also one thing, when playing with my friend will my skins i've downloaded make me unable to play with him?
#ror2-modding
cloud moss
warm hill
Is there a reason that they can't download them as well?
cloud moss
i mean they can i was just wondering because i don't want to force eveyone in my friend group to download the mods i use
warm hill
r2modman makes it simple to share your mod setup with friends, and even allows you to play vanilla.
cloud moss
gotcha guess ill just download that then, it goes in the plugins under Bepinex too right?
warm hill
It's a mod manager.
Instructions on how to install it are on its page, don't worry it is simple.
warm hill
I did before installing it, but I don't think it really matters. @mossy lagoon did it matter for you and your friends?
mossy lagoon
we never installed manually but yeah it would be a good idea to delete your old bepinex folder
cloud moss
Gotcha i've gotten it downloaded now, Can i only use the mods on the search tab then or can i just import mods from thunderstore?
mossy lagoon
you can click download with manager on thunderstore but yeah the online tab in r2mm is thunderstore
azure ginkgo
cloud moss
is there a trading mod that isn't sharesuite?
mossy lagoon
yeet
trail stag
Is rogue wisp on the weaker side as survivors go or am i just playing it wrong? Im stacking up the meter and using the ult for dps but when it comes to mobility, surviveability and even damage, it just feels like every single one of the base survivors are stronger
gray mulch
Thats intended. Very niche character for people who miss the good old days when arti wasn't "use jetpack and break enemy AI, the character"
trail stag
Good to know im not just playing it wrong them. Playing a weaker character was a good change of pace
gray mulch
they can be very strong later in runs though
Stronger enemies are worth a lot more juice, and there is no real cap on how much juice you can get. You can sometimes pull nonsense like dpsrace down gold titan laser.
(pre nerf gold titan laser I mean)
mossy lagoon
getting brainstalks and covering the whole map with big domes is also fun
because each one you place is bigger than the last
willow shoal
Does Vergil Mercenary work in multiplayer?
mossy lagoon
lol
hearty verge
is there a chef mod
warm hazel
@azure ginkgo What program are you using to make that model?
chilly glen
is there a chef mod
yes, not fully released yet though
I don't think it works in multiplayer either
reef yoke
and its not on Modman either
chilly glen
yes
worthy salmon
On a scale of 1 to 17.45, how hard is it to make a mod that adds a new character
gray mulch
24
Depends on your scope. If you just wanna get someone in who runs jumps shoots, and you have prior programming + unity experience then maybe 3-8 weeks, if you are going for depth then expect longer.
reef yoke
i know CHEF is a nightmare to program due to boomerang mechanics
gray mulch
Not really, rob just used a quick workaround that tricks the game, like 5 lines
Chef has other obstacles, like the R
and, you know, making the kit remotely interesting in 3d.
dreamy forge
^ the biggest difficulty with bringing back characters from ror
stark ibex
is there a way to get ror2 mods on the ps4?
mossy lagoon
nope
hollow bay
don’t think so
same goes for the other consoles
really wish I could play enforcer on switch 😔
neon kestrel
Does anyone have a good thing for mods that make the game more fun? @ me with the import code if you do. I’m bored and I wanna try out mods
daring kraken
d-drip paladin!?
nimble field
lmao
delicate beacon
so i'm trying mods for ror2 for the first time and i downloaded some i just don't know how to actually put the file in the game
mossy lagoon
use r2modman
delicate beacon
thanks @mossy lagoon
mossy lagoon
no problem :)
delicate beacon
wait i downloaded the paladin how do you actually unlock him?
is it the same as Merc?
grizzled bolt
you have to kill the twisted scavanger
delicate beacon
the obelisk boss right?
grizzled bolt
yes
delicate beacon
alright thanks
red citrus
what happens if sounds doesnt work for tracer mod?
red citrus
wait it only works if I have KingModUtilities with it, thats strange because it didnt say it requires it
swift briar
if you have mods are you still able to play multiplayer with someone who is vanilla? im only adding quality of life improvements
or are you able to switch to vanilla on command or do you have to uninstall everything
ionic trellis
At least the mod manager I have, you can boot up ROR2 normally or through the mod manager
teal yew
Does having the Better UI mod make it so you can't play multiplayer?
chilly glen
if you don't have unmoddedversion, you will be unable to play with vanilla players
teal yew
Aight, thank you. Mind linking me to said version?
teal yew
Thank ya.
azure ginkgo
tee hee
azure ginkgo
C: thank you!
jade prairie
What are the more popular mods for RoR2? Is it characters, levels, items?
rare elk
how does one modify item stats?
Cause i wanna remove that 100 hp cap on the infusion, just like in the old ROR1
There was a mod for it, but sadly its outdated and doesnt work anymore :c
jade prairie
nice horus pfp
Thankies, I main him when I play joust with my group. Should be streaming some ranked tonight.
ionic trellis
The quality of survivor mods in ROR2 is crazy, I love em
mossy lagoon
a ton of work goes into them yeah they're really good
azure ginkgo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755273690131988522/795712932389847060/unknown.png?width=400&height=676
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755273690131988522/795712983249584138/unknown.png?width=427&height=676
heehee
mossy lagoon
so sick
azure ginkgo
Paragon
dreamy forge
How coincidental, for I am also a paragon
raven juniper
does anybody know how to get reshade to recognize the depth buffer in game so i can use DOF shaders?
ionic mango
me and my friend are having some issues where modded survivors won't show up only in multiplayer
we have the same profiles, I'm using Tristana mod and she's invisible but her abilities all work
same thing happens with a few other mods as well, but not all of them
mossy lagoon
does anybody know how to get reshade to recognize the depth buffer in game so i ...
try asking in the modding discord in pins
ionic mango
ty
fathom nest
is betterui a clientside mod?
mossy lagoon
yes
fathom nest
why can't i join multiplayer with it?
mossy lagoon
do you have unmoddedversion?
fathom nest
wait what
mossy lagoon
if not then you have a different build id than vanilla
it's just another mod
it changes your build id to vanilla so you can join multiplayer
fathom nest
oh its a mod
mossy lagoon
yes
fathom nest
thanks
mossy lagoon
no problem
vale widget
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755273690131988522/795712932389847060/u...
