ror2-game-questions

[daring cloak]

Yeah thats how it works

[sour fractal]

how's needletick discourse going? still worse than tri-tip or have some niches been identified?

[daring cloak]

What? Needletick is awesome

[sour fractal]

sure, it's "awesome", but is it actually worth picking up?

[daring cloak]

There is no discourse its just a good item and usually netter than tritip

[sour fractal]

do we have the damage numbers

[lavish jacinth]

it performs well in situations where you can get a lot of low-damage procs but aren't consistently following up on them, the best example is Acrid but it's also good with stuff like tesla coil or willowisp

[daring cloak]

Uhh yeah? In the.... in game log?

[lavish jacinth]

iirc the breakpoint where bleed outperforms collapse is around 9 seconds

[sour fractal]

i see

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't have the infinite damage potential of bleed so tritip is better in that sense, but there are also a lot more situations where needletick can work

and even for survivors like commando that work best with bleed, adding an extra 400% base damage to their attacks every so often is still pretty nice

[brittle shuttle]

i find needletick better on majority of survivors

[lavish jacinth]

tritip:
needletick:
either:
n/a (scrap tritips) :
There's some wiggle room there but that's how I tend to view it

and honestly idk where to put the sots survivors lol, I haven't played them enough

[sour fractal]

@primal mist https://bit.ly/Viend_Guide
void fiend is back on the menu
(please add this to the pinned message)

hifu had a copy on his drive lol

[primal mist]

Will do

Done

[sour fractal]

thanks

[primal mist]

Default

Originally Fire Bolts and Plasma Bolts were largely preference, but post-SotS the chance of an Ignition Tank is too good to pass up with Fire Bolt

As for the rest of the abilities, Nanobomb's damage and AoE is just far better than Nanospear, and Flamethrower is the key skill for Arti's DPS/PPS and cooldown rotations

As far as I can tell, Flamethrower has seen no notable changes post-Seekers, and neither has Ion Surge

So Flamethrower should still generally be the better option, even in E8

Unless there's some hidden secret change I didn't know about that hard nerfed Flamethrower into the ground

[lavish jacinth]

it's worth noting that her m1 cooldown scales with attack speed now (which might be a bug, but they haven't fixed it so I guess it's here to stay for the time being)

but she can get a lot more dps out of her primary now without being as reliant on skill cycling

[kindred herald]

flamethrower apologism in the big 25…

[lavish jacinth]

and flamethrower still hasn't had anything to compensate for the huge nerf it got with the sotv burn change, other than the attack speed scaling (which it should've always had anyway)

[primal mist]

Understandable, though I don't see still how that makes Ion Surge the better option here
Since that's also boost Flamethrower and Flamethrower's damage and procs

[primal mist]

Flamethrower's nerf in SotS was way overblown

Like did it need that nerf, no, but the skill wasn't nerfed into the ground or anything
It was still superior over Surge

[lavish jacinth]

don't get me wrong, I love flamethrower

my point earlier was that surge is the easier option

[primal mist]

tbh I actually would argue Surge is the harder option
Since it launches you way up into the air, your projectile aim needs to be compensated more
And in E8 it can accidentally fire you out of the tele radius

Flamethrower keeps you close and you can just kinda spray it in the relative direction of the enemies
And if M1 now scales with attack speed, thus making the cooldown rotates less necessary, then Flamethrower's sprint cancel becomes even more valuable and makes Flamethrower even more noncommittal

You can spray it enough to get your damage, procs, and burn in, then sprint cancel back to a bolt or nanobomb/spear

[lavish jacinth]

just like old times huh

[primal mist]

Indeed

But I see no reason for why the optimization ruling in Flamethrower's favor having changed at all here

[scenic orbit]

Nano bomb is definitely better early game but I find nano spear way more useful late game especially against mythrix

[primal mist]

Snapfreeze alone hard cheeses Mithrix, you don't need spear

And later game, Nanobomb's AoE and better general damage leads to better procs

Of course, compared to Flamethrower v Surge, Nanobomb v Spear is definitely a bit more personal preference, especially if you're running Flamethrower which can help with the damage loss

[lavish jacinth]

about that actually, spear has been uh, interesting lately

[daring cloak]

I have not been able to replicate this on console with that big of an effect

[lavish jacinth]

I'm trying to get a better clip of it but I've seen ones where it send enemies to the moon lol

[primal mist]

Least buggy RoR2 update

Honestly that's a fun thing for Nanospear's benefit though

[scenic orbit]

I usually use surge and nano spear is nice for the range

[primal mist]

Surge + Nanospear is also like
Probably the weakest Arti loadout
It exacerbates the issues of both skills

Play as you want and find fun ofc, that's what's most important

But Nanospear's lack of real AoE showcases Surge's issues when trying to utilize it to stay in the air, and being in the air showcases Nanospear's greater emphasis on needing to lead and the like

[quasi topaz]

Surge is almost always better than flamethrower bc it can used as a get off me tool, it can be used for repositioning, and enemies tend to have a hard time with vertical mobility

[scenic orbit]

Idk that loadout works insanely well for me. Nano bomb works well too but not quite as good. Also I don’t like being on the ground with arti, enemies scary

[primal mist]

Your "get off me" is ENV suit and circle strafing

[brittle shuttle]

flamer can have good dps but its hard to argue against the fact that 90% of enemies can no longer hit you in the air

theyre both fine moves

[primal mist]

Losing damage and making it harder for yourself to hit enemies is worse

[brittle shuttle]

but one is good dps meanwhile the other one might as well give you iframes

[primal mist]

90% of enemies also can't hit you if you just like

Get somewhat close and walk around

[lavish jacinth]

halcyonite has entered the chat

[primal mist]

Fucking Mithrix, the melee boss, can't hit you if you get close and circle strafe him

[brittle shuttle]

elder lem greater wisps hees and hoos this' and thats

[primal mist]

Elder Lems get animation locked and struggle to turn on you, the same is true of greater wisps

There's a reason why one of the messages pinned here is about how nearly every char in the game benefits from being close range

There's no reason to run Surge because normal circl strafing movement invalidates many enemies, especially in tandem with ENV suit which can be used as an aerial mixup to throw off enemies in its own right

So you're better off boosting your damage and proc rate instead

Captain is like, the epitomy of this
Zero mobility outside of Diablo jumping, and his only real attack is shotgunning enemies with no movement to negate them
And yet, if you just walk around them
You win

[quasi topaz]

Surge makes stage exploration overall easier especially with later stages and it gives you a free pillar skip

[primal mist]

Your stage exploration matters less because time just isn't punishing in RoR2
It's helpful, but not worth losing damage and procs over

[lavish jacinth]

this will never end, will it

[primal mist]

The only real noteworthy part is pillar skips

[primal mist]

It's neverending

It was like this like
Holy shit 5 years ago

[lavish jacinth]

I'm over it at this point

[quasi topaz]

That alone is worth taking surge at least on eclipse

[primal mist]

In regular runs, it's not enough reason to warrant Surge, though Eclipse yes, it's a closer debate

There's an argument for both Flamethrower and Surge in E8

Flamethrower because you want to kill enemies ASAP and it doesn't shoot you out of the tele radius
And Surge because pillar skips are a lot more valuable in Eclipse

[steady stone]

This is the side of the argument you never considered!

[primal mist]

If I'm taking Essence on Arti I'm probably doing a meme run lol

Now Strides is a closer argument for heresy skills, and technically hooks

[quasi topaz]

The side of the argument nobody considers

Until you accidentally pick it up on bandit and just have to cope the rest of the run

[primal mist]

Worse, Mercenary

[quasi topaz]

Strides loader

[primal mist]

That too lol

But if you pick up like
Any heresy item besides maybe Hooks on Merc
You might as well just become the Heretic unless you're memeing

[lavish jacinth]

actually, now that arti m1 scales with attack speed, I wonder how many syringes you'd need for essence to be worth taking over either special

[glacial knoll]

you want a not really good movement skill use ion you want more damage use flamethrower

truly the argument

[primal mist]

Hello Wolfo, been a while lol

[glacial knoll]

yeah idk you

[primal mist]

I go by 404 now, but originally FadeShock

[primal mist]

That'd be a fun experiment

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't care about the normal cooldown cap either even though it still technically has one

[primal mist]

Amazing

[lavish jacinth]

(that second clip is unrelated, mithrix just looks really funny in 3x speed lol)

[primal mist]

FLINT LOCKWOOD

https://tenor.com/view/officer-police-officer-earl-earl-meme-gif-16831994

Anyways, back to my slumber I go
For anyone who remembers the community guide pin, it's been updated with a new link for the Viend guide since it's been recovered

[lime fjord]

what are some good purple items for Acrid

[lavish jacinth]

are noteworthy, and any of the usual good ones

[rotund belfry]

for the false son "kill 15 enemies with one activation of 'the laser' ", does it have to be the damage that comes from the laser or do other item procs (bleed, gasolines etc) count? does it need to just be 15 kills after i press my special?

[woven sigil]

does spawning in items in modded ror2 make it so it counts as items found on non-modded ror2? i was testing out the umbral mithrix fight and spawned in 200,000 tougher times and in normal ror2 it says i also found 200,000 tougher times

[lavish jacinth]

it does yeah

there's a command to disable it though, prevent_profile_writing 1

[lavish jacinth]

I think it does have to be from the laser, not 100% sure though

easy to do with kin+swarms+glass either way though

[glacial knoll]

it doesnt have to be the laser

[lime fjord]

is there a huge difference between and ?

they both have on hit insta kills so whats the advantage of one over the other?

