ror2-game-questions

[clear whale]

the rebirth shrine isnt here

[vast solar]

Any tips on using seeker and like with loadout? Trying to beat false son aswell

Nvm i just read the above lmao

Yeah and ill admit she is absurdly broken

Any thoughts on chef?

[main prism]

Could someone explain this game to me? I genuinely want to enjoy it but so far it's seemed really linear: kills mobs, pick up everything you see but the effects aren't even that exciting imo. It's really highly rated so I feel like I'm missing a core part of the gameplay. For reference, a similar game that I do enjoy is magic survival on mobile where you actually have to make decisions regarding your build.

ive seen printers and scrappers around, but I'm not sure how to properly utilise them

Also I think I have around 10 rounds

[glacial knoll]

Different characters, unlock stuff just kinda learning what items are good on what survivors

[lavish jacinth]

that's pretty much the gist of it, ror2 is mostly about the fun horde shooter gameplay and character variety. There are some fun items to experiment with but it never gets to Isaac or Noita levels of buildcrafting

[main prism]

ah, items and builds is what I generally enjoy about these sort of games

[lavish jacinth]

items are mostly designed with randomness in mind so you really don't need to create a super specific build to win, and it's actually best to get a mix of things so that their effects can build off of eachother.

[main prism]

ive seen some people online duplicate a bunch of some specific items and thought maybe it had something to do with those

[lavish jacinth]

printers will always take scrap before other items, so they allow you to get rid of stuff you don't want and prioritize things that you do, it's about as simple as that

[main prism]

i see

[lavish jacinth]

builds in ror2 tend to be pretty broad and flexible
a simple example would be a proc chain build where you just mix and stack different on-hit effects so that they multiply each other, like etc.

but there's no specific way that you have to set that up and there are tons of ways that you can add to it

[kindred herald]

But there’s still choice in whst to scrap, what to print, whether you find a scrapper and what items are best on what character
(As well as various macro level decisions like waiting to open multishops until end of stage in case you get , waiting to open large chests in case of sale Star, etc)

but the game is very winnable without that

[lavish jacinth]

^^^ there is some decision-making but the combat is ultimately the focus

[main prism]

alright, thanks guys

[pulsar halo]

is it intentional that the flying lunar chimeras cant be frozen by railgunner's alt R?

[round crane]

@mellow crystal wanna play

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[pulsar halo]

little stupid but alr ig

[lavish jacinth]

They're just assholes

[quasi topaz]

If I'm designing a flying death machine that can tear you apart with bullets in a matter of seconds id make damn sure that they can't be frozen (I don't remember if arti and chef freeze work on them but probably not)

[pulsar halo]

put the perfect being itself (mithrix) can be frozen? 😭

[frosty reef]

it honestly might be due to chimera wisp being in a constant "sprint" state. Like how elders/mithrix don't get frozen if they sprint through arti wall. Not 100% sure though

wouldn't account for when they're mid attack though most likely

[quasi topaz]

Mithrix has what I assume to be flesh and blood, the wisp has jet engines and dual apache machine guns

[pulsar halo]

what about the tank?

[quasi topaz]

The tank can be theoretically frozen to the ground (I'm bullshitting reasons)

[lavish jacinth]

Ngl it might be unintended but they've always been that way so I assume the devs want it like that lol

[quasi topaz]

Can you check the properties of them

Like how halcyonites have VoidExplosionImmune

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, I can't, but I assume someone could

But even if they don't have a hard immunity to freeze, freeze itself just seems inherently inconsistent

[mellow crystal]

gimme like 30 mins ye

[round crane]

YAYYSAS

[quasi topaz]

Its a broken mechanic so it having inconsistent activation is fine

Enemy can't do anything and you get a free execute bar

[lavish jacinth]

I mean yeah, it's okay the way it is

[normal trellis]

I just played ror2 for the first time and am pretty confused. Am I supposed to farm the whole map/gamble all the shrines etc. as that makes the boss pretty hard. Even dealing with the adds with the difficulty bar(?) on insane/impossible is so slow. Last run I could not deal any meaningful damage to the two bosses while dealing with the onslaught of the mobs

I would show a pic but won't allow me to

[lavish jacinth]

The idea is to be as efficient as possible, a good rule of thumb is to get at least one item per minute

[pulsar halo]

that's the fun part :)

managing your time and the amount of items u get

[lavish jacinth]

Enemies get stronger over time but you get stronger with items

[quasi topaz]

Always move is the general rule of thumb

[normal trellis]

Oh so it scales by time played not mobs killed/items received

[quasi topaz]

Yes

[lavish jacinth]

Time and stage count, yeah

[quasi topaz]

Think of it as the planet adapting to your presence

[normal trellis]

I spent 46 minutes in that stage 💀

[lavish jacinth]

It's also okay to spend time messing with printers and scrappers and stuff, basically you just want to always spend time on things that'll hopefully make you stronger

Yeah uh, don't do that lol

[normal trellis]

Tbh, 30 minutes of that was boss

[quasi topaz]

I usually don't go more than 10 minutes per stage and that's pushing it

[normal trellis]

I knew it was bricked but I was too stubborn to reset lol

[lavish jacinth]

It'll get easier as you start learning stage layouts too. You can find stuff easier and can plan a route that lets you check the whole stage without backtracking too much

[lavish jacinth]

Also you need a role to send pics, #roles

[vast solar]

Any tips for chef? I just unlocked him

[normal trellis]

Struggle reincarnated as a picture

[quasi topaz]

Get his alternate abilities ASAP, he's not bad as stock but he feels so much better with alt abilities

[pulsar halo]

oil em up before burning them

[twilit hollow]

Hey man i cant find crossplay option anywhere😭@lavish jacinth

[vast solar]

Cause its not a thing lmao

[pulsar halo]

settings gameplay first option

[quasi topaz]

Keep crossplay off imo. Makes the game run worse

[lavish jacinth]

First page of settings at the top

[vast solar]

wait crossplay is an option?

[lavish jacinth]

...unless you're on EGS and not steam

[lavish jacinth]

Only on PC between steam and epic games

[vast solar]

Ah

[lavish jacinth]

And only barely, it's a glitchy mess that doesn't work lol

[quasi topaz]

Pc doesn't want the patented console jankiness anywhere near it

[lavish jacinth]

And hardly anyone plays on EGS anyway so 99% of the time it only causes problems

[vast solar]

I dont really see jankiness on console tbh

[pulsar halo]

wish they would release console crossplay </3

[round crane]

u back or smth

[lavish jacinth]

That's a decent amount of items for 2 stages but yeah, 46 minutes for stage 2 is not good lol

Huntress has pretty low dps but it's not that low, stone titan definitely shouldn't take 30 minutes to kill, so maybe you just weren't playing aggressive enough

[vast solar]

Question is there an aggressive survivor? But is not insanely op? Basically balanced

[quasi topaz]

Mercenary

[brittle shuttle]

46 minutes stage 2 question mark emoji

[normal trellis]

Yeah there maybe was a chance if I had started to focus the bosses instantly but found it pretty hard when adds start swarming me

I think the bar was one before insane when I started the boss

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, you just gotta get used to that. Toss a glaive at em and run

[quasi topaz]

When charging the teleporter if you get it to 99% enemies will stop spawning so if adds are giving you trouble try that (and spamming m2)

[lavish jacinth]

Most fodder enemies have terrible aim and won't hit you if you just keep moving

Drones also help a lot by drawing aggro

[lavish jacinth]

Huntress is naturally good at dodging, plus you had an energy drink, two bucklers and a hopoo feather, so you did have some really good ways to avoid damage here.

