💁gameplay-help

[weak drum]

wait mango did i tell you to rate my name

[full trench]

900 where

[weak drum]

790*

[half hatch]

give me 900 with paws and i'll copy

[weak drum]

sinful 1

[vernal terrace]

[full trench]

i dont have paws or i would

[half hatch]

yuh

[weak drum]

its all a blur

why dont i rember anything

[half hatch]

[eager smelt]

have u tried doing more dmg

[full trench]

its a skill issue not dmg issue

i think

[eager smelt]

i cant do the run either 👍

because i havent opened hi3

[half hatch]

hmm 772

maybe i can actually get 790 with that

eh maybe bit too high

780

[spiral raven]

nirv?

[half hatch]

nah

Rl cope

[spiral raven]

[young nebula]

For Ely when not considering ARI loss, KiaELF would be better than DS

I finally was able to answer my long asked question since a year ago

[eager smelt]

just evade for more energy

[young nebula]

You think I need to use 2nd SO QTE for p1? Lacking too much dmg for ending

[night parcel]

Please do not impersonate the cabbages #rules-en

[half hatch]

LMAO

get cabbaged 🧀

[eager smelt]

missing dmg is right here

is ur sena ult still on cd

also u missed thelema basic on spawn before indulgence

i missed it too which is why i lost 2 points

[young nebula]

Are you suggesting more arrows before SO?

Haven't checked if my sena ult is still on cd, will give that a try

[eager smelt]

yes
if u look at my run i do all 3 weapons before ring cd

ur too slow on thelema

[young nebula]

need to farm faster

[half hatch]

@vernal terrace
This is roughly what i'm doing, im still experimenting a bit and trying to figure out what works best for me here but one thing i wanna point out are the extra basics and WA i did in SO i should have delayed them until i have 3 faces of infinitude that would have prob saved me a few points. You prob also won't be able to fully match my dmg just continue with your normal paws rot after this then.
https://streamable.com/0ok9w0

anyway i'll try more tmrw and also try some runs where i downgrade myself to better match ur dmg

hope this helps

[half hatch]

could prob also do the opener faster

[vernal terrace]

Ok

[half hatch]

feel free to ask if you have any questions why im doing what

[eager smelt]

why stay on helia when buffs are expired

[half hatch]

second CA on hellmaru ? i wasnt sure if it's 25 or 28 secs

if it's 25 then just SO ig

[young nebula]

Oh wow, I thought it was 30s long. Im so off

[eager smelt]

i have quite a few ideas on how to change that rot but i dont have a rl acc and i dont have any motivation to even attempt this boss so i sleep

[half hatch]

though sus buffs are extremely close maybe if i can do helia rot a bit faster

understandable tbh

i'll mess with it a bit but i'll prob leave it at that

won't min max this

[craggy ivy]

Anyone heb rl ref

S0 sena, vita, thel, SS1 hhe

[fierce crypt]

missing sss sera

[craggy ivy]

SS2, forgor about supply shop

Boss mobs on wave 1 too tanky send help

[eager smelt]

use last cycle the dmg shouldnt be that far off

[craggy ivy]

Oghei

[young nebula]

me tired

no progress ever since

[mortal jetty]

I smell a 780 here

[half hatch]

Yeah prob possible

[mortal jetty]

You lost too much time with random basic

[half hatch]

Smh I pointed that out if you mean SO

[mortal jetty]

Why not SO after hellmaru first one punch man? Try to abuse SO as much as possible

After kiana ult try to qteing with paws for some damage then you swap to sus

You also use the weapon skill in SO

Try to not cancel paws third ult on mobs for more damage

Normally you should abuse SO until the last frame

Even if you ended SO earlier you can try to qteing with kiana+ ult to refresh paws qte + ult and start a mini rot

You can even try ely+ kiana support ( more damage overall than sus badum)

Maybe you can even try teri aop for 2 SO?

[vernal terrace]

[craggy ivy]

Vro how is hieu le pulling dmg out of nothing

Same atk but he gets an extra half bar of dmg on hell

[mortal jetty]

If same team+ same rank you are probably missing something

[craggy ivy]

Does ely dmg scale from sp or no

Oh it does

Swapped to sp dkey limit and dmg went up

[mortal jetty]

Paws dps (badum+ ely) nirvana

710 can be possible

Or maybe more

[vernal terrace]

Can't do Ely

[mortal jetty]

Sus enough in RL

[craggy ivy]

Someone in my brack sniping with SS3 hhe and SS thel

It's rl...

[mortal jetty]

Just score more than ihm

[craggy ivy]

He hide score with side stage

[full trench]

if its rl they're gonna forget to play

[vernal terrace]

716
Don't know if SS DS is much less point wise compared to SS Sonkek

[mortal jetty]

Should be like 10-20 point less from my experience

RL

800 doable

@half hatch

[vernal terrace]

At least I got over 700
Gonna keep on trying to improve

[open bone]

Good skill

Meanwhile I think I’m cooked

ATP I’m hoping I can manage only -100

[vernal terrace]

I might be able to retain

[craggy ivy]

Tbf if you have ely you'd just run ely dps 🥀

[mortal jetty]

Ely small

[craggy ivy]

Issit, I rmb someone saying ely bigger damage per rot but just takes too long

[mortal jetty]

S2 but yeah you are not wrong...I just wanted to see how much paws can perform

[craggy ivy]

Ah

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[mint plover]

Got baited thinking it was your nirvana account

[crude cloak]

That would be crazy ngl

[full sky]

There's a reason why DS SS is better thzn anything else in F2P

[full trench]

because ds can be male

[young nebula]

best answer

[lapis raven]

aops dont rly bring much benefit out of nirv

rl and below most bosses can be one SO’d

[eager smelt]

not much benefit in nirvana too

comfort goes up but score not so much

[elfin parrot]

score not so much but scores are more congested and closer together in nirv

DS can definitely still retain a good deal though. So yeah it's moreso comfort at that point

[spiral raven]

i cant see ds retain in nirv, at least not in my brackets

[eager smelt]

because no one maso enough to do an optimized ds run

[mortal jetty]

Not in LOA

[elfin parrot]

SEA might be a different story

yeah i can't speak for LoA. I simped for teri there lol

[mortal jetty]

Not teri in LOA= sleep

[spiral raven]

chenxue gap looks kinda big as well, funds where

[lapis raven]

s teri vs ss ds is pretty huge no?

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[lapis raven]

and ss sera vs ss ds for current weather

[lapis raven]

well thats a given ig

[mortal jetty]

Need more whale

[spiral raven]

i monthly only

[mortal jetty]

Not even bp?

