ror2-game-questions

[lavish jacinth]

the alt grapple can waste the damage bonus from crowbar though, so if someone said it makes her charged punches do less damage, that's probably why

yeah, it's a bug

[forest linden]

I'm being told that I infact had the wrong ability lmao. my friend was talking about her alt ultility, which I didn't know she had

[lavish jacinth]

well, the alt utility also scales its damage with move speed

that's what the 'heavy' trait in the description means

[forest linden]

Oh lmao

[lavish jacinth]

*velocity, not move speed

(your actual speed stat doesn't really affect it much)

[cobalt iron]

From the swing right

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[cobalt iron]

I actually dont 100 per know howbit work

If u have two rclick its easier to get more velo right?

Like two spider man thingy

[lavish jacinth]

you can technically take on her and it'll have little to no effect on her damage as long as you stay grappled

[haughty tapir]

k

[lavish jacinth]

kinda, you get a small speed boost when the grapple initially lands, and while grappled you constantly accelerate in the direction you're holding

[cobalt iron]

Its just i keep telling my friend to get the item for loader i forgot the name

[lavish jacinth]

?

[cobalt iron]

Its extra mag i think yeag

[severe shard]

thats the best way to get it but it doesnt matter where the velocity comes from

eg you can use headstompers to get good velocity

[lavish jacinth]

yeah
will usually do a better job of directly increasing damage, but backup mag lets you grapple around more and build more speed

[lavish jacinth]

or thunderslam

[severe shard]

yeah but pylon >

[cobalt iron]

Yes and band too 😋

[lavish jacinth]

if you're interested, here's Loader 101 https://youtu.be/zeRRJGfzuSw?si=HZfiqstsxNb1K7Lt

[severe shard]

cap also has a good video on her

[cobalt iron]

Lol, do some ppl use that i like only use pylon

[lavish jacinth]

doesn't go into any advanced stuff but it's short and covers all the important basics

[severe shard]

pylon is the better option, not that it matters since loader is crazy

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

the slampunch tech is really strong if you're good at it

takes practice though

[severe shard]

loaderruler is a very nice mod to have

[severe shard]

balanced

[cobalt iron]

Jesus, ur actually loader main bro

[lavish jacinth]

not my clip lol

[cobalt iron]

Oh

[severe shard]

im aa loader main but havent used slam much

[lavish jacinth]

it's one of Jazzboats clips

[severe shard]

and am also somewhat new

[lavish jacinth]

server's resident loader expert, they haven't been around in ages though

[severe shard]

damn unfort

loader immediately popped out to me because dynamic movement

[lavish jacinth]

I mained loader for a long time, I think she's still my most played even after nearly 1k total hours. Kinda got bored of her after a while tho

[severe shard]

i played basically only her for my first ~150 hours

recently been playing others because i dont wanna only be good at loader

and dont wanna burn out

[lavish jacinth]

her movement is fun but Loader runs get kinda samey

[severe shard]

yeah

most of the time youre not doing any crazy movement stuff

largely just due to map restrictions tbh

but yeah her build variety is pretty bad

basically just bands, pure damage (namely crowbar), backup mag, and a few proc items

atg uke/plute and lens come to mind

but the first 2 are good on aanyone so

whats that console mod called again

[lavish jacinth]

debugtoolkit?

[severe shard]

yes thx

blanked on the name

[cobalt iron]

Yeah except that one character that cant proc band

[severe shard]

i meant atg and uke/polylute

aalso which character is that

[lavish jacinth]

And every survivor can have a band proc, depending on loadout

[severe shard]

thats what i thought

doesnt mando only have nade

[lavish jacinth]

even if you don't they can proc it through stuff like atg or shuriken

phase round can proc bands after piercing an enemy

[severe shard]

oh true

[cobalt iron]

Yeah thats why its probably one of the most op green

[severe shard]

def

bands have the most raw power out of any green

[cobalt iron]

Isk the grenade so hard to use

[severe shard]

best is kinda debatable

[lavish jacinth]

it takes a little practice

[severe shard]

but situtional

[cobalt iron]

Maybe hopoo better :P

[severe shard]

also just kinda bad unfort

yeah hopoo feather is very good

but yeaah its all situational

[lavish jacinth]

even that's debatable, they're near the top but atg can compete pretty well since it can actually proc

[severe shard]

true

atg + band though

[cobalt iron]

Just depend on char

[severe shard]

depends on character and build

on loader if i had 90 clovers id take atg over baand

[cobalt iron]

But overall i think hopoo the best since all char can benefits from it

[severe shard]

yeah

only character hopoo feaather isnt as good on is merc and even then its still solid

[cobalt iron]

Merc is conceptual op

[lavish jacinth]

depends on how you define "best" I guess

[severe shard]

yeah

hopoo feather gives you great mobility aand thus survivability

stuff like atg and uke let you clear screens

and bands let you delete anyone you dont like

[cobalt iron]

Vertical hieght this game is kinda op

[severe shard]

ror2 enemies dont look up

except magma worms they always look up

[cobalt iron]

Ye lol they cant hit flying things

[orchid reef]

hello

[severe shard]

recently had one fly into the skybox on sky meadow

kinda odd

[cobalt iron]

Hi

[orchid reef]

does that benefit artificer tho? she already has her jump utility

[cobalt iron]

Mm kinda odd

[orchid reef]

👋

[lavish jacinth]

if you're using surge then not really

but cool kids use flamethrower

[orchid reef]

agreed

[cobalt iron]

I mean it definitely benefits but maybe not as useful as like captain

[cobalt iron]

Lol flame thrower

[orchid reef]

right

[uneven zephyr]

Does war bonds synergize with icbm? Cause that sounds op but also really sad if it doesn't

[lavish jacinth]

more fun than playing weather balloon simulator

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't, but it's already pretty op even without that

[uneven zephyr]

Can it proc bands?

[lavish jacinth]

considering it can proc and benefit from multipliers

[cobalt iron]

What war bound

[orchid reef]

recently started the game and am 97/121 achievemnts towards completion...will do eclipse after it

[lavish jacinth]

SoTS item

[cobalt iron]

Oh

[uneven zephyr]

Ok yeah that's fair

[cobalt iron]

I thought i had alzhemer

[severe shard]

its still nice

surge sends you to the stratosphere on cooldown

[lavish jacinth]

it's fine, it just gets a lot less value

[severe shard]

yeaa

[cobalt iron]

I mean who uses flame thrower

[lavish jacinth]

I do

bc surge is boring lol

[cobalt iron]

Omg how

Respect

[severe shard]

flamethrower should just be an aoe tbh

[cobalt iron]

U become captain taking flame thrower

[severe shard]

actually no that wouldnt help arti at all

[lavish jacinth]

they really need to un-nerf its damage

[orchid reef]

ion surge should be unlocked by default instead of that mid flamethrower

[lavish jacinth]

when they reworked burn damage for SotV they accidentally nerfed flamethrower's damage a ton

[severe shard]

whats the proc of flamethrower

[lavish jacinth]

and for some reason they buffed flame bolt's damage to compensate, but not flamethrower. They just made it scale with attack speed, which it should've done all along

[lavish jacinth]

1.0

[severe shard]

huh

[cobalt iron]

Its just underwhelming

[severe shard]

so pretty good for proc

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[cobalt iron]

But thw initial damage is kinda low right?

[severe shard]

i mean

a single mult nailgun shot is low damage

but hes arguably the best proc character

[cobalt iron]

I mean what r u gonna do with proc with flame thrower

[severe shard]

wdym

[cobalt iron]

U can go like bleed build and many

Flame thrower u just make them go fire

[orchid reef]

wanted to ask a quick question....last day i was playing huntress with command artifact and when i was in the bazaar, buying the red item didnt give me a command essence and instead gave the item displayed...is that how it works or maybe due to the qol mods my friend sent me to play with, cause i couldnt find anything like that written on wiki

[severe shard]

i dont see what the difference is between flamethrower and nailgun mult for procs

[cobalt iron]

I doubt youll want ukulele for the flame thrower

[lavish jacinth]

there's also that funny bug where any time a burn DoT wears off, it also takes other debuffs with it

[severe shard]

other than range obv

[lavish jacinth]

probably related to one of your mods, because it should give you a command essence

[severe shard]

and the burst

[orchid reef]

right

i dont use much mods so will disable all except proper save and stats

[cobalt iron]

Nail gun with the special does a lot more damage no?

