ror2-game-questions

[steady stone]

Time scales the enemy levels BUT so does stage count, so you are doing better scaling-wise to full loot in that regard too.

[slow urchin]

So I full loot early and then start gunning it?

[steady stone]

Generally I'd say full loot every stage, once you get experience it can be down to 5 minutes per stage but dont rush it

[slim spoke]

when you feel like you can commit slaughter, yes

[slow urchin]

I have like 30 hours

[steady stone]

The more OP you are from early game the faster you kill things late game anyway, meaning you can full loot the second half of the game faster

[slim spoke]

dw i do 10 mins stage 1 all the time, just relax

[steady stone]

yeah I've definitely done 15+ before even with a few hundred hours

[slim spoke]

15? woah

[slow urchin]

Not even I do 15 minutes

[slim spoke]

also jen you should try the godspeed achievement if you want to play commando ... safer

[slow urchin]

Which one was that because I might have did that already

[steady stone]

if there's a lot of micro management like with printers yeah

[slim spoke]

stage 2 teleporter done in under 10 mins

[steady stone]

printing doesn't necessarily add items but is still possibly beneficial in general to your power level depending on what it is

[slow urchin]

Yea might’ve done that on easy mode

[slim spoke]

since when did printers add items

[slow urchin]

I never liked printers imo

[steady stone]

doesn't add items, I said, like in terms of your total item count

[slim spoke]

i only see them as "replacing" not "adding" tbh

[slim spoke]

always print the sunglasses (except you are playing bandit, which goes the opposite)

[steady stone]

they can make or break a run depending on what's in there, and worst case you can use your scrap on the cauldrons before the bosses

[steady stone]

bro you cannot flame me for something you misread 😭

[slim spoke]

im not good at english ok?

like how am i even supposed to interpret "necessarily" in a sentence

[steady stone]

yeah, sorry sorry
meant the comment in a playful tone

[slim spoke]

its ok

i get these kinda fault all the time

[slow urchin]

you meant this?

[slim spoke]

yup

so apparently i got it wrong, sorry

mistook it with what you needed to do for [REDACTED] achievement

[slow urchin]

Oh I found out about that yesterday, gonna try and go for it

[blissful reef]

do director credits double when in multiplayer

[steady stone]

it's not quite "doubled" but

the monster director is much more complex though

[radiant pecan]

Hey so what's the max possible damage number in one hit? I think I reached it cuz I stacked 40 additional shaped glasses and it hasn't gone up at all. Im at 16.6 quintillion max damage in one hit btw

[steady stone]

well you can definitely go higher, the numbers that display eventually will overflow to 1

with uhh 1000000000 watches and 127 glass rn it seems to work fine

[radiant pecan]

Do you know when it overflows to 1 tho? Cuz me and a friend are competing to get the max damage we can in one hit, but the bragging point is the visual at the end of the game lol

[lament valley]

Will the developers add new achievements in the Steam for new relics and character abilities?

[steady stone]

oh, well the overflow is only visual, the numbers and stuff still work fine internally
like bosses will eventually display -2.4billion on the healthbar

i can definitely try to eyeball the range quickly, though

[radiant pecan]

I used a combo of prayer beeds and shaped glass, I hit 16.6 quintillion with only 20 shaped glass and I still had about 1k health this way

[steady stone]

it takes between 111-115 glass to overflow to 1, until then it just says "998M" every hit

i will say though, it might vary on XBox

i know for consoles, for example, the overflow of a boss healthbar makes it say "-/-" instead of "-2,147,483,648/-2,147,483,648"

[steady stone]

oh, using railgunner supercharge i should clarify

[radiant pecan]

Thx

[raw aspen]

Can someone dm me the amount of time you’d need to stay in sojourn without damage increasing items like delicate watch or focus crystal. I just want to know what I’m in for working with the worst case scenarios

[nocturne sierra]

I’m sorry if this sounds stupid but is the path of the colossus (green portals) supposed to be harder than not taking them, because in one of the threads for feedback people are saying it’s choosing to take harder stages, I just feel like they arnt harder though, so do people consider them to be a more difficult route?

[mellow crystal]

Elder lems can appear on the stage 2 and halcyonites, xi constructs, and brass contraptions can be on the stage 3 so that's probably a contributing factor

[nocturne sierra]

But also for aphelion sanctuary and sulfur pools you get like several hordes of 10 blind pests. And you get templars, and apothocarys,

[mellow crystal]

I mean blind pests and apothecaries are simple enough, just be mindful of your movement
They're mostly just annoying

Templars are a good skill/knowledge check but they also appear on the potc stage 3 so

[nocturne sierra]

Apothecaries arnt that bad, but when you get alot of blind pests it can be annoying

I just feel like templars stage two is crazy

[steady stone]

The item count plays into the path as a whole, since you fight false son with less stages completed compared to fighting mithrix on 6

I'd say that's one of the biggest factors to the path being harder

[mellow crystal]

iirc the full enemy pool (pre-loop since I don't loop) for the potc stages are
Stage 2: Beetles, lems, lesser wisps, beetle guards, elder lems
Stage 3: Alpha constructs, beetle guards, clay templars, clay apothecaries

[nocturne sierra]

That’s valid but I don’t really take prime meridian often

[mellow crystal]

Also the fact that Fs is just the hardest boss as a whole
So on top of the lower item count you also have a major skillcheck

[nocturne sierra]

You forgot blind pests and blind vermin

[steady stone]

oh yeah, it felt like 50/50 whether you could even beat him on launch since his attacks were hard to recover from

[nocturne sierra]

On stage two

[mellow crystal]

Right

[nocturne sierra]

Oh and the bells

It just feels like elder lemerians are easier to deal with at stage two rather than dealing with a Templar at stage 2

[mellow crystal]

That's mostly just a per-player thing I'd say then
Templars mostly just have you be cautious of your positioning or know how to properly bait them, I never had a problem with aphelian after getting enough hours in

[nocturne sierra]

I mean that’s not wrong but also if your playing a show character it’s hard to dodge them with the little cover on aphelian

[mellow crystal]

True but most of the slow chars have the tools to deal with that
Captain has tazer, engi has turrets, arti has ion surge, freeze, and stunning/freezing m2

[nocturne sierra]

True

[mellow bronze]

you can make templars never attack you by moving back and forward between the range of their two primary attacks. if you're close enough they do that close AOE attack and if you are too far they start gunning you down
you just have to know where this range is go and go towards them when they prep their gun and go back when they stop it, then they will never attack you

or if your character has a stun skill just use that

individual enemies are never a problem to me usually because my character has the best stun in the game

[raven marlin]

anyone know about a void seed bug? it sayas theres 1 monster remaining but the arrow isnt showing up at all and we cleared the entire stage

[opal kernel]

is the 3rd dlc predicted to release 2025 or 2026?

[high forum]

2025

[earnest bone]

you would need to stay in sojourn for approximately 16.6 minutes without damage increases to get 500,000%

assuming you wanted to do it on one enemy

[terse mesa]

do some environment logs require certain conditions to appear or am I Just Unlucky?

[livid egret]

I apologize if I sound stupid But what does it mean by “triple your passive benefits” with the new meridian’s will ability ?

[steady stone]

this is your passive on

[livid egret]

I don’t mean to sound rude but I know what the passive does I was only confused by what Meridian‘s will did

[raven marlin]

it triples the benefits

[steady stone]

yeah, like the numbers

visual demonstration with LookingGlass, you can see my armor/regen increase

[terse mesa]

[scarlet marten]

How can I effectively get the 3d models out of the game? I won't pirate or anything along those lines i just want to make a small animation for a school project

[steady stone]

@full apex I remember you use something to look into the game for all the code and stuff, would that have the models? (iirc it's ok to ping, but pardon me if not)

i cant remember the name of the application for the life of me

[scarlet marten]

I saw something like that on a reddit thread, but I got a lot of error messages and none of the models

[full delta]

Bro how did you get a seeker challenge done as false son?

[steady stone]

oh i dont plan on actually playing the new update, so i used RealerCheatUnlocks to get all the new stuff for testing purposes
had to get the new FS ability for the question

[full delta]

Nice

[slow urchin]

How do you kill grandfather?

[icy path]

Why can the wifi go out, then I lose the ability to play the dlcs?

[high forum]

if you're on xbox, it's because the license to the DLC is tied to an internet connection unfortunately

[raw aspen]

The protein heavy diet doesn’t work does it

[south egret]

2025?? That was fast!

I hope the devs are getting good time to rest in between work

[raw aspen]

I have like 42 lunar spikes through just growth, the only thing I can think of is certain items not working. Can someone explain

[steady stone]

you need 40 additional, not including your base 4, and not including backup mags

aka 44, since it's base 4+40 new

[raw aspen]

After asking the discord I just stacked like 7 stone flux pauldrons

[austere bay]

what's a rough tierlist for the current survivors for higher difficulty and actually winning a run

[final socket]

How does transcendence work with eclipse 8 cus I have loads of psgs to stop taking perma damage but idk if that’ll still work

Actually Nevermind I’m gonna just stick with the psgs

[mellow crystal]

Chef could def get moved higher up but in terms of overall power this is my tierlist

[slow urchin]

I genuinely don't know what I'm doing wrong

I keep dying before mithrix

[solemn wind]

It's a hard game

How long have you been playing it?