Obviously not helpful now but for future reference

[quasi topaz]

I assume no triple blink as well so movement was kinda limited to the energy drink

[twilit hollow]

It was off by itself

And the black screen is still there

Im losing my mind gng

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, regular blink is still good

And they had a feather

[lavish jacinth]

Welp
#ror2-tech-support might be able to help but responses there are slow, check pins first and be sure to mention that crossplay is off since that's probably the first thing they'll suggest

[mellow crystal]

i'm hopping on now yea

[round crane]

EYASYSA

@mellow crystal question

if we go for the fun combo of swarm sacrifice and command

does sale star work on shipping request

cause when i did it with an other guy it didint work

[mellow crystal]

it's a multishop and not a chest so no

[mellow crystal]

anyway 109775243884696884

[round crane]

uh so what mode

im thinking simu again

[mellow crystal]

simu sure

[round crane]

but no artifact of um

no artifact of no shops and chests

[vast solar]

Tbh i missed out on him to go fight false son too many times lmao(i meant to reply for mercenary)

[quasi topaz]

Ethereal achievement on console is going to be an experience

[normal trellis]

Okay second try went better lol, killed the stone titan in under 10 seconds

Turns out, entering the boss with the same amount of items but with just hard difficulty makes it a bit easier

[quasi topaz]

A quick tip would be to avoid picking up lunar items when just starting out

[vast solar]

Nah id win

Tbh i just want a character thats just balanced not too bad nor op(merceneray might be it)

[vast solar]

Why did i send that again

[quasi topaz]

commando, huntress, bandit, mul-t, mercenary, artificer, rex, railgunner, and chef are all balanced options

[vast solar]

I thougjt bandit was op lmao

Same goes with mul t

But thank you

[quasi topaz]

He can be with desperado but it takes time to get going

[vast solar]

Any thoughts on captain?

[quasi topaz]

Really good just lacks movement ability

His passive is the source of a lot of his power

[vast solar]

the microbots?

[quasi topaz]

Deletes most projectiles (including Shockwaves and pillars of fire from mithrix) and the microbots extend to drones

[vast solar]

hm ykw thats fair also any thoughts on the new dlc coming out? Apparently its the largest expansion (thats what ive heard atleast)

[quasi topaz]

Looks good rn as far as enemy and stage design goes

Not enough info on the rest for me to have an opinion

[vast solar]

Im more worried on the price lmao

i hope its not too much for a dlc

[quasi topaz]

Just wait for steam sales

[vast solar]

im on console lmao

[round crane]

@mellow crystal what

where did u go

[quasi topaz]

This is your sign to switch to pc

[round crane]

or maybe where did i go?

i think her power went out

anyways im going to eat

[quasi topaz]

Move stuff like this to dms in the future. Try not to clutter questions channels

[vast solar]

Not enough money lmao (i know get a job. but cant in my country im still 17)

even though im figuring its the same price tho

cause the survivors of the void dlc is large and its the same as the seekers of the storm

[quasi topaz]

I remember seekers being more expensive than sotv

[vast solar]

for ps its the same

[quasi topaz]

Ah

[vast solar]

Nvm

Seekers is 20 dollars

Survivors is 15

[brittle shuttle]

Same price for me

[steady stone]

Regional pricing

It's not like $60 in Poland anymore or whatever it was on launch, but it's still not perfect

[vast solar]

Yeah for dlc its a bit much lmao

[round crane]

poland?

[quasi topaz]

I remember seeing reports that it was in the hundreds for some countries

[round crane]

a dollar is like 3.8 zł

but got it on discount

[normal trellis]

So whats with the map "bosses" that spawn in addition to the portal boss

Do they always spawn at later stages or at certain timer or how do they work

Like the ascended gold guy that tosses rocks or the big mech

[quasi topaz]

Large enemies can just spawn based on what stage you're on and how much time has passed

[normal trellis]

Aight

And does base game end at stage 5? Mithrix bonked me sadly

[glacial knoll]

bosses are just enemies that cost a lot of points for the game to spawn

[quasi topaz]

If you choose to not loop you can end at mithrix or go back to where you spawned on the moon and fight voidling (if you have the void dlc)

[glacial knoll]

nothing that directlry triggers anything

[normal trellis]

Alright ty

And one more thing, is it expected to be at the last difficulty phase timer (what is it called) on´stage 5 or was I again too slow

[quasi topaz]

Scaling depends on difficulty

[glacial knoll]

no one pays attention to that timer

it's more so the actual time to compare

like is it 60 minutes is it 30 minutes

Most runs would enter stage 5 between like 25 and 35 minutes

[normal trellis]

I see

[glacial knoll]

Time matters, quite a bit, but items and drones matter more

[normal trellis]

I entered stage 5 at 45 minutes and then played super slow and carefully as it couldn't scale more

[glacial knoll]

but also just do whatever you feel like

Being slow or having a bad run can be dealt with if you know, mostly just running away and hoping damage up over time

if you have fun with that then yknow

Some people spend 10s of minutes scrapping and printing others dont scrap at all

[mellow crystal]

it can scale more btw

enemy scaling is based on the level counter on the difficulty thing, not the bar

[glacial knoll]

The bar is just for the funny really

[normal trellis]

Ahh ok

[kindred herald]

I think playing 5 minutes per stage is 2025 is a mistake

full looting is soo much better

[prisma creek]

is the Halcyon Shrine guaranteed to spawn in stage 1?

[brittle shuttle]

Not guaranteed but theres a very slim chance it doesnt

They cost 0 credits to spawn stage 1 so vast majority of the time theyll spawn stage 1 but if the stage credits perfectly take up all available credits then it wont spawn

[prisma creek]

that explains why I couldn't find it then

I thought it was, good to know

[brittle shuttle]

Every time it spawns youll see something in chat

“You hear thunder rumbling” or wtv

So if that doesnt show up dont waste time trying to find it thinking its just well hidden

[woven reef]

Any tips on how to get better at 's mobility?

[hoary sedge]

it's mostly just practice, but there is a bit of tech you can do. the easy one is that quickly throwing a second mine instantly detonates the first one, and you can use the slight recoil from the m1 to sustain the momentum from a mine launch

you can also do a huge launch with cryocharge by charging it, throwing a mine, shooting right as the mine goes off, and then shooting m1 in the opposite direction of where you want to go

[lime ermine]

when does the new dlc release?

[hoary sedge]

when it's ready

[pallid mirage]

I got seekers storm and holy seeker is fun

[timber wolf]

Best character fr fr, its also the most broken character 🥀

My first solo monsoon win, probably won only because of my crazy luck, i got a few really good reds, lots of green and grey items and even a fire band printer

Getting brilliant behemoth and frost relic really was pretty op as seeker

Also 4 warped echo’s just (almost) didnt let me die

[pallid mirage]

Seeker is peak frfr

[timber wolf]

Way too op🥀

Can’t see any other survivor being better

Literally infinite shield

And even if you do somehow die

YOU CAN SELF REVIVE!!!!!!

This is not okay

[vast solar]

Tbh i used chef and im fighting mythrix as im sending this and about to head to bed as im still in a run and i can proudly say hes better than i expected him to be

Am i gonna get my butt whooped by mithrix? Maybe but atleast i can try to get the secondary ability

[fast briar]

Chef is good and lowk contender for my fave survivor atp hes too fun

[vast solar]

Word bro if u use noxious thorn + tri tip dagger AND the death skull item its over bro

[fast briar]

Yeah they cooked with his rework fr fr

[vast solar]

Frrrrr

When u use his “yes chef” ability your abilities switch

Which one would he considered to use?

