💁gameplay-help

[open bone]

1400 attack on who

[crude wedge]

Avg all bs

[open bone]

what battlesuits / valkyries

do you have

I can't reccomend a team without knowing who you have

[crude wedge]

I have everyone except durandal

[open bone]

Does that include their stigmas and weapons?

[crude wedge]

Yes

[open bone]

Then make Hohe the leader and pair her with Thelema and Senadina (or vita, if you have her at s2)

when you're in ARC, you'll want to spend most of your time with Thelema on the field, and then switch to Hohe for SO, but keep buffs up ofc

[crude wedge]

Is there any hw that i can follow with similiar attack as mine

[open bone]

there's a reference searching guide in the pins (and ofc it depends on ranks and Aops and such as much as atk) but if you're in RL you shouldn't have any issue retaining with the BiS team. Promoting might depend on how many ely simps are in your bracket and how much of a skill issue they have

[crude wedge]

Idk best i can do is 744 with the team you reccomend

[lapis raven]

can probs hit low 800 but nothing more unless u hv ss sonk/sera

sea dist too high

[tribal merlin]

can someone tell me how to farm crystals im captain lvl 80 and ive just been gambling and nor really playing the while time i just recently found out elysian realm shallow gives a lot of crystals

[shrewd python]

Team suggestions for abyss? I don’t really know how to play HoHe dps so if theres a video for that with a recommended team then I’d appreciate it if anyone could help :)

[crude cloak]

The team you picked is the best option (HoHE leader tho)
While this is a Nirv ref, it should be good enough to show the general gameplay (+ the ranks should at least partially compensate for the dist diff)
https://youtu.be/yhGWYbT-0Ow?si=fptyulbgKwloZzmT

[crude cloak]

The most time-efficient sources are Part 1 story, Chronicles (not really the Challenge Mode), Expeditions and ER Shallow Sequences
For other ones you can check "Crystal Sources" in the pins

Don't forget consistent sources like Abyss and ER Deep Sequence though

[craggy ivy]

Do you heb homework

I'm missing so much dmg on hell

[crude cloak]

Homework for RL? Smh my head

[lapis raven]

no i abuse ss sonk

i dint do 1 so run

[craggy ivy]

[lapis raven]

our mobs are too tanky to do without SO

and too squish to do a full SO rot

its so stupid i legit SO, use thel shadow, end SO

[craggy ivy]

I should be at around 820-825 if I didn't goof up mob grouping

[shrewd python]

Is there a reason as to why FDD isn’t preferable over Vita? I thought she powercrept Vita

[lapis raven]

if u hv ss sera maybe u can 1 SO still tho

[craggy ivy]

Trying to see if higher possible without sera/ss sonk

[lapis raven]

she dont got the support for wod

[crude cloak]

Because FDD doesn't have Harmonized Shadow Star

[lapis raven]

only for loa

[crude cloak]

Which means that the Rondo duration and the buffs will be worse

[shrewd python]

Ohhh got it thanks

[crude cloak]

And GoI (but Vita can't properly support that)

[crude cloak]

If she didn't have Omniscient Star she wouldn't work at all

[lapis raven]

(goi [loa) ws wod]

vita my goat

[crude cloak]

[craggy ivy]

Lp is more damage than fl here right

Wait no wasn't enough even in lower d last time

[open bone]

Iirc Sena was better unless vita was S2

[crude cloak]

Yes

[crude wedge]

I hope 737 is enough to retain

[crude cloak]

Probably not tbh

[dark phoenix]

who gonna tell them

[open bone]

S ranked DS oof

[cunning gull]

someone is too lazy to do story hmm

[open bone]

That’s gonna be me ||next patch|| tbh

[dark phoenix]

not like ||SSS DS is needed||

[open bone]

Well it is for ||Hellmaru||

[vernal terrace]

And other bosses

[dark phoenix]

what does it do? i only remember more heal and self dmg

[cunning gull]

at least theyre talking about the first one

[vernal terrace]

||Non-elemental are Typeless enemies||

[cunning gull]

ngl im not sure

[dark phoenix]

oh, forgot about that

[shrewd python]

Just for reference, here is my first run, pls help me improve

[dark phoenix]

wrong opening

[open bone]

Yeah you’re losing a lot of points on wave 1

[dark phoenix]

i think you should start with vita combo ult > thel evade farm > astral outburst > thel evade farm > astral outburst

[shrewd python]

What does evade farm mean?

[open bone]

Thelema Ult Evading gives you ARI

[dark phoenix]

you evade the fire ball then ult immediately, so you can keep evade-jump that fire ball for energy

[shrewd python]

Wait, so vita combo ult b4 the thing spawns? But then I don’t get the blue thingy charged for my charged attack

I’ll try but I’ll be honest i don’t rlly understand

[dark phoenix]

you time her wp skill so you can have full bar for her combo asap

like slightly before they appear

i think you can start pressing her wp skill when the ball shot the 2nd fire ball

[shrewd python]

I dont think i was meant to evade on vita lol

Like this?

[dark phoenix]

only thel can do evade farm

[shrewd python]

Wait so I start with vita and then just- evade spam until I get ultimate evasion?

[dark phoenix]

no, start with vita combo ult > thel, wait for the fire ball, can do 1 or 2 basic attack if you have time, evade the fire ball, ult immediately

timer will stop for 2s after thel ult, you can just keep evade-jump the same fire ball

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1rnhizYEee/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=e108321b5509a7b6eed866971986d4e1

like this

easiest way to farm is do jump-evade-jump and repeat

actually, im not sure if you need to use vita

her buff will trigger when you use astral outburst right?

[half hatch]

yeah

[open bone]

Yeah only reason to use her there would be if you need stellar drain

[half hatch]

not even that because WoD shares their stellar drains

you could just trigger another one with HoHe or thele

[mortal jetty]

What is ur hoh rank?

[open bone]

True. Then yeah just no reason since she’s slow

[shrewd python]

S2

[mortal jetty]

Do u have paws?

[shrewd python]

No

guys im so bad at this hahaha help

[dark phoenix]

i guess you can just copy that ref without switching into vita, may need to do few more attack during outburst

[shrewd python]

[mortal jetty]

Is it ago 3?

[shrewd python]

SEA agony 3

[mortal jetty]

How much D?

[shrewd python]

494

I tried doing the jump evade thing but MPS keeps moving really far

And then missing the evade on the red ball

[dark phoenix]

https://youtu.be/hkd40s5fnQs?si=Xb5Vh1uzQKG28rzz
maybe you can try this ref instead

no outburst in p1

[shrewd python]

So no vita opening?

[open bone]

That one has Sena tho and her buffs apply differently

[dark phoenix]

may not need to use vita too

lower D, maybe you can do the same

[shrewd python]

Im rlly confused so- copy the video, don’t use vita, ???

Im so cooked

[mortal jetty]

Give me 10 min I will record something for u

[dark phoenix]

i mean depend on your dmg, maybe you dont need vita buff at lower D
but if you dont have enough dmg, will need to do vita stuffs
tho wait for new ref first

[mortal jetty]

U have sena right?

This is almost 20D more than u

U should be able to more..
The run is not optimised yet..
U can see how i am overkilling mobs

Opener was a bit slow

S2 hoh s0 thelema s0 sena s DS

[shrewd python]

No 😭

Thank you though omg

[mortal jetty]

@storm ocean u should be able to more with this....
U can skip paws qte after ely ult and switch directly to cora..
With ur damage..u will probably kill on finisher

[shrewd python]

So far my highest score has been 750 😭

756

uh i don’t know what I’m doing for the part 2

ok i got 776!

