ror2-game-questions

[foggy vessel]

that sounds about right, because his lunar spike things home slightly iirc and travel super fast so staying in the air with no movement items seems like not the best play

im impatient :3

i dont like poking him i like SMACKING him

[lavish jacinth]

more power to you then, but it's not the strategy I'd recommend

[foggy vessel]

but fuzzy if you want a tip that can help set you up before p4 in the first place that takes absolutely no skill

just save a damage equipment (if you have one) for p4

using sawblades or crunder gives you a massive headstart in regaining ur items and doing damage to mithwix :3

[foggy vessel]

i think i have a clip of me tanking like 10 stacks of collapse and scorpion from mithrix lol

[lavish jacinth]

I didn't say it wasn't possible, it's fine if you know what you're doing

but for someone struggling with that phase who just wants a way to beat it, playing it safe is the better option

[foggy vessel]

wut

[lavish jacinth]

they said they died to that phase multiple times and wanted advice, I'm not gonna tell them to do pro strats when there's a much easier option

[foggy vessel]

yeah that... makes sense

[north drift]

My thingy thing says the next altar is behind this door, but I have no way to get there- any ideas?

[foggy vessel]

if you had the necessary equipment you could probably try to do a wrap around with volc egg or bug wings

since you have artifact of command, you can try to find an orange barrel to get a util to fly around somehow

[north drift]

Tysm^^

[foggy vessel]

np 💚

[livid gyro]

how do i find the alter to n'kuhana?

[peak jacinth]

do you want a hint or the exact location?

[livid gyro]

exact location ig

[peak jacinth]

it’s off the edge of Wetland Aspect stage 2. there’s a cave with a skeleton inside.

[livid gyro]

thanks!!

[wintry fjord]

Does lysate cell actually give a 33% reduction it doesn't seem like it does

[lavish jacinth]

Only on the first stack but yeah

[wintry fjord]

Oh, I assume that's the same thing for unstable transmitter or whatever

Wait no, the other green that stacks for every secondary

Lightning

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

and hardlight afterburner

[wintry fjord]

No that's a red

[lavish jacinth]

I know, I'm just mentioning it because it also works that way

[wintry fjord]

Oh ok

[north drift]

Is there always a chest that gives a red in verdant falls? I have sacrifice on and it gave me one

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't always give a red but yeah, there's a spot that always has either a large chest or a scrapper

no idea why

[ashen dawn]

Which version of DirectX RoR2 uses?

[knotty kestrel]

Okay solid advice, thanks!! I heard a lot the "don't stay more than 5mins at each stage", but tbh I feel the need to loot a lot

The thing is, I got a run where I had insane dps (thanks to some lunar item that doubles dmg but halves health) and I killed the granparent in a few seconds, but mithrix insta-killed me in one attack
So I guess here I need to learn to dodge better

[vestal radish]

Does timed security chest give more equiments with active Sale Star

( chest on Rally Point Delta)

[trim narwhal]

that was advice from like early access release. but items keep getting stronger /buffed, recycler/card were added, scrappers were added, more printers, a lot of old stages had less items, etc. theres more stuff to do per stage and grabbing out of the way items are more worth now

[livid wedge]

Yeah, the better method is to leave the stage with more items than minutes

[steady stone]

Quality also matters though, like it's very good to manage and get more strong items at the cost of time
Turning 5 items into kjaros on loader is a +0 item, but a huge boost in power

[trim narwhal]

also survivor buffs too, like release artificer had pretty bad coefficients, meaning a lot of items were worse and not worth the time. that and most proc items werent total dmg% so they werent great on arti anyways (and bands were just proc items so haha arti)

and also decent items today like helfire tincture for instance, well on release repulsion plates and planula or whatever werent even in the game, so. or i mean old headstompers were bugged, frost relic was trash, nearly all the healing items were flat and bad,

[trim narwhal]

yea, back then though bands were just %chance to proc items that didnt have insane synergies like that. or even for attack speed characters, bleed wasnt like something that could carry your build, it was flat and couldnt stack and was pretty mediocre. the best way to instantly get strong was like a sticky bomb printer tbh

[steady stone]

yeah there have definitely been more buffs than nerfs
the only drastic nerf I can think of is sticky bomb tbh, at least for like MulT

[analog brook]

Does death mark work with chef's kiss?

[knotty kestrel]

Ahhh okay!

I tried to play a bit with MUL-T but he is super slow, it's a bit less enjoyable

[trim narwhal]

nah, i think theyre buffs

[trim narwhal]

theyre the same walk/run speed as others, but they have lower acceleration, so it feels worse

[peak jacinth]

shaped glass got the biggest nerf of all time lol

[worldly olive]

Walk in a circle

Admittidley as arti its a bit more finnicky Since she has lower acceleration but generally as long as you don't have an excessive amount of movement speed you should dodge the needles just fine

[jolly dune]

sorry a bit of a stupid question but to get mercenary, I need to obliterate myself at the obelisk does the dificulty of the run have to be any specific one?

[wide parrot]

Nope

[jolly dune]

thanks

[strong smelt]

I just hopped on and saw that drizzle has a tutorial now?

[peak holly]

Yeah.

[inner wadi]

is there a way for me and my friend to play im on pc and hes on ps5

[wide parrot]

Nope

[crude hemlock]

I thought if you oblit as heretic you get whatever the character you did it withs skin unlock

[peak jacinth]

you don’t

[crude hemlock]

well i know that now dont I haha

[peak jacinth]

iirc it counts as a run completed as that survivor for logbook, but doesn’t count for the skin

[quasi crystal]

The only thing heretic counts for are logbooks and eclipse

[eternal storm]

do engineer's turrets get war bonds? i fought voidling and had almost no money, yet he almost died while i was in the PARKOUR section.

[crude hemlock]

gad damn it

i was hoping to skip huntress as shes so boring

atleast Heritic was fun i gies

[full apex]

get all heresy except her blink

though the base stats would still be bad

[crude hemlock]

ah i just did my one monsoon to 8 run, prob never get her again aha

[quasi crystal]

Yes @eternal storm

[eternal storm]

dang

[humble phoenix]

Hey who do you think the best is for solo monsoon runs

[lavish jacinth]

every character is viable so the "best" is basically just whoever you like the most, but if you just want an easy win then would be good options

[steady stone]

also for reliable healing with huge burst, but yeah loader or rg are very good
possibly too

[humble phoenix]

yeah ive been using void but loader feels more solid and well rounded

[twin valley]

idk if this is so much a game uestion but why is false sons boss music labeled part 1 of the path of the colossus tracks ive never understood that

[lavish jacinth]

because there are 3 parts to it

[quasi crystal]

The songs were released before the dlc @twin valley Chris labeled them as such for his own reasons

[lavish jacinth]

I also wouldn't put it past Chris to just put "part 1" in the name of a song for absolutely no reason at all

[quasi crystal]

I just figured the songs were composed in that order and it just so happens to most boss fight fitting part is 1. Though I'm just speculating

[wintry fjord]

Can you get a regen scrap printer

[wide parrot]

no

[hoary sedge]

they should make it so regen scrap printers can spawn but they give you the consumed version

[wintry fjord]

Fr

[hoary sedge]

although ig it would kinda just always be strictly better to print all of your scrap if you see one unless there's another green printer on the stage so maybe not

[quasi crystal]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:CannotDuplicate_Items

I don't get why chance doll is there it doesn't seem to be game breaking

[peak jacinth]

it’s strong to print tbh, but still weird that it’s banned

[quasi crystal]

You can print other economy items that aren't instantly 1:1

[trim narwhal]

instakill stuff like voidling black hole still let you repair drones after death, or?

[quasi crystal]

yeah

[peak jacinth]

only key and request form no? Chance doll is like way better to print than those

[median salmon]

how can i power up a loop proc chain build? currently have an icbm, 12 plimps, 6 polylutes, a few voidsent flames, a sentient meat hook, and some bands

[peak jacinth]

basically any damaging proc item will help it and also damaging on kills too, etc.

[vital ether]

how does affect healing items that already incur healing over time?? eg. , ,

[peak jacinth]

for slug, it increases regeneration which is unaffected by corpsebloom, for the others it’s a little more complicated.

Essentially, corpsebloom stores the healing you gain and spits it back out doubled in chunks of a maximum of 10% healing, so it essentially will give the healing over a longer timeframe. It’s actually really useful for bungus because you can “store” a bunch of healing and you still get that healing once you start moving again

[crude hemlock]

Anyone able to glance at this and tell me what the "secret" ones im missing?

[turbid hinge]

my lb in my controller isnt working properly and I couldnt charge the fists

it releases it on its own

now how to play rex

[crude hemlock]

Its quite odd, you basically kill yourself to dmg. on the other hand you can just pew pew with m1 to get hp

I kinda like it, kinda hate it

[fast widget]

Getting back into game, did a loop and currently on Stage 6. Just finished a halcyon shrine and a portal spawned. Will I be able to obliterate if I use the portal?
yep

[turbid hinge]

yes but like what items should I target synergies etc, what comboes should I focus on and what heresy should i take

[crude hemlock]

Err I'm far from an expert

Don't take lunar bug that gives shield or your brick your run

Razor wire is good

Attack speed for M1 bands for m2

You can spawn the vulture egg boss and slam him into the pillar for easy red item

[crude hemlock]

As basically it will trigger anytime you press M2

I think if my memory is right

Movement speed / jump is nice cos he's slow AF

Tho you can fire the pushback skill into the ground Infront and that's kinda movement tech

[frail cosmos]

I've been playing some Artificer recently but it's been really weird having to use all double jumps before gliding, and not having the choice to not double jump and go straight into the glide. Is there any way to change that?