[slow urchin]

32 hours

never finished a run

I can't deal with the bots while doing both blood pillars

and how do I defeat grandfather without getting melted

[mellow crystal]

The sun attack only happens below 50% health and it gets blocked by cover

[solemn wind]

The grandfather you're gonna wanna kill fast and when things start glowing red take cover

Blood pillars you just want to either have halfway decent healing for or kill the chimerae first

[slow urchin]

wait does the engie shield count as cover?

[steady stone]

attacks like that create shadows behind objects that you will be safe standing behind

another example is the vagrant explosion

[solemn wind]

Honestly if you can't outheal the blood pillars you should be looping instead of fighting Mithrix anyway

[mellow crystal]

I'm pretty sure only physical surfaces that create shadows count so no

[mellow crystal]

Counterpoint, looping is boring /hj

[slow urchin]

I was doing a run as seeker with no turrets because a video told me I shouldn't spent money on em

also how do I know if I have enough health

[mellow crystal]

They were right
Gunner turrets are ehhhh

[steady stone]

turrets are like alright to get passive money on future stages, but more of a "i already bought everything, might as well"

[slow urchin]

all the times I've looped I die at the first stage

[mellow crystal]

You need healing more than health tbh

[solemn wind]

What do turrets have to do with the blood pillars? And yeah no as great as drones are, turrets are good if you already have everything and just ahppen to have the cash on you still

[slow urchin]

just wanted to point out what I was doing that run

[mellow crystal]

Generally for blood pillars you wanna either avoid them or save them for last if you're really low on healing

[slow urchin]

are there more than 4 pillars in that stage

[steady stone]

also, this is a more visual representation

[mellow crystal]

Usually I get like 4-7 split across the different pillar types

[honest badger]

pretty sure yes

same as vagrant

[stiff sage]

How to get FS's alt M2?

[stiff sage]

P.S.I have 43 lunar spikes here, no magazines

[steady stone]

you need 40 additional so not counting base 4

[solemn wind]

Yeah you need 44+the number of backup mags you have

[forest linden]

I’m trying to get the alt abilities on chef, and ive got no clue how I’m supposed to put 20 burn stacks on him when the burn from sear goes away as soon as you stop using the ability, and doesn’t even seem to go past 5 stacks

[solemn wind]

Stone flux is prob your best bet for fs

[steady stone]

it scales with attack speed

[honest badger]

Read the wiki.gg page for the unlock

[stiff sage]

Yep, got it

[steady stone]

yeah i can get 10 stacks against a golem base, 26 stacks with 10 syringes

wait, is sear supposed to have this much range?

[solemn wind]

They upped it in the update

[feral zinc]

Best way to get alternate utility on seeker?

[steady stone]

it isnt just on a single enemy, meaning hit as many as possible
swarms may be of use with that

[daring cloak]

Prolly

[steady stone]

dont get glass though

[daring cloak]

The visuals are deceiving because of perspective

[steady stone]

true, that just seems so absurdly different though

it doesnt even reach halfway

[daring cloak]

As long as it looks natural from the chef's perspective (which it mostly does imo) its fine

Arti flamethrower has something similar iirc

[steady stone]

yeah, it has a HUGE cylinder around it, fthrower

[steady stone]

also apparently lets you basically infinitely ramp damage, making it easy (according to the wiki.gg)

[wispy hinge]

What shrine turned all my items into one item

[solemn wind]

It was... I think order?

The one that you pay a lunar coin to other than the newt ones

[steady stone]

Yes, it turns all items of one category into one single item of that category (that you own already)

so if you have like 25 and 50 , you could get 75 of either

it looks like this

[solemn wind]

I love it so much

It's never ended well for me but it's so fun

[steady stone]

i hate it ever since it gave me over 1000 monster teeth before mithrix -_-

[daring cloak]

It once gave 9 light fluxes

The diablo cooldown got to the minimum of 0.5 seconds but the casting animation took like 10 seconds in return it was AWFUL

[solemn wind]

Oh yeah I've only ever had terrible outcomes from it

But it's just SO FUN

[left trellis]

I remember the one time I did it on the moon as Ravager (modded melee character) and got something like 30 focus crystals

that was a good time

[outer sierra]

how do i gt the laser of the father to fire for longer

[bitter ore]

do I go for it?

[solemn wind]

Increase max health

[solemn wind]

Always

[bitter ore]

it only took 1 atg lets go

[dusky raven]

did they fully remove the enemies gaining items in void fields when you arent in the cell?

[austere lantern]

hello there , im fairly new and i was wondering if there are survivors that are better left off for later or if all are fine to play right when unlocked ? i got acrid by some miracle and i was also wondering if anyone had any tips for him , he's been my favorite for now .

i also saw some Rex gameplay and it seems interesting .

[solemn wind]

I'd hold off on Rex and Artificer till you've gota couple wins under your belt tbh

[austere lantern]

okay thanks , yeah he uses hp so it seems kinda difficult to manage it will trying not to get trampled . Is distance or melee acrid better btw ? cus the bite seems to have good regen

[solemn wind]

I'm terrible at Acrid

[primal vector]

The idea for Acrid is going in and out of combat

[lavish jacinth]

ranged acrid is way easier, but melee acrid is solid if you can get good at it

[solemn wind]

Literally any other character I'd be a big help, I've got way too many hours in this game, I just can't Acrid

[primal vector]

Poisoning and camping is a valid strategy too, but may be more boring

[lavish jacinth]

the key with melee acrid is gamesense, knowing when to engage or disengage with a melee fight

but it's also totally viable to just keep your distance the whole time and let poison do all the work, but it is kinda boring

[primal vector]

Yes, only when you activate cells

[austere lantern]

yeah i did feel that , but also for the passive , is the other option any good ?

[lavish jacinth]

it's not great tbh

it's viable, and it's stronger early on, but it falls off hard lategame, especially against bosses

[mellow crystal]

Unfortunately no, poison kinda just outdamages it in most practical situations

[austere lantern]

and for the jump ? since the other does stun is it a viable alternative ?

[lavish jacinth]

they both stun

and default is generally better as well, the alt potentially has higher dps, but it also has a 10s base cooldown instead of 6

[solemn wind]

Probably best to mess around and figure out what works for you tbh. Like, there often are answers there, but you're gonna get better at option a by feeling why option b doesn't work

Build gamesense, practice seeing why things do and don't work, mess around!

[lavish jacinth]

every loadout is viable so play what you like, but if we're strictly talking meta, then full default acrid is best

(although the bite is good if you like playing meleecrid)

[lyric pasture]

what are the 4 easiest to proc effects for death mark with acrid

[lavish jacinth]

well, poison is obvious
next would be chronobauble
shattering justice or symbiotic scorpion (they both have a guaranteed debuff on hit but it's kinda pointless to have both as they both do armor break)
then bleed or collapse

technically also has a guaranteed debuff but Acrid doesn't really wanna give up his special

[lyric pasture]

oh wait i forgot chrono works, thatll make things easier ty

[solemn wind]

Gasoline's also pretty easy

[lyric pasture]

i dont have dlc so i have to use gasoline until i get shattering, how can i proc it on mithrix?

[hoary sedge]

only reliable way to do that is

you could also proc it off the constructs in phase 3 but thats inconsistent at best

[lyric pasture]

i think its just best i loop until i get it, im on acrid anyway the damage at the end of the day isnt fully needed since %

[lavish jacinth]

would work for burn on hit

you could also use for the tar effect, or for the slow

[solemn wind]

Love

Great item

[lavish jacinth]

one of the best, wish it actually existed in normal runs lol

I'm still salty about hopoo for replacing magma worms with xi construct on sky meadow

[solemn wind]

I'm not I hate magma worms ever since I had to fight 14 in one stage

[lavish jacinth]

I'll still take that over defense nucleus

[solemn wind]

What do you mean? Defense nucleus is great! Nothing could beat little flashing lights jumping around the edges of your screen anytime you breathe! /s

[lavish jacinth]

nothing but a pale imitation of my beloved squid turret

and it's extra sad because xi's have two way better moves that could've been turned into a boss item

[lyric pasture]

does 57 leaf clover effect item luck?

[lavish jacinth]

no

[livid wedge]

What, worms still show up on sky meadow

[lavish jacinth]

overloading worms do

[livid wedge]

So do regular ones

[lavish jacinth]

only if sotv is disabled

[livid wedge]

No

[lavish jacinth]

Did sots change that?