I think switching to mps at the end helped a bit

[storm ocean]

Omg tysm

[cunning gull]

theres still room for improvement! you have some awkward pauses here and there that u wanna lessen as much as possible, i dont understand why after SO did you just spam hoh tho, after SO you could have went back to thelema and use her burst and combos until her burst effect is over or until you do her MoI, you def would need to refresh with vita after thelema if you dont kill the enemy fast too

i also feel the beginning could have just been evade hold weapon then switch to thelema

[full trench]

also turn thel qte off

[foggy vapor]

Is it realistic to reach redlotus/nirvana as a low spender eventually from skill/ just naturally getting new valks?

[half hatch]

yes absolutely, getting to redlotus and even nirvana isnt that hard the hard part is to actually retain nirvana once you're there, though that's mostly something that requires time and a broad coverage. AOPs also become more important in nirvana and you may not have the funds to pull them every time one drops

you'll also lack attack from missing dkeys at first which becomes more noticeable in nirvana

[boreal eagle]

u need a year of good decisions and gems management

minimum

[leaden fjord]

Is she worth pulling? I’m only asking cus I don’t got any S rank part 2 characters and I’ve heard she’s good with Elysia HoHe

[boreal eagle]

not worth pulling

||she will also be in next bp||

[leaden fjord]

Idk why the spoilers but I’ll spoil too just incase: ||do u mean i have to pay for the bp to get her or can she be bought in reserve works||

[dark phoenix]

official infos from CN server are considered spoiler in GLB since we havent got it yet

[leaden fjord]

Ohh

Okay Tyy

[dark phoenix]

||have to pay||

[foggy vapor]

||payed calls like that are only from frags right?||

[dark phoenix]

not sure what you mean

in any case, she isnt worth getting, still good for her role on paper but rarely got used

[fallen bone]

tired of spending 5 min per battle

can anyone suggest me MA teams

pls

before that cursed gamemode makes me quit again

[dark phoenix]

just use buffed mode if you feel too hard

[fallen bone]

how does that work

doesnt the score go down?

[quasi pier]

you get less points but it doesn't really matter that much, getting a good score on an sss boss only gives 20 extra crystals

beating the boss is more important

[fallen bone]

i always beat them it just takes 5 min and 2000 hit combos

[quasi pier]

if it takes that long, buffed mode probably gives you more points

[fallen bone]

like this

[digital sky]

What dps is this?

[fallen bone]

i think sparkle was leading but they died

[quasi pier]

yeah buffed mode gives more

[fallen bone]

oooh nice

[eager smelt]

ugh its hellmaru again

[fallen bone]

ill try, so can i use any chars?

i've been playing this game for nearly 1000 days but never actually tried to understand what i'm doing beyond unga bunga

[digital sky]

Wait r sparkle lantern and sena all 4/4.

[eager smelt]

surely thats not lantern dps

[digital sky]

[fallen bone]

yeah

[digital sky]

Its 150 cost

[fallen bone]

cuz the others died and i didn't wanna restart again

[digital sky]

Not 140

[eager smelt]

they died??

[fallen bone]

yeah :/

[eager smelt]

how

[fallen bone]

sparkle always gets low hp for some reason

[digital sky]

Whats ur rotation?

[fallen bone]

vibes

[eager smelt]

thats crazy
go play the tutorial

[fallen bone]

i just switch qtes

[quasi pier]

that's not how teams work

[digital sky]

unless ur LoA

[quasi pier]

do you know how to activate buffs

[eager smelt]

u can do well with a mid team if u play well
u have no chance of doing well with the best team at max ranks if u play badly

[digital sky]

But u still do other stuff in loa

[fallen bone]

[eager smelt]

go play sparkle dps tutorial

the other 2 are pretty simple

[fallen bone]

i mean just attack
fill bar
jump on a fish
persona gun

[digital sky]

U have to activate support buffs

[eager smelt]

oh no

[fallen bone]

yea i switch to like lantern and do that big aerial attack before

[quasi pier]

actual unga bunga

[digital sky]

And did u do sena CA

[fallen bone]

sena idk i saw some people just switch to her and attack the air a bit

but i like doing a full yoyo pew pew

[digital sky]

Sena CA gives breach to ws units

[eager smelt]

breach to herself

[digital sky]

[eager smelt]

its just for herself
she has passive breach

[digital sky]

Ur wrong

"While Astral Ring is active, Thunder in Clear Skies or Lightning Flash Anchor, team members protected by World Star gain 12% Elemental Breach and a 25% Elemental DMG bonus for 25s. Retriggering refreshes duration."

Under CA

So, no it is teamwide

[fallen bone]

at least im not dying in ER anymore these days

looking at my old screenshots

[eager smelt]

hmm
the breach is for wod

i dont use sena enough its been so long

[digital sky]

HoH did not have the breach

Teri dps:

[eager smelt]

im talking about passive breach

[digital sky]

U mean the offield breach?

I guess or passive

In WoD

[fallen bone]

how can you all tell

[digital sky]

That is WoD
-on entry and on SO

WS senas gotta do her yoyo smack

[eager smelt]

read the kit

[fallen bone]

[eager smelt]

i used to be able to remember kits but im washed now

[digital sky]

[fallen bone]

i read but usually don't understand

[eager smelt]

read more

[fallen bone]

so i stopped

[eager smelt]

u usually need to check other sections for what a term means

[fallen bone]

i'll go watch some youtuber explain

[digital sky]

U can ask here aswell

[fallen bone]

i think my issue is

i feel like all p2 chars kinda work with everyone but

that might not be true

[digital sky]

It isnt true

[fallen bone]

team building was very rigid in p1

[quasi pier]

it's not

[half hatch]

p2 team building is related to astral ring specialisations and tags

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[fallen bone]

so everyone was using the same ones back then

[quasi pier]

p2 valks work with the valks that have the tag

[half hatch]

we have a guide for it at the bottom of this faq

[fallen bone]

so do they all have to be the same tag

like was sparkle sena lantern not a good team

[digital sky]

Part 2 valks synergize based on the AR they are protected by, theres the one they dps and the one they support
For example
Sena Is WS and has DR and HSS
Which means she dps's WS, and can support ws and wod.

[quasi pier]

if the leader is world star, everyone else needs the tag that lets them support world star

[formal wigeon]

nah, max from buffed is the lowest possible in regular

[quasi pier]

it is

you still have to play the team correctly

[formal wigeon]

but it's already too low to be worth anyways so just use buffed still

[fallen bone]

[digital sky]

Sparkle Sena Lantern all synergize with each other, other valks might be a better support but it still works

[stray zinc]

Is Kira the Ssugary starburst girl??

[eager smelt]

yes

[narrow cedar]

of course that was answered by the Kira simp himself

[dusty dagger]

can't believe it's been like 2 years since then

[digital sky]

I think HoTr is better than kira noawdays

[stray zinc]

I'm getting all these random characters and I can't even snatch up their weapons

[nimble flume]

I don’t think that’s a topic worth discussing even, rlly obvious

Kira is like as dead as it gets

[digital sky]

[rare iris]

HTR still getting used cause of FoV and forever in trio ☝️🤓

Checkmate Kira

[pale musk]

What's my best option for HoH op?

[vernal bronze]

I was gonna say sera but you know better than me

No ice Elysia sadge

[pale musk]

It's locked

I have a box option but I only have 22 more fragments so it's not even worth it atm

https://youtu.be/B0b9HwztZpo?si=2ZBJuENv2DMpxjKe This is my best run at the moment, is there any way I could improve?
Also, about what score should I aim for to retain?