[turbid hinge]

I always spawn and kill him

[crude hemlock]

The red that doubles healing and the one that shoots skulls good

But red item is good is not exactly news

[jovial whale]

I believe there is a mod called Risk of Option that enhances your settings with additional customization options. One of its features allows you to change Artificer's hover from toggle to hold, making it easier to avoid unintentionally triggering double jump instead of a hover in most situations. I hope this helps! (I may be mistaken about the exact mod, but it's a dependency mod, so it will automatically be added to your list when you download any related mods)

[lavish jacinth]

the toggle/hold thing is in vanilla now, you don't need a mod

[jovial whale]

Holy, its been so long since i played without mods, i couldnt recall it being in vanilla. Thanks

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, sots added a bunch of QoL settings

[spice ocean]

will visions of heresy on false son disable the special M2 slam attack?

[marble osprey]

Tbf it is worse in vanilla bc in the modded version it stays on after using ion surge while in vanilla it deactivates after ion surge and you have to reactivate it which is much more annoying
There's also a mod to just fix that called jethack tho

[jovial whale]

So it was an only modded version option before it got added to the game!

[jovial whale]

I did some research and apparently it doesnt interfere with his slam since it's a combined input. I haven't tried it for myself yet. I'll make an update tomorrow after testing it

[steady stone]

I would assume it works fine
I can at least say that on Chef, using Yes Chef will overwrite any of the heretic skills with the boosted variants

i would imagine similar situation

[lavish jacinth]

it does

the normal club temporarily replaces your m2 while swinging, but that effect is built into the club itself, so replacing it with visions also gets rid of the charged attack

[steady stone]

oh wait, false son is an "if holding M1, swap M2"?

i thought it was vise versa

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it works the same as railgunner's scope

[steady stone]

yeah but RG scope ignores visions doesn't it
am I crazy

[lavish jacinth]

RG scope ignores visions because it's her m2 replacing her m1 in that case

but if you take hooks then you can't do sniper shots anymore, since you don't have a scope

[steady stone]

yeah, so like yes chef
i think I just had the ability order wrong was all

[steady stone]

and then the opposite on slam

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[eternal storm]

Can engineer turrets own money? How does stuff like roll of pennies and war bonds work on it?

[lavish jacinth]

they basically function like another player in multiplayer, they have their own "wallet" and any gold they gain from killing enemies gets shared with the whole team. Roll of pennies only gives gold to the person holding it though, so engie doesn't gain any direct benefit from that

[eternal storm]

Oh ok that’s neat

Would they give gold to the enemy when they get killed then?

[lavish jacinth]

idk how they work with war bonds off the top of my head, but if it's not blacklisted then I'd imagine it also works the same way as another player in multiplayer (which I'm also not sure of because I mainly play solo lol)

[lavish jacinth]

I think so

[eternal storm]

It should be blacklisted but I straight up nearly killed voidling during the parkour phase when I barely had any gold so I assumed all the turrets got war bonds and nuked him

[eternal storm]

so I can just kill that enemy for more gold than usual

[lavish jacinth]

I'd have to check, enemies having gold is weird lol

[eternal storm]

Yea

[lavish jacinth]

war bonds is so broken that it would probably just do that even without turrets having it

it can proc and benefits from multipliers, and since it does %health damage, a few stacks of ap rounds is all it takes for it to reliably kill any boss in the game

[real pecan]

icl what is the easiest way to remove a yellow item with command artefact on

i might have made a mistake

[livid wedge]

Zoea but that would convert all yellows

[jovial whale]

I guess picking "Egocentrism". It's not practical bc it can take other items from your inventory and it can take a long time to get rid of a specific item. But since scrapper and printers dont spawn whit Command Artifact, it's the only way, other than Zoea ofcourse

[lavish jacinth]

you also can't get rid of ego with command since cleansing pools don't spawn either

[jovial whale]

True. It's just a matter of can you loot faster than ego can loot you

[fresh umbra]

I was wondering. Thanks

[manic brook]

when new dlc 🥩💔

💔💔

[steady stone]

a whole new dlc would be, like, at LEAST 2026 2027
they still have to do the sots roadmap

[lavish jacinth]

and that's IF we get one. Afaik the devs have never said anything about whether we'll get a third one

[quasi crystal]

Verdant falls

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, the guaranteed scrapper is a thing

[livid wedge]

Well, 50/50

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, and you'd have to get verdant in the first place

it'd be a pain in the ass if rng isn't on your side but it's the only way to remove it with no downside

[south scaffold]

Ok so I just got two Reds ( & Warbonds) from one singular Chance Shrine. Without a Chance Doll.
Does anyone know what the odds of that??

[lavish jacinth]

0.01%

[south scaffold]

Dang.

[quasi crystal]

Can you host skip with opals on e3

[marble osprey]

I think max fall damage is 2x your max health so 2 opals should let you live but it'd still deal like 70% of your health

And you'd barely survive with 1 opal and some other defensive items

[lavish jacinth]

shields help a lot with soaking up fall damage too

[quasi crystal]

I thought I. Eclipse it was 4x

[lavish jacinth]

nah, it's 2x and lethal, same as frailty

[marble osprey]

I think it doubles the damage but not the damage cap, not 100% sure on that tho

I can test it rq if you're like in a run and wondering if you're gonna die

[quasi crystal]

im not i can test it dw

[marble osprey]

Ok yeah with artifact of frailty on and 2 opals you live with 33% health, don't even break your watches

Too late lol

[quasi crystal]

the curse was more what i was interested in but you still helped lol ty

i took 12 with 10 opals

[median salmon]

anyone have some mods or settings to help decrease lag?

https://youtu.be/Icmsd_hSeFI
context

[lavish jacinth]

on late stages like that, there's only so much you can do to fix lag, besides like... buying a better computer, lol.
Just in general turning all the graphics settings down will help, the menu actually tells you which things have the most gpu/cpu impact. Turning corpse cleanup to immediate and turning off gold/exp effects also helps

#ror2-modding would be the place to ask about mods, but just running mods in the first place has a performance impact, so optimization mods don't usually help much beyond getting better performance with other mods.

some items are also pretty bad for performance, being two of the biggest culprits

[median salmon]

got it

ty

[jaunty snow]

the programming of the clover is horrific

[lament light]

i just found a clover printer im at 6, pray for my pc

is there any specific rules on the halycon shrine spawning? im trying to get false son and have the item but no luck with the shrines

[marble osprey]

No specific rule afaik, just much more likely on the first stage
Easiest way to get there tho is always gonna be looking for path of Colossus stages in the newt shop after stages 1 or 2, or gilded coast after 1, 2, or 3 (or the loop variants of the same)

[lament light]

ok cool i just got to titanic so ill go newt

[lament light]

is the one on the right the one im looking for?

[marble osprey]

Yep that's it

[lament light]

awesome ty

[north drift]

Yooo do armor piercing rounds have an effect on Mythrix?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

they work on anything that gets a red healthbar at the top of the screen

[north drift]

Tysm

[jaunty snow]

yall if you do a run on seeker or false son and submit it to category extensions you get the seeker or false son WR speedrun no matter what'

[lavish jacinth]

I guess technically you would

unless it requires multiple runs for one of them to count as a record, idk how the rules work

[south scaffold]

Just curious, is Mithrix still able to use Safer Spaces?
I was watching a video Race made about Mithrix’s phase 4 and how he has blacklisted items.
I figured since it’s been a year, surely Safer Spaces has been added to the blacklist… right?

[lavish jacinth]

it's blacklisted now

[quasi crystal]

its been blacklisted since i started which was devotion

[shadow summit]

guys how many watches i need for 1m damage on rail gunner

guys how many watches i need for 1m damage on rail gunner

guys how many watches i need for 1m damage on rail gunner

[mellow crystal]

too many

better to just stack shaped glass and crowbars

[shadow summit]

ok but how much is too many

[mellow crystal]

at level 94, which is max level iirc, you deal 7050 damage per weakpoint shot
in order to get that to 1 million, you'd need a damage boost of around 14200%
that's 710 watches

without ever falling below 25% health either, otherwise you lose all your watches

[shadow summit]

ok

can i just stack that armor to never die

[mellow crystal]

yes but it would take a lot of stacks too
especially if you're referring to since that only reduces damage by 5

[weak kettle]

how much shaped glass

ik it might be a skill issue on my part

50% health im fine with

but 25 is rough

[mellow crystal]

depends on how many crowbars you have

oh right ap rounds should work well too since it stacks multiplicatively with other damage items

[weak kettle]

also i need to pillar skip with head stompers and its not working istg im doing the same thing as them :/

[shadow summit]

ok

[weak kettle]

well i mean like in a normal run and you have the option of getting like up to 5 shaped glasses, how many would u take?

[quasi crystal]

You could do it on the newt

[mellow crystal]

just going for 1mil damage probably either 2 or all of them
after like 3 stacks you just die in one shot regardless anyway so may as well go all in

[weak kettle]

yea i wondered if there was a 'fuck it we ball' threshold

[quasi crystal]

Tbh glass in itself is that same with purity just go all in

[weak kettle]

purity is the one where u like have no attack speed for skill cdr?

[mellow crystal]

no that's light flux pauldron
purity is -2s cd on all skills but you get evil effect

[quasi crystal]

yeah like 1 can be workable but anymore and just ball

[frail cosmos]

Does Ben's Raincoat remove the debuff from the Lunar potions that doubles your stats? And how reliable is it?

[slim spoke]

one, lunar affliction exists as an item so no, ben's raincoat can't affect it in anyway
two, raincoat works on a cooldown, not rng

[frail cosmos]

The Tonic affliction counts as an item, even when it's an equipment?

And by reliable, I meant, if you get the debuff, while the raincoat is on cooldown, when the raincoat refreshes, does it retroactively remove the debuff, or can it only affect incoming debuff?