[lavish jacinth]

well, the fact that mul-t's proc rate can be sustained while flamethrower is only used for 3 seconds at a time

[severe shard]

yea true

[orchid reef]

the mod list he sent me has like 20 emote based mods ffs 💀

[severe shard]

i think flamethrower has more dps while its active

[cobalt iron]

If u talk about the burn

[severe shard]

but less if you include downtime

[lavish jacinth]

it does if you include the burn, but it's weaker otherwise

[severe shard]

yeah

[cobalt iron]

We were talking about procs

[severe shard]

idk

seems like her best tool for procs

[lavish jacinth]

well, dps also matters for procs, at least for total damage

[severe shard]

but you should also just not really be using procs on arti

except for again atg uke

lens

[lavish jacinth]

total damage procs are good on anyone

[severe shard]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

and needletick is also decent on her. It's mainly just bleed that doesn't work so well

[severe shard]

stuff like bleed is abysmal on survivors like arti and loader though

its basically just arti and loader

its bad on railgunner but not as much

[cobalt iron]

Does needle tick counts the overall damage unlike bleed?

[severe shard]

no

[lavish jacinth]

it's base damage, but it does more up front than bleed

[severe shard]

needletick vs bleed is basically just

[lavish jacinth]

while bleed stacks better

[severe shard]

can you sustain bleed

and how many stacks

if you can consistently proc and sustain bleed then keep dagger

[lavish jacinth]

tick is great for bursts of procs that are hard to follow up on, like flamethrower. Or just random bits of AoE damage

[cobalt iron]

Ah then the enemies needle tick passive must be op

[severe shard]

if not take needletick

[severe shard]

yeah collapse is dangerous

[lavish jacinth]

it's mainly just that enemies have much higher base damage than players do

[severe shard]

that too

[lavish jacinth]

and for some reason, certain enemies have really high base damage

[severe shard]

but they do also hit far less often

[severe shard]

brass contraption moment

easy to dodge but take half your health bar in one hit

[cobalt iron]

One shot

[lavish jacinth]

actually nah, contraptions are 10(+2/level), which is pretty average

they just have high skill damage

[severe shard]

ah

[cobalt iron]

Lameriant?

[severe shard]

not like youd ever know

[lavish jacinth]

but then you have stone titans with 40+8 base damage for some ungodly reason, their attacks just do a really small % of that

[severe shard]

do imps have high base damage to make their bleed stronger

[lavish jacinth]

but voidtouched stone titans are terrifying

[cobalt iron]

Lol thats very truw

[severe shard]

ive learned to hate stone titans for their laser

i feel like it should be more strafeable

like golems

[lavish jacinth]

regular imps have 10+2, overlords are 16+3.2

[severe shard]

not as strafeable as them tho

[cobalt iron]

R u nerd bro aint no way

[lavish jacinth]

eh, I think it's fine. You just need to be mindful of it

[lavish jacinth]

I'm looking at the wiki lmao

[severe shard]

its just really annoying when youre in an area without much cover

[cobalt iron]

Oh

[cobalt iron]

Most area have covers though

[lavish jacinth]

you can always run for cover before fighting them
they won't use the laser if they're above 95%hp

[severe shard]

im thankful for teleporter spikes existing though

[cobalt iron]

Guys whos the most annoying enemies thats not the guys that use iten

[severe shard]

good way to dodge vagrant explosion / stone titan laser if you dont have any other option

[severe shard]

void infestor

[lavish jacinth]

wisp chimeras

[severe shard]

oh true

[cobalt iron]

Whoo?

[severe shard]

fuck those things. theyre just flying templars

[lavish jacinth]

legit one of the only enemies I still fear after 1k hours lol

[severe shard]

flying enemies on commencement

[cobalt iron]

Oh lunar chimera?

[cobalt iron]

I thought thats the name

Yeah that one is risk of pain

[severe shard]

it is

[lavish jacinth]

they're all called lunar chimeras, there are just different types

[severe shard]

^^

[lavish jacinth]

wisp, golem, and uh... ball

[cobalt iron]

Literally like one shot u be4 u knowand can tp out of no where

[severe shard]

i call them wisp golem and annoying

wtf did i just do

[cobalt iron]

If its perfected it aint dying

[severe shard]

my discord is small

[cobalt iron]

I feel like the wisp is harder than mithrix ngl

[severe shard]

oh my phone boutta die

[lavish jacinth]

mobile discord being functional as ever

[cobalt iron]

Bruh

Mine also small duh

[severe shard]

it just randomly got small

[cobalt iron]

Oh

[severe shard]

restarting worked

rip chat

[cedar pine]

Just unlocked false son how do i play him properly?

[severe shard]

max health

[lavish jacinth]

weaken enemies with m2, spam the charged club attack, use laser to delete enemies as needed

most items will work on him, even bison steak is worth keeping because his passive gives him bonuses based on how much extra max health he has

[cedar pine]

So wouldnt stone flux go extremely hard

I never grab lunars but im curious about this one

[slow cloak]

Hey question I saw a character that says you need to connect some kinda. Void cell to unlock? I’m having a super good void fiend run that I’m just kinda taking as far as I can go. Can I unlock him if I go to the void portal thingy

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's one of the few cases where stone flux is pretty decent. You do need to manage your secondary though, he gets a move speed bonus for every used spike

[lavish jacinth]

for that you have to go to the null portal in the bazaar, it'll take you to void fields

[cedar pine]

So should i just throw out spikes when looting?

[slow cloak]

The one in the blue portal…? How do you do that.

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[slow cloak]

Also does it end the run?

[lavish jacinth]

just jump down from the platform you start on, there's a cave in the wall down below with a black portal in it

[lavish jacinth]

and no (unless you die)

[cedar pine]

Void fields doesnt but the purple portal that you can get a few ways does

[slow cloak]

Cool got it so go to bazar and try and find secret cave

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's pretty easy to find, just walk backwards from where you spawn

just a warning though, void fields can be pretty luck-dependent.
Void fiend happens to be good at doing it but sometimes the game can just decide to screw you over

you can leave at any time since there's always a null portal on the map that goes back to normal stages, but you only get 1 attempt at it per run

[cedar pine]

Also what debuffs do the spikes give to enemies? I read it somewhere but i kinda just forgot

[cobalt iron]

Spikes?

[lavish jacinth]

lunar ruin, it makes them take 10% more damage from all sources and reduces healing they receive

...It might also slow them down? The recent patch notes made it sound like that was removed but it was really unclear lol

[cedar pine]

Sounds really good

They stack right

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[cedar pine]

Peak

[lavish jacinth]

false son is kinda broken lol

[cedar pine]

If the laser is anything like the boss's one surely

That thing atomized me first try in even on drizzle trying to unlock the character

[severe shard]

stone flux is such an item

its theoretically pretty good on loader with some mags but you quickly realize how excruciating it is to not have normal movement

[cedar pine]

Main reason i dont play acrid

He felt so sluggish when i tried him i couldnt do it

[lavish jacinth]

he's actually not any slower than the other survivors, he's just bigger

[severe shard]

i did the exact same thing

[lavish jacinth]

same with mul-t

[severe shard]

doesnt he also have acceleration

thingy

along with mult

[lavish jacinth]

mul-t's acceleration is lower, I don't think acrid's is tho

[cedar pine]

Must be the animation or smth

Didnt like how he felt

[lavish jacinth]

yeah he definitely feels slower, but it's just placebo

[severe shard]

i played him for like 30 seconds

and then put him down bc he felt slow

but ive played him a little recently and its fine

[cedar pine]

Same 😭

[severe shard]

he has alright mobility but i dont like how his jump works

[lavish jacinth]

you get used to it

the leap does scale insanely well with move speed

a couple energy drinks will have you flying across the map

[severe shard]

it should be influenced by you looking up and down more

like looking straight down and using it still sends you slightly up

just feels limiting

[slow cloak]

Question is there any characters I should be aiming to unlock rn? I basically have the most silly god run ever and am almost entirely unkillable

I mean for gods sake I managed to beat the stupid null portal challenge when most of my build revolves around mobility, and void shrimp.

…I may have died once but hey I have like 3 (now 2) dio’s friend

Or should I just chuck myself into the funny lightning man eyes altar

[vale hollow]

You could get acrid by beating void fields. Get aurelionite and beat false son to unlock him.

