ror2-game-questions

[dawn meadow]

Yeah :/ I'm unaware of any others. You make a solid point though. I wish they had some accessibility features for colorblindness built in

[candid wigeon]

does any attack deal more damage to/destroy shields?

[livid wedge]

Nope

No plasma weapons here

[candid wigeon]

well, I could have taken transcendance
but with the amount of healing items i had, I passed on it.
any lunar items that would pair well with mercenary that has a shit ton of healing items?

[frigid elm]

Do you need a lunar item?

[candid wigeon]

well, i'm going for void realm
I heard there's a character there after getting all of the holdout events

[frigid elm]

I don't think you'd need it

[candid wigeon]

well, i guess i'll barge into the realm

[quasi crystal]

whats a good seeker build?

[slim spoke]

alt seeker

[severe shard]

if going for a one shot build w/ crowbars, would it be better to go for kjaro or runald bands? because kjaro does more overall damage, but since it does DOT it wouldnt be affected by the crowbar buff

while runald is an instant singular hit

unless im misunderstanding something

[slim spoke]

both goes fine
they are filler anyway

[severe shard]

am i right that runald's would still recieve the crowbar damage buff if the initial hit reduces the enemy's hp below 90% though

or does it register after

[slim spoke]

after

bands deal non crowbar dmg
but you can still get extra if you aim 4 fodders

assuming the main target is within range

[severe shard]

yeah

though it sacrifices the crowbar affecting initial hit

[slim spoke]

yes

but the fodder would die with the initial anyway

[severe shard]

yea

[severe shard]

honestly

im not very colorblind but its enough where i have to look for a couple seconds to tell whether an item is green or yellow

only really applies to command since i know most of the green/yellow items now but still sucks

[trail schooner]

I can't tell between the red items and the equipment, and the yellow and green

[severe shard]

i plan on getting that recolor mod though

the amount of times ive accidentally taken a yellow item from a teammate who needed it because i thought it was green is already far too many considering i got the game like a week and a half ago

[sharp hare]

what does cracking the geode do on prime median (or however its spelled)

[steady stone]

"cleanse slowing debuffs and gain barrier"

[daring cloak]

Firstly barrier equal to 50% of your max hp
And also a debuff cleanse

[steady stone]

like the stuff from the lightning spears basically

[daring cloak]

If you break all the geodes on prime meridian before entering the false son arena you will also get a tier 1 aurelionite shard (the golden item bundles to pick stuff from)

[sharp hare]

ah ok

[daring cloak]

It also only offers sots items

[sharp hare]

he gave me 1 legendary item of choice and now i know why

[daring cloak]

Oh no I mean before the fs fight

[sharp hare]

oh

i might have not destroyed them all ig

[daring cloak]

Once you enter the safe area with all the cauldrons it will appear assuming you destroyed them all

False son drops very good auri shards regardless of wether or not you broke all geodes

[faint trench]

so thats why the items are so bad

[daring cloak]

Ye thats why its not really worth going for all the geodes lmao

[eternal storm]

Is it really worth going for false son at all if you’re continuing after

[wide parrot]

yeah, free loot

[eternal storm]

I always find that stage 4 is very important in terms of items

[eternal storm]

Does the timer not go in prime meridian?

[wide parrot]

I believe it still counts down, but you don’t really need to pay for anything cause false son will drop loot on death

[eternal storm]

Oh ok

[olive aspen]

what are good defensive items for huntress for monsoon? i've heard the teddy bear but when i stack that if i do by chance don't dodge any attack it just one shots me

[livid wedge]

Rose Buckler is good

Gives armor while sprinting, which is good because she can attack while sprinting

[hoary sedge]

if you have sotv then safer spaces and opal are good

but the real answer is just use your blinks more often

[fresh copper]

Does not

[pastel epoch]

Probably depends. Looping? Probably fine. But if your goal is to go to Mithrix or Voidling right after it’s probably better to go for a normal stage 4 imo.

[eternal storm]

Ok cool

[severe shard]

for huntress its basically just rose buckler for actual defense, but the best way to avoid damage as her is just to not get hit

so focus on mobility

wax quail is especially good on her because shes always sprinting

[next kelp]

Hello, I just found out that the game can be played in local, no matter how much I look how to do it, google doesn't give me an answer so... Can anyone help me out with this?

[high forum]

local co-op you mean?

local co-op is only on PS5/Xbox Series S

[next kelp]

ohhh

damn it...

thx tho

is there a way to play Local coop on PC now that the Xsplitscreenmod is deprecated?

[leaden field]

Not currently

[livid wedge]

Shocked they didn't add it to pc

[next kelp]

that's really sad
thanks anyway

[livid wedge]

Well, surprised, not shocked

I can understand why not, PC isn't usually a couch mp platform

[leaden field]

the user base of people that would do split screen on PC is probably small enough that its not worth it

[high forum]

I think it was because it doesn't run well on systems with not-as-good hardware, and they wouldn't want to add something that isn't going to run well for most people

[leaden field]

yeah, just gonna become a headache to support

better to have it consistently work on 1 platform that is consistent

[high forum]

whereas with xbx/ps5 it's a closed environment where they can guarantee performance

[livid wedge]

I'd enjoy the couch coop on ps5 if I actually had a second controller but damn they're expensive

And the only person to play with is my niece and I don't think she'd enjoy it

[wide parrot]

switch couch co-op PLEASE

I don’t even care if it would run like garbage that’s the end goal of the game anyway

[livid wedge]

I would like that but I strongly doubt we're getting that

Game can't even have the audio running all the time

On switch

[high forum]

yeah it's definitely never happening on switch lol

[livid wedge]

At least the switch version has one thing others don't

LAN play

(Local play)

[leaden field]

switch version can barely run the game already, no chance of splitscreen

I do wonder if the switch 2 will get it though

[livid wedge]

@wide parrot and maybe, just maybe, the switch 2 will get us the upgraded version