[analog brook]

Tonic affliction is a grey tier item that gets added to your inventory, not a debuff nor equipment. However, it does NOT take effect while you're under the influence of the tonic again.

So if you make it have permanent uptime with gesture of the drowned, afflictions won't do anything except maybe for the beggining of the stage

[frail cosmos]

Gotcha, good to know

[slim spoke]

i suppose it will remove said debuff
but normally you wouldnt have any when it goes off cd ngl

[urban terrace]

whats the difference between "base damage" and "total damage"?

like luminous shot for example.

[lavish jacinth]

base damage is a stat that scales with your level, for most survivors it's 12 (+2.4/lvl). Anything dealing base damage will be a percent of that stat.
Total damage is exclusively used by on-hit effects, and is a percentage of the hit that procced it

so like luminous shot would take whatever damage your primary deals and then deal 175% of that amount per bolt

[urban terrace]

oh, so if my M1 deals 1500% damage, the luminous shot would deal 175% of said damage?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[urban terrace]

peak.

thanks.

[lavish jacinth]

it's also based on the amount BEFORE adding damage multipliers like focus crystal or watch, but procs can still benefit from multipliers if they still meet the condition when they actually hit

[urban terrace]

oh, so it scales based off the M1 without buffs, then adds the buffs?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

so they can still benefit but can't double dip on the same multiplier

[urban terrace]

btw, unrelated, but is it just a coincidence that dealing too much overdamage to mithrix before the 4th phase bug him and removes his iframes? or is that just a common bug?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's a thing that can happen

he has a single frame where he's not immune to damage at the very start of phase 4, so if you're lucky you can hit him on that frame and kill him, or at least stagger him out of the item steal animation

[urban terrace]

hm, makes sense.

[lavish jacinth]

is particularly good at it because its hitbox checks for a target on every frame

[urban terrace]

true, just gotta kill him at the center.

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[urban terrace]

good stuff.

[turbid hinge]

didnt unlock yet lol

[turbid hinge]

stagger him? he has poise

[steady current]

just wondering, are any other environment logs besides Disturbed Impact bugged currently?

[lavish jacinth]

I think the alternate variants of bulwark's ambry are still bugged

[livid wedge]

Nah, the ambry logs work now

I've got them

[steady current]

they were definetly bugged on sots release but i also got them recently

[lavish jacinth]

ah ok, I remembered someone having trouble with them recentlyish but I couldn't remember if it was before the patch

[marble osprey]

I personally have all the logs besides disturbed impact and golden dieback so I can definitely say all the others work, and I haven't heard anything about golden dieback being bugged I just don't go there often

[signal tundra]

If I got a build that has insta refreshing blast shower, should I take a double green bands or a singularity?

[mellow crystal]

greens are just more powerful overall unless you have like
a really specific build on a specific character

but even then i'd just always pick regular bands for my go-to

[ancient bridge]

does the game count eclipse-wins as wins? because I just won with rex (defeated false son, then mithrix, then escaped the moon) and it doesn't show in my stats.. or is it because I had a few quality of life mods?

[lavish jacinth]

they should count afaik, but run history has literally never worked properly lol

[ancient bridge]

maybe it takes a while to update in stats? because I used to think it wouldn't count them if I defeated voidling, because my only win with false son was when I escaped the planetarium and run history said fate unknown

[ancient bridge]

lmao

[lavish jacinth]

fate unknown is just the ending you get for defeating voidling, there's nothing special for it

but sometimes run history just kinda breaks

[ancient bridge]

yeah i know but will it count that as a win in profile stats?

[ancient bridge]

sounds great hahaha

[lavish jacinth]

it should, yeah

tho eclipse wins are also weird in general, they count as a monsoon win for unlocking skins, but they don't give survivor logs

[ancient bridge]

ohh then maybe it's that

thanks for your help 👍

[lavish jacinth]

np

[quasi crystal]

Don't let #ror2-discussion read this

[proud crescent]

Does transcendance work for no healing?

[slim spoke]

ruins it

absolutely ruins it awhole

[fresh umbra]

Yes, but know this

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Transcendence

[lavish jacinth]

health regen also doesn't count as healing, so natural regen or cautious slug are fine

[proud crescent]

I was doing the challenge

[fresh umbra]

I see

[proud crescent]

It worked

I thought it would, but I wanted to comfirm

Confirm

[visual token]

on Acrid if you have purtiy if you hold m1 and m2 down at together will they both go off? I hear the audio but cant really tell

[fresh umbra]

M2 will only go off once if you hold it down

Even with purity

[full apex]

theres a mod for autofire which is really nice

especially because they removed it from neurotoxin

[visual token]

It uses the cooldown still tho

[edgy night]

To unlock False Son as a playable character, when you reach phase 3 of the boss do you need to kill the aurlionite

[south scaffold]

Just curious, what situations are better than ?
…besides on REX. That one kinda stands out as an obvious reason to take ATG.

[peak jacinth]

if you have clover atg is much better. If your character has a high proc rate like mando or MULT, or you have a >1 proc coefficient like RG it’s also worth considering. Also if you’re just not very good at dodging AtG will probably be better.

Personally I think in all scenarios other than with rex and clover that shrimp is better, but people will disagree with me on that.

[latent jasper]

Guys, may i get some tips and trick in this game?

[frosty reef]

Here's a couple good videos to start off

https://youtu.be/aJWfwbG93Z8?si=rzySkZ_uFmosNB9t
https://youtu.be/m4UPMPmKAPI?si=qf5KdgXQTOT3F4e2

[latent jasper]

For simulacrom?

[lavish jacinth]

simu is a lot simpler since there's no time management, I wouldn't say there's any real trick to it but anything related to combat in the base game still applies.
Mainly just stay moving as much as possible and learn which enemies to prioritize. Ideally you circestrafe around groups of enemies, but even just strafing back and forth and jumping is enough to throw off enemies' aim.

AoE items like are especially strong, and try to get some decent form of healing as soon as possible if your survivor doesn't have a built-in heal. is particularly good for going out into the fog

[quasi crystal]

What was sundered groves song before sotv

[trim lynx]

i think raindrop that fell to the sky?

i dont exactly remember though

[analog brook]

Does anyone know how clay templars actually work? I don't know if it's because of the update but I've had them fire out way more than 20. I had a clip where I was behind cover and it didn't stop shooting for over 15 seconds

Maybe it was client multiplayer jank or something...????

[mellow crystal]

could be an AI glitch?
afaik clay templars don't have any stocks on their rapid fire so they could theoretically fire infinitely, they just don't

[full apex]

The wiki just says within 10-75 meters with line of sight will cause them to shoot for 2s, which i believe should be repeated unless the conditions fail. If it was nonstop shooting and you were in the safe range, it may have thought it had sufficient line of sight, or if you were well and hidden my other guess would be mapping jank or desync yea

Idk if you mean 20 seconds, they should fire 20 shots per second at base but i dont think they have a limit for how long to shoot

[fresh umbra]

What kinds of items does acrid benefit best from? I don’t want to have to keep using tons of lunars to run purity and visions as i have been

[lime ermine]

how do you get Mercenary alt skin "The Prisoner"?

[daring cloak]

You dont have to unlock it, its already there

Unless you didnt update the game in like a year

[jovial whale]

You have to prioritise movement speed items on him. Then try to transcend his poison and melee damage to some items or equipments. Like shurikens, capacitor, crowdfunder just to get out of the melee range and apply poison. FMP builds work great on him

[jovial whale]

Yeah, it's free content in the Devotion Update

[visual token]

should I be getting light flux pauldron on acrid?

[nocturne sierra]

How rare are red item 3d printers, if they even exist

[lavish jacinth]

If you aren't using your primary much then sure

[lavish jacinth]

Extremely rare, but they do exist (barely)

[nocturne sierra]

Ok thanks

[nocturne sierra]

Did they make it so the blind pests and blind vermin have like a 50% to replace lemurians and wisps on rallypoint delta, or was that always a thing

[lavish jacinth]

nah it was always like that

[nocturne sierra]

Ok thank you

[sacred halo]

how do you get that swiss cheese lookin artifact that makes enimies drop items??

[lavish jacinth]

find the code for it
the wiki has all the codes if you don't wanna do the scavenger hunt, or a hint page if you want to find it yourself more easily https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifacts

[quasi crystal]

With both dlcs the game can bug out and think you don't have the dlc on a few maps

The sots maps seem to be the only exception

[sacred halo]

thank you

[quasi crystal]

Is Rex supposed to be so bad and so fun 😭

Rex isn't bad

While we don't know the intentions of the devs rexs default kit is incredibly good

[lavish jacinth]

his kit does suffer from a lot of antisynergies though, specifically with items that lose their effect when taking damage

[quasi crystal]

Which items if you say watch just like don't be dumb with his self damage?

