💁gameplay-help

[mortal jetty]

[last rapids]

garbage

[digital sky]

Whats wrong with sparkle?

[thick aspen]

could write a book about it

[lapis raven]

her looks

her free outfit

[digital sky]

Then write it

[thick aspen]

its already here

[digital sky]

Ignoring lore points tho
Cuz this isnt the lore channel

[thick aspen]

just use discord search

[digital sky]

I dont see it

[mortal jetty]

Fuckkkkk

@thick aspen

[thick aspen]

nice nice

[weak oracle]

the best setup for current boss is this, right?

[lapis raven]

no its hh sena thelema

and ss sera

[weak oracle]

ss sera is something on nirvana's level

[crude cloak]

Yeah, for RL DS is more than enough ofc, he just mentioned BiS

[mortal jetty]

@crude cloak

I hope the debat is close

Here your damage number without any weather and TC

[crude cloak]

What about PS HoHE btw? Just curious atp

[mortal jetty]

Okay let me try

[crude cloak]

Thx for testing

[digital sky]

Wait
Helia HoH Badum is stronger than badum ps?

[crude cloak]

In terms of raw damage yes apparently

[digital sky]

That is insane

HoH is- g-good?!

In GoI* as a helia support*

[mortal jetty]

Longer rot tho

[half hatch]

It's just that 50% of paws weathers want HC and ps fws is faster

[crude cloak]

Did you do HoHE's WA or PS's WA
PS's I assume?

[mortal jetty]

43s vs 46s

[digital sky]

:(

[crude cloak]

Although no, there is a bit of a delay even if you don't do HoHE's WA

[mortal jetty]

None of them otherwise the rot is like 50s with 59 millions

Too long to compare

I wanted similar time

[crude cloak]

Wait a sec, lemme check smth rq

[mortal jetty]

Okay

[lapis raven]

hh buffs run out quicker too so no hh is not good here

[mortal jetty]

Its not a problem if you know how to adjust your damage

This is what we are doing every cycle

[mint plover]

that is the basic of nirvana gaming

[lapis raven]

it is a problem if ure tryna retain sea nirv

[mint plover]

knowing how and when to reapply buffs

[mortal jetty]

,?? Where is the problem? You will just need to refresh buff and continue the rota since higher D

[crude cloak]

Nvm

[mortal jetty]

[formal wigeon]

wdym they run out faster, they're all 25s

[mortal jetty]

[full sky]

BRUH always have been

3rd best support, could replace PS or Kiana

[full sky]

Same length of buff 💀

What do you mean it's shorter

[digital sky]

Well its not my fault people keep calling ely dkey not that great

😔

[full sky]

It's not because WoD and LoA supports are trash that her GoI support is trash

[digital sky]

Well...HoH doesnt have hc like ps

[lapis raven]

?

[full sky]

Well sure it's not optimal but it's still working great really

[lapis raven]

ps and fws buffs can last two full rots, hh cant

[digital sky]

How long does everyones buffs last?

[lapis raven]

i really wonder why eu kids want to argue with me; just because u can kill without buffs dont mean its the same for other servers

[formal wigeon]

they are all 25s

[formal wigeon]

since we are kids and your D is definitely bigger than ours, can you draw an arrow that points to the shorter buff please

[mint plover]

you know that being in sea doesnt give you the right to disrespect other people and feel superior, right?

dont need to be mean to everyone

chill out

[narrow cedar]

gitgud scrub

water when are you starting your YouTube channel? best way to avoid arguing is to just post a video everyone can see your damage and can also see if you played dumb

[formal wigeon]

but that will not help his agenda

how can he make fun of people if people can make fun of him

[narrow cedar]

water so toxic

[lapis raven]

helia ult no buff -> 397056
fws ca > hh eva ca wa > helia ult + full pristine ticks -> 2817216
fws ca > hh eva ca wa > full pristine tick > helia ult (waiting OUT the buffs. hh buff is tied to pristine seed. helia ult is AFTER pristine seed. since fws buffs first, it shd be gone too meaning helia ult shd do 397k) -> 2799232

fws ca > hh eva ca wa > full pristine ticks -> 1306112

basic maths now
helia ult no buffs -> 397056
helia ult max buffs -> 2817216-1306112=1511104
helia ult "no" buffs -> 2799232-1306112=1493120

oh wow 1.4m > 300k!

not sufficient enough for u? sure cos it aint for me too. https://medal.tv/clips/kDuyEmEc5Uk4Gg8Oe heres my run on sea nirv on sampo. i hh ulted on 0:19, went afk, came back at 0:25. u can see buff icon above sampos head. 0:45 and its gone. as far as i can tell, 25+25 is 50. and thats irl time too; helia has a shitton of tf and whatnot; clock on top right hand did not even get to 25 yet and hh's buff is gone? and for what its worth i casted ult at 0;03 on top clock

[lapis raven]

yea that wasnt really nice i'll admit, mb

[lapis raven]

nah maybe next time

[formal wigeon]

then this is a bug and you can send it to support

or wait

do you actually think this is what gives you buffs

[lapis raven]

is that not pristine seed

[formal wigeon]

but the buff is not "while pristine seed is active"

[last rapids]

[formal wigeon]

it's "when Weapon Skill is cast, when any enemy is inflicted by Pristine Seed, or when in Stellar Outburst, gain buff for 25s"

[last rapids]

okay

[lapis raven]

ok and that still doesnt line up with damage since i waited more than a min

i was alt tabbed doing other shit

[last rapids]

also yes

its 25s for all, standard

you "sea adult"

[formal wigeon]

if the buffs expire when the pristine expires (which lasts 15s, base HoH kit) this is a bug

[crude cloak]

Okay, let's not reignite this

[last rapids]

this one is better, since you're pristine pilled

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/IoGLpKoT330?si=Z3KYTqdhbvdxfyyF I'm trying to copy this run but I'm having trouble. How do I make sure the back is facing the fireball?
https://youtu.be/AZD_JFY7Ung?si=yPuWprx8FCiNC3t2

[thick aspen]

~~https://www.youtube.com/@hoshiyomi1786~~

[last rapids]

shut up eu kid dont share the great sea channels

too good for us

only reason ely isnt used as often is just time

[thick aspen]

the great sea

[last rapids]

or hitcount

otherwise she would be superior if anything

the dmg is much nicer

[thick aspen]

ely is really nice for the trash stages yea

big demej

[mint plover]

euphie, i know you are right to be mad, but dont reignite the discusion pls

[eager smelt]

what are u talking about

[last rapids]

its called self defense

[crude cloak]

Yes, and that self-defence can trigger self-defence of the attacker too

If you wanna sort it out you should do it elsewhere

[last rapids]

i'll play on eu sea kr cn and andromeda server if it existed and still do better, so i just dont get this superiority of playing on higher D thing

[formal wigeon]

and imma be honest, I can't make heads or tails of the first half of your thing.
your second and third sequence sound like you do the exact same thing, but somehow one does less dmg.
why suddenly subtracting it ? like what are you subtracting.