I've been aiming to eva spam on one of Hellmaru's attacks. While it's not my best score, this was the only time I was able to do this https://youtu.be/MtTrWt7R_es?si=tMk1CTpDi1HrfBSE any tips on the eva spam?
Also, what do I do after the 2nd SO?

[vernal bronze]

I’m curious, why Senadina?

[pale musk]

No ranks on Vita

[vernal bronze]

Dang

[pale musk]

and no lantern I think? I mean idk if Sena < Lantern. I forget who the best WD support is.

[vernal bronze]

Looking at message history, it seems Thelema is the best, idk who after

Lantern seems good for hit count

[pale musk]

k

[vernal bronze]

But if it’s Hellmaru, you could try Lantern? But I think Sena is better here
You have no other WoD supports?

[formal wigeon]

Sena is best

[pale musk]

lemme rephrase, I have every p2 unit except Lantern and Sparkle.
So my next options are RS and Songque. Sena is probably better because of the breach stuff.

[formal wigeon]

outside of Vita ranks

[pale musk]

ty, any tips on my rotations? #💁gameplay-help message

[formal wigeon]

I'm too washed for that

[pale musk]

fair, ty.
worth a shot

[elfin parrot]

Sena and vita has breach but the latter needs to do manual actions to put it up

Thelema is a better ice dps than hohe when not in outburst and provides critical evade farm utility for this fight

[craggy ivy]

Is hell dash rng or is there a way to force procc it

[rare iris]

Rng, high chance she does it when you keep your distance far enough from her

[pale musk]

Could someone give some tips here please?
What do I do after 2nd SO? And any tips for AR farming?

[eager smelt]

time to give awawa ref a try

[pale musk]

where that?

https://youtu.be/IoGLpKoT330?si=O_QvREu4rnhG9Abt this?

[eager smelt]

yes

master the dodging arts

because the current awawa is washed and cant dodge anymore

[dusty dagger]

[pale musk]

From this #💁gameplay-help message I can tell I don't really know how. How do I get better?

[crude cloak]

Did Awawa finally find a j*b

[shrewd python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXKbEeA0fx8

with this ref i was able to get exactly 798 with this team do u think its possible to get more or no in Agony 3 SEA

[spiral raven]

if u go tsena u can prob score higher

[shrewd python]

i don't have sena

I literally need 1 more point 😭😭😭

[crude cloak]

You should be able to kill Hellmaru during/right after SO, so yes

Turn off Thele QTE btw, it's useless

[spiral raven]

oh ur agony, then u can prob close the ult on hohe much earlier then

for p1

[shrewd python]

oh ill try

[spiral raven]

ur most likely overkilling p1 following that guy's ref and then idk ur dmg when u ring but after hohe SO, u first try thel ult and do combo etc and see if u kill within it, if u don't then u do sena ult, if u still don't then your qte with hohe is probably up and then rotate into her

[crude cloak]

They don't have Sena

[spiral raven]

oh yea, forgot

[crude cloak]

But overall yeah, just skip the Sena part

[spiral raven]

and then if the hohe qte+weap dont kill then at the end, u can also add some hohe weaps right after you finished SO

[shrewd python]

ill record and send it - i don't think im doing it right

[spiral raven]

i mean ur not copying exactly atp, ur alr late at the start

[shrewd python]

no this is with the advice

And this is how my runs were like before when I got 798 (probably messed smthn up at the end but yeah)

Wait I won’t send it bc i can’t replicate that time i did get that score

[spiral raven]

yes but none of my advice was about the very start, im just watrching ur very start and its alr late compared to the one ur meant to copy

[shrewd python]

oh I thought that the thelema qte off thing was what u said

[spiral raven]

do you know what im talking about xd
ur vita should lar have sp for ult at 995 as in the ref
but ur were alr 4 points late

and then ur thel sequence is just weird

if ur in the air, the easiest one u can do is just aa wa ca

[shrewd python]

oh thats her combo LOL

is wa hold weapon or tap weapon

[spiral raven]

u just tap

but anyways just watching ur vid, ur alr late 15 points compared to the ref at when u ult with HOHE

u can try to catch up those points first

[shrewd python]

Which affix is better for MPS

[dark phoenix]

additional dmg is trash, except for luna only

SP/s is useless too

[shrewd python]

so only atk? not mech type charas gain attack or those variants?

[vernal terrace]

The plain gain attack is lower than Mecha gain Attacks and such
Would want Mech gain attack and/or Chained Blades gain attack

[dark phoenix]

they are atk too

tho i dont think you should focus on MPS, rarely used as a dps nowaday

[vernal terrace]

More used with HoHe who needs her DKey

[elfin parrot]

!faq affix

[night parcel]

Everything you need to know about Affixes

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the in-depth Affixing guide!

Overall, you should only affix Best-in-Slot Stigmata and generally aim to get as much Atk as possible on your DPS Valkyries first. Ensure that the Battlesuit/Weapon Type matches what the Affix line demands otherwise the Atk will not apply.

Remember only Physical Damage can crit, and "crit ratios" do not apply to Honkai Impact 3rd.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[shrewd python]

Omg thank you guys 🥹

[pale musk]

How do I dodge with Thel? I keep jumping out of the flame even though I try to do jump+eva. What’s the exact tech, is it just that or do I also move?

[boreal eagle]

gotta be fast and adjust the position with dpad

probably is easier with mouse and keyboard

[dark phoenix]

i find it easier to do jump evade jump land and repeat, you dont move a lot, easy to adjust

could do that 3 times or so

[pale musk]

Ok, ty.

[wild lily]

Ever since i got into masters q manifold i cant beat it anymore what do i do especially since its always been a type counter for fdd

[open bone]

Record a run?

You might be messing up your rotation

[dark phoenix]

masters red lotus can be hard if you dont have proper team, just jumping between agony and red lotus is good enough, tho it could be skill issue too

[viral pendant]

I have a problem that I can’t rank up from agony II to agony III and I always rank down from agony II to agony I and I don’t know how I can play better

[mortal jetty]

1-do u have the right team
2- are u doing the right rotation?
3-U can record a run and we can help u to improve

[dark phoenix]

need more info

[viral pendant]

I recorded, too big file 😪

[viral pendant]

What do you need

[crude cloak]

Upload to YT

[crude cloak]

What gacha valks do you have?

[viral pendant]

What are gacha valkyries, sorry I still don’t understand some terms 😭

[dark phoenix]

Valkyries are the units you are using, gacha is gacha

[viral pendant]

So show you my valks?

[dark phoenix]

yes, mostly the ones you got from gacha

[viral pendant]

Here are all my valkyries

[crude cloak]

Sparkle not having her weap is concerning, do others not have them as well?

[dark phoenix]

not looking good but should be enough for a2/3, not a1

need record of your gameplay

[crude cloak]

(if all are weapless that is)

Should be solid RL otherwise

Actually wait

[dark phoenix]

i can retain a1 without any gacha

[crude cloak]

Yeah, not sure about that part, you don't have many proper teams

[mortal jetty]

Do u have full gear on all ur valks?

[dark phoenix]

i think PAWS badum vita should be enough to promote A3, even without wp

the problem is their gameplay, need some record

[viral pendant]

Kiana and helia has their weapons

[mortal jetty]

Stig?

[viral pendant]

No

[viral pendant]

Yes and also sparkle has her stig

And vita

[mortal jetty]

Keep in mind to pull a valk if u can guarantee her weapon and craft her stig

[viral pendant]

Okay

[mortal jetty]

Do u have elysia new weapon +stig?

[viral pendant]

Herrscher or miss pink

[mortal jetty]

Herrscher

[rigid cedar]

is this bracket hopeful enough for a +100?

[mortal jetty]

Normally yes

What is ur team?