After using “yes chef”

[steady stone]

There's a bug where the alt M2 has two uses, boosted M1 does insane insane damage but only point blank
Those are the notable two honestly

[fast briar]

Also charged bouncing ability is good too

[blazing galleon]

hey guys i was fing around with aerolt (debug menu mod) and i found a bunch of unused equipment in the menu have they always been there

[honest badger]

define always ig?

a few were added in sots

[blazing galleon]

here, i thought it could be something cause overloading excavator is one of them and alloyed collective mines and stuff

[celest karma]

sry if this is a dumb question but do u guys have any tips for finding scrappers... sometimes i go entire runs without seeing any even though i try to clear out all the chests

[lavish jacinth]

there aren't really any tips for it besides just keeping an eye out for them tbh, they appear in random spots just like normal chests and aren't guaranteed to appear, so not getting any may just be bad luck

[celest karma]

thx i thought they were guaranteed lol

[opal cobalt]

I play ror2 on ps5 with a dualsense controller, the controller uses its speaker to make noise indications, I find that specifically annoying and was wondering if there was any in game setting that moves this sound from the controller onto a different speaker?

[lavish jacinth]

no idea, but #ror2-console-discussion might know if nobody here does

[urban grove]

should i get seekers of the storm or survivors of the void

[fair sequoia]

buy sotv first

[urban grove]

k

[brittle shuttle]

Up to you

Both are good

[mellow crystal]

Storm if you enjoy survivors and a good final boss, void if you enjoy items

In terms of stages they're both fairly equal

And void enemies are better than storm enemies but a lot of people dislike both

[onyx plume]

how would acrid and bandit duo itemize?

or are they decent duo in the first place to begin with?

[clear whale]

acrid for crowd control... bandit for single target damage....

[weary flame]

Is there a way to make the game use more PC resources ? Sometimes I'm barely hanging on with like 45 fps, but at the same time my CPU is only at 50% and my GPU is at like 60%. I wish the game used more of my PC to lag less

[lavish jacinth]

how much memory is it using? ror2 isn't overly cpu or gpu intensive, but RAM could still be a bottleneck

[weary flame]

I dont remember now but it was not 100%

Could be that tho
Thanks

[quasi topaz]

Another thing to check when experiencing lag is internal temperature

If your device is too hot it can degrade performance

[steady stone]

canned air is pretty cheap, gotta open up your computer every once in a while for maintenance

[chrome mist]

does using palm blast charge up your other abilities like tranquility does on seeker

[primal vector]

Yes. The only thing you dont get is the revives

[fathom hatch]

How important is time?

[lavish jacinth]

It matters, but items matter more

[steady stone]

Not as much as items. Don't do the 5 minutes per stage

[lavish jacinth]

1 item per minute is a good rule of thumb

There's no specific amount of time to aim for per stage, just full clear as efficiently as you can

[fathom hatch]

Oki thanks

[fierce bluff]

Are all the logs for non hidden realms random?

[daring cloak]

No, hidden realm logs are literal logbooks hidden in a specific spot that you need to find and collect

[fierce bluff]

NON hidden realms

[daring cloak]

I cant read

[fierce bluff]

do they all need you to find a scanner?

[daring cloak]

No

Commencement has a logbook too

[trim lynx]

commencemnt and prime meridian are in set spots

:)

[fierce bluff]

Thanks

[daring cloak]

I mean prime meridian is basically a hidden realm

[trim lynx]

kinda?

ig yea it is

maybe

[daring cloak]

The only thing that it doesnt share with other hidden realms is that captain can use his shit in prime meridian

[trim lynx]

you also dont access it from a unique portal

but yea, time is paused there also

[daring cloak]

green portal question mark

[trim lynx]

you use the green portal for the other stages on the path too so its not a unique one

a portal nontheless tho!

[tender temple]

Is It though

It's not a different dimension

[daring cloak]

I mean yeah lore wise but gameplay wise its pretty much exactly like a hidden realm

Or commencement

Since time is stopped there its kinda like a mix of both

[glacial knoll]

Hidden Realm when it's a timed stage a sometimes timed stage a just normal stage twice

bonus level

[honest anvil]

is irradiant pearl luck affected by clover? my friend has 57 pearls and 22 irradiants with 1 clover while i have 115 pearls and 26 irradiants with no clover.

[glacial knoll]

it isn't

[honest anvil]

time is important, but items matter more. Like, way more.

[honest anvil]

guess im unlucky

[glacial knoll]

no you're normal luck

idk what the hell hes got going on

[tender temple]

Does your friend run any suspicious Minecraft modpacks by any chance

[honest anvil]

he's in australia.

also what is going on

[glacial knoll]

Common Prayer Beads desync

your game thinks you have less max health than you should

[jovial adder]

anyone wanna play?

[lean urchin]

Made it to E8 for my first time ever on huntress, any tips?

[honest anvil]

interesting. it still works and regenerates like regular osp so

[glacial knoll]

damage is done server side so it's a visual bug only

[quasi topaz]

Do what you normally do, just be more mindful of things around you to avoid perma damage, and I can't stress this enough get a pillar skip

[prisma creek]

does the final boss ||steal the halcyon seed item on 4th phase||?

[peak jacinth]

as in mithrix? no

[prisma creek]

yes mithrix. The aurelionite was in the arena, I thought he was the one who instakilled me

but then it was something else

[peak jacinth]

no aurelionite actually helps you in the final phase of mithrix

it was probably just mithrix who killed you because he had all your items

[prisma creek]

I have no idea honestly, I'm still a noob

[peak jacinth]

mithrix is really really strong with player items so

[prisma creek]

could have been one of his balls from behind

or one of the items triggered without me being aware

[marble magnet]

Sorry for the blur but erm

Does this say frall or frail? I genuinely can't tell the TV screen makes it weird

I'm assuming frail but

[livid wedge]

I honestly can't tell where the words are supposed to be

[fresh umbra]

“survivor.. i remember you’re genocides”

[lavish jacinth]

Well based on that screenshot it says ⬜

[peak jacinth]

yea there are no words in that image

[lavish jacinth]

(The name of the skin is Frail btw)

[marble magnet]

Ight

Sadly my phone camera is shit at TV light so uh yea

Thanks though on my tv screen the i looked like a l

[tall wedge]

is there any difference between having that yellow border with the symbol or not having it when selecting my dlc?

[fallen bridge]

no difference, it's just used in multiplayer for rule voting

[tall wedge]

ohhhh okay, thanks!!

[earnest bone]

why is our tag gup and not geep

[steady stone]

Gup has the most associated with him, with things like the gup bean bag

this is in circulation somewhere
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559901230005092363/1206646463682191481/Untitled-3.png?ex=685d7d17&is=685c2b97&hm=8116146a5fb8062224289a1624c4cbb00fd463544a9a65266c8884558383c800&

that and a bunch of YouTubers have it i believe

[lapis yew]

basic things to keep in mind when learning the game? ie. things that are easily forgettable, things that the game does a terrible job of showing new players, things that worked for you when learning how you specifically play

on about day 4 of playing for a couple hours a day

[fallen bridge]

items always outweigh time - e.g. always full loot stages & spend time scrapping, printing, & using bazaar/commencement item soups ... on monsoon, stages tend to take around 8 minutes but this can vary a lot!!
also make sure to prioritize mobility like & (if you have the dlcs)

[lavish jacinth]

the biggest one is the importance of getting loot, ideally you want to full-clear stages as much as possible

the game likes to constantly remind you that difficulty scales over time, but it just sort of assumes that you'll figure out how important items are lol

[steady stone]

scrapping in "hopes" of finding something better is never useless because of the Cauldrons before each final boss, would be my biggest tip.

[fallen bridge]

(mobility speeds up looting & allows you to dodge much easier)
also familiarize yourself w/ the items & how they work ... knowing what items to prioritize for each survivor helps a lot

[lavish jacinth]

1 item per minute is a good rule of thumb for time management, but it's okay to spend time on stuff like printers and scrappers or whatever. Basically you always want to be spending time on things that'll hopefully make you stronger overall

[lapis yew]

thank you fax machine, i'll no longer use email to show my appreciation

[north moth]

Question: If i loop using the portal in stage 5, can once is there a way to still fight the final boss instead of just getting evaporated?