[mint plover]

yeah, i know, thats why i said you are right to me bad, but pls, its not necesary, leting him rable while you look like the adult of the situation, will make him look worse than you mocking him

[last rapids]

its just banter, dont worry

[crude cloak]

Like in DMs, or on that one server maybe

[last rapids]

he knows

[crude cloak]

Fair enough if that's true

[last rapids]

we are far more rude in other places if anything

[mint plover]

[last rapids]

so its all good

[formal wigeon]

it's like people that gotta flex a big car

[thick aspen]

its just a good meme

[formal wigeon]

your vid even disproves your point, you start P2 without applying any pristine seed to Sampo and do just fine

[thick aspen]

im constantly saying stuff like "its free cause EU" etc

[last rapids]

same

[thick aspen]

because its true

[last rapids]

we're allowed cuz we're in eu

[lapis raven]

subtracting dmg from doing fws + hh buff seq to see helia ult dmg alone

[last rapids]

but you gotta back up what you say first

[lapis raven]

anyones an adult compared to u 140cm kid

[pale musk]

As you can see in the ref, I’m having trouble with this part

[last rapids]

i t1 NA in my only try there and found two secret techs for the run back then as an example

[formal wigeon]

so isn't it just proving that when you think there's "no buffs" the dmg is still the same ?

so meaning there's still all buffs

[eager smelt]

that just means move towards the fireball so it takes less time to travel

[lapis raven]

no, one of them was helia ult instantly whereas the other one i waited for buffs to be gone

[eager smelt]

u can see i do it in the video by evading left

[shell quail]

hi Euphie

[last rapids]

bro gave me -23cm debuff

as if i need more

[shell quail]

but you're already short

[last rapids]

hi ken

[shell quail]

actually nvm I'm short as well

dw I'm in the same boat as you

[formal wigeon]

and they both do the same dmg, 1.51M and 1.49M

so buffs are not gone

[pale musk]

You evaded down though

[shell quail]

you can evade downwards?

[pale musk]

Or south ig

[thick aspen]

i like to evade backwards in time

[shell quail]

ik the joystick is pointing down

but isn't that backwards

[eager smelt]

thats not the same point i timestamped

[shell quail]

[pale musk]

So when do you evade left? At the 49 second mark after the hold attack?

[eager smelt]

??

when did i hold atk

[pale musk]

*wep

Sorry

[shell quail]

is this part of Thele's normal rotation

[eager smelt]

yes u can see the evasion

[pale musk]

It didn’t register to me as one.

[last rapids]

btw who are we using next weather

what is this, helia so bad im seeing runs where she is just there to paralyze while sushang is the dps

[thick aspen]

at s0 yes sushang beat helia on cn

[last rapids]

while other runs use normal team

[thick aspen]

s2+ its helia game tho

[last rapids]

wtf

[thick aspen]

s0 helia is just that bad

[boreal eagle]

S2 sus dps lets go

[last rapids]

man

already powercreeped in her patch on her literal weather

[thick aspen]

maybe in EU D she can still hold out

[last rapids]

hell nah

doesnt look like it

we gotta do a billion combos for sp

vita team is literally avg law of ascension slideshow

[thick aspen]

[crude cloak]

No fucking way

ig it's a good thing for me? idk

[last rapids]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1crugzBEGa/

[thick aspen]

wdym

[last rapids]

s2 s2 ss vita at 548

[crude cloak]

Less AO diff with PS DPS compared to PAWS DPS in my case

[thick aspen]

oh

yea thats a trueing i guess

another reason for eupie to play sushi

[last rapids]

also its ss songque vs sss teri for me

well we'll see

i hope its not law of ascension

its gonna be 3 minutes weather

[shell quail]

title says everything

[crude cloak]

Actually, does PAWS apply Para with her Stellar Shift? I forgor

iirc no

[last rapids]

she does

on the ult finisher

[crude cloak]

Ah, ye

You're wrong actually

[thick aspen]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19wuLzzEZ5/ this a bit better

[crude cloak]

It's a 2 min weather then

[last rapids]

im literally not ?

[crude cloak]

I meant that you're wrong about it being a 3 min cycle

[last rapids]

i dont think i need a ref for this anyway

its very obvious

[crude cloak]

Unless you include the turning on PC time

[last rapids]

i just shared that one to show score

but s0 cooked in cn

its like very low

[formal wigeon]

the usual then, 3min top 1 then 15 hours for that +1 point you mald

[last rapids]

s2 at 740s

[narrow cedar]

that looks like aponia boss with simp and lv to me

:teriwoke:

[crude cloak]

@digital sky

[last rapids]

nah this one doesnt have mobs, doesnt have rng since you stay in slide show and boss is paralyzed

[narrow cedar]

i dont have damnation though

[last rapids]

its just gonna be 3 mins including the maldy +1

[digital sky]

Assaka paralyze?

[narrow cedar]

and i don't have bp balls to buy it either

[last rapids]

scammed thx hoyo

[thick aspen]

its a rest week

[narrow cedar]

i'd totally aponia this otherwise !

[thick aspen]

both abyss and all 3 ma bosses 5 minute plays

[last rapids]

yeah im gonna spend time playing other teams

[crude cloak]

MA is always a 5 min play

[last rapids]

hellmaru 859 took me an hour lol

[mortal jetty]

Is the 4s paralyze after the Gray circle trauma or the pink one?

[last rapids]

every 996 outburst run mf hit me with some stupid hitlag atk

so didnt get it fast

[thick aspen]

i had to go back because i remembered yesterday that i should actually use the burst key on ely

[last rapids]

they all were ticking to 58

[thick aspen]

did u have to delay for dmg

[digital sky]

U use aponia? :0*

[thick aspen]

cuz the cap for the run is 860

(or higher if u can skip ely wep but yea)

[last rapids]

i had to do more on mobs

[elfin parrot]

btw the next time you kids are so eager to start something i'm seriously going to call mods. I don't care how much i love you guys but this is in public and an official server. Keep yourselves clean.

[last rapids]

mfs dont die

[thick aspen]

they really dont

[last rapids]

i was consistently -1 on ao due to that

in 2nd outburst

like

[narrow cedar]

i've never used her before cause i don't have her weapon 🙁

[mint plover]

I also think the same ngl

[thick aspen]

it was still fine last time but D too high now

[narrow cedar]

still waiting for it to show up in exchange, should be anytime now

[digital sky]

U can inhale bad copium and use purana?

[mint plover]

This must not repeat, even more in a help channel

[last rapids]

i was doing a bit more ely in outburst, wep>dodge>charged>wep>wep> thelema moi and 3A for them to die

immortal mobs

[narrow cedar]

lol purana run is gonna be so cooked

[last rapids]

this is on a good run too

[thick aspen]

mr. frost catapult

[crude cloak]

That's the thrill of it

[crude cloak]

Though ig there's no thrill with Apo at all

Apo doesn't even have any techs I assume?