The armor reminds me of the armor from Dead Space, I think it might just be the glowy back part.
azure ginkgo
Dead space was 100% one of the inspos ❤️
vale widget
Dead space was 100% one of the inspos ❤️
Maybe an isaac clarke alternate skin? 👀
azure ginkgo
mayhaps 👀
vale widget
based
lean summit
What's the paragon's playstyle supposed to be? He looks cool and i'd love to see him playable
sacred schooner
He has a scimitar, so I'm thinking he might be a paragon pirate of sorts.
azure ginkgo
update: fully rigged
his playstyle is like, very "im going to murder you now and you have no say in the matter"
primal crypt
Loader already has that on lock
azure ginkgo
his passive, wrath, causes him to become "emblazoned" after killing enemies and hitting bosses a certain amount, which makes him hit hella hard for a bit once the meter is full
(which encourages staying in combat for long periods of time instead of going out of combat, because he'd lose his bonuses)
grizzled bolt
I like it
reef yoke
his playstyle is like, very "im going to murder you now and you have no say in t...
what mod will this be and why do i want it
azure ginkgo
i have no fucking idea yet LOL
still looking for a coder atm, if not i will painstakingly code it myself
young dock
It do be Chef
velvet palm
can i get a medium rare ?
main snow
hello, quick question, are there updated mods that would allow vanilla players to join without downloading anything?
also, is there an updated version of the 16 player mod?
prisma oracle
TooManyFriends still works for the current version
prisma oracle
I wouldn't entirely recommend doing it tbh
heard there were a lot of issues you could run into
mossy lagoon
yep it's better to just have everyone get the mods
vivid escarp
We need mod support for xbox one user to use ror2 mods
mossy lagoon
not really possible unfortunately
gray mulch
Xbox is vaguely possible but requires someone to rewrite the unity build pipeline for it. Good luck lol
jade prairie
@nova veldt
nova veldt
im boutta commit another warcrime
spare veldt
lol this is brutal
says rob is making my mod and also calls it boring
cleavers have a weird quirk if you use the existing boomerang code. If you write it yourself / copy paste it theres no problem. The math isn't that bad
Skill swapping with the R isn't that bad either
most difficult part to implement by far is the oil trails
stable skiff
grizzled bolt
sadge
jade prairie
Big sad
serene dagger
What’s the name for star storm 2
grizzled bolt
you can only download it in the starstorm server
grizzled bolt
I'm not in the starstorm server, but it's pinned in the ror2 modding server if I'm not wrong
serene dagger
Where?
grizzled bolt
here
serene dagger
Where what channel on the ror2mod
grizzled bolt
I don't know I'm not in there
prisma oracle
if you're in the server this link should take you to the message
#691829410487205918 message
also I've heard the "you can't make the kit interesting" argument so many times lol
and basically every time its been proven wrong
gray mulch
I mean rob messaged me when he figured out solution lol
mossy lagoon
i want to tuch it
pulsar portal
Anyone familiar with this issue
When I spawn I am rooted with all of these effects stacked on me
https://thunderstore.io/package/Nitrolink/De_Modpack/
Using this modpack
gray mulch
Should ask the person who made the pack, since they were kind enough to include zero info in the readme
pulsar portal
Sadly it's happened with a couple of packs now
gray mulch
So basically, if the pack is uploaded and says "for my friends" ignore it. Its not a pack, its just a person too lazy to find export codes in r2modman
pulsar portal
haha that's literally my favorite feature in r2modman
mossy lagoon
you are trying to play syzygy difficulty without having it unlocked
youll have to restart your game bc theres a bug where those debuffs dont get unhooked and will apply to other difficulties
modern crane
any one know the "joystickbutton" layout for the xbox one controller? im trying to put switch turret command for badass engi on the D-pad
note: r-bumper is joystick button 5
ight after some brute force and cross referencing, i found the layout and a handy chart
inland flare
In the future, you might be able to go to the joystick menu in Windows and find that out
azure ginkgo
white olive
🙀
azure ginkgo
Conquerer is also a really good name
the current name idea is paragon but conquerer is definitely getting written in my doc for him
azure ginkgo
perhaps
ionic trellis
Enforcer, Bandit, Sniper, Miner, am I missing any other interesting characters? I know there's things like Goku and League characters, but I like the ones that fit RoR.
chilly glen
han-d
mossy lagoon
yes
also yes paladin is good
rogue wisp is pretty good
admiral and artificerextended to spice up captain and arti
languid dune
Hi im kind of new to this game but im trying to download a dps meter. It says to enable it in the configs what does that mean
wise ferry
@languid dune BepInEx/config folder
languid dune
thank yo
rain gyro
Sick kit, sick visuals , The Sentinel is another suggestion that might work for your character since it hits that theme really nicely
azure ginkgo
c:
reef yoke
@supple girder first of all, advertising your channel unless its only ror2 content outside of #ror-streams-and-videos is banned
second, no
so if it does not fit the criteria i just described, you better delete it
the first thing, not the 2nd
huh, seems like he left
<@&559786374228738069> above user advertised but already left the server, can the message be deleted
steady elbowBOT
BradySav#0855 was banned
hasty robin
I got a 3D printer a bit ago and i want to print a interstellar desk plant. Does anyone know where you could find the 3D model for it in the game files? I thought you guys would probably know about this stuff.
hasty robin
ok thx
neon ocean
Paladin?
Paladin is amazing
So is sniper
Rogue wisp is neat
Honestly, twitch (the lol char) is also amazing. Though I saw you prefer ones that fit into ror
reef yoke
he is cool but not for me sadly
i dont like how he plays
but i do respect the effort they put into him
his kit is complete and feels good to play
ionic trellis
I'm sure the league champions really work in RoR, but yeah, I kinda like things fitting the art style
rugged hinge
what if it has errors itself
spark saffron
their a way to kill your drones or to stop them from shooting
chilly glen
mired urn
spark saffron
it will kill the drone
chilly glen
yes
spark saffron
or is their a consol command to kill them
spark saffron
anyone have these before
gray mulch
Which one?
gray mulch
Those info logs are just info
Drop chance is vanilla when sacrifice is on, presumably they forgot to disable the debugging. The spawn card failing to spawn means that you were not in a position where the director could find a good spot for it to spawn, tp back is jumping off a cliff, OSP triggered may be vanilla, or it may be a log I forgot in genfixes. I don't remember atm. Memory used is just routine logging to keep track.
Now, the amount of memory used there, is like 5x higher than it should ever be.