Also, how do i fight the boss for survivors of the void?

[clear whale]

theres a chance for a purple portal to spawn after looping

[north moth]

Looping with the portal specifically?

[clear whale]

nope

teleporters after you loop have a chance to spawn with a purple orb

you can also clear the void fields and go to the void portal

[north moth]

Ohh

Okok thanks

[round crane]

hi

[normal marsh]

How did I die through safer spaces here?

[lavish jacinth]

there were probably two wisps following you that hit you at the same time, it's really hard to tell though

and/or some sort of multiplayer jank

[round crane]

wanna play with me?

[normal marsh]

?

[round crane]

simulacrum

[normal marsh]

No, not particlarly

[round crane]

why

[normal marsh]

Why would I want to play with some random stranger

[round crane]

🙏

its litterrally the thing you do on #lfg-pc-ror2

[normal marsh]

Good for the people in that channel, but that's not the channel we're in rn.

[proven prairie]

What are good items/items I should be looking out for while playing captain? (I don’t have any of the dlcs)

[trim lynx]

proc/on hit items are good on him!

also move speed items cause of the lack of mobility

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much the same stuff you'd take on commando, mainly proc items (especially bleed), attack speed, etc

[trim lynx]

also having a wax quail is nice for dodging i find

[lavish jacinth]

he also has a much better band proc than commando so those are good to keep an eye out for (and beacons can weigh down the buttons on aqueduct, so he can get guaranteed bands pretty easily)

drones are also extra useful if because his passive makes them inherit microbots

[proven prairie]

Alright!
Any items I should be looking out for in particular like blue items?

[trim lynx]

hooks of heresy is pretty nice ig

[lavish jacinth]

synergizes really well with his primary if you find yourself not using beacons much, and is nearly a straight upgrade over taser, but otherwise nothing special

[proven prairie]

Alright!

Thank you

[lavish jacinth]

stuff like are also good as usual, if you can manage their downsides

it's hard to give recommendations for good lunars since they can vary a lot depending on your build

[kindred herald]

Good lunars are good

[round crane]

@lavish jacinth tell me some items i should pick choose on loader simulacrum

[kindred herald]

Good items

Speed and damage

[proven prairie]

How much max health should I have before I pick up shaped glass?

Or do I pick it up whenever?

[kindred herald]

Shaped glass is alsways a good item engage it doubles your damage

However it is obscenely good and will warp the balance of the game

[proven prairie]

alrighty thx!

[lavish jacinth]

sorta depends on how much speed and defense (and skill) you have, there's not really a specific amount of max health to aim for

[proven prairie]

Ok

Thx

[lavish jacinth]

uhh usual loader stuff (backup mags, focus crystal, crowbar, bands etc) plus usual simulacrum stuff (proc chain items, on kills, etc)

[lavish jacinth]

so basically just good items yes

[round crane]

would voidsent flame work

also polylute or no polylute?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah probably

with polylute I don't think it really matters, AoE is really nice to have in simu but polylute is so strong that it can make up for the tradeoff

and if you're using artifact of command then you could just get instead of uke

[round crane]

why instead of

[lavish jacinth]

I meant if you end up taking polylute, you can take meat hook to get basically the same effect as uke

meat hook is pretty much just a better ukulele anyway

[round crane]

uhh ok

so polylute and meethook

also what about frost relic

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Frost_Relic even the wiki says its good

[lavish jacinth]

frost relic is also fine

[round crane]

brainstalks maybe?

[lavish jacinth]

it's normally kinda mid but maybe it would be alright in simulacrum

I've only ever done a handful of simulacrum runs lmao

[round crane]

why not do one with me 🙃

also dagger has proc coefficient of 1 so it would be kinda good?

[lavish jacinth]

it would also be very good yes

[round crane]

@lavish jacinth runic lens is SOTS 😭

[kindred herald]

Frost relic is mid there are better relics to be spending your time on

[round crane]

for example?

[kindred herald]

Clover, afterburner, meat hook, drone parts, icbm

[round crane]

oo hardlight afterburner

with brainstalks i would constantly have saitama punches

[round crane]

say yes

[round crane]

also i dont have drone parts

[lavish jacinth]

no thanks

[lavish jacinth]

can't get drone parts in simulacrum because there are no drones

[glacial knoll]

*because it's blacklisted specifically

[round crane]

mhm

also

what yellows?

[lavish jacinth]

any of the usual good ones

[round crane]

mhm

[lavish jacinth]

can be fun too

[round crane]

also

would the corrupted fuel cell work

so i can spam zappers

[lavish jacinth]

you can only have 3 pylons out at once, but apart from that yeah

[round crane]

okay

more proccing power

time to begin the run

[round crane]

@lavish jacinth ?

[lavish jacinth]

uhhh
if you aren't using your primary much
can be fun, it takes 7 syringes worth of attack speed to offset it (assuming you only take one stack)

can technically be alright on loader but you need to stay grappled pretty much constantly

[kindred herald]

Transcendence means you never need to take a healing item again
Corpsebloom enhances healing pretty well as long as your strategy isn’t contingent on out healing literally everything
Mercurial rachis imo is very fun especially in simulacrum but nobody shares my opinion because it’s mid

Shaped glass is one of the strongest items in the game because it doubles your damage and halves your health

[round crane]

uh

imo seems like none are good imo

[kindred herald]

Transcendence is exceptionally good

[steady stone]

No healing means you can scrap your healing for more damage

[round crane]

hi jiji

wanna play im not far into the run

[steady stone]

No, I'm at a dorm.

[round crane]

uh idk what is that but ok

[steady stone]

A college, I'm busy

[round crane]

ah okay

[trim lynx]

short for dormitory :)

[devout hedge]

place you live at during university

[round crane]

mhm

the enemies got oddly shaped oval

what does that exactly do

i need that

green void

what to take?

im thinking band cell or polylute

[round crane]

@lavish jacinth if ur there

uh im taking polylute

[stable beacon]

Stupid question but does lunar shop reset the stage? (As in if you’re in stage 5 then you won’t go to stage 6 being the final boss)

[steady stone]

No, you'll loop when you take Newt on 5

[round crane]

if u go into newt in stage 5 u will loop

I WAS FIRST

[steady stone]

Anything other than the celestial teleporter

[round crane]

@steady stone grey common

i think um needletick?

[steady stone]

probably

[round crane]

ah k

[steady stone]

Loader won't be able to get any value on needletick, especially without proc chains

[round crane]

wait..

i dont have 57 leaf clover

[round crane]

what red do i take?

@steady stone if ur online

[quasi topaz]

[round crane]

why?

[quasi topaz]

Become a walking lightning emitter, ukulele but automatic

[round crane]

like the yellow vase?

[quasi topaz]

Combo it with so nothing can come near you

[quasi topaz]

Just pick tesla coil up and watch it do its work

[round crane]

ok

now i took frost relic

another red

[quasi topaz]

Could do or

[round crane]

@quasi topaz 😞

[quasi topaz]

Enemies won't make much use of it considering they'd have to kill you or one of your drones

[round crane]

ik thats why i used 😞

another red @quasi topaz

i think im gonna take 2 more frost relics

[quasi topaz]

could be interesting or just grab whatever or stack what you already have

[round crane]

i got an green void item

also i got 9 bands

[quasi topaz]

Get a and then grab a

[vast solar]

D-damn

[round crane]

can be procced by ukulele frost relic coil etc.?

and can proc ukulele for example?

bro thats an infinity loop

right i gotta have shield

[fallen bridge]

not exactly, items can't proc more than once* in a proc chain

[quasi topaz]

+ is the proc chain build

Not as great for lower fire rate characters but since you're on command you have coil to supplement it

[nimble cove]

whats some good boss items to grab on bandit?