[digital sky]

Im confused.. what happend? Did a rule get broken?

[last rapids]

gotta love mobs with different hp pools and different spawn time

[crude cloak]

Just backread a bit

[digital sky]

U can end her combo early by ulting

[thick aspen]

dont they have the same hp

[elfin parrot]

no more comments about it please. We're moving on

[crude cloak]

🗣️ 🔥

[last rapids]

i will never believe they do lol

not once in entirety of hellmaru was the dmg equal there

[mint plover]

X2

[thick aspen]

just that some spawn later and dont get hit by elys piss poor aoe cause they hiding in the back

[last rapids]

even with nyx who literally shares dmg via link

[digital sky]

Im sorry sairaan 😔

[last rapids]

this boss was nyx at one point

[thick aspen]

too fossil for me

[last rapids]

and it still sucked

[crude cloak]

Was it always the Ice mf surviving back then tho

[last rapids]

yes

[crude cloak]

Then it's just Ice res

[last rapids]

same with sw and everyone else

[thick aspen]

what if thats real

[crude cloak]

Or are the damage numbers the same

[thick aspen]

flame catapult has fire res, thunder catapult lightning res, ice catapult ice res

[last rapids]

i dont play with numbers so idk

[thick aspen]

it would make sense

[last rapids]

hopefully this is the last ely weather

[crude cloak]

Last HoHE weather*

[last rapids]

i didnt say it that way for a reason

[crude cloak]

Oh my

The hate runs deep it looks like

[narrow cedar]

last ely weather lol

[last rapids]

no, i love ely

[thick aspen]

but sometimes its also diff catapult for me that doesnt die so idk its jut rng

most often its mr. frost tho

[last rapids]

i just meant to not imply anything with hh

[formal wigeon]

"you kids" damn it was contagious

[narrow cedar]

cyrene is coming to take over our game across dimensions

[last rapids]

mr i hate playing this team

she literally has 1 boss at this point

the others dont run

[thick aspen]

thx for nice dkey mr. hoyo

[formal wigeon]

oh ye Hellmaru has never not been horrible to play

[last rapids]

hellmaru 3 patches back to back, same team same rot same scores

i love schedule maker

[crude cloak]

It's more horrible rn than it was in the past I assume

With the evade malding and targeting issues

[narrow cedar]

i think they should run heph even though the new wod mechanics make it weird, it can't be that bad

[last rapids]

hellmaru was only fun with tripple support

[formal wigeon]

You never tried SW on that thing

[last rapids]

that was my favorite team and we only managed to play it once

[narrow cedar]

also they need to run wardens :3

[elfin parrot]

lmao sw targetting

[narrow cedar]

what else did ely do

[crude cloak]

Oh damn, forgot about that being an option
Yeah, that's cooked

[narrow cedar]

ranged kalpas, that too

lets do that with wod ely lmao

[last rapids]

hepha also doesnt run

[thick aspen]

[last rapids]

benares ice as well

actually i tried p1 ely team with p2 gears today, dmg is way higher than p1 gear

she can almost 1 rot the mobs

[narrow cedar]

the true answer is to apply to beta then you have 80+ abyss to play with any team you want, true freedom is there

[shell quail]

SW, HoH pre dkey, and HoR for the copers

wdym horrible rn

[last rapids]

what freedom its literally agony temp

i would be playing more beta otherwise

[narrow cedar]

that's how i got to do FGO with RS and dkey HFI, and more!

[crude cloak]

Get to Nirv, will at least be between RL and Nirv

[last rapids]

every fucking patch you ask them to increase temps but talking to nothingness

[crude cloak]

I feel like it's intentional atp

[shell quail]

they'll reset to Agony

[last rapids]

it definitely is

[shell quail]

no matter what

[crude cloak]

So that peeps don't cook up strats or smth

[shell quail]

it's intentional

no

[crude cloak]

Make refs*

[shell quail]

they purposely want beta to be less mald, but it ain't helping

[formal wigeon]

it's not intentional they're just clueless

[last rapids]

more people will complain than be happy about the D increase in global

do you see the people playing.. not to look down on anyone but they're cooked

[crude cloak]

Just let peeps choose the rank in that case ffs

[thick aspen]

real reason is because glblul beta is for advertising so they want videos where the new valk is destroying bosses

[rigid cedar]

atp i think the less mald is just an afterthought for why they didnt update D

[crude cloak]

But that would require effort

[shell quail]

is it, is CN beta also like this

[crude cloak]

What's CN beta Nirv dist?

[last rapids]

i've been asking for it since 2023, every single patch btw

[rigid cedar]

ive heard a few times that D is updated dynamically in CN beta

[crude cloak]

520 was RL iirc

[last rapids]

560 or so

[crude cloak]

Holy shit

I don't think even KR goes that high

[shell quail]

well, SEA RL and CN RL is similar temp, can't they put RL temp then ;v

[last rapids]

i would rather play 600D than score 950 on all weathers

[thick aspen]

sir..

[shell quail]

well...

[last rapids]

kr 564 or so iirc

[shell quail]

KR is already ahead

of CN

long ago

[last rapids]

since 4 years

[crude cloak]

ik they're ahead, but didn't expect it to be by that much

[rigid cedar]

i feel like some in RL would play better if they'd do that. more time to prepare

[crude cloak]

My apologies to all KR players

[last rapids]

it has nothing to do with players

most of KR suck, you should watch some weathers and see

[shell quail]

I rarely see KR Nirv

most are in RL

[thick aspen]

its simple CN beta is for balance testing, glblul beta is for advertising

[last rapids]

their temp so high they dont bother

[shell quail]

yea

I literally never saw woongdal once in Nirv

[rigid cedar]

and yet most CCs play on CN anyway

[crude cloak]

The bell curve is real

[formal wigeon]

more like glb beta is worth so little they don't even spare a thought for it to see that

[last rapids]

for sure

[formal wigeon]

they just don't care

[thick aspen]

well they realized now after 5 years that no one cares about glb beta when you can see vids about the new valk already a month before (or more) from cn

[last rapids]

so many patches we get it last 5-7 days of patch

cuz mhy on vacation

[thick aspen]

so you gotta get them CCs there

[last rapids]

and they demand guides too

[formal wigeon]

the intern suddenly wakes up and looks at the date

"shit forgot the beta"

[rigid cedar]

wait so did they lift something for cn beta that allows glb publishing or did they just accept more CCs on purpose

[last rapids]

[thick aspen]

it used to be a bit difficult to get cn beta now basically any cc gets it

[rigid cedar]

alright

[thick aspen]

i think it changed shortly after p2 launch

[rigid cedar]

whatever, ill just use glueball beta for checking translation errors

i couldn't care less for writing guides everyone makes anyway

[crude cloak]

But xtals

[thick aspen]

the guides are just for farming xtal

[rigid cedar]

i legit never submitted a guide once

[thick aspen]

you get 3k per guide up to 5 guides thats pretty substantial for f2p andies

[crude cloak]

Ayo wtf

[formal wigeon]

but what for, they don't fix em

[rigid cedar]

yea it is i know, but my energy is more limited than most

[formal wigeon]

*if they like you

[thick aspen]

well that ofc

[crude cloak]

Now that makes sense

[formal wigeon]

not if they like the guide, if they like you personally

[shell quail]

[thick aspen]

same thing with everything

[rigid cedar]

they did actually, did some reports for the anni autochess event

[crude cloak]

Do I need to get a Chinese wife in Hoyo or smth

[formal wigeon]

just be friends with one of the guy that checks guides

[rigid cedar]

so less reason to even try

[formal wigeon]

best I got was 150

very worth it

[rigid cedar]

..