[lavish jacinth]

if you've already got void fiend unlocked then that's arguably the hardest one out of the way, and it sounds like you just got acrid.
The only other hard one is Rex, but you can't do that without getting the fuel array at the drop pod at the start of the run, so that's out

[slow cloak]

Wait so the void fields DO have a use!

Oh wait nvm that’s null portal

How do I find the false son though

[lavish jacinth]

do you have seekers of the storm?

[slow cloak]

No

[vale hollow]

Oh lol, then you need to buy that to get him

[slow cloak]

I was told it was a mid dlc when I bought the game on Black Friday so I just didn’t get it.

[vale hollow]

My bad

[lavish jacinth]

well, it was pretty mid on black friday

[slow cloak]

Did they make it not mid now?

[lavish jacinth]

just today it got an update that improved a ton of stuff

[vale hollow]

They just updated the items and when they update the survivors I think it'll be great

[slow cloak]

If so yikers

[vale hollow]

It WAS bad, now I think it's mid, but after the next 2 updates I think it'll be great

[slow cloak]

We’ll besides the null portal do I have anything else to do minus throw myself into the perish altars

[lavish jacinth]

what other survivors do you have?

[slow cloak]

Uh everything up to engineer

I also have the commander.

[vale hollow]

What difficulty are you on?

[slow cloak]

Like in that line of bandit and whatever

[lavish jacinth]

Loader?

[slow cloak]

Normal bc I didn’t think I’d become god this run

[steady swallow]

is chef's special better or alternate special better

[slow cloak]

Is that the- oh I don’t have any artifacts I can prolly go for some of those. Anyways is that the shopping cart man

[lavish jacinth]

both are kinda eh, but chef in general is kinda eh
I've heard the alt special is a little better but I haven't used it much

[vale hollow]

Default but he's probably the weakest survivor right now

[steady swallow]

ah ok

[lavish jacinth]

Loader's the one you get from beating the secret boss on Siren's call

[slow cloak]

I have no idea what either of those are

So I probably lack it

[vale hollow]

Getting artifacts makes it easier if you want to unlock stuff in other runs

[lavish jacinth]

Siren's call is the stage 4 map with the vultures

[slow cloak]

Oh got it so I’d need to do another loop. Yeah I can do that

[vale hollow]

If you don't have loader I would go for that. Break blue eggs on sirens call then kill the boss that spawns

[slow cloak]

I’ll go fetch artifacts anyways

idk how though so

[lavish jacinth]

just pray that you don't get the bulwark's ambry softlock

[slow cloak]

After I loop to do that, uh, how do I go fetch me some artifacts

[slow cloak]

Tbf my only other option is kill mithrix or funny blue altar so I might as well get Smthn else accomplished

I feel like throwing such a good run into the funny blue altar would be a waste

I have like 14 of the corrupted ukele’s

lmao

[lavish jacinth]

on sky meadow, go to this big machine on the platform under the map.
You have to put a code into that little grid 3x3 grid thing to activate it, there are different codes for each artifact hidden throughout the game

[slow cloak]

Oh I’m on that stage now!

[lavish jacinth]

or if you don't feel like searching for the codes you can just use the wiki, it also has a hint guide if you want to do it semi-legit ||https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifacts||

[slow cloak]

Should I go bully the vulture first

[slow cloak]

I don’t really feel like it bc I get lost super easy so I’ll just search the codes

😵‍💫 I spend 10+ minutes finding a portal without the particle buff thing

I don’t think I’d fine the codes in a million years

[lavish jacinth]

up to you, I don't know how common that softlock bug is so it might be a gamble. But unlocking artifacts and fighting that secret boss are both relatively easy

[slow cloak]

Fair. Ehhh I’ll just do the artifacts first and see how common it is

[severe shard]

once you find a couple the others arent too bad

except for a few that are in weird spots

one isnt even in the actual game

[lavish jacinth]

that was fixed

[severe shard]

im taalking about the one in the ||environment log||

in the game in one way but not another

[lavish jacinth]

oh

[severe shard]

idk about whatever ur talking about here

my a key has betrayed me

[lavish jacinth]

the ones added with the devotion update, originally they were only available on social media and in the update trailer

but not in the game itself

[severe shard]

idk which those are lol

started playing after sots

[lavish jacinth]

oh lol

[severe shard]

hm

just launched the gme and haad no audio

went to audio tab in settings and froze

ggwp

[lavish jacinth]

well then

[severe shard]

relaunched and epic repeating audio bug lol

i love getting my ears blasted

[cedar pine]

gonna give acrid a second chance eventually how do i play him properly?

[full apex]

leap is crazy good mobility, use it a lot to fly around stages. you can use it to stun twice while fighting or leap in and save a second to get out. epidemic is amazing, it will help a ton on flying enemies.

Bite is a lot more dps, but esp if its your first few times and might not even have it unlocked, spit is still quite nice. it will also help you deal with flying enemies which is nice when picking him up.

you can cancel his m1 animation by tapping sprint, so while fighting its optimal to cancel each step of the combo right after it deals damage, you can get a rhythm down. if you dont want to bother, you can just do it after the third swing since thats by far the longest endlag

on flying enemies the m1 cancel lets you stay in the hit frames from melee attacks, which can air stall you. so it makes keeping up dps on flying bosses like vagrant easier

if you cancel too early, the hit wont deal damage.. but it means you can choose to insta cancel the first two swings so they wont hit, and go straight to the third, since the third has regen on it. if you just have a beetle lying around and want to heal 5% max hp, but he will die to the first or second swing, you can do that to guarantee some healing

if you have poison which you should if you just picked him up, then on kill items can be very helpful and very funny. like gasoline can cause some beeg chain reactions from the enemies stuck at 1hp

acrid is my favorite character so if you have any questions or smth in particular i might be able to answer

oh also i dont rember if it tells you but leap makes you immune to fall damage while its active so abuse that. and if you fall off a stage just leap and you wont get hurt when you tele back

[normal cobalt]

whats the new locked green item?

[quasi crystal]

Knockback fin it was upgraded to green

[normal cobalt]

I have that one. but I have a locked green item trying to figure out what it is lol

[quasi crystal]

Post your logbook

[brave orbit]

What are the chances for sacrifice? Like, with swarms, what is the chance of an enemy dropping a red item? It’s a 5% chance to drop an item per enemy. Do these drops have small chest stats, so a 1% chance for a red, or does it vary?

[glacial knoll]

70w/30g/10eq/1 red

[normal cobalt]

sent it to you on through dm. Not about to post it here

[glacial knoll]

better than a small chest for greens but worse for reds due to the equipment

[normal cobalt]

nvm now I can lol

[glacial knoll]

this one

[normal cobalt]

thank you!

[quasi crystal]

Fuck I was trying to remember

Glad we found out

[normal cobalt]

Thank you guys for the help!

[bold reef]

OK only e1 but still was frustrating

[oblique cape]

Is massacre the better primary on artificer?

[lavish jacinth]

Plasma bolt?
It's mostly a sidegrade, but fire bolt is a little better on average just because ignition tank exists

[oblique cape]

Awesome I don't wanna go about unlocking it lmao

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's not that hard to unlock

you don't have to kill 20 enemies all at once, just don't have more than 1 second between kills. or do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5VW7ssKFkw

[oblique cape]

Yeahh I did the other ones i just don't feel like doing more Artifact stuff, I'll definitely get it at some point though

[lime burrow]

Where do you find the code for the artifact of command? Please don’t tell me the code, as I want to find it myself.

[lavish jacinth]

it's in ||the bazaar||
or you can use the wiki hint guide if you prefer https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifact_Hints

[lime burrow]

Thank you! I really appreciate the help.

[lapis basin]

Is the dlc better now or still terrible

[lavish jacinth]

Not perfect but definitely better

They fixed the items and elites but not survivors or the new boss yet

[tiny maple]

if i oblibrate in eclispe, will it unlock the next level?

[lavish jacinth]

You can't obliterate in eclipse

[lapis basin]

What's wrong with the new Boss
Also wait. Is there only one new Boss?

[lavish jacinth]

Mithrix is the only option

[slim spoke]

yup

[lapis basin]

Oh yikes

[lavish jacinth]

A new final boss, yeah. They're just kinda bullshit atm lol

[tiny maple]

oh, thank you

[lavish jacinth]

Pre-loop they deal way too much damage and are just generally really unfair to fight, but they don't have adaptive armor so they're kind of a pushover on loops

[quasi crystal]

I've had pushover mithrix prelpop but that's god run

[boreal plinth]

What are the different coloured orbs for?