But I don't personally play with more than 2-3 mods so I really don't know if thats a typical number
spark saffron
what about a fov slash zooming out bug think its a mod?
kinda a problem haha
even farther\
gray mulch
Almost definitely a mod. Gonna be a nightmare to find though, good luck
ionic trellis
Hmmm... I don't think any base character weapons have any kickback, right? Feeling a bit off when playing Bandit how much every shot on him kicks back the aim.
Maybe Huntress ballista does
Wait, Commando does too. Huh, haven't played enough.
mossy lagoon
recoil?
ionic trellis
Yeah
mossy lagoon
never noticed it on bandit
ionic trellis
Yeah, I'll chalk it up on not playing the game for a while now
idle grove
I've noticed when I was just holding the attack button down as Acrid that he has something like that. The camera shakes a little bit. It's basically impossible to notice while actually playing, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised to hear other characters have weird little things like that. Pretty sure I remember ballista having it.
deep totem
Isn't there away to still play vanilla normally and have the show stats mod? if so can someone show me?
reef yoke
unmodded is wack
azure ginkgo
I need some help, design-wise.
I don't know if I want Paragon/Conqueror/Whatever his name will be to use one or two swords now.
React with ⚔️ if you think two swords.
React with 🗡️ if you think one sword.
stable skiff
I feel like two swords make more sense if he's named Conqueror and one sword if he's named Paragon
mossy lagoon
paragon is cooler
ionic trellis
sword and boardddddd where
reef yoke
i honestly would like to see two swords cus no mod has that yet
outside of miner if we count him, but he has pickaxes
stable skiff
i count him because he rocks but yknow whatever
ionic trellis
Bandit is in original game files, right? Will be interesting to compare to the mod if he is officially finished
acoustic raft
what about a fov slash zooming out bug think its a mod?
Do you have sizemanagerplus installed by any chance?
mossy lagoon
thought that was fixed
unreal burrow
you can now air strafe out of a charged loader punch
nimble field
yessssss finally
mossy lagoon
haven't tried the mod yet how easy is it to do
mossy lagoon
wow nice
unreal burrow
mossy lagoon
unreal burrow
this is the perfect joke
spark saffron
anyone use a bigger bazzar mod
unreal burrow
anyone use a bigger bazzar mod
i am
spark saffron
which one would u say is the best
jade prairie
Someone make a mod that adds a new survivor that does nothing but literally grab the enemies and throw them like eggs
unreal burrow
really good config
and has features that allow you to save your money at the end of a stage, then buy overpriced items in the bazzar
slim stone
i mean it just overall makes the bazaar feel more alive and worth to take
but runs can snowball way too easy into a god run
just imagine getting 3 tri tips or 3 glasses in a shop
or even atgs or ukeleles
mossy linden
holy crap where do people find these types of mods
spark saffron
anyone running a modded run currently
spark saffron
just was havving an issue of characters zomming out to a higher exsistance of feild of view
slim stone
can u name them ?
mossy lagoon
it makes the game fun
eh I used to play with it and even nerfing it un the config still made the game way easier
spark saffron
in vc4 if u want to join
mossy lagoon
its just free items
slim stone
i mean im not home rn
spark saffron
ahh k
slim stone
im out so i cant really chat
unreal burrow
@slim stone see what i did was make it so the bazzar has some nasty costs, and you can only take one of each item
slim stone
yeah its not bad im having a blast with it
unreal burrow
really good for coop btw
if one player falls behind in items they will be up in cash
then they can grab an extra in the bazzar
but no one else will have the spare change to do so
reef yoke
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/218946000843309056/796400327518715915/spe...
bouncemando
plush nimbus
he's here
safe seal
no
pale prairie
drip vegeta when ?
jade prairie
@Ping Receiver
Goku
2.9.0
- Added Drip Goku Skin (im sorry) (thanks to Bruh/Rob)```
analog zodiac
How is the scaling on the moreplayers mod?
west quarry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744765490521571390/796364607244730368/unk...
What’s the mod I need it
chilly glen
goku mod
jade prairie
There is also Vegeta and Trunks mod
and if you play as one of the characters with another you can do a combination attack, though only once per stage
azure ginkgo
ionic trellis
I just unlocked the Miner and what is this gremlin walk towards GOOOOOLD
mossy lagoon
I just unlocked the Miner and **what is this gremlin walk towards GOOOOOLD**
press 3
ionic trellis
BLAM HAH
mossy lagoon
ionic trellis
These mods are great, such amazing work by people
Even when RoR2 didn't launch with workshop and all that stuff
chilly glen
yes
mossy lagoon
yeah bepin makes unity modding super straightforward
at least for the end user
and an insane amount of time was put into the api over the last year and a half
ionic trellis
Yeah, seems like a lot of the difficulties of actually implementing your stuff into the game has been smoothen'd by dedicated modders
@azure ginkgo lookin' super snazzy slashy boy with the 1000-degree kitchen knife
ionic trellis
How long have you been working on that?
Modding stuff into games is fun, I mean... I've only done stuff for Tabletop Simulator, but RoR2 seems alluring, just needs time to learn the stuffs
reef yoke
weak
ionic trellis
miner is my new favorite gremlin
grizzled bolt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380106335913508884/796452701302554654/unk...
"You're weak"
"I'm you"
mossy lagoon
he's just spotting his bro doing push-ups
ionic trellis
"Nice work bro, lift up bro. I got'chu bro."
boreal cape
Does anyone by any chance know how to fix the issue of void field items not dropping while using the SivsItems mod?
worthy rune
Does anyone know a mod that lets my friends join my modded lobby and sync my mods with them?
bcs i saw that SteamBuildID was outdated
mossy lagoon
Does anyone by any chance know how to fix the issue of void field items not drop...
wait for an update, he's aware of it
mossy lagoon
Does anyone know a mod that lets my friends join my modded lobby and sync my mod...
unmoddedversion
but be aware that it doesn't "sync your mods"
it'll only work if you're using server sided mods like sharesuite or one of moffeins little tweaks. custom characters and items won't work
torn dock
ionic trellis
i'm honestly having too much fun as gremlin miner
ionic trellis
So attack speed-wise, is he much harder hitting, but slower compared to the Merc?
