ror2-game-questions

[wind kernel]

how does band works with

crowbar

[ruby roost]

Crowbar does what 40% extra dps right

[lavish jacinth]

crowbar's bonus doesn't carry over to bands unless the enemy is still over 90% after the initial hit

[ruby roost]

And the band procs with heavy attacks and does damage overtime with the initial first hit from the bands doing massive damage

Hm I thought they would stack with eachother

[lavish jacinth]

nope, otherwise you'd be able to double dip on the multiplier

[wind kernel]

oh so for like atg, if it hits something like full hp, the crowbar damage multiplier is still applied right

[lavish jacinth]

oh, and the bonus damage from multipliers doesn't contribute to whether or not you can proc bands. So like a 390% damage hit with a crowbar wouldn't be able to proc bands even though the final hit would go over 400%

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[wind kernel]

but like the initial atg damage, doesnt carry the damage multiplied by crowbar

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

so it can benefit, but no double dipping

...although you actually CAN double dip with breaching fin, but that's probably a bug

[wind kernel]

only applies to crowbar right, not every damage multiplier

[lavish jacinth]

nope, they all work like that

multipliers get applied at the very end of the damage calculation, after proc damage is determined and all that

[ruby roost]

Don't the bands do more damage with each stack

[wind kernel]

eh so like having for say delicate watch, total damage isnt multiplied by that 20%?

for like bands

[lavish jacinth]

in the case of watch it is, yeah

multipliers can apply to anything as long as it meets the items' condition

and watch's only condition is that it's not broken, so it applies to everything

[wind kernel]

so wouldnt that mean band/atg anything proc from total damage, isnt affected by damage multiplir?

wait what

total damage isnt affected but the damage they will deal will be affected?

is that what u mean?

when is where

[lavish jacinth]

the damage calculation works like this
Base damage -> Skill damage -> inherent multipliers (like falloff) -> Roll procs and determine their damage -> Apply damage multipliers if the condition is met

Because the multipliers get added after proc damage is rolled, the initial damage of the proc doesn't benefit. However, the proc itself also goes through the same calculation when it hits, which means it CAN get the multiplier, but only if the condition is still met when the proc deals its damage

[wind kernel]

oh so thats why crowbar doesnt work (in most cases?), beccause already see the condition under 90%

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[ruby roost]

Butt let's say your total damage output is weak enough to keep it above 90%

Then your band will destroy

Especially if you get lucky with the bands

[wind kernel]

how does it work with skills / damage that is based on target hp?

like warbonds and acrid

cuts off basedamage, and just go straight to skill damage? looking at the max hp?

[lavish jacinth]

yep, it just treats the max hp as skill damage

[ruby roost]

Interesting

[lavish jacinth]

although in poison's case it compares the %hp to 100% of acrid's base damage and then uses whichever amount is higher

[wind kernel]

noted

wait another one

how does ignite / ingition tank damage is calculated

cause i dont feel like it deals the intended 300% burn damage

i tried making sense of the wiki, ended up not understanding anything

[livid wedge]

It's plus 300% per stack

But burn is small, each tick is only 10% base damage

[tulip inlet]

It probably does, just not in the way you expect

[livid wedge]

With ignition bumping that to 40%, which still looks small but it makes a difference

[wind kernel]

how does like burn last calculated?

[livid wedge]

Burn is always dealt at a rate of 10% base per tick, 5 ticks per second

[livid wedge]

And things, besides gasoline which has a fixed ignite damage, ignites for 50% total damage of the attack that burns

So, say you have molten perforator. The firey meatballs deal 300% total of the triggering attack

[wind kernel]

wait have i been using the inferior site the whole time

thats why i cant understand anything

[lavish jacinth]

were you on the fandom wiki?

[wind kernel]

YES

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage yeah we moved to wiki.gg

[livid wedge]

So, if your triggering attack does 200% damage, the meatball will 300% of that, totalling 600% base damage. The ignite is half that, so it's dealing 300%

since each tick is 10%, you get 30 ticks. with 5 ticks per second, that burn lasts 6 seconds

[wind kernel]

..

why is chef proc coeff for m1 is 0.5

how is it worse than mult...

WHAT

[livid wedge]

Ignition tank gets involved by increasing each tick by 300% per tank. Damage increases but total burn time remains the same

Because chef got done dirty

[lavish jacinth]

they hated chef lol

[livid wedge]

and is why he's getting reworked

[wind kernel]

no like... where does the 0.5 called "balanced" come from

like who designed it

[lavish jacinth]

I guess they figured it needed less because it can hit the same enemy twice??

[livid wedge]

They did not really think it through or more likely, didn't have the time to fully test it oiut

[wind kernel]

that makes a bit of ... sens?

[lavish jacinth]

it almost makes sense until you think about how procs are balanced in ror2

[wind kernel]

same item cannot proc itself?

[livid wedge]

It does also pierce in addition to hitting twice

not that I'm saying makes up for it

But I could see this just being an early iteration of chef

[lavish jacinth]

most proc items deal a % of the hit that procced them, so in most cases the dps is just as important as the proc rate

low proc coeffs are usually meant to balance stuff that has both a high proc rate and high dps, like nailgun

[livid wedge]

Chef is definitely kind of doo doo garbage right now. I think they'll do fine with the survivor reworks with how well they cooked the item reworks

[lavish jacinth]

I wish they'd made the cleavers work like boomerang, where they get one strong hit per enemy and then rapidly deal small weak hits

that would also justify the low coeff and needing to manually recall cleavers, it might be neat if you could just leave a cleaver spinning in the air on top of a boss or something and deal constant damage to them

[wind kernel]

my cleaver 50% of the time doesnt even come close to the enemy because it comes back too fast or just dont ... fly??

and multiplayer lag

and 90% dont hit anything

👍

[lavish jacinth]

the sear rework is the most confusing to me

like, I get that some things need to change in the transition from 2D to 3D, that's why bandit got changed

but I can't think of a single reason for sear going from a quick burst of damage to a worse version of flamethrower

actually most of his skills didn't really have a good reason to change, they could've pretty much made him 1:1 with his ror1 version and it would've worked

[wind kernel]

at first

... the first day of the dlc

i thought chef is the better one of the new survivor

... god why i even think of that

[lavish jacinth]

he didn't seem terrible initially, I figured it was just a matter of getting used to him. But the more I played him the worse he got

[wind kernel]

.. its not just worse... its unplayable to some degree... for me...

cant hit anything far... m2 can only hti close enemy m1 too weird to use

atleast something like rex or flamethrower arti is hard but fun

[graceful surge]

How long is a typical run to beat the final boss?

[wind kernel]

60 minutes

[lavish jacinth]

if you're full clearing (which you should be) it's about an hour, yeah

[graceful surge]

And roughly how much playtime would it take get all the achievements?

[wind kernel]

Stage 1: Leave between 5-12 min
Stage 2: Leave between 12-18 min
Stage 3: Leave between 25-35 min
Stage 4: Leave between 35-50 min
Stage 5: Leave between 40-70 min
Stage 6: Leave/end the game between 55-90 min

? something like this usually with my runs

[lavish jacinth]

it varies a lot but probably like 30+ hours at least

[wind kernel]

which achievement?.. like steam or

full completion with the ror2 profile

[graceful surge]

Yuh

[wind kernel]

i did mine within a single week all achievement..

for the profile achievement... maybe a month for me (the logbooks and radar scanner is tedious aside from that u could do it within few weeks)

[lavish jacinth]

the 100% speedrun record is nearly 14 hours, just to give you an idea

[wind kernel]

1000 stages loop sounds fun

[graceful surge]

Ty yesterday I got to stage 6 in 30 and was wondering why I was getting basically one tapped

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's really fast

[wind kernel]

doable... just need to not run it down through the moon, take cover from perfected chimeras

[lavish jacinth]

time management is more about efficiency than just speed, you wanna do as much as you can on each stage, as quickly as you can

a good rule of thumb is to loot everything and try to leave with more items than minutes

[graceful surge]

Alr I’m about 20% done with achievements at like 13 hours play time rn

[wind kernel]

and use scrapper hehe

[graceful surge]

Thank yall 🙏🙏

[twin anvil]

Yo when i enter a celestial portal can i leave it without dying or no

[wide parrot]

You can

Interact with the obelisk once to make the portal appear

[twin anvil]

Ok thanks

[dire robin]

did gb make arty's hover a toggle or is it a mod im using

cause it might be the single most annoying thing ever

[livid wedge]

They added a toggle option

You can disable it in settings

[dire robin]

oh thank god

[crude hemlock]

im about to lose it, aqueducts is the 2nd stage right?

[analog brook]

Yup, the dessert one

[crude hemlock]

i have expacs off, i have gone as rex to get to stage 2 and ive run it 5 times and its always wetlands.

