💁gameplay-help

[weak drum]

especially when the one who asked the question is a new player who is clueless about hi3’s meta scene

[eager smelt]

the irony is so strong

[weak drum]

shuddup awa

[dusty dagger]

Wow so mean

[steady osprey]

pft

[weak drum]

ok back to @inland ravine sooo are you asking like what’s good to pull and stuffs like that?

[obtuse lintel]

[still warren]

ok if I had to say one thing to defend myself, I mostly used the team recommended in abyss whether or just copied the guy before my to go through it and thought those were meta. so I'm not saying I'm right just that I did the same thing I told him

[pale palm]

I stop playing story long time ago(when I was able to control Leylah for the first time)
From then until now,do we get any chards for Entropy to increase her rank

[weak drum]

since “what teams are good” would take awhile for me to add in all of the disclaimers that comes with it, there’s already a vid telling you what teams are used in last patch n stuffs

[inland ravine]

Not exactly I was asking where to get meta for a friend

[weak drum]

its fine, do try to not follow the ingame recs since sometimes they can be absolutely hot garbo

[steady osprey]

no, we still using SS DS

[weak drum]

to… get meta?

[still warren]

understood

[dusty dagger]

Yeah chapter 10 this patch

[quasi pier]

tierlists don't really work here

[dusty dagger]

Not out yet tho

[weak drum]

oh a tierlist

[inland ravine]

Like the tierlist imagine any other hoyoverse game, that’s what they asked for

[weak drum]

pong

[dusty dagger]

Bro

[weak drum]

THE IMAGE IS JUST A MEME BTW

please dont actually follow that

[dusty dagger]

Stop using the embed with the image still in it

[still warren]

pet the cat

[weak drum]

brother thats what i could find

[steady osprey]

hi3 is a competitive gacha game, tierlist value is unstable/constant changing

[weak drum]

the last faq tierlist in this shit hole was a year ago from sairaan

[inland ravine]

Oh

[obtuse lintel]

well, in most cases, at least from A3 and above, the best teams are what the first places are using

[weak drum]

cay do your job and refresh the faq with a !faq tierlist @dusty dagger

[still warren]

that's what I'm saying 😅

[weak drum]

if you follow that then you’re guaranteed to just ruin your acc

[inland ravine]

Yes yes I see

[weak drum]

so tell your friend to join this dc server and tell them to just ask here

[steady osprey]

its like tierlist of an early access game. it get outdate very quickly

[weak drum]

all the advices provided in the help channels will almost always be meta oriented unless told otherwise

[inland ravine]

I will, I think they’re already busted though because they’re top 0.10 percent in something

[elfin parrot]

First of all the substance of this topic is actually quite complicated. You'll have to bear with us for a while.

To answer your question directly, we have resources in the pins here on places to search, and some people may also post resources in #video-creations. However this is honestly pointless if you don't know what you're looking for.

There's no general way to sum up the meta in HI3. Late game expands to many scenarios that are too different from each other. The true meta is specific to each scenario. This is how HI3 emphasizes many valkyries at once, and why I pointed to those places earlier for searching specific fights. You also compete against other players later on. It's not like other hoyo games where you just need to be good enough.

Now this sounds unreasonable because it may make you feel there's too much to catch up on, or you need to pay alot. None of this is true but it will take time. If you're meta f2p, it's just not feasible to try to catch up on older content. It's most efficient to let the older meta fall off, while keeping up with the newer releases (s0 valk and their syn1 weapon) the best you can (you will skip once in while). With enough time you will get enough newer stuff to cover many scenarios and "catch up" that way.

[still warren]

there is no way you can 100% brick a gacha game account

[inland ravine]

They just never checked if there was a meta

[weak drum]

im assuming that they never broke through the level celling?

because 80 isnt the actual max level of this game, its 88

[inland ravine]

I wouldn’t know all I know is that they hit big numbers with the Hi Elysia

[steady osprey]

btw the meta is decided by hoyo. they do that by presenting different bosses and weathers. sometimes old valks even get promoted

[weak drum]

everyone can do that with gears and good supports

[elfin parrot]

did you confused kithi with me? wtf...

[weak drum]

wait what…

ok im blaming this prof color

sairaan plz dont bean me

[inland ravine]

Yh I haven’t seen their other characters just yet

[weak drum]

nvm im sending you threats in dms sairaan

[meager hornet]

since im lowk impatient im asking this here too, who can i use for abyss if i dont have seele

[weak drum]

“meta” is a very vague thing, especially when you want me to tell me what it is

[elfin parrot]

oh i thought you meant who last made one

not who last used the command lol

[weak drum]

dudu if you have her

[still warren]

I hope next April hoyo makes it so we can only use p1 characters for abyss which were released in the 1st year of the game XD

[meager hornet]

i dont <///3

[inland ravine]

It’s understandable, I assumed it’d be as straightforward as the other games

[steady osprey]

some guys here use jds

[weak drum]

ps, she’d be typecountered tho so have fun with that

[inland ravine]

I mainly play hsr so I didn’t know how complicated it would be

[weak drum]

naw thats crazy

[inland ravine]

And the meta is VERY straightforward

[still warren]

oh boy

[weak drum]

jds lead in the big 25 smh

[meager hornet]

[elfin parrot]

HSR is just very different from this game even if they share the honkai label and are from the same company. Try not to relate anything to it

[weak drum]

you can also try using loa jds btw

[steady osprey]

i saw some guys here use jds

[elfin parrot]

there are some relations you can make if you know the game enough but there's just way too many costly problems with trying to make conclusions

[weak drum]

jds lead is uh, not fun

[still warren]

welcome to pvp gacha game ig lmao .. though it's mostly point based

[meager hornet]

who idk the shortcuts for the names <//3

[elfin parrot]

!faq glossary

[night parcel]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[weak drum]

songque, glossary in #👶beginner-help pins next time

[weak drum]

smh profs and their commanda

stealing from small time helpers like poor old ches

[meager hornet]

alr tyy

[obtuse lintel]

basically, the meta is mostly the last released valks, and even there, its not as easy as saying "this is the best team", since abyss changes 2 times per week, and each boss requires different teams, so i cant tell you "the best team" when next abyss will require another team.

The best thing you can do if you dont know what to play in abyss, is search in Youtube "honkai impact abyss", or directly come here and ask what team is recommended for today's abyss

For Memorial Arena its pretty much the same, each boss has different teams, and it changes every week, so you can do the same i said before, search on youtube or ask here, or you can also see what the people in the rankings window are using

And for Elysian Realm you can play pretty much whatever you want as long as you choose the proper signets

[dark phoenix]

imagine adding leaderboard to HSR and endgame content change 2 times a week

[obtuse lintel]

[still warren]

oh jubus

[weak drum]

hi3 but turn based lmao

[still warren]

it's gonna be called RAGNAROK

[steady osprey]

basically just dont use ele dps coz SK has accumulating ele resist

[still warren]

btw do we still care for the leaderboards in hi3rd except for the rewards?

[elfin parrot]

who is we

[still warren]

dang

[elfin parrot]

if it's not for the rewards then it's more up to you

[weak drum]

i dont understand the question

like what is there to care aside from the xtals in leaderboard?

[elfin parrot]

but otherwise the reason why we generally recommend meta is because of the rewards

[steady osprey]

if u mean inside bracket

[elfin parrot]

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[dark phoenix]

look at MA for leaderboard with no reward

[still warren]

yeh..

[dark phoenix]

some still care but not much

[weak drum]

just look at the event’s lb

[elfin parrot]

yeah MA leaderboards only give AW which is pretty unimportant to stress over

[weak drum]

literally no rewards at all and we have awa malding hours and hours of his life away for 10k

[elfin parrot]

regularly per week (without events), you can expect to get roughly 2k crystals

but half of that is literally from abyss

[still warren]

true

[elfin parrot]

which is the main emphasis of the meta

[steady osprey]

he like playing vampire survivor

[weak drum]

breakdown:
1k from abyss
500 er
dailies + ma is like 460 or smt

[quasi pier]

awa malds for the love of the game

[elfin parrot]

there's layers to it all ofc so you can find your own balance of meta/casual

[still warren]

tbh ER does help a bit with generation more gems

[elfin parrot]

ER is a quarter of your weekly income so yeah

[weak drum]

i found mine

[still warren]

I need to find mine .. soon

[elfin parrot]

it takes time

especially when you're new and don't have much or don't know much yet

[weak drum]

i just pull for whoever i want now, its just that the valks i want are always the debut valks

[still warren]

I'm not new btw .. just took a 2y brake

[elfin parrot]

treat yourself as new then

[still warren]

LMAO

[weak drum]

took a 3 years break for me

[weak drum]

2 years, the meta already changed way too much

[still warren]

fair

[elfin parrot]

idr how long my hiatus was but you guys can win in that category lol

[weak drum]

you’re basically a new player without a starter event atp

[weak drum]

les go

[still warren]

yeh...