[lavish jacinth]

slug, shields, opal, safer spaces, echo, plasma shrimp

elixir and watch aren't a hard antisynergy but it is easier for him to lose them by accident

[quasi crystal]

slug you dont need, shields asw, opal spaces and plimp are valid though

rex has like the least amount of reason to use slug no matter the loadout

[quasi crystal]

Is it worth getting the alt blast thing?

his alt secondary and alt utility are both worth getting, his alt special is really bad though. but really his defaults are good

his alt secondary doesnt hurt him and creates a small continous aoe wherever you aim it. his alt utility hurts him but also hurts enemies and heals you for every enemy hurt

Rex is just so silly

[spark pawn]

just unlocked eclipse 7

[quasi crystal]

Grats

E7 is my preferred difficulty

[spark pawn]

enemy cooldowns -50% sounds really hard

[quasi crystal]

Yeah it's one of the most impactful modifiers

[spark pawn]

that means mithrix will be much faster

he doesnt really walk around much

[quasi crystal]

Mithrix will pizza more

Alloy worship unit will be very difficult

[lavish jacinth]

grandparents and vagrants will also spam their big AoEs a lot more

it's a fun modifier once you get used to it though, imo

[quasi crystal]

Oh yeah vagrants won't be too bad but if you are having a bad run grandparents can just become a timesink

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you just need to pay extra attention to them

if you're used to the normal timing they can definitely throw you off

[lavish jacinth]

it might even be worth avoiding siren's entirely if you're willing to spend coins on seers, the stage already kinda sucks and e7 awu is a huge pain in the ass if you don't have a way to kill it easily

[quasi crystal]

I never willingly go to sirens

Even with a I'm dreaming for grove

[lavish jacinth]

the only real reason to go there at all is if you're in multiplayer and want the extra reds, but even that probably isn't worth it on e7

[pulsar flint]

I NEED URGENT HELP!!
I'm mid monsoon run (my first time) and I need to know what is the best red item to get?!

[lavish jacinth]

hard to go wrong with any of these
(if you have missile items)

the SotS items are also all pretty solid

[pulsar flint]

I uhh...have no idea what sots means... Cough

[lavish jacinth]

seekers of the storm, the second dlc

[pulsar flint]

I have neither dlc...

[lavish jacinth]

if you're not sure just go with , it doesn't stack well but the first stack is pretty much a 60% damage buff.
Or just pick whatever looks interesting, I assume you're using command so it's not like you can't recover from a bad choice

[pulsar flint]

Okie dokie :3 thanks 4 advice

Ooh also!!! I wanted to ask if fuel cell is normal 15% or uhh

I can't remember the word omg

HYPERBOLIC!!

It's hyperbolic I was thinking of

[lavish jacinth]

it's exponential

most forms of cooldown reduction are

[wintry fjord]

Can you get gun with bottled chaos

[lavish jacinth]

no

[south scaffold]

I’m curious, do people usually prefer Loader’s Pylon, or Slam?

[marble osprey]

Usually pylon afaik, it helps with movement and dealing with wisps while slam just kinda does what your charged punch already does

[lavish jacinth]

I've heard a lot of people say they prefer pylon for clearing out fodder and pylon boosting

[south scaffold]

Noted.

[marble osprey]

Also it can press buttons on aqueduct

[south scaffold]

-# …admittedly most of my deaths as Loader are from flying enemies, so perhaps I should swap back to Pylon, as fun as Thunderslam is.

[lavish jacinth]

slam isn't necessarily bad, it does have some high-level tech with slampunching and it works nicely for brawler playstyles

[south scaffold]

Slam is most definitely fun though at the very least.
Next time I decide to do a Loader run though I’ll give Pylon another… swing.

[pulsar flint]

I'm leaving the server bc of that

[sand plume]

yo does being heretic interfere with doing the trial of metamorphosis im putting in the code at the teleporter and the portal isnt spawning. (yes i made sure i was putting it the right code)

[lavish jacinth]

you can still do it as heretic

the portal doesn't work in eclipse though

[sand plume]

maybe the code sheet i was using is wrong cause im putting it in just right

also do i just stay as heretic in metamorphosis cause ill just have all the heresy items?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you'll change characters briefly and then immediately turn back to heretic

[sand plume]

Thanks for always being the goat fax machine

[lavish jacinth]

lol np

[lavish jacinth]

did this work, then?

[sand plume]

just gotta put it in and not die to the mini mushrooms

[sand plume]

thanks again

[tacit sand]

what are the best items for railgunner

[steady stone]

Railgunner is a "burst" character, so would be some good ones

that and things that base off of total damage, like , can make devastating hits

[tacit sand]

how do you get the bandss?

have yet to find them

[steady stone]

On abandoned aqueduct (stage 2) there are pressure plates that spawn around the map
A few possible spots, but only two spawn
You have to hit them both at the same time

This can be done with multiplayer, , , beacons, lunar coins

[quasi crystal]

Loaders pylon too

But it's easiest to just do it as captain or engineer since their methods take no practice and don't rely on luck

[tacit sand]

is it easier to beat mithrix if you loop?

[trim narwhal]

yes

[trim narwhal]

and the forbidden tech

slamming an item onto it lul

(dont try this at home)

actually, i dont think it even works after sots lol

[quasi crystal]

If a coin works an item should

[trim narwhal]

i mean where u use merc to slam the item onto the button

but merc slams dont work anymore

[quasi crystal]

Oh I wonder if kccdownpatcher mod lets you

[analog brook]

I've read a conosle bug report of this happening so if that is actually correct, it'd mean it's possible I think.

[trim narwhal]

like current patch or ?

[quasi crystal]

i can still push items

[analog brook]

It was post SotS, pre phase 1. I don't think they messed with physics after SotS to a major degree if any

Actually, apparently chef can push items extremely easy from what I saw. It was a clip of him just initiating a roll and jumping, and then the item flew away

[night violet]

when is phase 2

[cunning jay]

how rare is this? (a floating chest)

im using very few mods btw

[ionic igloo]

good to know that's a vanilla feature

well not good, but yeah

It doesn't happen a lot of the time, but I do run into drunk chests or void barnacles that just spawn midair occasionally

[cunning jay]

wow there are actually more floating stuff here that I didn't notice

i think this minimap mod allows me to notice floating chests I would never have noticed otherwise

[livid wedge]

Definitely not a vanilla feature

I've never had chests spawn completely off of terrain

[lavish jacinth]

I've never seen that either

[ionic igloo]

I haven't actually seen a floating chest, but I've seen them spawn on rocks in the Aqueduct (which I never saw before SotS even though it might technically be possible), and I've seen a few spawn 45 degrees off a cliff instead of being on flat land (which is probably not intended)

[fresh umbra]

I think i saw a floating chest or barrel once without mods, but it wasn’t nearly that high

[austere bay]

Is there a route to void fields as engineer on higher eclipse? or do I just need to hope for oneshot protection/aerial mvm on stage 1/2?

[hoary sedge]

https://youtu.be/TM7EmzLn-T8?si=V-8A661xcjDiUjs3 this route works with no items

but realistically if you don't have mobility items you probably shouldn't be going to vields anyway

[sterile pasture]

where can i find builds?

[minor wolf]

whats the alternative secondary for railgunner and is it any good?

[lavish jacinth]

There isn't really a good resource for builds (besides just asking people in this discord, I guess)
But builds in ror2 aren't really complicated enough to need it, in a normal run it's actually best to just mix a bunch of different items since they'll naturally build off of each other.

[lavish jacinth]

A full-auto scope that deals less damage (400%) but shoots much faster and doesn't need to reload.
It's technically a little worse than default in terms of overall dps but it's still strong on its own, and it does have way better attack speed scaling

[austere bay]

Is it worth picking up more than one copy of visions of heresy on engy?

[lavish jacinth]

Nah

The longer cooldown cancels out any extra dps you might get from having more shots, and it's more downtime where your turrets can't defend themselves

[finite abyss]

Is Bandit unlock bugged on Eclipse?

[lavish jacinth]

Not sure but I don't think it would be

You do have to do it without dying though, so the unlock fails if you revive

[lavish jacinth]

Also good pfp, I used to have that same image as mine lmao

[austere bay]

Does spare drone parts reduce visions CD?

[mellow crystal]

why would it

[lavish jacinth]

It does if it's on an engineer turret

[austere bay]

Because the description of spare drone parts says it reduces CD's, hence the question. Don't answer a question with a question

👍

[finite abyss]

Then it may be bugged because I won without dying, also thanks.

[nocturne sierra]

Would a lighting aspect be better than a pillar skip on eclipse

[daring cloak]

Not really but would you rather take a pillar skip, or the 1/4000 drop

[nocturne sierra]

I got it on stage 1 btw

[daring cloak]

Taking the aspect would make the run that much more unique and its not something you come across often

[nocturne sierra]

Ok

[marble osprey]

You also don't need a pillar skip for another 4 stages so you can always find one later if you decide to change your mind

[quasi crystal]

Who are you playing as

[nocturne sierra]

I was playing as mercenary

[quasi crystal]

Well late to answer but Merc certainly does not need a pillar skip equipment lol

[nocturne sierra]

The game crashed on stage two, and you wernt that late, but I’ll take that as a note

[mellow crystal]

yeah merc mobility is great for pillar skipping
and if you have uppercut + 1 stack of purity it's free

whirlwind lets you trimp too

[quasi crystal]

You can do it with no items

But yeah cdr and movement speed make it free since every skill but m1 air stalls at worst

[eternal storm]

Is it worth waiting for a red to show up in adaptive chests

I can usually react fast enough to see the rarity of the item but not exactly what the item is

[trim narwhal]

uppercut alone itemless gets enough stall time, no matter rest of loadout, you can just fly

i think whirlwind blinding sw itemless cant fly itemless, but they can probably climb up pillar or do some trimping idk

[quasi crystal]

I think the whirlwind strat is trimping then air stalls while you wait for blinding

[sacred halo]

how do you open the locked crate that says 9:59 on it?

[quasi crystal]

Get to the crate before 10 minutes

[sacred halo]

thank you

[limber eagle]

Does Unstable Transmitter/barrier accumulation prevent Genesis Loop from activating? I can't say with 100% certainty, but Genesis Loop doesn't seem to activate while Unstable Transmitter is off cooldown

I'm guessing Genesis Loop is coded similarly to Power Elixir and Delicate Watch

[sand plume]

hey fax? how do you get artifacts of devotion and delusion?

[south scaffold]

One more Loader related question.
Do people prefer using the normal grappling hook, or the Spiked variant?
My thought is that the normal variant makes it so I could get up in the air to a group of flying enemies rather than just dragging down one at a time. Plus the spiked grapple I was thinking could potentially make it so you wouldn’t be able to use .
Thoughts?