[leaden field]

I can see it happening

[wide parrot]

IF I CAN AFFORD IT

[livid wedge]

You read my mind

At this point though, I'd get a steamdeck before the switch 2

I'm really starting to want to distance from Nintendo and their litigious nature

[wide parrot]

I would too but they make good games 😔

Good games and bad legal decisions, the Nintendo way

[compact vale]

what elite aspect should i use? im in simulacrum right now with command and i have a sort of on kill effect build with forgive me please and executioners burden and an aspect dropped but i dont know which one would help me best

[steady stone]

depends

like with fire can be good, silence between two strikes can be good like on bandit/captain because shotgun

on engi think about what your turrets would benefit from

you can read about them here if you want the exact effects https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Items#Elite_Equipment

[compact vale]

i have almost 10 gasolines but no tank yet unfortunately

[steady stone]

generally the "team" ones aren't good, like celestial

[compact vale]

bandit is what im running so i could use two strikes then

i have a modded void aspect so dont know if i should use that as well or not

[steady stone]

void aspect is "real" but unobtainable

it essentially gives you

[full apex]

also

or is that just void enemies

either way, nowadays overloading and blazing are both 50% damage ups, blazing getting value from tank and overloading having aoe

[steady stone]

iirc it's the effect that gives collapse on hit, but the aspect is still eh

just the fact both effects are just items

[quasi crystal]

You can use both spaces and tougher with it so that's cool

[livid wedge]

Is barrier supposed to count as health for the purposes of rexs bushwhacked challenge of completing a teleporter event while below 50% health for the whole duration?

[high forum]

barrier and health are two separate things, so i think in theory you should be able to complete that challenge while holding a or whatever

[livid wedge]

Well, it didn't

I had transcendance so I was guaranteed not healing above 50

And had barrier to actually not die

[high forum]

i think transcendance fucks with it 🤨

[livid wedge]

Retried with 13 which worked

[livid wedge]

I can believe it

I don't really care for the skill, I just wanted to unlock it

[lavish jacinth]

did you still have barrier when you retried?

iirc it's a little inconsistent but I think the game does count usually barrier as part of your combined max hp, I know rex's self-damage skills do

[minor jungle]

eclipse 8 counts as well so it's hard to tell

[livid wedge]

I did not

[livid wedge]

They don't for huntresses challenge, though

[lavish jacinth]

actually they do, because the challenge is specifically to not fall under 100%, and barrier lets you go over 100. Same with the merc unlock

[livid wedge]

Fair

Maybe that did affect it then

[lavish jacinth]

That's what I would bet on
I don't think transc would affect it because it's still just regular shield

[livid wedge]

Right but I definitely had above "50%" with barrier and shield

That makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[full apex]

it looks like it uses combined health fraction, which is defined as your combined health / full combined health.

combined health is health + shield + barrier, full combined health is fullhealth + fullshield

so presumably as long as your hp+shield+barrier total is > 50% of your max hp + max shield, youd be ok

in theory that means having 1 hp and 0 shield out of max but full barrier would count as over 100% in the fraction, but i would need to make a new profile to confirm that.

having full everything would be 200% in theory

[exotic axle]

im trying to find the item ids cause im using a mod that turns items off but the config only lists their ids

where can i find the ids for the sots items?

theres a fandom 🤢 wiki page, but its not updated to have the dlc stuff

[lavish jacinth]

Item_list in the console
also jsyk, we have a wiki.gg page so you don't have to use fandom. It's still not fully up to date but it's being worked on

[north glacier]

@lavish jacinth Idk if you wanted an update on what gearbox said but:
They responded exactly as I expected and said that the devs are working hard and are aware of it.
I responded with basically: but I wanna help in a way that'll help them D:
and:
Can't give you an answer.

One of the Bepinex contributors on their discord suggested making a plugin for it

and that's what I'll probably do.

Would rather not put up work to have a takedown placed on it

[full apex]

do you mean internal names or actual IDs?

we've talked about the IDs in the wiki server but since they can change with updates and stuff we've been hesitant to go out of our way to list them all.

weve been adding the internal names instead since they never change

but idk how the mod works.

i dumped em with the console and posted screenshots that i pinned here if that helps

[exotic axle]

thank you

that does help

[muted leaf]

why does my vanilla ror2 pause at 53% in the loading screen?

does it have something to do with using mods on a previous run

[lavish jacinth]

try verifying game files

[muted leaf]

how do i do that?

[lavish jacinth]

Right click the game in your steam library > properties > installed files > verify integrity

[muted leaf]

alright thanks

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think mods would've broken anything if you were using r2modman, but verifying files never hurts

[muted leaf]

alright

[ocean pecan]

How do recyclers work?
let's say I have 8 Tri-Tip Daggers and 2 Lens Maker's
does the scrapper have a 50% option to choose either? or does it have a higher chance to choose the items with the highest stack counts

[daring cloak]

You mean printers/cauldrons

For scrappers you can choose which item to scrap and the equipment recycler lets you turn an item on the ground into a different item of the same tier

[main peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788264615795752990/1304409281696632832/MomentsclipfromNov082024.mp4?ex=672f494f&is=672df7cf&hm=e4e5deaa2a1371755665a1007e761728a3a4b8b0257d660b723791c1dca5a0c1&

is this skill issue or just game bs cause i got evaporated in a frame

[daring cloak]

Yeah that dont look right

I also dont believe this was just the spin hitbox lingering

I refuse to believe that the spin dealt 2k damage in one hit

[willow olive]

Skill issue clearly

[daring cloak]

Ok where the shit is the delusion artifact code tablet? I know its on ||verdant|| but I have been looking for ages with no success

[lavish jacinth]

||inside a little cave off the side of the cliff, it's on the ceiling||

[daring cloak]

Aight thanks

[lavish jacinth]

assuming you mean printers, each individual item has an equal chance of being chosen, so items with higher stacks are more likely. But if you have scrap of the correct tier, it'll always use that first

same with cauldrons

[minor jungle]

Yeah it's average halcyonite experience lol

They're doing absurd damage with this spinning attack cuz it's bugged

[daring cloak]

Also just to be sure this ground texture inside the big ship remains is normal right?