[analog brook]

You can "wish" for it in the bizarre between time, makes it so the stage you wish for will be the next stage

I think it's guranteed to be there as a seer if you're paying without expansions

[crude hemlock]

omg 6 times

plus the 3 yesterday

its liek the game knows im rushing the boss spawn

[crude hemlock]

even looped... wetlands again

[cunning jay]

when is it a good idea to loop? and when is it a bad idea?

[upper gale]

loop when your build is incomplete, if you're lacking speed or defense for example, or if you're just generally underpowered.

personally I never loop because it makes the game too easy but you should only loop when you're your build is incomplete or just straight up bad

[noble linden]

Is there anyway to know where the final 4 teleporters are

In the final stage

[wide parrot]

They have pillars of blue light coming out of them

[noble linden]

Oh thanks

[bitter snow]

when beating the false son it ends the game, it counts to getting the monsoon skins?

[rare flame]

i do believe so

[wide parrot]

Yes

[novel ravine]

is atg or plimp better for artificer? I know atg scales really well with her procs and since she's very cooldown based you wont be constantly procing plimps

[latent oyster]

I think atg is over all better on Artificer cuz your not gonna attack very fast without a bunch of extra attack speed, even with flamethrower the shrimp procs would be very weak.

[novel ravine]

yeah that's what I was thinking

thanks

[latent oyster]

np

[noble linden]

What do I do when I beat the final boss and it says moon detonation imminent

[signal pelican]

jump into one of the floating orbs, then backtrack to the ship near the start of the level

[noble linden]

Oh

I have 30 seconds

[signal pelican]

I don't think that's enough time

sad

[noble linden]

That’s not good

[signal pelican]

well now you know for next run ig

[noble linden]

I’ll still try

[cunning jay]

Is the multi-player in this game any good? Somethibg tells me its not that fun since you have to constantly worry about sharing your items with the other people and naturally there will be lots of disagreements around builds within the group

[signal pelican]

depends on how seriously your group takes it

normally my group just uses pings to call dibs on chests and we give out the guaranteed legendary to whoever has the fewest

with exceptions ofc, but generally it's not been the source of conflict really

[cunning jay]

What are some pros and cons of online compared to single-player

[signal pelican]

I mean, the game plays pretty similarly either way. The fun of multiplayer mostly just comes from hanging out with friends, so mileage may vary.

I think it's a great time though, we always come back to it

[noble linden]

I made it

Somehow

[signal pelican]

nice

[marble osprey]

You get more items total multiplayer, but less items per player, so each individual player won't be quite as strong, but that's mostly balanced out by there being multiple players
But multiplayer is much more forgiving, since if you die, you get revived as long as your teammates clear the stage, or if they can find a seed of life or similar
Its also just more fun to play with other people, and that's the main thing really
Personally I usually play with one other player. We usually take survivors that don't overlap too much, like taking one who focuses on big single hits with bands and stuff while the other does more on-hit or attack speed stuff, and as the run goes just kinda adapt, if one player feels weak, let them take more items and stuff like that
Playing with randoms online can definitely be frustrating tho bc there will often be people who do none of that, and just take any item they see even if it's not good for them and then end up just scrapping it later

[bitter snow]

Does hitting the pillars/shrines before the false son boss fight do something?

[quasi crystal]

Yes it drops an item

[wide parrot]

If you hit all of them you get a Aurealionite Shard when you reach the tree

They also give you barrier and cleanse you of all debuffs for each one you hit

[neon abyss]

When will eccentric vase multiplayer exit momentum bug be fixed?

[dim nymph]

I had a quick question. I loved playing RoR2 with my friend online through Steam but we used to keep having issues with one of us disconnecting while the other was hosting and not being able to rejoin. Has there been any progress made with being able to rejoin or lobby stability? Please and thank you

[lavish jacinth]

Do you guys have crossplay enabled by any chance?

[dim nymph]

It's been so long that I don't rightly remember but I think we tried with and without it

[lavish jacinth]

Ideally you want it turned off, crossplay is notorious for random disconnects

[dim nymph]

Will definitely try it, thanks

[lavish jacinth]

Whenever there's a patch for it

Did you make a #1172187541349347429 about it?

[crude hemlock]

ATG and by extension the shrimp is good for everyone right? like it seemed like it scaled the same when I used it on both shots of railgunner for example

I mean this as in Coop i walked over it as Railgunner with my mate as commando and then was like OHShi, then the silly m1 did 13 purp but on actual shots did liek 300 etc

[worldly olive]

They're good on everyone bar like, if you're doing a run with only arrow rain as your only skill you use

[crude hemlock]

Yeah ok

[worldly olive]

That being said plimp is technically better on things that have a lower proc co

Since it isn't affected at all by it

[crude hemlock]

I had read if you want to do the 1mil achiv you need to use atgs and such

but neither of us could work out hwy

[worldly olive]

Conversely its worse on skills with higher proc co but that only applies to 3 skills (and 2 slots) in the entire game

[crude hemlock]

So that is who? Commado is a highproc guy rigt

Still working this all out haha

[worldly olive]

High proc co means skills that have a higher chance of proccing than other skills
So its still good on a survivor like commando

Once again this only applies to false son slam and railgunners specials

[crude hemlock]

Ahhh i seeee

[lavish jacinth]

Because they do a % of the hit that procced them

You don't need it for the 1mil achievement though, it's just one way to build up damage

[crude hemlock]

Ah thats what I thought, it seemed like 10%? ish

[crude hemlock]

Yeah i think I had like idk 13 crowbars and watches and other bits and only got half way, I got bored after ahwhile and I had already shot the shopkeper so sacked it off

[quasi crystal]

You're not gonna believe what I was attempting today

[lavish jacinth]

It's 300%

[lavish jacinth]

Easiest way is stacking shaped glass since it's exponential, with crowbars and watches thrown in for good measure

or this

[quasi crystal]

Any loader tips for specifically e8? I am a living skill issue with not getting hurt with melee survivors and with e8 I can't just retreat and let slugs remedy that skill issue

[lavish jacinth]

iirc Jazzboat's advice was to always try to stay grappled to the highest point you can reach so that you can always bounce back up to safety after a punch, easier with thunderslam so that you have a way to get back down and build speed

[quasi crystal]

I probably should mention that I'm mostly talking about tp events, haven't tried e8 on her yet but I imagine that's where I'm most vulnerable

[analog brook]

Try to specifically look for windows and openings to gauntlet into. If you wanna use grapple offensively, make sure that the place behind the enemy is somewhere you can still move and dodge well. You can also consider grappling out instead of in as an escape plan, if situation calls for it

[lavish jacinth]

^ bear in mind that you never have to let go of a grapple even during a punch, so a grapple in can also become a grapple out

[analog brook]

Focus on killing the boss and staying safe purely before charging tp, leaving the tp zone has realisticly no reprocussions whatsoever

Pylon is also nice CC early game

[lavish jacinth]

just in general, abuse the fact that you're fast as fuck and never have to stay in melee range for very long

[analog brook]

Also I like charging through bosses from an upwards angle rather then a downward angle so I have more movement and options, aswell as more info on my screen

Also the "heavy" status on gauntlet is more impactful when you think. This is not an exaggeration or anything but the speed you move at is nearly all the damage it deals, it almost exclusive deals heavy damage and nothing else other then like 1 damage or something

[lavish jacinth]

I think gauntlet literally only does like 10% base damage on its own, the rest is entirely from heavy

the 600%-2700% shown on the loadout screen is just from the speed you get from it launching you forward

same with thunder gauntlet

[quasi crystal]

Yah lol I know the basics I've done e7 on her and have e8 done on mostly everyone I guess I just dunno what I'm doing wrong as her specifically lmao
Ty tho

[quasi crystal]

This is something I didn't think of tho ty ty

[analog brook]

I'm actually suprised cap didn't know this lol (assuming that's what the reaction is meant to convey)

[twin anvil]

How to beat the game

[lavish jacinth]

kill final boss

specifically get to stage 5 and leave through the teleporter, without realigning the prong things around it or taking a portal

[quasi crystal]

pretty sure the loader guide mentioned this at one point cant believe i forgot about it lmao ty ty

[lavish jacinth]

*or loop to stage 8 and obliterate yourself, not exactly 'beating the game' but it counts as a win

[twin anvil]

Ok thanks

[twin anvil]

Ok

I obliterate myself by entering the celestial portal right?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[twin anvil]

Ok ty

[crude hemlock]

guess i gotta unlock glass then

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, regular shaped glass will also work, you just need more stacks of it

[crude hemlock]

ah yeah just that strat seems alot less effort, genreally speaking

[lavish jacinth]

Afaik it IS mathematically the easiest way to get the unlock in terms of time spent and items needed, although it doesn't account for sots items. But yeah if you just wanna get it right away then stacking shaped glass would be faster

[cunning jay]

what are some good content mods for people who only like playing vanilla?