[eager smelt]

for the 2nd stellar shift
ring timings are not so different

[full trench]

i have no xtals i better get 8.4 on the discounted multi

[lapis raven]

yea

and then sonk isnt rly useful till sss so

[spiral raven]

nope, unless it was a special occasion and i reward myself

[mortal jetty]

[dusty dagger]

Asa too whel

[mortal jetty]

Wtf

[mint plover]

Asawhale

[marble sigil]

guys who's easy to lvl up this elysian realm using the variable arms build?

I can unlock a new S rank from the war treasury

[mint plover]

Every valk

Every valk can finality with variable arms

[mint plover]

!faq wt

[night parcel]

War Treasury Farming

Hey, Captain!

Click [here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the War Treasury Farming Recommendation, which is kept updated!

Short Answer:

• If there are limited-time discounts on character cards, buy them ASAP!
• Prioritise buying character cards of Valkyries that are in Elysian Realm.
• After that, unlock everyone else for dorm progression.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[latent kestrel]

How to utilise helia astral ring without other grail-valks? I can't get enough SP for x3 ulti.

[mint plover]

You can't, they are required for 3stacks

!faq grail

[night parcel]

Astral Ring Specialization - Grail of Infinitude

Allow me to explain, Captain!

The "Grail of Infinitude" Astral Ring Specialization revolves around the team sharing SP in Stellar Outburst. Valkyries with this Specialization have the ability to consume huge amounts of SP to deal damage.

Valkyiries with the "Symbiosis" tag can support them by greatly boosting max SP, generating large amounts of SP for the shared SP pool, and their ult cost will be 0 in Stellar Outburst which leaves more SP in the pool for the leader to consume.

During Stellar Outburst, certain skills can generate "Shining Trace" - reaching 900 Shining Trace will trigger a stack of "Facet of Infinitude" which gives teamwide buffs. You can observe your amount of Shining Trace by looking for a white glow around your SP bar. Valkyries with the Symbiosis tag can trigger Facet of Infinitude quickly.

Examples:

• Grail of Infinitude Specialization:
  • Planetary Armament: Warped Spacetime
• Symbiosis tag:
  • Peregrine Sword
  • Ba-Dum! Fiery Wishing Star
  • Reign Solaris

[mint plover]

You could try to use rite of oblivion for some buffs, but its not going to help much

[latent kestrel]

Yep, idk, when i put rite of oblivion it's also felt like dps drop. If i press ring on helia now it's also dps drop

Ehm... I should use ELF?

[mint plover]

Depends, the only elf right now that is objectively better than a ring is 4★ kiaelf>songque ss, but in base ranks i doubt they will help much

Ss ds is actually really good

(for being a free op)

[marble sigil]

thanks, unlocking DA

[mint plover]

You already have hos?

[latent kestrel]

Oh, i only now understand that you can level AstralOp.

[mint plover]

Rank them? Obviously, by pulling dupes, and since ds is free, the way of collecting the second dupe for ss is completing p2 ch4

[latent kestrel]

Nono, leveling them up to 80

[mint plover]

Ah, well, obviously you can

Elfs too are lvl80 max

[latent kestrel]

Yeah, tried putting coralie as leader for rite of oblivion. Something like -30% dps. Because of losing leader buffs?

[marble sigil]

yea

do you have any guide or advice for ER builds for DA and SK?

[mint plover]

Coralie is not a great dps even for rite

[marble sigil]

specifically using variable arms

[mint plover]

The only good rite dps as for now is vita

||this will change next patch||

[mint plover]

Specially not

But its just "get all the flamechasrrs signets and all nexus possible"

[mortal jetty]

@sleek imp

You can also adjust your p1 by not doing the dive with hoh and stay longer with basic+ sena ult

It was a quick run btw ..you can probably do more

[sleek imp]

thank youuuu I'll try once I have access to PC

[mortal jetty]

Good luck tradeylao

[quaint tulip]

just returned for a month and completed returnee mission after years of hiatus. now hit lvl 80 and haven't unlocked the cap. got some question about team build, anyone care to explain? mostly will be about which valk to build first etc (full F2P btw). also, sry if wrong channel

[lament prairie]

New teams use the astral ring system

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lapis raven]

ss ds or s sera

[dusky mantle]

Chenxue

[mortal jetty]

[fair oyster]

[mint plover]

For what?

[lapis raven]

nirv hh sena thel

[mint plover]

Sera probably, but still try, you can't be sure unless you try yourself

That's what tops do

[mortal jetty]

Does S sera have more initial AR points than SS DS?

[mint plover]

Try, learn and experiment

That's the best way to get better at this game

[mortal jetty]

~~ and mald your life ig~~

[mint plover]

Imagine nirvana no mald

[mortal jetty]

I mean ... you can still get decent score without malding

But some cap score need malding

[mint plover]

That's not the norm after all

Usually great scores need mald

[mortal jetty]

It depends of what you mean with great score

[mint plover]

Close to cap or cap directly

[half hatch]

No but Ari regen

[mortal jetty]

Bruh this is what I am saying tho

Okay thanks super prof mango

[mortal jetty]

Like yesterday I played 20 min for 849 but to get 850 i malded like ~~ 2 more hours~~

The last point of the cap is only big problem

[round arch]

Dont remind me of that, need to mald for 1 more point💀

[mortal jetty]

Prepare yourself...852 or i will rip your ass

[dusty dagger]

Wtf

[mortal jetty]

Cay so whel

[vernal terrace]

😭

[dusty dagger]

Asa more whel

[mortal jetty]

[fair escarp]

i haven't played ts game in 9 months can i still use sparkle 4/4

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[lapis raven]

whats ur ign

gonna +1 ur score for funsies

[full trench]

anyone have tech that makes s sonk score like ss sera

[lapis raven]

alt f4 maybe

aint even able to make my ss sonk score like ss sera

[full trench]

[lapis raven]

ive made my ss sonk score like sss sonk tho

[mortal jetty]

Is there even a diff between SS songque and sss songque ?

[lapis raven]

yea one costs more

damn sencho aint even t50

[edgy hamlet]

Is 4* kiaelf better than DS this cycle?

[spiral raven]

fire/lightning no, unless they made her general with ring

[full trench]

yeah marginally assuming ur doing the opener evades

[edgy hamlet]

I seem to have better damage with kiaelf by a little bit

wasnt sure if I was imagining things

[full trench]

well it doesnt negatively affect ring timing but maybe out of SO damage is important enough for ds idk, just going off what someone else with kiaelf said

[edgy hamlet]

hmm i see

[lapis raven]

wth eu nirv so squish

i do same rot i did on sea and am scoring like +20pts

[edgy hamlet]

whel bottle

[lapis raven]

how whel

im legit playing sonkop

not sera

[edgy hamlet]

DS run where

[lapis raven]

im f2p im not broke

[spiral raven]

did u use sena or vita

[lapis raven]

sena

[spiral raven]

oh wat score

u s0 thel tho?