[lavish jacinth]

this is how it looks for me, I think that's the same spot

[daring cloak]

The thing is

With 1.3.5 the switch version got a fix for a bugged texture on verdant which I assumed was that texture... but its still there

So now im unsure if it was something else or if the patchnotes just lied

[livid wedge]

Looks like the same texture base, just super not fancy because switch

[lavish jacinth]

I'm playing with my settings right now to see if I can get it to look similar, this is the closest I can get

[livid wedge]

Yeah, looks pretty similar

[lavish jacinth]

not quite the same though, the difference in color is a lot more dramatic here

[livid wedge]

Is wertus picture prepatch?

[livid wedge]

I'm willing to account switch gfx for that

But that fix over the music not working blows my mind

[daring cloak]

Yes

But it looks pretty much identical in current patch

[livid wedge]

Fuck if I know then

That's either a different vfx or they lied

Than the one they mentioned fixing, I mean

Oh right, I should do another crash test run

[ocean pecan]

ah yeahh frickin sorry

[livid wedge]

God, the switch could really use the ability to manually set controller deadzones

I feel like that would solve like 90% of my drift issues

[quick burrow]

Hey guys I Have a small problem the her concepts achevment Is bugged for me bugged becouse thé "creature" that Is supposed to be there isn't there can I fix it somehow PS: I am playing on a ps4

[daring cloak]

I have that bug but in reverse whenever I play multiplayer

Even when everyone has it unlocked the skeleton just is there

So ig you could try if that works

[quick burrow]

Ok thanks

Oh And also the glow from the skeleton Is there

[daring cloak]

I dont think the glow comes from the skeleton itself

Though I honestly cant remember the last time I went down there before sots

[storm sand]

Will there be only balance changes in the DLS update, or will new content be added?

[pulsar nova]

If you count content overhauls as new content then there will be a lot of new content

Otherwise there might be a few alts added, but we're not sure

[glacial knoll]

Well it's not on the roadmap so they they can't say for sure

They wanted to do more pre release so maybe they'll get back to it but first 2 main focus points first

[daring cloak]

No new content will be added in the roadmap updates

If more content such as more alt moves will be added after those updates is uncertain but gearbox seems interested

[brazen glacier]

can helfire tincture proc bleed on the player?

[livid wedge]

Nope, you will not proc your items on yourself, you only take damage to emit damage

[full apex]

It is affected by ur items tho, focus crystal and ignition tank will make you hurt yourself more for ex

[ebon badge]

Does pc have the new local co-op? I can't seem to get it to boot for whatever reason

[daring cloak]

Pc does not have couch co op

[main peak]

How often are any of you getting the void seed bug where the last enemy is non-existent, it's been the last 5 void seeds I've seen do it every time

[full apex]

not often for me personally, ive only seen it once in a looong time and only know it was for sure and not hiding because i was testing stuff and used console to kill everything but it still said 1 left.

[main peak]

yeah i full clear and look for the arrows and the enemy just isnt real

[quasi crystal]

Hellfire does proc voidsent though

[muted leaf]

why does my modded game stop at 53% in the loading screen?

[left trellis]

share your log

[muted leaf]

?

[muted leaf]

alright one sec

[left trellis]

1) Goorakh-BetterLoadingScreen-1.0.0 (Out of date by 276 days)
2) Groove_Salad-ProperlyPersistentProfilesPatchPlugin-1.0.0 (Out of date by 297 days)
3) HasteReapr-AssassinMod-2.1.0 (Out of date by 67 days)
4) Moonlol-SeerPing-1.2.1 (Out of date by 907 days)
5) MoriyaFaith-RMOR_REFORGED-1.3.2 (Out of date by 274 days)
6) NeonRain-Amp-2.1.2 (Out of date by 81 days)
7) PlasmaCore3-MELT-1.2.7 (Out of date by 856 days)
8) nayDPz-DaredevilMod-2.1.0 (Out of date by 443 days)
9) pseudopulse-ConfigurableButtonRemover-1.1.0 (Out of date by 120 days)```

remove these
additionally, `OrographicGambitBaseMod` seems like it hasn't been updated, grab version 1.0.3 if you can

[muted leaf]

alright

thanks man

[rapid current]

Does mult t third primary get fastet charge with attack spped

[lavish jacinth]

no

it's affected by cooldown reduction though

[dreamy plaza]

What's the easiest way to complete the 5s boss kill for Engineer on Vanilla?

[wide parrot]

Place a ton of mines before the fight in one place and hope that the boss spawns on them

[lavish jacinth]

[wide parrot]

that’s if you have dlc

[lavish jacinth]

or if you don't have dlc

don't bother with mines, too much rng

[dreamy plaza]

I need to unlock the Capacitor. Sorry, I'm new.

How many crowbar and bullets I need?

[lavish jacinth]

not sure off the top of my head, and it'll depend on the boss's level when you fight them. I'd just grab like 3-5 of each, and maybe throw in

(obviously this'll be easier if you're using command)

[lavish jacinth]

might work as alternatives but they're a little more tricky
with preon you have to pre-fire just before the boss spawns because it's so slow, sawmerang can shred bosses but it doesn't work as well with crowbar so you might need more damage buffs or to spam it

[dreamy plaza]

Ok

[full apex]

preon is good prefire or be point blank with bands so the big hit is guaranteed the band proc

you can use crowbar with that as well. if you just completely forgo the tendrils they cant yoink other synergies

[eternal storm]

i somehow managed to do it with mines but only because it was the exact same map (distant roost) with the exact same teleporter location i remembered so the boss spawned exactly where i predicted and got blown up

[quasi crystal]

Same I've gotten a mine kill lol

[ornate turtle]

Does crowbar increase the damage of acrid's initial poison ticks, assuming the ability itself isn't enough to drop the enemy below 90%?