[lavish jacinth]

same as the others, gotta find the codes (they are actually in the game now) https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifact_Hints

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, transmitter completely gates damage below 25% and has priority over the other low health items, so they won't activate

[ocean monolith]

Is CHEF able to Phase 4 skip? Or did some other item do it, cause I have no clue how I did it

[limber eagle]

That sucks, Transmitter has the potential to work really well with Genesis Loop and would be a significant buff to GL

Instead it creates an anti-synergy

I know UT is kinda too good in its current state, but GL could use the help

and it would make sense, as Stealth Kit works with Transmitter

[lavish jacinth]

are you sure? because stealthkit is below elixir in priority, so it should also not work with transmitter

[lavish jacinth]

it's possible as anyone if you get really lucky, you just need to hit him on the one frame where he's vulnerable

[ocean monolith]

Gotcha, cause I have Boomerang and I killed him with Yes Chef --> Dice, so I thought one of those 2 things did the trick

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, if you're spamming that many projectiles at him with the right timing, you probably have decent odds of hitting it

(although it's not impossible that chef's knives check for targets on every frame like kjaro's does, you never know with sots jank)

[ocean monolith]

Good to know that Yes Chef --> Dice is my potential win con if I don't have Kjaro's

[quasi crystal]

What other attacks check for a target every frame

[lavish jacinth]

kjaro's is the only one I know of, usually lingering hitboxes just check for targets at set intervals

[mellow crystal]

it depends per-person tbh but i personally prefer default grapple since it allows you to do this

spiked is still good but i'd say it complements thunder punch more than charged punch since with charged punch you usually wanna use your grapple for getting as much speed as possible

and that isn't rlly a possibility when grappling the smaller enemies pull them towards you instead of you towards them

[south scaffold]

Yeah that’s exactly why I thought folks were gonna say default grapple.

It’s just too good for swinging around of the fellas for momentum.

[peak jacinth]

spiked gauntlet can also make enemies out of range of crowbar hits which is pretty important to loader gameplay

[south scaffold]

Yeah that’s what I thought.

I’m glad I can bounce some ideas and thoughts off of you guys!

[trim narwhal]

is it just me or have u guys been getting a ton of reds. or is this just salestar + chancedoll inflation

[south scaffold]

I feel like I’ve always had “above average” luck.

[quasi crystal]

Inflation

[nocturne sierra]

Definitely chance doll inflation

[marble osprey]

Doesn't boomerang do that? Thought that was the reason for it applying absurd amounts of bleed with the sawmerang glitch

[forest lantern]

hello there i wanted to know about a void portal and how to reach him

the frst time i saw it i was trying to catch the secondary hability from loader

but i dont know how to get the portal again

i tried sometimes but i didn't get it

[daring cloak]

The void portal randomly appears at a teleporter after the first loop

[pine inlet]

on the first run I try umbral? you shouldn't have game!

[steady stone]

(this is game questions btw)

[pine inlet]

wdym?

ah yeah lmao

[lavish jacinth]

nah, it just has a really high tickrate

and checking for targets isn't the same as actually dealing damage

like, kjaros hitbox looks for a target every frame, but once it finds one it starts dealing damage on set intervals like other lingering hitboxes do

[balmy fractal]

Is the game dead?

Has Gearbox given up on it?

[daring cloak]

No what

Where the hell did you hear that?

[balmy fractal]

December 11th

[daring cloak]

Yeah exactly they said in that video that phases 2 and 3 will take longer than phase 1

[balmy fractal]

It better be good if it's taking them that long

Phase 1 was mediocre

[lavish jacinth]

they reworked every item and made them actually good

[primal terrace]

A lil too good in certain cases

[marble osprey]

I'd rather they overcorrect a bit than undercorrect tho

[ionic igloo]

I think making fun concepts was a great first start and now they can tweak it

[torn gulch]

There is definitely something funny about people complaining that they're taking their time with properly polishing the updates that are intended to fix a dlc whose problems are largely agreed to have originated from it being rushed

[peak jacinth]

especially when the “delay” is like 2 months lmao

[torn gulch]

Yeah, like, a couple months between major content updates isn't even uncommon for a live service game, which RoR2 is not

That's like the intervals between the battle pass seasons of some games lol

[peak jacinth]

hell it’s shorter than the seasons in live service games. Not to mention this update is to overhauling an entire final boss

[lavish jacinth]

frankly I think we should be grateful that they're putting this much time and effort into a nearly 5-year-old game, even if they stumbled a lot initially. They could've easily left the console ports as broken pieces of shit and pumped out a bunch of $5 cosmetic packs for easy money

I'm still blaming take two and the higher ups at gbx for the dlc being rushed, the actual developers seem to genuinely care about quality

[peak jacinth]

entirely agree with everything said,
and I’ll add we should also be grateful that they’re doing an entire DLC overhaul when they really could’ve just moved on and left it underwhelming!

[iron dust]

when choosing which artifacts to turn on and off, what is the difference between greying out an artifact and red x'ing out an artifact

[mellow crystal]

red x is voting against it for multiplayer

In singleplayer they're basically the same

[iron dust]

thank you

also, is there any way to save a run and come back to it later?

[marble osprey]

Not in vanilla, although there is a popular mod called propersave that does that

[iron dust]

thanks!!

[marble osprey]

Np

[minor wolf]

whats phase two gonna be again

[mellow crystal]

False son boss

[minor wolf]

their reworking it? neat

[analog brook]

And enemy tweaks to make them more polished!

Bitch ass scorching worms....

[cunning jay]

whats the most fun way to play this game

[quasi crystal]

huntress

[ocean knoll]

Guys wth is this, I call him the booper but nobody has been able to find it again

[daring cloak]

Are you playing modded?

[ocean knoll]

No

Unmodded E1 Commando without sotv enabled

[daring cloak]

I have never seen that thing or anything like it

[ocean knoll]

I'm gonna lose my mind bro

[daring cloak]

It does look a little like 2 loader pylons welded together

[ocean knoll]

I don't see it

[daring cloak]

Emphasis on little

[ocean knoll]

It just looks like a funny little guy 😭

[daring cloak]

Thats the closest connection I can draw to anything else in the game

[ocean knoll]

I'm tempted to believe that it's a Gearbox thing because it doesn't have collision

But it isn't interactable or anything

[daring cloak]

Bro found ror2 robomando

But yeah that is very weird

maybe its an event trigger for awu that isnt hidden anymore but thats still only a baseless assumption

[ocean knoll]

Idk why that would have a physical model

[daring cloak]

Well there is a similar thing on commencement where there is a weird rock object thats not found anywhere else in the game, located inside the pillar the mithrix arena sits on which is also speculated to be an event trigger for the mithrix fight

[ocean knoll]

If it was a bug where the event trigger was accidentally visible you would think that it would've been replicated already but malachite lem hasn't had any luck

[daring cloak]

Actually this looks almost identical to the tc 280 head

[quasi crystal]

maybe it is destroyed tc lol

[daring cloak]

Actually no I think that straight up IS the tc 280 head

[ocean knoll]

😨

[daring cloak]

Did you have a tc when you went into sirens?

[ocean knoll]

Yeah

[daring cloak]

Then I'd assume when it died, its head just... did this and never despawned

[ocean knoll]

Best answer we have ig

[daring cloak]

Prolly got stuck between those 2 walls and never touched the ground

The placement is fucking devious though it looks so intentionally placed 😭

[ocean knoll]

I honestly don't want you to be right but you probably are

[fathom rock]

Just came to this server to ask a question. Does the Forgive Me Please work for engineer's turrets?

[daring cloak]

Turrets cant use equipments

[fathom rock]

Let me resay that question to make sure. Does the Fogive Me Please work with Chronic Expansion the turret can have?

[daring cloak]

No because if you use fmp the "kills" get counted to you and not your turrets

[fathom rock]

Ah okay, thank you for answering

[ocean knoll]

Even with that explanation this ss belongs on the iceberg

[daring cloak]

The rng to get that head in there is crazy though

[ocean knoll]

No other pieces in frame either

[daring cloak]

Most likely despawned

Idk how the head wouldn't despawn other than maybe not touching the ground but it seems like thats what happened

[jolly dune]

hi im sort of new at this game but I unlocked one of huntress's abilities as well as the artifact of command and they keep dissapearing after I reunlock them at first I thought I needed to unlcok them indivisually for singleplayer and multiplayer but even after doing that they just keep disappearing once I reopen my game does anyone know why this happens? are they single use case

[wide parrot]

That is a bug. Once you unlock something it should be permanent

[jolly dune]

It happens repeatedly it seems, should I just reinstall for precaution before unlocking them again?

[analog brook]

Might be related to console cloud saving, had the issue with dead cells ages ago

[daring cloak]

Are you on xbox?

[jolly dune]

It could, I keep getting asked about wether I want to save my data to cloud or to my pc when I open the game on epic games. @daring cloak I am on pc

[daring cloak]

Oh what the hell thats unexpected

[analog brook]

Uhhhhh yikes idk anything about pc sorry

[jolly dune]

np thanks for trying!

[trim narwhal]

does increasing drone attack speed make captain passive microbots on them attack faster

[daring cloak]

I believe so

[trim narwhal]

drone parts, gorags, etc ?

and its only what captain buys right, allies that buy drones in mp dont get bots ?