[daring cloak]

Shatterspleen

[round crane]

i got another red wat do i take

icbm i forgor

[quasi topaz]

[quasi topaz]

[round crane]

@quasi topaz ima take next i think

[woven reef]

what does this do?

[kindred herald]

Grants the abilities of overloading (blue shield elites)

Half your hp is shield and your attacks leave a orb that deals 50% of atks damage

very very good

[woven reef]

Thats nice

[round crane]

i want that

[quasi topaz]

Rare drop from overloading elites

[round crane]

i know that 🙏

[full osprey]

Do Mags increase Lunar Spike count for the sake of False Son's achievement?

[daring cloak]

No

[quasi topaz]

No, the achievement specifies t must be through growth

[daring cloak]

It has to be 40 extra spikes gotten through growth

[full osprey]

Fair enough, time for more Infusion grinding

[round crane]

@daring cloak why did u change ur name?

[daring cloak]

Meaning you have to get 44 total

[daring cloak]

I... wouldnt recommend that

[quasi topaz]

If you just want the achievement just stack

[full osprey]

I'm on Sacrifice Swarm Command

So shouldn't take too long

[daring cloak]

Was just a funny joke for like a day

[quasi topaz]

You need about 9.3k hp

Just spam

[round crane]

am i doing good @daring cloak ?

[daring cloak]

Yeah

[mental slate]

Is the railgun weak point anywhere inside of the red square are a specific point inside the square

[round crane]

anywhere in the square

thats why hitting wisps not in the weak point is hard

[mental slate]

I see, thanks for the help.

[round crane]

np railgunner is my most played char and the only one i beat mithrix with haha

so i know a bit about her

[round crane]

@daring cloak what is this

[daring cloak]

Oh thats the elite aspect of celestine elites

[kindred herald]

Its pretty bad but its really cool

[steady stone]

It's an Aspect. Allies in the radius are invisible

[round crane]

u mean @mellow crystal elites?

[daring cloak]

Sure

[steady stone]

It does basically nothing for you but helps your allies

[round crane]

dang

could have been a good one

[daring cloak]

But its a cool trophy

A t2 elite aspect is pretty rare

[steady stone]

aspects are never the best, you use em because they're rare

[round crane]

the fuck

[daring cloak]

I myself never got spectral circlet

[round crane]

why did mithrix spawn?

[daring cloak]

Oh yeah thats a rare event in simulacrum

[round crane]

i got a red item so idgaf

[daring cloak]

Unlock ballista

[kindred herald]

Ifrits distinction and silence between two strikes are both cracked

[daring cloak]

But if you really cant get ballista just try to focus on dodging attacks

[steady stone]

don't hold your arrow rain, shoot it instantly or you're vulnerable floating there

[kindred herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2_HwIlQmmM

[steady stone]

same with ballista but

your M2 is your biggest source of dmg without ballista

good proc, damage, and can proc bands

[round crane]

@steady stone the fuck

[steady stone]

but for Mithrix generally go for a proc chain with M1. If you can get a lot of ATG, Stickies, etc, your M1 is very consistent

They naturally spawn late game, starting at stage 4 or 5 iirc, but very very rare that early.

[round crane]

i keep getting rare items or sum?

[steady stone]

Other than that there's the guaranteed ones on stage 4s (not sirens though)

[round crane]

bruh first i get a 1 in 4k and then this

this is aqueduct

[daring cloak]

Idk what it is with legendaey chests on simulacrum aqueduct

[steady stone]

probably can't spawn other shrines and builds up more credits

[daring cloak]

I once got 2 legendary chests on the same stage, being simu aqueduct

[steady stone]

there's only blood on aque right?

[daring cloak]

Chance too

[round crane]

guys what red do i take

maybe aegis

cause i got the bloom lunar

[steady stone]

clover would help

[round crane]

i dont have it

[kindred herald]

No

[steady stone]

[round crane]

im thinking another scorpion or mask

[steady stone]

spare drone parts would be good if you built some drones

[round crane]

uh theres no drones

[steady stone]

err, they don't spawn in simu huh

[round crane]

no drones + cant pick it

[daring cloak]

Cant get that in simu

[glacial knoll]

theres no chance shrines in simu

[daring cloak]

Oh right I for- WAIT WHAT

WHY

[glacial knoll]

all simu stages have the same interactables you are just gaslighting yourself

[steady stone]

id probably just stack another ceremonial dagger

[steady stone]

the one simulacrum player comes to save us

[round crane]

nah id win im going for disc cause it has the best scaling in the game if it goes to dmg cause +1000% per stack 🤓

[round crane]

did you just say simulacrum player? 🧐

[steady stone]

icbm would probably scale better since it also is affected by your ATG stacks tbh

[round crane]

plasma shrimp stacks

also too late 😆

[quasi topaz]

Stacking gives more streams of missiles

[round crane]

may i ask how?

[steady stone]

This is not true.

[pallid mountain]

hey what's the fastest way to get gesture of the drowned because I still don't have it unlocked

[steady stone]

Only the first stack gives +2, the rest give damage only

[steady stone]

Stage 6 Titanic plains

[glacial knoll]

turn off dlcs go to bazaar stage 5 and go to plains, use artifact of swarms

[steady stone]

Rex boop can help or primordial cube

[round crane]

another augment of mithrix lmao

[pallid mountain]

wouldn't primordial cube kill the hermits before...?

[steady stone]

not really, just the pull from the orb

just avoid crazy uncontrollable proc

[pallid mountain]

mkay

I was just wondering if I could do it rn (I'm playing with mods)

[round crane]

ouch

[daring cloak]

Cube doesnt deal damage

[steady stone]

yeah, all unlocks can be done with mods

[round crane]

at least i got a high best

[steady stone]

there's even a mod specifically to unlock

[pallid mountain]

tempting

exceptionally tempting

but no.

[steady stone]

don't fall for it, this game is so fun to 100%

[round crane]

now its time for captain

[pallid mountain]

my integrity is still intact, worry not

[steady stone]

hold that integrity for Mercenary: Ethereal

[pallid mountain]

but it honestly came up because I picked up spinel tonic and then sat there rerolling the bazaar until I remembered I didn't have gesture unlocked

[pallid mountain]

I'm just gonna wait for an eclipse run where transcendence is available early on

[kindred herald]

Transcendence doesn’t work iirc

[steady stone]

Blue shields count as taking damage, orange overhealth is what you want

Also for the huntress unlock

Since it's "falling below 100% HP"

[pallid mountain]

well no

because transcendence makes it so you have 1 base health

and a shit ton of shield

[steady stone]

That's just magic, the game still doesn't care

Your health is whatever the first number is in the eyes of the game, for transcendence

[pallid mountain]

they fucking nerfed transcendence i can't believe this shit

[kindred herald]

This has never been true

[steady stone]

it's been like that since forever

[pallid mountain]

bruh

I have been lied to

I am immensely

[daring cloak]

Yeah shield is part of your 100% health

[pallid mountain]

...unhappy.

