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[rigid cedar]

SImp still fell under the old skip mentality though, too niche

TFM's success was faulted for her being a good LoA support

[red plank]

wtf was that

[formal wigeon]

People also suffered playing her anyways

[tired swallow]

maybe ye

[red plank]

[rigid cedar]

just a spammer

[red plank]

I see

[rigid cedar]

debatable, for me she was the valk that made world star accessible since I had no chance to obtain Senadina nor SImp

i get the core message however, she isn't a good dps outside quantum

[tired swallow]

Unherrschers your Void

[lament prairie]

where SSS

[tired swallow]

I gave up a while ago

[mortal jetty]

Its the same for 90% of hi3 valk they are trash outside their weathers

[formal wigeon]

Not even as DPS tbh, I've just seen too much malding about her sp as a support

[rigid cedar]

i wouldn't say off-weather picks are evenly trash

it's just the more trash it is, the less ppl will bother actually trying so we have very small sample sizes

not to mention skill difference also being a variable

[rigid cedar]

it is a problem sometimes, but it's probably just not annoying me as much as it does for others

[formal wigeon]

Part of the malding was that her ranks solve it so it's purposefully engineered jank

[rigid cedar]

not a new way to get people to pull

[digital sky]

S2 fixes it

[thick aspen]

no it doesnt

you need SS

and that just solves her SP problems, there are still many others

like her QTE sometimes taking longer or just failing completely cause you land on top of the boss

or her combo attack and weapon moving her away from the boss while she does more damage in melee range

dunno who designed this valk but they deserve some kind of award

[mortal jetty]

S0 vita is still worse

U will not change my mind

[thick aspen]

nah vita is just underpowered

its not like her gameplay is fundamentally broken

[hearty yacht]

is tfm lp fws or tfm lp hofi better

[mortal jetty]

Fws

[thick aspen]

it depends on what you need

[hearty yacht]

well just for this abyss,

[thick aspen]

hofi is faster badum is more dmg

[mortal jetty]

Well in nirvana hofi is not even close

Hofi is kinda bad for stellar drain

Slower than badum

[thick aspen]

damn should i go re do my run with badum

[mortal jetty]

Are u playing sparkle dps? No

[thick aspen]

hofi bad for sparkle but good for teri?

[mortal jetty]

Bruh hofi is bad with sparkle

Go and try

Why would I talk about something i didn't try

[rigid cedar]

does hofi just have more buffs favoring teri?

[mortal jetty]

Idk i dont have teri but even last time we were playing fws instead of hofi ( sparkle dps)

Hofi is negative damage for me atleast

[hearty yacht]

is hofi still used over fws in the other boss, tontu.... what the fuck was it tonatiuh?

[mortal jetty]

We were using hofi before badum iirc

[hearty yacht]

just felt that boss was overkilled easily

[elfin parrot]

i personally feel it's a complete crapshoot whether i use any of the prime WS support options

sometimes it more depends on the specific fight as asaphie explained a bit earlier

[rigid cedar]

in RL you used both fws and hofi

[elfin parrot]

actually i forgot why it's a complete crapshoot for me. My account is just very unbalanced with s2 teri and vita lol

and s0 thele

but anyway account differences aside, i do think fluctuations in dist can affect a support's prime use

[thick aspen]

thelema is the speediest option she does 0 personal dmg but shes also constantly in her ult so its free

[elfin parrot]

she also farms when the cycle permits it

it was really strange because i had one earlier enemy vita cycle where i actually needed higher damage option

but the last time she was around i was able to use thelema just fine iirc

[mortal jetty]

I mean.. if we are talking about nirvana disturbance... fws was still better than hofi last time... hofi was not even close.. it was the same case on qua vita...
Hofi low damage
Slow stellar drain

[hearty yacht]

oh damn

[elfin parrot]

i can't really speak for most people here because again my account is just unbalanced

but yeah if you say so i'll take your word for it

the statement you replied to was more meant to be very general rather than specifically for the cycles brought up

[rigid cedar]

wait, i thought hofi has fast stellar drain when grounded

oh nevermind reso procs are fast, i mixed up terminology

ignore me

[elfin parrot]

the problem with hofi is that she needs to fill her descent meter to get drain

and alot of fights don't really give you opportunity for that

[rigid cedar]

yeah i know, that makes her subpar for many ws comps with many outbursts

[elfin parrot]

sprout and MA SSS AKA are notable exceptions

[rigid cedar]

Litost too

[mortal jetty]

Even in general...
Hofi ss0+3 is still doing less damage than fws s0+1 every time I play sparkle dps ( sparkle s0)

[rigid cedar]

because you can still trigger his transition mechanics with her, with no time loss compared to doing it with FDD

both MA and Abyss

[elfin parrot]

but i don't even mean for those valks

[spiral raven]

was close when dat lobster ran
at least it was here, low ranks you had spork badum hofi, badum vita, lantern hofi, vita hofi, seemd like 5~6 points diff

[thick aspen]

if you need to do hofis stellar drain better be able to do it during a transition

or shes trash

[rigid cedar]

i already corrected myself

[thick aspen]

but on single ring boss dont need to usually

cant remember last time we had double ring WS

[rigid cedar]

even in nirb?

[elfin parrot]

bloodthirsty mobs there's prob a more recent example lol

[thick aspen]

i dont think teri or sparkle ever had

like it must be some age old sena boss

[mortal jetty]

Sparkle need two ring this cycle

[rigid cedar]

oh

[thick aspen]

yea thats why you dont play sparkle in nirb unless you have big ranks on her (or dont have teri)

[mortal jetty]

Sus dps is more comfortable

[spiral raven]

i went both

[thick aspen]

cutscene simulator always comfy

[red plank]

real

[thick aspen]

need more new and powerful LoA valks

[elfin parrot]

i bleed time in between even when i mash/buffer

[red plank]

[thick aspen]

well yea its not like its full timestop

[mortal jetty]

[elfin parrot]

i'm too weak

[thick aspen]

usually either the beginning or the end of the stellar shift animation isnt timestop

its just partial

[mortal jetty]

U mean sus?

[thick aspen]

all LoA valks

[elfin parrot]

FDD feels like she got a pretty nice amount for a non LoA valk lol

[red plank]

i think we need more GoI first since helia is really fing nice

[mortal jetty]

Helia fps killer pls..no

[red plank]

[mortal jetty]

[thick aspen]

what you dont like 20 flying blades and 50 lightning effects on your screen at once?

[red plank]

smh i'm fine with helia with 4th gen integrated graphics tone down ur graphics a bit prof

[mortal jetty]

I am still waiting for ur 30-40fps helia cap score run in MA

[elfin parrot]

you're just begging asaphie to school you with mobile

[thick aspen]

that boss is gone

[mortal jetty]

Helia is fine if u don't mald for cap score...