[last rapids]

[crude cloak]

Gotta link the guide now for us to assess 🗿

[shell quail]

[last rapids]

very clean company on the backend of dealings true and real

[formal wigeon]

it's in baguette

[crude cloak]

MTL should work

[shell quail]

bruh

[rigid cedar]

yeah id rather spend my energy elsewhere, probably not a bad idea regardless of my issues

[thick aspen]

you could fill the library of alexandria with cc drama

[crude cloak]

I also had French in elementary school, surely that'll suffice

[last rapids]

shhh

[shell quail]

I know you mean it's in French, I read this and thought your whole video is about the bread

I'm tired I guess

[last rapids]

we cant talk here they dont like it

[formal wigeon]

was for the ER signet update a while ago, mostly translating stuff and suggesting valks to use

[last rapids]

[crude cloak]

Oh, not a valk guide?

[formal wigeon]

did it as an experiment, a friend did a simple translation of the gear for Pardo shortly before but he knew someone on the beta stuff (only translation, nothing else)

he got 2k+, I got 150

[crude cloak]

💀

[shell quail]

gee I wonder who reviewed it

[last rapids]

[shell quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/430057371641970708/944998740375269427/646228424003944454-1.gif

[formal wigeon]

admittedly, this all was 3 years ago

but I doubt much changed since

[thick aspen]

there nothing new dont worry

[last rapids]

man i had so many crash outs about this stuff because i know more than most

its very bad

[rigid cedar]

im open to listen

[last rapids]

[shell quail]

you did it during the phase where we lack guide reviewers too

yea I remember now

[formal wigeon]

(I even still have a gdoc with every guide sent and every crystal reward they attributed to them in a beta cycle somewhere )

[last rapids]

nah here isnt a nice place, i have my own vents

[crude cloak]

Oh, multiple guides? Gotta link them all now

[shell quail]

I'm willing to hear this

[last rapids]

you already did

gurdil too

[shell quail]

oh those?

ok

[rigid cedar]

i also meant elsewhere if there is another less public place

[crude cloak]

Based on this answer it doesn't look like it's maincord-compliant

[last rapids]

nah im pasifict now, mostly gave up

[crude cloak]

I could go on that one server, but idk about Ram

[shell quail]

pasifict

[thick aspen]

what do you think sir is it a good idea to bring out dirty laundry of a company on their official server

[last rapids]

bro is not the brightest

[crude cloak]

The green role is justified, ik

[rigid cedar]

i can take it

[formal wigeon]

edit

found the doc again, on that one I got 300 for a random MA vid

[shell quail]

Lyo actually did

she's a different breed I guess

[thick aspen]

another feather to the legend of lyolao

[shell quail]

don't bonk me pls Lyo

I'm just spreading truths

[last rapids]

there's a reason we got shenanigans channel

[shell quail]

no no

she did it in maincord

[last rapids]

yeah i meant to preserve history

[rigid cedar]

i guess MA is something different

[last rapids]

aside from the other uses

[shell quail]

you can get 150 for infographics

even if it's shitty

so long it works

tho I guess it depends on how strict the reviewer is

[crude cloak]

No en-uk, Lyo's crying now

[thick aspen]

its en-gb you brute

[crude cloak]

Is it? I think I've seen both

[half hatch]

3k maybe I should actually start doing guides

Sounds juicy

Though I don't really have the time for that

[crude cloak]

Well, looks like these are ISO codes

And it's en-gb there

Me brute confirmed

[thick aspen]

even if you grab the full 15k per patch its still far more time efficient to just whale if you have a job of any kind

[crude cloak]

That's a big if

Gotta censor that too smh

[half hatch]

Yeah prob especially when it's a bit random from what I could gather here

[elfin parrot]

Sorry I don't think this is something that officially is permitted. I'm going to have to remove it.

[formal wigeon]

[dusty dagger]

(it's not)

(how did you even get that)

(don't answer I don't really wanna know)

[thick aspen]

found it between a comic book in a toilet

[formal wigeon]

(remind whoever is capable of doing it if they still exist that they should delete their stuff eventually while at it )

[mint plover]

Csy is too tired of people playing death games today

[formal wigeon]

(and I've had it since that time, they shared it publicly to everyone concerned)

[mint plover]

[dusty dagger]

Wow LOL

[formal wigeon]

so I'm most likely not the only one with it, just gotta dig far down in the shared files on google drive

I have no idea why they did that for that one but ye, they just went "hello y'all, here you go guide results"

[mint plover]

[formal wigeon]

but iirc that entire beta had massive issues all along

[shell quail]

Gurdil, send me in the other place

[formal wigeon]

missing gear, missing valks, abyss was like 90D, the feedback was done on a jankily made google forms

[elfin parrot]

please don't openly advocate sharing that publicly lol

[crude cloak]

90D is crazy tho

[formal wigeon]

I think I still have a vid

gimme a min

[crude cloak]

That's like UM F2 or smth probably

Maybe a lil bit higher

[formal wigeon]

https://youtu.be/7nKYg0UaQrM

[crude cloak]

Tbh I expected the supps to oneshot him

Still crazy ofc

ig modern supps would

[formal wigeon]

oh definitely

I was also stuck with some jank

iirc HOS had Shui T cause no glut, no M cause nothing to put there

at least I had 2 newts I guess

the accounts were horrible

[crude cloak]

0 sec Abyss fr

[formal wigeon]

we didn't even have SI's gear

idr if we had the valk even

[crude cloak]

Just RS ult is enough probably

[crude cloak]

Oh dayum

[formal wigeon]

after a day or 2 they gave some of the missing stuff and a shit ton of coins and opened a shop ingame with every single gear piece ever for 1k coin each

[crude cloak]

Would Hoyo's jank code make the boss stage not replayable in that case

[formal wigeon]

and also fixed abyss

so we could play normally after

[half hatch]

Tbh I could imagine that happening

[crude cloak]

Well, at least they reacted quickly

[formal wigeon]

mayhaps, but 0sec can't happen since the timer starts before it spawns

and iirc for FGO specifically that was also a bug that made him skip P2 completely and now it forces you into it

[formal wigeon]

oh nvm the janky feedback thing was the previous one

[pale musk]

How do I dodge better here?

also here

[eager smelt]

if u spam ur gonna end on evade

[pale musk]

what do you do if not spam?