[lapis raven]

for both

[lapis raven]

yes, 794 rn

right below zunzun

[spiral raven]

wait u use both sena and vita?

wait what

nvm

[lapis raven]

no sena on both sea and eu

[full trench]

820 when

[lapis raven]

i tried vita on sea cos i got s2 but it was too slow

[lapis raven]

on eu sure, im 818 rn

[spiral raven]

eu d op

[full trench]

what in the gap

[mortal jetty]

Wottle pro gamer

[spiral raven]

op

[full trench]

i need the tech that makes handless score like hands

[spiral raven]

same

[vagrant fractal]

Auto play coming in part 3 dw

[edgy hamlet]

i need the tech that makes s2 ely score like ss

[spiral raven]

same

[full trench]

the tech is called pwo

[edgy hamlet]

Im still farming LE lol

[spiral raven]

wat pwo

[full trench]

get sss helia and some more dupes

[lapis raven]

s2 hh in 2025?

[lapis raven]

pure witch orb

[spiral raven]

ah

[lapis raven]

even my f2p ass has ss0

[edgy hamlet]

wait is hohe even in the pwo shop?

[spiral raven]

she is

u can get 8

[edgy hamlet]

interesting... I may not spend my bp balls on her stamps then

[spiral raven]

isnt thel/fov next

want to be saving for it maybe

idk

[edgy hamlet]

Is it s2 thel that is worth getting?

[vernal terrace]

||FoV||

Thel is possibly 8.5 maybe

[spiral raven]

too pro

[full trench]

huge

[spiral raven]

do the same in sea

waiting 4 ur ref

[lapis raven]

same rot?

[spiral raven]

same score

[lapis raven]

794 take it or leave it

[spiral raven]

[lapis raven]

omegadance

[lapis raven]

ez tbh, just have ss sera duh

eu i dont even need to bother about mobs

sea i hv to target frost mob with my hh wa or i dont kill

[dusty dagger]

[lapis raven]

ok whalecay

[dusty dagger]

Wow

[lapis raven]

dont need to remind me that i went for sonkop instead

cant even beat u on sena weathers anym cos fws exists

[spiral raven]

did u record the rot

[lapis raven]

nope but i rmb it why

[spiral raven]

wats the rot, idk, maybe i can get something out of it

[lapis raven]

sweat ass lobby

[lapis raven]

eh i try a run now and see if i get decent rng

uve seen my gears on myriad ya?

[spiral raven]

forgot ur gears, but prob dont matter

just need inspiration

[lapis raven]

alr

[spiral raven]

[mint plover]

Try doing nirvana with hohe vita sena and tell me

[lapis raven]

what u doing skipping thel weap

[mint plover]

Skipping ≠not being able to get it

[lapis raven]

whale harder duh

[full trench]

what abt visa chan

[lapis raven]

realll

[mint plover]

Im f2p wdym?

[lapis raven]

f2p and skip the most f2p friendly valk

[mint plover]

I stoped playing in that patch cuade p2 zzz

[lapis raven]

f2p and quitting </3

https://medal.tv/clips/kPTFazya6UJIBkhBp
@spiral raven sena got staggered before ult so improving my score seems doable albeit just by a little bit

need mald for atk rng, if he does the run atk its more or less reset

yea improved it

[mortal jetty]

What a Pro

[lapis raven]

https://medal.tv/clips/kPTWX3zRYd5_UMzxD

[viral bough]

who do i get pls im a returning player

[mortal jetty]

They are not relevant anymore ...you can only pick the valk that you like for ER ( for crystal)

[spiral raven]

ty, i will check it tmr

[hoary pebble]

is this Nirvana?

[lapis raven]

yea

[hoary pebble]

nice!

[lapis raven]

nice nice nice

[hoary pebble]

i cant get more than 840 in rl lol

[lapis raven]

https://medal.tv/clips/kPSG4QcHEDPRg0BuH

try that

[dark phoenix]

900 in RL 🐳

[lapis raven]

f2p player

thats a regular nirv player

[full trench]

900 in rl is whale in sea

[vernal terrace]

Whel

[fierce crypt]

nice f2p

[hoary pebble]

oh by the way is your HoH SS?

[sullen linden]

that's the equivalent of winning an argument against a newborn

[lapis raven]

s2 there

[crude cloak]

I mean, that is genuinely impressive

How are you gonna start arguing with a newborn in the first place

[full trench]

i've never gotten a newborn to concede in an argument with me

[lapis raven]

he said im shit at honkai

i had to stand on business

[crude cloak]

Am I the newborn in question

[full trench]

oh snap

are u gonna take that lying down

[dusty dagger]

Help channel drama

[normal cloak]

Im a noob

Dont change my opinion

[sleek imp]

[lapis raven]

i mean u play like one so maybe

[crude cloak]

Fair point

[olive flicker]

teammate got teammated

[half hatch]

@mortal jetty any ideas ?

i don't like my p1 tbh

but i couldn't figure out a faster way

tried kia ult at the begining into qte and 1 ult but i didnt hit every mob and only killed 1-2 cuz 1 spawns a bit later

[mortal jetty]

Did you try to start with ely? Like dodge the fire ball -> CA+WA -> badum qte + ult-> paws stuff

I think you can even enter SO earlier

When SO earlier try the qte tech after badum ult

[lapis raven]

man come

mango

[half hatch]

what

omg

nvm

i get it

[mortal jetty]

When you start badum second rot you can do badum CA for AR

[half hatch]

836

i lowk see potential for 840

[mortal jetty]

Does my tech help?

[mortal jetty]

Hmm for real?

[half hatch]

i did your p1 and could do kia combo excactly whenn hellmaru spawns, skipped CA before SO instead i now do 1 weapon after 6th helia ult, didnt do 2 helia qte during SO though

[half hatch]

i did finisher on 839

and had little dmg left after it

[mortal jetty]

Hmmm

[mortal jetty]

Are you doing SO qte tech?

[half hatch]

trying to implement it now

maybe i can skip WA and just do 1-2 basics

[mortal jetty]

Yeah

[lapis raven]

is this a3

[half hatch]

eu rl = sea a3 so yeah

[lapis raven]

oh rl

bro 840 in rl lowk cool

oh but u do hv hh ig so idk

[half hatch]

sushi got me like 827

wasnt too bad

[dusky mantle]

U mean u arent????

[boreal eagle]

wtf is this bug

[crude cloak]

lmao

[thick aspen]

i saw afklord complain about that too

some bug with ending elys AR

[boreal eagle]

there are two of those things to spawn balls

what a nightmare

[shut copper]

something old

[full sky]

"Elysia let me he-"

[shy storm]

How to get 900 points in this event?