[kindred herald]

neither of these items insta kill\

[lime fjord]

with like a stack of 10, plus some rings and uek they sure as hell come close

[kindred herald]

these items do different things

[lime fjord]

well that was my question

[kindred herald]

have you read their descriptions

genuine question

[lime fjord]

detonate vs collapse on hit

[steady stone]

one of them is a proc and one is a guarantee on full health

[lavish jacinth]

voidsent is basically but a bit less damage and it works on the first hit on an enemy instead of when they die

collapse is similar to bleed, it does more damage up front but doesn't stack as well

[mellow crystal]

you can trigger needletick more than once on an enemy and needletick isn't aoe and needletick isn't guaranteed and needletick doesn't care how much health the enemy has

in other words they're completely different items

needletick is also a debuff

[lavish jacinth]

yeah it's kinda weird to compare them lol

voidsent is also rarer

[lime fjord]

i mean considering im new to this game and still learning how everything works, no it isnt

[lavish jacinth]

fair enough, they're still very different effects with different purposes though

[lime fjord]

the needletick is only really necessary for up to 10 stacks correct? no reason to take 11 or more?

[lavish jacinth]

Voidsent's explosion can also proc other items whereas collapse can't, since debuffs can't proc

[mellow crystal]

with 1.0 proc coefficient attacks yea
tho proc coeff is literally a hidden mechanic so i doubt you'd know what it is

[steady stone]

depends, chances over 100% are still multiplied by proc coeff, just not luck

[lime fjord]

yeah ive never heard of that

[steady stone]

viend corrupt laser has 0.625, meaning take all chances and multiply by that per hit

[lavish jacinth]

technically more could be useful if you have attacks with a proc coeff below 1.0, but 10 is still plenty

[kindred herald]

in 90% of cases 10 will be plenty

[mellow crystal]

basically everything that deals damage has a proc coefficient that multiplies the trigger chance of % effects
so something with a 0.5 proc coeff would have a 5% chance to trigger 1 needletick, instead of a 10% chance

[lavish jacinth]

it also affects status effect duration and a few other miscellaneous things, but it's mainly a multiplier for proc chance

[lime fjord]

I see

[lavish jacinth]

it's not super important unless you really wanna optimize damage, it's kept as a hidden stat for a reason. I do think it's helpful to know that it exists though, even if you're playing casually and don't care about all the numbers

[kindred herald]

it’s not super relevant though because not a lot of things have a proc coefficient other then 1
the main exceptions are captain’s shotgun, Rex’s m1, and railgunner specials (both of which have a higher then 1 chance)

[lime fjord]

Im honestly just playing very casually so its not something I'll worry about

I mainly just get the two rings and then stack voidscent and ueks

For damage at least

[lavish jacinth]

if you do wanna deal more damage, it's best to mix different items instead of just stacking a couple of things

since damage items tend to multiply each other

[lime fjord]

So stacking 50 gas tanks is a bad idea

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, setting the entire map on fire after one kill is pretty fun

[lime fjord]

Extremely comical

[lavish jacinth]

but like, you could pick up one stack of and instantly make all of those gas stacks 20% better, for example

[kindred herald]

the tl;dr is that two sources of +20% damage from different item give you more damage then +40% from two of the same item

1 and is better then 2 s

[lavish jacinth]

and most proc items can proc other proc items

and since most of them deal a % of the hit that procced them, you can get exponentially more damage very quickly

[lime fjord]

Does stacking rings effect much?

[lavish jacinth]

but again, not super important for casual play lol
it's pretty hard to screw up a command run as long as you're picking half-decent items

[lime fjord]

Yeah I tend to just pick whatever, I dont have a plan tbh lmao

[kindred herald]

every run wants damage, speed/mobility, and defense (whether that be from healing or damage mitigation, although it rarely hurts to have both)
bit different in Command though

[lavish jacinth]

assuming you mean , stacking them will increase the damage of the bands, which are also a multiplier of the hit that procced them (that's what 'total damage' means on the item description btw).
But bands themselves can't proc other stuff

[lime fjord]

Yeah usually I cycle by sets of 5

So I grab 5 dmg, 5 defense, 5 mobility and then recycle the process

[lime fjord]

Oh so it is beneficial to stack them?

[lavish jacinth]

it is, more damage is more damage

[lime fjord]

Noted

[lavish jacinth]

it's just good to throw other things in there too

[lime fjord]

Yeah

[lavish jacinth]

like, you could proc that does 3x the hit that procced it
the missile could proc summoning a lightning bolt that does 5x the missile's damage
the lightning could proc dealing 3x the lighting bolt's damage (if the band came off cooldown with perfect timing)
and overall that gives way more damage than just stacking a bunch of bands by themselves

[lime fjord]

Yeah I get that

Thank you

[lavish jacinth]

np

[lime fjord]

Kinda sorta the items I tend to spam for damage

With bands of course

[kindred herald]

is also exceptional

top 3 damage item

[mellow crystal]

is also always good

runic lens as well if you have sots

[lime fjord]

Noted

[quasi topaz]

Try picking up and

[fallen bridge]

too
also tends to scale better than in loops since it scales w/ clover

[lime fjord]

Gotcha, thank you

[frosty wyvern]

does anybody know what this strange box with a counter is? It says -9:59 in flashing red on it, doesent count down, highlights interactabel but i cant open it?

[fallen bridge]

that is the unlock, reaching it in under 10 minutes will grant an achievement

[woven sigil]

activated teleporter but no boss? im playing on artifact of kin, command, and sacrifice

[quasi topaz]

Activated teleporter or did you hit the prongs on sky meadows or helminth

[woven sigil]

wasnt on sky meadow

[steady stone]

really late in the game the director can mess up and just not spawn a boss

[woven sigil]

nah it was first loop lol

[steady stone]

the "Defeat the teleporter boss" objective never shows up so you don't softlock at least, it should just charge

also iirc you still get the items?

[woven sigil]

i didnt get items but it did finish charging

[lavish jacinth]

kin is a little janky and can do weird things with spawns sometimes, that's probably what caused it

[frosty hemlock]

how do levels work?

[mellow crystal]

exp required to reach the next level increases by 1.55x for each level you gain
on survivors, each level grants +30% max hp, +20% base damage, and +20% health regen
on enemies i'm pretty sure each one has different scaling, i'm not sure

[frosty hemlock]

ohhh okay thank you🐱

[lavish jacinth]

enemies also get +30%hp and +20% damage/regen per level

same for drones and other minions

there might be some exception somewhere but I don't know of any

[frosty hemlock]

any tips for the 1m dmg with railgunner?

[sly panther]

Use command, stack glass and crowbar and watches

[safe flare]

So I had an idea for an engi build, but I'm not sure about one thing. Does behemoth affect drones or not?

[brittle shuttle]

The turrets?

[safe flare]

I was going to run spare drone parts, so yeah, turrets and drones

[brittle shuttle]

Drones dont get items unless the item starts with an s and rhymes with pare drone parts

Turrets get all items

[safe flare]

lmfao

works, thanks

wait, but then turrets are affected by spare drone parts, right?

[glacial knoll]

(technically they dont get spare drone parts they just get buffed from it)

Any mechnical ally gets the buff from it yeah, Engi Turrets, Gummy Robots

[frosty hemlock]

alright thanks!

[proven prairie]

What dlc do I get? I mostly play with 2 of my friends who have both the dlcs so I get all the dlc items most the time

[slim spoke]

if you want good items, choose sotv
if you want a good bossfight, choose sots

[brave cedar]

Survivor-wise? Sots has 3, while sotv only has 2. I personally picked sotv because I was intrigued by railgunner, but at the end of the day, it's all up to your preferences

[drowsy bramble]

Do prongs the thing where you click to continue your run (loop) instead of fighting mithrix spawn on seekers of the storm and survivors of the void dlc maps?

[quasi topaz]

The Primordial teleporter that let's you loop or go to mithrix can only be found on sky meadows and helminth hatchery. You can also loop by going to the artifact portal on either of those stages

[dapper bison]

You can also loop on stage 5 by going through the blue portal, artifact portal, gold portal, and I think even green portal— though I don’t think halcyon shrines spawn in those stages o3o

[fierce bluff]

Does planula work with transcendence asap

[quasi topaz]

Yes, halcyon shrines spawn on helminth and sky meadows

[quasi topaz]

It will not regen any shield you have

[steady stone]

It can't spawn a green portal though, as there is no stage 1 in path of the colossus

[quasi topaz]

Even then you can go gold portal from that and go from there

[graceful carbon]

are there issues with steam multiplayer? me and my friends are trying to get a lobby going but one of us always has a black screen and then they cant swap characters/join the run itself.

[peak jacinth]

do you both have crossplay turned off?

[graceful carbon]

all of us yeah

[peak jacinth]

is it only 1 friend who has the issue?

or does it change who gets the black screen

[graceful carbon]

it changes

[peak jacinth]

hmm that’s pretty weird

is anyone running client side mods?

[graceful carbon]

nope

now wait im in the lobby and everything is very delayed

[peak jacinth]

I would double check that everyone has crossplay off, and then I’d verify game files. If neither of those fix the issue then I’d suggest asking about it in #ror2-tech-support

[graceful carbon]

got it

[analog brook]

How many ticks does sear do base?