[weak drum]

i am committing one of the worst sins of gacha pulling as a f2p tho (small goldfish but whatever)

pulling for s y n s

oh and gacha aops and their ranks

[still warren]

HAHHAHH

man got ultra scammed

[weak drum]

wdym scammed

i wanted the aop rank and i wanted the dkey syns

and i couldnt care less about being optimized with my pulls

so i just went for it knowing full well what will happen

[still warren]

ok be honest with me .. does DK buff help in the long run?

[weak drum]

the +10 atk does help but only if you’re heavily malding in nirv

[obtuse lintel]

in that time, the game changed even the way we make teams now

[weak drum]

you’ll be collecting dkeys without even knowing it tbh, it just kinda happened for me

[still warren]

that's just hard core copium

[weak drum]

no it actually does make a difference

[still warren]

wait really?

[obtuse lintel]

not only one, but when you start collecting all of them

[quasi pier]

in nirb where people have 6 way ties fighting for 1 point leads, it matters

[still warren]

gotta catch em all

[weak drum]

for most its just a 1-2 points dif yeah, but when you realized that you’re like 120 atk behind a player because you didnt bother with dkeys

yeah… it’ll be very obvious

[dark phoenix]

dkey does help if you want to try to play somewhat seriously

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, +10 atk wont make your score go up by 100, not even 50 i would say

[weak drum]

just 1-2

50-100 is ranks and knowing how to rotate the team territory

[obtuse lintel]

but when we are talking about +10 for a lot of DK's

wekkm that makes a difference

[weak drum]

also if you’re trying to seriously play the game and is trying to follow a ref

[dark phoenix]

if you dont try, your personal mistake during the battle will nullify all the buff

[weak drum]

being like 200 atk behind the ref will just make your life horrible because you’d actually need to be creative and find ways to cope with the run

[obtuse lintel]

both matters, but yeah, is mostly about rots

[elfin parrot]

here's an example of being one point off from a significant threshold (although in my case i prob could've done better)

[weak drum]

again, all of this wont matter if you’re just casually playing

yk, playing story, pulling whoever is cool or beautiful to you

[elfin parrot]

it's not uncommon the higher you go. Think about it. Other people who know what they're doing will have the same valks and play similarly as you do.

[weak drum]

it boils down to who has the higher stat

[elfin parrot]

At that point what separates you from other people are going to be finer differences and details

so yeah the stats, or really being attentive to how well you play

[weak drum]

oh sairaan who do i use for hle in the sd ma boss

[obtuse lintel]

[weak drum]

no badum and im pretty sure horb is only for high rank plays like akayuki

do i just helia

[elfin parrot]

of course it's possible the 10 atk doesn't do anything in some cases, like if the 10 atk still makes you kill (or some other important threshold in the fight) the boss in the same amount of hits

[obtuse lintel]

[still warren]

ok what should be my optimal rotation using paws, VS and PS

[steady osprey]

vs?

[weak drum]

who’s vs, A coralie (valkyrie blastmetal)?

[elfin parrot]

what's the scenario? So the thing about optimal rotations is you're trying to most efficiently fit your damage to the boss' hp

[obtuse lintel]

whos vs

[elfin parrot]

but boss hp always changes in abyss

[weak drum]

this, rotations can also change depends on the boss

[obtuse lintel]

veregrine sword?

[elfin parrot]

so it's one thing to know the general sequence and rotation

[still warren]

AUTO CORRECT...Bi ment RS

[elfin parrot]

but you also need to know what to add or remove to better fit more efficiently

[mortal jetty]

Ely ps cora

[elfin parrot]

i haven't looked at MA yet so you prob know more than i do sorry

[weak drum]

thank you funny retirement man

[elfin parrot]

i'm glad asaphie can do the actual prof'ing for me

[steady osprey]

usually if u think u overkill the boss u can try to cut ur last rotation short

[obtuse lintel]

afaik RS is not used with PAWS

[mortal jetty]

U can use rs with paws wdym

[steady osprey]

she can supp Goi

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, you can

but is not often used

[mortal jetty]

She can be a good option if u have nothing but she is not the best

[obtuse lintel]

at least i havent seen that many runs with those 2

[mortal jetty]

Yeah because 95% players have badum and sus or ely

[digital sky]

Nu uh
For the fish weather but for helia

[mortal jetty]

Rs is really when u have nothing

[mortal jetty]

What fish weather

[digital sky]

Brick weather

[mortal jetty]

You are out of context i think

We were speaking of RS as goi support

[still warren]

yeh ... I'm sure I can make in the top 3 if I tried hard enough .. but not tonight

and I'm out of money to upgrade anything rn

[mortal jetty]

I see

[obtuse lintel]

in any case, i think the rot would be something like

PAWS SO > ult x3 + CA > switch PS > PS weap + ult > switch RS + CA + ult > back to Helia ult x3 + CA + finisher

at least thats what i see in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRZvtHZ6R80

[plush kernel]

Who is the most worth to pull copy for?

[mortal jetty]

Vita

[obtuse lintel]

but im not sure since i dont use RS so i dont know what her animation correspond to

[mortal jetty]

U don't need rs charged attack... rs ult is enough

[obtuse lintel]

[still warren]

rn only thing slowing me down is the swap CD

[mortal jetty]

If u have an record we can watch it together and help u to improve

[still warren]

also I didn't realize 1st was some actions can regen your astral ring faster

[still warren]

I can do 1 rq hold on

[mortal jetty]

Go ahead

[obtuse lintel]

well, there's usually like 2 rorts in any team

one for out of SO, and the other one when you enter SO

[plush kernel]

So Vita is the best.. no kiana or Li Sushang..M

[still warren]

so I can't send the video cus no nitro

[mortal jetty]

Which valk do u have

[obtuse lintel]

how big is that thing wth

[still warren]

250

[mortal jetty]

Try youtube or streamable

[still warren]

I'ma just share it with Gdrive

[obtuse lintel]

can upload to youtube or use any video compresser

you can upload up to 100mb without nitro here

[still warren]

rn I'm away from my pc and on a phone

so making a zip is hard

[obtuse lintel]

it doesnt have a resize option?

[still warren]

let me check

[formal wigeon]

just upload to youtube

why make it complicated

[obtuse lintel]

actually

[still warren]

I have these

but idk how good or bad these gonna be

[plush kernel]

every part 2 valkyrie except Sparkle

[steady osprey]

i can see that u dont have sparkle why not get her

with ur free pull

[obtuse lintel]

520 would be able to send but, you can just upload to youtube full hd

[mortal jetty]

*From a meta point u can try to use your free card for s2 vita

• from a casual point u can just pull who ever u like

[mortal jetty]

Congratulations

[obtuse lintel]

[mortal jetty]

I am the only one who was not lucky on this banner

[still warren]

Ok sending the recording

[mortal jetty]

Shit game

[steady osprey]

same here bro

[mortal jetty]

Mihoyo wants me to die with S0 vita

[mortal jetty]

Meanwhile peeps are lucksacking

[obtuse lintel]

😔

[steady osprey]

wtf

[obtuse lintel]

[still warren]

tbh I gotten PS on my free pull too

[obtuse lintel]

tbf, its my first time being lucky in this banner

[mortal jetty]

U start ur first rotation without buffs...

U should start with RS charged attack +ult-> sushang qte+weapon +ult-> helia dps

[still warren]

ok

[still warren]

I think I own all bronya in game .. like some came in at 0 pitty

[steady osprey]

save time by pre-charge

[obtuse lintel]

if you start with PAWS, you should do first ult then weapon so you have your 2nd ult right away

[plush kernel]

Im missing star of eden and seven thunders of retribution... Is any of them rarer than the other?

[digital sky]

No

[steady osprey]

is SoE in reserve shop?

