noticed

it just disappeared?

like completely?

[unique swallow]

It didn't disappear

It just doesn't affect the dkey leader skill because

Well

It's a different skill

You still get atk and shit

[zinc gorge]

damn

it'd be cool if it actually upgraded the ar skill instead of just vanishing lmao

the bonus stats are just given

imagine a rankup that doesnt even add more stats

[glass nacelle]

ely lead skill can compare with ss3 thelema bro

[rain isle]

Like u

[rain isle]

:o I see

[rotund ravine]

if 8.1 is 8/9 weeks does that mean ely DK lasts more than 2 weeks?

[spice fern]

Lunar Vow is at 2/4 w/ weapon, and Teri if full stigma w/o weapon.

Full brick set, full set for bot HoRb and Prom

Full set Sparkle and can get HoTr next week for BP, and I guess 3/4 with weap next patch

[glass nacelle]

ye sea follows CN D kek

-3D kek

[mossy escarp]

Ded server

+1D bili kek

[glass nacelle]

ye ios 512 now

[edgy drift]

we all do with some exceptions sometimes

[glass nacelle]

[lone grove]

1 second before disaster

[ember locust]

Possibly

[ember locust]

SS is better

[ember locust]

Now idk if I should pull for more Kiana or Teri AOP, thank you

[glass nacelle]

both

[ember locust]

My F2P ass ain't doing it unless it wins Raffle and Crystals Share

[verbal mountain]

aop before ranks

you don't need either (it's way more comfy with aop tho lmao)

[ember locust]

Always gonna be like this : Valk & Gear > AstralOP > Ranks

[abstract night]

That feels sad

[verbal mountain]

valk needs ss or bad real

vita 2.0