Like what do they do?

[quasi crystal]

Post a picture

[boreal plinth]

I don’t have I saw it in a item tier list

But I never seen it in game before

[quasi crystal]

Post the tier list

[boreal plinth]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2964000208

[quasi crystal]

This tier list is pretty bait

But I'm assuming you mean the elite aspects

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Ifrit's_Distinction

[quasi crystal]

Like atrocious

[surreal socket]

Goofbox back at it again i cant pick up a crowbar for some reason weird bug

nvm i cant pick any items up

Whyyyyy

[cursive compass]

mods?

probably mods

[surreal socket]

I have looking glass and some skins looking glass isnt actually working right now so maybe

[slim spoke]

yea thats the new item dupe glitch (prob)

[main karma]

hey guys how do i deal with the flying drone mob on the moon? been struggling against it as captain the dmg is quite high and the slows really get to me

not sure if there's a particular way to deal with that mob

[peak jacinth]

the best way I’ve heard from a captain player here is to make heavy use of cover like the walls on the bridge or the pillars and roofs across the island while peeking out to deal damage

[cursive compass]

Use cover, and fear them

When you first get to the moon you can wait for the prespawns to reach you and take them out safely by the ship

Other than that its just making sure you are away from them and behid cover while they fire

[cedar pine]

Is it always worth it going for m1s or are there some bosses i wanna stay away from

Also thanks for the extensive tips

[steady stone]

Most bosses it's pretty safe on especially with life steal, which can make you gain health overall

Some exceptions I might stay away from would be and vagrants with no nearby cover

But especially with animation cancels, the healing often outdoes what the boss can deal

(assuming I skimmed correctly and this is about Acrid melee)

[full apex]

yea acrid m1

a lot of times its beneficial, his m1 has quite good dps and its even better with the cancel. For dunestriders just be wary of their attacks but otherwise they should be alright, make sure to get out of range before the succ tho. as long as you arent in when it starts you should be able to go in range. also if you get grabbed but get far enough away to break free, you can go back in safely

vagrants you can try to outdps but if it looks like you cant pull it off, then yea find cover. you can always use 2 leaps to get in, get some hits, and get out, then use epidemic and spit while near cover until leaps back up

beware imp overlords big slam thingy that can hurt a lot

[cedar pine]

What do i do in that situation

Wait for poison to tick them down?

[full apex]

its too slow

you still want to dps them, just be careful and give yourself enough time to avoid big novas. basically if their hp is getting low and you dont think you can kill before the nova attacks, then use leap to go for cover

before that its just learning the boss patterns normally. if you are extremely overwhelmed you can mostly kite and let poison work, but it would take like 2 minutes by itself.

which is a very long time to be having other stuff spawn, making kiting harder

[boreal plinth]

Looking glass is broken

It needs an update

[boreal plinth]

Oh alrrr

[left trellis]

it already got fixed

[boreal plinth]

Oh I can play modded again then

[brazen sluice]

god antler feels so good now. its literally better than red whip

though i feel like its effect should be on lantern purely because it would make more sense for the lantern to be spawning those flames like that

probably the only thing i would change about this update. just swap the effects on those two items. wouldnt affect gameplay at all cuz both effects would be ingame with the same item rarety

[pale jacinth]

how many bulwark's ambry variants are there?

with both dlc*

[lavish jacinth]

4 total, 1 in base game and 3 from SotS. SotV doesn't add any

[pale jacinth]

and is viscous falls only post loop?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[pale jacinth]

alright logbook grind time, thank you :)

[worldly olive]

Lost seers above lens makers

Certainly a tier list of all time

[pale jacinth]

trophy hunters tricorn not work for artificer's achievement where you have to kill it within 1 second?

[daring cloak]

It does but you have to hit the boss first for the timer to start

[pale jacinth]

i was thinking that but didnt want to waste time if it didnt work lmao

thank you

[daring cloak]

All tricorn does is set its hp to 0 so tricorn doesnt count as YOUR damage meaning if you didnt deal damage to the boss prior the kill goes to nothing

[lavish jacinth]

it does count as your damage, but the achievement works by starting a 1 second timer as soon as damage is dealt

tricorn doesn't technically deal damage so it doesn't start the timer

[quasi crystal]

You could do kin and use a fuel array

[astral kite]

Hey so I loaded up my risk of rain the other day and I had every single thing in the game unlocked for some reason. I didn't load any mods or anything

does anyone know what could have caused this

[lavish jacinth]

it was UNlocked?

uhhh there have been some bugs that cause things to randomly become re-locked, but I don't know about unlocking everything without using mods or save editing or whatever.

if you wanna fix it you can use the RealerCheatUnlocks mod to lock stuff that you didn't have before, just right click on a thing to lock or unlock it

[astral kite]

yeah it was, i'm honestly clueless on why it happened

and a little frustrated..

but als thank you for the advice

[lavish jacinth]

yeah that's strange, but at least it's a relatively easy thing to fix with mods

[vale gulch]

For the achievement The Demon and the crabs do I have to chase all 20 hermits of the cliff in 1 match?
And do I need to have dealt damage before I chase them of?

[lavish jacinth]

no and no

you don't even need to be the one to do it, if one falls off in multiplayer it'll count for everyone

[vale gulch]

Ohh alright thx

This is prob the most annoying achievement

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, at least it's not actually that hard

[vale gulch]

Is using kin or swarm good to help with the achievement?

[lavish jacinth]

no for kin, it's a huge gamble that crabs will be the chosen enemy.
Swarms does help though, you just have to be more careful not to kill them accidentally

[vale gulch]

Can't I use Primordial Cube so I can stay away and prevent them from dying?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

just avoid stuff like that can deal damage automatically

[vale gulch]

Yeah I noticed because of my last run 😭

[lavish jacinth]

railgunner's mines and rex's boop (the non-damaging one) also help

[vale gulch]

Ohhh thx for the reccomendation

[little locust]

Hey folks. Wanting to see if others are seeing what I've been seeing/if things have already been reported before reporting thing that might've been noted to death in the bug report channel.

1. Has an issue been report where A Moment, Whole doesn't fade to black? If so, is there a fix known? I've had it happen the last two times I've been there.
2. Are people struggling to get the Seekers of the Storm radio scanners? I got Shattered Abodes and Reformed Altar, but the rest haven't shown up after many hours and hundreds of blue coins hunting for them. I have never had anywhere near this much difficulty getting them to spawn on other maps. I am running command and sacrifice artifacts, in case anyone was going to ask.

Edit: On Steam, if that matters.

[fleet grotto]

DOES ARTISISER WHERE A METAL SUIT?

[quasi crystal]

1. Yes, no fix afaik
2. I know the loop version of abode is bugged and won't spawn if you have Titanic plains log

[lavish jacinth]

no her body is just shaped like that

[fleet grotto]

Okay, just making sure, was doing akinator

[steady swallow]

is there a new item tier list now that a lot of items are buffed?

[lavish jacinth]

not really, the update has only been out for a day.
Not that item tier lists really have much value anyway

[little locust]

1. Good to know. Appreciate it!
2. Wait, really? That's so weirdly specific. Wonder if there's something like this on the others. VF, TC, GD, and HH have all also been nowhere to be seen. Someone one reddit and I were discussing some of these. They were telling me they were struggling to get it to spawn on some of the maps after even cheating to remove any other thing that could spawn on the map (shrines, moneypots, robots, and whatnot). Wonder if it's worth bug reporting or if these are known to them.

[dusky raven]

treeborn colony actually has the opposite bug where the radio scanner will show up even if you already have the log

[main karma]

hi all, i have the base game now. If i want to play seekers of the storm do i need to buy the void dlc as well?

[lavish jacinth]

no, you can play them separately

[loud spruce]

pretty much all the new items are at least A tier lol

[quasi crystal]

I'd say beads and luminous are still high B

I'm pretty sure his spiteful boon is still ass and aurelonites blessing is probably bad now too

[tiny maple]

how long does it take to get max level in 1 run?