Or am I supposed to end on evade?

[eager smelt]

press fast but controlled

[pale musk]

like this?

[eager smelt]

yes just do that but better and ur gonna match what im doing

[edgy hamlet]

I was not able to get 780 like I said I was gonna try to

[pale musk]

It's not working anymore

[rigid cedar]

fireball too high

higher than last clip at least

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/-IFnOYq_4p4?si=LK51f8ZFTyT2yTwD I'm still a little stuck but I'm around 733

[leaden ore]

With Thelema, how do I avoid casting CA when at full stacks? I tried toggling off one of the passives but then I can't use CA at all

[formal wigeon]

toggle it off

and you can CA by using dodge/jump + atk (it's written on it)

[leaden ore]

Oh, thanks.

[pale musk]

Can I have some advice on how to AR farm here?

[open bone]

https://youtu.be/7BDFFc9n2xI?si=dC_el1uPfIqiFlZz so this cycle is hard cooked for me anyway - I don’t think there’s any shot I can fix the run to the tune of 170 more points I’d need to +0 my bracket

But I’d be interested if there’s any obvious mistakes that I could fix for future runs

At least for the next two weeks I’m stuck with these battlesuits

[eager smelt]

do jump evade jump ult

[half hatch]

The coralie Ult at the beginning didn't apply any debuff

It actually needs to hit to apply to debuff

Then you can also skip what you're doing with coralie after that and trigger stellar drain later

[open bone]

Ic

[eager smelt]

coralie evade wa ult wa then go to ps

[open bone]

I believe you that thats better but why does that work better here?

[pale musk]

Ok I think I got it, but why did I have to use more wep skills than you after SO was over?

[half hatch]

The rot from awa ? The WAs are just there to trigger coralie's weapon passive they don't need to hit anything

It just gives you more dmg

[eager smelt]

bad positioning + targeting

and also disturbance + atk diff but u shouldnt have been that far off

[pale musk]

What is good posistioning in this context?

[eager smelt]

be in a spot where u dont have one mob soaking up the dmg

[timid echo]

Does anyone knows where I can raise this terminal? I thought it was on the base but it doesn't let me upgrade. I'm on chapter 33, at the moon

[eager smelt]

are u sure its not the base

[timid echo]

It doesn't let me upgrade

[pale musk]

what does that look like? Like this where Ely is aiming towards the middle one?

[eager smelt]

did u lvl it to max before upgrade

[pale musk]

I assumed you were talking about this but did you mean the little digits above the mob's heads?

[cunning gull]

did you check the other stuff in the base as well?

[pale musk]

I don't have the movement to jump evade jump before ult, what am I doing wrong?

[eager smelt]

hold forward so the evade doesnt take u out of the fireball

[final flax]

@mighty glade

[charred trail]

given the longer patch times would pulling for chibi dudu make any sense? have all the other p2 valks at S 4/4

[full trench]

no

save your xtals for a double release if you can already get everything new

[pale musk]

4 hours : (

[full trench]

https://tenor.com/view/atna-rough-thats-rough-buddy-fire-flames-gif-17361664

[eager smelt]

mald takes many more than 4 hours

[formal wigeon]

isn't 10th supposed to be 0 ?

[dusty dagger]

Probably a 19 player lobby

[formal wigeon]

it cuts like that ?

[dusty dagger]

Apparently so

[formal wigeon]

damn

[dusty dagger]

Honestly imo it should be the other way around

[eager smelt]

meanwhile...

[dusty dagger]

NA moment

[dusty dagger]

[pale musk]

[eager smelt]

my peak malding days i dropped every other game just so i could have more time to do abyss

every cycle i spent constant grind until cap

[full trench]

i wish i spent less time malding 788 was retain in my bracket lol

only was like 3 hours i think so not that bad

[eager smelt]

should have went for t5

[full trench]

824 is too much

i could barely get 812

[edgy hamlet]

I need to not gain trophies in RL somehow so I can be in nirv just in time for new patch

Challenge impossible

[half hatch]

Just DMG Control with side stage

[edgy hamlet]

True actually. It's just hard to gauge what's a passable score vs promotion in RL

[half hatch]

Tbh I don't do side stage until like 4 hours before abyss ends

[formal wigeon]

wait for the end and clear side up to the desired amount

or just promote then skip side then promote then skip side

[half hatch]

Then your bracket is pretty much set and you can adjust your side stage score

[edgy hamlet]

Yea I'm not home sometimes when abyss closes so I have predict like 16hrs before

[formal wigeon]

less annoying, just line up the last one

[half hatch]

Yeah then try what gurdil suggested and get a Intentional -100

[edgy hamlet]

Yea that may be the better strat

[formal wigeon]

as long as you're confident you're not gonna -100 when you don't want to this works fine

just be careful on the last cycle before you wanna promote to not end up 2 below

[edgy hamlet]

Well on the tank boss I dont think I can promote because no lantern

[formal wigeon]

so might have to score control the last one

[edgy hamlet]

Wdym by 2 below?

[formal wigeon]

hm and right next to the end too

[half hatch]

If you're lucky you can

[formal wigeon]

2 promotes

[edgy hamlet]

Oh ok

[half hatch]

Got +100 last time with FWS/LP/hohe

[edgy hamlet]

Wtf

[half hatch]

EU rl giga slac got +100 with paws DPS here

Idk about na but I doubt it's a lot different

It's bracket luck in the end

[edgy hamlet]

Actually I'm at 1900 rn so any promote will put me in Nirv which I wanna avoid

And being in Nirv on the tank boss especially is instant demotion

[half hatch]

Ig you can take -100 on the next boss +100 on wolf +100/0 on tank and then either +100 or nirv retain on Sa

[open bone]

Yeah my bracket was 812 maintain and 850 promote

For RL

[half hatch]

Damn

Paws DPS still got pretty close to 850

For me at least

I was at 838

[open bone]

Ah gz

[half hatch]

And with more attack I could easily 840+

[open bone]

I’m stuck with paws ps vbm so way lower but in my bracket I couldn’t have done shit anyway

Tbh glad I got the tryhard bracket when I was already cooked

Can’t get cooked worse than that

[half hatch]

Tbf I had SS1 HoHe and songque aop

• my atk isn't that bad so it's an unfair comparison

[cunning gull]

oh nirvana needs lamp for tank?