[elfin parrot]

that sounds like alot of other things too

[mortal jetty]

I just saw an excuse? Fake paul

[elfin parrot]

accept mediocrity and new options open up

[mortal jetty]

Unfortunately there are not a lot of options..so sad

[elfin parrot]

not accepting enough, clearly

[mortal jetty]

[elfin parrot]

accept demotion. run WC

[mortal jetty]

I am washed anyway

Time to retire

[thick aspen]

washed chariot

[elfin parrot]

you're not beating me in that department

[mortal jetty]

Nah I am worse

[spiral raven]

whats its like to be washed if ur born washed

[mortal jetty]

I can not even play properly anymore

[elfin parrot]

i don't think i ever played properly to begin with

[thick aspen]

HATES elfs and aops

[mortal jetty]

Last time I saw ur 100 dodges with thelema on again rpc... I was like hell nah
Dodge malding

[elfin parrot]

tbh washed and washer sounds like a funny meme title for something but idk what

when the hell did rpc last run lmao

[mortal jetty]

It was an old.video

[elfin parrot]

yeah i know which one you mean

that one wasn't fully clean either but it was good enough for the SO cd

i sort of feel i want to see it return

but i know the moment it does i wouldn't want it to

[mortal jetty]

Big respect to the peeps who can mald AR on fire ball against hellmaru

[thick aspen]

careful what you wish for

[mortal jetty]

I am too washed for it

[elfin parrot]

my final run on the recent hellmaru actually made me evade farm off of its dash when it was already going in circles around me

i don't know how that run worked out

but it felt like robbery

[thick aspen]

my team was too weak this round i couldnt mald the fireball anymore had to do ely charge atk on mobs

[elfin parrot]

i did prevent a friend from retaining from that run though so i sort of feel guilty lol

oh i thought you guys meant fireball on hellmaru phase and not mob phase

[spiral raven]

i never malded any fireball with no dmg

[mortal jetty]

U were malding 5 dodge right? Some peeps are malding even more on a single fire ball

[thick aspen]

idk smth like that. however much you need to AR

[elfin parrot]

i know at one earlier point i was using teri because i cba to farm as much

[thick aspen]

thelema rub the ball -> ult > rub > combo > rub > ely qte wep AR

[elfin parrot]

but this and the previous rerun i used DS just fine

[thick aspen]

AR at 996

[elfin parrot]

i personally find that if i don't evade skill off the ball, the ult will kill it

[mortal jetty]

DS peeps were malding like 10 dodge+ jump iirc

Pro

[elfin parrot]

uh was it 10? Felt more like 7 maybe and that may still be excessive? idr

[thick aspen]

i mean its not hard to mald more but you start losing time

DS life

the balls are very friendly

[mortal jetty]

I think laser AR malding is better than fire ball malding... I know its the same but for me it was better somehow

[elfin parrot]

evade ball > ult > jump evade jump > moi (if you veer to the side then reset or manually move instead of ba next) > ba to reposition > jump evade jump > swap

i think that's how it went for me

[thick aspen]

you can get 2 evas on the ball before ult

[elfin parrot]

yeah

but i didn't need it

[thick aspen]

its a lot easier with the newer tech

first round we used to go under the fireball and jump into it

now you let it come to you

[elfin parrot]

oh i think i was still doing older tech lmao

i know last cycle i was getting good enough to consider using kiana elf instead but i also still don't know what the actual consensus is for that elf on this fight

in my mind i don't think it's worth it but i've seen two or so people continuing to do so

[thick aspen]

sera is insane

but that again at higher rank

[elfin parrot]

every WoD weather is starting to feel like a sera check for sure

[thick aspen]

idk how budget comparisons go like S sera vs kiaelf

[elfin parrot]

if not for ARI then even the damage matters

oh nah i was more thinking about kiaelf vs DS lol

but yeah that too

my kia elf is still 3* so it prob wasn't a consideration for me too

[thick aspen]

oh lol yea idk

i legitimately never used DS outside of story

[elfin parrot]

also bringing back this talk, i realized why asaphie was bringing up those specific support valks now. I worded and transitioned that pretty poorly

[digital sky]

Dang it

[elfin parrot]

btw ram do you have any specific recounts of this? I'm interested in hearing more

if it's tonatiuh and kosma then that's fair and understandable

[eager smelt]

its just those 2

[full trench]

what was tonatiuh weather again

[eager smelt]

teri only loses to sparkle because of fire weather

shes better at qua

[full trench]

right

i think i retained rl last time tona ran but maybe im tweaking

[digital sky]

Teris better at qua weather and sparkles better at fire qua?

[cunning gull]

fire according to this

[full trench]

yeah it would have to be fire or teri would have taken it

[cunning gull]

mhm

[eager smelt]

yes

because teri is not fire

[digital sky]

Wait so teris better than sparkle as a dps in just qua?

[mortal jetty]

It depends of the boss

And rank

6s sparkle is somehow better than 6s teri this cycle

[digital sky]

Oh

[digital sky]

What r teris best supports for this boss, aside from the sparkle thelema combo

[mortal jetty]

Hofi vita

[eager smelt]

yes

[digital sky]

Whats the expected score for that in rl?

503 disturbance *

[mortal jetty]

800

[digital sky]

Oh-

Im missing 85

Is SO supposed to kill 2nd phase?

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[digital sky]

I...cant kill 2nd phase with SO

[mortal jetty]

U are probably doing something wrong

[digital sky]

Maybe im rotating teri wrong

[mortal jetty]

715 sounds really low

Is ur sparkle full gear?

[digital sky]

I
Ult -> HoFi/Vita -> Vita/HoFi -> Teri Spam BA

[digital sky]

3/4

No weapon

[mortal jetty]

Teri is it then

[digital sky]

Yeah i got 715 with Teri HoFi Vita

[thick aspen]

because teri is slow

once she gets going she does a lot of dmg but sparkle has better burst damage

[digital sky]

Teri gotta sleep :(

[thick aspen]

so if that burst can already kill the boss then sparkle wins

[digital sky]

She would probably be better if it didnt take her 5s to finish sleeping

[thick aspen]

i.e. when you have high ranks or the boss is paper (redlotus)

[mortal jetty]

Its better to record a run if u want to improve

[digital sky]

Ill come back in a bit, its uploading

[rigid cedar]

Nobody who wasn't super lucky or emotionally attached to Teri pulled SImp due to what 7.8 had to offer:

• Vita
• HoFi's Waxing Moon, reviving Trio and required for Vita DPS
• Carnival with Sena, Thel & Lamp
• Duo AstralOP rerun with Songque and Sera
• CE gear (For LV users)
• Major Spending Event
  Sparkle was for those people a way for people to still play Quantum weathers properly, assuming they didn't overdo their spending decisions in 7.8.
  This argument also counts for LoA, because especially RS and FWS (but also PS if options were limited) benefitted from Sparkle's Ult CDR and force QTE, which gave people opportunities to switch up their rotations while skippers were a bit more restricted. However, I also understand the other side of the argument that most other LoA supports offered better buffs especially in Nirvana.

i know this isn't that specific, but this is my perception in 7.9 and most of the LoA valk patches

[elfin parrot]

it's a perception that i'm trying to understand but you seem to hold alot of sparkle's features as a benefit over other options when i feel they only make her break somewhat neutral in many cases

RS is a fair enough advantage in specific img enemy matchups

even if we were to disregard JDS exploits that made her sailed ahead for the majority of sparkle's LoA lifetime, wyverein's numbers with sparkles weren't that far off either from other options

granted i didn't review wyv's rotation in detail so i may have missed something here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Vvygnx3ck

Sparkle was for those people a way for people to still play Quantum weathers properly
Properly is... not really an effective/necessary term as far as retaining RL goes.

Certainly if i have to pick one qua option out of p2, i would lean towards sparkle over others

But strictly and extremely speaking, people have demonstrated respectable and probable retaining RL scores without a qua valk at all for newer qua fights as long as they understand core qua mechanics and execute well (or even "properly")

of course not every player can be like awawa and sometimes to account for such limitations, a luxury benefit may instead become a necessity in a sense to make it practical/realistic but this depends on the player too

I'm not sure why some of 7.8 is being mentioned. Maybe you're being exhaustive? but it feels very minor to me.

• Duo AstralOP rerun with Songque and Sera (meta f2p aren't recommended this)
• CE gear (For LV users) (not a consideration for most players. LV users want teri anyway)
• Major Spending Event (this happens alongside the rolling)

[rigid cedar]

you're right, i was exaggerating with that term

[rigid cedar]

the point was to list reasons why nobody pulled simp

[elfin parrot]

oh and i forgot, properly goes out the window when fish skip enters the equation but i already made that point earlier

[digital sky]

https://youtu.be/H1yBNY2SQK8?si=roj14EPRkSi9Jay5

[elfin parrot]

anyway i'll be back soon. got a phone call

[mortal jetty]

Why are u switching to vita when u enter SO?