[mortal jetty]

Not sure

[steady osprey]

idr

[plush kernel]

Like... this banner doesnt matter much anyway... Id much rather if I had this luck on character banner instead of having to do 80-90 pulls

[steady osprey]

we arent lucky on char banner either

[digital sky]

7T is in bp reserve
SoE:AE is not currently available outside of this box

[steady osprey]

yeah so SoE is rarer

[digital sky]

I didnt get crap

[plush kernel]

Ooooh, I see, thank you!!

[obtuse lintel]

fr

[steady osprey]

no i lied

[leaden fjord]

Do part 2 characters NEED their weapon to function? I just got sushang and I have no idea if she’s good or not (only pulled her for HLE) I have no part 2 characters other than a ranks and elysia

[still warren]

ok SO I MIX BOTH OF @obtuse lintel AND @mortal jetty advice and I took over the 3rd place without trying wtfff

[obtuse lintel]

its like that for all valks

[steady osprey]

a3

support sushang doesnt need her weap that much

[leaden fjord]

I had a feeling but like does part 2 like need their weapon to unlock astral ring??

[quasi pier]

no

[obtuse lintel]

oh, no

[dark phoenix]

need their wp to dps
for support role, most of them still work, just less buff

[steady osprey]

p2 valks have astral ring naturally. p1 valks need new weapon to unlock astral ring

[obtuse lintel]

[still warren]

do we know about any new p1 astral ring weapon coming soon?

[steady osprey]

the signature weapon give a lot of exclusive buffs and sometimes unlock special effect

[quasi pier]

we just got horb dkey

[still warren]

I was asking cus I wanna get the one for Mei HoO and will save up for it

[obtuse lintel]

and for future, not yet, youll need to wait a few days to see what is on next CN beta

[steady osprey]

for sushang the special effect is reset weapon skill if she kill something

[quasi pier]

hofi dkey is basically a buff for hoo too

[still warren]

ok I didn't knew that

[dark phoenix]

we know nothing about who will get new dkey next, but chance for HoO is very low

nearest patch that could possibly has dkey is 8.7

[steady osprey]

hoyo will run out of p1 to milk us from double banner eventually

[formal wigeon]

HFI/HoO/HTR is an all in one package with HFI dkey, they 99.9% won't get more stuff

[dark phoenix]

p2 dkey should be near

[steady osprey]

shiet

[obtuse lintel]

imagine DK for HoO and HoTr so we get another new team ult

[quasi pier]

sena dkey that turns her into god sena trust

[steady osprey]

aight its time we release sena new dk to unlock goi ring

[obtuse lintel]

nah she already has SO so in any case it would be a new Sena

[steady osprey]

u noob. if its new sena it wont be double banner

[quasi pier]

leylah with god sena dkey

[obtuse lintel]

or may be new sena and another one with dk

[mortal jetty]

Your rotation should look like this

Make sure to switch back to your support before the buff run out

[still warren]

ok your PS weapon animation is shorter than mine .. is it because of her weapon?

[mortal jetty]

Its the same

After qte just spam weapon

[still warren]

ok

[obtuse lintel]

thats for todays abyss

im cooked

i dont have RS or HoRb

i tried Sushang and did like 500

[still warren]

o7

[obtuse lintel]

[rigid cedar]

shield is not only physical

and sushang is type countered

[obtuse lintel]

oh thats why

[rigid cedar]

try cooking something with elemental

[steady osprey]

the guy is a3

[obtuse lintel]

im not

[steady osprey]

thats why u 500

[obtuse lintel]

im not in a3

[rigid cedar]

!faq counter

[night parcel]

Type Advantages

Below are the type advantages in-game. Please note that going backwards in the bio/psy/mech circle is DOWN

[steady osprey]

and u re in sea where D is higher

[rigid cedar]

To add to this, SD is UP vs SD. No counter

[steady osprey]

so ur score will be much lower than that guy

[obtuse lintel]

yeah

[steady osprey]

500 is reasonable

[obtuse lintel]

[rigid cedar]

you can go higher

even on off-teams

[obtuse lintel]

probably

[rigid cedar]

I did 760 on Badum lead with EU D

also redlotus

[steady osprey]

what are ur roster though

ps not very ideal

[obtuse lintel]

idk i just saw horb everywhere so i thought phys would be it

[steady osprey]

phys is good, ps is countered

[rigid cedar]

disclaimer, I was messing around

tfm is probably not BiS here

[obtuse lintel]

holy jesus christ what is that

[rigid cedar]

a beautiful screenshot

[obtuse lintel]

holy elysia

[formal wigeon]

why does your game look worse every week

[steady osprey]

kewk

[formal wigeon]

you're going into impressionism atp

[honest sail]

!faq crystals

[rigid cedar]

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[obtuse lintel]

i think only certain role can do faqs

[rigid cedar]

professors, mods and staff only yeah

[rigid cedar]

because i don't always have my PC available, so I'm stuck on a laptop that can barely run the game with fps that's mald quality

at least when I also want to record my runs

[obtuse lintel]

[rigid cedar]

yes

[obtuse lintel]

i would preffer high quality at 60fps than pixelart at 100fps but

[crude cloak]

I didn't think I'd see deep fried HI3

[rigid cedar]

for context, the more fps the more points you can get. you want to have at least 120 fps stable if you're playing in nirvana competitively

[obtuse lintel]

well, if you wanna do perfect frame things high frame rate is necessary so may be

[rigid cedar]

its also the inputs that have less delay if you have more fps

[rigid cedar]

it won't matter too much for casually playing, but every good player will tell you to not play on 60 fps capped if your hardware can do more

[obtuse lintel]

ye i get it

[rigid cedar]

i also cap it down for anything but abyss and ma

[unreal parrot]

who could be a good replacement for horb

[steady osprey]

vita doesnt fully support hle

[elfin parrot]

it looks like you're trying to copy recommendations for the dominance SK abyss cycle but just in case are you asking for general advice?

for the former, be wary of the combination of the weather effect with the boss

the weather effect wants the dps to have their own summon entity.

The boss is shadow knight who has a special mechanic where as she takes elemental damage, her elemental resistance sharply increases while her phys vuln rises slightly alongside it

horb (who also type counters) is pretty much the only valk that matches these two. Every other option is going to be alot more uphill

but if you still want to try something else, maybe you can consider an astral ring physical leader dps (forgoing the weather bonus)

if you have a highly ranked LV, maybe you can give it a try too since she has type counter as well as her own summon. Ofc she gets heavily elemental res'd against but she was still doing decent damage in my personal attempts

[steady osprey]

if u re in a3 like the guy in video above he used a COUNTERED UNWEATHERED ELEMENTAL valk and still get 800 score

[elfin parrot]

yeah specify what abyss tier if you want more help

[steady osprey]

like, if paws get that high, hle should be much higher, right?

[elfin parrot]

anyway in the future i do not recommend trying to copy ingame recommendation. The one this time is accurate since it's a new iteration of the fight, but sometimes they don't update these and so they can be out of date, or straight up bad.

[steady osprey]

is there any p2 valk with summon entity

does WoD clone count?

[elfin parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/honkaiimpact3rd-houkai3rd-benghuai3-theresa-apocalypse-teriteri-gif-5818488777559648962

[steady osprey]

is that why ppl use jds?

[elfin parrot]

uh that might be ER

JDS had a gatling bug but i think that was for a different weather?

actually even ScI is ER only

[steady osprey]

so this weather is horb playground only

[elfin parrot]

dominance is just a really rude weather

Hare, LV, HoRb pretty much

TP too technically against dom aponia but by the time that happened TP was way too powercrept

[steady osprey]

the other two cant compete with Horb astral ring

[elfin parrot]

yeah ofc not

i think a well ranked LV might be able to get low 800 or high 700 but that's already 100 off of what HoRb is getting

in nirv. maybe it's more fine in RL when you don't need 1.5 rots to handle mobs and awkwardly transition to SK phase

but i didn't try too much overall. I just stopped when i saw i was past the point of my horb runs

[formal wigeon]

iirc SS gets above 800 yeah

but yeah when HRB clears 900+ that's stil not close to enough

[elfin parrot]

@unreal parrot pinging so you don't miss our answers to you. For more details on how team building works search [!faq ring] in this server

[digital sky]

For reference i got like 780+ (or 790+ i cant recall)
With s2 lv and 13/13

[elfin parrot]

specify the dist/tier too

[digital sky]

NA Rl

[steady osprey]

13?

[elfin parrot]

elf?