[open bone]

Take both the +roaming stats starting items

And then click lots of roaming options

Which means avoiding the bottom 4 options in school

Then there’s also some optimization with items or picking choices that offer 1-2 more stat points (see pins) but I don’t think either is strictly necessary

[open bone]

If I don’t have any good physical mech is it better to use physical or type advantage for ssma cope? I can do HoR cope Ice team or an even more cope physical team, but I can only ER buff one of them this week

I’m not expecting much from either of them but a few thousand points could be the difference between hitting 35% or not

And all else equal I’d like to

[dusky mantle]

ITS A FEATURE. double dps on field

More damage

[open bone]

Ice team would look something like HoR + 2 of JK, HoHE, HB probably? And phys team would be some combination of HoV + HoS, or I could do either Griseo

All cope geared other than HoV weapon

[thick aspen]

just use any newish valk instead of trying to cope with 3-4 years old stuff

they will beat those type advantages and elements with raw damage

[weak drum]

wait what’s er buff

[thick aspen]

i was too afraid to ask

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUx5_H2vJc4 seems like this? read end of description

[spiral raven]

different because you cant swap back in and perma 2 people

[elfin parrot]

oh i just noticed the swap icons

yeah that's really weird lol

[pale musk]

Does anyone have a good ref in Nirv for a team like this? The refs I'm finding have too many ranks.

[spiral raven]

yea and i had this occur 8/10 times so it's giga frustrating to mald

[mortal jetty]

You will not really find a ref with tbis

You need to be your own ref

[half hatch]

i only have awawa ref but they have SS HoHe

idk if that helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoGLpKoT330

[open bone]

I don’t have new valks, my PS / PAWS / VBM / VBS / TA / RC are locked up on the real bosses

Like I’m sure you’re right that they’re better

It’s just not really actionable advice

[spiral raven]

u just try both out then

and see which does better

not exactly replicable for most of us cuz much higher rank

use valk with starting sp as leader

i think in ur case most natural one to use is hohe leader

though that would be a bit strange cuz what u use for heph then

but anyhow valk with starting sp and then brute force ig

[open bone]

Well I don’t have her dkey anyway

So she’s not terribly useful outside of cope ma SS runs

[spiral raven]

p1 hohe prob still does better on heph but ur supports prob cooked so fair maybe?? but anyways if you use hohe leader then yea that's fine

[ocean jewel]

Long time returnee here, what exactly am I supposed to do if I don't have the newest characters?

[spiral raven]

either save up hoard crystals or depending on your current progression and your goals of this game, you might continue on or consider starting fresh

[ocean jewel]

The only part 2 characters I have are Sparkle and Senadina, both 4/4

[ocean jewel]

Wayyy too far in to restart, also my hoyo account is tied to the other hoyo games as well

I have a lot of the P1 characters 4/4

[open bone]

Sparkle still technically has some bosses but it’s really rare, she can’t support current ring though which is tragic. You probably want to either save for 8.4 if you have a bunch of crystals or 8.5 if you don’t

[spiral raven]

then u just save and hoard, not that those p1 char matter anymore

[ocean jewel]

What do you mean?

[spiral raven]

save and hoard til you can get newest release on initial release

guarantee weap and valk

[ocean jewel]

Why don't P1 chars matter anymore?

[open bone]

Power creep

[spiral raven]

cuz there's p2 valks and p1 valks either too old to compete in their own weather, or u need some p2 valks to support those p1 valks

and p1 valk weathers just don't occur as frequently anymore

[full trench]

p1 valks will also never be able to work with anything new

[ocean jewel]

Too old to just stay consistently RL?

[full trench]

which even applies to older p2 valks

[spiral raven]

yup i would say so

though idk about na could be diff story

[ocean jewel]

What if the newest release isn't one I want?

[spiral raven]

then u just skip it entirely, and just chill at agony if it needs be

like u either prioritize the meta which kinda makes it hard and/or very punishing for skipping depending on the valk, like next one is breach support so

or you pull newest only if you like it, then i doubt u can retain rl, so u just chill in agony

maybe u can retain, but idk how its like in na

[ocean jewel]

I wouldn't be able to pull every new valk on release though would I

[spiral raven]

no,

[ocean jewel]

Do you really get that many pulls in a patch?

[open bone]

Patches are longer now

[spiral raven]

u dont

[open bone]

But you can still get most patches

Just not all unless ur lucky

[ocean jewel]

So then either way it's still technically a loss if I can!t get every single newest valk, assuming I'd even want them

[spiral raven]

with most p2 valks u can minimum bounce rl, or retain it

[full trench]

you get the average # of pulls for a valk every patch but most of your pulls will be outside the average, if you get monthly i would expect to get 1 new release a patch

[spiral raven]

yes but that's how this game is

[open bone]

I struggle with bouncing rl with 2 but I have presumably a significantly lower dorm level than they do

[full trench]

there are ops and dkeys still so you cant get everything regardless

[open bone]

And fewer dkeys

[ocean jewel]

What's op

[open bone]

Astral op

[full trench]

p2 elfs

[spiral raven]

p2 elf

[open bone]

New elves

[ocean jewel]

Oh right

I only have the MC

[open bone]

Tho old elves are still usable with high stars and dreamseeker is pretty good

[spiral raven]

p2 no longer as focused about element type but rather the mode of dps

[open bone]

Yeah you don’t need anyone other than MC unless you’re in nirv

Tho it can help if you’re otherwise borderline

[ocean jewel]

Wdym

[full trench]

they're good enough until nirvana, even in nirvana u might be better off skipping them and getting valks instead

[spiral raven]

there's different rings depending on who is leader

p2 revolves around astral ring mechanic, which is whoever leader, can deal dps in a certain way

[full trench]

the newer an op is the better they are though so it might get to the point where they're actually recommended for rl players too

though there are specific gameplay reasons why that might still not be the case

[spiral raven]

got pins about that, can read that first, but essentially rather than saying i got fire dps so i want hotr back in the days, u say, my dps is of the ring X, i want someone who supports X

[ocean jewel]

Earlier someone said that P1 characters will never work with newer stuff, but what about valks like HoHE that get gear for that?

I have her new Astral Ring related gear 4/4

[spiral raven]

p2 valks can be support or dps depending whether leader or not

[open bone]

With her new dkey HoHE is a p2 valk now yes.