[kindred herald]

You might have heard about barrier which is like from topaz brooch and etc

[pallid mountain]

yes I know what barrier is

[daring cloak]

Barrier is like 100% on top of your actual 100% for up to 200%

[pallid mountain]

yes

I know

anyways

why did they nerf void fields

[steady stone]

Because it was quite literally unbeatable on a handful of the cast

They buffed it originally and then nerfed it because it was absurd

[daring cloak]

I dont think the vields damage scaling was entirely intentional

[pallid mountain]

i meant nerfed as in they made it so that time isn't stopped in certain points of void fields

[pallid mountain]

of this i am aware

[daring cloak]

Like they said it'd be like simu but weaker but it ended up being way stronger

[tender temple]

did simu get affected by the dmg nerf or was it one of the mods i had

cause i was playing it recently and any form of healing let me just explore the entire stage

[glacial knoll]

arguablly buffed because like 2 minutes on the timer is less bad than +1 stage

[pallid mountain]

hm

[kindred herald]

I do miss the sky meadows scavs

[glacial knoll]

Yeah I think Simus fog was lowered heavily

[pallid mountain]

why did they remove scavs on sky meadows

[mellow crystal]

Dw we still have sundered scavs

[kindred herald]

Going to vields used to increment stage count so sky meadows would be stage 6 which counts as a loop which means scav

[pallid mountain]

oh yeah forgot about that

you know I feel like I haven't seen any scavs

I did a run last night and the only scav I saw was the twisted scavenger

[round crane]

I am spike now

anyways gtg

[pallid mountain]

hey is it worth giving up one of my pearls for this or nah

[brittle shuttle]

Absolutely not

[pallid mountain]

ok 👍

[round crane]

how do u have the pearls?

they dont even show up in command essence

[quasi topaz]

Throw lunars in cleansing pools

[round crane]

I havent seen any pools

[steady stone]

The spawn pools are stage dependent, and also probably because you're on simulacrum. They're common on Aephelian Sanctuary

Also on Treeborne, I believe

[quasi topaz]

My connection rn is complete garbage so I can't get an image, just Google "ror2 cleansing pool"

[steady stone]

Same, but they're quite literally little circular pools of water. Dark-ish

[vast solar]

Anyone knows some tips for fighting false son with captain?

[steady stone]

Maybe the height of a small chest

[quasi topaz]

They look like tires with water in them

[steady stone]

Timed diablo can destroy any boss that summons in a set location

[vast solar]

What if i dont have diablo

[steady stone]

uhh build a good balance of move speed

or else you'll get caught off guard by the laser and not be able to get away

since you have no movement skills

[pallid mountain]

you have to throw lunar items into cleansing pools

[steady stone]

iirc captain still doesn't have beacons on meridian so that doesn't matter either

but maybe he does, since he has diablo. id have to look that one up

[pallid mountain]

one of these things

[fallen bridge]

yah, he does

you can skip pretty much all of p1 & nuke auri on p3 if you have her

[round crane]

Bruh ik that where to find them

[fallen bridge]

treeborn & aphelian are by far the most common spawns

[fallen bridge]

prioritize mvmt speed - phase 1 is the biggest issue because you can't get away from dash/slam if you don't have mobility ... if you don't have speed then you're kinda dead? you can use the columns & geodes to block false son but that's dicey

[steady stone]

you need consistent healing too, like wungus

hell, i could even consider bungus while hiding from the laser

[pallid mountain]

aphelian sanctuary, sulfur pools, rallypoint delta, etc.

[fallen bridge]

honestly being near geodes & using them if you're expecting to be hit can alleviate most of the need for healing

[steady stone]

but captain can keep a good distance and just spam shotgun on full spread

[unkempt ocean]

Yuh

[steady stone]

honestly not keeping a good distance from FS has me shell shocked, I keep randomly losing 90% of my health from his lunar spike blast when I play close

learn the hard way not to be close

[fallen bridge]

it's literally impossible to not be near fs if you don't have mobility 😭

[steady stone]

melee survivor i mostly mean

trying to play acrid when i get turned into swiss cheese

all of those spikes can hit at once and devastate you

[fallen bridge]

yah, i normally just like to play around pillars & take cover if i see the spike anim start to play

[steady stone]

oh, and remember shotgun cancels your sprint, but that doesn't mean you cant sprint with shotgun. just get in the mindset of toggling it on every time to maintain speed

[pallid mountain]

what thefuck

I was like a mile away from him what

[steady stone]

The debuff lingers, and the AoE is massive

[pallid mountain]

bruh

why does he need to have an aoe the size of alaska

I guess I've never left a grandparent alive long enough to actually be an issue before

[quasi topaz]

Best thing you can do is get in any area with shade

[steady stone]

it's meant to pressure you in a way that damage can't, but is balanced by being a LoS attack by a stationary enemy

[glacial knoll]

When the Void Field nerf that isn't even a big nerf makes Simulacrums Fog 25x less dangerous 🔥

[pallid mountain]

I wasn't able to get to one in time :dead:

[quasi topaz]

As loader?

[steady stone]

He does it at half health, so prepare for that

[quasi topaz]

You could have just jumped under the map and grappled to the island

[steady stone]

If they used grapple and punch to engage and hit the hp threshold I could see it

[pallid mountain]

sir I was not playing as loader

[quasi topaz]

Looks like loader on phone, didn't read the text mb

[pallid mountain]

oh ok

[mental slate]

I just came back to the game and was wondering if engi could still have more than 2 turrets? I remember he could do that

[glacial knoll]

You're either thinking of Lysate Cell, which intentionally gives him a 3rd turret or a bug with dios that was fixed

[mental slate]

I see, lysate cell was a void item right?

[glacial knoll]

yeah

[glacial knoll]

Simu damage was nerfed, almost certaily unintentionally

I hope the devs added it to list

[mighty current]

Question about lore:
Did there is a reason why ror 2 doesn't have some enemies of ror return like Archaic Wisp, Ancient Wisp, Ifrit, etc??
Or it's just they don't implement them

[daring cloak]

Yeah its kinda just lack of implementation

[glacial knoll]

They didn't want reskin enemies like Arch Wisp, Ancient Wisp was considered but cut due to Hopoo struggling to make it work

Both Ifrit and Ancient Wisp might be dead in lore but that's generally secondary to gameplay

Clay Man is quite finished but yeah idk maybe they thought just too boring

[mighty current]

yeah that seem logic (I hardly see Ifrit in game and make it work smoothly)

[mighty current]

I know they're still mention of Ifritwith the elit fire equipement (Ifrit distinction) so mabe

[mighty current]

For clay man they replace them by Clay Templar so we can potentially say they upgrade them x)

[mental slate]

Dose the clones from goobo jr (I think spelled that right) also have your items or no?

[mighty current]

yes he have your item

[glacial knoll]

He does not get any items no

[mighty current]

really ?

so i am blind TT

[round crane]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/REX:_Dunked what does it do?

[fallen bridge]

it gives you an alt utility that deals dmg instead of weakening, & costs hp to use

[round crane]

what does it exactly do

[fallen bridge]

same as the default utility, but does 550% dmg & costs 25% hp(?), but does not weaken enemies

[round crane]

mhm'

whats the cooldown

[kindred herald]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/REX#Bramble_Volley

[pallid mountain]

this is a good run right

it seems really good

[pallid mountain]

I have been so absurdly lucky this entire run

[gaunt bough]

What is bushwacked challenge

[fallen bridge]

rex's alt secondary unlock challenge

i think you just have to stay under half hp for the full teleporter event?