[half hatch]

Seems like my bracket is just slack wtf

[mortal jetty]

847 is ur cap or u can improve?

[viral pendant]

I can forge sth

[rigid cedar]

probably improve and i have a recording

[mortal jetty]

Send

[mortal jetty]

If u don't have her new weapon don't forge the stig imo

U will only waste ur material

[viral pendant]

Sure

[mortal jetty]

What did u use this abyss?

[viral pendant]

Sparkle, helia and Kiana

That’s my team

[half hatch]

That team can work if Kiana is the leader but Helia can't support sparkle for example

I would recommend you to check out the guide at the bottom of this FAQ

[viral pendant]

Yes, Kiana is the leader

[half hatch]

!faq ring

[night parcel]

No FAQ for 'rinf' found.

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[dark phoenix]

PAWS team should be the best here, sparkle is wpless

[viral pendant]

Paws?

[half hatch]

Then the team is fine it's just that Kiana doesn't really work well here since fire DMG is nerfed

[mortal jetty]

Helia kiana and coralie

[dark phoenix]

the gacha helia

[half hatch]

As a DPS that is

[viral pendant]

I use her always

[mortal jetty]

This team will give u a better score

[dark phoenix]

but you didn't use her as the leader here

[viral pendant]

Coralie takes small dmg (sorry for my English)

[viral pendant]

Next time I’ll

[dark phoenix]

PAWS is lightning and type countering the mobs

[dark phoenix]

why?

current abyss is still running no?

[rigid cedar]

oki

[viral pendant]

Ah yeah I can do it again sorry

[dark phoenix]

helia kiana vita should be your best pick now, helia lead

[viral pendant]

Okay gonna try it

[rigid cedar]

how would you do SO gameplay with that team?

just not switching into Vita?

[half hatch]

1 CA and end

[rigid cedar]

ah okay

[half hatch]

Use SO to refresh buffs

[rigid cedar]

so not bothering with Kiana at all

[half hatch]

Ig you could start with FWS -> ult -> paws sequence for some extra DMG

I doubt that her WA would be worth it

[rigid cedar]

yea, i think for extra stack you're 1 shimmer move off

[mortal jetty]

Did u try and normal ult with ely on mobs and SO after mobs phase?

[rigid cedar]

not yet, was too used to not having SP for that

[half hatch]

Getting FoI stacks faster is already more DMG since more ults are enhanced, WA would regen enough for another ult ig but takes literally 2 years

[rigid cedar]

from S2 Ely

[rigid cedar]

Maybe with Chenxue

since she gives extra SP

[mortal jetty]

U can do more

[half hatch]

Should be able to get 4 ults then ig

[rigid cedar]

just talking theoretically, if someone grieved their pulls by prioritizing aop over 3rd goi support

[viral pendant]

Kiana took little dmg

[mortal jetty]

Kiana is not supposed to deal damage here

Helia is ur main damage dealer and kiana and vita are only there to provide buff

[viral pendant]

Okay

Gonna do it again wait

[mortal jetty]

Try to record if u can

[sacred cape]

Anyone got a 3S no sena ref for abyss thanks

[viral pendant]

What about divine keys

Should I use

[mortal jetty]

Left left right left

[dusky mantle]

Man

Balding for hellmaru dash

Or laser

[rigid cedar]

is that needed for 2 SO?

[sacred cape]

Anyone got a quick 952 without kiana or hoh

[spiral raven]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yUeXzFEfT/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[sacred cape]

Oh right if I don’t have kiana I have coralie for that

Thanks

[kind badger]

do we pick kalpas 1 instead kalp 2 now?

[mortal jetty]

@spiral raven what are the new s0 strat on FGO in MA

[spiral raven]

none

well thers dudu helia kiana/sonk/hohe variant

but that is 3s for s0

hoo still secures 2s

[mortal jetty]

Send pls

[spiral raven]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1acnSztEx1/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[dusky mantle]

Lmao

Forgot to do abyss last stage

[plucky gust]

good news: i got 820, securing top 3.
bad news: its 10:01
ending: still top 3, good thing no one tryhurded on last minute

[lapis raven]

d521 hellmaru

[mortal jetty]

Thx bilipro

[rigid cedar]

I need to hit many charged attacks on ely to even get ult, even with SS. Just a rough mobile run for now though

to be fair, i tried to not waste the buff durations and remained outside SO a bit. maybe that killed it

[mortal jetty]

Ofc u need many charged attack before ult...
I u could kill mobs with normal ult ...u can use full SO on hellmaru and clean kill with thelema after SO probably? U need to test

[sacred cape]

What’s the crystal expected for monthly bp for a 9 week patch

[mint plover]

montly allways gives the same, you can check it in game

and just take what a normal monthly gives and multyply by the extra length

a montly normally gives around 3400 xtals /month

9 weeks is 63 days

so 3400x2+3 days

[crude cloak]

Isn't it 3130

[mint plover]

60x30+550x2+330

its 3230

[sacred cape]

… just give me the total for like idk some random abyss base like RL

[mint plover]

you said monthly bp, its normal to think you are talking about a monthly card

and

!faq calculator

[night parcel]

Crystal Calculator

Hi, Captain!

Ai-chan recommends this calculator: https://honkaihub.com/calculator

[sacred cape]

Ok so

When did this patch begin when is it ending

[crude cloak]

August 21st and October 23rd

The schedule is in the pins if you're interested

Add like 2-3k cuz of events and random sources

[sacred cape]

Events gave 2 to 3k?

Since when, it’s like just 500 or something per event for 2

[crude cloak]

And random sources
I'm including login events too

[sacred cape]

What’s even login event

[crude cloak]

3k might be a bit optimistic tbf

[crude cloak]

This (couldn't find a newer ss )

We had one this patch, for example

Should still be up actually, it just doesn't show up after completion I assume

[mint plover]

yeah after commpletion they stop showing up, but they have more time

in your screenshot it shows

[viral pendant]

I can’t do more score

[mint plover]

left 33 days

[crude cloak]

Their generosity varies a lot though
The current one is pretty good, but 8.3's was very lackluster

[mortal jetty]

U are definitely doing something wrong then

Record a run and show us

[viral pendant]

I can’t send

The file is too big

[mortal jetty]

Youtube

[viral pendant]

Ok wait

https://youtu.be/wKta3tqN728?feature=shared

I hope it works

[mortal jetty]

Dodge forwards with vita + transform-> weapon activ +basic- charged attack + ult kiana qte +ult-> helia dps ( mobs phase)
2- switch to vita again and do the same rot u did on mobs until u enter SO

I didn't finish the run because u will probably have more damage

[mortal jetty]

This is a rl run tho but u got an idea

Normally u should be able to kill on finisher..I hope

[viral pendant]

Thanks

[mortal jetty]

Good luck

[weak oracle]

hmmm....

[eager smelt]

why sena

u should be killing with someone else

i can see u didnt kill on ult

[weak oracle]

cause this boss is ass

[eager smelt]

??

the boss is bad but that wont affect who u kill with

[dusty dagger]

709 is crazy

[viral pendant]

Thx

[viral pendant]

Still have to get 25 trophies

[mortal jetty]

I think u can do more

Try to master the aa dodge a with helia

U can see it in my video 0:35

[viral pendant]

I gonna record ok?