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-modding would be the best place to ask

[twin anvil]

What accessories i need for more damage

[lavish jacinth]

Depends on survivor, when in doubt on-hit effects and damage multipliers are always a safe bet

And it's always best to mix different damage items instead of stacking just a few things because they tend to multiply eachother

[twin anvil]

Ok

Thanks

Can i stack 50 crowbars to 1 shot

[wide parrot]

Yeah, but stacking different sources of damage increase will do more with less

[lavish jacinth]

Just 1 stack of watch will make all your crowbars (and all your damage in general) 20% more effective, for example

Almost all multipliers stack additively with themselves but multiplicatively with other multipliers

And it's just good to have more than one way to deal damage

[ionic igloo]

50 crowbars (50 items) is 38x damage but 15 crowbars and 11 watches (26 items) is 39x damage

just as a quick example

[marble osprey]

For optimal damage I believe it's like 1 watch per 4 crowbars, although it's been a minute since I've done the math

[lavish jacinth]

That sounds about right

I think I remember hearing 2 crowbars for every 1 watch and 1 crystal but idk about just watch and crowbar

[marble osprey]

Adding crystal doesn't change the ratio of watches to crowbars since it's just another multiplier on top, and yeah just went and did the math and it's 4 crowbars per watch
If you wanna include crystals it's basically the same it's just 4 crowbars to 1 watch to 1 crystal

[lavish jacinth]

I'm probably misremembering, this came up ages ago but I forget the original discussion

[marble osprey]

It's probably a better general tip, since you won't always have the effect from crowbar active
But for raw damage on the first hit, it's 4

[tawdry steppe]

can anyone tell me how i killed myself 😭

out of nowhere all of my hp disappeared and i died

[lavish jacinth]

Kinda impossible to tell from just that screenshot

[ionic igloo]

artifacts?

[tawdry steppe]

i dont have any artifacts or anything

i just kinda died randomly

first time playing artificer so i wasnt sure if there was something i was missing

[steady stone]

would probably say environment and not by yourself, wouldn't it? so not that

[tawdry steppe]

i didnt have any lunar items or anything

[steady stone]

the first thing that comes to mind is when you die to a turret's

was it right after you hit tp?
could maybe be a thing with warbonds, but that would be new. i just know they launch at the user after the boss dies

i know they dont do friendly fire, but who knows what bugs could be found

[tawdry steppe]

it wasnt

[lavish jacinth]

Without a recording there's just know way to know

[tawdry steppe]

fair enough

[lavish jacinth]

And with that many items it's kinda hard to narrow it down, assuming it was even an item that did it

[steady stone]

mhm

[tawdry steppe]

i dont think i had any items that damaged me anyway

[steady stone]

first thing that came to mind besides fuel array would be a bug interaction with warbonds and behemoth, but not if it wasnt during tp

but all the "natural deaths" would say you died to the "planet"

[lavish jacinth]

Only thing I can think of would be some jank with warped echo maybe

[steady stone]

or vultures

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah

[steady stone]

ive noticed some of the elite buffs have behaved strangely since sots, but nothing lethal
normally just like a permanent twisted buff

what if he lost health to the vultures losing shield during wecho charges?

[lavish jacinth]

Maybe?

[steady stone]

does dying to wecho count as self damage tho?

[lavish jacinth]

Either way I'm guessing it was probably a bug

[lavish jacinth]

I was thinking that too, would have to test it

Or who knows, maybe this is something like the one-in-a-billion bottled chaos instakill bug

[steady stone]

what? i've never heard of this lmao

[lavish jacinth]

My personal white whale lmao

[steady stone]

ive played with like 0 cooldown equip with 27 bhaos and have never in my life...

[lavish jacinth]

A while back, two people reported randomly dying after activating their equipment, and for one of them it killed their whole team too (the other guy was in singleplayer)

The only common factor we could find was that they both had bottled chaos

So I tried to recreate it, let the game running at 10x speed for an hour or so with like a hundred gestures and the tricorn hat but could never recreate it

Incidentally I'm pretty certain I've ahoy!'d more than anyone else in the ror2 community

[steady stone]

i'm sure it's been indirectly patched since, but it would be funny if not

things like that are quite difficult to fix

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, I haven't seen any report of it since, and they both happened within the same patch

[marble osprey]

They do launch at the player but that only deals damage if artifact of chaos is enabled

[steady stone]

mhm, but could've been the start of a new bug was the thought process

[marble osprey]

Yeah
Could it have been like a voidtouched goobo? Would that also just show up as artificer?

[lavish jacinth]

I think it would show up as gummy artificer? Not sure though

[simple smelt]

Does Warped Echo still break mythrix or is it cool to pick up now

[quasi crystal]

It's fixed

[livid wedge]

That got fixed real early, ye

[pastel epoch]

never had this happen to me before, i am stuck

[daring cloak]

Thats weird

Usually those leafs pull you through to the top

[cunning jay]

Whats the most fun way to play this game

[ionic igloo]

on a PC

[remote shard]

Playing chef

[quasi crystal]

Playing chef with skill swap mod so you can give him arrow rain

[obsidian temple]

can i choose what item to put in the 3d printer or is it always the last one i have?

[livid wedge]

There are scrappers that will sometimes spawn on the map. You can use these to scrap items you don't want. This scrap can be used at printers and is prioritized over regular items. Otherwise, it will take a random item.

And ye, it doesn't take your last item, it takes one at random from all of your items

[mellow crystal]

it's random, but prioritizes scrap like garbage said

[spark pawn]

and/or flamethrower

[spark pawn]

you make scrap with scrappers that are around the map, those let you pick what item you want to turn into scrap then when you print out of 3d printer it will take scrap first

this is a very important part of the game and will help you win much more as it essentially lets you make a build

[quasi crystal]

Flamethrower does colossal damage

Sear is dog shit but at least you can sprint during it

[spark pawn]

another very important part of this loop is the equipment called recycler, it lets you reroll items into something else, crazy good item

[spark pawn]

You mean to say its AGILE

[quasi crystal]

Fake agile like Vulcan, bouncing grenades and power saw

[spark pawn]

Im trynna think of more item macro methods, anyone got smth I forgot?

I guess you could say trophy hunter's tricorn falls into this?

[quasi crystal]

Saving tri shops until you confirm if there's a

[spark pawn]

right, executive card, completely forgot to mention it, executive card also affects shipping request forms btw

oh and if you have seekers of the storm you got sale star

when you enter a stage you can save the sale star and wait until you find either a large chest or a legendary chest if its stage 4

[quasi crystal]

Chance doll too but I can't be bothered to macro shrines

[lavish jacinth]

Look for a recycler before picking up bad items

[quasi crystal]

Got it I will spend 30 minutes recycling every steak

[lavish jacinth]

Especially high-rolling tiers like red or boss items

[spark pawn]

steak is bad???

impossible, preposterous

[quasi crystal]

I'd say it's almost as bad as atg , bands and headstompers

[spark pawn]

true

[plain parrot]

what is the chance of being gifted sots so i can use chef?

[lavish jacinth]

Probably zero

Not that chef is worth using right now anyway

[quasi crystal]

you just dont know the true power

[vast forum]

if i use the lunar that makes all my hp go to shield will the huntress not going below 100% health achievement basically be free

or does it not work like that

[lavish jacinth]

nah, shield still counts as max hp

barrier doesn't though, so can help

[vast forum]

alr ty

[lavish jacinth]

or you can use or artifact of glass

[cedar elk]

is there a way to remember the enabled artifacts when i create a new game so i dont have to select them every time? (it can be a mod too)

[lavish jacinth]

not in vanilla, but if there's a mod for it then #ror2-modding would know

[cedar elk]

okay i'll ask there

[raven smelt]

does stacking icbm increase damage of all rockets or just the ones it adds extra?

[lavish jacinth]

it only increases damage

[raven smelt]

I know but the first stack adds 2 extra missiles. Does it only increase damage for those 2? Or for all missiles?