Or is poison damage hard capped at 10%

[quick burrow]

Hey guys how do you trigger the 2 player couch coop

On consoles

[full apex]

as long as they are >90% any damage will be boosted by crowbar, including poison

im not sure if you meant 1%, since thats how much poison deals /s, 10% is too high haha. poison will deal 1% of the targets hp, or 100% of acrids base damage, whichever is higher, up to a max of 50x his base damage (though good luck hitting that), though even that max is before crowbar so you could go over 50x using it

[quick burrow]

Do you need to Have the dlcs

[ornate turtle]

Oh right, thanks

[full apex]

focus crystal and stuff work too

[leaden field]

Have the new gen version

[rose plover]

What is the best skill loadout for mercenary?

[serene vector]

people got diff playstyles so up to your preference, i like basic m2, alt util and basic ult

[livid wedge]

I'm curious if the money you get from the gold nuggets from are determined by when you spawn them or from when you pick them up

[lavish jacinth]

doesn't matter, it's always equal to the value of a small chest

[lavish jacinth]

you really can't go wrong with merc loadouts, his skills are all good so just try them out and use the ones you like

[livid wedge]

Uhh, it becomes worth more than a chest the longer you're on the stage

It's value is not fixed

[lavish jacinth]

....it's supposed to be

[livid wedge]

It is not

[lavish jacinth]

welp

another sots moment I guess

[livid wedge]

Nice

I love finding bugs 🙂

[lavish jacinth]

unless someone can confirm I have dementia and it's always done that, but I'm like 99% sure that's a bug

[livid wedge]

I honestly don't remember

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's not an item I normally pay any attention to

but the wiki does say that it's equal to a small chest with no mention of increasing in real time

and that's how I remember it working

[livid wedge]

I only didn't scrap it because I got a clover early

Helps speed up the stage a little

Yeah, the nugget I grabbed at just before leaving stage via tp was worth $190 and a utility chest was $169

[lavish jacinth]

hmmm

[livid wedge]

Is that not how other items that say they scale with time work? (We don't count warbonds)

The value of the nugget appears to be determined when it drops

Grabbed one of two nuggets and then the second 3 minutes later, no change. Went and did the tp event. Grabbed nugget from enemy that died during the tp event, nugget was worth more

[elder solar]

is it just me or...?

[covert rain]

No more DLC for you

[elder solar]

right, i havent played for a while

[thorn sage]

Y’all know if the forgive me please equipment also triggers on hit items

Like ukulele or voidsent flame

[elder solar]

"On-kill", so no

[thorn sage]

okay, thank you

[tender temple]

Freed from unstable transmitter

[elder solar]

scam bot!!

[livid wedge]

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[full apex]

Yea its worth 1 chest now so the longer you stay, they get slightly more valuable. Still 1 chest though

[livid wedge]

Ye

[quasi crystal]

Does attack speed affect soul spiral for seeker?

[full apex]

i dont think so

lux doesnt make it any worse so

[livid wedge]

Do the overloading and blazing damage things apply it to anything with a proc chance or do they have some restriction on what triggers them?

[tender temple]

pretty sure it works on anything

like behemoth basically

blazing no but overloading for sure

[livid wedge]

Behemoth only works on something with a proc chance

[tender temple]

yeah i meant that

anything that is supposed to deal damage has at least 0.1 proc for the sake of it

everything that has no proc coef isnt meant to proc things for the sake of not snapping the game in half

like how they made it so singularity band can no longer proc itself so that it doesnt infinitely scale damage

[livid wedge]

I mean, none of the bands have a proc chance

I get what you're saying, though

[full apex]

should be anything with proc coeff for both

[livid wedge]

Thank you both

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[full apex]

fast

[livid wedge]

Damn, beat me to it

[tiny rampart]

Do drones trigger on hit or on kill effects

[livid wedge]

Not normally

gives them what is basically ATG, though

[tiny rampart]

Thank you

[fresh umbra]

Does elite spam still happen

[livid wedge]

Nope, recent patch fixed the elite cost

[quasi crystal]

Whats good on mercenary ?

[spring timber]

I think aoe goes especially well on him

Since he’s already got a lot in his kit

[flint prawn]

AOE as already mentioned, attack speed if you have Eviscerate, and cooldown reduction items due to his invuln(though those are either red or Purity)

[olive aspen]

what are good void items for false son?

[flint prawn]

Polylute is great on him

Wungus is also very nice, but that's good in general

Now that I think about it, Lysate may be good if you want to spam the long windup laser but I don't really know

[lavish jacinth]

only thing I really wouldn't take on him is plasma shrimp or void band
atg is kinda nuts with the 3.0 proc on his charged primary and void band is just eh in general
otherwise they're all about as good as usual

I wouldn't take benthic either but that's more of a lifestyle choice than a strategic decision

[dreamy plaza]

What's the deal with Mithrix and Visions of Heresy? The wiki says he has a special interaction with the item, but does not say what is it.