[peak jacinth]

Item tier lists are so stupid

[past dome]

Um.... if Aurelionite gets killed by void monsters, can I go back to Gold coast to get him again? PleasesayyesIworkedonthisrunsolongIwassoclosetoending omg I panicked - seed returned to inventory. Sorry for panic lol

[full apex]

without longstanding solitude, prohibitively long. maybe even practically impossible, its exponential so it gets really huge cost per level really fast. its why you can hit lvl 10 at like stage 2 or 3, but tend to end runs at 5 <30 and often <25

[tiny maple]

cuz i had looped for 20 stages and i've just reached 40 at all

[full apex]

each level takes 1.55x more exp than the last

just threw this together but going from lvl 40-41 would take somewhere around 41mil times more than lvl 1 to 2

the director might break before getting to something like lvl 90 is even possible haha

[leaden field]

Get the mod DLC spawn pool fixer, it fixes the logbook issue

Since you’re on pc

Hopefully will be fixed soon

[brisk sigil]

Has Chef received his buffs yet?

[lavish jacinth]

no, that's the next patch. This one was just reworking the items and elites

er no, next patch is false son boss, then survivors

[brisk sigil]

understood. thank you!

[quasi crystal]

If chaos is active can void enemies suffocate in fog

[leaden field]

The next next patch

Next patch is final boss and enemy adjustments

Then phase 3 is characters

[lavish jacinth]

bruh

[leaden field]

I honestly can’t read

It’s late, my bad LMAO

[lavish jacinth]

lol

[leaden field]

I guess if we wanna get hyper specific I think we’re likely to get a bug fix/small balance patch for this phase 1 first

To fix a few of the notable bugs that arose from this patch as well as fixing balance for things like war bonds

[gusty mulch]

Yo anyone know a save states mod that doesnt max out ur cpu and memory?

Game turns into a slideshow when I'm 15 min in

I think it's the mod at least idk

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-modding would be the place to ask, propersave is the only one I know off the top of my head and it's not exactly a savestate

[leaden field]

Proper save is the only save mod and it does nothing to performance so you’ve got some other mod that’s doing that

[lavish jacinth]

I know the minimap mod tanks performance a lot

[quasi crystal]

Is there a compass mod

[solar surge]

hi

[quasi crystal]

Hi

[surreal socket]

Arti or Merc?

[royal stag]

i assume u just got arti

their default R (flamethrower) isnt that great

if u can get her alternate R, it feels way better imo

[severe shard]

arti probably a bit easier to play

but every survivor is good except chef

[little locust]

I'll have to do that then. Someone on Reddit mentioned that, and I'd just been a bit lazy in actually getting around to it.

[main karma]

can engineer stationary turrets crit?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[wintry fjord]

Yes

[main karma]

awesome

so i guess aiming for deathmark build is fine?

[daring cloak]

Everything can crit except for a few things

[daring cloak]

Ye if you can rack up the debuffs

[gusty mulch]

Mbmb

[floral grail]

Does anybody know how i died here?

[daring cloak]

You got hit by 2 shots of the 3 laser volley

[floral grail]

Ohh thanks i see it now

[plain nymph]

can i change railgunner reload from lmb to r

without changing primary bind

[neon abyss]

me and my friend are still having multiplayer eclipse problems :( i am so sad

[daring cloak]

What kind of problems

[neon abyss]

stuck at E1, despite having chars with E2 and more

[daring cloak]

Both of you having survivors at e2 and higher?

[neon abyss]

mhm

yet still resets back at e1

could be a mod remnant but how to delete that mod remnant idfk, all mods been disabled, game files verified. we could reinstall the game, see if that helps.

don't want to start a new file because getting all the item unlocks again and doing the loader - engi e8 climb again sucks.

nope, not even reinstalling the game fixed it.

there's some mod remnant in the save file itself that fucks with multiplayer eclipse

how do we cleanse our save files from mods

[surreal socket]

Ive played both i do have around 600 hours in i just have a meat head who seems to think merc is better in everyway and wanted to hear what other people thought of arti

Arti my beloved ♥

[royal stag]

i dont blame u

merc is really fun!

[severe shard]

merc is a very common favorite because

[mossy thorn]

what does shrine of soul do

[severe shard]

katana

[severe shard]

-30% health but second life for the rest of the stage

if you die and revive the max health debuff goes away

theres never really a situation in which you shouldnt hit it

or wait

yeah

[mossy thorn]

ohhh

[full apex]

In multiplayer it's probably optimal to not hit it right away and wait instead. Even if it's small, it does increase the odds you'll die compared to not being active, and that would waste it. If someone dies, the other player can then activate the shrine to revive them.

Also because it's curse it's much closer to like -23% health or something, so it's not a big deal either way.

[daring cloak]

Very random question but how exactly do artifact keys disappear? I did find a way to smuggle one past the reliquary death but it vanished from my inventory when entering the next stage

And I wanna see if I can take an artifact key all the way to the shrine of rebirth and store it

[severe shard]

yeah

its usually not a big enough deal though

[full apex]

I dont think ive ever gotten one through a wave after they patched them ages ago, same for out of the stage... But i have tried and do know that the shrine won't let you insert them they are banned from rebirth.

[daring cloak]

Oh what the fu

They went out of their way to make absolutely sure I can do the silly

[dull portal]

how do i fix startup failure failed to start steamworks integration

[daring cloak]

I once had the thought that maybe keys that were still in the orb form before landing on ground would pass through the deletion and I was correct

[dull portal]

how do i fix startup failure failed to start steamworks integration

[daring cloak]

So I just used the interact button to precisely time the last activation with a key dropping

[daring cloak]

Inspect*

[maiden furnace]

Is that exactly what it says?

[dull portal]

yah look dm i can send u pic

[maiden furnace]

kk

We’ll get to the bottom of this

[full apex]

Ok that's actually cool

[daring cloak]

Ye Im messing around with it a bit currently

Since you can still do things like change equipment while the inspect pause is active

[severe shard]

thats dumb

it would be cool tech if you could and it doesnt really matter

[full apex]

Also this sounds bug-esque so #ror2-tech-support might be able to help too?

[full apex]

Lots of things are banned. Including like caps microbots

[severe shard]

yeah but that makes sense since you jus thave to play captain

[full apex]

Anything world unique, so i dont rember but I assume halcyon seed would be banned

[daring cloak]

Its not

[severe shard]

^

[full apex]

You can put in seed?? Lol

Rebirth is weird

[severe shard]

wiki only lists microbots and scrap

[full apex]

Probably because artifact keys shouldn't be possible to smuggle over

[severe shard]

yea

and wiki isnt 100% accurate always

[daring cloak]

Also thats really odd since all lunars and voids are also blacklisted

[full apex]

Does it list the rarities as banned as well? Which page?

Yea it says item can be any common/uncommon/boss/legendary

So lunar and void are expelled by definition preemptively

[dull portal]

how do i fix startup failure failed to start steamworks integration

[daring cloak]

I checked my profile statistics earlier today and noticed a really weird entry
For most kills my 3rd place is ??? with 22.147 kills but not one point of damage dealt against

I already checked environmental objects like the meadows rocks and none of them changed that kill count

Any idea what that thing could be?

[severe shard]

yea

i meant specific items

[severe shard]

ive seen that but yeah idkcwhat it is

the only answer ive ever seen is the jellyfish but thats wrong

[full apex]

The stats page is fucked haha

Its kinda always been fucked which is funny

[daring cloak]

I mean yeah after the ??? place 4 and 5 are both taken by regular beetles for me lmao but its still so confusing

No damage but somehow 22k kills

[full apex]

Is it fmp

That would be so fucking funny

[spring spoke]

what does each drone do exactly?

[full apex]

Uhhh most of the combat ones are self explanatory, like gunner shoots gun and missile shoots missile.

Healing drones heal every now and then, emergency drones heal a lot but only at low hp, and equipment drones will use whatever equipment you give them as long as they are in combat with a very hefty cooldown reduction

[spring spoke]

so what does the flamethrower drone do? i expect it to burn things, but all it does is just kills itself

[full apex]

I dont remember all of them exactly but i think those are the big ones?
And gunner turrets shoot a somewhat powerful machine gun but cannot ever move. When you change stage they spawn in a random spot and stay there.

Flame drone should just shoot a flame attack i think?