[steady stone]

of fire or hits?

[analog brook]

Hits

It's not listed on wiki I wanna add it to the wiki

[steady stone]

one sec then

[analog brook]

Chef page is so undercooked 💔

Compare the sear section to arti's flamethrower smh

[steady stone]

10

1 stack of burn per hit

boosted sear is the same, ignoring the initial explosion and the fireballs

[pale bramble]

Can engineer turrets revive themselves with the seed of life?

[steady stone]

i was like 105% sure the answer would be no, but somehow... yes?

but is too far, i see game

[glacial knoll]

maybe the changes to it in the item rebalance patches sneaked it in

[pale bramble]

Why shouldn't they

[steady stone]

all other equipments dont work besides aspects and fuel array

[glacial knoll]

They get all equipments but generally they're not meant to work on turrets

[steady stone]

just strange since it's an actual equip, unlike the other 2 which are weird "not really equipments"

[glacial knoll]

well it's both an actual equip and "not really" an equip

[pale bramble]

Self-reviving is a passive effect of the equipment. So if they can use the aspects and that healing shit they should be able to use the seed too

[steady stone]

yeah, i remember i had someone here explain it better to me a while ago, but some jank with their equipment being why like, doesnt work

[glacial knoll]

Also pretty sure Gnarled Woodspirte does not work

[steady stone]

when that also has the passive healing

[glacial knoll]

It's not passive healing, the equipment itself is just targetting you

like the little guy needs to exist and he doesnt for turrets

and you could send the little guy to another dude but the default position is just on you so it's basically passive

[steady stone]

like, there could only be one?

(per player)

[glacial knoll]

No turrets could have it if they had a smth

[steady stone]

i.e. why doesnt he exist for turrets?

[glacial knoll]

Either a EquipmentSlot the technical thing that's used to activate equipment, or an item display (idk which one is needed)

[steady stone]

well if it was item display it would be busted for heretic wouldnt it

[glacial knoll]

Your inventory contains the equipment, but it's your equipment slot that uses it and calculates the cooldown and all that junk and turrets lack that, which is why they can't use equipment even with gesture, it's just a technical weird thing

[steady stone]

it also just looks like turret jank, i have an equip slot

[glacial knoll]

idk if debugtoolkit does smth extra it's the game that just forces an equip slot for the player

but like for a engi turret he dont have one

actually no you don't have a equip slot

you can't activate any equip if you spawn as a engi turret.

(The Ui just grabs the icon from the inventory directly)

[steady stone]

so for "your inventory contains the equipment," is it like marking that "certain equip = true" AND having a separate thing for uses in the slot, but no use statements are there for turrets? and id just assume that gnarled doesnt simply go off of a true statement, but aspects do? (simplified obviously because i dunno how the code actually works)

i know there's invis stuff too, like the monsoon scaling item

[glacial knoll]

EquipmentSlot.FixedUpdate if equip is gnarled do the thing

But they don't have that component on them so it doesnt spawn the dude, and the healing follower controller thing

The reason why Seed and Fuel work is they just check "inventory.currentEquip"

[steady stone]

ahhh, ok

[glacial knoll]

Like they can't use Seed to revive you or other players because that'd require firing the equip and that requires a slot so yeah yknow

[steady stone]

well that's pretty cool
thanks

[pale bramble]

So technically the seed is just an item and works exactly like dio's best friend?

[glacial knoll]

yeah it's right next to that in the code

[marble magnet]

Is it true gnarled woodsprite passively heals?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[marble magnet]

;W; I thought it only gave the small chuck of heal apon use

*chunk

[steady stone]

that's why it switches targets when you use it on an ally too, it heals the target

[marble magnet]

Ah

[steady stone]

it's 1.5% tho, less than a wungus

[tender temple]

Still good to have

It's easier to get than a wungus

[woven sigil]

why does trimping do damage

[steady stone]

youre "hitting the ground" at a really fast speed

came with the sots physics changes

[fallen bridge]

on merc & chef it just kinda does? you can mostly avoid this if the trimp surface is flat but trimping on uneven ground will just dmg you sometimes

[sly panther]

If you have longstanding solitude does going to gilded coast just brick your run?

[mellow crystal]

if you're at the level cap yes

and if you don't have unlocks left ofc

[onyx plume]

i feel like im getting more loot in the sos stage 2 map? the one you reach with taking green portal stage 1

[lavish jacinth]

that's because it has more loot

or specifically more interactable credits

[onyx plume]

damn

so to maximize the loots, i take green portal on stage 1, and take green again on stage 2?

how many greens can i take in a row to max loot but avoid false son fight?

like assuming standard mithrix ending

[lavish jacinth]

treeborn has the same amount as the other stage 3s so it's optional, but prime meridian doesn't count as a stage so the loot there is "free" as long as you can beat false son

[lavish jacinth]

if you don't wanna do FS then take the green portal on stage one and skip the rest

unless you feel like going to treeborn colony ig, then you can take the second portal but skip the third

[onyx plume]

ohhh okok

liked the aesthetics of treeborn

but a bit tough map to play imo

[analog brook]

Good optimization to do if you wanna sweat about it:
Loot like 4 chests while gold gains start to ramp up, do the halcyon shrine fully, use the gold from the halcyonite to loot everything else as fast as possible, pop tp, kill boss for the green, stop charging tp and leave through the portal

[onyx plume]

birbs go too crazy

[lavish jacinth]

iirc treeborn has a high chance to spawn cleansing pools too, which can waste some chest spawns but might be worth it if you have lunars to give up

[onyx plume]

ah i see

[onyx plume]

damn this is a good tip ill keep that in mind

[analog brook]

Positive is that you can't get rpd lmao

[lavish jacinth]

I'll just add that on stage 1, the halcyon shrine costs a total of 300 gold to fully charge, so keep that in mind when farming

I think the optimal stage route for maximum possible loot before stage 5 would be
stage 1 -> green portal -> gold portal -> green portal -> gold portal -> green portal -> stage 4 -> blue portal -> void fields -> stage 5
(assuming you're lucky enough to get gold portals on both of the colossus stages and are able to kill false son and fully clear vields)

[onyx plume]

i can't kill false son and then kill mithrix right after no?

isn't FS just ending

[fallen bridge]

you can continue after false son

[onyx plume]

ah shit

i may have been playing the new dlc wrong way ig

[lavish jacinth]

if you use the rebirth altar but cancel instead of picking an item, it'll spawn a portal and you can continue the run

[onyx plume]

oh shiiet

[lavish jacinth]

oh also if you do manage to get two gold portals, only take one stack of halcyon seed, just skip the second one

[onyx plume]

wait why?

[lavish jacinth]

beating FS with halcyon seed will actually drop better rewards, but afaik there's no benefit to having more than one seed

[onyx plume]

ah i see...

[onyx plume]

wait but at which stage am i supposed to fight false son?

its stage 3-> FS -> Stage 4?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[onyx plume]

ohh

[lavish jacinth]

that's the only time you can fight him

[onyx plume]

i was only fighting him via Stage 6 route

and taking greens after that

[lavish jacinth]

I mean that works too

I just mean it'll always be from the 3rd stage in a loop

[onyx plume]

was wondering why FS was so weak...

welp gonna share this info with my duo and try to play out the new route

tyty

[kindred herald]

it alsop drops items into the void more often then the other maps right

[summer sparrow]

anyone know why i cant play multiplayer
i bought the game a few days ago and have tried everything i can think off to fix it aswell as tried working with support but they didnt help much
so far ihave tried changing my pc's boot mode, checking file integrity, reinstalling, restarting, chainging wifi, clearing steam cashe, network troubleshooting, toggle crossplay on and off and a few other things but nothing is seeming to work

[quasi topaz]

Wdym by can't play multiplayer, what is actually happening step by step

[summer sparrow]

https://youtu.be/5FxqqEkoEoE
thats what keeps happening

i dont know exactly how to explain what its doing other than giving me a black screen just before character selection

then sending me back to the menu

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-tech-support might have some ideas but responses there are slow, only other easy fix I know of is turning off your VPN if you're using one

this is an issue that's been happening to some people lately, afaik nobody has figured out a consistent fix but hopefully it'll be addressed in the next update, whenever that is

[summer sparrow]

not using a vpn unfortunitly, wish it were that easy but cheers for the sudgestion anyway, guess i just gotta hope it fixes itself one of teh times i try play it or hope for a update soon

[quasi topaz]

This bug has been going on for a bit

Sadly

[summer sparrow]

ah i see

[outer marsh]

i had a similar issue. i had to find the "Epic" thing in the task manager, end it, then i restarted the game and it went back to normal

[quasi topaz]

Is it an epic games store issue?

[summer sparrow]

its steam tho n not epic n i tried that with steam but same issue unfortunatly

[weary cloud]

are stakes or spikes better for FS?