[livid wedge]

I literally just had a game with them as the teleporter boss

On sky meadows

[lavish jacinth]

huh

that's new then

[livid wedge]

Gibbed them as fs

[solemn wind]

I appreciate someone with that specific username showing up when we mention the defense nucleus XD

[livid wedge]

Here to help

[hardy canyon]

Hello guys
Does anyone knows how to fix RoR2 multiplayer disconnecting issue?

[solemn wind]

I might, what's happening?

[hardy canyon]

When I play with friend player which isnt host just disconnects randomly

and this issue happened 4 times in a row

[peak jacinth]

turn off crossplay (both of you), it’s the biggest issue with multiplayer bugs

it’s the very first setting in the settings

[hardy canyon]

thank you

we will try it tomorrow

[fair sequoia]

wait wdym

[peak jacinth]

because fuel cell also decreases the cooldown of equipment by 15% per stack having 7 will reduce the cooldown enough for permanent uptime, but you don’t have the automatic activation of gesture so it’s a bit more finicky

[fair sequoia]

ohh ok

i didn't read the second part of fuel cell's description

[fair sequoia]

so i have to manually activate it at the start of each stage?

[lavish jacinth]

you'd have to manually activate it every time the buff runs out

[fair sequoia]

oh ok

[lavish jacinth]

instead of it activating automatically off cooldown like it does with gesture

[merry glacier]

so are my projectiles supposed to not go where im aiming when im too close too a monster? for some reason when im hugging an enemy the projectiles are aimed upwards instead. its annoying when im trying to aim chef's cleavers into the ground so they dont take as long to return. this isnt a new thing btw, its just been happening for so long it feels like its somehow intended

[mellow crystal]

yeah that's an issue with 3rd person
your attack has to come from your character, but you aim with your camera which is above your character, so it has to compensate by firing higher upward

[lavish jacinth]

try playing with the aim assist setting

[mellow crystal]

there's a mod which fixes it but i forgot what exactly it's called
smth like aimdirectionfix

[lavish jacinth]

I forget if it's under the umbrella settings thing on the first settings tab or on the second, but it helps

and yeah, there's also a mod for it, it hasn't been updated in a while though so it may not work on the current patch https://thunderstore.io/package/Goorakh/AttackDirectionFix/

[merry glacier]

i'll see if having it at 1 is enough since i prefer manual aim in most cases

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's where I have it iirc

[whole fulcrum]

what are the best abilities for false son? im having trouble choosing

[merry glacier]

still happens but it seems less consistent at least. thank u

[livid terrace]

why does tiem progrees in the void fields

[lavish jacinth]

it progresses if you're outside a safe zone

[fair sequoia]

what is the celestial portal
i went into a blue portal because i didn't see it

[lavish jacinth]

it allows you to obliterate yourself

basically an alternate ending if you don't wanna do a final boss, it unlocks a character if it's the first time you've done it

but if you don't wanna end yet, you can interact with the altar once and it'll spawn a portal back to normal stages

[stuck sorrel]

does anyone know the command to give fuel array in console?

[mellow crystal]

give_equip fuelarray
but you'll need debugtoolkit to actually use the give_equip command iirc

[stuck sorrel]

gotcha ty

[full stone]

How would i invert the mouse controls on console

[quick spoke]

do prayer beads grant the buffs if corrupted by benthic

[fresh umbra]

Upon removing Prayer Beads from the inventory (through scrappers, printers, or cauldrons), the player will gain [stats]
This makes me think not, but i could be wrong. The wiki doesn’t mention in the prayer beads or benthic bloom pages whether it does or not

[outer sierra]

how dose the fathers laser achivement work

[paper thistle]

not getting nay bison spawns on shattered abodes for the chef achievement, any tips? im on monsoon

[nova warren]

Is there a PC bug with controllers right now? I can navigate the menus just fine, but when I get in an actual run, none of my buttons work

[trim narwhal]

try artifacts kin etc, dissonance maybe (?)

[lavish jacinth]

there are some bugs related to controllers atm, especially third party ones, according to the devs you miiight be able to fix it by lowering the polling rate to 125hz.
(Not sure if you're experiencing the same bug though, usually it just causes input delay)

I'm assuming you've already checked to make sure the bindings are all set up correctly and stuff

[nova warren]

It is a binding issue, but it unbound everything, including movement and camera, but the settings menu doesn't have a way to rebind camera and movement for controllers

if I click "reset to default" it re-unbinds everything

[lavish jacinth]

hmmm

#ror2-tech-support might have ideas then, or just wait for the next patch. Devs said it was already being worked on so it should be soon at least

[merry glacier]

is safer spaces blacklisted for mithrix or is it just tougher times?

[livid wedge]

Both are blacklisted

[merry glacier]

ty!

[royal swift]

why havent i gotten the achievement yet

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't count the 4 spikes you start with

[royal swift]

thx

[livid wedge]

We really need to pin that answer

Not that anyone reads pins

[merry glacier]

oh no... i just ended a 2 hour long run with 42 spikes assuming i had gotten it already and just missed it. rip

[trim narwhal]

you can get 44 spikes pretty fast its fine

i mean look above, that guy has 42 in 12 minutes

[full apex]

its on wiki

[sterile jacinth]

by any chance is it possible for void enemies to have lost seers lenses

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[sterile jacinth]

confusing

no idea what i died to

[lavish jacinth]

what did the death screen say?

[sterile jacinth]

same as when you get killed by the explosion, but there was no explosion i literally waited for the explosions to go away before going into the tp and then i just vanish

no effects either only when i died

so i came here thinking the enemies had void crit or smth and a stray devastator projectile oneshot me

this isnt super late game either this was literally stage 6 so i dont really think there were any jailer explosions or something i wasn’t seeing

lemme look back at the clip brb

[lavish jacinth]

you can post it here if you want

when devastators die they launch smaller projectiles that also have the instakill effect, could that have been it?

[sterile jacinth]

maybe

kinda sucks i was trying to do a meteorite build for fun with command now im all out of lunar coins

was definitely the projectiles, i didnt even know they existed til now, thats a really unfortunate way to figure out a new feature

[lavish jacinth]

yep, rip

[sterile jacinth]

even more unfortunately they spawned out of view so i had zero time to react lmao

[lavish jacinth]

well, protip if you wanna save some coins in the future, gesture gives exactly the same cooldown reduction as fuel cell after the first stack so you only need one

[sterile jacinth]

yeah ill probably try again once i have like 8 lunar coins so i have enough for newt statue and enough to reroll a few times in case i dont get any equipments

[lapis abyss]

Thinking of buying SoTs, are the playable characters and items good?

[left trellis]

they are now, after all the updates

[lapis abyss]

False son is good now?

[left trellis]

always has been

false son wasn't the problem. chef was the one that was unusably bad

and now he's not. rejoice

[lapis abyss]

Oh. Also do you prioritise movement or damage items? As bandit mostly and acrid

[left trellis]

me personally? depends on what i want

i don't really prioritize any one type of item over another as much as i just pick what i feel like i'm missing in my build

[lapis abyss]

Oh okay

[lavish jacinth]

as a general rule, Damage > mobility > healing/defense

Although Acrid in particular can get away with not having a lot of damage items thanks to poison's %hp damage, but killing things faster is always good

[full apex]

it takes long enough for poisons % to kick in at an impactful enough level that getting external damage will still be a lot more reliable. even without armor taking 100s to kill 1 thing is pretty slow, its more of a bonus on top of items

[jade oasis]

I know this might be a skill issue but ive been trying to do more macro and it just.. doesnt work well, most of the time it just makes me run so slow I end up spending 10 minutes a stage, and even though I do keep up with the 1 minute rule It just feels like im doing something wrong

is this justme being bad and not optimising enough or does it really slow you down that much

[lavish jacinth]

It does slow your run down a bit, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The item-per-minute rule is a good guideline, but not a strict requirement- the important thing is that you're spending time as efficiently as possible. As long as your time is spent on something that makes your build stronger overall (including item macro) it's not a waste.

Another way to think of it is that, for example, spending 1 extra minute finding a recycler to turn a crappy item into something better is still following the 1 minute rule, because you still end up being roughly 1 item stronger than you would've been had you just settled for a bad item.

[jade oasis]

yeahh ig ur right, my runs just havent been very lucky

[lavish jacinth]

Maybe

[jade oasis]

barely any scrappers and I get oneshot constantly

ik thats the deal but like

I havent seen a safer spaces in 10 runs

[lavish jacinth]

A big part of it is also game knowledge, knowing how to utilize the items you do have. As useful as item macro can be, at the end of the day you're still at the mercy of RNG and have to know how to play the hand you're dealt

[wary lintel]

I don't know why but every commando run for me is a cope run, is that how it's meant to be or am I missing something?