U were also slow on hofi

SO: teri -> hofi-> vita-> teri again

[eager smelt]

ur overkillng p1

need to kill on drain

[digital sky]

Yeah, that was the only difference :(

[eager smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AslWJ1nGEE

[digital sky]

I dont really know how to cancel her attacks...

[digital sky]

Got it

[eager smelt]

u can ring straight after teri ult in p2 if u farm well but i didnt bother with that since i needed to extend for dmg anyways

[digital sky]

I need to reult with teri?

[eager smelt]

how else will u pop the qua bar

[digital sky]

Like sleep ult or boom ult

[elfin parrot]

@rigid cedar i don't have any proof but i can somewhat imagine sparkle's mechanics leading to faster fights if she isn't being sp or damage gated. Therefore in that respect, perhaps she can hold higher significance in RL or below

but also at that point i really do not think the time advantage you get from that alone is significant enough to save yourself from a trophy count demotion to agony 3 as opposed to picking up any other similar LoA support or other coverages.

other arguments that put me against sparkle are not related to her core mechanics but rather her meta and shill.

• Part of her highlight is to support p1 teams that newer players likely won't have. The devs don't give extra abyss weathers to shill this. It roughly takes a portion of the usual amount of shill the valk already has. So newer players can benefit from sparkle even less than any other valk in terms of cycles/weathers.
• Sparkle in particular was pretty odd. She only got 3 instead of 4 weathers of shill? https://www.arustats.com/hi3/timeline/7.9?type=bosses&unique=1
  • Ignite HoV (p1)
  • Reso Vita
  • Fire Kosma

[thick aspen]

main reason is after half a year of must-pull releases every 6 weeks most f2p were desperate to skip anything that looked remotely skippable

and QUA traditionally is

[elfin parrot]

i don't think theresa should be too related to this discussion to begin with

Edit:
sparkle ultimately can operate mostly fine without teri and vice versa. There's a few cases where they do benefit each other but this is never too major afaik.

they both share qua utility but we already established this was possibly more optional aside from the niche kosma and tona

i can prob draw other comparisons but they're a bit too far off from astral ring and more general uses

[thick aspen]

those who didnt gamble with skipping lantern most definitely skipped teri

[eager smelt]

watch the ref

[dusky mantle]

Qua valk = skip

[eager smelt]

lantern had potential until she didnt

[dusky mantle]

Still need to get lamp sigh

[digital sky]

Okok

What elf/op do i use

3* kiana
S sera
S Songqueop
SS dreamseeker

[thick aspen]

its a shame, the valk is actually pretty cool but they were afraid to give her real damage or she would step too much on fov's toes

[eager smelt]

use que or else ur gonna have to learn dodging

[digital sky]

Huh

[eager smelt]

u wont have enough energy if u dont dodge well except for que with free energy

[digital sky]

Oh

[mortal jetty]

Nah latern is trash....
Latern and teri are so useless that u can barely notice the difference when u don't have them

[digital sky]

But like

Teri is ez quantum collapse

:(

And probably good for a lightning WoD...who isnt out but STILL

[eager smelt]

sparklebad too

[elfin parrot]

as a teri fan please stop coping :V

unless you want to add in kosma and tona to that sentence

[mortal jetty]

I never regretted not having teri

[elfin parrot]

one of the biggest things i feared when seeing multiple qua p2 valks was we'll need to manually collapse 4 layers but that hasn't happened yet

[digital sky]

:(

[thick aspen]

its ok they are saving the cool Vishnu Teri for a real element

[digital sky]

Yeah :)

[elfin parrot]

i'm waiting for a real story moment

[thick aspen]

speaking of real story moments and Ram is typing...

hows that story progress ser ram

[elfin parrot]

wow let them cook

[mortal jetty]

Peeps forgot the real qua boss ( couatl)

[elfin parrot]

that hasn't shown up aside from beta lol

but yes couatl was what i was really fearing lol

[mortal jetty]

Oh u remembered

[elfin parrot]

darius made a teri video of it. let me dig that up

[mortal jetty]

I thought i would be the only one who will remember the boss

[elfin parrot]

i don't think i can ever forget the really dumb strats the SS MA version of it had

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udgQOA48lqs

[thick aspen]

shouldnt the "this" be capitalized instead of "seen"?

[elfin parrot]

i was going to suggest "you" for a souja boy joke but that's too low hanging

[thick aspen]

this sparkle glazing essay better not disappoint

[mortal jetty]

Let ram cook

[digital sky]

Sairaan, where's the teri glazing essay to counteract the sparkle one

[mortal jetty]

[thick aspen]

no one is interfering

[elfin parrot]

SA sucks.

[digital sky]

Sci*

Mb

[mortal jetty]

Ram is writing his testament

[thick aspen]

after half an hour of "ram is typing..." it would be peak comedy if he just sent "sparkle good"

[elfin parrot]

Take as much time as you need Ram. I've been interested in your thoughts and viewpoints.

[thick aspen]

yeah dont let me discourage you lay it on thick thats how we like it

[mortal jetty]

U made my day

[rigid cedar]

as opposed to picking up any other similar LoA support or other coverages.
I don't understand that well, do you mean pulling for LoA supports? If so, I do agree that Sparkle is not a backpullable character due to how little time there was to properly prepare for other options.

Part of her highlight is to support p1 teams that newer players likely won't have
As someone that doesn't have the required p1 DPS to make the best out of that shill, I really do not like the way Hoyo ran those weathers before giving any chances to get the other required valks. It felt like a slap in the face and having HoTr from BP at that point and only missing the ignite DPS made that feeling worse.

Sparkle in particular was pretty odd. She only got 3 instead of 4 weathers of shill?
While those reran and a few other bosses appeared later in favor of Sparkle, I agree on that too being odd. While I don't know the reason, I assume that Hoyo either wanted to play it safe due to being afraid of 7.9's reception or they genuinely had other unrelated organizing issues. The only counterpoint I can think of is that she also covered SImp's shill weathers more than well enough, with or without her (Varahal and Opaque Shadow).

Either way, I didn't really reflect enough on the contra sides of the argument and I do understand now that many of my points came from a lot of initial bias due to me liking the character. It's just that I also saw the opposite happening where people were on the exact opposite end. Neither are right in the end and only the unbiased facts are what's true.

[elfin parrot]

There was one time where i was typing up something huge for teammate. However the anticipation was so big that i personally just stopped because i felt the meaning of it was lost at that point from how he was reacting to me typing lol

[thick aspen]

yeah sparkle and teri shill kinda overlapped

i mean even right now, valrahal, whose shill it is depends on your ranks and abyss bracket

[elfin parrot]

I don't understand that well, do you mean pulling for LoA supports? If so, I do agree that Sparkle is not a backpullable character due to how little time there was to properly prepare for other options.
It's not about backpulling. All pulls are going to be assumed on release early in the patch. It's just the cost per valk and weapon don't really change so it's a matter of opportunity cost if you choose to skip an earlier one for the later one, or get an earlier one and not afford the later one.

[rigid cedar]

i'm still easily t1 with 812 without teri

nor songque

[thick aspen]

yeah cause you are in lotus where even s0+1 team pretty much matches something between 6-9S+12 in nirb

[rigid cedar]

its a slacker bracket

[thick aspen]

well, also depends if there is major gameplay changes on some ranks but damage wise at least

[elfin parrot]

also i do want to say before this ends, I know i spoke strongly and at length for alot of points but it's merely info and counterpoints for you to only consider. Whether you change your mind or not is up to you and I respect it either way.