[digital sky]

I have
4/4 LV CE and SCI
13 is 4* kiana elf

LV is s2
CE is SSS
Sci is S0

[elfin parrot]

but in the context of LV, some best setups can vary in CE vs GD, or what gears ScI opts for (Tband m)

but i know for this fight CE runs into CD issues if you try to tband it

[still warren]

btw do we have a way to check for active redeem codes?

[elfin parrot]

pins

if you're not sure if they are used/active then just input them anyway

[still warren]

ok thx

[vernal bronze]

Sairaan can you pull up the faq aster? I’m reading it on mobile so it keeps jumping away

[mortal jetty]

!faq asterite

[night parcel]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[obtuse lintel]

yo where does asterite come from

dude

i cant blink

and that thing is at 300k

[shell quail]

daily material stage and open world weekly earning

[obtuse lintel]

i remember so many years ago

[shell quail]

also obtainable from salvaging materials like Adv Skill Mats, SS Imaginon etc

by default you should earn more than 100k each patch

[obtuse lintel]

when i wanted to buy an outfit from the time capsule event and i couldnt bc it was like 30k and i didnt have enough

[shell quail]

weekly quiz gives as well

[obtuse lintel]

now i still dont buy them bc idk why

[alpine vale]

How the hell are people getting like 9.5-9.8k on the Ely event?

I can BARELY manage 8.5k

[plucky lotus]

i would like to know as well. It is so satisfying at full build

[alpine vale]

It really is. Lol I just don't know what it is I'm doing wrong. I think the Ely Statue may have something to do with it but I can't figure it out

[full trench]

use vill-v and focus on cd/atk and weapons obv

beyond that idk

[alpine vale]

Ya tried that already. That's how I got to 8.4 :/

[full trench]

if u want high score u have to reset if u dont get good cards before the first boss

[iron mesa]

how do I stop the game from scamming me on the weapon banner pls?

[full trench]

swipe more

[alpine vale]

So what are considered "good" cards for vv I was using the spiny laser thing, the chalk thrower thing, and vvs robot.

[iron mesa]

Like, if it's going to take me to 3 pity, I might as well go for hard pity

[alpine vale]

That's all I've been hearing from this banner

That it's taking everyone to hard pity for both seele and ely wealon

Weapon

[obtuse lintel]

this banner?

its been like that since p2

[open bone]

Her sig, the machine gun, Molotov lanterns, the nuke. The orb of death is also okay

[eager smelt]

dont need that much for max emblem
but if u really care i can take u to t2

[spare furnace]

I feel like i wanna do it

after the event go to voyager log for 2 years

[toxic rose]

Wait can we change dream seeker's gender again

[eager smelt]

always could

[craggy ivy]

Is this gonna be another 10 hour run

[eager smelt]

no

it would be 10 if they wanted t1

[craggy ivy]

O

[eager smelt]

because passing my score is

[craggy ivy]

Is ~830-840 a passable score for s2 horb s0 everyone else and ds for nirbanana

Need to check the validity of the ref before copying

[eager smelt]

where ur pb at

[craggy ivy]

0*

Does 3* dudab work

[spare furnace]

nein

[obtuse lintel]

wth why is it blank

[obtuse lintel]

well it worked

[obtuse lintel]

ill just pray anyone goes higher

[craggy ivy]

Nvm not enough dmg to copy ref

[eager smelt]

am i going crazy or is there not 100% crit rate

[craggy ivy]

Turns out 3D isn't enough to make ds match sera

[eager smelt]

my dmg is too inconsistent

[craggy ivy]

There isn't 100 cr yes

I missed 2 scythe drop crits in a row

[dusty dagger]

crit malding in the big 25

[craggy ivy]

Fws lp fdd or fws lp jds for mobbing stages

[eager smelt]

ugh

my score is bricked

[formal wigeon]

She's dps form here right ?

you get the crit buff on targets you hit with the ult, so if you clear mobs and go to boss mid rot you won't have the debuff on her

she has a little aoe on kill that pops after 2s and refreshes the debuff that's supposed to mitigate this but it pops way before the boss can get hit

[dusky mantle]

So

Horb fws lp? No hle weapon yet

[narrow cedar]

wawa there is secret tech btw but not one u can use lol

normally fws fast reso trigger is a jump a jump but this automatically goes into combo
if you do aa jump a you can actually swap out of basic 3 lol

so you get 4 reso triggers without automatically going into combo

[eager smelt]

where dmg

[narrow cedar]

you should just do the whole thing though that's for sure

do you need more damage on mobs?

[spiral raven]

is good

[eager smelt]

why my badum wa not triggering horb qte
unless the wa isnt the qte condition and its just a coincidence

[formal wigeon]

I don't even know how the wa could do that

unless it's yet another S2 tf thing

[quasi pier]

there's also this

[formal wigeon]

oh right she got new ones

funny still that TF is difficult enough to come by in p2 valks that they need new triggers

[dusky mantle]

So

904 rl. Slacc time?

[naive mirage]

The highest I’m getting from abyss is 720, I don’t got a physical so I’m using hle fdd and vbm

Any suggestions?

[cunning gull]

rl is slack so u can sleep with this but maybe you can do more since you can squeeze more

[cunning gull]

are these ur only part 2? you can record a run if you want to see what to optimise in there

[naive mirage]

Yea I started last patch

These are their gear

[cunning gull]

looks decent for what you have, can use theresa gluttony instead of fhm t piece, else you can record a run to see whats to do
don't be too disappointed tho since this boss is iffy for wanting a physical dps

[naive mirage]

Ok, I’m 5th rn that should be ok right? I’m in a3

[cunning gull]

oh a3, that's even better, i don't think a3 cares that much but you can try a bit more to see if you can get a +100
but even if you retain that's fine

[rigid cedar]

i can show you my run to improve on

[obtuse lintel]

badum vita songque?

[lyric blaze]

are we getting any supply tickets this patch or no?

[open bone]

Yes. 15 more early November

[naive mirage]

https://youtu.be/xnmqdxZAYaA?si=4Fw-W-K2mVVJ2JJK
I don’t think I did that great on this run, I’m still not completely sure what rotation I should be doing.

[rigid cedar]

badum fdd jds

vita is worse unless she's ranked

or do you only have her?

[obtuse lintel]

What was fdd? I dont think i have that

[rigid cedar]

new coralie

[obtuse lintel]

Got today S2

[rigid cedar]

oh

[obtuse lintel]

Thats why didnt knew her acronym

[elfin parrot]

There's alot to unpack here. Normally I would do so all at once but since you seem new it might better to hold a conversation.

VBm doesn't really have any reason to be using basic attacks here. If there's a video you're copying off of, try looking at the dots above her hp (kinetic energy or KE bar), as well as the bottom right for possible inputs (touch screen or clicks?). The ref video is probably consuming the dots there to increase her buffs (also an icon above your hp bar).

• ult maxes this immediately (3 stacks) and restores 3 astral ring intensity (big blue button). So it's a bit redundant to do both. Ult also usually is too much animation for its benefits so usually it's only done at the very start when you're waiting for things to spawn.

[lyric blaze]

what’s durandals 4th wep in the event? besides the movement spd ones

[rigid cedar]

alright, i've done a run with badum/jds/fdd for now. but I can do another one for Vita, it will just be a bit inaccurate damage-wise because I got nothing out of my free carnival pulls

[elfin parrot]

using ult at the very start before things spawn will cause it to hit nothing. Having the ult hit actually does have a unique debuff on enemies so it can be viable in some cases to actually wait for it (although for more developed situations, usually it is not)

[naive mirage]

oh so i want to consume the dots to get buffs, but i dont need to do basics on her in the run?

[elfin parrot]

the only basic VBm wants to do is the aerial one so it puts her back on the ground and lets her do her weapon finisher (the thumping move)

[naive mirage]

ohhh that makes sense

[elfin parrot]

so there's a few things going on there too

first off all the timing of it could be better. You want the basic/thumping (idr which) to happen just as mobs spawn

the thumping has a bunch of effects

• it debuffs enemies hit by it (not the unique kind as the ult, although the ult also applies this one too iirc)

actually let me clarify that further

VBm's stigs has a 2pc effect that only happens from her ult and outburst iirc. The thumping doesn't cause this one

The thumping and the ult also applies a "serious breakdown" debuff (total damage, so any damage type benefits from this)

so the ult causes two kinds of debuffs

anwyay debuffs are generally less common so they're more valuable in the damage formula (less diluted/diminishing returns)

[naive mirage]

wait does vbm have a dedicated stig set i should use?