[jade oasis]

EXACTLY HOW I FEEL RN

im trying to eclipse 8 commando

but it jsut feels like I cant do anything unless I get mega lucky with items

[wary lintel]

Yea exactly

To be fair I haven't unlocked his shotgun yet though

So it could just be his base kit is less reliable

[lavish jacinth]

I think that usually when people say "I have bad luck", their luck isn't as bad as they think, they just aren't utilizing what they have, or are relying too much on getting specific things they're comfortable with.
Got a bunch of tritips or proc items on a character that sucks at stacking bleed? look for or for more procs. Squid polyp might seem bad, but it's decent for defense and great with .
There are very few items that are just straight up useless outside of being scrap

And yeah, it's also true that sometimes you do just get abysmal runs and have to survive through pure skill- but you CAN still win through skill. And unless the game somehow gives you like 50 stacks of chronobauble and nothing else, odds are your items are still gonna make you stronger somehow, even if it's not as strong as you might like.

[jade oasis]

yeah I mean I argee, but also when I straight up cannot kill anything bigger than a wisp in less than a minute I just do notunderstand how im supposed to win, im not saying im playing perfect and its all the games fault but it makes it impossibly hard for me at my skill level

then again im a filthy engi and acrid player so im probably just too used to consistency without much work

thats really the reason im even playing commando

[lavish jacinth]

That is probably also true

Winning with commando is usually a matter of skill and knowledge rather than relying on the survivor being powerful (which is also why veteran players almost always love commando while new players hate him)

imo he's one of the best characters to play if you wanna get better at the game overall as a result

...man I feel like I'm rambling a lot, I have 3am brain lmao

moreso than usual

[merry glacier]

what happened to railgunner's scope? its so much darker than it used to be. like literally mostly just black

the colors go back to normal if you open your inventory while scoped

[jade oasis]

I feel that so hard, but yeah it really does seem like theres little room for error with him, but hey, my goal is to improve at the game fundimentally

so hes perfect, frustrating af, but perfect

[wary lintel]

Alright then, might give him another try

[thin sinew]

are large chest guaranteed to spawnon stage 1?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[thin sinew]

damn

i found a sale star on stage 1 and was just scurrying around trying to find a large chest

[worldly olive]

Honestly sometimes when I try to find a use for sale star if I don't see any large chest for a long time and see a damage chest I just go for that

Not as good for my item eco as a guaranteed 2 greens but often damage whites are good enough for me

[honest badger]

verdant falls does have a guaranteed spawn of either a large chest or scrapper

[wispy hinge]

Should i use blinding assault or focused assault on mercenary

[honest badger]

focused is more popular i think

[lavish jacinth]

both are good

merc really doesn't have any bad loadouts

[thin sinew]

focused is harder to use but its better in terms of aoe damage

[wispy hinge]

Isnt rising thunder bad

[lavish jacinth]

it's a little awkard but fine

it gives you a good amount of vertical mobility

and it sends lesser wisps into space which is never not funny

[wispy hinge]

Do dash moves go further with more movement speed?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[chrome mantle]

is the log for disturbed impact still bugged?

[primal vector]

Yes

[chrome mantle]

:((

[primal vector]

Sadly, the game has had problems with stage logs since the very first alt stage (scorched acres) was added in EA

[lyric pasture]

Which dlc is the best to get rn if I was to only get one? (Aside upcoming one)

[lavish jacinth]

Get sotv first imo

Both are good, but sotv adds more content that directly affects normal gameplay

[hearty ivy]

Also purple people are cool 👍

[weak gate]

are there currently any plans to make the game crossplay?

[honest badger]

Not publicly.

[weak gate]

bruh that sucks so much

[copper topaz]

guys what is the quest to open 2nd utility of the seeker character

[outer sierra]

What items increase atk speed

[sudden wave]

What did yall do to get false sons alt utility

[full apex]

Mocha, Lantern, Syringe, Warbanner, Predatory, War horn, Pauldron, Nectar, Irradiant pearl, Tonic, and Opus. Light flux is an attack speed down

i think thats everything

[outer sierra]

Ty!

[full apex]

technically bottled chaos could via opus but thats kinda splitting hairs, its not consistent if ur going for attack speed specifically haha

[keen helm]

Is seeker good for simularcrum now?
after her buffs

[lyric palm]

if i use a halcyon shrine but dont go through the portal, will it still spawn the portal on later loops?

[primal vector]

They can spawn as long as you havent beaten False Son

[mellow bronze]

always has been

[sudden wave]

hey so why is aureolonite not spawning in mithrix fight

I’m on stage 3 and the boss won’t spawn I’m tryna get false son alt skill

[hoary sedge]

phase 3 as in the phase he steals your items or phase 3 as in the one after the construct wave

bc she only spawns after he takes your items (he can't steal halcyon seed)

[lyric pasture]

what is the best dlc to buy rn (aside the upcoming one)

[primal vector]

What are you liking the most from base game?

[lyric pasture]

looping i guess

[primal vector]

I would say the first DLC then, I guess. Survivors of the void. Affects more directly to the base gameloop and gives you a way to try your 30 stage build against a new final boss

[tough pollen]

how do u unlock Weeping fungus (white Corrupted wungus) @ me ty

[lavish jacinth]

Buy the survivors of the void dlc

[solemn wind]

All corrupted items are dlc yeah

[tawny raft]

it says I died to "The Planet" ... but I didn't take any fall damage, I think one of these crab mortars got me ... is that the Planet?

[lavish jacinth]

"The planet" just means that the thing that killed you doesn't have a name, you sometimes see it if you die to DoT from an enemy that's already dead for example

[eternal storm]

is halcyon seed worth keeping or would it be more useful to put it in a yellow printer

[lavish jacinth]

Depends on the printer

[eternal storm]

yea i guess that makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

would all easily be worth it, and possibly depending on situation

And it's worth getting rid of if you plan to end the run at false son and haven't already unlocked him

[livid wedge]

You need it to unlock him, though

[eternal storm]

ok thx

[austere bay]

what do people run on merc?

triple left?

[lavish jacinth]

For loadouts? Anything works really

Merc doesn't have any bad loadouts, his skills are pretty well-rounded. Just use whatever you prefer

[austere bay]

aite bet, what about artificer?

[lavish jacinth]

If you wanna make things easy for yourself just run flame bolt, nanobomb and ion surge

Flamethrower is fun but hard to use and kinda underpowered

Secondaries are fairly equal, primaries are mostly equal but existing kinda makes flame bolt slightly better by default

[mellow crystal]

anything really but generally alt dash + alt special works better for damage but is harder to get used to, while default dash + default special works better for spamming i-frames

[slow urchin]

Who do I need to punch to nerf the scorch worm?

this is the second time I died because of that fuck and it was right after I got an ukulele

[placid mauve]

What attack of the scorch worm's did you get killed by?

[slow urchin]

The one where he appears from the ground

I saw the radius last second and I was sliding as commando

[placid mauve]

To get them to come up early I think you can run over them and they'll pop up, just wait until the lava trail stops moving and move away from it a little

[slow urchin]

I didn't even saw it

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, there's an indicator for where they are. It's kinda like Rex sprint

[slow urchin]

it was pure hell, I was in loop 1 stage 4

and it was the red stage

[rotund belfry]

is the false son bossfight supposed to be easy? i went in blind on my first run of the dlc and got him first try with mediocre items in 21 minutes

[lavish jacinth]

He's generally considered harder than mithrix, kinda varies with character and stuff though

[rotund belfry]

ain't no way

mitrix took me so long to finally kill, i could only do it in god runs

[lavish jacinth]

Dunno what to tell you

[rotund belfry]

the only defensive items i had ware a warped echo, tougher times and fungus and i barely got low

unless seeker is just busted as a character?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah she kinda is lol

[rotund belfry]

still felt kinda underwhelmed to kill false son on my first attempt

[lavish jacinth]

Try it again on a weaker character, you'll probably see the difference

[rotund belfry]

probably

[lyric pasture]

what items synergise well with void fiend

[lavish jacinth]

Basically anything, but it's best to avoid healing items that are hard to control like weeping fungus or monster tooth, since healing messes with corruption (and he's got a great built-in heal already)

[mellow crystal]

she is yea since she kinda just has everything 😭
sojourn is invulnerability PLUS hitbox deletion PLUS infinite damage scaling
she has a free revive every stage now
and she has aoe, single target, healing, and barrier

[lavish jacinth]

Crit items are also great since you get 2% corruption each time you crit

[lyric pasture]

would you recommend fire rate or damage (or mix of both)

[lavish jacinth]

*Scythe and slug are fine to take for healing, the corruption crit cancels out scythe's heal if you don't stack it and it doesn't count regen

[lavish jacinth]

Always better to mix damage sources so they multiply each other, that goes for any character

(Attack speed is also kinda jank and doesn't always stack well due to frame-rounding)

[solid lantern]

Any tips for chef’s “it’s getting hot in here” achievement

[mellow crystal]

attack speed works on sear too

[solid lantern]

Ohhhhhhhh thank you!