And can I force throw my opponents and choke them? 
azure ginkgo
pff
uhhh
his playstyle is like
he kites and sort of fucks around with enemies bit by bit to build his rage meter, and then when his rage meter is full he goes beast mode for a few seconds
stable skiff
I love Miner's taunt bound to 3
the fact it can kill other players is the BEST thing
the amount of times I've almost made my friends lose in the bazaar is too many
pale prairie
wait you can taunt kill with miner? xd
mossy lagoon
LOL it's hilarious
stable skiff
I only learned this when I was showing the taunt to a friend at the start of a run and murdered each other
it's so beautiful
ionic trellis
also I found out the enforcer 3 run and i'm sold
pale prairie
i'll use that against my unsuspecting friends
chilly glen
enforcer is fun
pale prairie
rob makes good mods yes
chilly glen
you can shield bash other players
pale prairie
yeet them out of the map
ionic trellis
then default dance for good measure
pale prairie
default dance after every monster kill to establish dominance
chilly glen
yes
ionic trellis
Gotta say, I appreciate that they've taken the time for the items to appear on the character, do you have to place each one specifically in a location or?
Or do items follow a bodypart system or something
gray mulch
Each gets placed individually, through pure text. There is no easy way. Generally takes a few hours at best.
ionic trellis
Thought so, since some placement is very specific like Acrid eating the steak vs. Mercenary CHESTPLATE
gray mulch
Personally I dislike the items displaying, makes the model look as cluttered as the gameplay starts to feel when you have 200 passive effects.
ionic trellis
I like the craziness of it and messy look, but I get your side
nimble field
sillyitems
chilly glen
yes
ionic trellis
"y-y-you know that 9 glasses is enough?" "more."
nimble field
hyperbleed when
abstract valley
Cause i wanna remove that 100 hp cap on the infusion, just like in the old ROR1
kinda late but my mod lets you do this if you change the configs to have no limits https://thunderstore.io/package/Windows10CE/ScalableInfusion/
warm hill
"y-y-you know that 9 glasses is enough?" **"more."**
Yeah, placing the Item Displays in Aetherium took most of my development time.
acoustic raft
I know this is a long shot, but do you think there would be any roundabout way too add a tier above red into a modpack?
I am somewhat thinking of something similar to champions items, from champions rung
warm hill
It's a long tedious task of placing a rule, then going ingame to adjust it till it looks good, and copying the values back over.
gray mulch
Yes its possible. Anything is possible. We could rewrite the entire game and make it boot tetris instead if we wanted.
mossy lagoon
unity
ionic trellis
can risk of rain 2 run doom
acoustic raft
well not to write a mod to do it
I know that is possible
I am talking about using the mods available
gray mulch
Ah, no
mossy lagoon
can risk of rain 2 run doom
put it on the little laptop by the artifact portal
acoustic raft
very sad
I guess I might just have to remove some items then, I dont know any other way around it
stuff like tesla
gray mulch
Its something I have looked at for an api feature, but I haven't investigated far enough to make a decision on if it is reasonable to implement
hasty temple
heya, I figured that it'd be best to ask here if anyone knows any mods that adds to the difficulty of Syzygy while keeping the game as vanilla as possible '.' looking for a challenge
mossy lagoon
aspect abilities
hasty temple
aspect abilities
wdym by aspect abilities? O.o you mean the name of the mod?
mossy lagoon
yeah
mossy lagoon
:)
hasty temple
... yah uhm, I'm never gonna loop ever again lol
mossy lagoon
it's not that bad actually
I don't play it on syzygy but I play it on diluv
the fire shit kills me the most because I get complacent lol
but they only seek for less than a second
hasty temple
after I loop, you get none stop elites D:
and hum, they are scary
combining eclipse 8 with diluvian is a bit rough.. especially if you're gonna get hit a lot
makes the saying ''just don't get hit lol'' much more present
which how are you supposed to deal with all that xD
and hold on, I didn't even read this one
???? you're telling me they're gonna crit me, then runalds band + crowbar my butt???
mossy lagoon
don't get hit
hasty temple
nice
mossy lagoon
also no they inherit the items from their master
hasty temple
O.o
mossy lagoon
so it only will do anything on evolution or void fields
but if you ever get an aspect drop you also will get these abilities
hasty temple
you lost me there sadly
mossy lagoon
also mobilevagrants, titanbuff, clay_men, ancientwisp are all good too
mossy lagoon
you lost me there sadly
wym?
hasty temple
as in, I have no clue what yo meant by they do anything on evolution
mossy lagoon
the artifact
mossy lagoon
artifact of evolution let's monsters gain items every stage
hasty temple
never played with it ;o
mossy lagoon
ah gotcha it's fun
similar to void fields that's the only time enemies will get items
hasty temple
hummm, I like having to not face Syringe, red whip, energy drink, crowbar, runalds band, dios jellyfishes 🙂
mossy lagoon
lol yeah
all I'm saying is that the malachite urchin will only inherit the items from the enemy that spawned it
hasty temple
I see
mossy lagoon
also elite enemies have a 1/4000 chance to drop their aspect on death
mossy lagoon
it gives the player their elite affect and, with this mod, their active
nice yeah they're rare
hasty temple
got the overloading one in a prismatic run, which was kinda awesome
mossy lagoon
yooo that's nuts
hasty temple
yep, was fun :3 and oh boy
that would be the nuts if they drop their aspect
would you recommend the Hailstorm mod or not really
hasty temple
D;
dang. because I was thinking about doing an Elite Syzygy ''Vanilla'' run with no artifacts
mossy lagoon
yeah the elites are cool
tidal wedge
Hey there - I'm considering getting into doing some character modding - is there an easy way to get model files or do you pretty much have to make them from scratch?
mossy lagoon
you can rip them from other games if you want
gray mulch
I mean, you can rip them if you don't care about copyright lol.
gray mulch
I mean I care lol? Hard to use someone elses work as portfolio.
mossy lagoon
oh well yeah lol none of that's gonna go in a portfolio
those skins are just for fun
still you have much more freedom making your own
also original stuff is always more interesting
gray mulch
Tbh though, there is a very long running trend of people making models and then sitting around waiting for a coder on modding discord, if you're able to do code side then that may be the best place to start
There are probs 20+ models just sitting there waiting if you look
quiet hare
Anyone know a mod that make more space in the loadout menu for skins i cant see but have installed?
jade prairie
scrollable lobby
mossy lagoon
scrollablelobbyui
jade prairie
that
west quarry
this goku mod is really fun, the page for the actual mod though is down and i wanna ask some questions about it on discord but i cant 
mossy lagoon
thunderstore down :(
west quarry
damn
gilded abyss
How can I play with my freind when I have mods and they don’t
west quarry
yeah i was gonna ask that, if i have a mod on and they dont how can i play prismatic trials or play with my friends, it would be really annoying if i had to completely take the mod off
chilly glen
you can't do prismatic trials if you have mods
and playing with friends, depending on what mods you have, you can use unmoddedversion, but it's better to just get your friends to install the same mods as you
gilded abyss
Thank you this help
idle grove
Well the launch vanilla button's a bit pointless since launching it from Steam launches vanilla, too. Unless there's some way to open r2modman instead when you start the game through Steam like Terraria used to do.
simple quest
Just add the mod manager to your steam library and launch that instead
wise ferry
Well the launch vanilla button's a bit pointless since launching it from Steam l...