[trim narwhal]

its a tradeoff

[slim spoke]

what the wiki means is the interaction when you get all "heresy" items, at which you polymorph into a twisted (physically) vulture with gorgeous stats (mind its negative regen btw, 3 slugs can negate it)
||phase 4 mithrix will then say a few words regarding the thing you polymorphed into, like directly as if he really is talking to it||

[trim narwhal]

sure atg >> shrimp on 3.0 m1m2 but shrimp >> atg on 0.45 r

[lavish jacinth]

the atg outweighs it most of the time unless you use the laser a lot

[slim spoke]

viend laser fits the plimp so much

[trim narwhal]

not uncommon on high attack speed or growth builds

especially with the attack speed scaling bug, though idk if they patched that

[lavish jacinth]

plus you'll wanna be using the charged primary a lot anyway, 3.0 proc coeff on a spammable 1500% aoe is just broken

[slim spoke]

fs yall talkin abt?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's what the original question was about

[slim spoke]

yea i'd consider atg for this one

since he mainly focuses on hp, not shield anyway

and poly would just be straight up better regardless

[fresh umbra]

LFG

[trim narwhal]

long as youre doing around like ~70% of your dmg with laser, plimp outperforms

[slim spoke]

how much does poly do per shock

[trim narwhal]

if the attack speed bug isnt fixed, this + the advantage of plimp adding a stack of itself means you should take plimp imo

[lavish jacinth]

60% total x 3 hits per stack

[slim spoke]

poly should be betterp

[trim narwhal]

idk why poly is relevant here

to atg vs plimp, poly doesnt corrupt atgs or like ?

[slim spoke]

high hitrate

like higher overall dps

feels like it

[trim narwhal]

ok well charged perf is better than both atg and plimp

but thats not really relevant

[slim spoke]

yes it really is

[lavish jacinth]

if you get a choice between plimp and polylute you should take the polylute

[trim narwhal]

well yeah, but this is about picking up plimp ?

vs having a little less atgs

[lavish jacinth]

technically the original question was about which void items to take on fs

[trim narwhal]

if you have a void key with both plimp and poly and all else equal sure take poly

[lavish jacinth]

also: an atg proccing off of a 3.0 coeff is a 90% dps increase on average
2 plimps is +80% dps while shields are up
so for the charged primary, even a single atg is better than 2 plimps

[trim narwhal]

yea and in raw laser dps, a single plimp is better than 3 atgs

it just depends on your dmg profile

if you have a ton of growth and attack speed plimp likely outperforms

ala stone flux or printer or drugs or attack speed bug etc

[dreamy plaza]

Thanks

[lavish jacinth]

in my experience the primary usually outperforms the laser, and there's no setup required for it

if you get a build for the laser then plimp might be better, I'd still say that atg is the safer option on average

also false son is kinda busted no matter what you build on him so it barely matters lmao

[trim narwhal]

if your laser isnt doing like less than 10% of your total output then 2 plimps beat 1 atg

isnt this confirmation bias ? if you always forego laser dps in favor of m1m2 dps in your builds by dropping plimps, then yea in your experience your m1m2 outperforms

until they fix the atkspd bug which idk i havent tested ingame, but its not listed in patch notes

its really easy to get a strong laser

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/691758342401687563/1281439531861671936/2024-09-05_19-04-00_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6730c1d0&is=672f7050&hm=3d98d1a5211e3798cef9998dd8dabd98e49793c0bab8f5bfc097ff2191ed652d&

upper end showcase of the bug as an example, thats ~10k% dps

[lavish jacinth]

that's fair, idk if it's still a thing either
but I'm operating on the assumption that the laser works correctly lol

[trim narwhal]

base growth /atk spd laser is 8400%, for 1atg to beat 2 plimps on total dmg profile, youd need to m1m2 a gorillion times per laser

[smoky wharf]

does playing with swarms affect how many items you can get with sacrifice

[mighty tusk]

i dont feel like answering that

[lavish jacinth]

the item drop chance is decreased but not completely halved, and there's always a 5% minimum, so you do get a lot more on average

[trim narwhal]

25 total hits with m1m2 per laser cast, still loses to 2plimp. high end example for m1m2 hits, but plimp has downtime so

til you get into other items but just raw 1atg 2plimp

[lavish jacinth]

honestly what this tells me is that both options are so good that it hardly matters lol

[trim narwhal]

the point is that passing up plimp is pretty questionable, especially if you havent found atg

this is a best case for 2atg

hitting 5 enemies every m1m2 5 times every laser and somehow u found no growth or atkspd

plus in shitty runs its easier to get laser uptime than spam m1m2s in melee

the difference matters less if you have atg/plimp stacks but at that point it really doesnt matter

choice matters most when u have 0 or few

straight up avoiding plimp is going to be worse choice on a lot of runs

sure false son is still op, but in the same vein of 'it doesnt matter' you could be grabbing vands and still win tons of runs. wouldnt advise getting vands though, same way i wouldnt advise unconditionally dropping plimps

[lavish jacinth]

yeah alright, I was wrong about avoiding plimp. I sorta meant it as "don't convert atg to plimp if you already have atgs" but that's not actually what I wrote lol

I stand by spamming the hell out of the m1m2 whenever you can though, even if it's slightly worse for atg, it's still insanely valuable for proc chaining

and the laser does have a significant cooldown to consider fwiw

although a bandolier and/or lysate pretty much takes care of that

[trim narwhal]

converting itself is still run dependent, lots of ways to get stronger laser

the cooldown is why i did 25 m1m2 hits for each laser

i mean i wouldnt take plimp conversion either if i had little growth or attackspeed or cdr, but like focus crystals and other proc items to use atg's 1.0 over plimp's 0.2

[lavish jacinth]

fair

[trim narwhal]

if it was the reverse, im taking plimp, and if the build is balanced then idk whatever the build is probably nuts if i have a mix of all the different kinds of multipliers

[quasi crystal]

Laser doesn't recharge while in use iirc so a lysate would still have downtime

[trim narwhal]

it does, thats why we had to recast laser during the inf laser duration bug days

lysate downtime would depend on growth, base growth is 4s laser duration so yea lysate doesnt cut it

[trim narwhal]

see here

[quasi crystal]

Oh does it I swear it didn't lol

[trim narwhal]

cd ticks from 15 to 13 during laser

boss false son does too which is really epic on e7+

[lavish jacinth]

his m1m2 also has the gigantic spherical hitbox which is very cool

[trim narwhal]

it doesnt tick down during chargeup, in my previous clip cd started at 15 while blasting

boss does tho unlike us https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875135324689432597/1288261827268182067/2024-09-24_18-11-20_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67312fd2&is=672fde52&hm=f79e54579c7365e5721dda5be7331f739b03eed63b15906184d5bee042e9dea1&

[lavish jacinth]

gotta love that he basically has 0 downtime on that laser

[livid wedge]

What on earth is at ??? for base game/no dlc?