[daring cloak]

It does burn stuff but it has to get somewhat close

In fact they quite literally use artificer's flamethrower

[spring spoke]

🤦‍♂️

[full apex]

Status OnFire Burn
 targets. This attack is similar to 
Artificer Artificer's
 
Flamethrower Flamethrower
, but it has shorter range (12m versus 21m) and longer cooldown (10 seconds versus 5 seconds). However, the cooldown starts instantly, unlike the Artificer's skill which starts after the skill has finished. This makes it an effective cooldown of 6.4 seconds.```

[spring spoke]

love paying 1.3x the price of a normal drone, just for it to throw itself into every attack hitbox known to man

making its repair price 1.7x its normal price

[daring cloak]

Ok what the hell

[full apex]

The link for flamethrowers embed got fucked in that copy paste lmao

It looks like its worse than artis by a good bit but makes sense because drone. Arti flamethrower is extremely powerful

[daring cloak]

New personal crash record
Loading into stage 3 in singleplayer

Yippe 🙃

[spring spoke]

unity ending*

[dull portal]

how do i fix startup failure failed to start steamworks integration

[daring cloak]

Well at least I can now confidently say that the switch's issue with crashes has not been fixed

[full apex]

If #ror2-tech-support or maybe one of the bug report channels don't know then I'm not sure, most of the people active in here probably mostly know game related stuffs primarily

[daring cloak]

I just checked, it is fmp

Thats actually hilarious

[full apex]

Classic

[dull portal]

yah probably

[severe shard]

OHHHH

yeah

[daring cloak]

Ok in the attempt to bug out the shrine of rebirth in some way I did find out that if you pause while in the item selection menu, the menus overlap (only pause menu displayed) and you can use the shrine and put in an item while in the pause menu

I havent found any use for it but it seems interesting to mess around with

[full apex]

Yea its definitely cheese but the smuggle is the easiest way to get shenanigans in there

I wonder if it was patched

[slow cloak]

Is there some secret way to instantly get power plant or something that isn’t trying to actually play the game with it because I am 99.9% sure it’s actually just impossible.

Also god I wish I got it during my god run because getting void fiend and acrid combined were like 200x easier than this.

[lavish jacinth]

It's definitely not impossible

Loader's a good character for it, she's fast and tanky

[slow cloak]

It is when you can just die to RNG at any point because you basically have to no hit later stages.

A jellyfish spawn behind you?

Shoulda just not had that happen then!

And it’s RNG if you even get the stupid abyss

[lavish jacinth]

I mean... just be aware of what's around you, they do make a noise when they spawn

[slow cloak]

Ah yes sorry I didn’t notice the small quiet noise they make when spawning when I’m fighting like 15 swarms

[lavish jacinth]

You can go to the bazaar from stage 3 and use lunar seers to help get it, if you've got coins to spare

[slow cloak]

I shoulda just heard the insanely quiet noise of a jellyfish spawning! Yes because I too can pick up on those small sounds

[lavish jacinth]

Alright, clearly you're too angry to listen to advice again

[slow cloak]

In the middle of a giant fight

[lavish jacinth]

I was gonna say that if you've got a friend you can cheese it with mul-t using retool, the array won't explode as long as it's in your off-hand

[slow cloak]

Last time you didn’t prove that railgunner isn’t just a useless character. Even more so after I realized it couldn’t even naturally crit Jesus Christ if chef is the worst than it must do actually .1 damage because that’s the only way it can be worse than railgunner

[slow cloak]

Why does that need multiplayer

[lavish jacinth]

Because mul-t doesn't spawn with a drop pod

[slow cloak]

Oh because Mul-T doesn’t get drop pod.

[lavish jacinth]

But you can take it from someone else's

[slow cloak]

Well sucks that you need multi to get that thing.

[lavish jacinth]

She is literally one of the strongest characters in the game, you just refused to listen to me on how to utilize jer properly

[lavish jacinth]

You don't need him, you can do it with anyone and a bit of skill

[slow cloak]

Everything you said I tried during the situation and it did absolutely nothing.

[lavish jacinth]

Well except acrid and viend since they also don't get pods but you know what I mean

[lavish jacinth]

It doesn't sound like you did,

[trim spindle]

Just don’t fall beneath 50%
Like that’s it
Get to abyssal with Bazzar

Skill based gameplay

[lavish jacinth]

Considering I sent a video of me doing it that proves it can be done lol

And the fact that for some reason you refuse to sprint

[slow cloak]

Your video was only based off the few enemies I could remember

[daring cloak]

You can also just switch out the fuel array for another equipment until you beat the stage and then switch back to the array once the stage is done

[slow cloak]

The characters that can access it are too awful to not do that. Unless outrider or the two storm characters I can’t use have pods and aren’t total ass.

[trim spindle]

Get. Good.

[lavish jacinth]

Seriously dude, I'm trying to help you but it's incredibly frustrating because you respond to all of my advice with "nuh uh, that wouldn't work for ME"

[trim spindle]

Anyone can do it you’re limited by your skill

[daring cloak]

Honestly

[trim spindle]

Literally just play good enough

[past locust]

yo guys any advices on how to increase radio-scanner spawn rate?(Except for artifacts of Command and Sacrifice)

[lavish jacinth]

Like yeah, I hate to just say "skill issur" but sometimes that's what it is

[slow cloak]

It’s entirely RNG based on if you get bad Jellyfish luck, because jellyfish apparently bypass armor and always do half hp

[daring cloak]

If you cant keep yourself above 50% hp until stage 4 in at least one run maybe rex isnt for you

[trim spindle]

Me when I lie

[lavish jacinth]

Being in multiplayer helps, more players means more stuff spawns

[daring cloak]

That is literally not true what

Also jellyfish are loud

[slow cloak]

Which I learned the fun way of having one drag me to half when I had like 8 DR items

[trim spindle]

If you literally just look around

[daring cloak]

Its impossible to miss them when they spawn

[trim spindle]

They’re slow, loud and easily predictable

[daring cloak]

Then get mobility items so you can move out of the way

[slow cloak]

And everything else in the stage, including bosses, barely did more than like 8 damage to me

[slow cloak]

Impossible to do if they go behind you. Hence, jellyfish RNG

[daring cloak]

LITERALLY HOW IS IT IMPOSSIBLE

just listen

If you hear the jellyfish spawn noise and dont see them THEN TURN AROUND TO SEE IF THEYRE BEHIND YOU

[slow cloak]

Bc you lack the time to react unless the jellyfish is deadass the only thing that spawned at all

[lavish jacinth]

They don't use their sprint button because it makes them stop shooting, we had this argument the other day

[slow cloak]

The incredibly quiet noise, at least compared to an active fire fight.

[trim spindle]

The slowest enemy in the game who just floats to you

[daring cloak]

It is unmissable

[trim spindle]

Unmissable you’re just bad

[daring cloak]

Its so distinct too

[slow cloak]

Actually I’ve been trying that as of late (I was still right and it still hasn’t helped). Been using a character that can sprint too, commando. Even used the wisp while sprinting item twice

[trim spindle]

Skill issue

[slow cloak]

Only if it’s the deadass only thing that spawned and there’s noting else going on

[trim spindle]

They’re large, slow, make a noise when spawning, have 1 attack

[daring cloak]

And if things are going on you want to turn around anyways

[trim spindle]

Do you not play with a mouse or what

[lavish jacinth]

If it hasn't helped then you're doing something wrong

[slow cloak]

And it’s a one shot only because of fuel array. Normally just going to half up is fine

[trim spindle]

Do you not
Look around?
They don’t do 50% hp

Not even

[slow cloak]

They have every time I’ve got hit by one no matter how much DR I have

[trim spindle]

Me when I lie

[slow cloak]

I just presume it’s like golem* laser where it’s

[trim spindle]

Me when I lie

[slow cloak]

Golem*

[daring cloak]

What golden laser?

[slow cloak]

Typo I meant golem

[trim spindle]

Play command sac swarms and just win
Opals, rose, speed,

[daring cloak]

Why do you want to unlock rex anyways?

[slow cloak]

except its 50% true damage unlike golems. What was it 33%?

[slow cloak]

I have two characters left to unlock minus the storm ones

[daring cloak]

If youre having so much trouble unlocking rex, playing rex is gonna feel even worse

[slow cloak]

That stupid one and outrider.

[trim spindle]

Nothing does percent damage with an attack

[lavish jacinth]

Nothing that's an enemy, anyway

[slow cloak]

Why do golems always do exactly a third of my hp then regardless of how much DR I have.