HoFI is the same way with her dkey

[spiral raven]

valks if they get p2 gear they can work with p2 gear, but hohe for example does not work with old p1 valk with p2 gear

[ocean jewel]

I wasn't able to get HoFi's

[open bone]

It’ll rerun next patch but pulling it isn’t advised

[ocean jewel]

Why

[spiral raven]

hofi feels like is going to remain an exception where her trio remains in tact if you use her as dps, hofi's dk gives hoo a big bonus in dmg in addition, but future p1 valks likely wont have this benefit, as with hohe

[open bone]

Because she’s been power crept

So she’s not as good as a new release

Though admittedly getting just her dkey is like 60% cheaper

Than new release + dkey

[full trench]

if your trio has some ranks it's honestly not that damaging to your account to get it, long term it's not advisable but it will make the time you wait to get p2 valks more enjoyable

[ocean jewel]

Wdym as with HoHE

[full trench]

hohe uses p2 teammates

hofi still uses trio

[ocean jewel]

Which

[full trench]

thelema and sena/vita

[open bone]

HoHE uses thelema mostly

[ocean jewel]

I only have Senadina

And Sparkle, as mentioned

[full trench]

there are other supports for her ring type but they all are significant downgrades

[spiral raven]

if you think about hofi, her new dk does not mean you have to pull new teammates, its a straight upgrade other than pulling new dk and new stigmatas

hohe requires new teammates and having aop also makes a big impact for her if you want to be competitive

i am saying that hofi will prob remain as an exception suppose p1 valks get dk

they will not be compatible with their old p1 teammates

[ocean jewel]

So Kira and Sushang don't work for HoHE anymore? Why exactly is that the case though?

[crude cloak]

They do work, they're just worse

[spiral raven]

her gear becomes focused in buffing astral ring mechanic

p1 valks support does not contribute to charging your ring

[crude cloak]

Depends on what you mean by "work" though

[spiral raven]

she reliant on ring to dps for the most part

think of old hohe sp problems

instead its ring Ari problem

that can only be solved by p2 teammates and aop

[ocean jewel]

I see

So I cope with Sena since I don't have Thelema or Vita?

[spiral raven]

sena does support hohe, but u be stuck with 2/3, in that case, you should farm up a rank coralie and get weap from story

coralie is rite of oblivion

which supports all rings, though with a caveat

but better than nothing

[crude cloak]

For example, Hieu Le got a very solid result while running P1 supps
https://youtu.be/kcVmzxMOSHM?si=AmLk0wVknRwYeno7

A proper P2 comp was only like 10 pts above (if using DS)

An RL ref tbf, in Nirv the gap would be bigger

[spiral raven]

it mostly because hohe is ass without sera

[ocean jewel]

Sera?

[spiral raven]

she is the dedicated aop for her as of rn

dedicated p2 elf

[ocean jewel]

Oh

[spiral raven]

for the ring type new hohe belongs to

[ocean jewel]

Where can she be obtained

[spiral raven]

gacha only and iirc not now

becuz her banner not up

[crude cloak]

Not worth getting anyway unless you alr are in Nirvana quite often

Well, Sera's not worth getting at all atp, I meant AOs in general

[spiral raven]

for rl its sufficient with the one you are given

[ocean jewel]

I mean right now I'm in Sinful, having taken a very long break and all

I came back because I heard about a certain character

[spiral raven]

well then hoard until u hear more about it

and just do w/e u can until then

[ocean jewel]

So just cope with P1 valks or Sena?

[spiral raven]

well if it needs be

[full trench]

i mean ur in sinful rn u can probably just play your favorite teams and promote

[spiral raven]

dont expect rl retain and then just chill

[ocean jewel]

How would playing HoHE with Sena even work and who would be the 3rd

[spiral raven]

coralie

sena applies buff automatically when you enter battle, read her skills on wheel of Destiny

coralie u just weap or ulti at the start

you turn off qte on all of them

hohe u can ca and dps the same way as old hohe before u get ring up

once ring up u have a little diff combo string not too diff from when you old p1 hohe ult, check tutorial

[crude cloak]

(keep HoHE's QTE on)

[spiral raven]

yea

[ocean jewel]

What is Wheel of Destiny and where do I see that

[spiral raven]

in ring,

[crude cloak]

Wheel of Destiny is an Astral Ring type

[spiral raven]

skills of the valk

[crude cloak]

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[full trench]

teammate do u go to search faqs before remembering ur a prof

[ocean jewel]

So Sena attacks off field?

Is that what that means

[full trench]

no

[quasi pier]

she stays off field

like you don't send her out

[ocean jewel]

So she just... exists and buffs?

[quasi pier]

yes

[spiral raven]

she applies buff while off field, she has a mechanic where she can consume sp off battle on enter and exiting/entering stellar outburst

while she has enough sp, you will never need to swap her in

and u never run out of sp in practice

u might see downtimes becuz u dont keep up with refreshing the stellar outburst

but dont be too concerned about it atp

[crude cloak]

Nah, it was surprisingly easy to break that habit

[ocean jewel]

Also, Coralie is lvl 1 and doesn't have her weapon

[spiral raven]

p2 story should give weap and her frags from asterite shop

[ocean jewel]

Damn, constantly updating non-English story is the primary reason I took such a long break

She's been SSS though and she has all her stigs

[spiral raven]

then do story u get weap and u can slop her in

[ocean jewel]

Can I just like, skip the story if I don't wanna read all that

[spiral raven]

yes there's skip option

but they try to make it open world like so u have to run and interact with shit even if u skip dialogue

[ocean jewel]

Man

[spiral raven]

should be relatively quick tho just for the weap

[full trench]

getting to the point where you can grab her weapon is pretty quick

[ocean jewel]

How many crystals maximum does it take to get a valk and her gear?

[spiral raven]

90+60

so like 40k ish xtals

[crude cloak]

42k to be exact, but the first 10x on brand new valks has a 50% discount

So it's 85+60=40.6k

!faq rates

[night parcel]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ocean jewel]

Damn

I have barely 20 pulls

How long does this patch have left

[crude cloak]

2 weeks and 1-2 days

Until August 21st

[ocean jewel]

Time to slave away at events I guess

[crude cloak]

Events don't give many crystals

They're mostly for mats

[ocean jewel]

...Then what does?

[quasi pier]

er and abyss

[crude cloak]

That's out of consistent sources

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral raven]

most of xtals is just slow build up

[quasi pier]

if you still have some p1 story, you can do that for xtals

[crude cloak]

Just noticed the spreadsheet there didn't age well

[spiral raven]

good enough to get an idea

[spiral raven]

[sacred cape]

Anyone have a 860 ish ref with this thanks

[dusky mantle]

Dang whalws

[dusky mantle]

Dang whalws

Wtf is that 900 in rl

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/fVwsvuxQF_g I followed just about this run and somehow I got 719 and even then that's not meant to be the best I can do with this tam. Can I have some advice please?