Imp Overlord, Grandparent, Scavenger, and Overloading Worm are the rest on the second page

[steady stone]

no dlc? wtf

[livid wedge]

Weird

[steady stone]

im manually checking from the wiki rn

[livid wedge]

I did that, I'm not missing anything in that list

[steady stone]

uhhhh twister scav? do they have a log

no, they dont

aurelionite?

auri has a log

[livid wedge]

Auri is the empty one bottom left

[steady stone]

ah right

honestly if you turn it off and on again it might go away

the logbook is very strange

[livid wedge]

Worth a try

Nope, still there

Gonna restart the whole console

[cosmic mica]

I can prolly check in a bit

If you guys don't find what it is by then

[livid wedge]

Are you also on base game?

[cosmic mica]

Not ATM

[cosmic mica]

Maybe it's void infestor

[livid wedge]

That is sotv dlc

[cosmic mica]

yeah

[livid wedge]

Which I don't have so it will not be a visible log, locked or otherwise

[cosmic mica]

I forgor

I saw the void reavers and I instantly thought of sotv

[livid wedge]

Yeah, they got added as a prelude to the sotv, I guess

[cosmic mica]

Uhhh

I think overloading worm is on the second page

So it shouldn't be that

[livid wedge]

It is and I have that one

[lavish jacinth]

it lists enemies in order of base health so it wouldn't be a boss anyway

it could be the scorch wurm log appearing by mistake

[midnight cape]

any tips for a beginner on builds on artificer for monsoon with command? What items should i prioritize on flamethrower or ion surge? for the latter i like the added survivability but i feel like I lack a lot of damage

[lavish jacinth]

its health is right between golem and parent

if you aren't running surge then mobility is gonna be super important, and is great with her flame skills ofc

beyond that her item choices aren't super specialized, her secondary works great with crowbar and bands and she does pretty well with procs

if you aren't running surge then mobility is gonna be super important, and is great with her flame skills ofc

beyond that her item choices aren't super specialized, her secondary works great with crowbar and bands and she does pretty well with procs

attack speed is also decent now that it affects her primary

this might also help https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Kn9ei3oRGiA05IGaiXwyrNCpo8UQyQDZ83spX19QcA/edit?tab=t.0
it's a little outdated now but most of it is still useful

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much confirmed, it's the scorch wurm log showing up when it shoudn't

[livid wedge]

Nice

[midnight cape]

thanks this is super useful, I'll take a look 😊

[steady stone]

file a #1172187541349347429, if you feel like it

otherwise i might later, if i remember

[livid wedge]

Done and done

[deft lodge]

Can you do local coop on Xbox in ror2?

[lavish jacinth]

if you have the most recent version of xbox yeah, it's not on old gen

xbox one x s series 2 720.5 whatevermachine

[deft lodge]

Ah thanks

[lavish jacinth]

microsoft's naming scheme eludes me

[livid wedge]

Same

[elder solar]

does false son count for the bandit b&e

[lavish jacinth]

not sure but I doubt it

"final boss" usually only refers to Mithrix, and iirc voidling also doesn't count so fs probably doesn't either

[woeful shadow]

I came back to the game after awhile, I did that like golden pillar ritual thing entered that portal and then just finished the stage from the green portal and now I have another green portal do I enter the teleporter or the green one for the new ending

[lavish jacinth]

keep following the green portals if you want the new ending

[woeful shadow]

okay sweet thank you

Welp I was just destroying everything with ease and he instantly kills me

[lavish jacinth]

yeah he tends to do that

[woeful shadow]

using really fun with speed boosts

[lavish jacinth]

new boss is basically a glass cannon, he's way less tanky than the other final bosses but he'll delete you instantly if you're not careful

he's getting reworked in a future patch though

[woeful shadow]

interesting ill have to beat him before that then!

[coarse heath]

How does Morbin' work with Void Fiend?

[lavish jacinth]

are you asking about the corruption mechanic, or...

[analog brook]

Slowly builds up over time, healing reduces it. Getting crits increases it and getting hit also increases it
Changes your skills, gives you 100armor, resets all ability cooldowns

[lavish jacinth]

specifically you get 2% corruption per crit, healing reduces it by the % of health restored and taking damage increases it by the % lost

Having void items also increases your minimum corruption by 2% per stack

[mild ore]

I cant enter the small space to open/grab the legendary chest on abyssal depths when playing as False Son, is this just me and i need to file a bug report , or is it not possible/theres some trick i dont know?
(If it matters im playing on the nintendo switch)

[glacial knoll]

somehow the cave is just smaller or he is larger on console or switch specifically

[mild ore]

So bug report ?

[glacial knoll]

someone reported it yeah

[glossy ember]

Anyone know why my game crashes when I try to do artifact portal?

[lavish jacinth]

Are you running any mods? If so make sure they're all up to date and disable any that aren't.
Otherwise #ror2-tech-support might be able to help, check pins first

[strong osprey]

can halycon shrine spawn on reformed altar? trying to unlock the false son and so far I've only seen it on the treetop one

[glacial knoll]

rarely but yeah

[woven talon]

where can the buttons in abandoned aqueduct spawn?