[weak oracle]

slight re-play (with rage-busting of AO before boss even appeared)

[normal cloak]

Exalted MA Refs for 09/30/2025 - 10/05/2025 [Invite Link Here if channels are unknown](#💁gameplay-help message)
Mobius [SSS]: https://discord.com/channels/1353576258038005760/1353589497811566622
Sa [SSS]: https://discord.com/channels/1353576258038005760/1353588166677758053
Hellmaru: https://discord.com/channels/1353576258038005760/1353588141172457472

[eager smelt]

u should be doing that on mobs not before boss spawn

[viral pendant]

https://youtu.be/dEwUHzD5INc?si=IAjZpddZvBFgUvAp

[mortal jetty]

1-Why did u switch to vita before SO?
2- after badum ult in SO do her weapon activ for sp
3- after the three ult in SO do the charged attack + finisher

[viral pendant]

What’s SO

[crude cloak]

Stellar Outburst

What happens when you press the big blue button

[viral pendant]

Thx

[viral pendant]

I switched because helia got more sp

[mortal jetty]

Its wrong

U are losing time there for no reason

[viral pendant]

Okay I won’t do it again

[tiny sigil]

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO AS LILIYA AND ROZALIYA AGAINST THE HERRSCHER OF VOID???

Nevermind
Switching Rozaliya to the front made the fight so much easier

[steel basin]

Is there a guide to how to spam dodge with Thelema ult timefreeze

[eager smelt]

jump evade
get good positioning
pray

[steel basin]

Like

I press both at once?

[eager smelt]

jump first then evade but almost no delay

u should be pressing evade before ur jump animation can even play

[steel basin]

Huh

[eager smelt]

what

u can do evade first but u just get less energy

and its a little slower

[steel basin]

I think I'm gonna have to do it on not mobile lol

[vernal bronze]

What’s the best non RS team for MA Kevin?

[eager smelt]

hi3 on mobile is a big loss

on pretty much every team

[vernal bronze]

Trio it is

[pale musk]

could I hit 750 with this? Nirv D547; 1496 and 1428 atk on HoH and Thel?

[eager smelt]

no

maybe if hohe was ss

but u would still need to dodge well

[pale musk]

I'm missing 10 frags and a lack of common sense in other words I can get 10 from BP but that's too dumbwell I guess I'm cooked then. Maybe I can try for myriad

[pale musk]

[elfin parrot]

Sorry to see. This particular weather is very uphill to fight against

[open bone]

It was embarrassing I failed to +200 A3 after getting booted last cycle

849 not enough

Now I gotta hope for a slacket next cycle or im gonna bounce out again from no qua battlesuits

[elfin parrot]

for RL? you might be able to handle qua without such valks. The upcoming qua cycle is a newer boss so it doesn't cost much time to collapse it manually.

not entirely to be related to (old ref, different boss), but it has the same idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_Eb7qUu94

[open bone]

I just remember my last qua boss suffering but admittedly I was coping with VBM supported paws then

[elfin parrot]

yeah that's prob too big of a loss

generally speaking, many players don't understand/handle qua match ups well and qua valks themselves aren't really strong

so knowing what to do and having a strong neutral team (basically not img dps) can often get away at RL or below

[narrow cedar]

its Astral Op weather more than anything

for hellmaru i mean

[eager smelt]

but thats just because every dmg matters since animations are long
if u have enough dmg u can get to dodging

[crystal barn]

What's the weather later?

[elfin parrot]

it's in the pins (scroll to the bottom). We are on week 6

[rigid cedar]

had no time anymore to test, something came up

[mortal jetty]

Mission failed ram ram

[rigid cedar]

I'm sorry

[mortal jetty]

[rigid cedar]

this cycle will be promo then for sure, i mean its quantum

fumo goober will have a field day

still wondering if I could've improved that hellmaru if I timed it right. maybe by a bit at least

[mortal jetty]

I am sure u could improve..

[mortal jetty]

We will wait for ur 900 then

[shrewd python]

omg i just ranked up to RL as weell but ive got no qua valks and no time to mald im so cooked

[elfin parrot]

do you understand how qua enemies work?

[shrewd python]

all i know is that they're purple and then they turn white

this is why im constantly on the hi3 discord asking for tips

[elfin parrot]

have you checked out the qua enemy tutorial yet via attack > events tab at top > tactics class > mechanics tab at top?

start with that first, or maybe revisit it to refresh your memory. What's important is you understand how the enemies are turning from purple to white

and well, it's better for you to see and hear from the game itself so you know what to look for

anything else, you can ask and i can explain further

---

if you don't have the time to mald, it's ok to just purposely slow down/stop what you're doing to ensure you can get the collapse. Making the enemy lose their purple is better than constantly doing actions while keeping them purple.

[elfin parrot]

@shrewd python you should be able to understand what is going on at 0:20 and 1:33 of the video here if you were able to understand the tutorial

if not, feel free to ask

[shrewd python]

the tutorial definitely helped - just two questions:

1. can you dodge anything and have it trigger quantum collapse? its pretty easy to tell with the purple blob guys because they disappear and then attack but with other mobs how do you know?

2. i did a fringe stage with FDD and her knockback just made the enemies like unable to enter the collapsed mode - do i need to be weary of that?

[elfin parrot]

only specific attacks can give you the ability to collapse. The attacks with the blue spark effect and the distinctive sound effect. Maybe revisit the tutorial or look at the video i point to see if you can spot them.

Once evading the move properly, you'll gain a super brief buff above your hp bar that looks like a blue hexagon. Landing a hit with that same valk after getting this buff will remove the buff, and inflict collapse.

Rather than looking at the enemy, look at below the enemy's hp bar for the purple diamonds. They become collapsed once it's all removed. Once collapsed they become very vulnerable to much more damage.

[shrewd python]

oh and also 3rd question ik that qua valks have like qua collapse or smthn in their kits but is there anything more to that that they benefit from

other than the like type matchup buff

[elfin parrot]

I don't think FDD's knockback should prevent a collapse from happening. Or maybe you mean you're hitstunning an enemy and so they cannot perform their own attacks? If so and if the mob is pretty tanky, then sure considering waiting it out.

Beware evading enemy attacks aren't the only ways to collapse. There can be

• specific quantum valkyrie attacks (this is a big reason why they are more encouraged)
• specific weapons (only collapse cannon for now and it's not meta relevant)
• stage/boss transition gimmicks/minigames

[shrewd python]

hitstunning is the word

[elfin parrot]

mainly just their ability to collapse on their own, and their type matchup damage bonus

specific valks may have other gimmicks. Sparkle can execute a qua enemy when it's on its last 10% of hp or below.

[shrewd python]

wait so collapsing an enemy is better than like just brute forcing it with attacks?

[elfin parrot]

yes

[shrewd python]

woah

[elfin parrot]

sparkle also reduces cooldown and restores sp with her ult but this isn't quantum related. It makes sparkle sounds important but overall sparkle isn't recommended to pull at this point, just so we're clear.

edit: to explain this more, some of these utilities only really shine in very specific situations (ult cooldown reduction for imaginary dps when killing core phases early). Otherwise sparkle is balanced to make use of these to her full extent to just keep up with the others.

[shrewd python]

👍

[elfin parrot]

i don't have any more updated info but from this old data sheet, non collapsed enemies have 50% damage reduction (look up tonatiuh) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nIAoY2k3tx-Ih-9OgMGXuRKC66Oy9VLO5Q3LDC696qs/edit?gid=0#gid=0

from the pins iirc

[shrewd python]

i don't have a single p2 qua valk (or SD valk but... i'll fix that) do you think its something i should look into now that im in RL or

[elfin parrot]

no

as far as what future valks you should get it's simply just pick up new releases early in the patch when you can afford the valk and weapon together

roughly 40k

!faq rates

[night parcel]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[shrewd python]

i have about 30k+ rn saved for next patch

[elfin parrot]

abyss coverage is largely in bias of the latest releases

if you're f2p you cannot afford every new release (skipping once in a while is normal) and therefore cannot afford to backpull anyway

with enough time your roster will naturally expand and you'll cover most situations, enough to retain RL or bounce back and forth into nirvana too. You'll lose some situations but win/be neutral on most of them. Older meta will fall off too and you'll catch up that way

[shrewd python]

thank you for the advice!