[mortal jetty]

Sparkle is overall still more useful than teri....
Sparkle is a good option for third slow in any LOA teams
1- she doesn't need to enter the field to provide buff
2- easiest gameplay ever as support ( only qte+ weapon activ)
3- ult cd reduction + qte forcing
4- two collapse on qua boss

[thick aspen]

nirbaba only being very small portion of players means sparkle pretty much stole teri's thunder(hehe) completely.. but then again idk if you even want to include sinful and agony into such discussion as people there dont really care

[elfin parrot]

teri can double collapse too btw. It's just she needs outburst while sparkle doesn't

[rigid cedar]

yea she can and will do double collapse, if only slower since you'll need full ring first

aside from that, i always wondered what would happen if you ult teri with sparkle. would that result in a quadra collapse?

[elfin parrot]

i'm pretty sure it does stack. It's been done with a few strats

although quad isn't really correct

because teri's ult wake up and SO ult are way too separated

and a manual collapse evade would require the host to hit. not sure how that would go with sparkle ult on a teammate

[mortal jetty]

Yeah if u are not using SO u are limited with one collapse with teri iirc...

[elfin parrot]

---

i'm trying to think if we have ever even seen qua whale with sparkle yet

[elfin parrot]

yeah

[mortal jetty]

When was even the last time we got quantum whale?

[rigid cedar]

7.7

https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/7.7?type=bosses&unique=1

[mortal jetty]

I was probably afk

I dont remember fighting this boss with any p2 unit ngl

The lady time i fought this boss was with FR dps

[rigid cedar]

i dont think i even had a proper team for this back then

plus i was in full exam mode

[elfin parrot]

i only remember because i tried out sena dps with supports of thelema vs coralie on it

and thelema was actually like 100 points faster

which makes sense given how thele is, but also a bit of a shock when the fight was somewhat short and usually the difference between matching tag options isn't that big with no gimmicks

[thick aspen]

corabad

[elfin parrot]

actually was it sena dps? Maybe it was teri dps with sena support

[rigid cedar]

oh now i remember after you said this, i tried jds/vbs/vbm while having literally nothing else...

[last rapids]

teri sena mps was the team

[elfin parrot]

i think in RL someone (i know who but don't want to name them in case they are sensitive about it) also tried out teri dps without her signature weapon. (using thelema's?) and wind up 100 point less too (which was still retain capable because lol qua)

[rigid cedar]

and i was jealous of thelema and lantern havers

[elfin parrot]

yeah it's coming back to me now because kyoshiro had a really funky rot

[last rapids]

this ring is never going away

forever bricked by ss sonque

every two patches it gets a dlc

[elfin parrot]

yeah they really won't let it go lol

[thick aspen]

one of my best decisions when p2 launched to just pull sss song

initially i only got ss but i think it was on the very first or 2nd cycle when i saw how much more sss was doing i was just like bruh and finished it

[last rapids]

i just didnt have enough, wasnt all that prepared tbh since i was in a doomer mode and about to quit anyway

pulled ss fv so even skipping helia wep (i still dont have it to this day lol) wasnt enough

[thick aspen]

well missing fv was pretty miserable too

they shilled her for a long ass time

[last rapids]

i'd rather play s2 fv and have sss songque

[thick aspen]

oh wait

who's that over there? could it be..?

[last rapids]

bricked by sparkle again

[rigid cedar]

/chickin

[last rapids]

if the game were to chill out for a bit i'd backpull sss sq and ss sparkle even now

but they're pushing insane release schedule

[thick aspen]

technically its been chilling out for past half a year what with 9 week patches..

[last rapids]

bruh u think those 3 more weeks of income do anything realistically

[thick aspen]

well its about the same as if in p1 every 3rd patch had nothing in it. no sp no nothing.

[last rapids]

yeah then they drop a bomb

dkeys aos and charecters

all at once

[thick aspen]

you will pay your bi-annual aop and dkey tax

[last rapids]

[thick aspen]

but well f2p income (and monthly pass) enough to get everything else s0+1 anyway

that the only thing need to take out the ol credit card for

[mortal jetty]

This looks sad.. which team are we playing if no fov

[thick aspen]

idk

hoo dps?

[last rapids]

trio

ho yeah

maybe trio is a better option with chen now

[thick aspen]

doubt

the starless buff is ridiculous these days they keep buffing it exactly so p2 teams dont steal those bosses

[eager smelt]

give up and die from the 100+ point gap

[thick aspen]

its smth like +70% dmg done

[last rapids]

oh its starless not fire

[thick aspen]

[last rapids]

yeah no

ho it is

[mortal jetty]

Better sleep then and watch how paul will lose his mind

[thick aspen]

[last rapids]

give us andrius starless while at it

[thick aspen]

there is andrius

but not starless

issa ignite

[last rapids]

idk

ignite kinda whatever

cora was only fun on benares

litost weather is a big flop

[eager smelt]

coralie boring on every boss

[last rapids]

hoi i did two tries but i saw so many people complaining so im just gonna assume it wasnt a good experience either

[thick aspen]

3S HoO 100pts behind SS0 FoV (with s0+1 sparkle)

the memories

[eager smelt]

dont worry all the fov players quit already

[last rapids]

hi

[elfin parrot]

HoI looked miserable for the late buff refresh strat if you weren't already getting it

[mortal jetty]

The problem with the weather is that there is not a lot of cope option..so sad

[thick aspen]

you could literally take -1 point and get the refresh 100% of the time

[last rapids]

i think i got lucky in that boss lol

[thick aspen]

only the maldest of malders would complain

[last rapids]

i dont remember having a problem

[elfin parrot]

oh i guess i never figured it out then lol

[last rapids]

starless weathers are starless for a reason

[thick aspen]

you just had to evade away from the boss when the ice was landing to bait an ice away

[last rapids]

though i wish they did anything other than rime or SK

[thick aspen]

so coras breath wouldnt break it

[last rapids]

rime is boring

[mortal jetty]

For real

Rimetrash

[last rapids]

same run basically and now its pretty much a basic rotation

[elfin parrot]

would a neutral evade facing the boss qualify? or does it have to be a deliberate evade away?

[last rapids]

it was fun on release

first run of this boss on fv release i did 3 uploads

score was changing by the day

[thick aspen]

had to hold stick directly away from boss

[elfin parrot]

hm ok

[thick aspen]

maybe even 2 evades if you were for some reason hugging her

[last rapids]

sparkle killed p1 fire

[elfin parrot]

i can't remember if i did that or not

[last rapids]

dumbed down to a stupid degree

[elfin parrot]

i think i was told at one point there were rng positionings but maybe for something else

[thick aspen]

some of the ice is rng but a few of them land exactly on top of ou

so if you didnt evade then you had to pray for the rng ones to be far away enough (spoilers: most of the time they werent)

[elfin parrot]

at that point does the timing of the evasion and evade skill even matter? Watching the refs and talking to others made me thought it was the timing of the crystals spawning

and you were basically aiming to slow down the attack animation between the spawning of two ice

---

what i ended up settling to do was to just outburst sooner so i gain my stacks later so it lasted long enough for my last SO attacks

[thick aspen]

i mean its both

cause you want to be away from the boss for a moment when the crystals are spawning

[elfin parrot]

hm ok i see

[thick aspen]

you can see here 01:39 on the vid https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xQeFz7Eem/

he puts 1 crystal in the back by evading and then it only breaks later when he does coras enhanced weapon in the outburst

and refreshes the stacks

[elfin parrot]

pretty hard to see the crystals here but i see the actions otherwise

the stack refresh much later than other refs i see so yeah it makes sense

i know i spent one fight scoping and scouting but i guess i never noticed because they mixed aimed and random stuff together. That's bullet hell level of rude lol

i should've suspected it though since transition does the targetted stuff too

[thick aspen]

have to keep reminding yourself the game is in the end designed for redlotus andies and rng mechanics are "fun"

[marble venture]

Where would I find footage of how to execute specific team rotations

[last rapids]

https://honkai-guide.web.app/#/

use this, insert team lineup and weather etc

[thick aspen]

In-game tutorial if your team isn't too obscure

[round arch]

IDK reason to keep the starless buffs, why not just give it normal buffs like it used to have?

me starless = insta -200

[last rapids]

to maintain some degree of p1 usage, dont complain too much

out of what

18 weathers this patch, only one p1 weather

same for previous patch

[round arch]

well, it still would have been a p1 weather without the starless buff.