Not entirely, start vanilla also disables any manual install you might have too
It’s also not really pointless because not everyone will know that it doesn’t affect their normal game
acoustic raft
that looks really nice
oh speaking of the ice ability, I noticed in one of the older patches that it still drains your health even if the curse is not replacing any of your hp (you are not at full hp)
so if you start at 50% hp, and lose 50% of your max hp to the curse, then you will end up at 1 hp
perhaps you have already changed that, but if not I feel like it should perhaps only damage you if the curse is cutting into your current health
maybe
although I will say that having it that way makes it feel like the threat of the curse comes not from the hp reduction, but moreso from the % hp damage
ionic trellis
so you're saying if I'm more into making a character work, there's a model ready for me :^)
vivid escarp
Is thunderstore.io working i keep getting 502 errors
ionic trellis
Down most likely
jade prairie
I lowkey wanted to mod my OC into this game or at the very least give the dev's the OK to have him in the game as a playable character with nothing but recognition of @ TheArtGun for the model and for me to live my dream of playing a character I drempt up since middle school. With no incentive of money. I just want to play as him even if he is a shadow double of Swordman in the game.
slim onyx
The Thunderstore is still down
dusty juniper
I think so
Im trying to get into modding RoR2 rn because I recently got it and the odds are when I want to start its down
silent arrow
ok so its not just me that can't reach the thunderstore?
acoustic raft
thunderstore decided to commit die
arctic heart
Ok so I need some help moding I’ve downloaded mod man and the 1 thing in the file is missing and if I try manually i can’t find the proper API and I’ve tried each API I could find I’ve re downloaded and restarted it just sucks pls dm me or ping me if u can somehow help me
Just so u know I might not get back to you instantly
mossy lagoon
thunderstore is down right now try again tomorrow probably
elfin adder
whats up with r2modman?
mossy lagoon
thunderstore is down right now try again tomorrow probably
^^
lilac needle
Is there any way to mod it on xbox one
acoustic raft
not really
elfin adder
god thunderstone is still down
devout yoke
@pure hamlet is that allowed?
dreamy forge
?
acoustic raft
there was a questionable message that has since been deleted
crisp jolt
How do you unlock the third Paladin skin? It says "As Paladin, form a bond with a goddess of corruption" wtf does that mean
crisp jolt
cool ty
Would anybody be able to instruct me/point me towards how I could edit characters? I love the enforcer but I think his weapons are very underpowered; I love paladin but I think he is overpowered, etc.
I wanna learn how to tune them myself
acoustic raft
Some character mods give you the option to edit their configs through modman
Such as enforcer
Some do not have configs however
crisp jolt
Could you elaborate on that?
Clicking on enforcer in modman what should I be looking for?
acoustic raft
Do you see the option to edit configs in modman?
You will have had to have launched the enforcer mod once on the current profile for it to show up in the list of configs
acoustic raft
It is not an option under the mod
Should be a whole separate view you can access by clicking a configure mods button on the left side
Near the help button iirc
crisp jolt
Oh dope thank you
Would you know where I could find these values for base characters so I know the baselines for what I'm toying with? Like Weapon range and spread, for example
Also how would I go about changing these stats for characters that don't have an editable config using the mod manager? Bandit and Enforcer have it so that's easy but Paladin does not
sinful badge
contact the developer to give them feedback
crisp jolt
Doesn't really answer my question. Can I edit them myself?
sinful badge
if theres no config, no
nimble field
https://thunderstore.io/package/wellme/Mint_tea/
is the person that made this on this server?
would it be possible to make jump bindable to three different keys? (both scroll wheels and space)
unreal burrow
@nimble field doesnt seem so
ive tried searching for wellme
also like
its autohop, you dont need multibinds
nimble field
oh
mossy lagoon
that mod still works fine but ItemTweaks is the new version
it's got some other configurable stuff too @crisp jolt
crisp jolt
Does the Degredated tag not mean that the mod is outdated/doesn't work? If not, what does it mean, exactly?
mossy lagoon
it could mean a variety of things including those
it could also mean that it's no longer being maintained and the author doesn't want people to expect support or in this case it means it's redundant with the authors new mod
basically just means the author doesn't want it public or want players to expect support on it
dense trout
is the person that made this on this server?
Make an issue on their github https://github.com/wellme/Mint-tea
gray birch
Does anyone know if adding a music mod will make you unable to play with other people if they dont have it?
acoustic raft
sadly I am pretty sure it is not client side, so everyone will need to have it
but not 100% sure on that one, you can try I guess
ancient thistle
ayo lads any mods you would recommend?
acoustic raft
there are tons of good mods, what are you looking for?
acoustic raft
bandit
miner
paladin
clay templar
enforcer
sniper
rogue wisp
ancient thistle
bandit is off the list for me since he's gonna be next official one anyways, and im interested to see how the devs implement him instead
acoustic raft
han-d
chilly glen
chef
ionic trellis
Do mods interfere with Eclipse? Finished a run with Acrid, still at Eclipse 1.
chilly glen
Pretty sure, yeah
ionic trellis
All right, no big loss though. I hadn't finished a Monsoon run on the puppy so getting that mastery was still nice.