[elfin parrot]

what are you using on her right now?

her signature stig set is tsio (much longer name than that)

[naive mirage]

the musician free one from starter

[obtuse lintel]

i think you can look at my run and tell me what to change

i still have it

[rigid cedar]

send it then

[obtuse lintel]

let me cut that thing

[elfin parrot]

oh ok let's forget the 2pc for now then. This stig set is craftable but i don't recommend doing so unless you're desperate for an improvement with no alternatives and have plenty of prisms/resources to spare

and if you ever do craft it, only craft the full 3pc but don't upgrade it right away

2pc and 3pc effects don't change from levels and that's where most of VBm's stig benefits are

[naive mirage]

i think i just used a majority of the prisms on upgrasding hle weapon 💀

[elfin parrot]

yeah naturally

wait weapon?

[naive mirage]

or the stigma

[elfin parrot]

yeah weaps don't use prisms

[obtuse lintel]

why did they patch jd fish skip

[elfin parrot]

it takes 7 per piece to max a stigmata, and an additional 2 if you need to craft it

so 21 to max a stig set. It's alot

!faq prism

[night parcel]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

anyway let's go back to talking about vbm's thumping attack

there's two more benefits to note

[obtuse lintel]

https://youtu.be/-D_okH63-jQ

[elfin parrot]

• gathering of enemies slightly (you can see it in your vod)
• triggering something called "stellar drain." every astral ring valk can do this with a specific move in their kit (usually some big animation attack but some can do it with other methods)

you can think of stellar drains as an invisible stack that you consume. It is only restored after you end an outburst

[naive mirage]

hmm ic

[elfin parrot]

so the basic idea of an astral ring team rotation is

support effects
dps
(sometimes you may need to repeat this before you can outburst)
(most but not all support effects are refreshed from outburst too)

but also

trigger stellar drains
outburst

[naive mirage]

ok and so when you do certain attacks it will trigger the stellar drain. that wya you get the support stuff and the stellar stuff at the saem time?

[elfin parrot]

stellar drain's effect is mainly the ARI regen (there can be other effects like resetting CDs but that's more specific and not important right now). It's not related to support effects

but some actions do trigger both

anyway this is prob overwhelming but VBm is a complicated valk overall

[naive mirage]

ic alr, so in the scenario of vbm i'd want to do the thump attack and then the one that striggers the stellar drain?

[elfin parrot]

the thumping move is what triggers stellar drain (and also debuffs and gathers)

it does all three things

[naive mirage]

ohhh

[elfin parrot]

what i was trying to say is stellar drain is not what causes the debuff.

and this is important to note because you only trigger stellar drain once until you do an outburst

so if it truly was related to the drain you won't be able to debuff again until much later

[naive mirage]

ok so they're independent to each otehr

[elfin parrot]

yeah

the thumping just does alot at once

but they're all separate effects

anyway we're getting really caught on the details here so let's look at the bigger picture

so at the start, VBm should consider doing...

• ult before enemy spawns (hits nothing), then jump > basic as enemy spawns (lands on ground) > weapon (thumping)
• if ult isn't available then you can weapon twice > jump > basic as enemy spawns > weapon. You miss out on 2pc debuff but you still get 3 stacks of her passive buff
• if you really need to maximize your damage and have her stigs, then you can weapon > wait for enemies to spawn > ult > weapon > swap cancel out of that weapon. (you miss out on stellar drain this way)

ok sorry i'm definitely jumping straight into advanced stuff here lol (i know you don't have the stigs but it's still good future reference)

but you seem to be keeping up so far

[naive mirage]

i usually start with the ult almost filled at the beginning i think, so i should probbaly do the second option.

[elfin parrot]

abyss restores sp at the start, although it might be after a slight delay

[naive mirage]

actually i lied

i def have the ult before i start

[elfin parrot]

second option is more for MA where you don't start with sp

[naive mirage]

ic ic

[elfin parrot]

ok let's talk about something else. I should've brought this up sooner but turn off VBm's QTE

and for her stigs, maybe we can swap to roald 3pc instead of FHM

[cunning gull]

ah i see sairaan is helping you, i can't watch the video right now because im outside, i hope you find your answer, ill still come back later if there's something i can help with

[elfin parrot]

did you give them a video? I would like to see it too if you have the link handy

[cunning gull]

no they gave me a vid that you're replying to

[naive mirage]

^

[rigid cedar]

• 0:00 - Can start Vita BA earlier
• 0:26 - Use Badum Ult earlier! You want to be able to spam it as often as possible.
• 0:53 - This whole sequence with Vita was just eating away time, could've just used Outburst
• 1:50 - Again, use Badum Ult earlier
• 2:01 - Here, JDS ult was off-CD. You can argue that it's better to save it for her golden state, but then you should have started SO with JDS Stellar Shift (Also you kinda overkilled at the end because you held onto it). I personally had better results when using ult whenever available rather than holding onto it for too long.
• 2:29 - Badum ult off cd before WA, really I cannot say enough how important it is with her to spam it asap when buffs are up
• 2:40 - Assuming you used JDS ult earlier, her CA would've killed. If not, Vita's Stellar Shift does.

[elfin parrot]

anyway FHM has two main effects as supports

• slight team fire damage boost on 2pc but HLE is ice
• 2pc effect buffs the team of any damage type but only for 10 seconds on swap out. This is awkward in this case because
  • HLE is obviously staying out more than 10s
  • VBm has the longest animations so we want to keep her first. But then FDD takes up some of those 10s afterwards

roald 3pc is a weak effect but it's always active as long as VBm isn't on field, and it's relevant to HLE

it's in foundry (bottom left of shop, or click the forge button in equipment or valk equipment menus) under basic stigs if you don't have it yet (use the filter menu there)

[naive mirage]

i made it for durandal for a story thing lol, i remeber cuz i was missing the M one

[elfin parrot]

i'll talk about the issue of VBm's QTE later

i have no issues with FDD so let's talk about HLE at 0:21 of the vod

she swaps in and immediately uses her weapon. You may instead opt to ult first since she already has the sp to do so, then weapon later since that restores sp. If you don't need the damage then it's fine, but this can cut out a basic mash sequence

i'm actually not sure if the weapon skill buffs anything in her sequence so i might not be completely correct here

---

as for the basic mashing, there's some advanced tech but it's pretty difficult and punishing to execute. I can still talk about it if you're interested but i don't recommend it for now

[oblique monolith]

which divine key should I pick from the sincerest affection divine key box? i have none of them now

[elfin parrot]

I overall recommend you to leave the box alone if you don't need the +10 atk but

the obvious choice is Star of Eden AE if you have to pick. All the others are available in reserve works bp shop (permanently available).

[naive mirage]

From what im reading about the weapon the skill boosts ice dmg i think?

[elfin parrot]

---

Anyway @naive mirage as you're attacking with HLE, do keep an eye on the buffs above your hp. Not all effects are displayed there but it does give you an idea

[oblique monolith]

thanks!

[elfin parrot]

hm i'll review it soon but even if it's less efficient damage, it may still be worth doing. HI3 is a matter of finding the best sequence to best fit an enemy's hp bar

[obtuse lintel]

not sure about how much can start earlier, when i do that i miss the hits so dont gain sp

[elfin parrot]

anyway you were able to finish p1 before the buff ends, and the debuff from VBm doesn't carry over, so it was good of you to swap (albeit after doing a few HLE basics at nothing)

so QTEs do have their own effects that can be beneficial depending on what they are

but in the case of VBm, none of its effects are notable, it causes VBm to enter with a forced animation that costs time, and QTEs generally cause the valks swapped out to have a longer cooldown

so they're not always good. In this case we can just toggle it off, but some fights/strats for other valks may need them partially and sometimes you need to get creative in skirting to avoid their conditions

again advanced talk just to keep in mind in the future. nothing for this fight really

[naive mirage]

ah so for vbm the qte isn't useful but in some cases they are helpful

[elfin parrot]

yeah

but anyway VBm should just jump > attack > finisher.