[half hatch]

Yes nirv is BiS dps or demote most of the time

[edgy hamlet]

I meant to type +100

[cunning gull]

oh alr i won't promote then so i can use badum n hohe

[edgy hamlet]

lemme just deleet that because I messed up

you right imma follow your strat

[half hatch]

Especially NA where low t100 demote isn't uncommon

[open bone]

Looks like next bracket I’ll be fine in RL and then three suffering brackets. Why does FWS get so much more shill than PS this patch 😦

[cunning gull]

ill probably try promoting with sa boss if i have the extra time to play in nirv then

[half hatch]

They probably see paws HC weathers as PS shill but I have to agree that her DPS cycles are less than other valks weathers after their release patch

Though paws DPS team is pretty set this patch compared to fws for example who rotated her supports more often depending on the weather. Which then results in PS being used in every paws cycle

[formal wigeon]

eh not necessarily

there's often at least one other option that can get you a retain

[open bone]

Fair

I have been suffering with PAWS dps because she really needs two symbiosis units but

Such is life

[half hatch]

Yeah GoI has been the most dependent ring type on 2 actual base S rank supports

LoA worked with 1 since you had switch CD reset, WoD wasn't that bad with coralie and WS always had 2 free supports

[formal wigeon]

LoA without second one was still a massive pain tho

[half hatch]

Yeah but at least you could get the full value out of the DPS' SO

But it wasn't really great either yeah

[crude cloak]

Yes, but that requires extra investment somewhere else, no?

Like AO ranks at the very least

Unless it's a P1 cycle that isn't too restrictive

[mortal jetty]

Even in p2 you can still retain or + 100 ( sometime even top 100) a weather if you are missing one of the two support for a bis team

[crude cloak]

Missing a support is fair, we meant missing the DPS

[mortal jetty]

Oh this is something else then

You can still retain on some weather if you miss the main dps

Sparkle is fine on teri weather

[half hatch]

That's why I said most of the time

[mortal jetty]

Badum is fine on sena weather

[crude cloak]

Ofc there are exceptions, but I don't think Tank is one of them unless you have SS Teri or smth

[half hatch]

~~ even better than her on lightning gaymax kek~~

[crude cloak]

Ofc it's also up to bracket RNG

[mortal jetty]

You can retain fire tank with badum dps

[lament prairie]

Yeah need to make sure asaphie and euphie are not in your bracket

[mortal jetty]

730 last time

[half hatch]

Time to cook with my SS Teri then I'll make fws copers proud 🫡

[mortal jetty]

Wait i am not that scared tho lyolao

[crude cloak]

Asaphie's ez clap wdym

[half hatch]

[lament prairie]

U are scary

[mortal jetty]

Ain't no way

[crude cloak]

Maybe S

[crude cloak]

What AO was that?

[mortal jetty]

Teri ofc. Loa team

[half hatch]

When I see ASAPHIELY OSENCHO in my bracket and I know it's over

[mortal jetty]

Bruh wdym we did same score on clock

[half hatch]

Cuz I got possessed

[crude cloak]

Yeah, makes sense then

[half hatch]

I have no fucking idea how I got there

[crude cloak]

Teri too good

[half hatch]

I know the idea I had for the run the execution

[crude cloak]

But does that matter tho

[full trench]

oh mango i just realized this but

[half hatch]

No fucking clue

[lament prairie]

HAHAHA

[full trench]

sushi dps is worse than paws without teri right

[half hatch]

Ugh prob

[crude cloak]

Should be, ye

[half hatch]

Teri good

[mortal jetty]

The run was really baldy..I don't recommend someone to do it... atleast if you want to go for 730

[mortal jetty]

Definitely

[full trench]

teri skip best account decision ever +3 hohe dkey was so much better

[half hatch]

I don't have anything to lose ~~ and no thele/lamp ~~

[lament prairie]

I wanna use helia but idk if its worth it with no badum

[mortal jetty]

If no teri just use paws dps

[crude cloak]

It looks like it might not be worth it at all from what I've heard

At S0 I mean

[full trench]

too bad i suck ass at paws

[crude cloak]

We'll see for sure ofc

[lament prairie]

[mortal jetty]

Normally hoh +sus should be fine if you manage good paralyze timing

[lament prairie]

I am so good at cooking para, I will try

[crude cloak]

Even with Badum I mean

[lament prairie]

Kek

[half hatch]

When next cycle where I can use badum link

Canceling WA with Ult was lowk fun

Idk why kek

[full trench]

hellmaru every week when

[crude cloak]

💀

[full trench]

[crude cloak]

I'd uninstall tbh

[half hatch]

I don't need to bald mobs with paws ez clap

[mortal jetty]

Was it your first time?

[half hatch]

Never needed link

I cancel WA with Ult on fws DPS but here it felt different idk why

Was more fun to cancel her WA when she's in the air

I'm a bit disappointed I didn't get 840 tbh

Was pretty close in a few runs

[mortal jetty]

Mango revenge on assaka

750 with paws or you no super man anymore

🧱

[half hatch]

Playing good off weather feels better though

It's not the same

[mortal jetty]

We believe in you

[half hatch]

I wanna try other cope team here

Maybe HoO

[crude cloak]

Back in my days I had to use Brick with FR 👴

(on JK tbf)

[half hatch]

🧱

[crude cloak]

It truly was

[half hatch]

I can only imagine

[mortal jetty]

Good luck

[half hatch]

I'll be fine after VBs DPS on meele hoc

That was something

[crude cloak]

Wtf

[mortal jetty]

Wtf

[crude cloak]

Did it even kill

[half hatch]

No and my vita did more demej kek

[crude cloak]

Who would've thought

[half hatch]

Tbh reso DMG wasn't event that bad

Only Ari charging was brutal

I should do Eden DPS schI VBs support

The ultimate cope

[crude cloak]

Wait for Flower at least lah

Or Bull

[half hatch]

But flower I wanna play HoO

Tbh the run is braindead now

[crude cloak]

Though I think we ain't getting one after the gear shenanigans

[half hatch]

That's why I just play HoO with gear shenanigans on 🌻

Hoyo taking away all my fun

[half hatch]

You only have like 1 moment where you need to hit a 25% chance but it's fine

After that run is pretty braindead

Theoretically you can also bald Eva CD in transition

But not really needed for good score

[rancid kraken]

I wanna get back into the game but it’s just so confusing to me like there’s so many different stories there’s so much content and I just don’t even know what to do like why are we on the moon and who are these new characters with the yo-yo and the hammer like what happened😭

[scarlet pebble]

mars happend

[spiral raven]

we got newer chars now

yoyo and hammer r old

[rancid kraken]

One thing I wanna do is get all the hershers is that still possible?

[scarlet pebble]

yes

some of them is "free"

[thick aspen]

most of them

[spiral raven]

i need ur power, how to not jump sec on combo on hohe

[thick aspen]

play fast

[spiral raven]

[thick aspen]

use all the tech

[spiral raven]

how did u time when to thel ult, i either too early or prob too late

[thick aspen]

i just do aerial hold weapon after evading the heph slamdown

[spiral raven]

o

[thick aspen]

times it perfectly to apply freeze when he becomes vulnerable

then ult and another W

(or two for non SS)

[spiral raven]

i will try that

[rancid kraken]

Can I still get the Hersher of human ego?