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Abandoned_Aqueduct wiki has screenshots of all the spawn locations

[steady stone]

and if you want, i can (crudely) draw a map with the locations top down, if the pictures don't do it

i find knowing where they are relative to other things can help

[livid wedge]

They're usually located near rocks or edges, that's how I remember their general spots

And by next to, I mean almost touching

[indigo kayak]

can someone quickly test if they changed scrap launcher's cooldown to be affected by attack speed

it would be so appreciated

[steady stone]

iirc it's just artificer m1 (as of now)

i wouldnt be surprised if it got changed in the future but i doubt it

[lavish jacinth]

It's not, I checked the other day

[indigo kayak]

:(

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it still is in the sense that dumping shots faster will let it reload sooner, but the reload is still only affected by cooldown reduction

[bronze palm]

does the old guillotine have a cap as to what percentage the elite enemy has to be for it to insta die? like what is the item cap before additional stacks do nothing?

[lavish jacinth]

It has hyperbolic stacking so there's no effective cap

Functionally it's pretty much identical to a 13% damage bonus against elites so just think of it like that

[bronze palm]

so when the insta die bar stops getting higher its just a +13% bonus damage to elites per item stack?

[full apex]

Its a health down with diminishing returns that behaves similarly to a linear damage up

If they have 50% health they die 2x as fast, 33% health they die 3x as fast, 25% is 4x etc.

[bronze palm]

so less of the item is better?

[full apex]

Basically as the effective damage up approaches infinity their health approaches 0%, but you can't get infinite damage so they never hit 0% health

Technically the effect is essentially the same as you stack it up but its just an underwhelming stat line to begin with

So the best benefits of it are skipping big elite enemies dying attacks

[livid wedge]

Like elite vagrant wanderers

[bronze palm]

so what is the recommended number of old guillotines to have on any survivor?

[livid wedge]

5 is usually around what I like to have for greens

[full apex]

Idk if theres really a target number

I don't rember all the boss death attacks but ig having enough to completely avoid them would be funny. Though usually getting close enough is fine

[bronze palm]

so now my next question is what is a boss death attack?

[full apex]

5 is like 60% health down or something maybe

[dreamy plaza]

What's the best way for Engi Turrets survive on very high levels?

[full apex]

Things like wandering vagrants nova or dunerstrider succ, attacks they only use at low hp

[livid wedge]

Oddly shaped opals, tougher times, and bungus

Should stop burst and overheal the little scratches

Aegis is good once you have enough bungus, basically double health

[dreamy plaza]

Ok, thanks.

[livid wedge]

I usually find it's better to just get a couple of alien heads and not worry about the turrets dying because you've got a shorter cooldown

Alien head and lysate cell

[dreamy plaza]

I am on Vanilla, so the first one is out. Aegis... isn't it a red?

[livid wedge]

Ye

All the items I listed were vanilla

But a couple were dlc if that's what you meant

[quasi crystal]

Alien head is vanilla
Lysate is dlc

[dreamy plaza]

Alien is, but opal is not.

[livid wedge]

Dios is also good. Turrets get a fresh revive on spawn as long as you haven't consumed it yourself to revive

[lavish jacinth]

I wouldn't take alien head on him, bandolier is usually more value on him with how long the turret cooldown is imo

[quasi crystal]

Chef's m1 too

[lavish jacinth]

Dio is probably better for a red, or any of the usual good stuff like behemoth, clover, tesla coil etc

[livid wedge]

I also get bandolier. Probably the only survivor I like it on

[lavish jacinth]

Actually tesla is extra good because you basically triple its output

[livid wedge]

Mostly because if you have the harpoons, extra bandoliers aren't wasted since you can recharge one of the charges for all your abilities

Throw your mines and turrets then pick up the ammo packs to refresh

[dreamy plaza]

So, a ton of Dio?

[full apex]

Id take dios on engi over alien head. Alien head is pretty unimpressive and giving turrets an extra life is basically 50% cdr right away. Plus insurance for u ig

Probably dont need a ton since you just want them to survive until you can plant more

[lavish jacinth]

You don't need a ton of them, even one will increase turret survivability by a lot

[full apex]

Damage items to help them just not die could be beneficial

[lavish jacinth]

I'd get one and use your other reds for damage

[livid wedge]

They start attacking immediately after the revive so they get 3 seconds of free shots

[full apex]

If you're on command you can get autoplay builds and not worry much, and if not stacking a bunch of dios wont be particularly easy

[livid wedge]

As much as I like engi, he is easy and playing him with command feels dirty to me. Don't let that affect your choice, though. It's your game, play with command if you like

[dreamy plaza]

What happens if I pick Vulture as Engi?

The item is not Turret Black List

[livid wedge]

Vulture? You mean heretic?

[dreamy plaza]

No, the one that steals elite powers.

Wake of Vultures

[livid wedge]

Oh, wake

[full apex]

They get elite powers if they kill elites

It works like normal

You don't share tho like their kills are theirs and yours are yours

[dreamy plaza]

I am fine with this.

I need to improve a lot with engi.

[livid wedge]

The most important thing is that you want to build more for the turrets than yourself

[full apex]

Tesla coil and frost relic are good ideas because each turret gets them

Proc chains are always a good idea

[dreamy plaza]

Yeah, but I am more worried about white/green/blues/yellows.

[full apex]

Yellows just proc chain perforators are probably most important, you can get spleen if you want bleed on them, and urn isnt bad since its survivability and they each get one

Visions is pretty solid on engi most of the time

Hooks can be good, its a lot of damage with a bit of cc and mines aren't too crazy.

Back in the day hooks were completely busted with harpoons because they reset hooks CD haha, but they patched that out

[dreamy plaza]

Won't Visions give my turrets a cooldown?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, but it's still a dps increase

[dreamy plaza]

Greens? Is it just Ukulele and Missiles?

And one Instincts

[lavish jacinth]

Bandolier and red whip can be handy

Hopoo feather and rose buckler are always useful

[dreamy plaza]

How is red whip handy? Turrets don't move.

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah but you do

And engie has zero mobility

[dreamy plaza]

Bandolier caps at 10.

[full apex]

Engi moving is important yea. And mobility means better dodging and faster looting so its effectively defense and ramp

[lavish jacinth]

You only really need 1

[dreamy plaza]

But it has the terrible drawback of that I have to go under enemy fire for it.