[trim spindle]

They don’t

I’ve played this game enough to know that

[daring cloak]

Because enemies get stronger as time progresses

[slow cloak]

They do and i will not be gaslit I have borderline tested this mid run when I wanna try and see how much damage I take. Or did when I used to believe golems could reliably do that

[trim spindle]

Nothing does % damage

[daring cloak]

You are gaslighting yourself

[trim spindle]

You’re gaslighting yourself bud

[slow cloak]

It never matters level or progress or stage of game it’s 33% or more.

[trim spindle]

Me when I lie

[slow cloak]

God the misinformation here

[trim spindle]

You’re the one misinforming

[lavish jacinth]

This is why it's so frustrating to help you, dude. You're literally just making shit up to give yourself an excuse

[daring cloak]

Youre denying everything we say

[slow cloak]

Well at least I learned that the place that sells items that are, sofar from what I’ve seen besides the one item, pretty bad, has a use.

Didn’t know that as I rarely go there

[daring cloak]

Also again

Are you even trying to avoid damage?

Because to me it sounds like you purely rely on tanking it

And blaming the game when that doesnt work

[slow cloak]

No I do try and avoid damage. It’s just I have the worst RNG and have jellyfish spawn behind me 24/7 when I’m trying to kill something else so obviously I don’t hear the fucking tiny ass jellyfish noise when I’m fighting a bunch of other stuff and shooting fast

[daring cloak]

Still

[slow cloak]

Consistently

[daring cloak]

Even when fighting you want to be moving 99% of the time

[peak jacinth]

ts so funny to read

[daring cloak]

Jellyfish cant hit you if you simply move away

[slow cloak]

And if it’s not that then I get unlucky at the start before the run goes off where like two waves of enemies are both golems, I’m commando because the other pod characters are actual dogshit (that I can use) and there’s no walls within a 5 mile radius

[daring cloak]

Dodging golem lasers is one of the easiest things in the game im sorry buddy

[slow cloak]

Not 6 with no items as commando…

[daring cloak]

But you are actually just bad and no trick is going to help you there

[daring cloak]

I can reliably dodge 10+ at a time as captain

[slow cloak]

With no items at all, no speed no anything

[daring cloak]

Yes

[slow cloak]

And the golems are spaced out

[lavish jacinth]

Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds btw

[daring cloak]

Been surrounded by them
Still dodged em all

[slow cloak]

That makes it easier if they’re all bunched. As their aim sucks if your close up

[daring cloak]

I never said bunched up

[lavish jacinth]

Golems literally show you where they're about to shoot, it's one of the most predictable and avoidable attacks in the game

[slow cloak]

In that case you had walls.

To avoid the majority

[daring cloak]

No

I simply stopped shooting and ran

[slow cloak]

Yeah no you’re lying blatantly then.

[lavish jacinth]

They're not

[daring cloak]

Or maybe im just better than you?

[slow cloak]

The only way (pardon movement abilities) to dodge golem lasers is wall or getting up close

[lavish jacinth]

This is absolutely something thats possible

[slow cloak]

They’re basically hitscan otherwise

[daring cloak]

I can dodge wisps with no movement

Its simply a matter of practice

[lavish jacinth]

They're hitscan with delayed tracking, just move

[slow cloak]

Wisps are easier to dodge bc they’re flying so their turn is easy to avoid.

[daring cloak]

That... what

Wisps turn much faster than golems

[peak jacinth]

if multiple people are telling you they don’t need either of these to dodge… maybe reconsider

[slow cloak]

Yeah but you can go under them way easier than you can go behind a wall or close to a golem.

[slow cloak]

You can’t move fast enough without a movement ability

[daring cloak]

Imma just record myself dodging golems rq

[flint prawn]

bait used to be believeable

[slow cloak]

also on a different note as much as I enjoy loaded why in gods name would you ever in any universe use them for this stupid bullshit challenge

[lavish jacinth]

doing the same thing lol

[slow cloak]

Loader takes a bunch of damage all the time bc melee

[peak jacinth]

this has to be bait right?

[lavish jacinth]

...seriously?

[slow cloak]

And you have to borderline nohit if you want to use the stupid fuel array.

[flint prawn]

I refuse to believe otherwise

[daring cloak]

I can tell you with absolute certainty
no

Loader is unbelievably good at avoiding damage

Because she constantly zooms around the stages

[slow cloak]

Ah yes because standing infront of an enemies face is going to lead to them miraculously never hitting you

[peak jacinth]

this is some outlandish delusion otherwise lmaoooo

[daring cloak]

Then dont stand in front of enemies

[left trellis]

if you're standing still in front of enemies as loader you are bad at the game

[slow cloak]

Okay never do damage ig

[lavish jacinth]

literally the only way this is true is if you haven't been using her grapple well at all and are just standing in enemies faces and letting them shoot you

[slow cloak]

Move infront of an enemy if you wanna be picky with words

[daring cloak]

You have a grapple and a punch that deals damage BASED ON SPEED for a reason

[lavish jacinth]

grapple and charged punch are loader's whole thing

[daring cloak]

Ok my game is acting up

[lavish jacinth]

and yes, it does take some practice to get good with the grapple, but it's not that hard

[slow cloak]

That works only against singular targets, unless you have a billion ukele’s to make the wind up punch hit more than like 4-5 enemies at tops

[daring cloak]

3 times in a row I got lems from kin and landed in the same spot on the same plains

[daring cloak]

That punch pierces

[peak jacinth]

bro you took so much damage there!! holy crap look how much damage you took!

[daring cloak]

Just line the enemies up

[slow cloak]

“4-5 enemies” I’m aware

[daring cloak]

And usually only 4-5 enemies will be dangerous

[left trellis]

it pierces more enemies if you, yknow, build up speed. like how. you're supposed to. with the building-up-speed-to-punch-enemies character

[daring cloak]

KIN KEEPS GIVING ME LEMS

I WANT GOLEMS

[slow cloak]

Doesn’t matter much if there’s like 20 enemies

[daring cloak]

15 of which do absolutely nothing

[slow cloak]

Ah yes because doing that while flinging yourself around because you’ll die in one hit if you so much as get scratched because funny fair and balanced challenge that’s totally doable without multi is very doable

[daring cloak]

It is if you dont fucking suck

[lavish jacinth]

man, I regret telling you about the mul-t cheese becase now you're gonna hyperfixate on that being the "only" way to do it

[daring cloak]

If you actually admitted to yourself your mistakes you would learn

[daring cloak]

And actually get good at the game

[peak jacinth]

the world of not having mods

[spring spoke]

why do i suck at monsoon

[lavish jacinth]

sorry, I don't mean to be rude but this is genuinely incredibly frustrating

[left trellis]

it's extremely doable
that's her entire gameplay loop
you orbit the mass of enemies until you see them move in such a way that there's a particularly dense group of them. at that point you swing in and punch through the dense mass for high damage, wiping out most of the crowd. swing back out, stay safe while chargepunch recharges, rinse and repeat

[slow cloak]

I have not seen anything I’ve done other than die to uncontrollable RNG or in loaders case die because melee character

[peak jacinth]

if a lot of other people have done it then it’s doable

[slow cloak]

Multi and/or abusing some nieche strat idk about yet that just instantly wins the early game

[daring cloak]

Then look harder

[peak jacinth]

most people don’t do it the mult way because of it needing multiplayer lol

[left trellis]

i understand maybe you dont have enough experience with loader for this stuff to be intuitive but being intentionally dense about it and going "bruh you're just wrong you dont know what you're talking about" to people who have experience with the character make you incredibly frustrating to work with here

[lavish jacinth]

Because it's harder, you get used to it though
All the normal strats still apply, loot as much as you can and don't waste time

[daring cloak]

Bro why is kin not giving me golems this one time I want it to 😭

[peak jacinth]

or they’re just better at the game than you, which is fine. You just need to practice

[daring cloak]

I hate my luck man

[spring spoke]

isnt the whole "time matters" thing been busted?

[slow cloak]

I’m not saying loaders bad to be clear. I’m saying they’re just totally and utterly worthless for the stupid funny item that demands you get no-hits

[daring cloak]

That is wrong

[peak jacinth]

time still matters in the sense that you shouldn’t waste it. The 5 minute rule is what’s been busted

[daring cloak]

Because any halfway experienced player is gonna be able to steer loader out of the enemies and into safety

[spring spoke]

👌

[slow cloak]

And I’m sorry grapple isn’t gonna save you without taking till level 99 waiting for the stars to align to finally use a power up punch.