[lavish jacinth]

also helps if you can get one

[golden hound]

if enemies are gilded does that mean theres a gold shrine

[lavish jacinth]

No, they're just a normal elite type that spawns randomly

[sudden wave]

I literally can’t get aureolonite to kill mithiix I either kill him or I don’t have the lunar ruin applied what do I do bro

[golden hound]

is the aurelionite spawn thing rare ive been playing for like an hour and i havent gotten one yet

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah they're pretty uncommon, but you can also get gilded coast to appear in lunar seers so it's worth checking the bazaar each stage

[primal vector]

Dont take too much damage items that could steal the kill. This need you to build a bit for it. Also, artifact of swarms gives you 2 chances per run, although auriolite maybe bounce her attacks between them

[lavish jacinth]

can give aurelionite a little more dps too, ideally on an equipment drone for more uptime

[sudden wave]

so should I just spam attack speed?

[sudden wave]

I usually get vase for pillar skip should I just get that

[lavish jacinth]

With an equipment drone you can have both

[errant stone]

(this question is not related to the ongoing conversation, sorry to interrupt!)
if you have a bunch of lost seer's lenses, can your artifact of vengeance umbra 1shot you? they're not listed on the AIBlacklist page, and nothing else on the wiki i could find suggests otherwise, so i'd assume so

[primal vector]

Its safer, and when you get to Mithrix phase 4, tap him wit spikes just enought so he has one stack of ruin, nothing else until auri kills him

[lavish jacinth]

Yep, survivors aren't immune to void instakills

[errant stone]

woa, okay! crazy

[sudden wave]

Alr ty

[sudden wave]

put the gorag on it?

[lavish jacinth]

Yep, drone gets gorag and you take the vase

Gorags on an equip drone is just really good in general, they get 80% equipment cooldown reduction so it's active almost constantly

[thorny steeple]

any tips for fighting false son pre-loop?

i cant seem to be able to beat him pre-loop as anyone other than mercenary or huntress

[mellow crystal]

which phase kills you the most

[lavish jacinth]

Play defensive, stay near cover and poke him when its safe, and try to stay near geodes so you can cleanse ruin / silence right away

[thorny steeple]

2

well both 1 and 2

[mellow crystal]

for p2 you mostly just wanna stick near-ish a pillar most of the time so you're prepared for laser, larger room for movement the more movespeed/movement abilities you have
you can predict laser is about to happen if he does the lunar rain since he usually does it right before laser

as for fs's attacks themselves, they are surprisingly easy to dodge

[mellow crystal]

and for p1, always stay on your toes
dash + slam is really only avoidable with movespeed, wax quail, or a movement ability, move directly away from fs when you do dodge it instead of to the sides (unless you're using smth with i-frames like merc dash)
always be careful of spike shotgun, generally expect it every 2-3 slams
and you can actually delay his attacks by breaking line of sight using pillars, really useful if you're only relying on a movement ability to dodge slams

[lavish jacinth]

Oh yeah, and minions help a ton, he gets distracted really easily, even more than mithrix

It's kinda hard to keep drones alive but any respawning minions are great

[plain jackal]

bro why is it impossible to get infusion

ive done like 10 runs

ive gotten every green

never a single infusion for my challenge

[solid lantern]

Any suggestions for “you’ve always been crazy” on chef?

[lavish jacinth]

Rng hates you

[lavish jacinth]

Gather up some wisps and boost it with yes chef, makes it way easier

#1369072091047002162 message some clips in this thread

[solid lantern]

Is that the alternate to the oil?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, the alt special

[lyric palm]

any advice for looping on RG?
around stage 6-10 i feel like i dont do that much damage and it gets very hard to find a moment to snipe
my supercharge doesnt oneshot stronger elites anymore and i get oneshot eventually
(currently on rainstorm difficulty)

usually i try full looting a stage, unless it would take me a while to find the last 1 or 2 chests

[icy path]

stack crowbars, go for crits, get AoE. And damage mitigation/movement

[lavish jacinth]

Full looting is good

Practice quickscoping too, take a shot and reload as you run away

[lavish jacinth]

Don't go for crits on railgunner

She only gets a 5% damage increase from a stack of lensmakers

[icy path]

The scope gives guaranteed crits

[lavish jacinth]

And don't just stack crowbars either, always better to mix different multipliers

[icy path]

ye, but for most chunk damage earlyz crowbars will carry you if you land a crit

[lavish jacinth]

Bands are very strong on her ofc but the cooldown becomes an issue against big crowds later on, so don't neglect total damage procs

[icy path]

Gasoline/wisp are good for cc

[lavish jacinth]

Proc chaining is usually where you start getting really broken damage

Proccing ukulele off of her special can wipe a crowd easily

3.0 proc coefficient too, or 1.5 on cryocharge

[sudden wave]

I finally got it after like 4 hours bro thank you🙏

[primal vector]

GG!

[lyric palm]

im trying
though zooming and instantly shooting makes me often miss weakspots
and sometimes i miss completely if i try to quickscope while moving

[icy path]

I took me 5 tries to get falsp son alt utility, I did too much damage and killed mithrix too fast. But I got 2 stacks of auri and she clapped phase 4 on my successful attempt

[lyric palm]

and i do know what kind of items to go for, as long as i actually get to choose

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, try to line up the shot in third person first

Use mines to give yourself space

You can detonate them instantly if you throw both at once, if you didn't know

[lyric palm]

yeah i usually use them to quickly move back and forth

[lyric palm]

oh didnt know that

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, you can only have one out at a time so throwing both instantly detonates the older one

[icy path]

Or shoot a supercharge at it to detonate the mine, as an extra boost

[lyric palm]

i sometimes try cryocharge too
but then i cant easily kill bosses and big enemies quickly and that leads to new struggles

[lavish jacinth]

Just be careful where you aim the second mine, you don't wanna accidentally launch an enemy at yourself

[icy path]

Obviously only when you have downtime

[lavish jacinth]

The advantage with cryo is that you can (and should) use it often, both for burst damage and for crowd cc

[lyric palm]

yeah
though i do like oneshotting away bosses

[lavish jacinth]

Don't expect to consistently one-shot everything in loops like you can early on

Railgunner's overall dps is still insanely good with consistent headshots and perfect reloads

[lyric palm]

yeah
big elite enemies already can tank supercharge once i begin looping

[lavish jacinth]

Yep

Get some atgs and sticky bombs and stuff, abuse that 3.0 coeff

[lyric palm]

semi-related sidenote: any reason not to do halcyon shrines?

[lavish jacinth]

Anything that'll multiply damage

[lavish jacinth]

Halcyonite can be a pain to kill past stage 1 but the rewards are definitely worth it

[lyric palm]

trying to loop rn to unlock false son

[golden hound]

do you get the same growth buffs with both variants of false sons secondary

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah

[golden hound]

which one is better then

[lavish jacinth]

The alt counts as 2 spikes per charge though

I think they're both pretty good, i haven't used the alt enough to be sure

[cinder pasture]

what is the best loadout for huntress

[lavish jacinth]

Either primary, phase blink (but normal blink is good too if you prefer it), ballista

[cinder pasture]

what should be used for bandit?

[lavish jacinth]

Both primaries are decent but shotgun is a little better, secondaries hardly matter so use either, desperado

His skills are all pretty good though

[cinder pasture]

how long does the desparado buff last for?

[steady stone]

The one that applies every kill lasts until you go to the next stage

[brittle shuttle]

Theyre both pretty equal

Tho if youre using laser burst stakes are a but better cus lb is busted as fuck rn and kinda entirely bringing out the big downside of being stakes over spikes

[winter cove]

can i finish an eclipse run on false son or will i be forced to continue the run?

[brittle shuttle]

You cannot rebirth on eclipse no

[lavish jacinth]

Eclipse has to end on mithrix

[solemn wind]

Is Mithrix easier on eclipse? I always have an easier time with him on eclipse than on regular monsoon for some reason

[lavish jacinth]

In a way yeah

E4 kinda messes with his movement, he tends to overshoot his dashes

And e7 makes him spam his special attacks that are fairly easy to dodge

[night hawk]

What exactly does the frost effect do?

[lavish jacinth]

Slows enemies and stacks, at 6 stacks it gets consumed and turns into freeze

[night hawk]

Does it stack with normal slow?

[lavish jacinth]

It's a separate debuff so yeah

[night hawk]

Now we’re talking

[slow urchin]

I got shaped glass, can I use void cradles or do I get oneshotted?

[bitter mural]

it wouldnt let u use the void cradle if it would kill you, i think it would just take 50% of the max hp that you now have w/ shaped glass

[slow urchin]

Ok it's 50% of what I have now

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah the missing chunk of your healthbar isn't treated like damage, it's just to show how much max health you've lost

[slow urchin]

Just got killed by the planet anyway

[sudden wave]

what do yall think of all alt false son? and is it good for eclipse?

[formal sapphire]

I wouldn't go for lunar spikes

Everything else yeah

[sudden wave]

I’m using lunar stakes

[formal sapphire]

stakes* mb I'm still new to the names

[sudden wave]

btw do you mean stakes for eclipse or overall?