[outer marsh]

my game is also on steam. they use epic for the crossplay or the online portion of it

this was the process i had to ""restart""

[summer sparrow]

cheers ill try it out when i get the chance

[mellow crystal]

Generally stakes but they are harder to use since spikes are an easy option for flying enemies and for big enemies you can just hold m2

[cobalt quiver]

try enabling the epic games online service thing in the settings.
it worked for me once before

[brittle shuttle]

all false son moves are pretty equal except for laser of the father and laser burst

laser burst kinda just wins in damn near every aspect

[mystic coral]

how does one false son

[brittle shuttle]

its blight vs poison again except with lotf and lb where theres 20 thousand things lb does and 1 thing lotf does

[brittle shuttle]

hp increasing items are good

make sure to use your lunar tampering passive as effectively as possible

stack lunar ruin on enemies you mildly dislike to watch them crumble and die

use normal swinging when against single targets and slam when against a horde

win game

[mystic coral]

i tried for like one round and imminently got surrounded by wisps and they kept flying out of slam range

[brittle shuttle]

use laser and spikes to pick them off

also slams aoe scales with how long you fall with it

and you can use step of the brothers while charging it

so if you charge slam, dash in the air, release slam, you get a much bigger aoe

[mystic coral]

ok thank you

[brittle shuttle]

also step of the brothers creates an explosion for each enemy it hits

so if theres a dense group of wisps it may also be worth it to just dash through them

[mystic coral]

they love flying in different directions

[brittle shuttle]

false son is also the single tankiest survivor in ror2 so he can also just afford to sit there and eat a lot of wisp attacks

hes the risk of rain juggernaut

the more spikes you have the more armor you have, the more spikes you use the more regen you have

so even just by ignoring them you can tank them for quite awhile

[mystic coral]

i thought loader was tanky or rex with healing

[brittle shuttle]

theyre tanky but false son is tankier

[lavish jacinth]

FS has the same health as loader but with a passive that can essentially give him more armor or regen on demand

[brittle shuttle]

as well as what is essentially another passive that encourages him to build into hp

but it also buffs his first passive in the process

[tall nexus]

its how many spikes/stakes he has i think

[frosty hemlock]

do cleansing pools spawn in artifact of command?

havent seen a single one yet

[glacial knoll]

nah

[frosty hemlock]

im cooked

is there any way to get rid of lunar items with it ornah

[proven prairie]

What’s the best void item for false son from every void rarity?

[mellow crystal]

Just the standard good void items rlly
There are no health-increasing voids so he doesn't get any special synergies

[sly panther]

Wungus

Lysate cells also kinda cracked on him with the alt special

[mellow crystal]

Funnily enough I'd argue fs wants wungus the least compared to other survivors (except engi) since he has innate regen control

[sly panther]

True, but leans into the tank thing harder, but yea wungus is good on everyone

[worldly olive]

Or viend unless you have a bunch of voids already

[mellow crystal]

Viend wungus is overhated tbh it allows you to keep corruption static while uncorrupted more easily
Or at least less tediously since you don't have to press R every few seconds

[worldly olive]

Still wouldn't say its great since Viend is one of the charcters who has some of the best sustain in the game

It does have some uses which at least puts it above lysate but any void is better than lysate on viend

[sly panther]

Its good if you like staying in base form as much as possible

[worldly olive]

You can already do that just by using the non corrupted special frequently

[sly panther]

Yeah but that gets annoying, and if youre spamming special thats less time youre using your primary

[worldly olive]

And if you're sprinting that's also less time using your primary
Plus you can use your special whilst sprinting

[sly panther]

Pretty sure you can sprint with his primary

[worldly olive]

Nope, his primary is not agile

[bright phoenix]

what did my friend die to???

[outer marsh]

laser in his back

[worldly olive]

They just died to the fireballs

[bright phoenix]

the fireballs did 1.7k??

[clear whale]

Look like he got owned by a malachite elder lemurian

[worldly olive]

Yep, the enemies were max level and they got hit by a malechite

It might've dealt more damage than that

[bright phoenix]

damn…i feel like i never get hit big like he does😭

here’s the build I had btw

[worldly olive]

I mean, comparatively you were facing against a bunch of grandparents and didn't get hit by the slow moving rock they throw

And killed them fast enough to make them not do their solar flare attack

[bright phoenix]

yeah, he’s know for these weird hamster deaths tho, idk if it’s maybe the build it he’ll live crazy situations then die to something random like that

[worldly olive]

I don't think its random to die to a t2 elite Elder lemurian

[clear whale]

Malachites are no joke

[bright phoenix]

What does it do beside the anti heal??

[worldly olive]

It just has a bloated amount of damage

And health like the other t2 elites

[sly panther]

Elder lems are just generally one of the biggest threats anyways, even getting hit by a normal one might kill you

[worldly olive]

Well actually theres also the spike grasses they produce but they generally aren't threatening

Tbh they'd be around as threatening as they are now even if you removed the anti heal

[bright phoenix]

makes sense makes sense, another question, is 5 uke optimal bc of the proc rate of .2, or should i stick to 4 for the 100% chance of spawning lighting

[worldly olive]

Ukes do not stack proc chance

[bright phoenix]

what😀

[worldly olive]

They instead stack chains per stack
They can produce 3 at one stack and +2 for every other stack you have

Its not typically a great idea to stack Ukes for that reason

[bright phoenix]

So at one, uke can spread to 3 different targets from that one instance and then has a .20 or 20% chance to proc again?

[worldly olive]

Chain lightning themselves can't proc other chain lightning from what I believe

[bright phoenix]

Okay so it has to proc something else like ATG to get another chance at lighting

[worldly olive]

Yeah it does have a chance to proc other items

[bright phoenix]

and since Atg has a proc rate of 1 it will guarantee that you proc uke if you have at least 4 of them?

[worldly olive]

Nope, like I said Ukes proc rate doesn't get better if you stack it

Its always 25% before factoring in proc coefficients

[golden urchin]

Does it just extend radius?

[bright phoenix]

ohhhh I thought you meant the proc co efficient doesn’t stack not the percentage change to spawn lighting

[worldly olive]

If you somehow have a proc coefficient of 4 or higher then it probably has a 100% chance to proc but the highest proc co a survivor has is Railgunner with her Supercharge (at 3.0)

[brittle shuttle]

Malachite enemies have bonkers stat multipliers

All tier 2 elites do

And he had shaped glass so

Yeeouch

[bright phoenix]

So it’s not really worth getting more than like 2 ukes huh?

[worldly olive]

Yeah its not really too worth it to go above that much

[bright phoenix]

Yeah idk what he was doing😭, we did 2 extra laps just so he could fix it

[worldly olive]

It is however very much worth it to stack the void counterpart (polylute)

[golden urchin]

How many base game items are there

[bright phoenix]

i really wanna get the expansions but i wanna push the game to its limits with base game first

[worldly olive]

That's fair

[golden urchin]

Same brother

Or sister or in between

[worldly olive]

The expansions typically make the game easier in most normal runs

[bright phoenix]

Currently i’m tryna come up with a build for mercenary that fits the aesthetics for a run me and friend are about to do

And also figuring out wtf that characters wants in general

[worldly olive]

Hes a bit more of a hybrid survivor where most things are kinda just good on him

Bleed is a bit finicky to work with though since whilst he can hit a lot he generally hits moreso in bursts (by that I mean hit a lot in 1 second and not much in another)

It can work with him though especially if you get a crowdfunder, but if you get a crowdfunder a bleed build is always gonna be good

I guess the one thing you should focus on more is generally focus more on raw damage than aoe since most of his loadouts have workable aoe in general especially if you know expose tech (though mind you gas and wisps are still good)

Oh actually right if you know how to use expose tech and you aren't running eviserate it might be better to scrap fire rate

[bright phoenix]

I was worried about AoE and flying enemies, and what do you mean expose tech?

[worldly olive]

If you're struggling a lot with flying enemies then some on kill effects or a uke could be nice for dealing with them

Errr, the correct term is expose transfer but basically if you do the 3rd hit of your combo and then attack with either whirwind or your dashes you'll still "carry" the expose debuff on those hits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2HlvF17Rng Heres a video to showcase it

But basically +fire rate makes the timing for this faster (and harder)

[bright phoenix]

i see i see, thanks for the help!!

[spiral crane]

I can't find anything on "Mending Mithrix", this is the first time I ran into it - anyone have an explanation? I wasn't using any mods, but some artifacts
https://outplayed.tv/risk-of-rain-2/Xa4RR7

[fallen bridge]

artifact of honor makes all enemies elite - including special bosses like mithrix, false son, voidling, etc

[spiral crane]

sweet, so artifact of honor caused him to be mending

thats cool, thanks for the explanation!

[cinder pasture]

what is there going to be a third dlc?

[fallen bridge]

yes

[cinder pasture]

nice

[fierce bluff]

Why are even harpoon players pick stationary turrets on engi?

the moving ones always seemed better to me if you don't have shield

[crisp timber]

1. bustling fungus gives a lot of survivability to the turrets, moreso than just moving. especially below e5, where facetanking is a more legitimate strategy

2. moving turrets are kinda horrible. worse proc coefficient, worse dps (210%/s vs 200%/s), noticeably shorter range

plus, you can wall bug and just have invincible turrets

[fierce bluff]

Dunno 'bout range, but stationary ones deal 100% of your damage and moving ones 200%

[hoary sedge]

mobile turrets aren't THAT bad, they actually get more procs/second on average than stationary and only deal slightly less dps

plus if you plan on taking visions (which I do a lot bc engis m1 sucks ass) it only really matters if you care about wallbugging and bungus

[mellow crystal]

That's a case of the developers literally fucking lying to you for no reason
Stationaries fire ~3 times per second for 70% damage, for 210% DPS
Mobile turrets fire ~5 times per second for 40% damage, for 200% DPS

It's insane how many descriptions hopoo wrote that are inaccurate when they're the ones who coded the original base game 😭

[fierce bluff]

Didn't know that, thanks!