[thick aspen]

p1 when you swap to ult with thel remember to press jump to ult faster

and both times you qte ellie press her basic first before weapon to weapon faster

[spiral raven]

gotcha

[mortal jetty]

Why didn't you tell me about it before

[crude cloak]

Level Rush and Reserve BP

[mortal jetty]

Paul fakelao

What a rat

[crude cloak]

Level Rush is a paid bundle for new players, and it'll take you 5 patches to save up for HoHE from Reserve (you can speed this up a lot by buying BPs)

[thick aspen]

i already mention this when we play ellie as support on SSS kevin

when was that ultra tight run

[mortal jetty]

Bruh i was not there....

[thick aspen]

well now you are here

[mortal jetty]

[willow wedge]

Can I play P2 valks with P1 valks? I don't have a P2 team for the valk coming next patch, are there any P1 valks I can partner her with?

[elfin parrot]

#👶beginner-help message

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

before we focus on p1 valks can you tell us if you have any gacha p2 valks at all? I'm mainly looking for Rite of Oblivion ring types (vita, hofi) or helia

at worst you can still slot in VBm (farmable coralie)

[willow wedge]

None, only A rank Coralie and battlestorm 🥹

[elfin parrot]

boltstorm. Battlestorm is a himeko battlesuit

[willow wedge]

Yes, thank you boltstorm

[elfin parrot]

you might still consider boltstorm anyway since she has a generic elemental damage boost that matches the duration of part 2 teams from her weapon active aim mode iirc. Boltstorm being astral ring (part 2) will allow her to restore some ARI (outburst energy) too. However because the ring types and tags don't match, the amount she can restore is much less (10 from stellar drain instead of 20 iirc) and some further effects may not apply.

Otherwise instead of boltstorm you may consider

• pardofelis. cheap and universal debuffer
• chrono navi. dedicated fire support from p1 with fire specific effects rather than universal total damage (this matters in the formula since stacking too much of one thing will yield diminishing returns). However having her at low ranks may not be sufficient comparatively to other options and her sp generation may be lacking in these teams?
• shigure kira. Normally a dedicated ice support but she does have a slight universal effect. You can shut off her envoy of paradise skill so that you're never forced to take control of her and can constantly passively QTE her in, which may be more friendly for longer rots of p2 teams
• terminal aide - similar to kira. Dedicated phys support in p1 but provides the team a shield that can debuff enemies universally as long as it stays up

seems like @crude cloak provided an abridged version of this already in the other channel lol

[crude cloak]

I don't think VBs will be good here tbh

Hella long rot and a lot of buffs are Lightning-oriented

[elfin parrot]

yeah i don't either. I already pointed out the issues

i'm just not sure how flexible the next valk rot will be like and if it can be compressed to suit p1 teams

[crude cloak]

Aren't her generic ele buffs mostly from her stigs though btw?

Or did I forget smth

[crude cloak]

3pc in particular iirc

[elfin parrot]

i wouldn't want people crafting that to begin with tbh

[crude cloak]

Yeah, exactly

[elfin parrot]

the only thing i know from her singular stigs are her B lightning debuff

the generic elemental buff i was speaking of should be innate to her kit

but idk what it's like at A or S rank

[willow wedge]

this is so helpful omg

[elfin parrot]

if there's anything you don't understand please ask for more elaboration

@crude cloak https://i.imgur.com/8krRg1I.png

[crude cloak]

25% Ele DMG 🗣️ 🔥

[willow wedge]

i have a rank Coralie at S rank now, her weapon is fully levelled, and i have her full stig set, should i level up her stig set to full stars?

[crude cloak]

(less if underleveled too)

[crude cloak]

Not worth the Prisms tbh, the buff increase is very minor

[elfin parrot]

you can leave her stigs at lv 35/35 for now. Upgrading requires source prism which you may want to save for more future gacha only releases

[crude cloak]

And her personal damage doesn't matter enough

[willow wedge]

gotchu, will leave at 35

[elfin parrot]

!faq prism

[night parcel]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

keep in mind it takes 21 total to upgrade a full stig set to max (excluding crafting costs)

[willow wedge]

omg lol so much will defs save them

[elfin parrot]

this is also why i was saying earlier to not craft boltstorm's stig set. She has fallen off completely from the meta and has very limited uses so spending prisms and other costlier resources there is generally a waste or not highly appreciable

if you already did craft it then you can consider boltstorm more i suppose but you'll prob want to try out all those options regardless.

for 3pc boltstorm (again only if you already have it. Don't craft it otherwise), you'll want to pay attention to icons abover her hp meter, and make sure the stacks go up to 30 before ending her part in the rotation.

[willow wedge]

no bolt stigs, so will work with a S Coralie - A Coralie - PC build, since my PC is fully ranked and her weapon is pri-armed, will focus on building A Coralie's ranks

[elfin parrot]

what is PC?

[willow wedge]

sorry RC!

[elfin parrot]

ah ok

[willow wedge]

Still figuring out terms lol

[elfin parrot]

yeah it takes a while. You'll get the hang of it as you use and see them in the community over time

any other questions?

well free to ask whenever anything comes up. Be sure to check out pins here and in #👶beginner-help if you haven't already

[willow wedge]

thanks so much, busy building and prepping the team lol tryna see what i need to be ready for next patch

[digital sky]

Sairaaann so like
I know u probably answered this before
But how much of a support loss (outside of quantum) does sparkle loose without her weapon

[elfin parrot]

i'm basically going to paraphase from the weapon descriptions so read that if you haven't already

main thing is prob the extra collapse

there's some time stop too

[digital sky]

And 1.5 time stop on i am elation/fancy WA

[elfin parrot]

ye

if you want like damage comparisons then look at wyv's drive core video

[digital sky]

Im asking about support not dps tho

[elfin parrot]

i think it might still give a rough idea. Obviously it won't translate to the majority of the fight at that point but you can resize and rescale roughly on your own

actually you didn't tell me what kind of support she is operating as

[digital sky]

Badum support

So LoA
Sorry for not mentioning it

[elfin parrot]

she's generally predominant as LoA but since this is for qua i guess this is for teri? but sparkle can be a notable dps option too and different drive cores as long as they are maxed may be viable

well anyway i don't have the answers off the top of my head so i can only point you to resources

wyv does have more videos for like damage comparisons across loa supports

[digital sky]

I mean my only other LoA supports are Badum Helia HoH Vita and well sparkle now

[elfin parrot]

i mean generally gacha supports for any ring type esp in RL or below can be pretty close to one another

the greater differences really arises from gimmicks of the specific weather

but anyway if you still want to know what's generally best, again wyv has a video on that

[buoyant thistle]

Which team can I do with my walk for her?