[formal sapphire]

eclipse, I don't like them because 1, you can't run with them which for me is bad 2, the dmg is kinda mid

[mellow crystal]

lunar stakes are great wdym

with laser burst they have literally no downsides

[mellow crystal]

implying lunar spikes do good damage?

[formal sapphire]

I don't like them because you can't run with them,

[mellow crystal]

that doesn't make them bad

you're on fs anyway, you can tank so easily that a bit of sprint loss isn't much

[formal sapphire]

True, I haven't really played fs that much more of a chef

[mellow crystal]

either way all alt false son is good but does have a more brawler-esque playstyle than default false son

[formal sapphire]

true

[mellow crystal]

they're both false son tho so either way you're probably beating eclipse just fine

[sudden wave]

I like using the dash as well the tp is just fun and I like the triple growth buff

[sweet mist]

i want to get the clover, how do u get it

[steady stone]

do 20 stages in one run

at the same time, you can play as and do 20 stages without Lunar Items for his unlock if you want to multitask

[sweet mist]

oh ok

do i need to do it on monsoon or nah

or any artifacts i should use

[formal sapphire]

Dang 20 stages?

its that hard? to get

[sweet mist]

pretty sure its my only red left

i think

[sudden wave]

it’s not really hard

[formal sapphire]

well, you're gonna have to loop

Alot

[lavish jacinth]

Difficulty doesn't matter, drizzle+command+sacrifice+swarms if you wanna make it as easy as possible

[sudden wave]

yeah just spam halcyon shrine and sale stars

free items

[formal sapphire]

Xd

sale stars can't stack tho

[sweet mist]

wouldnt stacking chance dolls also be a good strat or do they not stack well

[lavish jacinth]

Yes they do

[sudden wave]

fr?

[formal sapphire]

They do?!

[sweet mist]

they can

if you have more than 2, theres a chance for more items

[lavish jacinth]

Stacking gives a chance for more bonus items from a chest

[formal sapphire]

What have I been doing?!

Bro

[sweet mist]

pretty sure i got 4 items from the abyssal chest once

[sudden wave]

yo to 5 items right?

[sweet mist]

idk

[sudden wave]

up*

[sudden wave]

most I’ve gotten is 4

[sweet mist]

never seen more than 4 but 5 is the cap i think

[lavish jacinth]

Up to 5 from a chest, but sale star itself has no cap

[formal sapphire]

You can stack stale stars? this is like the best news ever

[sweet mist]

wait

[lavish jacinth]

It just keeps increasing the chance for more items

[sweet mist]

theres a new dlc coming out?

jus saw it

[formal sapphire]

Yeah

I'm hyped

[sweet mist]

same

[sudden wave]

a returning character + a new one 6 maps and 15 items

[sweet mist]

hopefully the items are good at launch

[sudden wave]

people who’ve played said it was good

so I hope so

[formal sapphire]

returning character?

[sudden wave]

ye

[formal sapphire]

I haven't played ror1 yet

[sweet mist]

imma do the artifacts + monsoon for the skins

[formal sapphire]

nice

[sudden wave]

Same so new for me

[formal sapphire]

good to see I'm not alone

[sudden wave]

I only started playing in like 2021

or 2022 maybe

[sweet mist]

i started around the time seekers came out

like wave 2 or whatever the one that fixed false son was

[sudden wave]

game is in a great state rn compared to release of it

I didn’t buy it cause of the bugs

[sweet mist]

yea

[sudden wave]

till like 4 weeks ago

[sweet mist]

seekers new abilites are so cool

[formal sapphire]

I heard about this in like 2020 than forgot all about it and now in 2023 I FINALLY found it again

[sudden wave]

same I use to watch dangerously funny play it and never bought it until I seen it on the store

[sweet mist]

yea

same

[formal sapphire]

Forgot dangerously funny plays ror2

[sudden wave]

Idk if he still plays it I haven’t watched him in years

he only plays commando for some reason

[formal sapphire]

Why?

I'm not a commando hater or anything I just want to know why only commando

[sudden wave]

I mean outside of videos he prob plays others but when he made ror2 vids he only played commando

[formal sapphire]

ofc

[sudden wave]

and the weird thing is I didn’t touch the game for like a year

cause when I first bought it I had no clue what I was supposed to do

but when I tried it again I got addicted

[formal sapphire]

Frr I first played it with my family after I played it I was H O O K E D

[sudden wave]

now I have like 20 days played on it

[formal sapphire]

only?

500 hours

[sudden wave]

how many do u have

[sudden wave]

ye

[formal sapphire]

I'm addicted to this stupid game..

[sudden wave]

but I did come back to the game like 2 months ago

I stopped playing for a while to

[formal sapphire]

my favorite

[sudden wave]

only time I don’t use command is on eclipse

And i can handle playing without it it’s just fun to me

but every while I do get bored of it

[formal sapphire]

ye

Its fun to play a game where you have to gamble

[sudden wave]

I don’t use command on rex tho

I just can’t get used to him he’s so ass

[formal sapphire]

Although, there is the shrine of luck? shrine of something

[sudden wave]

shrine of chance

[formal sapphire]

Rex is MID

[formal sapphire]

thank you

[sudden wave]

I still don’t have his skin after years

I haven’t used that character in so long

I hate him I’d deadass rather play any other character

[formal sapphire]

Fr

[sudden wave]

and his special is so buns

[formal sapphire]

Rex is slow, dmg is MID, support MID, everything about him is MID

[lavish jacinth]

rex is a very 'love it or hate it' character
most people don't like him, but the few that do tend to really like him

[sudden wave]

yeah I’ve seen people with thousands of hours on him

he’s just so boring to me

[lavish jacinth]

he's pretty decent once you get used to him

[mellow crystal]

funnily enough rex default special is probably the best part of his already good kit

[sudden wave]

I only really use it like stage 1/2

[formal sapphire]

Also, now that seeker is out rex isn't even good for support anymore

[sudden wave]

after that I really only use it when I need a clutch

[lavish jacinth]

grouping up enemies is always strong

[lavish jacinth]

nah he still is

[mellow crystal]

constant healing, 8 fucking seconds of crowd control, 12s cd for basically 75% uptime

[sudden wave]

yeah that is good tho I can’t deny that

[formal sapphire]

really?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[formal sapphire]

Thats it I'm playing ror2 and playing rex

[lavish jacinth]

weakening enemies is great

[sudden wave]

idk maybe I just need to try it more

[mellow crystal]

rex is a different kind of support

seeker heals allies, rex does everything else support-related

[sudden wave]

I need to use Rex more really I barely play him

[formal sapphire]

I have nonthing on him

[mellow crystal]

also rex root works on fucking mithrix and fs which makes it even crazier

[formal sapphire]

SO SLOW

[lavish jacinth]

literally the same base speed as everyone else (except heretic)

they just don't have any speed items

[sudden wave]

they all have the same base speed?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

7m/s base speed, 1.5x that when sprinting

heretic is 8m/s

[mellow crystal]

yeah, the only difference is have slower acceleration so changing directions is a bit slower than usual

[formal sapphire]

Really?

[sudden wave]

some just feel slow for some reason

[mellow crystal]

also rex, mul-t, and acrid are bigger so they feel slower

[lavish jacinth]

^

and false son

[formal sapphire]

also, I died already

I do like the life steal

[mellow crystal]

a human moving at the speed of a car looks a lot faster than a car moving at the speed of a car

[lavish jacinth]

it's just an optical illusion from them being bigger

[formal sapphire]

Chef is the best survivor

[lavish jacinth]

I wish rex's primary had a less annoying sound

[honest badger]

i like it

[lavish jacinth]

it wouldn't be so bad if you didn't hear it constantly while playing him

[formal sapphire]

I have EVERYTHING skin, alt, for every survivor besides

[slow urchin]

Is the retry mod a valuable way to play the game or is it seen as a cheat-ish mod?

[mellow crystal]

what's funny is that arti and rex are like the postergirl and posterrex of "new players hate them because they're hard to get used to"

[mellow crystal]

what does it do
allow you to restart the run from the pause menu or?

[sudden wave]

I love arti but Rex just feels so bad to me

[lavish jacinth]

lets you restart the stage if you die, apparently

[slow urchin]

it lets you retry the stage you just died on

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I'd probably consider that kinda cheating... like, it's a roguelike, permadeath is kinda the point.
But like, use it if you want to, don't worry about getting other people's approval for it lol

[slow urchin]

because I just lost a run to a fucking child that killed me somehow (it wasn't even in the view)

[formal sapphire]

They should make it so if you're on a solo run and using command while you're picking a item

[slow urchin]

I was on stage 5 and on a good run with huntress

[lavish jacinth]

situational awareness, just gotta keep an eye out for stuff like that

[chrome mist]

why does using prayer beads make void fiend's meter charge faster

[lavish jacinth]

and yeah, sometimes shit happens, it kinda comes with the genre

[lavish jacinth]

...It does?