[lavish jacinth]

oh no, it affects all of them

[livid wedge]

Barrier does count as health. It's just that the challenge specifies below 100%. So barrier above full health is 100%+

I learned that it counted as health while trying to get the challenge for rex of below 50% health during the teleporter event

[raven smelt]

oki thanku

[small fog]

Is there something preventing the radio scanner spawning on abyssal depths? I have been trying to get the log for hours but it hasn't spawned

[lavish jacinth]

nope, just unlucky

playing with command and sacrifice enabled increases the spawn chance though

so does multiplayer

[small fog]

yeah ive been doing that

[abstract oar]

Can I get some help idk why but since last week I haven't been able to play the game

Iv verified my license, deleted an reinstalled, launched modded an unmodded an the game just gets stuck at 99%loaded on the title screen

[lavish jacinth]

this is an issue that some people have been having, I'm not sure if there's any known fix but if there is then #ror2-tech-support might be able to help

[abstract oar]

Ok thx

[livid wedge]

Any idea what would cause the shrine messages to not appear in the bottom left text log? On ps5

[stoic wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/alklfg-gif-721835464026835118

[severe swift]

uhhhhhh just spent 10 mintes clearing void enemies to find this (enemy is stuck in wall) is there a way to fix this on multi

[lavish jacinth]

some explosions can go through walls, blast canister might be able to hit it

[severe swift]

i figured it out turns out it was the worm enemie i used the sigularity band pull to get it out

[livid wedge]

Yeah, even the used tricorn isn't saying Ahoy! in the chat log

The only thing that displays are item pickups

[lavish jacinth]

honestly no idea

[marble osprey]

Actually unplayable

[livid wedge]

Yeah, I'm reinstalling it because this is honestly weird

Reinstall did nothing

Uploading my save to the cloud and then redownloading it seems to have fixed it

[quasi crystal]

Is it possible to play with ai survivors or no

[lavish jacinth]

No

closest you'll get is , and all goobo does is demonstrate why AI survivors aren't a thing lmao

[fresh umbra]

TRUE

[daring cloak]

I once had a seeker goobo just completely turn its brain off, constantly shooting and using soujourn straight down while walking 45 degrees left of the direction it was facing

Like it straight up just went afk and had those specific inputs held down throughout its entire lifespan

[lavish jacinth]

yeah that sounds about right

[daring cloak]

I was so utterly bamboozled I forgot to record it

[lavish jacinth]

I honestly can't tell if sots made it dumber or if it was always like this, I wouldn't be surprised either way

[daring cloak]

Looks about the same as I remember it

[steady stone]

I just had this be applicable and remembered this conversation where we thought it wouldn't work, but it very much does
I've picked up the nuggets from the gilded hitting my turrets and gained a few hundred gold easily on stage 1

Could be useful knowledge, but I wanted to correct it just because

Also makes doing Halycon Shrine early more advantageous on engi, since that's where I just had it happen

[noble linden]

Does anyone have tips for getting void fiend

[steady stone]

To avoid the long path to voidling, you can go back to spawn after beating mithrix and spend 10 lunar coins to pet the , skipping right to voidling

[slim spoke]

go to voidling and stay the fuck away from it (so no loader/merc without proper builds)

[steady stone]

Since beating the game gives you 10 coins, this is a neutral loss

[slim spoke]

i wouldnt suggest doing simulacrum if youre on a tight time schedule

[slim spoke]

net zero :)

[steady stone]

mm, yeah

[noble linden]

What’s voidling?

I just recently beat the game and people said he’s good

[daring cloak]

Do you have the sotv dlc?

[steady stone]

Voidling is the boss you have to defeat to unlock , or wave 50 in Simulacrum

[noble linden]

I have the void dlc idk if it’s the same

[daring cloak]

Also to be entirely real, every survivor is good

Your own way of playing heavily impacts how good or bad you are with certain survivors

[steady stone]

viend is incredibly powerful and easy because of his self preservation using his healing skill, but every character can be about as good

[noble linden]

I don’t like commando

[noble linden]

Do I need the other one?

[steady stone]

not many survivors have good self healing, which is his powerful skill

[daring cloak]

No you dont need seekers

[slim spoke]

with great healing comes great hurting

[daring cloak]

To heal or not to heal

That is the question

[noble linden]

So I need to get to the voidling area and beat a boss?

Is there like a secret path

[daring cloak]

Yes you need to beat voidling or complete wave 50 of of the simulacrum game mode

[noble linden]

Which is easier cause I still kind of suck

[daring cloak]

I'd say simulacrum is gonna be easier

[slim spoke]

but longer

[daring cloak]

Since you dont have to learn an entire new boss

[noble linden]

Any character recommendations

I have everyone but heretic and acrid because I don’t understand how to get them

[slim spoke]

and possibly learn what a bad mechanic feels like

[steady stone]

is best for wave defense for obvious reasons, but if you wanna have fun, go whoever you want

[steady stone]

Heretic can't be unlocked, but you can ||transform into her by picking up all 4 heresy items:||

[noble linden]

From the salamander?

[steady stone]

Acrid can be unlocked by "clearing the void fields" found ||underneath the Bazaar through a purple portal||

[slim spoke]

yes

[noble linden]

How do I go under

[daring cloak]

Just jump down

[steady stone]

You just fall, it's all on a little bridge

[noble linden]

Oh cool

[steady stone]

the return barrier is really low, there's a cave

[daring cloak]

There will be a cave in the side of the rock that you need to land in

[slim spoke]

oh and fall damage is non lethal if you hadnt known it yet

[steady stone]

from a top down view, its kinda like here (purple)

[noble linden]

I didn’t know that u

[slim spoke]

wrong entrance

[noble linden]

Okay so I go there and I just unlock him?

[steady stone]

?

its to the left of the shop, is it not?

[daring cloak]

Its to the back of the shop iirc

[steady stone]

or well, would it be further to the left actually?

[daring cloak]

Like if you come from the bazaar and just walk past the portal I think you should be able to see the cave

[steady stone]

it takes you to the Void Fields, which you have to clear to unlock him

[slim spoke]

i saw that demonstration as if the cave entrance is a literal hole

[steady stone]

It's filled with void fog, and activating a cell creates a radius around it that removes the fog

[noble linden]

Okay I’ll do that in my next run

[steady stone]

Fog damages you unless in the radius

It's kind of like clearing a bunch of teleporters

[slim spoke]

@noble linden quick note: you can get acrid and void fiend in the same run

[steady stone]

no, just bad drawing with mouse for visual purposes lol

[slim spoke]

should have made it straight up
i aint having belly of the beast flashbacks

[steady stone]

Glass frog is probably more pleasant, but if you want to charge MORE cells, you can go to Void Locus after vields, and THEN voidling

[daring cloak]

Glass frog is probably not a good option for newer players though

[steady stone]

There's 2 portals that appear after vields, one returns you to Petrichor, and one to Void Locus

[daring cloak]

10 lunar coins per attempt is very demanding

[slim spoke]

fr
always remembered this as the m-type option

[noble linden]

I still don’t get how to get to the other void area

[steady stone]

^

[daring cloak]

Theres 4 ways to enter

[steady stone]

Void Fields > Void Locus > Planetarium, Home of Voidling

[slim spoke]

after you FULLY clear void field, there will be a null portal (easiest one)

[noble linden]

So vields then locus then voidling?

[steady stone]

And ping the portal before use though, to make sure it's the correct one

[slim spoke]

that will take you to void locus
theres no going back after going to void locus, mind you

[steady stone]

I dont remember the name, but I'll take Celestial's word that it's Null

[noble linden]

I heard looping is important for like endgame stuff should I do that or is it not necessary

[slim spoke]

it IS null
man you really need to go to vields more often

[steady stone]

Certain unlocks require it, and getting more powerful will make the fight easier

[steady stone]

even if i do vields, ive been to void locus maybe 3 times

[noble linden]

Is there an ending to the difficulty slider?

[daring cloak]

Null just takes you out

The void portal takes you to locus

[slim spoke]

you should do if youre going through locus
since enemies there can oneshot you on death and void fog is pretty much everywhere

[steady stone]

Yes, BUT certain enemies like Voidling, Mithrix, AwU, and Void Infestors have "special scaling" so they go further.

[slim spoke]

once
just once
never again

[daring cloak]

Null is how you get in and out of vields

Void is how you proceed to locus

[slim spoke]

damn fuck @noble linden

[noble linden]

Is there a certain amount of times I should loop?

[daring cloak]

Nah just loop until you feel ready

[steady stone]

it's a lot of math but essentially theyre the only enemies that dont have a cap on health at lvl 99

[daring cloak]

Just dont loop so much that your game crashes

[slim spoke]

no
this really depends on your pc performance
scavengers start spawning at around stage 9 or 10 and they drop hefty loots

so theres that

[steady stone]

Eventually you become unkillable really

With the exception being the void enemy instant kills

This is why Void Locus can be rough, since if you go out of the circle you take damage over time, but sometimes the Void Implosions go in the circle

Always make sure you have good healing before entering a level with Void Fog

[slim spoke]

most of the times

[steady stone]

The walk between cells can also kill you otherwise, even in Vields

[slim spoke]

planetarium parkour:

[noble linden]

What’s a scavenger

[steady stone]

[daring cloak]

I wonder if the bug that corrupts the fog after visiting pm in any run still exists

Would be very handy especially for the parkour

[slim spoke]

theyre big, they haul items, they can activate them
and the first one you kill every stage drops 10 random items

[daring cloak]

Actually one of you please check that rq

[slim spoke]

you'd wish

[daring cloak]

Or was it mentioned in the patch notes?

[steady stone]

if i run into fog ill let you know

actually i do have to close my game, so i can't

me when i lie

[jagged adder]

How noob no die lmao 🤣

[steady stone]

Generally you'll learn movement over time, and get better at looting

[slim spoke]

not me lol

[steady stone]

A good thing to remember is to try to fully loot a stage, as your items will outscale the timer as long as you don't take unreasonably long

I personally recommend playing Commando to learn item synergy and how proc works, and huntress for learning movement and some items that mando can't utilize effectively, but every character is good.