[eager smelt]

that looks nothing like my ref

[pale musk]

I had more luck with Hieu's ref (the 719) though this was the footage I was able to capture...I think

[eager smelt]

if hieu les ref is a 719 thats just sad

[pale musk]

Well no, I got a 719, hieu got 851

[eager smelt]

why not use my run which is more relatable for u who is lacking astral op

[pale musk]

I'll do another using your ref

[eager smelt]

just replace ds with kiana and then add more atks

[pale musk]

cause your run was worse #💁gameplay-help message

from my practice

I'll try again though

[full trench]

u have s2?

[pale musk]

ye

[full trench]

rough

should still be way more though

[edgy hamlet]

what score estimation for s2 HoH with 4*kiaelf?

Im in the same boat lol

[eager smelt]

u should be able to do a high 700

like 780 or more

[edgy hamlet]

hmm alright I could try that

[dusky mantle]

I see

[pale musk]

It hard

[eager smelt]

if it was easy i wouldnt record it

[pale musk]

How does Jump+evade work?

[eager smelt]

simple
jump before the evade flings u out of the fireball

[pale musk]

so it's evade + jump?

[eager smelt]

no its jump evade jump

if u dont know what im doing just watch the energy bar

watching my animations wont help much

unless u have good eyes

[pale musk]

I'm doing something wrong. I have been watching the energy bar enough to know I need to get to 96 before the combo attack, but nothing else is working properly

[strange raft]

The game costs 29gb on my phone after deleting everything

Is that correct? The same for yall?

[pale musk]

Like here, I try jump evade jump and I just do 2 backflips

[eager smelt]

yeah because ur not even in the fireball

[pale musk]

I thought I'd be close enough, I can't be too close or it'll explode

[eager smelt]

it wont explode if u evade it

which u do before ulting

[full trench]

@eager smelt how did u get 835 wtf

[edgy hamlet]

their old ref was 817 at 537D

[full trench]

awa back to ratting ?

[eager smelt]

?

835 isnt a good score

last cycle i got 845

im slacc rn

[full trench]

yeah but how did u do it

[eager smelt]

using ss songque

the ds run is another acc

[edgy hamlet]

ah nvm

[full trench]

i have s and it still felt like i was damage gated not ari gated but obviously not since its not physically possible to damage gap me that much with those ranks

[eager smelt]

with s songque ur probably losing time with energy farming instead of dmg

[full trench]

some time but im 807

i ring off cd idrk what could be the problem except maybe im missing some attacks

[eager smelt]

u could just use my ds ref then since ur dmg should be the same

[full trench]

i tried to do it but just farm off the beam instead bc thats easier for me

but it still took too long to kill

[eager smelt]

its easier but are u sure ur not bricking ur dmg with that

show run

[full trench]

i didnt record it might take me a while to replicate it

[pale musk]

I'm giving up for today because it's midnight, but I'll be uploading my pain in a sec. At least it's better than earlier.

https://youtu.be/s2K9ZBxlUwg?si=g_Uo0JIca04yMmeF&t=597 succesful run is around 9:57

[eager smelt]

why ds

use kiana

[pale musk]

2 SO = more inital AR after SO
more inital AR after SO does not =kiana
therefore kiana trash

as far as I know at least

[eager smelt]

whats initial energy gonna do when u ring at the exact same point because of the energy farm

[full trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbcapjUp5Y obvious point gain of not overfarming ari but i dont think 830+ is possible

[eager smelt]

ur overkilling mobs

[full trench]

i tried combo + finisher, combo + 2nd shadow + finisher and neither were enough

but i did only try them a few times

[eager smelt]

and then ur thelema leaves a lot to be desired

pre ult is a bit iffy since its slow and ur doing too much tap wa which does almost 0 dmg but is ok
ur ult is just terrible tho since ur not doing any dmg at all there

[full trench]

with the follow up was

[eager smelt]

u should be able to indulgence thelema 1 more time

and still have time for hohes weapons before ring cd

[full trench]

the aaa wa aaa wa was just for positioning cause i saw it was gonna do the flame pillar attack

only thing i know against this enemy is dont do aerial aaa cause it pushes u to the ground

[eager smelt]

aerial aaa is fine

just reset ur position so u dont get locked

[eager smelt]

talking about before that

u did 3 tap wa before indulgence

[full trench]

so do aaa w combo?

and dont ult to get more evades

just stop being bad

[eager smelt]

u should be ulting for more evades

but u should also be doing dmg

u use the ult to get a free indulgence in

since u can evade to full bar

[full trench]

i see

[spiral raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FxQyqYEaI

[full trench]

what score do u think is possible

[spiral raven]

thoughts, anyone got any comments? im so deadge

[eager smelt]

u can see in my ds run i did atk, evades, and an entire indulgence in my timestop

u should be able to definitely 820 its not too difficult

[full trench]

its almost midnight so not gonna do too many more runs tonight but i'll try to take your advice, this boss is kind of hard but ig thats nirv

[eager smelt]

why are u doing that thelema seq its very weird

[spiral raven]

i tried all kinds of seq, that seq worked for me idk

its weird

like i ran a bunch of diff seqs and compared them side by side, this one seem to be the best unless i mess up the testing

[eager smelt]

ur not getting the benefits of time or dmg with that
just go fast and then after the indulgence u go to hohe and do the 3 weapons instead of staying on thelema until ring cd

[spiral raven]

hohe 3 weap feels like no dmg tho, but ig i can try

but k, just go fast ?

[eager smelt]

yeah

[spiral raven]

aight

[eager smelt]

at the end thelema do indulgence first then timestop

[spiral raven]

i tried that b4, but its been slower dat way idk

i got 821 when i did it the way in the vid

could never repeat it tho

i'll try again and see how it goes tho

[eager smelt]

im saying that because if u go fast on thelema u probably wont have enough sp for a direct ult

but it shouldnt lose u time since u cant kill anyways

[spiral raven]

the ult is cuz i ate sp bag

[eager smelt]

yeah and u wouldnt have 105 sp if u cut ur atks

[spiral raven]

fair

[mortal jetty]

Sena rondo didn't touch the mobs

Isn't it better to ult directly after hoh wa in p1?

Aaa weapon hold a seems slow ..isn't it better to do aaa weapon hold weapon?