[elfin parrot]

this is what i said earlier about qua matchups in RL and below

although it's possible things have changed

we haven't had a new qua valk since sparkle though so maybe other newer stronger options can make it moreso the case

[elfin parrot]

quick edit here to elaborate some things more but nothing crucial to our earlier conversations

[dusky mantle]

Wow

Dark arts

[vernal bronze]

When was the last time we had a p1 rerun?

[elfin parrot]

idk. check arustats

prob some stellar key rerun/debut

[vernal bronze]

disregarding returnee banners, it was 7.9 with FoH
I meant p1 style banners
Not sure how useful it is to keep p1 gacha info

[elfin parrot]

yes i'm not talking about returnee

that wouldn't be part of the schedule since you can become a returnee at any time if you plan around it

[rigid cedar]

@mint plover here my 812 with this. I swear if I do this right I can skip the last ult for another +1

[digital sky]

Am i skill issued teri got 715....

[eager smelt]

yes

[digital sky]

Whats the best supports?

Aside from thelema

(And lantern. But i doubt shes BiS)

[eager smelt]

sparkle

[digital sky]

3/4 sparkle?

[eager smelt]

no

[digital sky]

Next?

[eager smelt]

thelema is no good without sparkle

just use my old ref

[digital sky]

[eager smelt]

yeah and im saying shes trash

[digital sky]

Thelema?

Or teri?

[eager smelt]

go to sleep ur tired

[digital sky]

..huh

So use teri?

[tribal tartan]

could anyone please use my code 209148691AA, i could also use yours back on my alt if youve done mine

[digital sky]

What team do i use??

[digital sky]

#invite-links-here

[eager smelt]

check my ref

[digital sky]

Wheres ur ref?

[digital sky]

Like seriously where

I cant just spawn one

[dark phoenix]

search his old link i guess

[pale musk]

So for this boss, I often use Teri/Vita/finality
is it worse if I use Ba-dum or Thelema in the 3rd slot? Why if so?

[flat rain]

How toast is this account

[eager smelt]

badum doesnt buff well if its not sparkle
thelema doesnt buff well

[pale musk]

K

[eager smelt]

not very good

[open bone]

Very rough. I see like 2-3 very niche use battlesuits and then everything else is outdated. Plus Hofi doesn’t have trio or her new gear. You could pull for ||horb dkey|| next patch I suppose so it’s not totally hopeless but it’ll take a while to unbrick

At least there’s paws

[digital sky]

Wait thelemas not a good ws support?

I mean i dont have her but still

[eager smelt]

no

[half hatch]

If she's used it's just for fast SO since you can trigger her Steller drain while barely loosing any points

It's the usual you lose DMG but gain speed trade

[digital sky]

Huh.

[eager smelt]

it means shes bad if u arent a whale

[digital sky]

Wdym by "old ref" tho

[eager smelt]

because i dont upload new refs

[digital sky]

Darn...

[digital sky]

Could u direct me towards ur ref for teri..?

[open bone]

@elfin parrot I ended up making the spreadsheet of my WIP stamina efficiency and open world records if you're still interested https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XKd2cUI8HY1gXcn0Iy6ONIo1t996cxnBqbygmmeCvYA/edit?usp=sharing
Haven't gotten anyone else to look at it so lmk if anything is unintuitive. Probably doing this horrifically suboptimally scripting wise but w/e.

[elfin parrot]

i assume the column to the right of each valk is for each specific attempt?

so do you actually send out an expedition and wait for it to come back before sending out the next one? or do you send them all out at once? if the latter how do you track whiich specific one gives the fragment?

also if you get the fragment early, do you stop for the day or do you always exhaust all attempts in the day?

because we were contemplating if the day resets anything other than the guaranteed fragment iirc

[open bone]

I do them one at a time

and don't stop for the day after getting one

that's why I'm confident pity carries over

you can see there's no 3 0s in a row

and I'd have to be really lucky by now if to not have one if pity didnt carry over

Generally I log in in the morning, send out like 4 expeditions (1 for each category), log in in the evening, send out another 4 (1 in each category I am testing), and some days a third time but I don't have stamina for that most days

[elfin parrot]

wait i'm getting a bit confused by that.

To my understanding you're guaranteed one per day as long as you exhaust all attempts. So of course you'll never have a triple zero because of this guarantee.

[open bone]

If I was guarenteed 1 a day I could have a day where I get 1 frag and then two nothings, and then two nothings again the next day before a third

and that would be 4 in a row

[elfin parrot]

oh ok i see

if you ever want to try something further

maybe you can attempt twice in a day and get nothing from it, forfeit the last attempt, then see if the first one the next day is guaranteed

granted you would need to do this multiple times to really strongly validate it and its at your account's expense

or someone else

just a passing thought

[open bone]

I could do it for like Yamabuki armor maybe, I'm not primarily farming that one rn so it wouldn't interfere with my data collection

I'm pretty confident it'll get that result but all the more reason to test it

since if I'm right there's no risk

and if I'm wrong it changes how I should be farming

[elfin parrot]

i'm curious how much the pity applies to 18 x 2 acts too

i think that's the extent of my thoughts for now on the first sheet. Thanks for putting all that together

[open bone]

As you can see for prayer 2 I sometimes get it before pity but it's very rare

ofc only 25 runs there

so far

but 18x2 seems noticably worse than 12x3

[elfin parrot]

yeah

[open bone]

it's hard to tell with the sample sizes but I think all the 12x3 ones are about 29 stamina per frag

in expectation, and have the same drop rate

but it'll become clearer as time goes on

[elfin parrot]

do you want me to comment on the second sheet too

[open bone]

sure

if there's something there I could make more helpful that would be useful

[elfin parrot]

i see you're specifically writing samsara at the top. Is that all you're testing?

main thing i would further consider is some lesser rewards may differ for tasks of the same rarities

[open bone]

it's what I've been testing the last two weeks

I havent been testing open world very long

[elfin parrot]

i'm not actually interested in the reward themselves but it'll be interesting to see if they differ in rates

[open bone]

when I have a good amount of samsara data I will move over to one of the other ones probably

[elfin parrot]

i think last time we spoke i brought up beta for greater attempts in being able to dump crystals at it

but i never signed up for a beta myself

[open bone]

yeah I didnt sign up either

maybe next beta I will be frustrated at lack of open world data

and give it a go

[elfin parrot]

or maybe you can ask someone else to collect data too

do you know the difference between global and regular tasks?

i know crystals can show up for either

but i don't know if that distinction differs either

[open bone]

I'll be checking that when I go to APHO ones

[elfin parrot]

and i think you can only have 2 global tasks and 3 location specific ones

i think it applies to any open world

[open bone]

but sakura samsara doesnt have that idt

[elfin parrot]

the special thing about apho is you're forced into global tasks first before picking others

[open bone]

because the global ones can't be turned down, and you can turn down all 5 sakura samsara ones

[elfin parrot]

hm it's been so long so i don't remember

i was going to say maybe the collection ones are global

i'm pretty sure schicksal has them at least

i guess samsara not having it would make sense when i think about it more

because the ease of use perk of it is being able to teleport to each one

[open bone]

When I move onto a map with global tasks I'll figure out how to deliniate it but for now I'll leave that to future QT

[elfin parrot]

well anyway if i think of anything else i'll let you know. Maybe let ram know too since they do their own data collecting.