[daring cloak]

Ye the drones have to be captain's property

Including strike drones from an equipment drone that captain owns

[hollow minnow]

I'm the only one who sees that the loader is a tomboy ? just in her description you can see that she brags about her strength and that she looks so big without her exoskeleton I think that developing it he did it he cooked very very well ❤️‍🩹

[livid wedge]

Yes

is a great item on captain for this reason in addition to it being a normally good item

[lavish jacinth]

Common epic games L
#ror2-tech-support might have some ideas, reinstalling couldn't hurt (or verifying files if EGS lets you do that)

the better solution would be to refund the game and buy it on steam, if you still can

[jolly dune]

Issue is, this is happening to my friend who has the game on steam too so it might be something out of our control I will verify files and reinstall tho thanks!

[light shadow]

I'm noob, and need help with an artificer item (default m1, alt m2, default utility, default special) because I feel like I do no damage 4th stage forward. I can one shot minibosses because of bands but other than band's damage I have nothing. I'm trying to beat the game in moonsoon (with command artifact, I dont have fun with the rng) and have every item non-dlc unlocked (and the one to chase crabs)

[lavish jacinth]

Okay, thats really weird. Consoles have a bug where unlocks are lost but that shouldn't be a thing on pc afaik

[daring cloak]

Only seems to be xbox and maybe rarely ps

[lavish jacinth]

Get different damage items besides just bands. Items tend to build on each other, so it's best to get a mix of things instead of focusing on just one or two items

Also loot stages thoroughly and don't rush, get as many items as you can

[tacit sand]

what are the best lunar items for engi

[lavish jacinth]

Actually, does this only happen when you play together in multiplayer? Because if so then it's probably a crossplay issue.

I should've thought of that first, steam/epic crossplay is incredibly buggy and probably causes like half the bugs that exist on pc

[jolly dune]

Im not sure for my steam friend but for me it happened on singleplayer as well as multiplayer

[lavish jacinth]

is pretty good, stay away from , otherwise most are about as good as usual

[lavish jacinth]

It might still be crossplay related even in singleplayer, it's just that broken.
Unfortunately there's no way to turn it off if you're on epic, all crossplay really does is make the game connect through epic's netcode instead of steam, so it's on by default on egs.

That's just a guess though, I'm not familiar with the egs version

[jolly dune]

Ah well, is what it is Im sadly ineligible for a refund right now so will just deal with it for now atleast all my other stuff stay, thanks for helping me out!

[light shadow]

I do I have gasolin, will o the wisp, backup magazine as offensive items, what I'm saying its that out of all of this the 2/3 bands are the only thing doing damage the rest feels pretty much weak

[lavish jacinth]

Throw in some multipliers or other items that deal total damage, like or

Gas and willo are good for crowd control but don't help much for direct damage unless you're using

[light shadow]

okay, thanks!!

[trim narwhal]

this true for psg ?

i thought psg scaled with everything

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah

It scales with whatever your health would be without transcendence

[trim narwhal]

is this true of all hp% items like tonic stone flux pearls, or

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, transc is the only thing it doesn't scale with iirc

[trim narwhal]

hmmm ok found healthpage in wiki, this seems comprehensive

psg,overloading,shrimp additive

then multiplied by tonic nectar e8curse

[full apex]

Transcendence hard sets your max hp to 1, so anything that wants to use or modify your max hp, like pearls or infusion, has to happen before that. Psg references your max hp, so it needs to get set before your health changes.

The only exceptions are things that come at the bottom of the stats calc, like tonic. Tonic is handled all in one place instead of the relevant stats happening in those stats' section, so it's at the end. Meaning it multiplies your shield and hp separately

Since trance basically nukes your normal green health stat when it gets set to 1, things can only reference the 1, or the combined shield health which will be modified by however many trance stacks you have

Also means tonic gives you like 1.5 green health or smth technically

[peak jacinth]

so even though infusion gains a flat amount of health per kill it still wouldn’t increase your health and just turn it into shield after?

[light shadow]

yeah just finished the run and crit is just broken on everything right? did the stuff i was doing but added crit and boom, i'm god. mythrix even skipped 3rd phase

[lavish jacinth]

Yep, the secret to broken damage in ror2 is mixing different multipliers so that they multiply each other

[full apex]

Yea. It would be added to max hp first

So 100 would go 200, then trance 1.5 to 300 and hp set to 1. So trance is technically 1.5x +1

It means you don't miss any value, all health up is properly boosted by trance

Tonic technically doesn't miss any either because it multiplies max hp and max shield

[lavish jacinth]

Just wait until you learn about proc chains lol

[peak jacinth]

ohhhh I misunderstood what you said b4

[lofty pawn]

Can someone explain how devotion artifact items stack? I know that shipping request forms go absolutely crazy with it but does every item stack percentages like that or is it just the way that request form works? Like if i give an egg a sonorous whispers, does every other lumerian that has it grant the stack benefit of +1% chance to get an item?

[lavish jacinth]

The way it works is sorta like this: When a lem is spawned, the item its given is added to a hidden global inventory. When they level up, they add another stack of that item to the inventory.
Meanwhile every OTHER lem gets a copy of that inventory, similar to how engineer turrets work (although unlike turrets, lems update their inventory any time an item is added or removed, instead of only updating when they spawn). Also for the record I don't know for certain if that's how it's programmed under the hood, but that's functionally how it works.

The reason shipping request form acts the way it does is because the item chances are based on the total number of forms that exist across all inventories at the start of the stage, and since each lem has its own separate copy of it, the game sees it as there being a huge amount of total form stacks so you get insanely high odds.

[lofty pawn]

Ohh alright thank you so much

[lavish jacinth]

that would also apply to any other items that have 'global stacking' like lepton daisy, although most of those items are blacklisted on lems, and very few items work that way.
Like for sonorous whispers, if you had 20 lems with one stack of sonorous, each lem would individually only have a 1% chance for an item.

[marble osprey]

War bonds probably goes ridiculously hard as well then actually

[lavish jacinth]

Oh god, how have I never thought of that

[quasi crystal]

if i put Shipping Request Form as rebirth gift will i get the requested terminal in first stage next run?

[wide parrot]

Theoretically

Works with key

[quasi crystal]

Thank you Merc

[limber eagle]

I tested it again, you're right

Stealth Kit doesn't work with Transmitter

[quasi crystal]

does soldier syringe apply to engineer turrets

[mellow crystal]

Every item does
They inherit your items

Well except stuff that has global stacking like lepton daisy I think

[quasi crystal]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:TurretBlacklist_Items

there's a few items they cant use regardless though

gesture of the drowned, fuel cells, every equipment excluding and elite aspects,

[quasi crystal]

idk i had like 9 soldier syringes and they didnt seem to shoot that much faster

[marble osprey]

They don't passively gain the items when you pick them up, they just have whatever items you had when you placed them
Idk if that's the issue or not but it could cause the confusion?

[lavish jacinth]

were you using mobile turrets? they also benefit from attack speed but it's a lot less noticeable

differences in attack speed can also be sorta hard to notice in general once you get to higher amounts

(and sometimes syringes won't have any effect at all due to rounding jank)

[quasi crystal]

i was using stationary

[quasi crystal]

no, i printed syringes, went to the next stage, placed them down, and they barely seemed any faster if at all

[lavish jacinth]

well, syringes definitely work on them, dunno what else to tell you

[quasi crystal]

maybe they just dont work as well as i expected

[full apex]

9 syrings vs 0 should be pretty noticeable

[quasi crystal]

yea no i do NOT remember them shooting that fast, maybe i just wasnt paying enough attention

iirc i didnt have anything nerfing my attack speed, i guess i’ll just have to go for another engi run and see what happens

[hoary sedge]

the only item that reduces attack speed is light flux so yeah probably not

[full apex]

also afflictions

[hoary sedge]

oh right. but yeah still

[full apex]

afflictions are easy to forgor with turrets since the player can have tonic up canceling their downside, but also its usually pretty important to a build so it should be ez to see

[ionic igloo]

don't they become elites

If an aspect has an ability requires a button press then they can't use that, which I think is just Gilded in vanilla

[steady stone]

it seems more like a blacklist to me, since woodsprite is also passive

[ionic igloo]

TIL they don't get the passive of woodsprite. Weird

[cobalt obsidian]

wtf is proc coeficient

[steady stone]

multiplier essentially, so a proc of 3 means 3x the chance
1 tritip would be 10% base chance, times 3 coeff is 30%

a 1 coeff is the base

[full apex]

its tied to the body equipmentslot, which turrets dont have. so equipment effects in there, like woodsprite, dont work. but aspects and fuel array either give buffs, are checked elsewhere, or both, so those are fine

the majority of equipment effects are in there so they cant use basically everything, even if its just a passive effect like on woodsprite. i dont rember how seed of life is handled though, i havent looked for it in the code so idk where it falls on that scale

[cedar pine]

is there a way to see whos my most used survivor?

[mellow crystal]

It should be in profile stats

[cedar pine]

ty

[quasi crystal]

on stage 1 and ive spent 8 minutes here cuz i cant find the goddamn teleporter

[light shadow]

i'm not getting the 4th mul-t primary and i did two times already and this last time i killed more than one because it was on stage 18 o smth and 5 spawned and disappeared

[lavish jacinth]

look for a cloud of orange particles in the air and follow them
there's a setting to make them easier to see, on the first page under the umbrella settings thing

[lavish jacinth]

the imp overlord one?