gray mulch
Sniper does not break eclipse in next version
Although i think cause is actually r2api
ancient thistle
i wonder how bad im gonna fuck up my game trying to install mods lmao
reef yoke
not at all actually
chilly glen
when will our lord and savior grace the planet
There's a playable chef that exists
reef yoke
r2modman hasnt caused me any issues, at least
reef yoke
There's a playable chef that exists
yes but on modman
ancient thistle
ok, my brain
VERY tiny. you doubt my ability to fuck up games
chilly glen
Doesn't work in multiplayer at all though
jade prairie
ok, my brain
VERY tiny. you doubt my ability to fuck up games
use r2modman, fixes a lot of problems when installing
ancient thistle
i have no idea what that is but ill check it out
literally never used mods on this game before
mossy lagoon
Do mods interfere with Eclipse? Finished a run with Acrid, still at Eclipse 1.
current version of sniper causes this bug, fixed in upcoming version
ionic trellis
I see I see
gray mulch
Its actually r2api being broken and interfering that causes
reef yoke
i have no idea what that is but ill check it out
its a mod manager that we didnt deserve but our lord and savior Ebkr made it anyway
you can find it on the thunderstore page, link is in the pins
ancient thistle
blazing leaf
i just installed some mods but now my risk of rain 2 refuses to actually play after the character selection
i don't understand what i've done wrong
reef yoke
which mods did you install?
blazing leaf
r2api and some mod thing for a cheatsheet 😳
reef yoke
and bepinex right?
blazing leaf
yeah i have bepinex
reef yoke
its probably the cheatsheet mod not being up to date if i had to guess
ancient thistle
cheatsheet mod?
blazing leaf
it was like ror2 cheats or something
but basically im just gonna browse #ror2-tech-support because i assume this is common
acoustic raft
are you using r2modman
blazing leaf
no
the only mods ive kept because i've used these before the problems happened were uh
multitudes, item stats and empty chests be gone(?)
blazing leaf
oka
with r2modman do i have to reinstall all my other mods including bepinex and r2api?
jade prairie
yes
blazing leaf
:(
jade prairie
in fact, delete any that you have put into the game itself...
it's not hard to add them
blazing leaf
true but it just feels weird
its not what i was shown so i feel like its super easy to mess up
jade prairie
if you changed any configs, make a copy and replace the ones in the profile
blazing leaf
wait so if i have to delete all my other mods so that r2modman can do it for me, does that include bepinex?
as well as r2api but it gets deleted with bepinex either way
acoustic raft
yes just restart and use modman instead
blazing leaf
waaagh
acoustic raft
it is like infinitely better
blazing leaf
um
so i delete bepinex, doorstop(?) and then theres another it hink
im not good at this
jade prairie
delete EVERYTHING you added to the risk of rain 2 folder
r2modman handles everything better
blazing leaf
yeah but idk which files bepinex tossed in
i remember it threw in the bepinex folder itself and doorstep config but idk the last file since i remember 3
i think it was like winhttp or something but not sure
jade prairie
honestly, could just delete the whole folder and verify files, though that takes a while
blazing leaf
idk how to do that
jade prairie
right click on the game in steam
go to properties and then local files
there is a button that says "verify integrity of game files"
it looks through what files it knows the game should have and replaces the ones that aren't there
acoustic raft
are there any mods out there I could use to perhaps nerf spiked grapple/buff default grapple a bit without changing their cooldowns?
ionic trellis
Has there ever been a mod that adds a Restart - button in pause menu? 😄
mossy lagoon
Its actually r2api being broken and interfering that causes
still always gotta blame rein 😎
ancient thistle
honestly that should just be a base feature in the game imo @ionic trellis
would be especially useful for multiplayer with friends and nobody wants to change survivors
astral turtle
it's time for my reign of terror
ancient thistle
oh no
hidden elk
Hello! I've just started ROR2 and am really enjoying it. I followed a tutorial and successfully enabled mods. However, a terminal appears that stays open while the game runs and while not impacting gameplay, was showing lots of errors and a bit bothersome to have open. It also didn't allow me to play on a 4:3 stretched resolution.
Does anyone know of a way to have the terminal not be open while the game runs? And any way to play on a stretched res with mods enabled? No worries if no, I appreciate any help I can get. This community seems very helpful and wholesome.
jade prairie
you can just minimize the console
a lot of those errors are vanilla or don't cause any problems
don't know what to say about the resolution
mossy lagoon
Hello! I've just started ROR2 and am really enjoying it. I followed a tutorial a...
check the bepinex config, you can disable the console
heady pecan
will adding mods get me banned ?
mossy lagoon
no
heady pecan
thanks
mossy lagoon
resolution thing should be fine though
hidden elk
@mossy lagoon @jade prairie Thank you! Appreciate the help, was surprisingly quick!
jade prairie
mossy lagoon
silent arrow
Hey so I've got a question about R2modman
How do I find the code for a modpack I made if I want to quickly let my friend Import the same mods?
I can't seem to find it anywhere
acoustic raft
go to settings -> profile -> export profile as code
jade prairie
or put "code" into the searchbar
formal osprey
Hi guys, im playing with a friend of mine with mods on (including sharesuite). When I play with him, we have not seen 1 scrapper though when I play by myself (with the same mods), I see them regularly. Any ideas on why?
We even tried the BazaarExpand mod for a scrapper to show up in the bazaar though the scrapper doesnt show any items in there anyways.
chilly glen
Baesd
silent arrow
@acoustic raft @jade prairie thank you!
jade prairie
ancient thistle
based
acoustic raft
aspects should be balanced around the monsters
😔
if you did that then perhaps rather than making the crystals indestructible once placed you could give them health decay
I know that they will still go away when other crystals are placed and the cap is reach but
ya
mossy lagoon
please dont make them invincible theyre already the hardest thing to deal with 
theyre already pretty tanky
at least on monsoon/diluv
sweet river
The game keeps crashing when i try to load Goku idk whats up
ocean dove
Ok, so I need some help locating a mod that tells you the more in detail descriptions of items.
warm hill
BetterUI
Pretty sure ItemStatsMod does it too, but BetterUI has been the more popular option nowadays
ocean dove
I have no clue how to work mods so I hope I don't get 50 viruses
warm hill
There's like one on the store that reports being one but is a false positive due to the name of it internally (Miner)
but I haven't ran into any viruses so far on mods
Use R2ModMan instead of manually installing all of them though
You'll thank yourself later.
sacred vigil
what mods do you recommend
jade prairie
Pretty sure ItemStatsMod does it too, but BetterUI has been the more popular opt...
use both betterui and itemstatsmod together
crisp jolt
I don't have the Direseeker mod but I still get the direseeker in my runs, could anybody tell me which of these mods is adding that in?