[quasi crystal]

[steady stone]

Chef has his strengths, he just happens to have a lot more weaknesses

[quasi crystal]

Yeah he does lol but I think telling a new player chef is good is a disaster in the making assuming they blame themselves

[steady stone]

I doubt one would have chef to learn the basics though, was my thought

[quasi crystal]

Fair

Though you can get chef within like 5 minutes of installing sots

Speaking of, the dlc survivors that are unlocked by default aren't good for learning, though they are good survivors

[daring cloak]

I mean to be fair

They are dlc so you cant exactly expect that content to be catered towards new players

[quasi crystal]

Yeah just saying if that have the dlc those fellas aren't the best for learning

[daring cloak]

Honestly depends on the player tbh

[noble linden]

Alright

[daring cloak]

There are some survivors that on average are better for learning

[noble linden]

I tried a run and I died like the second I got to the first part

[noble linden]

I think railgunner is pretty easy but to be fair I’ve gotten used to quick scoping

[daring cloak]

But like I for example really started to get a hang of the game once I got captain despite him being rather complex

[noble linden]

Really?

[daring cloak]

Yes do not ever try to do something like 5 minutes a stage

[steady stone]

A survivor I recommend for Vields is , since if you're going to die in the void fog, you can place a turret with , using both of your healing fields to get back to full.

It's best to have good movement and healing, though.

[quasi crystal]

1 item per minute is a good rule to start with, don't stress out if you go below that, just aim for it
Once you learn you'll know when to spend extra time in a stage for a printer or something

[noble linden]

Are his stationary turrets better than the moving ones?

[quasi crystal]

They're both good
Stationary are easier to use

[steady stone]

Generally they're very similar damage, but the big upside to a lot of people is that stationary can use

Putting all 3 turrets inside of eachother's healing ranges can make them practically immune to everything but burst damage (good luck against false son )

And you can stand in the middle, for 4 healing fields

Oh, but you do need a for a third turret

[noble linden]

you get 3?

[quasi crystal]

[noble linden]

Oh

[steady stone]

It doesn't go past 3, though.

You get more stacks, but only can put 3 down.

[noble linden]

okay I’ll try again with engineer

So the bubble and stationary turrets

I don’t have the alt ability for the mines

[steady stone]

Be warned that bubble shield does NOT protect against the voidling giant laser.

[noble linden]

So is the missile launcher better?

[steady stone]

Most people would think so, yeah

It synergizes well with too, but if you quickly look away and look back, it locks the harpoons on faster

It's often used like a primary attack, especially against flying enemies

[noble linden]

Is the alt for the mines worth getting

[steady stone]

Definitely

It's a proximity around them that when an enemy is detected, it automatically goes towards them and explodes

Sort of like default but without aim

[noble linden]

alright I’ll try another run with what I have and if that doesn’t work I’ll get the alt

[slim spoke]

spamming spiders is effectively close range default spamming

[steady stone]

The downside being that default mines do 300 or 900 damage depending on if they arm, and spider mines always do 600

[noble linden]

Seems like a reasonable trade off

[slim spoke]

yea no
spider mines are much more reliable

[steady stone]

yeah i try to give upsides for both but i dont remember the last time ive used bubble shield or default mines

i can swap between turrets sometimes though

[slim spoke]

i will always say this: bubble shield can skip tele bosses

[steady stone]

specifically against voidling i wouldnt even consider it though

it could block the seeking spam i'd assume, at least

[slim spoke]

harpoon is just better

[noble linden]

Man this is really hard

The dlc adds so many random things

[jolly belfry]

What's the best Survivor out of Commando, Huntress, Bandit, MUL-T, Engineer, Artificer, REX, and Seeker, which is best for Solo runs and evading damage while still being able to deal high damage? Basically asking about speed and damage. High durability is also preferred, even if sacrificing speed.

[hoary sedge]

i mean thats like 3 different questions at once

huntress is really fast and evasive and her damage is decent once you get alt special but shes very frail

mult can do good damage with procs and can be pretty tanky but is slow and has no vertical mobility. commando is similar but less durable and more mobile

if you want a mix of everything then probably seeker, almost entirely bc of sojourn (great mobility, you cant be hit while in it, does obscene damage if you can stay in it for a while which isnt that hard with alt m2)

[noble linden]

I was 4 waves off getting void fiend

1 whole hour

[jolly belfry]

Okay, thank you.

[quasi crystal]

Can I use the same item over and over to unlock the fireworks? Like using a crowbar, to print a crowbar

[north drift]

What's the fastest way to get red items? Not for run purposes, I simply want to start a run, get some reds in my logbook, and end the run (and possibly restart the run to repeat the process if so required)

[nocturne sierra]

What do I do when voidling has infinite health, lol

[slim spoke]

stage 4 has guaranteed reds

[north drift]

Thank you

[steady stone]

-/- is a console bug when the health goes over 2.4billion. It only affects the healthbar visual and should work fine. On pc, it reverts to -2.4billion.

Basically, special scaling mixed with 83 stages, you can also see it on AwU and Mithrix

[wind heron]

hello im new to ror2 and i installed survivor of the void
what should i know about the game before starting

[quasi crystal]

Don't follow any "you need to spend under x minutes per stage" rules
You will die, that's ok, you're meant to die and learn.

[molten topaz]

I have risk of rain 2 (with survivors of the void) and returns, but today I noticed risk of rain 1 was in my steam library and when I opened risk of rain 2 today, seekers of the storm was available for me to use and play. Is this a steam issue?

[analog brook]

Wooahh what, it's a console bug? That's fascinating. How does increasing hp further then 2.4B on pc work?

Do we know why this is btw?

[lavish jacinth]

integer limits, and I guess console hardware just handles it differently than PC

iirc on PC the healthbar displays a negative number and has glitchy visuals, it'll appear to empty normally at first but then gets stuck at around 75%.
It's just visual though, and the healthbar starts working again normally once their actual health gets below 2.4 billion I think

[lean elbow]

haii question! does spare drone parts work with rex?

[lavish jacinth]

no, it can only affect minions

[lean elbow]

ohh okai okai! what is the best legendary item for rex then?

sorry its my first time playing rex

[lavish jacinth]

Any of the usual suspects would work

might also be noteworthy since they easily apply an extra debuff that counts towards , which is pretty nice on rex since he has two built-in debuffs already. They don't synergize well with each other though so I'd suggest only getting one or the other

[lean elbow]

OO okaiii!! THANK YOUUU

[obsidian temple]

blast > burst on bandit right?

[azure crag]

Does warbonds work in mithrix fight

[azure crag]

The shotgun is much better yea

[daring cloak]

Anything with a big healthbar displayed on your screen will get targeted by bonds

[teal solstice]

Haven’t gotten the seekers of the storm dlc yet but has everything been fixed ? heard it was buggy on launch

[daring cloak]

Mithrix, tp bosses, umbrae, auri, awu and more

[daring cloak]

Yes the game is mostly fixed

[lavish jacinth]

shotgun is a little better on average but the rifle is fine if you wanna use it

shotgun has better raw damage output but the rifle has infinite range, no falloff and a higher proc coeff, it's mostly a playstyle difference

[severe swift]

how do i get past the part where false sun turns off your abilities

its screws me over every time

[marble osprey]

Hitting one of the geodes will give them back, so make sure you're close to one when the phase starts
Alternatively, you can get loop and get strong enough to kill him quickly enough he doesn't have time to do that

[severe swift]

oh didnt know you could loop him thought you could only get in from the first praying gold thingy on the first stage do those happen like every first stage or just a random chance to spawn

[marble osprey]

Random chance, and you can also get there from the gilded coast area or by finding one of the path of the Colossus stages in the newt shop

[severe swift]

alright awsome tysm

[analog brook]

And also scavengers sometimes for some reason

I have no idea why it does this

[turbid hinge]

I never got it in the newt shop

I never entered gilded

[marble osprey]

Good for you

[north drift]

How does tougher times actually work? Because if it's a 15% chance to block, then that means you only need 7 to be invulnerable and that doesn't feel right

[high forum]

the stat is not additive, it's multiplicative

[livid wedge]

It's not even that, it's hyperbolic

[north drift]

Ahh thank you

[livid wedge]

Block chance is equal to (amount of * 15)/(amount of * 15 + 100)

[high forum]

...yes, it's multiplicative. you can use either word for it lol

[livid wedge]

Hyperbolic scales worse than multiplicative is my main point

At 10 stacks, a multiplicative stacking would get you about 80% block chancr

For hyperbolic, you get a 60% block chance

[turbid whale]

does drizzle difficulty make it harder to beat the artifact boss fight?
just learnt that theres more than 1 artifact, and ive been tryna get them all but its taking a LONG time to kill this thing

[lavish jacinth]

in a way it can, lower difficulty scaling means enemies generally won't spawn as fast, which means it takes longer to get artifact keys

but it's also possible that you just get unlucky and it takes forever to drop, regardless of difficulty

[turbid whale]

i see, tysm

ill bump up the diff then, hopefully i can make it there before dying

[livid wedge]

At 20, multiplicative has a 96% block chance and hyperbolic has a 75% block chance @high forum

The scaling is different

[turbid hinge]

god please help I will never go to fields again with merc sorry

[livid wedge]

Vields always feels like agony on melee survivors

[turbid hinge]

why this shit

second teddy or wake or disc

ofc second teddy

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you can leave whenever you want

[lavish jacinth]

rip

[turbid hinge]

cowardice

the daisies actually saved the day

for the first time

[full apex]

Wake and disc are both good

[raven smelt]

how many gestures is it worth stacking?