[light shadow]

yep

[quasi crystal]

yea no i give up i literally cant find it im just gonna start a new run

[mellow crystal]

There's a setting that makes the particles around it more visible btw

[lavish jacinth]

I mean sure, but for future reference that'll help lol

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that unlock is notoriously finicky

you have to make absolutely sure that the preon gets the kill and that it doesn't get stolen by another proc or something

[light shadow]

I didnt attacked them I had no passive that attacked on its own, i was really careful this last time

I will just try again ig

[lavish jacinth]

there's also a bug where it may not work if they die to the preon's tendrils, the most consistent way to do it is to fire point blank so that they only get hit by the main projectile

[light shadow]

oh okay okay

[lavish jacinth]

and avoid any proc items that could steal the kill, just go for direct multipliers like etc

[quasi crystal]

latnern on engi yay or nay

[marble osprey]

Not bad, his turrets like attack speed and you can guarantee they have some stacks of the buff by placing them close enough to each other, and enemies will also often end up inside that range especially with mobile turrets

[light shadow]

yep it was definetly that, thank you

[quasi crystal]

how does roll of pennies work with turrets do i just get free money

no

[mellow crystal]

Pretty sure it just gives the turrets free money
Which doesn't do anything

[quasi crystal]

BULLSHIT

either way thanks for the answer

[quasi crystal]

that's so sad

engi is already like one of the strongest survivors in the game so i cant be that mad

i wish the turres could contribute to the halycon shrine

[mellow crystal]

I wish the halcyon shrine wasn't slow as hell

[quasi crystal]

true cuz it gives banger loot

[quasi crystal]

I used to skip it because it was so boring

[steady stone]

well it kind of can? the gildeds can take money for you to pick up

[mellow crystal]

True
The only way I've managed to make it interesting is with swarms since the stone golem spam early on can actually be kinda fun

[steady stone]

even money that seems to not actually exist

[lavish jacinth]

I just save it for later in the stage once enemies actually start dropping decent amounts of gold

[steady stone]

i have a video somewhere

[steady stone]

im not sure exactly how ally wallets work though. the turret shouldnt have had that much money i dont think, it just kinda kept printing?

[mellow crystal]

Yeah that's because iirc they're coded to always drop 5-8 nuggets on hit even if the target doesn't actually have any money

[astral jasper]

I’m a relatively new play, so no MAJOR spoilers please, but what is the thing I see everyone using that allows them to choose the items that they get?

[lavish jacinth]

it's called Artifact of Command, artifacts are unlockable game modifiers

[astral jasper]

Cool! Thanks!

[wind kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855265415269056543/1344888815893872761/weird_death.mp4?ex=67c28cd0&is=67c13b50&hm=eabdf7ea211e1c571d5b9f52e3fd9c71d82e3cba4c596f08442e4e9e4d714a9b&

i need someone explain to me what just happened

[quasi crystal]

should i take any of these or nah

[wind kernel]

@lavish jacinth help i need your knowledge

[steady stone]

oh, that's... lava damage it looks like? you touched it for a second there but i dont know why it would stay

you didnt have any debuffs so that rules out fire and such

this couldnt be old twisted unless you're downpatched

even then, that's too much dmg for twisteds unless you have huge aoe

[wind kernel]

Ok

Um new bug apparently

[steady stone]

it looks like kinda like what wecho does but you dont have wecho

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that was really weird... it looked like it started when you touched the lava so that was probably it, but I don't know what made it keep damaging you afterwards

[steady stone]

wild 😭

[wind kernel]

okay

thunderslamming to lava while grappling, makes you take lava damage indefinitely

[steady stone]

what if you cancel the grapple?

also i would probably file a report on that
kinda obscure but at the same time... not really

[lavish jacinth]

is pretty bad on engie, would be risky, the rest are just kinda whatever. Not really a synergy with him but probably wouldn't ruin the run either
(idk if you know what they do or not lol)

[wind kernel]

ok so basically it takes you last updated grounded location? so the lava damage would still be there until you hit the ground

canceling the grapple can work but it would stop once you reach the ground

[lavish jacinth]

huh

[steady stone]

wonder if there's anything else with this
maybe a jump pad

[lavish jacinth]

or the ice on siphoned forest

although that would be really hard to tell if it's doing anything

[lavish jacinth]

when you say hit the ground, do you mean actually walking on it, or does just sliding on the ground while grappling also work?

[wind kernel]

it doesnt work

like being grounded as in walking

[lavish jacinth]

mmmmkay

[wind kernel]

or you need to thunderslam again

cause it still thinks you being in lava somehow

the game still thinks your last updated grounded location is the lava? hence the lava damage

i dont know how lava mechanics work

[lavish jacinth]

me either

[wind kernel]

a bit pissed how i lost the game with 11 watches to this niche bug

[iron dust]

can anyone give me any tips for moving pots? I can't seem to flip them over by sprinting off of them. It doesnt budge

[lavish jacinth]

pot rolling is pretty much broken atm, with the physics changes

[iron dust]

I see. I was starting to think that but wasnt sure

[wind kernel]

https://thunderstore.io/package/Thrayonlosa/KCCDownpatcher/

if you want the old pot rolling physics

rn pot rolling is inconsistent

[iron dust]

Okay. Thank you both. I'm a bit new and I was looking at tutorial vids on it and trying them in game but couldnt and was wondering why i couldnt kickflip or pot roll 😭

[wind kernel]

if you wanna get the bands on singleplayer without having to play engi, get effigy of grief

[steady stone]

or beacons, items, lunar coins

[lavish jacinth]

loader's pylon also works

[iron dust]

would forgive me please work as well?

[iron dust]

is there any way I can drop lunar coins??? lol

[steady stone]

no, but FMP can drop them sometimes

[quasi crystal]

Forgive me please can drop a lunar

[steady stone]

as a last resort you can farm fmp on a plate

[lavish jacinth]

you gotta be desperate to do that though

[iron dust]

I was more asking if it would press the button down for the bands

[lavish jacinth]

or at least very, very lucky and get a coin drop right away

[quasi crystal]

No

I wonder if a broken drone weighs the plate down

[lavish jacinth]

technically you can also use primordial cube to hold an enemy on the button, but you'd have to get to the other one before it expires

[steady stone]

might be viable with scorch worm? if you go in the air they just stop pathfinding dont they?

[iron dust]

damn. no bands for me this run 😔

[quasi crystal]

You can use the cube for pots

[iron dust]

it doesnt break them?

[quasi crystal]

Nope

[iron dust]

interesting. noted

[quasi crystal]

Hey can someone test unmodded if railgunners alt mines push pots, they were pushing them when I had them last time and that can't he right

[lavish jacinth]

I can in a bit

[quasi crystal]

That was my first and last time ever using them so I got nothing

[quasi crystal]

i went shaped glass got 10 lensmakers temporarily became god and then got one shotted by a construct

[lavish jacinth]

that's the glass experience

[wind kernel]

Nope cause they count as interactibles

Same thing why vending machine doesnt work

[lavish jacinth]

I think objects just need to have a certain type of collider to push buttons

but yeah, interactables don't usually have it

[wind kernel]

I wish effigy can make you place turrets on top of it

Wouldve been a cool synergy with engi

[quasi crystal]

yeah crippling your turrets sounds synergestic LOL

[wind kernel]

I mean cripple is less speed less armor

Doesnt do anything with attack speed right

[quasi crystal]

oh mb i thought it was a reskin of weaken

[lavish jacinth]

you can pillar skip with effigy if you enjoy suffering

[mellow crystal]

What

Do you just slowly stack them on top of each other

[wind kernel]

You can have effigy on top of another effify

[wind kernel]

Hard to aim

[steady stone]

max use of 5 iirc tho right? does it override the last one?

[lavish jacinth]

yep, just build a bridge

[steady stone]

i always thought it just wouldnt work after 5, i really should use that item more 😭

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the oldest one gets removed

It's an incredibly forgettable item

[quasi crystal]

does bolstering stack if you have multiple or no

[mellow crystal]

Yes but it increases the max stacks and the range, doesn't increase the boost per stack

[quasi crystal]

fair enough 3 is enough for me then

i cant believe the mines push pots

[lavish jacinth]

weird

[wind kernel]

Its my go to

[quasi crystal]

effigy is pretty cool and not that broken for a lunar

like one of the only non extreme lunars

[steady stone]

i think he was asking if they actually held down plates themselves earlier, not rolled pots

[quasi crystal]

oh no I asked if cryo mines push pots

then just tested it myself lol

[steady stone]

mm, alr

although, why wouldnt they
default mines do too right

[quasi crystal]

the cryo mines have no knockback

[wind kernel]

How does cryomines work

[quasi crystal]

No idea this was unmodded

[steady stone]

(ill just file it so it doesnt go forgotten)

[wind kernel]

thanksies

[quasi crystal]

Post a picture

[steady stone]

you should be able to go/clip out? if not try to get to a teleport zone, like the map ceiling/floor

#roles

any role allows embeds (except for in #ror2-discussion)

[wind kernel]

voidling log....

thats painful

[slim spoke]

technically its not banned and only "limited" to images

[daring cloak]

wow that must be horribly weak knockback. The pots currently are bugged to get knocked back like 20 times stronger than they should, making something like rg's default mines launch them so quickly and far that it appears the pots just get instantly deleted. This is like worse knockback than the headbutt of a beetle

[quasi crystal]

Idk the code of ror2 so can't comment but this doesn't even take you out of bungus so IDK

[tough zealot]

Is Seekers of the Storm worth getting now? I want to get back into the game and complete eclipse 8 for the characters I never got around to, not sure if I want to do it now or wait

Also, any QoL/UI mod recommendations?

I remember I used to use one that gave better item descriptions I think but I forget what it was called

[vast rampart]

go for it

[tough zealot]

Sweet

[lavish jacinth]

LookingGlass is probably what you want, although there's an option in vanilla now called "inspect item" that lets you see better descriptions (not as detailed as lookingglass though iirc)

[lavish jacinth]

it's not just weak, it looks like it might even be negative... in that clip the pots get sucked inward and then bounce off of each other

no idea why it would even do that to begin with though, or why it wouldn't just be 0

unless pots are considered a destructible projectile and are having some weird interaction with the slowing effect???

[quasi crystal]

I'm not down patching again to test if this a sots thing but if anyone did down patch and want to test pls

[tough zealot]

Who is visions of heresy good on?