FOV type counter advantage is enough to pull ahead of p2 teams

[last rapids]

helia is a thing now

she also has the type advantage and the speed to pull ahead by a lot since she doesnt require sparkbitch or a support from 2022

[round arch]

thats true, the fire buff wont be enough to stop helia from beating FOV xD

[round arch]

yeah the rot takes really long

[boreal eagle]

oh no is that boss with the lanterns stack buff

[thick aspen]

Fov already loses fire weather rime to trio and probably badum too

[boreal eagle]

i remember malding positioning to get more stacks sooner

[thick aspen]

Well definitely badum now that cora can ignite

[boreal eagle]

[narrow cedar]

oh i just realized its PSY boss i cant do what i thought i was gonna do

[digital sky]

@eager smelt @mortal jetty ty, i went from 715, to 788 just from doing teri boom and tennis racket spin first...well and hofi then vita but still! Yay

[eager smelt]

now do 800

[digital sky]

What astralop do i use then? Disregarding ari regen, ill evade farm if needed

U said songqueop before but just making sure

Cuz of the ari

[dark phoenix]

abyss is done, time to sleep

[vernal terrace]

[stiff scaffold]

Hi! Can someone help with this, it looks like it's broken, because a pass through hay objects, but they still catch fire :C

[dark phoenix]

jump up, turn off the fire, break the rock, push the hay stack to the rock place, raise the floor, burn the torch on the left, lower the floor, jump up, light the fire

[sacred cape]

anyone got a brainlet 6S not that many sync ref for abyss

Teri sparkle is just +1

[dusky mantle]

greetings

what score does non sparkle team get lol

[eager smelt]

800

[dusky mantle]

oh sorry, no teriri as well

[eager smelt]

give up

[dark phoenix]

be like me, get 15k then sleep

[dusky mantle]

750 pretty much impossible?

[lapis raven]

my vita shd be able to 700 but anyt more i doubt

[dark phoenix]

nir

[dusky mantle]

oh

in rl rn

[dusky mantle]

lp hofi vbm?

[lapis raven]

fdd

[dusky mantle]

kk

[eager smelt]

wont do it unless u have good op

[dusky mantle]

its called DS

[eager smelt]

yeah so give up

[dusky mantle]

i love slacking

[quaint saffron]

Just a question, can Behold: Defying Dragon support sparkle dps team?

[worn badger]

Goal: Become A Sidekick Extraordinaire

"Collect data on all the Sidekicks, and gather some materials for me... A reward? Heh, I won't agree to wearing a dress."

Rewards

Objectives

Upgrade all sidekicks to their max level.

83/84
i need help the event
i finish all the quest but this one keep here

[full trench]

she doesnt have domain resonance so no

i mean she might be better than stigless weaponless vbs still if thats your only options

[vernal terrace]

She's cope support

[quaint saffron]

that's the reason why she can't proc the resonance- I try basic attacking and the DR just don't proc- HHAAH- Learned the hard way that she really doesn't have one- XD

[vernal terrace]

Valk without Domain Resonance can't trigger reso marks

[quaint saffron]

yeah, i just didn't read thoroughly enough on her kit-

Anyways, how about Reign Solaris DPS? Can the Defying be a support on her? Currently, my RS DPS team is RS-Sparkle-Songque, and it works fine for me on physical weathers. Does changing Sparkle to Defying change the dps of the team?

[vernal terrace]

FDD has Heavenly Shift so yes she can support RS

[quaint saffron]

but is she an upgrade on sparkle? ~

or on Songque?

[vernal terrace]

Well- heard a lot FDD is quite slow (not as slow as Vita) last time we had an RS boss, she didn't use Vita or FDD

I believe RS either used Badum and PS or PS and Spork

[quaint saffron]

and I have no Badum- XD That's why I am running the lower tier of RS DPS. So, welp- XD

[vernal terrace]

Oop

[vernal terrace]

RS, Spork, and JDS should be fine on Dudu weather's

[quaint saffron]

yeah, that's my physical team for a while now. XD glad I have those 3- ~

I have answers on physical weathers on some time- 😆

[vernal terrace]

Mine is only PS

[rigid cedar]

all you have to do to know if she supports someone is either using the filter system and look for the right Astral Ring Attribute or just tap on her AR attribute icons

RoO valks who lack the right attribute tag are always less effective than valks that do have it

this is why Vita sucks for GoI teams

just to name an example

[rigid cedar]

to add to this, the filter usually does show Specialization and Attribute on top of each other. So no way to mix up what belongs to what if you use it

[twilit sparrow]

its been weeks and im still having problems with coralie is there like anything i can do

[eager smelt]

queue the input later
or play on pc

[twilit sparrow]

ive tried every possible timing i think and none of it properly worked and i dont have a pc

[eager smelt]

mobile cant do inputs early
except if u do them late then u cant use all 3 stacks

[twilit sparrow]

so does that mean neither way will work

[eager smelt]

it means u need good timing

[twilit sparrow]

oh

[boreal eagle]

weird i never had this problem it worked with any timing for me on mobile

[crude cloak]

Same

I'd also try releasing the button at some point

And holding it down again

Probably right after the second level activation

[acoustic valve]

literally how do i complete this i've tried to do this lots of times and wont do,,,

[formal wigeon]

Use a character that has a combo attack, kill with it

if it's a low level thing, just use crimson impulse (the basic Mei from the start of the game) and hold atk

[crude cloak]

Keep in mind Charged ATKs and Combo ATKs are different things

To check which one a valk has you need to go to her Skills menu

[acoustic valve]

thank you!! i was struggling w it, bcz im doing chronicles to farm hehe

[stone mist]

How do you solve this puzzle🙏

[eager smelt]

iirc u could push this one

[stone mist]

To where???

[eager smelt]

down

so u dont burn the 2 necessary ones

[thick aspen]

start by extinguishing the torch

[elfin parrot]

@stone mist

[tired swallow]

can you still clear Abstinence in ER as level 15 Herrscher of Thunder (or any other older unit for that matter)
or only newer units are valid there nowadays

[eager smelt]

can clear with anyone

[tired swallow]

thankies

https://tenor.com/view/focalors-focalor-hydro-archon-god-furina-gif-4439419981373623156

[muted umbra]

good day people, any knowers? should i gene limit my abyss flower weapon? it seems dudu is not used in meta bosses anymore afaik x)
Also i still have 2 yellow boxes to gene limit 2 divine keys, should i use at least 1 more to get that extra 10 atk?

[spiral raven]

gene limiting doesn't destroy it or anything

you have to gene limit to pri arm anyways

so just go ahead and do it

[muted umbra]

oohhh alright 😄

[cyan surge]

do any of you guys know what quantum pig dist was for NA Nirv ?
(feel free to ping reply me)

[last rapids]

547

[dark phoenix]

new event feel so shit

[open bone]

At least it doesn’t take much time

[modern yew]

New event funni, i enter so and immidiately get like 147 ari back

[small nacelle]

Hello, does Star Tempering Clash replace Hot on the Trail or is it just a similar event format?

[dusky mantle]

just waiting for 6 days so i can speedrun

[digital sky]

Is Vitas Best Team include wepless Coralie²?
Ik shes BiS with her sig wep, but
Betweem
Vita HoFi Coralie¹ Coralie²
Whos better?
-# (Yes i plan to get her weapon im not entirely stupid)

I do remember that Coralie¹ and HoFi were comparable on vitas last boss, depending on what you needed

[spiral raven]

vita coralie coralie was apparently more dmg on ring
but if u dont have ss chen then prob just vita hofi dragon coralie

dragon coralie no weap still better than base cora

[digital sky]

No chen
Only SS Dreamseeker, S Sera, Songque, and Teriop

[digital sky]

They are stealing coralie¹'s weapon btw

[quasi pier]

that's assumed when you say no weapon dragon coralie

[digital sky]

im using foundry

[digital sky]

Oh and 3* kiana

[spiral raven]

yea then just vita hofi fdd with vbm's weap

[digital sky]

Vbm is worse than HoFi? In this situation?