Oh i remember now. the basic should hit the enemy since it restores a KE dot that way.

note that if you gain a buff passive when it's already at maxed (3), it'll just refresh it while keeping at 3

which is better than letting it expire and then needing to do all 3 again

[rigid cedar]

you can, because you don't need CA in LoA for her and there are plenty of mobs that only need you to hit the final big laser to ult

[elfin parrot]

so if it's really about to run out, you can weap > jump cancel

although beware you only get the buff from consuming a dot. If you have no KE then weap doesn't buff you

once again keep in mind HLE can opt to ult after a QTE. Not sure if it's worth doing. The shield SK has is an all damage type shield so maybe reducing it more preemptively can help your outburst amplify more

your outburst was ready but there's no need to rush it since

• you're not trying to build to a second outburst
  • in general cases, starting a outburst sooner > ends outburst sooner > so you can start building towards the second one sooner
  • in HLE's case she can even opt to end it early to refund some ARI based on the remaining duration (this is again advanced stuff)
• and the fight doesn't end with this single outburst
  • if it did, then you would want to start it sooner so you mileage from the outburst as much as possible

is this making sense so far?

[naive mirage]

ok so right after qte i should use ult then skill and ult again, and then i can do the outburst

[obtuse lintel]

AAAAAA i got a better score but screwed a bit at the end

[rigid cedar]

oof

it happens, keep trying

[elfin parrot]

hm i'm not saying you absolutely should. It was just a consideration. I do not know if it's worth it yet.

[rigid cedar]

as long as you know what you did wrong, you can get results

[elfin parrot]

alot optimizing in hi3 is knowing what you can add or remove to find the best fit as mentioned earlier

[obtuse lintel]

its almost 1am

[elfin parrot]

anyway edited more explanations in to this

[rigid cedar]

and abyss is open tomorrow for you?

[obtuse lintel]

but im about to get ranked down

[obtuse lintel]

not when i wake up, its 8h left

[elfin parrot]

anyway there's a massive issue in your outburst. Maybe you can identify it? It's with the latter half of it (look above your hp bar)

[obtuse lintel]

guess its one of the cons of playing sea but living in america

[rigid cedar]

damn, okay

i mean how much would your messup lose in points

or what specifically did you do wrong

[naive mirage]

is it that flower thing? it looks like its full but idk how to use it?

[full trench]

anyone have an s0 horb chenxue ref for nirv

[obtuse lintel]

i think it would be only a few points tbh

[naive mirage]

also right at the end all the buffs r gone

[elfin parrot]

no it's actually the buff effects we've been talking about

[obtuse lintel]

whatever i do i wont get on place above, im not geting 90 points

[elfin parrot]

look at 1:25. They expired there

so all your attacks afterwards are no longer buffed

[obtuse lintel]

what i can do at most i trying to make it more difficult so nobody takes 10th

[rigid cedar]

yeah that was also my plan

[naive mirage]

the last basic set i do and the end of the outburst arnet buffed at all 🥀

[elfin parrot]

so there's two options i'm going to give you

• actually swap to your teammates to refresh these effects.
• end your outburst before these effects expire, then swap to your teammates to refresh them

[weak drum]

yeah its called demoting /j

[elfin parrot]

it's prob going to be the first choice

[spiral raven]

s0 in big 2025

[weak drum]

chen instead of sera in big 2025

mega bricked

[full trench]

i have s1 actually but i figured it would be harder to find an s1 ref

[weak drum]

yeah its essentially just a s0 ref but you do abit more dmg

[naive mirage]

i think instead of doing another basic mash i could probably end the outburst and do the cycle to apply buffs and then switch back to hle

[elfin parrot]

hm no i rather you stay in outburst and just refresh your effects

[obtuse lintel]

wait wait wait

[naive mirage]

okie

[obtuse lintel]

if i charge badum bar before SO, it keeps like that after activating SO?

[spiral raven]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xNH7zbEMT/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9
840 s2 with s sera is like the lowest i can find, for ppl with ur rank, chances r ppl just dont bother recording becuz score too bad

[elfin parrot]

some effects on the team are outburst only so your damage really peaks at that point. No need to waste it. You don't have time to build to a second outburst either

before we go further do you understand how ring types and tags work?

[full trench]

ty bestie

[naive mirage]

uh pretty vaguely, each character has a ring type and some tags, liek hle has the grail ring and symbiosis as her tag

[elfin parrot]

yeah ok

so FDD has grail but VBm doesn't

you still want to refresh VBm's effects so you'll still swap to her

but there's more going on with FDD since she has the matching tag

!faq ring

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For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

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[elfin parrot]

maybe read the grail section here but basically FDD can do stuff like gain shining traces and restore a ton of sp since she has the matching tag, and that's the core gimmick of the ring type

[naive mirage]

ahh thats why she gets likek 1000 sp

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/aW2BMU8.png

another detail is that ults from symbiosis tag valks will immediately refresh the leader's swap cd and qte

but that's not something to note in your case for now i don't think

[naive mirage]

adn therefore using fdd right before hle resets her

ohhh

[elfin parrot]

yeah but again you do want to spend time refreshing vbm

for future scenarios something people may do is

grail outburst > leader does stuff > swap to support 1 and ult > qte leader > swap to support 2 and ult > qte leader again then do more stuff

just for the QTE damage

as for HLE i've seen people used additional weapon skills in between the support swaps too but i'm not sure if this is worth it

but anyway VBm doesn't have symbiosis so let's not consider that too much for now

[naive mirage]

kk

[elfin parrot]

alright next point. When outburst ends, HLE does get her weapon back immediately

so you may opt to do that and ult instead (i guess this means you do want to end outburst with some extra team buff durations too)

---

i think that wraps up my thoughts for your video for now. I do recommend playing around, reviewing our talk, and maybe even getting second opinions later on

let me just see if it matters to weap right away on HLE after swapping her in

[naive mirage]

ahh ill def be trying to change how im doing my skills to get max vuff value, thank you!!

[elfin parrot]

hm i don't see anything from her stigs/weaps/passives/weap skill sections

there's a chance i miss something but i don't think there's a loss from QTE > ult > weap

ofc if you need the damage from the basic mash then it doesn't matter (you're just moving things around to the same total at that point)

sorry for being very long winded about all this but hopefully me elaborating more gave you a much better of the details we look for and how to approach the fight

it's important to know why you're performing each and every action in a fight so you know how to add or remove or rerorder them to fit the situation

[naive mirage]

no no this was very helpful! i have'nt put a lot of thought into p2 yet so getting this breakdown has cleared up a lot!

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUSg8XeqsI

the advanced tech with her mashing i mentioned earlier

at 0:28

basically at the end of basic 3 (with the raining on the enemies), you can hold ult just as the basic 4 happens. The giant arrow will still fall but you will skip the jumping animation she is supposed to do

[cerulean otter]

Does anyone have a guide, recommendations for Elysian realm for the new Ely?

[elfin parrot]

i do not know if this loses damage in any way which might be a consideration to not do it if you need it

but also if you hold too early then your ult ends up very poor so i don't recommend it overall unless you practiced and are confident

[naive mirage]

alrighty, i might practice it in like the tutorial area or smth

[elfin parrot]

check pins in this channel

[open bone]

HLE should just shred through ER. I’ve been using the astral ring build, Reverie start and then deliverance / gold / decimation / helix as portals appear

Bodhi presumably works too

[cerulean otter]

Ohhh, thank you!

[elfin parrot]

check what QT said as well

if you have any questions about navigating or understanding the guide feel free to ask too

[cerulean otter]

Okay got it, thank youu! I'll try this later today

[elfin parrot]

it's a common question for people unfamiliar with it

[naive mirage]

alright nighty night time almost 2:30 💀

[elfin parrot]

oh i forgot one more thing. HLE can go into negative sp so you may not need the sp from FDD. If that's the case you can skip her weapon active during outburst.

Sorry to keep you. Have a good night

[naive mirage]

does that mean skipping the things that turns the field pink?

[elfin parrot]

no that's separate

although field turning green and later on pink is why the flower icon/bar was above HLE's hp

so generally speaking symbiosis tagged valks can restore great amount of sp to the team during outburst. This may require performing an added action. FDD's weapon active in this case

HLE's field is specifically tied to if you cast weapon active 2x > ult

[naive mirage]

ah ic ic

[elfin parrot]

i don't actually know if there's effects from it. There prob is, but you kinda always just do it unless you're ending outburst early

and well if you're curious, then it's a good opportunity to review descriptions ingame (prob the middle icon of her skills since that's where astral ring and therefore outburst stuff are)

[naive mirage]

hmm u right imma check it out tomorrow

[red monolith]

How do I transit from 0:08 to 0:10?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZPgHkiaKEA

[versed scroll]

how do i change valk card to equip card?

[open bone]

carnival free cards can only be used for the character banners

[misty crane]

Turn kiana qte off and swap to kiana when horb doing joint atk

[open bone]

Uh do you have a specific question about this?