Also for reference, I never did have the Direseeker mod, so no idea why I'm getting it
acoustic raft
Miner mod
crisp jolt
Is there anyway for me to disable that?
acoustic raft
There might be an option in the config
verbal trail
Someone knows a mod that allowes you to play with friends but they dont need to install the mods?
lament pawn
unmoddedversion is the one you're looking for. But be aware that some mods don't work on client side if you use it.
crisp jolt
So question about the Miner Direseeker
From what I understand, you're supposed to be able to spawn it like the AWU and that's part of an unlock for miner
But for us it's just spawning on the stage like a normal mob
Would disabling the Direseeker in the config make that skin undoable or have I misunderstood something
acoustic raft
If you have the separate direseeker mod it will spawn as a boss similar to AWU, but if you just have the miner mod it will be added to the normal boss pool
terse pilot
Am i the only one who doesn't understand G-N-O-M-E's debugging secret for the miner skin?
mossy lagoon
press g n o m and e on your keyboard at the same time in game
pearl viper
Shhhhhh, it's a secret
split lantern
anyone know what mod is causing the alloy worship unit to continuously shield when at low health?
Is it cuz of custom difficulty scaling?
mossy lagoon
that is vanilla
split lantern
no when i mod, the stupid thing does the shield literally a millisecond after its attack
it keeps resetting the shield attack basically
mossy lagoon
something is giving it a lot of CDR
pearl viper
I would say you maybe weren't doing enough to reach its health before it regenerates it automatically. Either that or the osp from the sheild improvement mod is applying to the thing for some reason
mossy lagoon
probably one of the flood warning difficulty spike modifiers
split lantern
dilluvian but I never had this problem before in the past
pearl viper
Any depricated mods active?
mossy lagoon
it doesn't do that on diluv for me
gray mulch
List all the mods if you can
split lantern
kk
pearl viper
Imma check it out and see if its consistent
split lantern
it's only 72 mods, a lot of them are dependancies if u want me to send the code instead
mossy lagoon
If you use r2modman go to settings>modpack>show dependencies strings
split lantern
k
gray mulch
only
split lantern
well some ppl are 100+ lol
gray mulch
Im at 3
pearl viper
I have 77 but most should be similar and rest are extra characters
gray mulch
Well, the standard approach is to turn off half the mods, and see if that fixes. If it fixes, then the problem was somewhere in that half, if not its in the other half. Then you turn of half of the half where problem is and repeat
split lantern
mine's pretty tame and so far ppl love it. I'm basically trying to make a balanced version of Diluvian : Able to make your own build but gets very tough later on. Fast paced and fluid, won't feel too out of place from Vanilla."
pearl viper
How far into the run were you?
split lantern
im new and retarded when it comes to modding. I'm making my own modpack using r2modman configs lmao
first loop. I talked to bread and I think I may have found the potential issue
this might be the problem. I'll put the value back to 1 and try again.
All the bosses work fine with higher health, but Alloy Worship Unit might be somehow scaling -> causing a near endless Shield attack loop
for all bosses i noticed they show their vanilla health -> then a second later goes up to the intended 4x health
gray mulch
spooky
split lantern
alloy worship unit could be switching b/w vanilla -> modded health whenever he does the shield
I dunno. im just making theories at this point
gray mulch
stares at whoever implemented that
gray mulch
See above, do the turn off half strategy. It will be done faster than you think
ionic trellis
thunderstore be like 
pearl viper
Boss seems to be fine for me even on vanilla
blazing wren
is there a way I can just quick update all on the software, im too lazy to go through all 120
mossy lagoon
settings>scroll down to bottom>update all
blazing wren
alr thanks
drowsy fable
I installed like 48 mods and I plan to install more, but I've located an issue. There are 0 drones.
Not a single drone spawns on the map, is there a specific mod that does this as a byproduct that I may have installed?
mossy lagoon
there are no mods that do that intentionally afaik
grim thistle
what do you guys think are some good character mods that aren't on the top of the thunderstore page?
acoustic raft
oh clay templar
mossy lagoon
aatrox and tristana if you dont mind league characters
acoustic raft
twitch I guess as well
mossy lagoon
oh yeah
acoustic raft
although the league characters are kinda uhhh
crisp jolt
Is there any way to fix the extreme screen/character model shake when doing the custom dances for Miner/Enforcer/etc?
There isn't any using the BadAssEngi emote menu but for the mods that have it bound to 1/2/3, the character/screen vibrates vigorously
warm hill
Those must be some bomb ass dance moves.
pearl viper
Have you tried setting screen shake in the ror2 options to 0?
noble meteor
Does anyone know how to play risk of rain 2 multiplayer using mods with people who dont have mods
mossy lagoon
which mods
noble meteor
It doesn't seem to show any servers in multiplayer for me
mossy lagoon
you downloaded unmoddedversion right
noble meteor
What's that? how do I donwload the unmodded vesrion
reef yoke
@mossy lagoon i think they thought you told them to play vanilla cus of unmodded
mossy lagoon
oh lol yeah probably
reef yoke
anyway yeah its as bread says, unmoddedversion is a mod that ignores the fact you cant connect to unmodded versions
only works for ui changes though
noble meteor
Do I need to disable my other mods if they aren't UI for it to work?
reef yoke
yes
character, difficulty, artifact and item mods tend to not work
stuff like betterui and item descriptions do work perfectly though
noble meteor
Is there a way to see which mods are specifically UI?
mossy lagoon
what I would do is make a separate profile in r2modman and only add clientside mods
the only ones I'm sure of are
itemstatsmod
betterui
rtautosprintplus
autoskipintrocutscene
noble meteor
thats a good idea
so for the UI mods it doesnt affect gameplay it only just shows stats right?
mossy lagoon
yeah
noble meteor
If you used mods like characters would you still be able to get achievements or does it run a different client to the steam one
mossy lagoon
achievements work fine
noble meteor
that seems a bit broken
mossy lagoon
command is vanilla so 🤷
you could just cheat and get them all with mods but that only hurts your own enjoyment of the game
there's no pvp or anything so it doesn't really matter
noble meteor
true
hexed elk
can someone explain what mod this add?
wise ferry
can someone explain what mod this add?
It's a dependency for another mod. It's a library so it has functionality that a depending mod uses.