[gaunt bough]

Ohhhhh yeah

The one I got oh so long ago

[rapid current]

What is this

[chrome mist]

is it normal for gups to spawn on this stage tthis early? ive never seeon one on this stage

[fallen bridge]

yah, they do but it's rareish

[gaunt bough]

Do engineer turrets inherit tonic affliction

[indigo glacier]

they do

and they don't get tonic buff either so you can cripple your turrets with them

[gaunt bough]

Ok but what if I like keep on drinking it like gestures

Cuz i would do thst and mithrix would take my gestures and I'd immediately have like 20 affliction but if I as engineer dont get affliction can my turrets get it still

[tender temple]

if you never get any afflictions it wouldnt be a problem

[gaunt bough]

Ok

So they only inherit what you currently have

[tender temple]

but if you do then the equipment being constantly triggered doesnt matter since the turrets would still be affected by the stacks of affliction

they only copy your items and tonic afflictions for some reason count as an item

[gaunt bough]

Yeah i guess its balancing

[fallen bridge]

only reason it's counted as an item is so it persists between stages

[tender temple]

so they copy the affliction if you have any and since they cant be affected by the equipment itself they cant get rid of the debuffs

[gaunt bough]

Also does Ben raincoat only get rid of 1 negative affect or all stacks of a negative affect

Effect*

Also i dont know about yall

But squid polyp kinda goated imo

[lavish jacinth]

Polyp is super underrated

[gaunt bough]

True

Considering it scales with the enemies' level its actually viable in monsoon

Its VERY viable

Especially when playing as captain or engineer and you get healing beacons

[lavish jacinth]

And it can only remove one stack of a debuff at a time per stack, I think

[gaunt bough]

Cuz i have the ror2 index app which is like my go to when im playing modless and forget smth

And it says 1 debuff

[lavish jacinth]

Although iirc it only prevents debuffs from being applied in the first place rather than removing ones you already have

[gaunt bough]

Ok

[lavish jacinth]

Did you throw a remote at your screen, wtf

[agile crystal]

brother

just screenshot and download it from the xbox app

if thats even a thing

[opal notch]

Hey guys

I'm trying to do Monsoon as railgunner to unlock the skin, any tips on what I should build next? I can't post screenshot here, is there a channel where I can?

Or someone who can help out, who can DM me?

[lavish jacinth]

you can post a screenshot if you have a role, #roles

[opal notch]

Thank you!

[gaunt bough]

What are you going for

The million dmg?

[opal notch]

I just want to be able to either obliterate or kill mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

that's not bad, leeching seed is a waste though lol

[opal notch]

no just the skin

[gaunt bough]

Are you doing all natural skills or are you using dmr

[opal notch]

DMR, that's the right click scope right?

[lavish jacinth]

is it the one that reloads or the full auto one

[gaunt bough]

Yesh

[opal notch]

I have all default skills

so reload

[lavish jacinth]

ok

[gaunt bough]

Ok then you should get some backup magazines as they will allow you yo shoot multiple times before needing to reload

[lavish jacinth]

eh

[gaunt bough]

Also some defense or hp

[lavish jacinth]

only the first shot gets the bonus damage from perfect reload, so backup mags aren't all that great

[opal notch]

yeah I feel like I would love to safe it with some defensive/hp items

[gaunt bough]

Infusion would be nice

[lavish jacinth]

it wouldn't hurt to have some watches for another damage multiplier

[crisp timber]

why do u have a leeching seed tho

[opal notch]

havent unlocked watch

[lavish jacinth]

would be good too, armor on demand is nice

[gaunt bough]

Also harvester scythe would be neat if you hit crits alot

[lavish jacinth]

it's unlocked by default

[opal notch]

idk I picked it because I wanted something that heals, I'm pretty new

[lavish jacinth]

yeah leeching seed is pretty ass lol

[crisp timber]

you got 4 slugs. you're chilling with heals

[opal notch]

good to know

[crisp timber]

and you mainly want a lot of speed anyways. better to just never get hit in the first place

[lavish jacinth]

leeching seed is only 1 hp per hit

[crisp timber]

like personally, i would say like, 2 slugs max and then 4-5 hoof/drink, since you're on command

[gaunt bough]

Railgunner converts crit chance to dmg so laser scopes and lens maker glasses would also provide increased damage output against weak points

[opal notch]

I'm at the bazaar should I trade in 5 greens for a legendary?

[lavish jacinth]

lensmakers are pretty shit on her tho

[opal notch]

yeah I never go lensmaker on railgunner

[lavish jacinth]

she only gets a 5% damage increase from them

[gaunt bough]

5% more dmg isnt alot but its alot when it stacks up all the other dmg increases

[lavish jacinth]

I'd say you're fine with what you've got

[crisp timber]

reasonably speaking, you should be fine with this current build. you're 1-shotting everything at this point

[lavish jacinth]

it's really not worth it compared to pretty much any other dps increase

[gaunt bough]

Yeah i think you should begin focusing on speed or defense

[lavish jacinth]

especially since they've got command and can just take watches or sticky bombs or something

[gaunt bough]

As mithrix can be very hard for railgunner to get a good lock on

[opal notch]

Should I get another legendary?

[lavish jacinth]

nah

[gaunt bough]

None would be needed

[lavish jacinth]

I also just noticed, it looks like you might've skipped the guaranteed red on stage 4

[crisp timber]

not worth risking your bands

[gaunt bough]

You should focus on speed for mithrix as being able to run across the arena allows you to put distance between you and him and more easily hit his weak point

[opal notch]

Didn't know there was one, how do you get that?

[gaunt bough]

Different on every stage

[pallid mountain]

Guys is it worth it

[lavish jacinth]

depends on the stage
abyssal depths and sundered grove always have a legendary chest hidden in pre-set spots, on siren's call you get one for beating the secret boss

[pallid mountain]

drop exec card for ifrit's

should i

[crisp timber]

its stage 12 at this point you can afk

[lavish jacinth]

I think you're at a point where it doesn't matter lol

might as well just for the novelty ig

[pallid mountain]

fair nuff

[crisp timber]

get it for drip might as well

[lavish jacinth]

ifrit's is basically +50% damage and it benefits from ignition tank

[crisp timber]

like do you even see enemies at this point

[lavish jacinth]

then again it's damage over time so enemies will probably be dead before it matters lol

[opal notch]

So I should build:

White: Crowbar/Syringes?
Green: Infusion (How many?) > Missile/Bands/Ukukleles?

[crisp timber]

white -> speed first, then damage
green -> NO INFUSION. bands, missiles, ukes

can you get sale star on command
nvm thats sots

[opal notch]

Ok, should I get hooves or energy drinks?

[lavish jacinth]

for whites I would go , in that order. You've got enough crowbars

[opal notch]

aight cool

[lavish jacinth]

if you want defensive greens then is what I'd use, but otherwise bands, atg and uke for damage, yeah

[vast solar]

Okay so through pain and agony i got the diablo strike on captain…now how do i beat false son with it?

[crisp timber]

I'd personally say drinks first, then you can look at hooves. the actual difference is pretty small, though

[lavish jacinth]

they've already got some energy drinks

[opal notch]

do you think I should go for obliterate or mithrix? I've only killed mithrix once on normal difficulty. Also I find myself taking longer on sky meadow compared to rest, should I try to set a time limit for myself in terms of looting?

[lavish jacinth]

hoof is a smaller bonus but it's constantly active which is pretty nice

[lavish jacinth]

nah, always go for full loot

[crisp timber]

but how often is railgunner not sprinting

[lavish jacinth]

there's no specific amount of time you should aim for on stages, just try to get everything as efficiently as possible. One item per minute is a good rule of thumb

(you're also playing command so being perfectly efficient isn't a big deal lol)

also up to you if you wanna obliterate or fight mithrix, obliterating is generally a lot easier, but you're on a command run with good items, so mithrix shouldn't be too difficult either

[lavish jacinth]

just gotta learn the timing so that you can drop it on him as soon as he spawns

...I would tell you what the timing is but I don't know it off the top of my head lol

[vast solar]

No its fine thank you im just glad i got the dang ability now cause i swear it was so painful

[pallid mountain]

...you know this could be really funny

[crisp timber]

300 backpacks yes

[opal notch]

any yellow items that could be good for me on the monsoon run?