[spiral raven]

it seems more dmg for me

[mortal jetty]

Yeah but slow asf imo

[spiral raven]

u mean thel did the freeze into hohe qte wa so

[spiral raven]

i just tried going fast i cant make the dmg back up later

boss still has a 1/3 of his hp, so like the last bar

[mortal jetty]

Yeah like ult and then aaa weapon hold weapon

[spiral raven]

its weirdge cuz ive tried going fast and stuff but i cant seem to make the dmg bck up later for w/e reason

this awkward seq i got seems to work the best after trial and error but idk if it is this seq

or is it im jsut fucking up

[mortal jetty]

If you are fast you can ult with thelema at 996

[spiral raven]

i cant, i can only get 995 sometimes, but like 95% of the time its 994, like idk, ig i dont spam fast enough

when i shoot weap its 999, i swap into thel its like 997, i can get an auto off at 995, and then when i ult its always 994, sometimes 995, but its like the end of it

whenever i done with p1 its basically always 953 or 952

ive seen 954, but then it just goes to 953 immediately

[mortal jetty]

Why auto when you can ult instantly

https://youtu.be/pCTxqmMtWrM?si=hoE8_X9nBEvOjUAA

[spiral raven]

i ult instantly i dont hit all mob

[mortal jetty]

Look at my opener

I have all three mobs and ult at 996

[spiral raven]

yea but is it just the timing of my evade or wat, when i try not all 3 spawn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401816168330952714/1396107455456481280.gif

[eager smelt]

whats the point of ulting instantly if its slow

[mortal jetty]

Its not slow for me

Aaa before ult seems to slow imo

[eager smelt]

u lose a little bit of time if u were to ult then do 3 stacks than do 1 stack ult then do the other 2

yeah u can do hold wa instead of aaa but im just letting that go for the sake of dmg

[mortal jetty]

Well idk for you but my way is better for me even with s0 thelema

[eager smelt]

[spiral raven]

i'll just try both and then see how it goes ig

[eager smelt]

smh u dont trust me

[pale musk]

After Elysia ults at the end of Stellar Outburst, does DS and Kiana ELF leave you with the same AR Intensity? I thought Kiana ELF leaves you with less AR Intensity, which means it takes longer to do the second Stellar Outburst.

[spiral raven]

u never know, well idk

so i'll just try anyhow

[eager smelt]

if u do the same stuff in ring then u will end with the same amount too

but that doesnt matter because ur energy farming to max before ring cd

[mortal jetty]

Its not that i don't trust you....like I always there is definitely 356788 ways to do an opener you just need to find the way that work for you the best

[pale musk]

ok, thank you

[mortal jetty]

@thick aspen what is wrong here?

[thick aspen]

30 fps

[full trench]

i got 812 but this boss is so hard and i have no frames

[thick aspen]

nothing wrong just play faster

[mortal jetty]

Bruhh just how fast should I be? This was perfect run with thelema 0:05 ult top clock

[thick aspen]

top clock this top clock that

[mortal jetty]

What the shit is this nasty jump sec

[thick aspen]

no

[lapis raven]

hi paulene

[thick aspen]

what nasty you kill with 2nd ghost

you are supposed to be able to combo after that for kill with lower ranks

and still make the 3s

[thick aspen]

hi the whel of bottles

[mortal jetty]

After first rondo should I charge?

[thick aspen]

charge what

[mortal jetty]

Ely dive

[thick aspen]

the rot is ghost > autos > ghost > combo

you dont even do the combo you kill with the 2nd ghost

and still late

[mortal jetty]

Is it because of slow hand?

[thick aspen]

who knows

30 fps land

[eager smelt]

play potato resolution

[mortal jetty]

All ref are killing with seconds rondo tho

[thick aspen]

whales

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13vfHYiEKj/

[spiral raven]

there's a bilibili ref with s2 hohe

[thick aspen]

proper low rank ref

[spiral raven]

oh ye thats it

[full trench]

i'll try, usually going below 720p doesnt help for me

[thick aspen]

one day im gonna cheat engine this game just to see precise MA timer down to millisecond and not this bs 1 second drops

[mortal jetty]

Fps diff

When I do second rondo timer already 56

[thick aspen]

yea no shit

[mortal jetty]

Disgusting i am out

Last time it took me 3 hours for the kill I don't want to live the same nightmare again

[thick aspen]

yea but you see its not even hard run

he have time to use the combo

the 2s run is pretty tight

you kill with ghost > autos > ult

but need lot of dmg dmg

[mortal jetty]

Yeah the run is not hard i know...this is one of easiest run in MA ..but playing it at low fps feels like a nightmare

[thick aspen]

playing anything on low fps is nightmare

[mortal jetty]

Its the same shit as heimdall with luna hotr run

[thick aspen]

idk how you do it

[mortal jetty]

All those MA boss really want me to retire as well

Epernay is same shit

Jump sec during songque CA

At the end

MA this week is like 10 min play on good device

[thick aspen]

yup

thats about how much i spent

[mortal jetty]

So sad that there is no another 60fps MA malder in EU

[thick aspen]

what 60

you dont even have that

[mortal jetty]

I have

[thick aspen]

and theres like <10 people who even mald MA whats the chances more than one of them is playing on potato

[mortal jetty]

Last time I did something that teammate told me and I was able to play at 60fps since

[mortal jetty]

Yeah

We don't even have more than 15 peeps who really mald MA

[thick aspen]

what 15

i mean idk if someone mald with bad ranks but

never seen more than 5-10 people at top score

usually <5

[spiral raven]

must be lonely at the top

[mortal jetty]

There are also some s2 who mald for cap tho

S0+s2 peeps were are like less than 10 i can even count

[thick aspen]

what s2

op?

[mortal jetty]

S2 is still fine tho

[spiral raven]

s2 hohe?

o u mean in gneral?

[mortal jetty]

S2 valk

[lyric blaze]

are there any dks in exchange shop that aren’t in the bp shop?

[full trench]

no, oath of judah you wouldn't ever get from bp shop though

[zealous minnow]

VS Henmaru for who not have Iceteam, is better sushang leader or helia?

Disadvantage is for fire, but lightning?

[lyric blaze]

is nebulous the only good wep in exchange if i already got judah? (hos support for horb)

[vernal terrace]

PAWS,
Hellmaru has quite a thicc Phys shield

[zealous minnow]

Yep i see why mihoyo put sushang as leader here

[mortal jetty]

Hos weapon is also in exchange shop iirc

[lyric blaze]

oh i have that one already is neb not better than it?

[crude cloak]

Depends on the amount of rots you need to do and HoS's rank (cuz SS and SSS affect her SP)

Neb is better when you need multiple rots

iirc if you needed only 2 rots on SK you used DoS

[haughty rivet]

Is it worth pulling the new helia or wait for vita as someone who only has one part 2 character (returnee) 🙂‍↕️ i heard vita is flexible in a lot of teams but im not sure whos better for me rn and i like both so..