[spare furnace]

Guys i need ref on MA paros
||im ely-less ||

Couldnt find ref on bilibili search engine

[dark phoenix]

i hate this abyss, keep missing that fuking sd mob for some reason

[flat rain]

Is it cooked

[open bone]

for current abyss? yes, it's psy physical summons shill and Paws is none of those. In general going forwards? No, Paws should support new releases just fine, so once you start pulling new battlesuits you can have a team ready for them

[hardy elm]

whjat team for htre current abyss

[open bone]

Horb HLE Vita if you have them

[hardy elm]

i dont have the new weapon that enables seelee to use astral ring

i do have 4/4 elysia

[open bone]

Do you have reign solaris or Hohe + dkey?

[hardy elm]

which were those again

dont remember hte abbriviations

[open bone]

Mini durandal or old elysia (herrscher of Human ego)

[hardy elm]

i do have old elysia

4/4 too

[open bone]

do you have her divine key?

[hardy elm]

flawless benediciton

[open bone]

yep, that's the one. In that case HoHe Thelema Senadina can score pretty well on the boss, 800+ in RL

possibly even 830+ depending on your ranks and willingness to Mald and astral ops

[hardy elm]

yeah but isnt currentt abyss

summon entities

[open bone]

Yes but Hohe is a psychic battlesuit so she has type counter and with thelema malding she can double astral ring

Reign Solaris is better but you don't have her

[hardy elm]

hohe can astral ring?

oh yeah she acn compeltely forgot

[open bone]

Uh, Lunar Vow with full gear and the right supports is also quite good

[hardy elm]

so for a summon entity team seele's new divine key is mandatory and there is no replacement?

[open bone]

No, HLE also has summon entity and so does Luna, but HLE scores lower than Hohe anyway for some reason and most people don't have ranked + geared luna

I've heard trio also does okay this boss but I don't have them to check

[hardy elm]

can i run both elysias then in a team

[open bone]

Broadly as I understand it the ranking goes
Dkey Horb > Ranked luna (+gear and supports) > Reign Solaris > Hohe > HLE
And then I don't know where trio falls. And part 1 horb would be an option but if you have reign solaris to enable that then you can just use reign solaris

[hardy elm]

if i wanna do the summon team isntead

[open bone]

If you want yes you can do HLE + Hohe + FDD

[hardy elm]

and fdd is ?

[open bone]

Fate Defying Dragon

new coralie

[hardy elm]

dont have it

dindt get lucky enough

my burn team suffers because i missed out on her

[open bone]

Uh then it's probably worse because the boss has elemental resistance and you have no breach but you could do HLE Hohe PS

[hardy elm]

to the point i dropped to agony 2 lol

PS is ?

[open bone]

peregrine sword

new shushang

[hardy elm]

ill keep trying for hte seelee key

but i dont have much hopeevery time those keys release

i have ot hard pity htemd

[open bone]

Legit

[hardy elm]

but i keep geting like 3-4 stigmas in a multi lol

[open bone]

if you can send me your full list of part 2 battlesuits you might have something better than HLE Hohe PS but that's my best guess with everything you're missing

[hardy elm]

ive got everything but durandal and coralie dragon

[open bone]

Then yeah I think your best score will be Hohe Thelema Sena but HLE Hohe Badum/PS is second best option

[hardy elm]

ill give both a try thanks

[versed scroll]

[hardy elm]

what weapon build for durandal hard mode stage

cuz njormal was suepr difficult with her even

her running into enemies gimmick kills her fast

[dark phoenix]

which mode

[digital sky]

Hows aponia in the event? :D

[hardy elm]

hard mode

[dark phoenix]

dont even know what that is, can you show a screenshot?

[dark phoenix]

aoe dmg dealer, vill v still the best for everything

[hardy elm]

talking about the event

the vampire survivor one

her other weapon was busted so i just focused on that and the molotov thingies

and let that kill bosses

[dark phoenix]

oh, haven't tried her yet, no idea

[digital sky]

Aw man

The event can be finished today right?

[dark phoenix]

havent done it yet but should be

[digital sky]

Nice

Ty

In copium hopium we trust i get that dkey..please

[violet horizon]

Is the free cards next week a sleect boc

[open bone]

Yes

[violet horizon]

Cux the info says 10 foca 5 expa

Phew 15 foca here i come

[digital sky]

Hows Sena good without helia
Like ur marks kinda just go poof midway without another ws

So ig there is HoRb now but like

[open bone]

There’s a lot of Domain Resonance other than Helia

Like HLE or Badum

[digital sky]

Im talking about her marks

Not trigger'ers

Cuz when i used sena badun vita
Her marks just stopped triggering

[half hatch]

Horb works the same as Teri or sparkle

[digital sky]

Yeah

Oh

Sigh ic nvm

About HoRb atleast

[half hatch]

I mean you still need 2 supports that can trigger her mark since most supports only trigger a mark 6 times and Sena can trigger her mark once leaving us with 1 trigger remaining

[digital sky]

So
crying with no marks middle of SO > L ratio you missed one

For sena

[half hatch]

Seems so

VBs is probably just too slow and her buffs aren't the best so you kinda just accept that your supports don't use all their triggers

[digital sky]

Her buffs arent that bad :<

A lot of ldt tdm and yeah..

[quick cloak]

just wondering when the free elysian box will arrive?

[half hatch]

nov 2

[quick cloak]

is it a daily login thing?or task thing?

[half hatch]

It's a log in event

[quick cloak]

is it on day 1? or last day?

[half hatch]

the log in event contains these rewards and the HoHe or HoTr box is the first reward

[quick cloak]

lezz go

now i need to wait for the new gears

[pearl raven]

I don't see this event in game. Is it because the event has not arrived yet?

[half hatch]

it'll arrive on nov 2

[pearl raven]

OK👍

[fast stone]

they should put HoH dkey in shop or somewhere tbh

🥀

[violet horizon]

Lol 1200 crystals still a scam

Need advice on who to pick in terms of ranks between Hohe and Hotr

My Hohe is SS so i could SS1
My hotr is S1 with 21 frags so i could S2 then SS her trough bp

I do have trio team

[foggy vapor]

How should I split them up for this memorial arena?

[mortal jetty]

Do u have any physical p1 valk?

Like TA, SI, carol, BKE, hos etc..

[gritty juniper]

cupid elysia, herrscher elysia, and new years kiana vs meteroid

bamboo sushang, dragon coralie, and planar helia vs aponia

[foggy vapor]

I have ta, horb, and og griseo built without sig gear. But I also have SI iirc the a rank griseo in the fragment shop unbuilt

[naive shoal]

does anyone have a rotation guide for hle paws fdd

[steel summit]

Idk who is the boss for this, but you can try bilibili
https://m.bilibili.com/search?keyword=爱赫科 红莲
You can search in bilibili if you Google "bilibili hi3 guide", its one of top result, pick gamemode (RL/nirv/ memorial/ etc), the boss, and team members (leader first slot)

[mortal jetty]

Hle kiana badum and cora on pardos
Sushang helia hoh on aponia
And u can cope with your p1 unit on kallen

[weak oracle]

how screwed am I with current abyss if I don't have horb dkey (9 to guaranteed)?

[eager smelt]

rl its easy
nirvana dead

[weak oracle]

umm...

i can't imagine how it's supposed to be done without dkey and with decent score (780+)

[open bone]

HoHE scored 835 in my bracket

[foggy vapor]

hoyo got me so bad....

[open bone]

And there’s an 780 RS

[foggy vapor]

i thought all the keys in the box were global buffs and in picked the only one without cause its not in the reserve....

🤦‍♂️

[elfin parrot]

wait which one did you picked? The only one not in reserve (Star of Eden AE) should be the right choice if you don't already have it

it does have global buffs too

https://i.imgur.com/HWn3NQ1.png

[foggy vapor]

thats the one but do i need to pri-arm or tune it>?

[elfin parrot]

you need to tune it. I don't think you need to pri arm it but i'm not 100% sure

tuning is what adds it to the dkey menu in the first place

[open bone]

You don’t need to pri arm it

[elfin parrot]

doing so will bring up a scary warning saying it won't be trashable anymore

ty for the confirm

[foggy vapor]

gotcha ty!