[gilded dirge]

Shiv or needle for Acrid?

[lavish jacinth]

needletick
it's good if you get lots of low-damage aoe procs that you don't immediately follow up on, which is pretty much acrid in a nutshell

[gilded dirge]

I assume slowing is better than binding too for Acrid

to use the green skull (forgot its name)

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

Engie is the best use case for it, it's less awkward than his own primary and is a dps upgrade for both turrets (although the delayed damage can sometimes leave them vulnerable).
Huntress and I think Railgunner are the only other survivors where it's a straight damage upgrade, but they both have reasons to keep their normal primaries. For everyone else it's usually a downgrade and only worth taking if you're not using your primary much at all

technically it's good on heretic but I don't think that counts lmao

tl;dr good on engie, situational on everyone else

[wind kernel]

just realized that noxious thorn bleed adds up to tri tip bleed

doesnt roll differently

[quasi crystal]

That's good to know

[quasi crystal]

Unless you're using the other passive

[tough zealot]

thank you!

[daring cloak]

Yeah I didnt have the time to add that its more of a reverse knockback effect
As for why it exists I'd assume its supposed to keep smaller enemies like lemurians in the field for a bit longer by pulling them back in and killing their momentum

[quasi crystal]

are the moving engi turrets any good

[split arch]

what are the advantages of looping vs just going straight for a boss?

[daring cloak]

Doing achievements, getting more items and going for other endings

Theres no direct advantage to looping if your end goal is to just kill mithrix and win the run

[trim narwhal]

ehhh not really. they dont dodge or sprint often, their range is really bad (they might just not hit a flying boss), they have slightly less raw dps than normal turrets, they have a 0.6 proc coefficient so they scale worse with many proc items, cant use bungus or abuse wall cheeses,

their sole advantage is like, well they attack faster so if u have enough tritip theyll do better. they also apply a slow so easier death mark. and while they dont really dodge on purpose, they don't get shat on as hard by like mushroom or lunar orb acid circles

i guess they can also pick up monster tooths for themselves more often too? idk

[quasi crystal]

so they’re basically just shittier drones got it

[daring cloak]

Theyre not that much worse but yeah they lose some of the advantages that stationary turrets have

[quasi crystal]

no bungus = bad

[olive hinge]

When phase 2 expected to roll out?

[lavish jacinth]

They haven't given us a release date

[trim narwhal]

yo what

i thought ice spear was supposed to pierce

?????? i swear it did ?

wtf its piercing now

[daring cloak]

It is supposed to pierce it always pierced

[jovial whale]

You will generally encounter one of the following 3 scenarios:

1. Your Build Is Strong, You have sufficient damage, healing, and damage reduction. In this case, looping is unnecessary, as you can defeat Mithrix with your current setup.

2. Your Build Is Decent. Looping is riskier in this situation. It's best to proceed directly to Mithrix, but take the fight slowly and cautiously.

3. Your Build Is Weak. If you choose to loop in this situation, there’s a high chance you won’t survive anyway. So your best option is to face Mithrix immediately and pray you can win with what you have.

[lavish jacinth]

This is basically saying

1. Don't loop
2. Don't loop
3. Don't loop

[daring cloak]

It is kinda true tbh looping is about as dangerous as going straight to mithrix in bad runs though your personal skill may influence how you can handle each situation

[lavish jacinth]

I'd also say it depends heavily on how confident you are with the mithrix fight in general, if you know what you're doing you can always beat him

But if you're not confident (either in the fight itself or the strength of your build) then it may be better to loop and hope for something better, since it's really the only way to improve your build at that point, outside of getting very lucky with soups and lunar pods on commencement

[jovial whale]

Exactly. Whether its due to putting yourself at a higher risk and danger by looping, or just the fact that it gets annoying and boring after a while, i dont like it. But im glad after sots update and the different map varinats, they actually gave players a valid reason to loop

[lavish jacinth]

But if you DO choose to loop then you should be ready for commencement itself to be hell

[jovial whale]

Couldnt say it better

It also depends on your preferred playstyle. If you enjoy building an utterly strong build, where you can eliminate everything effortlessly while being AFK then loop.

However, avoiding loops allows for more diverse builds, keeps you engaged and on your toes throughout the run, and adds an extra layer of challenge. That said, if looping is what makes the game more fun for you, then go for it

[trim narwhal]

i think also type of build matters

if your build has great aoe wisps ukes etc but u know fighting mithrix is gonna be unfun with poor single target, u could try for a loop, see if u can grab some items or a fmp or etc

personally i dont like looping, runs too long

but i still want to see alt stages and malachites and scavs and etc : (

[lavish jacinth]

Back in my day, looping was all we had (and obliterating)

Which is also an option, you don't have to fight mithrix

[jovial whale]

Yeah you can play the game just for the sake of looping. There are specefic contents in looped run. And Eventually your build gets so strong that you can one shot everything.

[trim narwhal]

i played from day 1 too but when mithrix dropped thats where most of my runs went to

[jovial whale]

I wish you could say the same for voidling

[trim narwhal]

i go to voidling a lot too xd

[jovial whale]

I personaly would NEVER.

[trim narwhal]

my last run in fact

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/691758342401687563/1345103475968835686/image.png?ex=67c354bb&is=67c2033b&hm=b9e68eb6a834b0d690ec1fa9c7709cf1ce9b6fcd342eeb803164c3220c6ff865&

long as i think my build is good enough, ill go

build requirements a lot less than you think with proper strats, though depends on eclipse level and character

[jovial whale]

The thing with voidling its that its so item dependant, that in 90 percent of non looped run, you wont get the essential build.

[trim narwhal]

nahh

[jovial whale]

Maybe i just didnt play it enough to learn the techs and strats

[trim narwhal]

also its like

items and stuff good for voidling arent thaaat strong elsewhere

it really depends on character tho

ion surge arti for instance is really good into voidling

you can hover under the arena or way high up and surge to dps or to dodge or surge then drop

[trim narwhal]

for instance, buying lots of drones is really good for voidling

[jovial whale]

I guess loader has the same situation

[trim narwhal]

its not gonna do much for mithrix, but so many homing shots will go at them

black hole will kill tho

if u can, it can be good to keep money items or even stall phase 2

so you can repair drones for phase 3

for a lot of characters phase 1 and 2 if u go properly u dont need much to dodge

but phase 3 forced to be close you need resources

[trim narwhal]

or for instance, sending stuff for psg or bucklers is pretty good even for chars that dont permasprint

stack some bucklers and your shield will regen even if u dont have enough speed for phase 3 homing

in some sense preparing for voidling is a little more interesting than the fight proper tho i do agree its not great design

[jovial whale]

I might get into voidling then after im done with e8 climb.
Those were really good tips. Thanks

[mellow crystal]

Unrelated but what does psg stand for again I forgot

[trim narwhal]

but eg for instance, stuff like elixirs dios etc is great for winning p3 dps check if u dont have the speed or tankiness. play sloppily before voidling and you cant use these

[daring cloak]

Personal shield generator

[trim narwhal]

the item requirement does scale up with eclipse tho

[mellow crystal]

Oh right
Every time I read it I just think "plasma shrimp grenade" 😭

[trim narwhal]

e5+ winning a dps war in phase 3 is harder when ur elixirs dont heal as much

gets worse on e8

other strats get more important

drones goboos etc

[jovial whale]

So surviving is more important than dealing damage? I mean duh but for voidling specifically

[trim narwhal]

well mostly depends on build and character

voidling is definitely way more character dependent

voidling as merc if you dont have cooldown reduction which is really rng or lunar reliant is so ass for instance

[jovial whale]

Uh ok. So no chef?

[trim narwhal]

mult nailguns do great on other stuff but double rebar lets you do p1 p2 very safely and save resources for p3

chef isnt great yeah

you can still do it but need like facetanking capability if you dont have like long range equipments or megaspeed or absurd damage

absurd damage is one of the least likely ways to win void right after mithrix at least in my experience

i think voidling from fields preloop is cooked though, nahh you dont have enough stages to really craft a build

at rngs mercy

[jovial whale]

Ant thats exactly how i thought it should be done

[trim narwhal]

well like

dont go if ur dmg is actually bad

like, voidling is 2x tankier than mithrix + time scaling, even if u can win bruh youll be there forever

but its rare to actually like kill them super fast etc

like i mostly go with good builds, but voidling is just tanky. maybe you can melt s4 s5 teleporters but mithrix can still take a couple pizza wheels and voidling is 2x that

[trim narwhal]

for reference this took about 2-3 minutes for phase 3?

never had a chance to headstomp, but its not a weak build by any means. atg soup, fuel cell printed, 2 bands, capacitor

but i had no watches no ap rounds etc

[jovial whale]

Yeah i get it. I was gonna do voidling eventually for the monster log. But im sure with your tips i can approach it with a different way.

Generally, should you be close to it or take it down with a safe distance?

[trim narwhal]

itll depend on the run and character

[jovial whale]

I know

[trim narwhal]

general consideration for me is if i have the choice

id prefer to stay far away for p1 and p2, because then my drones are saved for p3

but maybe ur character/build true long range is super ass or etc and it takes too long

you could look into keeping pennies or ghors to rebuy drones after p2 black hole, even stalling out and focusing on mobs, though time is still ticking so ?

or if youre on like psg / buckler facetank method, stone flux false son, etc, and u dont care for the drones, then do whats faster

[jovial whale]

Alright. Got it, thanks a lot

[lavish jacinth]

I don't really bother fixing drones in the voidling fight, unless I've got drone parts or I really need healing drones

They can't really draw its aggro the way they can with mithrix

[trim narwhal]

ehh idk about that, i always feel like a good drone swamr makes the homing shots miss a lot

especially if youre captain