[crude cloak]

1. Which character do you alr have?
2. Vita's not recommended atp because she can't properly support GoI and future AR types
3. How many crystals do you have rn? From what we know Helia is not a high priority atp, it might be better to save for 8.4 and 8.5

We alr know what the 8.4 valk does, and she looks to be pretty valuable for now
We don't know anything about 8.5 strictly speaking, but 8.5 is anniversary, and anni stuff is usually very good (expensive as well though)

[haughty rivet]

1. Sparkle full gear
2. Around 35000 and my pity is like 69 for battlesuit supply, im not really planning on pulling for coralie

I could just save for 8.5 but im struggling a lot with abyss

[crude cloak]

ig you could go for Helia + weap if you insist on skipping Coralie, the issue is that she won't really help you short-term (Helia and Sparkle aren't compatible unless they're supporting another LoA valk)

How far are you into Part 1 story?

[haughty rivet]

Oh im caught up on the story for part 1 and 2 why?

[crude cloak]

Just assessing potential one-time crystals you have
Maybe you were slacking on Shallow Sequence in ER?

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[haughty rivet]

Ahh is that the mode where u train the characters for upgrades and crystals?

[crude cloak]

Yes

[haughty rivet]

Yeah im a little behind on that, i have loads of characters still not unlocked, only around 9 is done rn 😭

[crude cloak]

Was asking about chars that you own specifically, ofc you'll have a ton of them locked, most aren't easily obtainable
If there are a lot of these you should be fine to get Helia + weap imo, especially if you haven't done the discounted 10x yet

[crude cloak]

Unless you get extremely unlucky ig

I wouldn't spend more than ~20k in your case

[haughty rivet]

Okok, one more thing, i do actually hohe but just missing her new weapon so say i do get it in the future, would vita still be good for her?

[crude cloak]

Just make sure you don't end up with Helia being weapless

[haughty rivet]

Or shall i really just skip vita altogether

I dont have thelema sadly and most ppl said she might end up in the bp in the future since shes old now 🙂‍↕️

And im guessing thatll be a long time from now

[crude cloak]

Quite likely in 8.5

No info yet tho

[mortal jetty]

Nah its better to go for coralie instead of helia imo...

[crude cloak]

Vita is close to BiS for HoHE, it depends on your goals atp
If you wanna build HoHE for waifu reasons and don't care about meta that much, sure
Otherwise it would be best to skip both HoHE's weap and Vita

[crude cloak]

They said they're skipping Coralie

[mortal jetty]

Rip for the future then

[haughty rivet]

Stoppp 😭💔

[crude cloak]

But it does mean you would have to wait for Thele and pay up enough

You need both Thele and her weap after all

Unless we get a Thele replacement that can support HoHE ig
Quite unlikely tho

[haughty rivet]

Mhmm, ok actually one last question fr this time but could this potentially be vita’s last rerun? Since shes gonna older than 1 year 🙂‍↕️ ive never looked at rerun patterns before so idk

[crude cloak]

She should appear on the Carnival banner in either 8.5 or 8.7 too

[haughty rivet]

Carnival banner?

[crude cloak]

Multiple valks rotate during the duration of the banner (was 2 weeks long in the past iirc), each valk stays for a couple of days and appears twice

[haughty rivet]

Ahhh that

[crude cloak]

Doesn't share pity with the regular banners, but in both previous cases you got 20 free valk pulls

[crude cloak]

After that she shouldn't rerun in gacha though, ye

[crude cloak]

Actually, nvm, forgot about ADV

[haughty rivet]

Is that the supply for stamps or smth?

[crude cloak]

Yes

[haughty rivet]

I see i see

Ty for ur help 🙂‍↕️❤️

[crude cloak]

Actually, if you're willing to pay for BPs (and are set on getting HoHE built), maybe go for Sena instead? She's in BP rn

@haughty rivet

Sena is a bit better than Vita for HoHE

[haughty rivet]

Ahh yeah i do buy the bp but i dont have enough of those pink balls rn, when i do ill prob go for her

[crude cloak]

Knight or Pala?

Knight I assume?

[haughty rivet]

Pala, i like the avatar frames 😭

[crude cloak]

[haughty rivet]

What….

[crude cloak]

You only have 24 balls rn then I assume? Lemme check how much her weap costs rq

[haughty rivet]

About that heh…i wasnt here for when hohe was given out for free so i used the balls on her..

🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

It was back when i wasnt playing that often

So i didnt think id need a lot of investment into my acc

[crude cloak]

So the weap is out of the question then
Well, it's not that big of a deal in Sena's case ig

[dusky mantle]

Oh shit

Abyss

15 mins 4 stages lets goooo

[dusty dagger]

Handel

[dusky mantle]

SAFE

Sleep time

Paralyze assaka next huh

[spiral raven]

i sleep

[surreal stream]

Who is worth getting from this

[crude cloak]

None are good picks really, but the middle one is best

[rigid cedar]

okay i need help with this ref https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1A2u5zDEVK/?t=332
i'm trying to replicate it despite not having ala mb, using ogier b instead.
i managed to do 1s before, but i keep messing up because i'm somehow 1 doom behind the ref

i even manage to hit the PS wa last hit on the first phase 2 mob, but then shift deals too much damage and the mobs after die too fast and sparkle misses her skill

[spiral raven]

ur shift overklil ur saying?

[rigid cedar]

either too much or not enough dmg

[spiral raven]

ur hofi free right, can try this instead
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1NZG3z4EgW/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

u dont have the stigs tho, hofi on beet m and mei b

[rigid cedar]

but mei b wouldnt even trigger

oh you mean raiden mei b?

wait wrong vid

[rigid cedar]

this happens with that team comp

[spiral raven]

dr mei b gives team 15 tdm

[rigid cedar]

oh i definitely dont have that mei

[rigid cedar]

not only 1s'ing anyway, sparkle misses her weapon

hofi on sus overtime t, ogier b

since i can't do WA for moonrising

[formal wigeon]

they're dodging forward before spork wa

[spiral raven]

sparkle missing weap maybe ur too far, he did a dash

[formal wigeon]

to target the one behind

[rigid cedar]

oh

so she straight-up misses if I dont do that?

[formal wigeon]

seems like it

[spiral raven]

well u do seem quite far away

[rigid cedar]

missed sus ult

[spiral raven]

mlad

[rigid cedar]

but that forward dash is necessary

[spiral raven]

not surprising is it

[rigid cedar]

i thought her WA usually hits everything on-screen

[spiral raven]

[rigid cedar]

sparkle's that is

not ps

[rigid cedar]

i figured it out, just had to wait a tiny bit

another DS W i guess, still wish that was 0s

[formal wigeon]

imagine thinking Spork has something good going for her

[rigid cedar]

i mean she did and still has

there's still a lot of content where she can either be a viable option or is even BiS