[analog brook]

"That's a case of the developers literally fucking lying to you for no reason" fucking crying lmfao

[glacial knoll]

in game they're both 183% dps so math is even lying to us

[analog brook]

How come?

[glacial knoll]

idk that's what the dps mod says

[analog brook]

Third evil party lying to us?

[quasi topaz]

The true damage of the engi turrets is whatever you want to believe

It exists in a quantum state where it is none of them and all of them

[glacial knoll]

it says a clean 600% dps for commando m1 and that checks out

Walking Turrets with having less synergies, less proc and needing to rely on ai does probably make them generally worse

[quasi topaz]

Also bungus

Walking spaz out

[tender temple]

ok but they are walking tho

and walking is always better than standing still

i cant believe these fake video game fans

[versed anvil]

I have completed all of the DLC's of Ror2, does anyone have any ideas of what I should do next?

[mellow crystal]

Play the game for fun
Play eclipse
Play with mods

[versed anvil]

Thanks I will do these!

[woven sigil]

what does the "highest stack count" mean when you look at items

[daring cloak]

Its the amount that you stacked the item the most at once

So say you got 20 tougher times in one run, it will show that your highest stack count is 20 because you reached that in a run

[full apex]

Way back in the day i timed them by counting frames and thats pretty close to what i calc'd

So i suspect its just frame rounding shenanigans between entity states adding up

I should probably retime them at some point or at least properly analyze the states but lazy lol. This was what i had before which for mobile its almost right on that amount, stationary has falloff so that could offset very slightly higher base dps

The tick rates were 2.73 and 4.62 per sec respectively, which ofc is lower than a flat 3 / 5

[marble magnet]

Is the amount of times a halcyon shrine spawns golems random?

[lavish jacinth]

it spawns 3 waves of them in total, one when it starts, then two more when it's 25% and 50% charged

[marble magnet]

I see

;W; it just really feels random idk

Maybe it's just because it keeps stopping and starting

[lavish jacinth]

that's what the wiki says, and I think that's pretty accurate from what I remember

if you're doing it from stage 1 it's better to farm up some gold before starting it instead of relying on the golems, it takes a total of 300 gold to fully charge on stage 1

you can also stop charging it early but the reward won't be as good

[crystal blade]

Can someone help me understand the credits weighting system? So if i am correct a green printer is the same credit cost as a yellow printer (10) and in the same category, but the weights are 6 and 2 respectively; does that mean i am 3 times more likely to find a green printer then a yellow on stage 2 and beyond?

And I am very confused when it says a chest can have a weight of 24, 240, or 30

[marble magnet]

I only stop charging it on accident lmao

[full apex]

There are weights per object and then per category and its different on each stage

[lavish jacinth]

if you hover over it it'll give an explanation

[full apex]

So theres weight within category and weight for the category, you could think of it like the odds a certain pool is selected and then the odds a certain interactable from that category is chosen

[crystal blade]

Ahhhhh

[full apex]

Some stages pull a trick by multiplying the weights in the category in order to have smaller ones. like if a shrine is 12 and you want something to have 0.1, you can just make that weight 1 and multiply the others in the category by 10, which would make 24 240

[crystal blade]

So all of the weights on the dlc stages but category chests are x10 to make category chests rarer on those stages or what?

[full apex]

That way the odds within the category are preserved

[full apex]

If theres one thing much lower then yea its just to lower it

[crystal blade]

That makes sense

[full apex]

A few stages do that with shrines

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much, they just decided to handle weights differently on dlc stages for whatever reason

[crystal blade]

Am i right abt the green printer being exactly 3x more common than yellow

or is it more nuanced

[full apex]

Its more complex unfortunately but the rough idea is correct, it would be that much more likely within the category. But when doing a full stage costs can end up mattering based on what spawns when

Its probably a fine assumption most of the time, the variance is most dramatic on high cost stuff like the gold chest

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you have to account for the fact that the director has a limited number of credits to spend. Even if a rarer thing does get selected to spawn, the director still has to be able to afford it

[full apex]

The gold chest being so damn expensive means that even if you would hit the low chance to roll it, if you dont also roll it early enough, then it cant be afforded and wont spawn. so its like a meta rng on top of the raw rng lol

[lavish jacinth]

it's essentially impossible to give an exact spawn rate for interactables because of that, but comparing weights is still roughly accurate

[full apex]

Mhm. I (still) need to update my stage simulator, since the only real way to get an average like that is just by generating like a million stages and tallying everything

Just the way DLC content is loaded and toggled still confuses me a little bit and i dont wanna implement it hahaha...

This is a wetlands sim from pre-any DLC, and it has green printers spawning a bit over 3x as often as yellow.

aqeuduct was 0.0785 vs 0.2375, which is also fairly close to 3x as often

[sacred oar]

Hi, quick question is it possible to go back to normal game from Void Locus

[weary cloud]

how does laser of the father work? i just tried it and I dont understand why it does so little dmg

[lavish jacinth]

nope, once you're there you have to go to voidling and end the run

[lavish jacinth]

you have to charge it to deal full damage

[weary cloud]

ohhh so u hold the button then itll go off automatically once it's full charged?

[lavish jacinth]

it also scales its duration based on how much growth you have

yeah, it takes 2 seconds to fully charge

it doesn't go off automatically though

[weary cloud]

okay thank u that all makes sense

[trail haven]

not really a game question, but a soundtrack question: does anybody know what time signatures Nocturnal Emission uses

[fallen bridge]

ee liner notes say it is 5/4 & switches to 5+4+5+7/4 during the solo

[proven prairie]

What’s an easy way to get false son’s alt utility?

[lavish jacinth]

realercheatunlocks

otherwise there is no easy way, it's a pain in the ass no matter what

just treat it like the other "kill mithrix with X" challenges, focus on direct damage multipliers and avoid proc items or other things that could steal the kill

try to apply lunar ruin to mithrix right as Aurelionite is about to attack, can help increase Auri's damage output a bit, ideally on an equipment drone for more uptime

and just be really careful not to kill mithrix directly, auri has to get the final hit

[proven prairie]

Alr I’ll try

[pliant wigeon]

is alloyed collective gonna be the same price as the other two dlcs if someone knows

[fallen bridge]

most likely going to be the same price

[onyx plume]

is voidsent flame (will o wisp corrupted version) an upgrade to loader

nvm i have too much combat drones

[golden urchin]

How do people get hundreds of millions of lunar coins

[crisp timber]

All your profile date is stored on a txt file

Find the text file and you can do anything

[haughty imp]

Does rebirth after beating FS count as beating the game on monsoon?

[brittle shuttle]

Yes

[sly panther]

Are the halcyon pillar things just pointless if you have longstanding solitude

[mellow crystal]

You can still purchase them like chests and chance shrines

[fallen bridge]

& then you charge them w/ what money?

[mellow crystal]

Oh wait I thought they meant the gilded coast ones

Man we have too many halcyon things in this game 😭

[fierce bluff]

Recently one rando, a skilled one(all eclipses cleared) told me that halcyonite seed stacks between players just like SRF,basically if 2 players have, is it true???

[clear whale]

Yep

The six halcyonite seeds

[chrome mist]

does cautious slug affect void feind's regeneration

[neon bolt]

no, it simply increases your base health regen which is different from outright healing you iirc

[chrome mist]

thanks

[hoary sedge]

yeah regeneration doesn't affect corruption

only like actual healing (that makes green numbers) does

[golden arrow]

Guys I have a big issue, I have the item than transforms all of your gold into exp but I want to beat the false son. I just cannot open a portal to his stage because I simply cannot gain gold. How do I manage to get to him ?

[clear whale]

lunar seers

theres also geodes that you can break in the newt stage

bazaar between time

[golden arrow]

wdym ?

get rid of the lunar item ?

nvm i got it

[winter elk]

Guys did seekers primary fire get changed ?

As in the tranquility buff

[kindred herald]

can mithrix get blessed by prayer beads when you get them back from him

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, it gets +50% damage per tranquility stack

[lavish jacinth]

Not sure, but If he can it would have basically no effect since he can't gain xp

[dull monolith]

If you enter the portal after clearing Prime Meridian on stage 6, do you loop or go to the moon?

[marble magnet]

How good is full crit on double Rebar (retool) MUL-T?

[quasi topaz]

High crit is always good on any character

[hoary sedge]

it should just send you to a normal stage but how the hell did you get to prime meridian on stage 6

[marble magnet]

Ight

[hoary sedge]

(except railgunner)

[quasi topaz]

Railgunner is a weirdo

[neon bolt]

which portal do i need to take to get to false son?

the green one right

[high forum]

yes

[dull monolith]

You can crack the geodes in the bazaar after meadow/hatchery to go there

[hoary sedge]

huh

I don't think that's intentional

[peak jacinth]

as far as we know its not, but it is something you can do as of the most recent update

it’s not a bug that happens under certain conditions, it’s just always there lol

[glacial knoll]

seems like an overseight for sure but interesting to know

could use PM instead of commencement i guess

[onyx plume]

how much gold do you need to farm in stage 6 in order to get max warbonds stack?

i tried to look up wiki but it doesn't have the detailed info on how hard it scales

[glacial knoll]

30x chest price on any stage

[lavish jacinth]

gold scaling is always consistent, the base cost of a missile is 50 so every missile will always be equivalent to a large chest

[onyx plume]

ah i see

[timber nebula]

If you get to the gilded coast and have longstanding solitude are you just stuck forever?