[elfin parrot]

!faq dkey what

[night parcel]

Divine Keys

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[elfin parrot]

in case you need to review anything

[hearty yacht]

https://youtu.be/XXFX2469vh0
could I ask where my run can be improved, or if there is a better ref to score higher? (s2 horb, s2 lp, s0 fws, s sera)

[elfin parrot]

horb only needs one evade at the start

that fws ult is unbuffed. maybe check out what bmos did to rotate fws in later. not sure if it would help though since you seem to already damage control to be able to fill a full CA before the last mob dies, but maybe you can cut that out and opt for something else

does your horb have an elem dmg affix? seems not. i don't think vita ca alone debuffed sk much. I do think doing the CA with less buff is kinda ok but you may opt to start outburst on someone else to mileage from it more since that's your peak damage

fws outburst canceling could be better

ok your damage at the end was overkill. You can definitely consider the earlier adjustments and spend less time/horb CAs outside of outburst with a non debuffed SK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mokEK2N2dmA. I don't expect you to match this exactly ofc but just see what you can implement from it. I don't expect the last mob to die without horb ult, so i think you will need extra CAs from HoRb's outburst or even after (can have basics near the end of the duration benefit from outburst efffects > End outburst > CA after outburst

[mortal jetty]

Normally mobs should be dead after the seele charged attack smh

So that u can ult on SK when SK Show up

[hearty yacht]

so for now I should try to mimic his p1 rot and go from there?

just to make sure I deal enough dmg to mobs

[elfin parrot]

uh beware that's an SSS sera and SS horb here lol. You can try it out but asaphie prob has a better idea of how to make it end more properly

granted maybe the s2 lp balances it more out

[hearty yacht]

well that ofc, I dont expect to be able to 100% follow his rot but it seems similar enough to what I was trying so might work out might not

[elfin parrot]

i always advocate giving things a try but do review and analyze in post what happens in detail

https://i.imgur.com/b13Kuf5.png

be mindful of this duration too. Not saying to always abide by it though

it makes me wonder if casting a vita BA2 > swap to horb can help since the curvy laser rain is more delayed but in your case that's prob way more time than it's worth

[mortal jetty]

@hearty yacht maybe u can cook something from this..
I don't expect to have same damage

[hearty yacht]

used vita hold atk to swap into horb when sk spawns

idk if that is a good idea or not but ill see if it gets me somewhere

because I do not kill the sd enemy no matter what I try I think lack of damage

[elfin parrot]

on paper it sounds good but yeah it'll depend on how it pans out to the rest of the fight

[mortal jetty]

Did u try it on mobs?

[hearty yacht]

I think im on the right track I figured something out but obv need to properly manage it first

let me send what I was thinking

[still warren]

do we have a "spoiler free" list of weapon banners reruns?

cus I lowky want hofi dk

[weak oracle]

no dkey is pain

[shy cobalt]

While using hle(leader), fdd, and paws, when I go into stellar outburst should I directly cycle to lush spring? I noticed I’m able to pull off dragon inferno or rainless sky once.

[hearty yacht]

https://youtu.be/2vcNUWBkGNU
was thinking of trying something like this

[mortal jetty]

Did u try to qte in with kiana + enhanced +ult? Idk if it can reset horb qte

Kiana qte on

[hearty yacht]

ill see, let me turn it on

also ive been keeping vita s2 weapon time fracture off, should I keep it that way or turn it on?

[elfin parrot]

seeing the second FWS swap into a second CA before outburst, and all the basics after the ult feels extraneous to me (i know you need the damage but maybe there's an alternative more dps efficient alternative to find)
but keep cooking

i don't think it matters but usually for abyss we leave it off since we don't really want to stall enemies

it might help against the SD enemy's retaliation move? no clue.

[half hatch]

Using either of the two isn't really needed, you may opt to do paws CA -> ult for some extra damage but normally after you did your first WA -> WA -> charged ult sequence with HLE you just swap to the supports and instantly ult with them, after that repeat the WA x2 -> charged ult thing and then either do BA X4 -> finisher or instantly use finisher depending on how much damage you need

[hearty yacht]

cant get the kiana qte from lp or horb qte nvm got it to work

unless that's not what you meant and I misread somewhere

[weak oracle]

this is impossible without dkey...

[elfin parrot]

what else do you have?

[weak oracle]

in terms of phys?

[elfin parrot]

uh anything relevant to the scenario

[hearty yacht]

does not reset horb qte no

[elfin parrot]

i see you already tried RS.

For dominance, consider LV and DW if you have them

I've seen HoHE score similarly to LV too (almost 100 points below HoRb in nirv. might be more reasonable in RL)

[violet horizon]

How good is a 4* kianna elf
My astral ops are songque and terri
Mainly 4* her for trio

[half hatch]

Should be able to reset Horb Qte If stellar drain wasn't consumed already, though the CD reduction is only 4,5 sec iirc

[weak oracle]

lv doesn't have any gear and dw does not exist for me

[hearty yacht]

which causes a whole new issue if you dont consume stellar drain at the beginning of the rot (cuz you cant switch back to horb after vita)

[half hatch]

Huh is this just not loading for me

Anyway it's only 4 sec switch CD reduction

[still warren]

me too .. discord dying again ig

[weak drum]

me when no phys for kaben

[elfin parrot]

not a significant improvement but the higher in abyss you are, even small improvements can be important to separating you from other players and preventing a demotion

I have a few older write ups here (can more ignore any very specific examples since they may be outdated now)
the videos there can show you how much exactly kia elf improves by
in the case of trio you prob would more use theresa op at this point. Songque op (for world star) might make it more difficult to consider kiana as well. But there are other niches to possibly stil appreciate kiana elf. At worst you can buy the elf boxes but hold them for future considerations until one is needed for a specific situation
#👶beginner-help message
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[half hatch]

What is songque doing there

[weak drum]

just to qte in n deal dmg

[violet horizon]

Thanks ill prob get her cuz im just a few frags to 5* and can use her in some things. Already have Thelema S2

Sometimes i need that little push 😭 in redlotus

[elfin parrot]

keep in mind thele ss is a consideration too. It is discussed a bit in the spending event pins of #👶beginner-help

and thele arguably is a bit more exclusive/unique whereas elves you can get later when something less appealing shows up in future spending event

but overall up to you

what's more important is you get the full picture before you make your decision

[violet horizon]

Hmm thx

[elfin parrot]

anyway brb. feel free to leave me any questions to come back to later

[violet horizon]

Thanks imma read over that again

[weak drum]

is no badum a deal breaker here

[hearty yacht]

OK I MADE A BREAKTRHOUGH @mortal jetty

[hearty yacht]

followed a couple of things here and incoperated it into all the stuff we mentioned throughout the whole thing so thanks as well sairaan I think I can get 860

[mortal jetty]

Prolao

[mortal jetty]

no thx asaphie? Okay

[hearty yacht]

I literally pinged you

[weak oracle]

i'm done. (i'm too tired for retrying)

had to comb through some er stuff to get remaining xtals for dkey

[mortal jetty]

#My Favorit prof

Asugoat

[hearty yacht]

im not prof

[formal wigeon]

that should be like 100 higher at least

[upper garden]

im softlocked

[weak drum]

yeah its a bug

[hearty yacht]

@mortal jetty :D :D :D

[upper garden]

so that quest just unplayable?

[weak drum]

for now

[mortal jetty]

Amagad

Asugoat is surpassing his limits

@half hatch go bald your life

[weak drum]

prof soon

[half hatch]

Idk how to get more demej

I can't kill with only 1 Horb Qte in SO but with 2 I drop below 850

[mortal jetty]

Ches prof soon? Amagad

[weak drum]

[mortal jetty]

[hearty yacht]

ches prof = end of world

[hearty yacht]

making sure this shitty horb investment pays off 😭

[mortal jetty]

Ofc wdym

[weak drum]

can someone get me a hle paws fdd ref for sss ma

[mortal jetty]

All seele library members need the dk

[weak drum]

i have ss chen so following sss chen refs shouldnt be a problem

[mortal jetty]

Ask paul

Paul is billipro

[weak drum]

ong pro

[weak drum]

@thick aspen help me you idiot

hle paws fdd for the sd thing in ma

[hearty yacht]

btw speaking of ma, what teams for ma

[mortal jetty]

Hle badum cora in paros

[weak drum]

hle badum fdd
rs paws song
kallen teams

[hearty yacht]

no rs or paws

[weak drum]

[mortal jetty]

Sus sparkle wly

Do u have any p1 teams that can clear kallen?

[weak drum]

what was i gonna say again

[hearty yacht]

dont