[mellow crystal]

prayer beads code jank probably

[slow urchin]

How was I supposed to see it, there was a shitton of stuff that was happening at one (I was fighting a flying flame enemy while running towards a chest)

I swear this game hates me

[chrome mist]

did for me lol

[mellow crystal]

aren't child orbs like larger than most of the human survivors in size

[lavish jacinth]

maybe it's counting the extra regen from beads as healing? which it shouldn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's jank

[slow urchin]

Here's the thing it killed me yet I didn't saw it coming

[slow urchin]

every time I'm on a good run I get killed in a bs way

[sudden wave]

they should make the potential mod a real artififact

[lavish jacinth]

if there's so much stuff flying at you that you can't even tell what's going on, that's probably a good time to back away from the fight

[slow urchin]

I was

[chrome mist]

what about the hp increase, could that have something to do with it

[fresh umbra]

petscop no way

[chrome mist]

hi im petscop

[lavish jacinth]

nah, that shouldn't matter

corruption gain is based on healing proportional to your health

[steady stone]

ill... look into this when i get home? was it like ON removal, or permanently after scrapping them?

[lavish jacinth]

so if anything, having more health would make a flat heal like regen build less corruption

[formal sapphire]

one time I had like 6 and I had no cooldown on anything I was spamming yes chef so many time lol

[steady stone]

this genuinely kinda piques my interest, some prayer beads jank

[chrome mist]

after scrapping it. it was on level 11

[steady stone]

and to ask, was it just the while-corrupted meter? or did you corrupt faster too?

[sudden wave]

Hp regen maybe ?

[lavish jacinth]

well, it's hard to say what you should've done without having been seen it, but the child's projectile isn't so fast that it's impossible to see or react to

bullshit deaths do happen sometimes, but more often than not they're preventable

just gotta try to learn from it and and do better, instead of getting mad and blaming the game

[chrome mist]

dont remember the while-corrupted meter speed, it was a few runs ago. i do know for a fact the meter when not corrupted was faster

[lavish jacinth]

hmm

[steady stone]

ok THATS even weirder

healing makes you corrupt slower

[chrome mist]

not sayin i t didntt

just that i dont remember

[lavish jacinth]

it might've just been less noticeable while corrupted too

but yeah, that's definitely something to test

[chrome mist]

hope this means i discovrerd new tech lmao

[lavish jacinth]

why is prayer beads the most jank item ever

[chrome mist]

love it though

[formal sapphire]

Why is my game so quiet?

no music is playing

nvm it got fixed phew

[steady stone]

lowkey you might be crazy tho
it seems fine

if the minimum threshold raised by 2%, it would be a void item, otherwise maybe you got lit on fire and gained meter

[chrome mist]

it actulaly might have been the fire thing

[lavish jacinth]

welp

[steady stone]

no viend tech today 😔

[lavish jacinth]

beads is off the hook for now

[slow urchin]

not even mad, just tired of not even finishing a run in 30+ hours

[formal sapphire]

OH MY GOSH YOUR RIGHT STALE STAR CAN STACK

[chrome mist]

i remember this happening on stage 2 of the path of the colossus, the worms probably did it

[lavish jacinth]

I think the ingame description still says it increases the chance for more items by 5% per stack, I really wanna know where they got that number lol

[steady stone]

do they still make invisible AoEs?

that might be it if that's still a thing, idk i havent really played since sots patch 2

[chrome mist]

theyre not invisible anymore

patche out a while ago

[sudden wave]

they do that for a lot of items teddy bears says increase by 15% chance a stack

[lavish jacinth]

well, that actually is sorta correct

[steady stone]

the world would be too easy if teddy didnt stack hyperbolic

[lavish jacinth]

it's +15% but with hyperbolic stacking

[sudden wave]

yeah your right

[steady stone]

but yeah it's kindaaaa

you just need a few million or billion for 100% iirc

[sudden wave]

enough teddy bears can round up to 100%

[lavish jacinth]

iirc the math also works out such that you gain +15% effective health per stack, linearly

[honest badger]

but you only need like 56 safer spaces for that

[steady stone]

65 kinda, you can get hit twice in the same frame still

[wispy hinge]

What m1 is best for mul t

[lavish jacinth]

which special are you using?

[wispy hinge]

The only one i have

[steady stone]

the big two builds are power mode double nailgun and retool double rebar

[lavish jacinth]

so retool then

[formal sapphire]

I just killed wandering in like 10 seconds

[steady stone]

double nailgun lets you have insane proc, retool rebar lets you cancel the end lag of each shot

[wispy hinge]

So rebar if i only have retool?

[lavish jacinth]

double rebar
(but you don't have to pick that)

[steady stone]

the "optimal" would be swapping between your two rebars, but i recommend experimenting with all of his attacks

[lavish jacinth]

using retool cancels the reload animation for rebar puncher, so by spamming retool you can rapid-fire two rebars

[wispy hinge]

Also what items go best with him

[lavish jacinth]

but his other primaries are still solid

nailgun is an excellent dps workhorse, scrap launcher gives decent aoe and a quick burst of dps, rebar is for burst and long range, saw is hard to use but has great procs and damage output

[steady stone]

it VERY much varies depending on what you're using, rebar would be burst, nailgun would be proc

screenshot because i summarize this too much

[lavish jacinth]

I'd say mul-t is always a proc character unless you're just firing a single rebar for some weird reason

rebar just gives him a burst damage option (and he also has transport mode for that)

[steady stone]

600% is enough to take the total damage items over base id say

like atg > tritip any day with rebar

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, atg is always good

[steady stone]

true, i just cant think of any other total damages

oh, sticky bomb i guess, but

[lavish jacinth]

but yeah, I wouldn't build rebar the same way I'd build loader or railgunner, it's nowhere near that level

[steady stone]

yeah, i guess it is more of an in-between
like id say bands are maybe C or D tier on rebar

[lavish jacinth]

but yeah, point is, on-hit effects are really good on mul-t

bleed in particular goes crazy with nailgun or saw

[lavish jacinth]

also also
saw + nail powermode

[wispy hinge]

What do i do to unlock powermodr

[steady stone]

vields after stage 7 iirc?

[lavish jacinth]

complete void fields on stage 7 or later, yeah

[steady stone]

meaning ||go to the Bazaar and drop down to the purple portal below the shop||, for vields

[lavish jacinth]

potentially one of the harder ones to get, but worth it

[silver glade]

im playing modded and me and my friend have the exact same mods yet when we try to start the game the ready button bugs and says that theres only 1 player or that theres 4 players, even if we do load in the entire game is just bugging out

we know that we have the exact same mods

so how do we fix it

[wispy hinge]

What would be a good red item for mul t

[mellow crystal]

turn off crossplay is always the first solution to try

[lavish jacinth]

there's nothing really specific to him, so any of the usual good ones + any sots reds

[sudden wave]

does growth increase meridian wills range?

[honest badger]

symbiotic scorpion is good for double nailgun mult

[lavish jacinth]

no, but it increases the duration of the buff you get from it

[placid eagle]

Does droneman work on aurelionite?

[pastel seal]

Hi, i've just recently started playing the game and only have 30 hours, but I notice something weird in the logbook

I don't know why but it won't let me send the screenshot, but basically in the survivor logbook there's a character I can't identify

[honest badger]

it may be the secret character

she can't be selected but you can get her in the middle of a run

[pastel seal]

So... Its like something to be activated? I'm trying not to watch any videos about the game but I just noticed it and it looked kind of weird

[honest badger]

yep

the only hint ill give you is ||it has to do with "Heresy"||

[pastel seal]

Well... I kind of assumed it was that character, because In the roles chat is the only character I can't identify, and the other ones appeared in the dlc trailers and either way, I don't have the dlc so they can't appear in the logbook

But thanks for the hint

[lavish jacinth]

you need a role to send images btw, #roles

[pastel seal]

I'll assume it has something to do with the massive portal on level 5, I only got inside once and died so maybe it's that

[pastel seal]

Thanks

[honest badger]

there are a lot of unrelated secrets in this game

[lavish jacinth]

no, it only works on mechanical allies

[pastel seal]

there

[lavish jacinth]

so drones, turrets (except squid turret), empathy cores and goobo if it's cloning a robot

[honest badger]

also some regular enemies allied by happiest mask

like solus control unit or alloy worship unit

[placid eagle]

awh mann

[tepid thunder]

thats

[opal zealot]

why aren't I getting the "Protein Heavy Diet" achievement here?