[livid wedge]

Technically, no

You just have to level up 7 times

Unless you're at the level cap

Then yes

[tawny raft]

does 'lunar items' include a lunar coin? 🤔

[lavish jacinth]

nope, only actual items/equipment. Coins are fine

[frosty wyvern]

for the mountain shrine, to do it do i need to find one on the first level? or is it random chance

[lavish jacinth]

they can spawn on most stages except stage 3, it's just random

[frosty wyvern]

alr

ty

[sly panther]

Which stages can spawn without a newt altar?

[wintry fjord]

None of them

They all have one somewhere

[sly panther]

Oh nice I thought there was 1 or 2 maps where they might not have one

[wintry fjord]

They can be hard to find but if you play for long enough you'll memorize where they could spawn and then you just have to check those areas

Or use radar scanner and it'll be marked with a ?

[sly panther]

Ive got most of the old maps memorized, but just coming back after a couple year break so the new maps I struggle to find em sometimes

[wintry fjord]

I have 100+ hours and I still don't know where some are

I do know where the spots where there will be one every time

Like if you have sots there's a guaranteed one at the top inside the mouth of a worm

In helminth

The wiki has a list of all of them

And there's quite a few guides on YouTube

[kindred herald]

it’s possible for them to be inaccessible on a couple maps

[mellow crystal]

550+ and I fight false son every run, still don't know half the spots on reformed altar 😭

Heck I only know two or three spots on treeborn too

[fallen bridge]

reformed altar's spots are kinda sneaky

[hoary sedge]

isn't there a variant of sirens call that can spawn without a newt?

or did they fix that

[tawny raft]

bro are you kidding me? I was doing the 20 stages thingy for commando.
Is there no portal to go out at stage 19?! 🤦‍♂️
Edit: nvm it was bugged or sth, it just spawned

[gleaming jewel]

Sooooo I have another question. What's the point of the guitar???

Does it help or certain character/ item or is it useless

[fallen bridge]

the ? it has a chance to fire chain lightning on hit

it's one of the best aoe items in the game actually

[gleaming jewel]

Wait that's kinda sick. Ngl I thought it was super useless

Unless u had a certain character to use it

Thx ya

[fallen bridge]

yah ... the item pickup description is not very helpful

[gleaming jewel]

YEAH VERY MUCH SOOOOOO ugh

[wintry fjord]

Is there a specified date or month for the new dlc

[lavish jacinth]

protip, turn on 'enable inspect' in settings to get better descriptions of stuff, or just look in the logbook

[gleaming jewel]

WAIT HUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[lavish jacinth]

nope, I think all we know is that it'll probably be sometime 2025

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the game hides a bunch of QoL stuff under that umbrella settings thing on the first settings page

[gleaming jewel]

OMGGGGGG I FEEL SOOOO STUPID

LIKE ACTUALLY

Some of theses settings COULD'VE SAVED ME SOOOOO MANY RUNNNNNNNS

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-2-slamming-desk-gif-7817746537201906733

[gleaming jewel]

Just when I think i understood the game

THIS HAPPENS... ugh first if was the purple portal now this

[hoary sedge]

ahh...purple portaled...

[lavish jacinth]

yeah idk why they hide so much stuff in a dropdown menu with a stupid name, half of those things should just be on by default imo

[wintry fjord]

Even worse than purple portaled is celestial portaled, that happened to me and it pmo

[lavish jacinth]

boy do I have some news for you

you aren't stuck if you go to the celestial portal

[wintry fjord]

Wait what

[lavish jacinth]

if you interact with the altar once, it'll ask if you're sure and spawn a portal over to the right, taking it will bring you back to normal stages

[wintry fjord]

Bro tf

[gleaming jewel]

HORRIBLE. The first time I entered it I accidentally teleported off the edge. And the second time I had to rush it because i had an item that gave me money whenever I dealt damage but I would lose money whenever I got hit

Soooo I never had chance to explore it

[lavish jacinth]

...why would brittle crown prevent you from exploring void locus? you don't need money there anyway

except for repairing drones ig

[gleaming jewel]

I like seeing big numbers

And I though i could keep it as well

-# I also hate my money converts to xp even tho im 5-9 lvl below the difficulty

[lavish jacinth]

still not sure how that stops you from doing void locus but ok

[fair compass]

Any tips for doing eclipse?

[gleaming jewel]

Yeah idk either BUT THX U FOR THE TIP

[fallen bridge]

always prioritize dodging & don't rely on healing ... that's not to say healing is bad but you should never need more than 2-3 slugs or wungus

quite a few modifiers do nothing but punish you for being hit, so it is good to instil a dodging mentality while you play

[lavish jacinth]

strategy-wise it isn't too different from monsoon, you still wanna full clear stages and everything. You just have to play really well and take as little damage as possible

[fair compass]

Hm alright. I never really thought to dodge more rather then tank more hits cause I’ve never really had to rely on that

[fair compass]

Ok got it, I’ll keep it in mind for my next run, thanks both of you.

[sly panther]

Ive had a few times on Chef, Arti, and Railgunner where their freezes dont proc on normal enemies, is this a bug or am I missing something about freeze in general?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, freezes are just kinda inconsistent

certain animations prevent freezing like when an enemy is spawning, and some enemies are just immune to it for some reason

[sly panther]

Ah yeah I figured it was something like that, lame

[golden urchin]

So not possible on console?

Man I wish cool stuff was possible on co sole

[proven prairie]

What void and lunar items are good on void fiend? Or do I just pick up every void item I see?

[lavish jacinth]

is pretty bad on him and just aren't great in general (although lost seers is especially bad on him, he likes having crit). But otherwise most void items are as strong as usual

with lunar items it's mostly just the usual good ones like gesture, tonic, glass if you're into that, etc.. (stay away from though unless you never wanna use corrupt form again).
can be good with the corrupt beam if you don't mind giving up the heal in uncorrupt form, although it's free to take with

[proven prairie]

Even needletick? I though he liked having bleed

[lavish jacinth]

bleed and collapse are both good on him

so it's just situational, if you've already got a bleed build going (without shatterspleen) then stick with that, but if you don't have any tritips then needletick is fine too

if you do have a shatterspleen build then you should always take needletick since tritip is way less valuable, if not totally useless

[proven prairie]

Alr

Thx

[timid matrix]

Actually distant roost doesn't spawn a newt altar sometimes
For some reason

[proven prairie]

Which red do I take from the void fields, hardlight afterburner, H3AD-ST or unstable Tesla coil? I’m playing void fiend

[fallen bridge]

i would say , it is a very good item in its own right but void fiend is able to use it decently well

[kindred herald]

Headset is one of the best reds

[last hazel]

it depends, headset is really good but it also needs a lot of tech knowledge

[fallen bridge]

not really, the tech makes it better but being able to easily avoid >50% of enemies & having a decent burst dmg proc is very good on its own

[last hazel]

fair enough

on a related note, what method do you use to get high for max damage with headset (barring massive lategame stacks of movement items)

[fallen bridge]

90% of the time it is terrain, but survivor abilities & some movement items makes it more consistent elsewhere

though to be honest i use it more for the utility rather than its dmg

[marble magnet]

Can REX pillar skip with simpily a haddlight afterburner and a headset with his non damage mobility?

(no self damage)

[analog brook]

Yes!

They can skip with just headstompers and just hard light seperately

Buttt... try launching yourself three times up after falling from a ledge and THEN press jump mid air (;

[marble magnet]

Oke :D

I was just worried I'd be over estimating and stuff

Ido why I even do pillar skips I play monsoon

I think I just find them enjoyable

[analog brook]

They're cool! And they feel great to pull off

[marble magnet]

Yah

Ok another question

Do lockboxes spawn anywhere on commencement?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[marble magnet]

😭 I've wasted like 9 mins trying to find it

I have like 3 sale stars

I gave up on it I'm just gonna fight mythrix

I beat him

Easily

I took like maybe 1 hit

[vital timber]

So I’m going to take a gamble, Solider’s syringe is NOT useless on Artificer or Bandit (or similar) because they would instead decrease reload speed?

[mellow crystal]

Correct

[fierce bluff]

Isn't the static chef cleavers thing useless(the thing when you hold m1) cuz from my experience it deals damage so miniscule, that it's actually better to spam m1 when you have a lot of attack speed...

[mellow crystal]

It increases the damage of the cleavers when they return (iirc double damage) if you hold them instead of spam them

But yeah while they're actually being held they deal horrendous damage

[fierce bluff]

They should buff chef again

[frosty wyvern]

are all stack limits innacurate? the crit glasses say they max at a stack of 3, but having 10 gives me a 100% crit rate, whats up with that?

[lavish jacinth]

if you're referring to the "highest stack count" thing in the inventory, that's the highest amount you've found in a run, not the cap

[frosty wyvern]

oh, for some strange reason ive had 10 of the glasses multiple times but it still says 3 in the logbook

[lavish jacinth]

logbook is just being jank then lol

but most items don't have an effective cap unless it's something that can stack to 100% chance like crit

[frosty wyvern]

okay thats great to know, thank you

[vital timber]

Now be free and stack movement items until you can’t control yourself at all

[sour charm]

I remember having a bug that after I unlocked chef and rebooted the game, the game acted like I never unlocked him and still said i didn't have the achievement. Is that bug still there?

[lavish jacinth]

unfortunately yeah

[sour charm]

Darn, do I just have to unlock him again or is it most likely gonna happen again?