If you want to see which mod added it, click "View associated"
hexed elk
ah i see thank you
unkempt ocean
okay, i honestly dont know anymore, ive played the enforcer mod for so long and never found out how to unlock that Nemesis Guy with the Minigun, does anyone know the mod well enough to help me out here? i literally tried everything i could think of
grizzled bolt
@unkempt ocean do void with the enforcer on monsoon after looping once, on the last cell nemesis enforcer will spawn
be careful, if you get a bad spot it will be a difficult fight
the nemesis enforcer does loads of damage
unkempt ocean
geez dunno how people find that shit out but thanks a lot
cant be worse then a malachite elder lemurian but thanks for the warning
i'll give it a shot right away
lime trout
He also appears after mythrix if you do the voids in the first loop, that's how I got him.
unkempt ocean
good to know thank you
only on monsoon though i suppose
mossy lagoon
ye
unkempt ocean
must say, lot of fun to play, minigun is a little well small in terms of damage unless you get the crits but apart from that, very fun moveset and all
acoustic raft
minigun is actually decent damage from my experience, the issue is that 0.3 proc co makes total damage items like horrible with it
unkempt ocean
i more like the hammer down slam, sending everyone flying and stuff, the gas grenades are also INSANE DPS like geez talkin about microsoft powerpoint
fast arrow
how do i download and install mods?
fast arrow
does that mod manager have a way to download mods?
wise ferry
does that mod manager have a way to download mods?
yes
tough nova
stupid question, does installing mods disallow getting achievements? Like if you install the mod to increase lobby size / party size, will the players (who haven't played RoR2 yet) not be able to get the achievements they want?
gray mulch
Unlocks still will work
tough nova
Unlocks still will work
so basically, it's up to the users of the mods on what's fair or not?
gray mulch
Most mods don't touch it unless they specifically say so.
tough nova
cause trying to just make sure my friends and I don't download any mods that are game breaking haha. -----
- On another note, all players need to have the mods to work? (Ex. for the increase of players, does each player need to have a mod?
- Another ex. if i download a character mod, does the other player have to also download the mod?
Or, if I have a mod and someone doesn't have it, do they download it automatiicaly?
gray mulch
No automatic downloads (for security reasons), assume all mods require everyone to have them unless the readme specifically mentions it.
tough nova
gotcha, thanks
i also checked the ror2 mod server so i understand now how it works
thanks!
gray mulch
np
What bug?
From what I looked into, its not even a conflict.
There are only 2 functions that both of us hook. My hooks to those functions are especially clean, and basically are just changing a constant.
I don't even touch health
Rip. Wasn't watching github issues past few weeks cuz life lol
azure ginkgo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565065765452120064/797892001676263454/unknown.png?width=520&height=676
some wip stuff for him too
grizzled bolt
hell yeah
azure ginkgo
blazing wren
honestly i'd play that 50% of the time I just want a providence-like modded character
also looks great
azure ginkgo
c: thank you
silent arrow
@blazing wren if you're looking for a Providence-like character, the Paladin mod by "rob" is a good one
median wave
Aye, how long does it usually take Thunderstore to come back up when it goes down?
vale widget
Is this the RoR1 commando?
azure ginkgo
yep!
it is indeed supposed to be a bit more alike the ROR1 commando.
https://gyazo.com/fb761406ae20dc41e370f17cc5d72821
also: anim smear test
silent arrow
I have a question regarding the Nemesis Enforcer from the Enforcer mod. I know that I need to beat the Voidfields on Monsoon as Enforcer after "doing one loop" but I'm a bit confused as to what stage that means.
Does it mean I only need to visit Sky Meadows once or do I need to see it a second time, then go to void fields?
azure ginkgo
essentially
beat sky meadows
and then go to void
alternatively, go to void and then beat mithrix, post-mithrix will spawn nemforcer
(iirc)
vale widget
https://gyazo.com/fb761406ae20dc41e370f17cc5d72821
also: anim smear test
Is he going to be a boss or a survivor? Or both? I'd love to play PTSDmando
silent arrow
@azure ginkgo thank you! (FIRST MONSTER SPAWN IS PARENTS IM SO SCREWED)
azure ginkgo
@vale widget Survivor first, boss second potentially
vale widget
<@!143234288819634176> Survivor first, boss second potentially
Awesome, i'll be looking forward to it. Such an awesome concept for a character c:
worthy estuary
....helloooo everyone.... what exactly does it mean when i try to download a mod i run the game and the chat box has red text saying missing dependencies or something like that
most the other mods i tried work but not goku or rorcheats and some league champions
digital orbit
Question about mods: Do you and your friend need the same mods to play?
reef yoke
yes
the exceptions are UI mods like BetterUI, because in that case you can use the mod UnmoddedVersion
acoustic raft
are there any mods out there that nerf lensmaker's besides borbo?
gray mulch
I have plans for them in genfixes
acoustic raft
I really love them at 7%, but I cant use borbo because borbo is like
totally broken
gray mulch
Tbh 10% is reasonable for a white. Its in line with stickies and syringe
acoustic raft
I would say that current crit is almost always better than sticky
gray mulch
Esp considering how many low impact whites there are
acoustic raft
it has more synergy and is a better damage increase
and you lose out on like a tiny bit of AoE
gray mulch
Stickies havd AOE, and the higher stack ceiling which helps them out a lot.
In general the stronger per stack, the lower the stack ceiling is.
mossy lagoon
it's the synergies that push crit over the edge
gray mulch
Yeah. I wouldn't touch crit outside a sweeping item rework which at this point I may do.
acoustic raft
I think scythe could probably use a nerf as well
mossy lagoon
haha I thought you said you didn't want to talk about it because then you'd end up wanted to actually do it
acoustic raft
predatory is fine though
gray mulch
Yeah just hit first stack number and scythe is ok
acoustic raft
perhaps
even then it only takes like 25% crit to pass leeching
but I guess that might be more the fault of leeching tbh
gray mulch
Yeah I would make leeching a white or something lol
mossy lagoon
yesss
acoustic raft
huh, so no mods out there with a secret lensmakers config tucked away in them?
mossy lagoon
would be insane as a white though
acoustic raft
too bad
makes me even more sad borbo is kinda dead
mossy lagoon
easy to get a couple stacks
gray mulch
I think I'll draft a writeup of that sweeping rework, if only as a driver for api features.
mossy lagoon
gray mulch
So imo the game is saturated with situational passives in white tier. I would enforce a hard limitation of non conditional and simple effects only in white tier, moving many current ones to green/red and adjusting numbers