Pretty sure i mentioned this before too but i do think it cannot be stressed enough. This sort of work definitely is tiresome and not very major in impact. I appreciate it greatly but don't let it overwhelm you.

[open bone]

which ram, sheepless?

[elfin parrot]

yes

[open bone]

@rigid cedar if you're interested in stamina open world crystal data

[elfin parrot]

also QT if you want to record anything else for open world, i think a few people have wondered about fragment rates

do they share a collective rate? how does the rate change upon exhausting them? but that's also quite unreasonable for one person

mainly bringing it up in case you data collect from others, and may want to be mindful of that

[open bone]

I considered doing that but it sounded like it was maybe 20% more helpful than knowing crystal rates and 10x the work so I decided against it

[elfin parrot]

i do consider it a very low priority since ultimately it'll just be exhausted with enough time and doesn't actually help with long term decision making

although i do think the specific valk fragments may differ from open world to open world (yae and SA may be more common in samsara?)

yeah it sounds incredibly messy overall. Again just bringing it up to be mindful of and not for actual work.

[open bone]

Not sure about Yae but I think it's probably true of SA

anecdotally I've noticed the same pattern even if I wouldn't bet the house on it

[rigid cedar]

i actually recorded all of my open world rolls since Sairaan talked to me about it

including all 15 rerolls

should be a fair bit of data that I can add

my intention was to just gather more data first and then add it all into a sheet including assumed probability graphs

although doing the sheet first probably would reduce the workload immensly

[open bone]

If you give me a google account I can give you edit permissions or you can make a sheet and I’ll copy over or some third thing that works for you

[rigid cedar]

i requested edit access for your current sheet

no need to accept, it's just so you have my account

if that's enough info

[open bone]

Alright gave you permissions to edit

[dusky mantle]

Ah shit

Qua piggy

No sparkle or sleepy teri

Give up on t1-t3 RL?

[open bone]

prolly

[rigid cedar]

no quantum, no trophies

[dusky mantle]

Fair enough

My favorite

Sleep!!!!!

[rigid cedar]

actually, wait

Valrahal actually doesn't need sparkle nor teri ult for collapse

you throw balls at him in both phases, phase 2 leaves him at 1 layer but he spins right into you

rotation-wise this is very copeable. it's just the weather and type advantage you're missing out on

[rigid cedar]

Sleep without even trying honestly denies you a reality check for how bruteforceable this boss is

refs aren't enough, because your account is different

[dusky mantle]

Sure. But consdering half my bracket has sparkle

Sleep!!

[rigid cedar]

so what? just play so you know for sure if it's possible and how much you're off

[dusky mantle]

Not too keen on super balding sorry

[rigid cedar]

i saw some vita dps cope vids from last cycles

[dusky mantle]

One run done

[rigid cedar]

your choice, however I'm willing to help if you change your mind

I might test some teams today either way

[open bone]

If you make a ref for PAWS dps (FDD/PS specifically, but I care more in general) I'd def watch it, I'm going to be malding this time to hopefully not drop out of rl

[rigid cedar]

I'll see that I can do that today

[lapis raven]

what u use

idk what to use

[vernal bronze]

where's the faq on pull costs

Found it, it's faq rates

[tired swallow]

so is this Kiana worth any pulls?
what teams is she designed for?

[spiral raven]

these teams

[tired swallow]

I'll count that as a "no"

thank you

[open bone]

She’s worth grabbing if you can get her for free in carnival

She’s BiS support for a number of teams rn and a decent substitute for a bunch more

But she’s not worth pulling at full price unless you’re a whale or you love her

You’ll put her as a support for any team that matches her tags if you don’t have a better option and that’s a fair number of teams rn

And will be for a good bit in the future, but you can expect the number of use cases to just continue going down and not up

[tired swallow]

thankies

[tired swallow]

what carnival?

like an anniversary event or smth

[spiral raven]

yes u get free pulls for char only

[tired swallow]

I see

thank you once more

my account is kinda a mess anyway so I doubt I can really do anything to ease my burden

thats where noteworthy units end

[open bone]

Eh you have sparkle vita songkek thelema, that’s not great but it’s not horrific

3 different possible dpses + vita cope even if they’re all a little dated

You can probably maintain A3 with malding or bounce it without malding

While you save for new units

Tho most new units will be a little painful since you don’t have proper supports; FDD would have been a better grab than ||HLE|| in some ways because she would at least have a proper team with Vita + Blastmetal and unlock vita dps

Either way your goal if you want meta results should be to save until you have a bit of a crystal stockpile and with your roster it’s a lot less painful than it could be, assuming everyone has gear

[tired swallow]

Part 2 units have their full gear and weapons

well S ranks that is

I didn't really build Coralie

[open bone]

Makes sense, you didn’t have hofi so you don’t need her for Vita teams

What does your crystal count look like

[tired swallow]

I mostly want to be able to play till A3 or lower
I don't aim to shatter the ceiling

[tired swallow]

horrific

I am not the most active player as of late

[open bone]

Uh yeah saving is the name of the game. Maybe you’ll get really lucky in carnival or the free 10pull but you can’t count on it

[tired swallow]

I got Vita in 10 free pulls

lol

[tired swallow]

is Vita really that oudated already...

it's been like a year since her release

💀

[open bone]

Vita is fine but she needs two RoO Valkyries

[tired swallow]

like most gachas
except the fact that HI3 doesn't exactly give lots of xtals unless it's End Game
and you need units to clear End Game
but units need Xtals
it's like an Ouroboros
at least in my case cuz back in 2023 or something I managed to waste majority of a newbie event

[open bone]

And you only have one because you didn’t get Waxing or FDD

[tired swallow]

yeah

I was trying to get free HoFi (and her Dkey) last year but

it didn't go well

[open bone]

I think with your battlesuits you could maintain or bounce A3 if you played actively but if you can’t regularly play it’ll be tough

[tired swallow]

yeah I can probably manage A3 at least

but it depends

sometimes the game demands me for like a Sirin team
and my Sirin doesn't have her stigs cuz they take too much time and resources to craft
all I have is her weapon and Ai chan (that has no build)
so I can't even clear the first room

[open bone]

Well you can usually brute force things

I do a lot of brute forcing with paws DPS

Generally a properly geared brute force who isn’t type countered is better than an old and ungeared proper battlesuit but admittedly its boss dependent

[tired swallow]

well I didn't manage to quite bruteforce sadly
and my Songque doesn't feel like she is dealing any damage at all recently

[tired swallow]

in rare cases I just cant

mostly I can

[open bone]

Yeah not much else for it except to save and get some newer battlesuits

I assume your characters have all their stigmas maxed and level 65 weapons at least?

[tired swallow]

well it depends
some are completed and even have affixes
some are just... on hold forever for whatever reason (mostly the ungodly amount of resources it takes)

[open bone]

Well yeah if fish isn’t maxed she’s gonna be missing a bunch of damage and have a hard time brute forcing things

[tired swallow]

this dumbass literally has 0 use cases on my account for majority of the time

[open bone]

Good news is there’s a ||stigma ticket|| next patch so you can afford to spend some prisms back upgrading Valkyries, especially since you probably aren’t pulling next patch

And maybe try and get some more Einstein toruses from dorm and asterite shoo

Since those at least are farmable

[tired swallow]

when it comes to matz I think it's fine

for the most part kinda

[open bone]

Oh then why not buy the mats to upgrade your fish weapon

[tired swallow]

not really but decent

cuz I barely got to farm 6 million gold back

💔

but maybe I can afford it

[open bone]

Spend some of your planeroids on the daily stages

You have 50 of them, that can get you a bunch of fluid alloys or xp

[tired swallow]

planeroids?