[peak jacinth]

but you can spend 8 minutes on a stage if you’re getting lots of items, that’s still totally fine

just be aware of it

[lavish jacinth]

it absolutely, definitely, 100% is

you just have to use it right

[slow cloak]

It’ll just take to level 99 waiting, or getting lucky with enemies just lining themselves up.

[full apex]

try not to waste time, but focusing on time isnt ideal. instead, focus on efficiency

[peak jacinth]

exactly

[lavish jacinth]

no, it won't

[left trellis]

you can fucking exit the stage with grapple if you want. you can go AFK while holding down the grapple button and you'll take like no damage. grapple is fucking insane survivability

[slow cloak]

And as discussed prior! I lack luck

[full apex]

the clock is completely ignoreable if you are spending that time wisely

[lavish jacinth]

there is a reason loader is the preferred character for itemless runs

[peak jacinth]

until I got good at monsoon (or stopped caring about winning) I usually liked to have 1.5 items / minute

[full apex]

btw i just joined so idk what im dropping into lmao

[peak jacinth]

honestly I would just ignore it lol

[lavish jacinth]

a very annoying argument

tl;dr everything in this game is impossible and multiple very experienced players are apparently lying about how to get better at the game

(apparently)

[slow cloak]

And the game will progress difficulty while your waiting for the stars to align to where you can power punch

[left trellis]

how long do you think we're saying to wait

[slow cloak]

No im just saying that the stupid fuel cell needs multi or insane godly luck.

[daring cloak]

the game is NOT gonna get impossible if you wait for 5 more seconds

[slow cloak]

At least 15 years with my luck!

[lavish jacinth]

dude, you are focusing SO much on this idea that you have to wait for enemies to line up when that literally isn't true at all, which isn't even true, it's just something you made up

[daring cloak]

Its not luck lmao

[full apex]

tbh luck plays a very small role in ror2 if you know what you are doing

[daring cloak]

Setting up enemies is entirely skill

[full apex]

compared to most other roguelikes

[daring cloak]

I would know I literally use diablo all the time

[left trellis]

intentionally misunderstands what we're saying
"guys what you're saying to do is impossible"
what are you expecting here, dude

[daring cloak]

An ability that requires very precise enemy luring

[slow cloak]

Okay in that case power punch hits 2-3 enemies and now you have to eventually rush up to enemies to M1 otherwise it’s gonna a take 15 years to slowly whittle crowds with power punch and grapple

[peak jacinth]

in ror2 every run is winnable

[left trellis]

no you do not because charge punch is a skill that recharges

you can do it. more than once.

[full apex]

ror2's item system is centered around many not super interesting, or similar effects that stack together to create basically guaranteed synergy as you collect anything, with certain items being more unique or worth prioritizing. compared to like isaac or smth where there are lots of swingy items and you are getting significantly less, so if you get bad rng you are way less likely to regress to the mean power level

[slow cloak]

It’ll take like a two minutes to deal with a single large group because of recharge. Best case scenario.

[daring cloak]

Then youre waiting for too much

You need to settle for less

[slow cloak]

It’s not items that are the problem it’s fucking the funny fuel array making the game impossible.

[full apex]

fuel cell or fuel array

?

[slow cloak]

Fuel array mb

[daring cloak]

Your inability to see your mistakes is what makes the game impossible

[full apex]

okok that makes more sense haha

[slow cloak]

The only mistake I made Sofar was having the misfortune of having a Jellyfish spawn on me mid fight while I was out of jumps and falling so I couldn’t just sprint away.

[full apex]

the funny here tho... loader is really tanky and incredibly fast, but i have unironically taken fuel array as a viable damage option on engineer who is way less tanky and ultra slow

[slow cloak]

Or get unlucky spawns at the start.

[full apex]

because its really funny on turrets LOL

[daring cloak]

Like you want advice? Heres the best advice anyone could possibly give
Play the game and learn how to fucking deal with bad rng and how to dodge enemies consistently

[slow cloak]

Honestly yeah that does sound quite funny me

[daring cloak]

And just keep doing that until you improve enough

[flint prawn]

I'd pin this if I could

[daring cloak]

Its not rocket science

[full apex]

if you really hate carrying it though, you can try to look for other equipment to put it down and pick up later. loader is fast enough that early on you can kinda run around wherever and scout most of the stage before having enough money spawn to loot it all. so 'wasted' time isnt really relevant since you would be wasting it grinding cash anyways

[slow cloak]

I had no options left to dodge with.

[daring cloak]

You do thing, you get better at it

[lavish jacinth]

dude, between everyone here there are probably thousands of hours of experience. If we give you advice and your response is "nuh uh you're wrong" then I don't know what else would convince you

[daring cloak]

You always have options
You just dont see them

[slow cloak]

No jumps left my speed was too slow

[slow cloak]

Yeah like:

[peak jacinth]

walking in a line perpendicular to their attacks and jumping

[daring cloak]

I can look back at almost all my runs and see "huh if I had seen this and done that instead I wouldve lived"

[slow cloak]

If your only recommendation is “get good” or “nah it totally doesn’t take 15 years to slowly whittle a crowd while using a strat designed to kill bosses” then it’s not exactly helpful

[daring cloak]

Well you refuse to learn

[lavish jacinth]

because we've tried giving you helpful advice and you've rejected all of it, there's nothing left for us to say

[daring cloak]

We have said everything there is to say

[slow cloak]

In the jellyfish situation i couldn’t do that. In the Golem situation one of the shots would inevitably hit me because there was no direction to run to that was safe

[full apex]

this kinda reminds me of talking to people about rain world. i think 90% of players starting that game will feel the majority of their deaths were complete bullshit or rng and get frustrated, where i can analyze the play having hundreds of hours and find plenty of ways to not die. a big thing though is considering larger pictures, not every situation is fixable in the exact moment, there are lots of situations where positioning or foresight or prioritization much earlier would have prevented problems

[daring cloak]

Also CAN KIN PLEASE JUST GIVE ME GOLEMS

Ive been resetting so many runs

[slow cloak]

How is the advice “get good” or a blatant lie helpful lmao.

[peak jacinth]

yea you can, that’s how you dodge them. Just saying “nah I can’t do that” doesn’t make it false lol

[lavish jacinth]

seriously, you told me the other day that you refuse to sprint because it "doesn't help".
If that's how stubborn you're gonna be about taking advice then there's no point in giving it

[daring cloak]

You claim that we lie but you literally dont know as much about the game as us

We dont lie you are just blind

And thats why we tell you to go play the game

[peak jacinth]

I really gotta play rain world again

[daring cloak]

So you start to see what we are trying to say

[peak jacinth]

my gaming time is so short nowadays :(

[slow cloak]

The grapple thing is very much a lie and I know because I’ve tried and it takes like 15 years.

[slow cloak]

Grapple > power shot is very good against bosses almost exclusively.

[lavish jacinth]

it's not a lie
there are multiple people here telling you that it's not a lie
we WANT to help you, why would we lie about this

[slow cloak]

Because trying to hit multiple things with it is a crapshoot.

[peak jacinth]

it’s ok! I’ll have time to actually play this update in a week lmao

[daring cloak]

Also her momentum was BUGGED here I HAD TO RELEARN HER ENTIRE MOMENTUM IN THAT RUN AND STILL MANAGED TO WORK WITH IT

[lavish jacinth]

https://youtu.be/zeRRJGfzuSw?si=ciACydEMo9Bfv7JZ

[slow cloak]

Look at how that’s a single enemy! Almost as if that’s what I’ve been saying

[flint prawn]

No it isn't? Its cooldown is like 6 seconds?

[daring cloak]

I couldve hit more if I wanted to

[slow cloak]

grapple > power shot is amazing at picking off singular targets otherwise it’s just so slow vs crowds

[daring cloak]

Just walk away so the enemies line up

[lavish jacinth]

^

[slow cloak]

Yeah if you spun around another 8 times waiting for the stars to align

[daring cloak]

And then charge at them

[slow cloak]

Then get shot by wisps, die bc fuel array, or get jump scared by a jellyfish, and die instantly. Whichever happens first.

[lavish jacinth]

charged gauntlet also launches you really far, well away from enemies. That's half of what makes loader so strong, her strongest attack is incredibly safe to use because it also repositions her