[spiral raven]

last time the verdict was that if you're spending more time in ring than off ring, you should do double cora

[digital sky]

Oh and for helia and badum

I got all LoA supports, but songque and dudu and sushang ...iirc
And just HoH and Badum for GoI

What would badums best team be?
Vita Coralie²?
And helia
Badum Coralie²?

[spiral raven]

is prob boss dependent

last time sa, i ended up using badum sonk coralie
for helia against para sushang, most ppl ran coralie ps or coralie badum

[cunning gull]

it doesn't replace it but hoyo either puts it or HotT or powered duo at the near end of the patch depending on whatever they wanna put

[full trench]

running sushang fdd and fws jds for ma, who should i use where out of paws/hohe/vita

[mortal jetty]

Sushang fdd paws on mobius
Fws jds hoh on SA

[arctic remnant]

do i need to play this daily or can i farm the whole score on the final day?

[crude cloak]

The latter

[digital sky]

How is vita against ignite bosses
Like Vita Coralie² and HoFi

Cuz i dont think coralie² without a weapon is worth trying

Huh?

[full trench]

she's ok, pretty sure she actually beats coralie with high enough investment

but darius might just use vita lead because coralie is chopped idk

[digital sky]

I should of specified, i dont have coralie weapon so i doubt they'll do dmg

[full trench]

you did specify

[digital sky]

Sorry im slow

Lmao

[red plank]

[digital sky]

Wdym by high inestment tho? Its S0 vs S0 btw

[full trench]

i mean ranks and syncs

[digital sky]

S0 and no syncs

After i get cn sss, ill probably focus on syncs...or do sss vq lmao

[full trench]

am i the only one in the world who bought vbm syncs

[digital sky]

I didnt cuz

I was like

Not a pt2 player till 7.7

7.8 completly

Cuz i got teri in 7.7 for lv, and 7.8 i got vita and sena

~~But anyways ~~

Its up there in priorities now

[vernal terrace]

I'm close to sync 3

[digital sky]

Is Badum Vita and Coralie² a good team?

[open bone]

Sure. Vita is a little slow on the team but it’s Badum + 2 HS valks

Can’t go too wrong there

[digital sky]

What about compared to 3/4 sparkle, or helia or HoH

[open bone]

Depends on the boss, HoHe is better over vita if say there’s an aiming component and sparkle probably still better for quantum.

[digital sky]

Its only tank though

[open bone]

I would expect Badum Paws FDD is typically better than Badum Vita FDD

But like the difference isn’t going to be enormous either way tbh

You can always try both

[digital sky]

Oh

[dusky mantle]

Howdy

[full trench]

omg besties

[open bone]

I have sync 2 vbm but I grabbed waxing before I got sync three so I only have 2 parts for that

I’ll get around to it when I have spare asterite

[dusky mantle]

Ew not besties

Come talk to me again when sync 3

Asterite so cheap can find on the ground anywhere haiya

[vernal terrace]

I'm one off from Sync 3

[cunning gull]

nope, i have sync 3 as well
left vbs's wp sync at one bc i don't use her

[vernal terrace]

My VBs weapon non existent

[open bone]

sorry but dorm levels come first

[eager smelt]

i need more asterite

[cunning gull]

same but i need it for time capsule

im planning to buy the whole shop if possible

[crude cloak]

200k is doable if you hard save and alr are buying them ASMs for coins from the Daily Shop

To salvage ofc

[crude cloak]

Very comfortably

[open bone]

When is time capsule coming and what’s for sale there

[finite barn]

the asterite economy was pretty dire when coralie and helia just released...

[eager smelt]

the asterite economy is still dire

its never not dire

[spiral raven]

same im alwyas broke

[dark phoenix]

do ppl just gamble with ncc for double good lines? too much clicking for me, and very low chance

[eager smelt]

u either gamble with ncc or u gamble ur bracket is easy

[dark phoenix]

i only do 1 good line then use wafer, but not enough wafer

[eager smelt]

i only wafer 1 or 2 stigs

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/LTPolmS.png wafer? wafer this smh

[pale palm]

Which AstralOP is better when Vita is the main dps
Entrophy SS or Terri at S rank

or Kiana at 3*

[elfin parrot]

https://youtu.be/fQdDBoZOzAw?t=256

note the timestamp

beware you may find times where you would sacrifice damage for earlier/greater astral ring intensity/energy

[neon narwhal]

numbers comparison for vita specifically
teri has initial ari. For mobbing just go teri, I'd say almost always the same for bosses unless you're prepping an SO nuke ig, then it's kiana
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1096115051150180543/1423686934194032690/image.png?ex=68e13747&is=68dfe5c7&hm=1d164fe4f4b22ec4ed4ff26cb824d0f8f4324932e9e9a432d9f36ba425fa4419&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=461&height=398

[pale palm]

thanks

[formal wigeon]

you're confusing values together there (and forgot some too)

tdm ≠ tdt and edm ≠ edt

[neon narwhal]

lemme recheck

ah ds

[formal wigeon]

DS is 12% tdm passive + 3% tdt in SO (+7% extra tdt at SS)

for teri, the 12 ele and 5 total are taken as well

[neon narwhal]

yeah my mistake

thank you

[formal wigeon]

and Kiana SO buffs are taken too

[neon narwhal]

...I'm blind

fixed

thank you

[formal wigeon]

you still missed 3% tdt for DS

or maybe not

idk if it's translation diff, but ye the english text does imply it's 7 total

but that'd be the only skill that's written like that

[neon narwhal]

is it additive in CN?

[formal wigeon]

no idea, couldn't find the CN text

nvm found it, and it seems to be "to" as well

so it's 7 total (still weird that they decided to write this skill differently from every other one but oh well)

[fallow coral]

think its worth trying for songques weapon? i have her and her stigmas already

[formal wigeon]

here it is if anyone passes by that actually understands CN and doesn't need to cross reference multiple translators like me

星环爆发状态期间，场上敌人受到的全伤害提高效果提高至7.0%

[formal wigeon]

probably not

[spiral raven]

up to 7%

yes

[hearty yacht]

is vita literally the only non paws option for this abyss

[quasi pier]

can try sena if no other options

or luna if you got her

[hearty yacht]

sena wpless.... this is gonna be fun

[boreal eagle]

can someone explain how tf he got insta paralyzed here after sus ult ?

[crude cloak]

The mf doesn't get Iron Body instantly

There's a split moment where it doesn't have it right when it spawns

Just timing mald essentially

[crude cloak]

HoO DPS

Or, yk, LV

But you don't have the latter

[boreal eagle]

wtf

[crude cloak]

Ah, she alr was mentioned

[half hatch]

and he also consumed stellar drain wtf ? that timing sounds like cancer

i can't even see a dmg number ainoway

wait prob cuz there is none

[boreal eagle]

i got it was easier than i thought

[hearty yacht]

Ig could try

[boreal eagle]

works even on mobile

[crude cloak]

Would be strange if it didn't

[boreal eagle]

tomorrow ill adjust the rotation for this shet

[normal crane]

||Will the future HoR astral be good||

||Can i go for her instead
Of elysia?||

[crude cloak]

1. Please spoiler tag that (it's CN info)
2. From what I understand it'll be pretty niche (especially if compared to ||Ely||), which makes sense considering the price difference
3. ||It's HoRb, not HoR xdd (HoR is Herrscher of Reason)||

[crude cloak]

This too

Thx

[normal crane]

xd mb

[digital sky]

How much of a dmg increase is coralie for helia for clock and paralyze sushang?