[open bone]

The ai-chans with maxed over them

You can use them to do a daily multiple times in a day

[tired swallow]

oh

well thats weird

[open bone]

Go to the first one that says no more attempts

And then add another attempt

[tired swallow]

ah yes

makes sense

[open bone]

I wouldn’t do the battlesuit xp one

But the fluid alloy one also gives a bunch of coins. Or the Stigma XP one

Either could be useful for you

[tired swallow]

it appears that I never bothered to complete all stages

does it affect the amount I get

[open bone]

Yes

[cunning gull]

def do them, they give a bit more rewards

[tired swallow]

okie

[cunning gull]

also there's crystals that u can get from the achievement

[open bone]

Higher stages give more rewards, if you’ve been liting the bottom one then you’ve been crippling your income for a while

[cunning gull]

well 5 or smth per one but 🥸

[open bone]

No wonder you’re low on alloy blocks

[tired swallow]

man

well I'll just use those Ai chan coins for these stages rq then

[rigid cedar]

do the last stage first, it will always LITE the highest reward stage with all objectives done

[tired swallow]

thank you
despite my best efforts to study the UI and how currency (or anything) works in this game
this shit is still too complex and has too much to look out for

[tired swallow]

sure thing

[rigid cedar]

i can't blame you, it is very confusing

[tired swallow]

I've been familiar with HI3 for like a year of semi-active playing and I am still struggling to comprehend everything that this game has

[open bone]

Glad we got this checked out now tho!

Should help out going forwards

[tired swallow]

yep, you've been a great help, I appreciate you

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/970408196487409734/1413195601318907914/2txmh4kirdmf1.gif?width=400&height=366

[cunning gull]

don't worry about it, as long as you start understanding the stuff ur doing rn

[rigid cedar]

if i wasn't as active and used to navigating such menus from other games, I'd probably be at the same level in my year 1

not a shame at all

[cunning gull]

even i took long to understand a lot of the stuff in this game and there's still stuff that i don't understand or is a wall of text

[rigid cedar]

im good with long texts, so that helps

[tired swallow]

sometimes I wish HoYo could do a proper revamp for HI3 cuz this is way too much for new players to get through
like I managed to do that cuz I adore the game's story and characters and vibe
but majority of newbies will just die from confusion on day 1 and quit (like my bestie did)

but I appreciate the QoL that has been added anyway

[open bone]

Yes I am only into Hi3 because of fanfic, getting me into the story, the game itself is a little rough

[cunning gull]

elaborate on that ps ego signet that u get to do her umbrella evade play style /j
its good to have u around

[rigid cedar]

They do take feedback, the impact of it depends on their priorities i suppose but options exist in form of the end of patch survey and #game-suggestions-box

[rigid cedar]

oh yea idk how they made the text this convoluted

summary isn't helpful either

[cunning gull]

although if ill be honest with you, i see other gacha games (or at least other hoyo games) slowly falling through that same route no matter how much hoyo will try to dumb it down

[tired swallow]

it feels that HI3 still receives majority of care among other HoYo games (ZZZ being second) so that's good to know
I just wish UI was easier to navigate and powercreep wasn't as rough

[cunning gull]

it never is 😔

[rigid cedar]

hard to change years of old spaghetti code, even as a multibillion dollar company

[tired swallow]

yeah I understand

simpler changes still can be made tho

[rigid cedar]

yeah, i wish they would focus more on those

especially the beginner experience is a nightmare

[cunning gull]

the more annoying thing is the beginning scam stuff

[rigid cedar]

due to many outdated and old things they never bothered cleaning up

[rigid cedar]

starter banner is the tip of the iceberg really

[tired swallow]

I've watched like several guides, especially the one that has been like 2 hours long or so
and I don't think I still comprehend the entirety of this game fully

lmao

[cunning gull]

oh what guide?

[tired swallow]

yes

[tired swallow]

on how this game works, which shop is for what, what are Dkeys
general guide for everything and anything

[rigid cedar]

i think Stea meant what video exactly

[tired swallow]

kinda outdated but it works still
https://youtu.be/wdTjihu6tHY

[cunning gull]

oh

[tired swallow]

been a while since I watched this one

[cunning gull]

i... dunno what to say

[formal wigeon]

Clueless

[cunning gull]

yes its informative, but its still outdated and too much info in ur head

ill admit tho i don't have an alternative video for you

the best thing i can offer are this server faqs

[tired swallow]

I mean that's as good as it gets cuz you'll need to update it yearly otherwise

💔

[rigid cedar]

many of these hold very great basic information, but many things remain a relic of the time they were made. i mean just looking at the timestamps and seeing things like "why HoS and HoTr are so good" can be very misleading nowadays when both are only very niche nowadays

[cunning gull]

i admit despite anyone's best effort videos are absolutely not the right format for this game when it comes to newbies guides

[tired swallow]

yeah

[cunning gull]

things change too fast

[rigid cedar]

its hard to send this to newbies without telling them in advance what is no longer right

[red plank]

hello ppl can i get a teri/thel/sparkle rot for this boss pls

[cunning gull]

fr u need to have someone standing there like a security guard just to update on all the outdated stuff

[red plank]

#video-creations dont have it yet

[tired swallow]

yeah, I agree, the best guide is the in-game one made by HoYo (they contain the most trustworthy and reliable information)

[cunning gull]

best guide if u wanna brick urself

[tired swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/nyx-starchasm-honkai-impact-seele-gif-21952597

honestly these in-game guides are another simpler change they need to add

cuz this is how I got tricked into building her 💔

[cunning gull]

at least this is better than some guides i saw... still won't link it, not personal but as i said vid formats for this game's newbie guide are not it

[tired swallow]

this Discord is basically mandatory

[open bone]

If you can’t clear abyss with HoV maybe you just don’t love her enough

[tired swallow]

not even Wiki comes close

[cunning gull]

admittedly, it might be best to remove it if they don't let the community to update it themselves

[rigid cedar]

there are exceptions to this, when only core mechanics are explained like in this video
https://youtu.be/lIGHWCZwaeE

[tired swallow]

TRUE

[rigid cedar]

those don't really change, they only get added onto at worst

[tired swallow]

just wait until they add more damage types ....

[cunning gull]

lyocore

[cunning gull]

fr, doesn't cover astra rings but at least there's a vid for that (not my keebs tho pls right the user here bc i forgor 😭)

ama i think

[half hatch]

yeah ama made one

[cunning gull]

[tired swallow]

to be honest on the bright side
cuz the game is so trash at teaching you it forced the community to get more united here

lol

[rigid cedar]

yeah, my point is that core mechanics rarely age

[tired swallow]

for the best

[rigid cedar]

so teaching those first is important

[tired swallow]

my brain ached hard when I was trying to comprehend how QUA works

[rigid cedar]

for quantum enemies there's actually an ingame tutorial for how they work

<@&421210366132092929>s

[dark phoenix]

it's easy tho, just think that they have a shield and you evade their special attack to break the shield

[tired swallow]

if only I had valks that can counter QUA

https://tenor.com/view/robin-robin-hsr-robin-star-rail-robin-honkai-star-rail-robin-disappointed-gif-6780156215518762303

[cunning gull]

VG
honestly its ok, u either bruteforce or take the l, its ok

[rigid cedar]

they will come and go, quite a bit of time passed since the last one came ()

[dark phoenix]

qua weather is good, just do nothing and relax

[rigid cedar]

7.9 was the last time

[open bone]

Don’t you have sparkler

You don’t even need to dps with her

You can just use her to collapse for your dps

[formal wigeon]

Qua valks are so scam for that

[rigid cedar]

people like to take it as a skip weather, but people genuinely suffered from skipping TFM although many are in denial