Eden + helia?

[half hatch]

paws + VBm + eden/helia you'd have to test yourself who's better

[buoyant thistle]

Vbm?

[half hatch]

a rank coralie, we also have a glossary for abbreviations in #👶beginner-help pins

you'd just need to level her since i can see she's level 1

[buoyant thistle]

The hammer girl

[half hatch]

and get her weapon if you don't have it already

[half hatch]

yes

[buoyant thistle]

So Vbm + helia/Eden?

Rn I have a team with raiden mei + Eden + helia. So I'd like to use other walk for paws

Or find new walk for raiden

[wooden mantle]

Is she worth to pull?

[half hatch]

supports can be in multiple teams except in MA but for that you can just use RC/TA as a substitute

just know that both of these teams are pretty cope and especially the raiden team won't really do anything because HoT is already pretty dead meta wise

[half hatch]

no

[wooden mantle]

Ok ty

[buoyant thistle]

I have those team. Now im doing the one for paws

Actually the raiden one look strong. Idk if remove support of her team

[half hatch]

raiden isnt strong

you can always approach the game from a casual perspective but just so that you know the teams you have are pretty cope, the most decent one prob being the HoHe one but there you can also replace RC for kira

also again valks can share supports, the only time where you'd need multiple teams at the same time is MA and there you can use other cope options to substitue

[buoyant thistle]

I did't read yet the abbreviation stuff 😅

Where is the msg with all abbreviation?

[buoyant thistle]

Kira is abbreviation or name

[crude cloak]

Name (Shigure Kira to be exact)

[half hatch]

a name, but it's also mentioned in the glossary

[crude cloak]

The battlesuit's name is Sugary Starburst (or SSb/SSt)

[buoyant thistle]

Is kira better than RC?

[crude cloak]

Yes, but she needs SS to be better, and that takes a while

While RC is 100% functional at A

[buoyant thistle]

So until i get kira SS i use RC

[crude cloak]

Yes

[buoyant thistle]

Ok ty. About planetar armament VBm + Helia or Eden is better?

[open bone]

Helia should be better (possibly just until eden is SSS but plausibly just in general)

[rigid cedar]

Helia for the Stellar Drain

[open bone]

assuming neither geared

but eden might have a faster rot

[rigid cedar]

Would go eden anyway if fully geared

[buoyant thistle]

So only if SSS Eden. If not helia

[elfin parrot]

i don't think eden is going to be fast if she lacks her weapon

[rigid cedar]

she does, her existence is entirely why VBs isnt even good in part 1 teams

[elfin parrot]

the main thing about SSS eden is she gets a debuff skill when paralysis happens to the enemy

[open bone]

Not fast objectively but vbs is very slow

[elfin parrot]

and debuff skills are generally less common than buff skills so they are usually more valuable

[rigid cedar]

buffs last longer to be fair

[stuck orchid]

Like 90% sure i know the answer, but what's the best event stigma to grab? Is it still Suannah?

[rigid cedar]

yes

[elfin parrot]

you can leave the box alone until you see a particular use case for susannah overtime

but yeah likely susannah

nothing is really going to come close probably

[rigid cedar]

i mean, i didnt see any use case on face value for the other stigs

[open bone]

Yeah. I think it's probably fine as long as you go coralie -> eden instead of eden->coralie but that is a downside

[elfin parrot]

well if i have be really nit picky i think there's value in bronya backup for testing purposes between ranged and melee iirc but they already have it, and it's not for actual score improvement

[crude cloak]

Others are pretty much useless
Ovt is the only one that has a chance

[crude cloak]

Isn't there an Exchange stig for that anyway

[elfin parrot]

the game can take some pretty weird directions sometimes down the road that i rather give the safer answer even if it's extremely unlikely

but anyway i overall have agreed that there prob isn't another choice if you want to pick now

i more just stressed the conservative side for general foundation of any similar situations down the road

[rigid cedar]

..i actually would have skipped susannah overtime if I knew bronya backup was THAT stigma

[crude cloak]

It's not that stigma

[rigid cedar]

okay thank god

[crude cloak]

Actually, you need the 2pc effect

[elfin parrot]

wait what is that stigmata then

[crude cloak]

Brb

[elfin parrot]

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Bronya:_Backup

ranged attacks tdm boost

[stuck orchid]

It's a little sad i wasn't able to grab overtime while susannah was still meta, but i'm sure i'll find a use for it in the future

[elfin parrot]

so you just slap it on, test and remove it, and test (and be mindful of the slight atk change)

[rigid cedar]

[elfin parrot]

there's been a few cases of it on vita for PS dps so far

but they also want aladdin MB

[rigid cedar]

watch overtime be useless after vita dies and making me regret that box choice entirely

[elfin parrot]

and it's only when the fight allows you to avoid swapping to vita more than other fights

[rigid cedar]

(i do not have aladdin)

[stuck orchid]

I didn't know that, i actually do have 1 full aladdin set

[rigid cedar]

oh in that case thats an easy vita upgrade

[elfin parrot]

i wouldn't say upgrade so loosely

but yeah it's a niche consideration

[stuck orchid]

Honestly sounds like a fun strat i hope there's a PS weather soon i can try it on

[rigid cedar]

niche for bleed lead

[elfin parrot]

i think one of them was bleed or type counter nihilus husk. I can't remember the other more recent scenario tbh

[rigid cedar]

i hope more of these pop up, not having to swap stigmas anymore became boring

[stuck orchid]

Right? I love the fun, not-quite-dev-intended strategies

Now they just patch out any fun synergies they didn't expect

[rigid cedar]

rip moonbeam

[crude cloak]

Found it
https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Summer_Surfer

[stuck orchid]

Even R.I.P goemon luna...

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAxp2HM1AB0

[rigid cedar]

but thats only for physical

[crude cloak]

And nvm, it's not in Exchange

[elfin parrot]

that's physical

[crude cloak]

It's not

[elfin parrot]

is it not translated properly

[crude cloak]

When ranged attack hits, deal 200% ATK of Physical DMG in a 3.5-meter AOE around the enemy. CD: 5s.

Oh

[stuck orchid]

Oh i remember this one actually! Love Hieu Le's refs

[crude cloak]

I've never heard about it being mistranslated when discussing it before, so I assume it isn't

[elfin parrot]

even if it wasn't physical, that sounds like a separate instance of damage

[crude cloak]

Yes, which is good

[elfin parrot]

so that's not really going to help me deduce what is ranged or not from the valk itself

[crude cloak]

Makes testing easier

[crude cloak]

How so? It's only triggered by ranged attacks

[rigid cedar]

as for bronya backup
Total DMG from ranged attacks increases by 16%. After exiting, team receives 10% less DMG for 10 seconds. This cannot be repeated again while the duration lasts

[elfin parrot]

oh i see

[rigid cedar]

it was that stig