[lavish jacinth]

are generally top 3, or if you have .
But molten perf is best for railgunner specifically (or cores + sdp)

[opal notch]

one of each right? instead of stacking any

[lavish jacinth]

charged perf has a bug where it can't crit on railgunner, and spleen's blood explosion doesn't work if the enemy dies in one hit, and doesn't benefit much from bleed on crit

spleen and charged perf are still really good if you get them in a normal run, but since you've got command, you might as well go for molten

molten also benefits from

[crisp timber]

molten is also technically AoE, which is what railgunner struggles with most

[lavish jacinth]

that too

[lavish jacinth]

it wouldn't hurt to throw in a charged perf for fun, but definitely prioritize

[pallid mountain]

I ACCIDENTALLY GAVE MY ASPECT TO A DRONE

welp guess I'm aspect farminf

[lavish jacinth]

or y'know, you could take a bunch of stacks of or something just for shits and giggles.
It's a command run, you don't HAVE to take the best option every time, you can afford to dick around if you want lol

[gaunt bough]

I usually take little disciple as railgunner as I usually prefer speed over defense and disciples help me not die when running away

But yknow whatever you want

[opal notch]

but would it be better to have two molten perf over molten perf + something else? If you had two yellows

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it does stack well

[crisp timber]

I might prefer disciple 1 over merf 2

[lavish jacinth]

but mixing items is also good yeah

and again, it's a command run, so it's pretty hard to go wrong. Even if you pick something awful you can always just get more good items later

[opal notch]

how many ukuleles/atk missiles/bands should I go? Is there a ratio? Is there a soft cap

[pallid mountain]

yeah so i won

[lavish jacinth]

ukulele sorta has a soft cap of around 19, since at that point it hits 41 enemies and there's an enemy cap of 40.
But that's already way overkill, you usually don't need more than like 3

[gaunt bough]

Ukuleles can chain to +2 enemies per stack and +2meters away from each other

[pallid mountain]

holy shit.

[crisp timber]

there's a bit of a cap on ukes. You'll rarely need to hit more than like, 6 enemies at a time. Bands and missiles don't really have a cap, but try to keep them around similar to another?
so like, cap 3 ukes. stack bands + missiles as much as you want

I'd personally go like, uke 1 -> fire band 1 -> atg 1 -> whatever you want because at this point it doesn't matter anymore

[gaunt bough]

Runald band and atg missles will be best for stacking high amounts of

[lavish jacinth]

the only downside to stacking bands is that they still have a cooldown, so once you have enough that they're reliably killing everything, having more isn't going to help a ton.
With atgs you can kinda have as many as you want tho

But yeah, past a certain point it doesn't matter

stack for the funny

[gaunt bough]

Also is there a dumbed down version of how growth works and stacks with lunar spikes with false son and how to utilize them cuz my brain isnt braining on the wiki

[opal notch]

wait so I shouldn't go for both bands?

[crisp timber]

refer to the table
1 stock = +1 spike / +0.5 stakes

[crisp timber]

you should. I just put fire bands first cuz it's aoe

ice band if you're struggling with single target/boss, fire band if you're struggling with aoe

[lavish jacinth]

they synergize with eachother, fire does more damage but the slow from ice keeps enemies in the fire tornado for longer

and they both do a lot of damage overall

[gaunt bough]

And stocks also apply to lunar spikes right

[lavish jacinth]

although if you decide to fight mithrix I'd say prioritize ice band, he's so fast that even with the slow he can dash out of kjaro's tornado. Unless you use to hold him in place or something

[gaunt bough]

And the instant laser or is that like 1 stock every 5 stocks for lunar coins

Also would backup mags just count as a free stock

[crisp timber]

stocks are 1:1 for spikes.
laser is +1 per 4 spikes from growth
backup mag doesn't count as a free growth stack for laser

[opal notch]

what's the best legendary for railgunner without expacs? haven't started playing with them yet

[gaunt bough]

So does backup mags count as an extra stock

[lavish jacinth]

1:1 for spikes
2:1 for stakes
4:1 for laser burst

[gaunt bough]

So backup mags can literally give me extra special charges with enough of them

[lavish jacinth]

no, it only gives extra uses for your secondary

[gaunt bough]

Ripi

[lavish jacinth]

backup mags aren't counted for his growth mechanic

[gaunt bough]

Does it apply to the effects lunar spikes give

The speed and dmg and stuff?

[crisp timber]

yes

[gaunt bough]

Cool

[fallen bridge]

probably but if you have proc items

[crisp timber]

I like hook :)

[gaunt bough]

Ngl

Sentient meat hook is funny

And black hole is really fun for railgunners special

[lavish jacinth]

are pretty much universally good, just depends on what you want
clover for more procs, behemoth for raw damage, the rest for crowd control in various forms

[gaunt bough]

Asking for a friend for this one can you only have 1 Diablo strike being called down at a time

[fallen bridge]

you can have infinite

[crisp timber]

you can have multiple

[gaunt bough]

Ok so afterburner for the funny

[lavish jacinth]

for mega funny

[crisp timber]

hst is kinda particuarly good for railgunner since the bounce mines give you height and you're already building bands

it's just kinda wonky that you turn from a super range character to a melee build

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[crisp timber]

fabled focus crystal railgunner

[lavish jacinth]

also just for completeness, + any sots reds (particularly runic lens) are good dlc choices

scope has better synergy with crowbar and bands than behemoth, SDP and ICBM are just really good in general, and the SotS reds are all good but Runic Lens benefits a lot from high-damage attacks

[opal notch]

thanks for the reply guys

once I'm loaded on a stage is it a sound strategy to do the teleporter and explore/loot after that?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, loot first

enemies stop spawning once the teleporter is at 99% so you won't be able to get any more gold after it's charged, outside of combat/blood shrines

[crisp timber]

you could leave a couple chests left over for after tp, but it's safer to just full loot first

if you have sots, for instance, it's not uncommon to leave a large/legendary chest until after TP in case you get a sale star from the boss

[lavish jacinth]

fun fact, enemy gold drops scale in real time while chest prices only update at the start of a stage, so farming actually gets more efficient if you hang around longer

but if you just rush stages, chest prices will keep catching up and you'll constantly be struggling to afford anything

so it's always better to loot as much as you can

[opal notch]

what is safest, going for obliterate or mithrix?

[daring cloak]

I'd say obliteration is usually easier

[rapid current]

No it just appeared on my screen

And also idk if it matters but in summoned a demon at my home

[lavish jacinth]

I mean it's clearly some sort of visual bug

no idea how that happens though lol

[rapid current]

It only appears when i look to the sky at a certain angle up near the teleporter

At stage 10

The purple stage

[lavish jacinth]

ohhhh wait, maybe I do know

[vast solar]

Is there a moment i can use diablo strike on false son? Like where hes idol? The only moment i can remember where he goes idol is when the laster starts but idk if i can hit him

[rapid current]

Also what reds should i get whit commando

[lavish jacinth]

the stage 5 teleporter has a shallow pool of water in it, and it causes some weird visual effects when the camera clips into it

[rapid current]

For fun things

[crisp timber]

Wake of Vultures :)

(Clover)

[rapid current]

I alrd have 8 or 9

[crisp timber]

what 😭

[lavish jacinth]

when in doubt, any of these + any sots reds

[rapid current]

And i can get inf red bc regen scrap go brrrr

[fallen bridge]

other than timing one before he spawns it's mostly just prediction

[crisp timber]

id also add hammer and scorp i think. commando shoots fast enough to make use of them

[gaunt bough]

Does anyone know the bug of why Diablo strike sometimes doesn't land

[lavish jacinth]

ah yeah

[mellow crystal]

Start of p1 you start moving forward when the cooldown is at 30 seconds and start of p3 try to time it to the music

[gaunt bough]

My friend streaming and used Diablo and it did the area circle thing but the kinetic shot didn't visually come down and no visible dmg was done

Is it just a bug or is smth happening thats stopping diablo

[vast solar]

Oh thank you so much

[rapid current]

Can the ceremonyal dagger proc and can it crash the game ( or does it have a limit of knifes)

[mellow crystal]

Ofc, always glad to help
Especially with fs since I've practiced that fight way too much 😭

[steady stone]

1.0 proc coeff on dagger

[lavish jacinth]

yes, and maybe

[rapid current]

Does it have a limit