[lavish jacinth]

depends on what equipment you've got

[raven smelt]

capacitor?

[lavish jacinth]

in that case as many as you want, really

or you can stack , it gives the same reduction as gesture does after the first stack

for equipments that give a temporary buff like tonic, there's no point stacking more than it takes to get permanent uptime on the buff. But with capacitor being an instant effect you can just stack until it hits a 1 frame cooldown, which is like 30 stacks I think

[turbid whale]

would i technically be immortal if i get 6 tougher times?
SURELY that isnt possible

[lavish jacinth]

no

[turbid whale]

:c

[lavish jacinth]

it stacks hyperbolically, so realistically you can't reach 100% block chance

the wiki has the math if you want https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Tougher_Times

you can stack if you wanna be mostly immortal though, it has a 1-frame cooldown at 65 stacks

[turbid whale]

gotcha

ill stack a lotta safer spaces then

[mellow crystal]

i wonder how many items would've been nerfed or completely different if hopoo never learned what hyperbolic stacking is

[turbid hinge]

no way wake is good lmao

[lavish jacinth]

for the record, I don't actually think it's worth doing except as a meme strat, since you'll more than likely be trading away a lot of damage, speed and other stuff. Unless you're late into a run, find a tougher times printer and have way more than 65 white items to spend on it

[lavish jacinth]

tougher times and armor would probably be affected the most

[full apex]

Blazing and overloading are 2 separate ways to add 50% total damage, one aoe and one amped further by ignition tank. The other elite effects are basically freebies, but overloading is only slightly worse than behemoth

[lavish jacinth]

+ armor are the only things that use it, unless I'm forgetting something. And most of those would probably be fine to use exponential or linear stacking

I wouldn't exactly call wake good, it's got a couple of useful buffs that you get semi-randomly but for the most part it's just kinda there. It gets better if you're looping though

[full apex]

Hyperbolic is kinda just inverted exponent. Like tougher times is functionally a linear % hp up. The actual effect being 1/x is what makes it hyperbolic

Namely, 200% health is 50% damage taken, 300% is 33% taken and etc.

It would have inevitably showed up somewhere just as a byproduct of math

[turbid hinge]

i dont have dlc

[full apex]

50% total is still good by itself

Wake gets stronger as you move up in difficulty, but even at base its probably a lot better than alien head or dios

But if you don't like it, resonance disc is also a pretty solid choice. Its quite strong and can trigger autoplay shenans if you get enough proc chain support

[nocturne sierra]

Should I fight Mythrix with spare drone parts considering the last phase or should I scrap it to be safe

[daring cloak]

Spare drone parts are blacklisted for mithrix

He cant use it

[nocturne sierra]

So he doesn’t get the col. drone man

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[daring cloak]

He doesnt

[nocturne sierra]

Oh ok cool

[lavish jacinth]

that got fixed ages ago

[daring cloak]

Because it was unfair as shit

[nocturne sierra]

What other items are on mythrix blacklisted list

[daring cloak]

Lost the one run where I got shared design because of that interaction back when it existed

[lavish jacinth]

All of the stuff that's on the normal AI blacklist I think, plus a few more that are unique to him

basically anything that either wouldn't work properly or would be totally unfair to fight against

[tender temple]

mithrix is my favorite blacklisted item

i do wonder why elusive antlers are blacklisted

they arent really useless or gamebreaking enough to be blacklisted

[lavish jacinth]

I'm guessing it's left over from their old functionality

same with noxious thorn

although I could see new antlers being a problem too, just from the amount of orbs it would create if every monster has it

[full apex]

I dont rember if antlers on enemies creates orbs for players or not

hmm looks like they dont spawn orbs at all

so its just the base speed up

[quasi crystal]

I would have assumed so since turrets spawned them

I wish functionally useless items would be blacklisted on enemies it's tiring to see salestars and such on vields

[wind heron]

hello does anyone know if railgunner marksman challenge needs to be a confirmed kill for 30 consecutive sniper shots

or can i shoot at a weak point without missing

and can i use the basic attack?

[cunning junco]

you can

also doesn’t need to kill

just get 30 consecutive hits

[wind heron]

but do you achieve it from completing the game or can you just die?

[cunning junco]

i recommend going to newt and just shooting his hand 30 times

thats how i got it

[cunning junco]

once you do the shots you get it, doesnt matter if you win or lose

just like almost every other achievement

[wind heron]

oh ok thx

[fresh umbra]

Newt has a weak point on his hand????

[cunning junco]

yeah

same with grandparents

[eternal storm]

Does safer spaces work on voidling’s giant death laser or will it just hit you multiple times and kill you anyway

[fiery walrus]

you can also just shoot wisps, which are pretty hard to hit without hitting their "weak spot"

a complete miss doesn't count

[mellow crystal]

it's multi-hit yea
most things like that are

afaik ror2 doesn't have hit i-frames unlike most games

[wind heron]

@cunning junco the shots if i miss a weak point does it reset back to 0?

[cunning junco]

yes

[wind heron]

ok thanks again

[eternal storm]

Oh ok

[wind heron]

@cunning junco alo i almost forgot lets say theres 2 enemies and one is behind the first enemy if i somehow miss the collateral weakpoint does it count as streak lost

[slim spoke]

you just need to hit one wp per shot afaik

[wind heron]

@slim spoke so if i collat another enemy behind without hitting the weakpoint by hitting the first enemy before the collat directly at their weak point it should still count the streak?

[analog brook]

As long as your shot hits one weak point it should be fine, but you could just avoid this to be safe

[quasi crystal]

If you're desperate the newt strategy works

[analog brook]

Btw collat isn't an English word so it's a little hard to decipher haha

[lavish jacinth]

It's short for collateral

[frank escarp]

what is the green portal for?

[mellow crystal]

seekers of the storm boss path

[analog brook]

Oh my bad I've never seen that used anywhere lol

[wind heron]

oh sorry

@analog brook hello do you know how to activate a portal for mithrix in sky meadow?

[obsidian temple]

is there any base guide for the best items? i cant find any including the 2nd dlc too

[ionic igloo]

it depends on too many things, this is a fluid game after all

at this point, everything added with sots is decent at worst

[obsidian temple]

thing is im new to the game and have little knowledge on the game items

trying to understand proc and everything else

[ionic igloo]

movement speed is good to start because it lets you dodge and loot stages quicker

[obsidian temple]

also referring to items that 100% help you and those that dont at all

[full apex]

For on hit proc stuff, the best will probably be chain items that can also proc other on hits, so like

If you can stack it quickly enough, bleed is really strong

Is there a specific tier or item category you're most interested in? For just generally the whole item pool its a bit tough to say since theres a lot to go through

[ionic igloo]

I basically always scrap medkit, steak, stealth kit

[full apex]

But yea movement speed is great, attack speed is decent in high rof characters, tougher times and also armor are quite strong

Medkit is honestly pretty great for healing until later on, and on like stage 1 or 2 it can sometimes carry your healing

[ionic igloo]

there are a ton more items I scrap a lot, but sometimes I don't because I'm in a scenario where they're actually useful or I've gotten lucky and stacked so many Warbanners it covers the entire teleporter range

[full apex]

Stealthkit is fine to toss but having one can be a decent insurance. Steak kinda falls off at like lvl 7 or 10 or smth i don't remember, so its pretty safe to avoid/scrap

[ionic igloo]

like people like to hate on or but sometimes those are your only healing items and they're putting in mad work. Then you don't scrap them

[full apex]

Damage boost items like or boost all your damage and multiply each other, so having a variety of them will help a lot

Idk if thats like too much info haha

[full apex]

What do you mean?

[analog brook]

If you want to go to mithrix, use the teleporter without interacting with its prongs. Rotating its prongs makes you loop. If you use a portal those will also make you loop

Do damage boosts like watches account for overspill benefits before the meteor crashes down?