[normal crane]

||i can still go for her instead of ely right? I just like seele more xd||

[crude cloak]

Depends on your goals
If you're a pretty casual player then yeah

But from the meta perspective going for ||Ely|| is what would be recommended more (ideally you want both ofc)

[digital sky]

||hows HoRb as a just a physical dps?||

||or is she like hare, incredibly focused on this one. Specific. Thing? Meta wise||

[vernal terrace]

Feel like that would be boss dependant

[crude cloak]

||PSY Phys with a summon, pretty niche||

[digital sky]

Aw man

[normal crane]

I still use her with senti and prometheus lol

[digital sky]

||i quite literally sturggle with physical so i guess no bruteforcing for me||

[crude cloak]

It's definitely better than nothing at all

[vernal terrace]

||She's better with her P1 gear with them two||

[digital sky]

||well itd be ice or physical||

[crude cloak]

||Yeah, gotta be using P2 supps if you get the new set||

[normal crane]

||ye i use p1 gear since p2 isn’t out yet||

[crude cloak]

||You'll get smoked on every single Ice cycle without HLE, on Phys ones you should still have a chance||

[digital sky]

||but i got all ws supports besides thelema and lantern||
||and GoI...i got Helia HoH badum and Coralie||

[digital sky]

Alright. Got my answer

[crude cloak]

||Maybe except SK||

[digital sky]

I got badum and sena..im fineee . . .

[vernal terrace]

||Speaking of, would HoRb be better than PS to brute force Phys weather's?||

[crude cloak]

Probably depends on type atp

At neutral it's hard to tell

[surreal citrus]

How can I improve score?

No I don’t have fdd and no I don’t have badum

[crude cloak]

No HoHE either?

[surreal citrus]

My only GoI sups are dudu and ps

[crude cloak]

Fair enough

[surreal citrus]

Although I’m getting HoHe dkey whenever it comes back

[sturdy thorn]

what do I need to get past this?

[crude cloak]

I made a quick ref, uploading rn

It overkills cuz your damage output is likely significantly less

[crude cloak]

You need to buy fish from Pardo

And put it in the quicksand

[crude cloak]

Though you might need to adjust the 6.5x HP threshold (like maybe doing an extra ult)

[mortal jetty]

1-Try to skip dudu charged in SO....
2- after dudu ult qte in with helia then switch to sus + qte ult -> helia again

[crude cloak]

No point in doing Helia's ult before supps in the beginning btw

[surreal citrus]

I only did it to proc PS qte, but if it’s not necessary then I’ll skip it

[surreal citrus]

Thxxx

[crude cloak]

Btw, is it just me or does uploading stuff to YT take too much time recently?

[rigid cedar]

you can also throw her weapon skill early and hit clock with the second attack

it triggers her stigma effects just like qte

as long as it hits an enemy

[rigid cedar]

what's recently, my last upload was fine i think

[crude cloak]

Starting from the day before yesterday at least (idk about earlier, I haven't been uploading for a long while)

[surreal citrus]

Bumped it up slightly, I can probably get 810 if I try hard enough

[mortal jetty]

Yeah u can definitely do better

[vernal terrace]

Alright

[formal wigeon]

when I was still uploading stuff regularly it varied a lot between days and accounts. Could have no issue but uploaded on wrong acc, then switching to correct acc and it takes 3 times longer. Then another one an hour later and it's fine again

[crude cloak]

@surreal citrus
https://youtu.be/SELnt2RBuRE?si=cTpLC_GG0sUD9CxE
You might want to do 1 more ult at 0:36 and/or maybe cut out the CA at 0:46 depending on your damage

[eager smelt]

the overkill is real

[mortal jetty]

840 should be doable. Maybe 845

[full trench]

872 with chen is good right

[crude cloak]

Yes

[full trench]

awesome

i overkill but i dont think its really fixable

[mortal jetty]

If u overkill then u are probably doing something wrong

[full trench]

what should ds score

860?

[half hatch]

Prob bit lower than that the initial ARI limits DS runs quite a bit from my experience

[magic crater]

Can't reach Griseo paints on island

Nvm. Forgot the tree logs

[crude cloak]

Definitely lower

ARI gate as Mango mentioned

[vernal terrace]

Time to see what PAWS, PS, FDD and SS Chenxue can score when I get home

[open bone]

870 or smth

[full trench]

yeah after playing for a bit i think cap is 856 or so

im bad at timing the opener

[full trench]

i got 874 with decently forgiving damage

[vernal terrace]

1 SO I can guess

[full trench]

2 SO would be very funny

[vernal terrace]

Still remember SO wasted time in ago2

[full trench]

classic

[vernal terrace]

Gotten 881 since I had BiS

(This was start of 8.3)

[half hatch]

What's NA dist

[crude cloak]

Should be the same or 1 lower compared to EU

[half hatch]

Damn lower ? Wasn't NA ahead of us not too long ago

[full trench]

510

[crude cloak]

Let's get you back to bed

In RL NA is lower for a long while alr

[vernal terrace]

Isn't NA RL 1 ahead of EU?

[half hatch]

Not even a fossil and time is already flying 👴

[full trench]

? left is eu right is na

[crude cloak]

Yeah, just checked

That's an outlier from what I see

[half hatch]

I'm getting diffed then time to bald tmrw

[crude cloak]

Wait a sec

Yeah, looks like I'm the one that should go to bed

Should've changed quite recently

[full trench]

does this mean i get prof

[half hatch]

Nuh uh

[full trench]

[half hatch]

Watch me get that 880 || ||

[full trench]

i would be very impressed

sasuga mango

[half hatch]

Surely I can squeeze out another 4 points somehow

Actually maybe if I don't CA before SO

[full trench]

got 872 with fws instead of coralie so yeah damage is not a big problem

actually got 874 with fws lol !

[half hatch]

yeah idt i can get past 876

[full trench]

maybe i need to get a metronome to time the opening right

[digital sky]

Would
Helia Badum Coralie²
Or
Helia HoH Coralie²
Be better?
(No corali wep..but 50% longer paralyze looks too good)

[eager smelt]

how about no coralie

[digital sky]

Is badum hoh better?

[full trench]

phew got 876

almost got diffed by this guy

idk why i cant do two ult seq1 though the damage is so much worse

[half hatch]

real

tried the same but dmg just falls off for no reason

[full trench]

also i got 879

where is yours

i straight up have no idea what happened though it died to sushang ult somehow?

[half hatch]

wtf

[digital sky]

Sushang makes such a difference inscore...wth

I only have 800..

[eager smelt]

time ur paralyzes

[full trench]

awa do u know how to kill with sushang ult consistently

[digital sky]

Whats the best combo between Helia Badum/HoH/Coralie?

[full trench]

i think maybe if i get the pre-iron body para the timing will work out for two ult seq1

[eager smelt]

kill the hitcount?

or the boss entirely
because i dont remember being able to do that

[full trench]

the boss

[eager smelt]

[full trench]

i wasnt recording

[lime grail]

me when my only bio valk is phys

🥀

[spiral raven]

what r these sushi shills

have 2 waste 40 points at the end

[slate island]

Does anyone know why mobile honkai lost the setting to switch between 30fps and 60fps for in/out combat?

[eager smelt]

ur device cant handle 60 fps

[slate island]

My device can run 120

[dusky mantle]

Ah shit

Its clock?

[vernal terrace]

Yep

[hybrid ingot]

does HoHe p2 set work better than p1 set in p1 team?

[last rapids]

yes

[keen void]

Whats good from the Battle Pass? I got 43 of the currency and only have Lunar Vow, HoS, and Flamescion.