[mellow crystal]

40 spikes from growth + 4 base

[deft ridge]

soo whats the spawn rate for halcyon shrines in stage 2 if you go through a green portal stage one? i used to find one almost everytime, but now in like 15+ runs i havent gotten a single shrine on stage two.

side note:i have gotten gold portal on stage 5 at the earliest, and the past coupl;e of runs i did i havent gotten one on stage 5

[terse mesa]

HOW TO find radio Scanners

[lavish jacinth]

Just get lucky and have one spawn, that's it

[terse mesa]

I am Beyond Unlucky

[lavish jacinth]

Enabling command and sacrifice increases the odds a bit

Are you trying to get the disturbed impact log by any chance?

[terse mesa]

that too

[lavish jacinth]

Don't bother, it's still bugged and unobtainable

[terse mesa]

Good Game

[lyric pasture]

is Benthic Bloom worth getting or is it not worth sacrificing all whites and greens

[fallen bridge]

benthic really hurts builds in the short-term but after a little while you do eventually become invincible

[viral sorrel]

if youre looping its pretty much an instant pickup otherwise its iffy

also keep in mind it cant get rid of void items or lunars which can be some of the strongest items in the game

so you can still have a very strong build that just gets a bunch of random reds stacked on top of it lmao

[slow urchin]

chat can a teleport spawn inside a void seed?

[primal vector]

Yes

[molten quarry]

Yes that can be the case it usually isn't an issue unless you get a bugged void seed at 1 monster left

[placid mauve]

What if you loop that's when it destroys the run since you lose all your defence speed and damage

It can be ok if you only have it for one or two stages since you only lose some items but get a fair amount of reds

[slow urchin]

any tips on how to use loader? I can't seem to figure out the movement

[placid mauve]

Your shift is your main source of damage, so is really good on her
I dunno how to describe how to use the m2 honestly, just use it either to swing in an arc (if you're moving perpendicularly to the rope) or to pull you towards things

[slow urchin]

got to mithrix phase 3 on my first run as her, was killed by him because I couldn't figure out how to get more shield

[mellow crystal]

Loader has the mobility to avoid mithrix easily while damaging him I'd say, especially with piercing punch

[slow urchin]

Also yes I did the pillar skip

[placid mauve]

If you get an that is peak for loader since it helps keep the barrier up between enemies if you have ok healing
I think mithrix probably does too much damage to try to pure facetank using the barrier from the m1, you're definitely better off using the shift like celestine said

[restive slate]

is there a limit to items

[daring cloak]

No

[restive slate]

so i can technically get a bunch of soilder syrnges

[daring cloak]

Yes

[agile pawn]

for the "It's Getting Hot In Here" achievment, can it be burn or ignite or only burn?

[mellow crystal]

burn and ignite are the same debuff

ignite is just a keyword used to show that something applies burn

[agile pawn]

shit. I mean the stronger burn. whats it called

[mellow crystal]

oh yeah stronger burn works too

[agile pawn]

thats what i was asking. my bad for being unclear in my wording im a bit slow

thank you :3

[slow urchin]

Died to mithrix aoe rotating attack but I think I understand loader now

[placid mauve]

Indeed
The most I've ever had is 340

[restive slate]

How the hell do they even do that

[placid mauve]

Best way to avoid it is go really far away (to reduce the amount of time you spend in it, since the proportion of arc length that is inside the bars decreases with distance), and hopefully you get hit by none or only one, if you have a couple warped echo that usually keeps you safe enough from the few that do hit you

[placid mauve]

It was on a run I did that lasted about 8 hours, I got pretty close to 340 on my 17 hour run too

[mellow crystal]

what
no the best way to avoid it is to be close since it's easier to rotate with it when you're closer

[restive slate]

8 hours?😭

[steady stone]

most things don't have a cap, so you can just keep looping and getting items
syringe is actually one of the few with a cap, technically, due to a max fire rate

[restive slate]

What’s the max fire rate teto?

[mellow crystal]

look at how slow it is when you're close up 😭

[steady stone]

it depends on the character i believe, but you can't like do more than one action per tick, and there's frame rounding so it does nothing to stack until you hit a certain number, etc
there's a charlie graph around here somewhere

it's irrelevant in a normal short run, but still possible, unlike tougher times

[placid mauve]

I just leave it up to probability since there's longer between the sections you can get hit and each section is shorter (timewise) when you're further away

[mellow crystal]

"i'd rather rely on luck than on getting close and pressing the movement keys"
i don't like saying skill issue in this channel specifically but like

how can i not in this situation 😭

[placid mauve]

It's just planning

[mellow crystal]

staying close to mithrix after he does sky slam so you can avoid pizza more easily is also planning

[placid mauve]

Also you don't need to rotate with it if you're far away since you only need to just run away from each section (until it fires) or run through it (just after it fires)

It's also not a huge priority to dodge since if you have a warped echo it doesn't do much damage and you can just bungus it back

[placid mauve]

Like the main dodging of the mithrix fight is the hammer and shockwaves, and the spikes in phase 3 since if he has all your items he can often onetap you

[mellow crystal]

ig but i'd rather recommend the person who's (presumably) never beat mithrix the simplicity of "move in the same direction it's rotating" over all of that

[mellow crystal]

it's like telling a new player to move between the spikes of false son's spike shotgun instead of just
yknow
moving to the side and jumping

[placid mauve]

That's fair I suppose (it is a lot more complex sounding written down than it actually is to be honest)

[placid mauve]

Also is that attack telegraphed like I've never noticed any telegraphs on it
Not that I can specifically remember ever seeing him do the attack

[mellow crystal]

it has a short windup animation but you do need good reaction time for it, especially if you're in melee range
usually i just rely on the thought of "if he doesn't do spikes after 2-3 slams i'd better be fucking ready because he's doing them after those slams"

[placid mauve]

"if he doesn't do spikes after 2-3 slams i'd better be fucking ready because he's doing them after those slams"
Is that a mechanic? Where enemies are more likely to use attacks they've not used for a short while? Or is that just a heuristic sorta thing

[mellow crystal]

kinda??
every enemy has cooldowns on their attacks in the same way as survivors, fs seems to use his spikes whenever possible, and the cooldown is roughly long enough to fit a few slams in it

so while it's not directly coded in, it ends up going "my spikes are off cd, i'm gonna use them -> my spikes are on cd, i'm gonna slam -> spikes are still on cd, time to slam -> spikes are off cd, spike time"

[tender temple]

wait does false son's alt shift unlock require it to be YOUR aurelionite or aurelionite in general?

cause i want to help my friend get it while i have halc seed in my rebirth but i dont know if it would even work

[mellow crystal]

i don't think anyone's tested this yet actually

i'd assume it has to be your aurelionite but no guarantees

[tender temple]

it doesnt specify thats why im asking

well i guess we could test that later

[restive slate]

how does having multiple old guillotines works

[mellow crystal]

increases the execute threshold

[restive slate]

ty also im trying to unlock the move which is start and finish scorched acres or the other one without falling below 100% hp, i have the item which makes me have practically only shield but 1 hp and i didnt get it why?

[mellow crystal]

it counts shield as hp

barrier works tho, since it gets you above 100% hp

[restive slate]

damn it, whats the best way to do that then?

[mellow crystal]

honestly i'd just say stack movespeed, , and

[restive slate]

ngl i dont think ive ever seen a pink item, havent been playing for that long

[daring cloak]

Theyre dlc items from the survivors of the void dlc

[solemn wind]

Do will-o-wisp explosions or atg missiles count towards the damage for the seeker alt utility unlock?

[daring cloak]

I dont think so

[solemn wind]

Dang

So my greens are useless then

[tender temple]

its specifically the initial hit

not the consequences of said hit

[solemn wind]

Yeah that's what i figured i just wish my greens weren't all completely useless lol

[clever acorn]

how the hell do you beat false son dudf'

[austere bay]

Does Voidsent flame have a proc cooefficient?

[solemn wind]

You're gonna want decent defense and healing, use the geodes whenever you have lunar ruin, it's probably best to keep at mid-range cause at a distance he's more likely to teleport around and be generally a pain to track the movement of but up close he'll crush you, learn his telegraphs and practice dodging, and remember that he can't heal but you can so you don't need to keep up the pressure but it can be helpful to find ways to make him do so or to get out of range

Also cover's pretty helpful

[fringe fiber]

is still good or no?

[solemn wind]

Extremely

[rapid wasp]

isn't that the primary one I love captains primary

[solemn wind]

It is and so do I but heresy is still also good on him

[rapid wasp]

fair point

[fringe fiber]

So shotgun or Hersey cause there's no way to make the Hersey dmg better

Also is spamming is 1st nuke instead of Diablo a bug still or no

[marble osprey]

Yep, 1.0

[fringe fiber]

@rapid wasp u know?

[solemn wind]

What are you asking here?

[rapid wasp]

I don't understand

[livid wedge]

Because this is game questions

[solemn wind]

I said what not why I don't know what question is being asked

[livid wedge]

Fair

[fringe fiber]

Should i use heresy even tho the damage is low and theres no way to make it better

[solemn wind]

That's a playstyle thing

If you want direct damage, shotgun. If you want on-hit effects and to lean into your items' use, heresy. It also helps with range and crowd control