[lavish jacinth]

You'll have to unlock him again if you want him back, yeah. Not sure how likely it is that you'll get the bug again although #ror2-console-discussion might know

[sour charm]

Thank u

[kind inlet]

Any items I should prioritize for bandit?

[lavish jacinth]

bandit is pretty flexible so nothing too specific, total damage procs and multipliers are good as always. are naturally gonna be better on him since he can get guaranteed crits with backstabs, which also means is less valuable.
go especially well with desperado, and has a unique synergy with both specials where the blast inherits the slayer effect and enemies that die to it will reset cooldowns or grant tokens

[kind inlet]

Ight thanks

[kindred herald]

some awkward spots they can spawn at you might miss;

• in the pillar of mass tunnel and I think on top of it
• in the entrance hallway
• in the ‘seating’ of the pillar of blood arena (including behind a column so it’s hard to spot until you do a full circle)
• behind the pillar of soul area

[frosty reef]

Can also be right behind you at spawn :)

[rotund belfry]

if i'm on stage 6 and wanna do the void fields at stage 7 (for the MUL-T alt special), will the voidfields be considered stage 7 or still 6?

[frosty reef]

7

Stage should scale to 7 when you get to the bazaar and not scale when you enter void fields

[dapper ridge]

Guys, I'm on my 4th loop trying to find green portals, but everytime I take the green portal on the first stage, it doesn't spawn on Reformed Altar and I can only take the teleporter and go back to a normal stage

Do I have to go through the bazaar ?

[lavish jacinth]

uhhh you shouldn't have to, afaik you should always get a green portal when you're on path of the colossus

[dapper ridge]

Well, I don't that it might be a bug ?

I really searched for it to be sure I didn't miss it

[lavish jacinth]

probably, that's not a bug I've heard of though

do you have any mods that could be messing with it?

[dapper ridge]

I don't have any

[lavish jacinth]

hmm

[dapper ridge]

I just stumbled upon a Halcyon shrine on Sky Meadow, will it make me loop if I take it ?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[dapper ridge]

Ok thanks, I'll just end the run and unlock the character on another run then, 160 minutes is a bit long

[lavish jacinth]

for future reference, you can break the hidden geodes in the bazaar to get a guaranteed green portal, although they will only spawn if you're on a valid stage and haven't already visited path of the colossus

and supposedly if you get a green portal on stage 5 it can take you straight to prime meridian, which is likely a bug

[dapper ridge]

Oh !

[steady stone]

oh, and if youve already killed false son that run the path gets locked

[lavish jacinth]

kinda, iirc you can still get there but only if you use lunar seers

[dapper ridge]

I did

[steady stone]

these are the exact spawn requirements for green portal

[dapper ridge]

So that's why, I wasn't sure but nothing on the internet told me that

[lavish jacinth]

oh, that would've been good to know lol

[dapper ridge]

Some people apparently did so I thought I could

Internet lies I guess

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you're not supposed to be able to kill false son more than once, it's technically possible but not through the normal route

[steady stone]

maybe with lunar seer then, but green portals at least get locked

ill have to trust fax on that one lol

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, green portals won't spawn by normal methods but seers can still take you there

[dapper ridge]

Ok ok I see

The fact that I could a green portal on the first stage also confused me

[steady stone]

yeah, the "first" POTC map is a stage 2

and the portal still counts as progressing a stage

that's also why it wont (or at least shouldnt) spawn on stage 5, since there isnt a stage 1

[lavish jacinth]

a little weird that it spawns at all though, since killing false son is supposed to lock you out of PotC entirely

[onyx plume]

am i tripping or does shield items like psg prevents taking perm dmg in e8?

[vital timber]

What moon items are good on artificer (like what do they do and why are they good)

All I’m ever getting is Shaped Glass

[fallen bridge]

they do not, warped echo is the only item that outright ignores curse

dmg underneath a certain threshold (4% of max hp??) will not inflict curse either

[onyx plume]

oh shit i had echo

ohhhhh i get it

[fallen bridge]

glass is great if you are good at dodging, same w/ transcendence (replaces all hp w/ shield, & makes all healing items instascrap)
spinel tonic & 4 gesture is a free win on pretty much everyone (permanently boosted stats w/ almost no downside)

[onyx plume]

wait i just got safer spaces so i shredded the echo i had

but what is the correct decision? in e8

[fallen bridge]

from a moral standpoint yah, free curse negation is pretty powerful & almost broken
from a gameplay point, not really - dmg reduction items are pretty handy

[onyx plume]

i feel like safer spaces is objectively better and i should shredd echo since it only prevents like 1/3 of dmg

[fallen bridge]

having an extra layer of protection from curse never hurts

[onyx plume]

so keep both safer spaces and echo

was the correct move?

[fallen bridge]

that's what i do, yah

if you have opal, wecho, & spaces you take so little curse it's crazy

[onyx plume]

wait but having opal and wecho already reduces first portion of dmg taken low enough

[sly panther]

Speaking of Opal can someone tell me what it means by "out of danger"?

[onyx plume]

which makes safer spaces a little ineffective no?

would rather rock with regular bear at that point no?

[fallen bridge]

spaces' main point is how incredibly consistent it is

[glacial knoll]

wecho currently ignores armor so opal doesn't do anything, it also doesn't put you into danger so opal just stays there

[fallen bridge]

you never have to gamble on avoiding dmg

[onyx plume]

oh.... ok

[glacial knoll]

so essentially you got 13.5s cooldown saferspaces 15s warped echo and then Opal for when those 2 fail

[glacial knoll]

Out of Danger is dont get hit for 7s, same thing shield uses. idk if thats stated anywhere game

[vital timber]

Ok, so is spinal tonic only good with 4 gestures or is it a good option regardless

[sly panther]

Does the 100 armor only apply for the first thing to hit you?

[glacial knoll]

yeah

[sly panther]

Ok cool

[fallen bridge]

it's pretty strong even if you just save it for mithrix/dangerous situations but it is definitely not quite as overpowered

[onyx plume]

im reading a reddit post that was posted 4 d ago regarding this discussion

apparently medkit applies with every tick

[fallen bridge]

planula does, medkit does not

[onyx plume]

waaaat

[sly panther]

I basicaly only take it with full uptime gesture, but it can be good in other scenarios if you need like a major powerspike for something specific

[fallen bridge]

the initial hit will proc the medkit cooldown, but subsequent ticks will not reset the cooldown

[glacial knoll]

Spinel Tonic is like one of the easily best equipment without cheating 4 gestures

[sly panther]

For sure, just cant spam it in case of the debuff things

[vital timber]

That’s precisely what I tend to need in runs so bottoms up I guess

It’s like I have the damage but just barely not enough and given enough time I’m overwhelmed by enemies and then I die

It’s not even about shaped glass, I think I’m just fine at dodging and stuff with it

[onyx plume]

wait it seems like warped echo is bugged rn not only for ignoring armor

apparenlty one shot protection doesnt work?

with echo

[glacial knoll]

it also does that yes

[onyx plume]

💀

[fallen bridge]

you are really only overwhelmed when you don't have sufficient aoe by like stage 3, so maybe this is an item priority issue

[glacial knoll]

ignores e8 curse, ignores armor, ignores putting you into danger, ignores osp

they really just did a change and didn't think about it and it all got fucked up

[onyx plume]

so ideally would i want to scrap it before mithrix?

[vital timber]

More like a no gasoline or crowbars to be found issue

[glacial knoll]

I guess

[onyx plume]

💀

[vital timber]

Or similar
I love the Aoe items

[fallen bridge]

there are quite a few more aoe options than that, noxthorn runic lens etc. are all pretty nice

[vital timber]

The daggers are weak (I think) that fire on kill but again aoe is powerful with chaining right

Not the best but I like it being there

[lavish jacinth]

Daggers are pretty strong, they don't do much damage individually but they're really efficient

[fallen bridge]

yah daggers being guaranteed to hit + being 3x1.0 proc makes them chain super well

gas is a solid aoe option, stacks well & synergizes w/ igtank & noxthorn

[lavish jacinth]

their range is huge and they hang around for a while, and with clumps of weak enemies like wisps that might only take 1-2 daggers to kill, you can quickly build up a bunch of extra ones

the only caveat with on-kills is that it won't help against mithrix without

[vital timber]

Tank is a legendary item at this point I swear I’ve literally never seen it

[fallen bridge]

it is sotv-exclusive, so maybe that is why

[timid matrix]

Wait why does will-o-the-wisp look like that

[fallen bridge]

i think it is will smith

[timid matrix]

I mean
Sure I guess

[lavish jacinth]

[high forum]

the will (smith) of the wisp

[thorny steeple]

why cant i find the logbook entry for void fields

i went to the spot shown in the wiki.gg page and theres nothing there

am i missing something?

does completing the cell vents make it disappear or something?

[lavish jacinth]

it disappears after 5 minutes

[thorny steeple]

welp

thanks for letting me know

thought my game was bugged

[honest badger]

is exp shared?