[spiral raven]

divine keys

[open bone]

Might of An Atu, Twins of Eden, Seven Thunders of Retribution. Fenghuang Down and Abyss flower are a bit less good since they take other mats to get some benefit out of them but still worth taking

Everything else in there is very niche or takes teams or equipment you don’t have to get good use out of (like HoO + gear or Hofi or HoHe)

[keen void]

Sounds good, thanks

I did forget to mention that i do have HoHe

[open bone]

If you have her dkey and Thelema+ Wep you could also consider HoHE stamps from reserve works

But otherwise the advice stands

[keen void]

what is her dkey? is it the whisper of the past?

[open bone]

Flawless benediction

The one that gives you the astral ring mechanics on her

[crude cloak]

It didn't though

Can you show your settings menu?

[slate island]

“Capped at 60 fps in non combat scenes”
You used to be able to choose to stay on 30fps when not in combat, and switch to 60 for combat, or vice versa

[crude cloak]

Ah, you meant that

Yeah, outside of combat it's just the minimum value between what you set and 60

[slate island]

That’s a pretty annoying change because the old system was already perfect

[crude cloak]

Not much to say other than "because Hoyo said so"

You can try submitting feedback through the Ai-phone

[slate island]

Hm.

Well thanks for the reply

[spiral raven]

if you want, can go to registry to od this

TargetFrameRateForInLevel is your combat one
TargetFrameRateForOthers is the one your afte

[crude cloak]

They are talking about mobile

[narrow bear]

guys, need your advice - which quest takes the least time / effort to clear, what's the optimal way of getting this achievement?

[round arch]

the star which the moon gazes upon, chapter 1

its just cutscenes

press skip and its done

[narrow bear]

perfect quest, thanks

[narrow bear]

shit

[round arch]

Just rinse and repeat for 2-3 more patches lol

[spiral raven]

does expedition not count

[dark phoenix]

pretty sure it does count, not fast i guess

[dusky mantle]

mhm

[digital sky]

For this boss is hoh badum or hoh/badum and coralie
(Wepless coralie) better for helia?

[spiral raven]

u can try it out but prob badum and weapless coralie

but no ps is likely demoot

[digital sky]

I got 800 :(

[mint plover]

It doesn't

[mint plover]

Id say coralie, but the best way to know is trying

Btw ps>fws>hoh

[digital sky]

I dont own ps :<

[dark phoenix]

i remember it wrong then

[digital sky]

Im quite literally getting 800 consistently :(

[mint plover]

You in kekvana?

Share the run

Theres spme tricks

Try something like this

https://youtu.be/5c6J4rddBok?si=QLhhzngGd-THLWj3

Even if it's ps the thing is getting ult at 995

[boreal eagle]

wow so fast at the end with sus

doesn't matter if i evade that flashbang atk right?

[mint plover]

Its cause pf sss sus

Ads more hitcoint to ult

So itamages to clear the hitshield

[round arch]

bro has sss+3 sushi lol

[mint plover]

Cant be done by us plebs

[round arch]

he starting with sushi early cause more hitcount plus that sushi dmg killing the boss at the end

[round arch]

we can just watch lol

its s0+3 s2+3 sss+3 sss team

[boreal eagle]

[digital sky]

Rl

[spiral raven]

u can do this opening if ur not alr doing it
https://streamable.com/20ig6m

and then idk the rest

[digital sky]

I was not.

[digital sky]

https://youtu.be/RV1CHlz_QV8?si=4nWjr004MB6QKVPW

[spiral raven]

oh u can also try to partially skip the second atk of helia

and then ig you just have to find out whether or not, should u bother with doing that thing with coralie for the hit count check

[digital sky]

Idk but her ult is helpful thats all i know lol

Was just testing the wa stuff

[spiral raven]

i took 40 points from the moment hit count showed up to finish

u took 46

so ig +6 points if u just copied directly

but idk if there better ways

[digital sky]

Hm

[digital sky]

Second rot of SO?

[spiral raven]

no, when you do her sequence, like ult wa ult -> now you spam atks right

you just did normal atks until ult

but you can do atk atk eva and thne continue

point is the eva after second atk

cuz u see how she pulls back with a punch in her second atk, that kinda slowge

[digital sky]

Im confused

[spiral raven]

i think kyoshiro had a vidf

u can go watch it, the point is that helia's normal basic 4 sequence, if u let it go through without doing anything

is quite slow, u can speed it up by doing eva after the second atk

and he does it better than my vid, my run is doomed anyways

[digital sky]

The animation cancel?

[spiral raven]

yes

[pale palm]

should I be getting paws or wait for Elysia?
I tried few pulls on her weapon and banner but got nothing(I get all 3 stigmatas but as usual no weapon)
The banner is at 50 before pity and the weapon is at 40
I have 46k crystals left
I don't have badum but I have fdd

[elfin parrot]

!faq backpull

[night parcel]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[elfin parrot]

short answer, go for ely probably

do you have any further goals you can specify for us?

while SD valks commonly are used together and therefore lack of FWS prob raises concerns for ||ely's SD matchups||, you have to start somewhere with them

[pale palm]

it's just that I cannot survive in rl anymore,every time I loose 100 points and get demoted and once I get demoted,I get promoted...and then demoted again

[dusky mantle]

Ah a bouncer

Pretty normal dw

[elfin parrot]

i think they mean bouncing between a3 and rl rather than rl and nirv?

[pale palm]

yes

[dusky mantle]

Hmm

[elfin parrot]

loosely speaking the main answer to that is really just to keep up with new releases when you can afford them early in the patch

certainly not having helia or badum right now will make you miss out on their situations but if you're not a complete whale willing to rush catchup on everything at a high cost, then we're dealing with opportunity cost

and it's loosely not worth trying to catch up on an older valk that isn't going to be as greatly emphasized compared to a new release

[dusky mantle]

Trust me. Thats your fomo talking.

[elfin parrot]

i don't think badum's utility is going to be too huge either at an RL level

[dusky mantle]

Backpull just has a poor Rate of Return compared to latest valk

More mileage to get so to speak

[pale palm]

I don't have badum,sus and paws and ever since badum they keep rotating bosses that I cannot deal with,always requiring one of those 3
I may have 2 but not one of those 3 situation even if they are not the dps

[dusky mantle]

Oh. You didnt pull for the last 3 patches?

[pale palm]

I tried but I didn't go all in

[dusky mantle]

Nvm

[pale palm]

I have dudu and fdd

[dusky mantle]

Yeah i got that

[pale palm]

all other valks exept those 3

[dusky mantle]

Hmmm. This might sound condenscending. But maybe its a rot issue?

[pale palm]

I was hopping they will start focusing more on fdd but she barey got anything

[dusky mantle]

Then again. Past 3 patches no pulls

[quasi pier]

ignite only has a handful of bosses

and they gave her like 2 spread out in the patch

[elfin parrot]

regardless of what you're missing the advice remains the same. You'll certainly suffer on their situations for a while until they start to fall off more, but it's just not prime time to pick up on them anymore.

Catching up on the meta with a limited budget in HI3 is more about looking forward and pulling new releases with only a few skips here and there. Your coverage from that point will become good enough to retain RL even with a few skips, and older valks will fall off.

[dusky mantle]

Id expect fdd to get some.use next patch dw

[quasi pier]

but yeah the issue still is that you shouldn't be skipping that many valks

[elfin parrot]

we've kind of been going through "seasons" of astral ring types too, so once they announce the next one badum and sushang who doesn't have any locked skills to support the new ones will fall off more then

vita is a pretty nice past example of this

breach support valk with a ton of coverage for her time

but is falling off now that GoI happened which she doesn't support

[pale palm]

so better skip and pull for elysia
I will just loose 80 crystals per week

[dusky mantle]

Hey dont think.of.it as losing

[elfin parrot]

a valk costs 40k crystals after all. No valk pull will ever pay itself back fully

you already missed out on past weathers emphasizing FWS and PS and PAWS too

[dusky mantle]

80 per week x 8-9 weeks is just 2.5 rolls

[elfin parrot]

pulling on them isn't going to bring those crystals back

[dusky mantle]

So not really losing much

Dw