[full apex]

I dont actually remember if they affect the chance

I want to say no because that's how it should work, but i would have to double check because with sots you never know

[obsidian temple]

prolly the common/uncommon since i feel like theyre the easier to stack and squish all?

[livid wedge]

They aren't. Otherwise sniper crowbars would trigger it almost everytime and it sure don't

[full apex]

it has a chance cap

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much every item can help in some way or another, and even trash items can at least be scrapped and used in a printer or cauldron.
As a general rule anything that multiplies damage is almost universally good, either directly multiplying damage like , or procs that deal total damage (meaning a % of the hit that procced them) like . Ofc there's a little more nuance depending on character and build, but it's a lot to explain all at once

anything that gives move speed or general mobility is almost always strong, and most healing items are at the very least decent besides

also don't worry too much about getting a 'perfect' build, ror2's items are sorta designed with randomness in mind, and usually the best way to build damage is to just mix a bunch of different damage items so that they can multiply each other's effects.

[full apex]

doesnt look like it should, its in onhit not take damage. so as expected

[cunning junco]

I genuinely do not know about that one

[turbid whale]

is there a way to disable the enemies and maps from a dlc, but keep the item drops and characters from it?
the dlc i have is survivors of the void if thats important

[lavish jacinth]

are the only items I'd pretty confidently put in the "almost always bad" category, and even they have their uses

[ionic igloo]

yes there is in fact a mod for that

[lavish jacinth]

not in vanilla though

[turbid whale]

gonna be honest, im a lil new so i dont really wanna mod

[turbid whale]

sadge :c
ill just play with the new maps then

[lavish jacinth]

what's wrong with the new maps?

[ionic igloo]

why do you want to only disable half of a DLC

[full apex]

i actually like knurl

like yea its overshadowed by the great boss items, but always on regen that scales with your level is really nice

i also think aegis gets shit on more than it deserves considering is probably worse

[turbid whale]

i kinda wanna learn the vanilla maps first, find out where the teleporters usually spawn, then learn the dlc

takin it one step at a time if that makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

eh, alien head isn't super impactful, but most of the time aegis straight up does nothing

[turbid whale]

also cus this snow map keeps popping up as my first map and i can never find the teleporter on it

[ionic igloo]

did you mess with the setting that makes teleporter particles easier to see

[full apex]

idk if id say most of the time. and when you do kick it fully on its really good

[analog brook]

Btw what happened here? Originally thought maybe runic double dips damage but its base not total

[lavish jacinth]

well if it's any help, there aren't really spots where teleporters 'usually spawn', it's mostly random like chests- although they do try to spawn relatively far from the player spawn

you can also find them by looking for a cloud of orange particles in the air, there's even a setting to make them easier to see

[turbid whale]

wait this is new info
i never noticed it had particles around it

[lavish jacinth]

they're fairly easy to see once you know about them but it's easy to overlook them

[turbid whale]

like these?

[ionic igloo]

yes

[full apex]

i just fired it up to fuck with meteor, looked left and there it is lol. ez to see particles

[turbid whale]

:D

i guess i dont really have to learn tp spawns then :D

[full apex]

it sings to you as well

[lavish jacinth]

I think breaching fin happened

[livid wedge]

It does? Supercharge ult always procs it for me though

[lavish jacinth]

unlike other multipliers, fin actually does let procs double dip

[full apex]

supercharge has a 300% proc coeff and coeff comes after the chance cap because lul

[livid wedge]

Ah

[full apex]

also i think they raised it from 50% to 75% in the first patch

even before that tho, it was over 100% base iirc.

yea 4k caps

[livid wedge]

Still my favorite dlc red

I really like the visual they added/fixed for it

[full apex]

i still think the effects are waaaaaay too poor for something that should feel really powerful but its better than nothing!

[lavish jacinth]

it really needs better sfx

[analog brook]

Woah woah woah wdym?

[full apex]

wtf its in on hit enemy

[lavish jacinth]

fin's damage bonus directly increases the damage of a hit, so anything that procs off of it will get higher initial damage. Then if the proc hits the same enemy while they still have the fin debuff, it gets fin's damage bonus again

[full apex]

it should be in takedamage

fnuuy jankery

[lavish jacinth]

classic sots moment

[full apex]

should be 43

[lavish jacinth]

it also means that fin allows you to proc bands even on damage that otherwise wouldn't

[full apex]

classic!

[full apex]

right, because it comes before procs like expose.
damn
fin is great now isnt it? i forgor it was guaranteed

sots patch really took bad items and buffed every single aspect of them. lot of overbuffs that i think probably wont be re-nerfed but ig its fine

[lavish jacinth]

I kinda wonder if they intentionally overcorrected on some of the buffs

like, imagine how poorly-received the update would be if they reworked all the items and they still sucked

[full apex]

i dont think OP = better but i imagine it would be less disappointing to the majority of players

[daring cloak]

They do seem to expect having to re-rebalance the items with all this community feedback they're taking

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I'm thinking they decided to err on the side of making everything OP and then nerf it based on community feedback

[full apex]

could be good!

we'll see after the patches.

[daring cloak]

And really concept wise the items are in a really good spot rn its just that the numbers and some mechanics behind em are overtuned

Like theyre not gonna have to redesign them again

[lavish jacinth]

for the most part, yeah

fin double dipping probably wasn't intended though

[full apex]

ig it having a CD makes the strength more fine. but yea double dipping is kinda a rule breaker which is the main reason i would dislike it, feels less intentional and more accident

railer mine procs fin which appears to be very silly

damn. so close

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it seems like they just created a damage type for abilities, because afaik it only procs off of skill damage

[lavish jacinth]

did you just invent a golf minigame inside of ror2

[full apex]

it has a CD so i presume it only procs on one enemy

[daring cloak]

The new variant that doesnt involve launching yourself with diablo

[full apex]

or one instance meyb

[daring cloak]

Ye its moreso one instance

Ive had captains shotty send multiple enemies flying but only in very few cases

[lavish jacinth]

you would think so, but it aoes can proc it on multiple enemies at a time, even through behemoth

the fact that it works with behemoth means there's definitely some damage type weirdness happening

[full apex]

the code for fin looks weird

also idk why this if isnt just buffcount > 0, but instead sets a local var immediately beforehand. or just call the getbuff right in the if directly

either way tho theres a ton of buff juggling here and i guess i assume one of the buffs handles the actual knockup and CD stuff but i dont really want to dig that hard, ive already checked like 3 different places haha

if it procs on behemoth, wouldnt that mean it doesnt demand skill damage?

i see no tesla procs

[lavish jacinth]

it's almost like it uses skill damage to determine whether or not fin can proc, then there's another damage type to apply fin's debuff?

[full apex]

the buff stuff just appears to require coeff > 0

but idk. behemoth inheriting damage types would make me unsurprised if it just added a damage type

[lavish jacinth]

delicious spaghetti code

[full apex]

also cap shotty does activate on multiple enemies if its same shot

[lavish jacinth]

sounds like it

[full apex]

makes sense, it would behave the same as an aoe

also still goes off for aoe with scrap, despite scrap technically hitting first and then exploding after haha. its same frame so it does make some sense

[lavish jacinth]

it's weird that it doesn't just work on one enemy at a time like bands do

[full apex]

yeagh. i assume because the CD is buff it may be based on when that ticks first rather than being handled just in onhit like all procs

i do find it a liiiittle silly how many items just completely break conventions haha

but
its a new team so it makes a bit of sense

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, a lot of the issues seem to stem from gbx not knowing how the existing code works

although you'd think they'd just look at how similar items work

[full apex]

like runic not just being total damage and worded weird when its just total damage

or boomerang being recycled so it bleeds. or even lil stuff like basically all chars breaking the level up stats convention

i kinda h8 that a lil bit but its just because im silly haha. its not a huge deal

[wintry fjord]

How does runic lens work, I have not a clue

[full apex]

its just base damage+total damage with a cap, and the chance is increased by the base damage of the skill also with a cap

[lavish jacinth]

the short answer is that the more damage you deal, the higher its proc chance and damage

[full apex]

wait is it really 3+3 per 100 i forgor that was changed, thats fucked lol

but heres like some damage points

[daring cloak]

Gotta put 40000% on that graph too

[full apex]

you can see for each 100% base damage increased, the chance increases by 3% and the damage by 150%

way ahead of u

10k too for non-sweetspot diablo

[daring cloak]

Yeahhhh

[full apex]

its just comfortably capped nowadays

the chance scales so damn fast lol

it caps at just 2400%

damage at 3700%

[daring cloak]

Wait thats 7500 base damage right?

[full apex]

basically

because the total damage part is also in the cap

idk why it caps tbh it makes stacking it a bit iffy but ig its fine

[analog brook]

So you both proc fin and get it's benefits at the same time?