[proven prairie]

i have 5 gestures and currently have a recycler, do i keep it or get tonic? (im playing void fiend if that helps)

[proven prairie]

in multiplayer? im pretty sure

[honest badger]

get tonic for sure

recycler is best but tonic with four gestures is a free win

[frosty hemlock]

any advice on completing the beat a prismatic trial without falling below 100% health as mercenary achievement

[proven prairie]

alr thx

[honest badger]

use cabbage's videos to sketch out the trial

[lavish jacinth]

helps a fair bit, damage to barrier won't fail the challenge

sometimes it's best to just wait for an easier seed if the current one is too hard, anything with glass is almost always doable and command helps a lot, and sometimes you can get an easy kin seed

[lavish jacinth]

but mainly this, it helps to learn the seed so you know what route to take or which chests will be useful

[kindred herald]

cabbage is a YouTuber who does every single prismatic trial for the merc achiebemnt

[lavish jacinth]

their stuff is pinned in #prismatic-trials

[frosty hemlock]

thank you this has been helping a lot

[graceful carbon]

watching a video and they did a “tech” with captain where they spam his special and m1 for alot of attacks basically, does that still work? vid was 2 years ago

[proven prairie]

whats a good stage to go to the void fields?

[steep basin]

Honestly I do it ASAP. The guaranteed legendary plus 4 whites and 4 greens are good for quickly building a good start

Plus later stages give you much harder enemies to fight plus the void fog plus enemies getting items to use against you is very dangerous for late runs

If youre going for voidling and dont wanna fight the two stages before him then there's a way to do it in the bazaar but it's weird

[kindred herald]

yes

opening the beacon menu cancels out captains reload for shotgun
sprinting exits the menu for beacons

[steep basin]

Oh really....... I had never noticed this

[south egret]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-skill-issue-captain-ror2-ror2-gif-23865346

[kindred herald]

i think you have to have the m1 beacon unused to do it but I forget why

[steep basin]

I lpbe the admiral skin touch

So much*

One of my favorites of all the things I've gotten

That and the railgunner monsoon skin

The meridian huntress is really cool too.

[south egret]

because you need to be able to attempt to deploy the beacon in an area that is impossible (off the map, sky box, etc.) and if you've already used the first beacon, when you m1 it doesn't "fail to deploy", it just doesn't do anything period. So the menu stays open and the tech is ruined

or something like that 👍

[kindred herald]

Oh right

[steep basin]

Im.shocked I haven't discovered this myself yet

[acoustic loom]

Hellloo. If i have the void dlc, can my friend experience the features (aside from the exclusive survivors) if they dont have the dlc? So like the stages, items, enemies, game mode?

[mellow crystal]

As long as they play with you yea

[acoustic loom]

Even the game mode?

[acoustic loom]

Cool. Thanks

[fierce bluff]

Why's flame aspect considered so good?Was always kinda overrated to me...

[crisp timber]

the ignite is 50% of total damage, and the fire trail provides a bit of crowd control

and of course, the synergy with the ignition tank

[cinder pasture]

how good is gensis loop on mercenary?

[crisp timber]

about as good as genesis loop on any character that's not engineer

so not very

[mellow crystal]

It is at least slightly better since i-frame spam makes staying at <25% safer

Still would reroll it with recycler tho

[crisp timber]

merc is also pretty soft, though

so the 25% barrier can be really risky

[mellow crystal]

rain

[crisp timber]

guh

[proven prairie]

currently playing commando in void fields what red do i take, nkhuhana, brilliant behemoth or scope?

[glacial knoll]

Behemoth best

[mellow crystal]

Behemoth is like top 10 or top 5 reds not because of special OP synergies or anything but just because it's always good

Everyone can benefit from a universal +60% total damage

[trim lynx]

the only real bad thing about it is that it doesnt stack great

which most reds dont anyway tbh

its a real nice one

[hoary sedge]

it also has some funny tech, with varying degrees of practicality

like it triggers on frag grenade floor bounces

and you can use it to bypass the boss immunity to

and it doubles expose stacks on merc

[tawny raft]

uhhm, hello??

did I skill issue or the game is just poopoo?

[high forum]

you're clearly just above the enemy in the first few seconds

[tawny raft]

I think I misunderstood and thought it'd matter if I aim down. welp ... guess not

[misty barn]

i unlocked the railgunner and the bug hero about a year ago but now i cant find them in the selection

[tender temple]

The what hero

Are you by any chance talking about the modded survivor chirr

[misty barn]

railgunner and acrid. i see acrid is locked but i was able to use it before.

[kind inlet]

what's the easiest way to unlock spider mines?

[misty barn]

im sorry i just realized im playing on a different account

[lavish jacinth]

Or if you don't have SotV

[fierce bluff]

I don't remember if this game has aim assist for controllers and if so, is XIMing considered cheating in the competitive side of this game/community (if that side even exists😳)

[high forum]

(there's not really a competitive side), but i think the console version has aim assist built in

[glacial knoll]

aim assist is a config on pc so i assume it'd be the same on console

[nimble panther]

am i tripping cus why tf is there a magma worm in the sky meadows (its not marked as a boss)

[high forum]

Boss-type enemies can spawn as regular enemies, given enough time.

[nimble panther]

i just got there

[nimble panther]

a that thing

kk

thnks

[lavish jacinth]

Difficulty scales with time and stage count

[lavish jacinth]

Also 24 minutes for sky meadow is pretty fast lol, it's best to full loot and not to rush stages

[nimble panther]

im speedrunning this run ig

[nimble panther]

nvm i died lol

[crisp timber]

somewhat expected

even speedrunners tend to take a bit longer than 32 minutes

and they usually get to stage 6 with closer to 50 items

[hoary sedge]

yeah getting items (and improving your items) is way more important than getting through the stages fast

[blissful night]

ok I know this is a dumb question but I need to know. for the equipment item that trigger your on death effect does it cause your Desperado to stack if youre playing bandit

[hoary sedge]

like obviously you still want to loot as efficiently as possible but spending time getting items will help a lot more than saving like 3 minutes

[hoary sedge]

nah it doesn't, fmp only activates items

[mellow crystal]

You're killing the fmp with unspecified damage source, not desperado

[serene summit]

hey, how can i play with more than 4 players in risk of rain 2?

i can´t open the command console.....

its possible without mods?

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure it still is, make sure you actually have the console enabled. It also won't work if crossplay is enabled so make sure you and everyone you're playing with has it turned off (assuming you're all on steam)

but if there is a mod for it then #ror2-modding would know

[tawny raft]

hey FaxMachine did you see this? I'd like to hear your thoughts

[lavish jacinth]

Dunno who Faxe is but I can still explain it anyway lol

Acrid's m1 hitbox doesn't extend downward very far and melee attacks can't be aimed vertically, that's all there is to it

[tawny raft]

woops, my bad, discord trolled me, I literally clicked on you 🤣

[tawny raft]

it's really confusing, my claws were literally going through it ...
I could only hit it upwards. I dunno how can I test things, but I mean this seems pretty bad. like I don't want to touch any melee if ror2's melee is this bad. like I'd get a few elite Brass Contraptions and it's just GG ...

I play Bandit and his M2 Dagger works absolutely as I expect it ... and it's also melee

[lavish jacinth]

It's hard to tell from that angle but I'm guessing you were hitting higher up than you thought you were, as soon as you dropped a little lower it started taking damage. And tbh I have the exact same issue with bandit's knife, it's one of the reasons I don't like using it lol.

Melee really isn't that bad, you do kinda have to get used to the aiming though

if you wanna test it you can get the hitboxviewer mod, most melee hitboxes are actually a lot bigger than you'd think (merc's sword like the size of a bus lmao) but a lot of them do have the issue of not reaching down far enough

merc's sword is also unique in that it's an active hitbox that tracks the movement of the sword, most melee attacks just instantly hit everything in a box in front of you. Probably because merc's sword is a lot bigger and slower than most melee attacks, and having a giant static hitbox would feel weird

...some enemies could learn a thing or two...

[steady stone]

ive found the thrust to be the worst part, ive died to it when the sword is returning and about to be finished

people were going insane over that hitbox tho, when it came out and was shown off

[quasi topaz]

Halcyonite casually animation cancels and full combos you with more damage you can image bc guilded scaling is way too overtuned

[steady stone]

i can go grab a little picture of the acrid hitboxes too, for reference

just caught up on the topic

[tawny raft]

I see, I was hoping there'd be some sort of a console command to like give creative mode or something, so I can test even without hitboxes. but I was just looking on youtube, I'm not sure if in 4 years things have changed (couldn't find much newer acrid vs vagrant) but for example I found this: https://youtu.be/_FtUHkbaeao?t=101

[steady stone]

on pc there is, but you need a mod to enable commands

[lavish jacinth]

Debugtoolkit specifically

[steady stone]

DebugToolKit just adds all the commands to use

[tawny raft]

I'd really appreciate it, if there's one for vagrant, that'd be huge ❤️

[lavish jacinth]

Nothing has changed about the hitboxes, I think the only thing that's changed about Acrid in 4 years is the way the sprint cancel works on his primary

you used to be able to just mash sprint to spam the first hit in the combo, now you have time it between each attack but it cycles the entire combo instead of just the first swing

[steady stone]

ok vagrant hitbox is just really low actually? not too bad but still

but generally the box doesnt go beneath acrid's feet, no matter his orientation

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't help that when Acrid is standing on top of it, his entire body tilts back because it's a curved surface, which also angles the hitbox upward

[steady stone]

yeah, just surprised the forehead doesnt have wiggle room like the legs

it's slightly lower than his very top actually

[tawny raft]

I see, I was kinda standing on like it's curve, a bit lower, is the yellowish green vagrant's hitboxes?

[steady stone]

those bubbles are just from poison