[lavish jacinth]

you proc it first, then other procs will benefit twice (or three times, or as many times as the proc chain will allow)

[full apex]

very silly

[analog brook]

"3% chance on hit to call down a meteor, dealing 2000% base damage. Every 100% attack damage dealt increases the activation chance by 3% (+3% per stack) and damage by 150% (+50% per stack)." Which number here is for total damage?

[full apex]

150%

you could word ATG as every 100% deals 300%, so for ex 200% would be 600

if atg was 150, 200% would be 300

[analog brook]

Oooh so if a commando M1 hits, it'll get buffed by knockback fin, and then procs an ATG which has the initial buff, but also gets another one for hitting the enemy? (Sorry for asking so many questions lol)

[full apex]

.

[analog brook]

I think I'm being dumb.

[full apex]

for this the initial shot is 12 which is correct, atg should be 36, *1.2 for fin is 43.2, but it deals 51.84 because it gets fin twice

[analog brook]

Oh ok an atg was what dealt the damage in that screenshot ok that makes sense

[full apex]

right sorry, not a clip haha

[lavish jacinth]

it's basically like fin directly increases the damage of the skill or proc itself, instead of adding an extra multiplier at the end of the damage calculation like normal

[full apex]

actually now that i think about it, does it always double dip because its in both global event manager and character body?

the initial hit only dealt 12 so the first pass for atg would be 1x, and on hit it would be 1.2x for fin

hmmm

i might have to relaunch the game lol

[analog brook]

This is really confusing though... So it deals 2000% base damage and everytime an overspill damage boost gets added, that damage boost is total damage off of what procced runic..???

[full apex]

imagine its half an atg with 2k base added on top

total damage is just % of what procced it, so x% per 100% is functionally the same thing

[lavish jacinth]

150% total damage + 2000% base damage

[analog brook]

Oh ok

[analog brook]

That seems. Abhorrently broken. heavy hits which you wanna proc it on getting extra total damage is kind of a lot no?

Anyway. Shouldn't the fin thing be reported? Like for the Take2 bug report tickets?

[full apex]

12 -> 14 - > 82

[analog brook]

I would but I have no idea how to phrase it correctly or what the actual problem at hand is

[lavish jacinth]

I'm pretty sure it's already been reported, at least in the bug report channels

not recently but I remember people talking about it there

[analog brook]

Huh, alright. if you say so. 🙏

[analog brook]

WAIT
where is 150% coming from, I thought it was 100% no? 😭

[full apex]

12 no buff
x1.2 = 14.4
x3 is 43.2 into atg
x1.2 is 51.84
x1.2 is 62.2
x1.2 is 89.6

lemme try this on a lem i forgor armor

[analog brook]

Was that buffed this update?

I swear it was 100, unless I'm just losing myself due to old age

[full apex]

forgor if the damage was, but the chance yes. used to be +1% per 100%

[analog brook]

Well I came out with significantly more knowledge out of this I guess. More appreciative of runic lense now lol

[livid wedge]

Still my favorite dlc red

[analog brook]

Should definitely be phrased better in game though

[livid wedge]

Despite the new information

Damage used to be 100% total added, yeah

Over buff, especially for champs with less damage %

[analog brook]

So a 1000% damage attack that procs runic lense makes it deal 1500% total damage of the original hit if I'm understanding it correctly? 👀

[full apex]

ok
wtf
these numbers for fin im getting just dont make sense

but at the very least theres a lot of 1.2x happening in here

[opal willow]

qwp

[obsidian temple]

does super massive leech work when having transcendence?

[lavish jacinth]

technically yes, it won't heal your shield though

[analog brook]

Yo I remember you what's up

[opal willow]

nothing whats the discussion rn

[analog brook]

I wish I could tell you but I'm afraid I'm not grasping the full situation of how weird these items are

[full apex]

you can check this qwp
150% is 1.5x, 1500% x1.5 is 2250%, +2k% base is 4250%

[lavish jacinth]

it's always just 150% total, plus an extra 2000% base

[full apex]

for 1000% x1.5 is 1500%, with 2k base added its 3500%

[analog brook]

ok I think I ACTUALLY get it now

[lavish jacinth]

the item description makes it seem WAY more complicated than it actually is

[livid wedge]

Plus it's 2000% base damage

[full apex]

for the chance, you can do /100 (to convert the % to a number) and then x3, + the 3% base

[analog brook]

I was under the assumption that the total damage multiplier scaled with how strong the original hit is

[livid wedge]

The description seems straightforward to me

[full apex]

so for 1000%, thats 10x, which is 30% +3% base for 33% chance final

[livid wedge]

My only question is whether is was affected by proc chance, which I assume it is

Since supercharge triples it

[full apex]

damage no, chance yes

[livid wedge]

Yeah, chance is what I meant

[analog brook]

This description fucking sucks ass actually I'm gonna leave feedback for this later how have I not seen this talked about

[full apex]

they are calc'd in different spots

though i suppose that doesnt necessarily mean the damage must be independent... but it is

[full apex]

i think its fine now... though having it say total + base would follow the convention of every other proc

[livid wedge]

Also, when the railgunner default sniper pierces, does the base damage of the hit become halved or does it just halve damage like the target had armor

For purposes of runic lens damage calc

[full apex]

i think its falloff so the base should go down but i can double check

[livid wedge]

It's considered falloff?????

[analog brook]

"Every 100% attack damage dealt increase the activation chance by 3% (+3% per stack) and damage by 150%" makes it seem like 150% scales for every 100% damage but it's just static

[lavish jacinth]

"3% chance to call down a meteor dealing 2000% base damage + 150%(+50% per stack) total damage.
Proc chance increases by 3%(+3% per stack) for every 100% base damage dealt"
is probably what it should be

[livid wedge]

Also, I thought falloff damage was still whatever the initial base % was, just reduced at range

[full apex]

ill deal with fin more later i have no fucking idea whats happening with it, though it is dealing WAY more than it should and way more than just double dipping

atg that should hit for 36 dealing 99 is fucked

[full apex]

ignore the 19 crit it came after the proc, lucky ig lol. but the atg is dealing 3x the damage after falloff

[livid wedge]

Yeah, which it should

What I mean is, say his primary was 400% instead. If he moved far away and falloff reduced the base damage % of the attack, then band would stop working at distance

[full apex]

o

uh
is there a way i can try that haha

ig it should but idk if it applies anywhere

[livid wedge]

I dunno who has an attack with falloff with that amount of damage

It's not particularly important, just curious

Piercing with the sniper is already kind of finicky anyway

[full apex]

how so?

[analog brook]

Can you @ me or update me in the future when knockback fin gets solved or is that just me being too nosy 🥺

[livid wedge]

The sniper seems more lax on hitting something if it's the first target hit

[full apex]

nah i can ping u if i fuck with it again

[livid wedge]

Like, it'll hit even it I'm a few pixels off but the enemy has to be directly behind it

[analog brook]

Hell yeagh, awesome ❤️

[livid wedge]

I notice it mostly when sniping smaller enemies like beetles

[full apex]

hmmmm

[livid wedge]

Could also be just a perception thing

[full apex]

my VLC is lagging out for some reason so im just gonna upload this and watch it in discord

nvm ig my pc is just angry with me rn lol

[livid wedge]

Bruh, opening that killed my discord

[full apex]

idk if this is what you mean, i was trying to snipe specifically right next to the hurtboxes

[livid wedge]

Mobile, anyway

Lemme try desktop

yeah, that is what I was talking about

Must just be me, then

I wonder why the railgunners primary can't hit the void infestors when they are "walking" on the ground

Shots just don't connect

[daring cloak]

The shitters are just too small

[livid wedge]

They hit when midair, though

[lavish jacinth]

hitbox jank

[daring cloak]

The smart rounds arent that smart and just miss the infestor and collide with the ground instead

If theyre in the air the rounds orbit around and eventually manage to hit

[livid wedge]

The one enemy I hate while railgunner

I'm not good enough to snipe them and the primary sucks at hitting them

I actually just charge the special before opening a void cradle so I can make sure I kill them

[full apex]

yea i just try to kill shit around them so they cant infect

[full apex]

or this

[turbid hinge]

guys what does the loader achivemnet of kill loader in bulwark mean, do i have to die or sth

[lavish jacinth]

you have to do the artifact of vengeance trial

[full apex]

vengeance trial spawns doppelganger copies of you

[turbid hinge]

like is the game expecting me to sepukku or what

[full apex]

one per wave, 3 waves. though killing yourself does work, it requires chaos

[turbid hinge]

hmmmm

[full apex]

and 1ups

[turbid hinge]

I entered bulwark a lot and all of them were command

[lavish jacinth]

it depends on which code you put in

[full apex]

if you always use the same code, you always get the same trial. they are hidden all over, or if you dont care for the hunt you can look them up.

the wiki has a tips page to guide you without outright spoiling if youd prefer

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifact_Hints

[analog brook]

Oh shit that's so awesome

Who wrote these?

[turbid hinge]

I know

[lavish jacinth]

dunno, the wiki has had this for ages