[lavish jacinth]

Also it has diminishing returns iirc so there's no cap

[full apex]

Bandolier has special scaling im pretty sure, its not linear

[lavish jacinth]

Its not that bad

That's why you take speed items so you can actually survive lol

[full apex]

The satchels linger for a while and if you kill a group of enemies you'll be able to get them for free.

[lavish jacinth]

Not to mention your turrets will be drawing a ton of aggro for you

[dreamy plaza]

Well, I supposed I could go around dropping spiders.

But, no useful greens for the turrets?

[full apex]

Uke, atg, razorwire come to mind right away

[lavish jacinth]

You should be doing that, yes

It would be a little silly not to be using your mines lol

[full apex]

Shuriken are quite solid on them and the crit synergy items can be funny.

[lavish jacinth]

Shuriken is very good on them, it's dlc though

[full apex]

Shuriken has exponential stacking since it double scales so its pretty funny for them

Also tru i dont even rember anymore lmao

[dreamy plaza]

How many ukes do people stack?

[lavish jacinth]

Bands are solid but turrets don't have a way to proc them directly, shuriken is the most consistent way but 2+ atgs will also work

[lavish jacinth]

You don't need many, 3 is like the most I'd get

Stacking it only increases range and max targets, which only matters if there are enough enemies around for it to hit

[quasi crystal]

Do drone parts proc bands

[lavish jacinth]

Not by itself

[full apex]

However many you want, getting 10 bounce targets is probably way more than enough and should be solid range. I think its like 3+2 so 4 or 5 is in that area. Atg stacks damage so it will scale better to stack

[quasi crystal]

mean on turrets lol

[full apex]

The atg effect probably could right?

Depending on the initial hit size

[lavish jacinth]

I know

[full apex]

Maybe not
120% like visions would be 360 which isnt enough

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, you'd still need an atg or two

[dreamy plaza]

Since someone mentioned drones...

[quasi crystal]

Unfortunate

[lavish jacinth]

One atg could proc it if it chains off the SDP missile but that's really inconsistent

[dreamy plaza]

I was thinking... turrets (not engi ones, the map ones) are pretty useless on the last boss? They won't be up there, right?

[quasi crystal]

They're useful for one item and that's empathy cores

[full apex]

Can that even happen?

[quasi crystal]

They're basically never going to get hit on commencement so they buff the probes with 0 risk

[full apex]

I suspect they'd share the missile proc mask. DML cant proc atg or shrimp

[quasi crystal]

Sounds like a test opportunity lol

[dreamy plaza]

So I get 17 turrets?

[quasi crystal]

No you don't

[dreamy plaza]

Leave 2 spaces for engi turrets, and 1 for empathy cores?

Wait, cores summon 2.

[quasi crystal]

Cores are 2

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, gunner turrets aren't good for much

[quasi crystal]

Gunners are really nice near the top on stage 1 and 2

Tp*

[dreamy plaza]

Turrets are very good on the artifact missions.

[lavish jacinth]

Maybe? I assumed it was a different missile

[proven smelt]

my friend is on e3 and im on e2 and im wondering if it would up my level

[lavish jacinth]

Nope

[proven smelt]

damn

[lavish jacinth]

It uses the lowest eclipse level in the lobby

[quasi crystal]

It would up your to E3 on completion?

[proven smelt]

would it?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah it would increase your level if you win, but it wouldn't let you skip one

[proven smelt]

ah okay

[quasi crystal]

It would lol

[proven smelt]

God bless

thank you

[full apex]

Youd hope so but I really wouldn't be surprised if it didn't haha

I'll have to try it out some time

[lavish jacinth]

Iirc it's not affected by icbm so I figured it was different, I'd have to check though

[lavish jacinth]

Engie turrets aren't affected by the minion cap btw, so outside of leaving room for other minions to spawn you Don't have to worry about having slots for them

[quasi crystal]

Isn't the cap 15

[full apex]

If its not then it might work as hoped

[full apex]

Right the wiki has 16 as the ally cap on the empathy cores page but im almost positive it's always been 20

[lavish jacinth]

Every time someone asks that question, the answer changes lmao

[full apex]

I wonder if its been changed on there yet. I guess if not I could double check.

[lavish jacinth]

I've always thought it was 20, but I've heard everything from 12 to like 30

[full apex]

Definitely not 12 haha

I rember it being half the enemy cap and that's 40

[quasi crystal]

I just once got to the point where droneman and cores didn't spawn until stuff died and that was around 16 drones so I toned it down

[lavish jacinth]

It gets extra confusing because drones fill a slot but you can still buy more of them even when slots are full

They'll just prevent passive minions from spawning

[full apex]

Turrets are always allowed to spawn but do eat up slots

I know 4sure empathy cores can be blocked

[dreamy plaza]

Good to know.

[past harness]

Can someone please give me a for dummies explanation of how to get to the planetarium? Saw people say void fields and pet the frog and idk what they’re even on about

[last sorrel]

Void Fields - do all 9 cells as you would do normally then go to the portal, there will be a bigger and shinier one. That's the one you're looking for.
Commencement - after defeating Mithrix, go back to the teleporter (past the ship), there will be a . Interact with it.

[flint prawn]

It also has a chance to spawn by itself after looping, though I don't remember if it's every 3rd stage or not

[analog brook]

Void fields is a hidden portal at the bottom of bazaar between time

[bronze palm]

is there a cap on how much predatory instincts can increase your attack speed?

[dreamy plaza]

I actually came here to ask a similar question. Is there even a cap on attack speed? PI is self limiting in that it has a max amount of stacks you can earn.

I can, however, state that 25 stacks of Predatory Instincts (plus 10 seringues) on Engi result in some insanely fast turrets.

[full apex]

The duration per buff stack is not reset by others and is affected by proc coefficient. At some point its possible to reach equilibrium where they are decaying as quickly as you are generating them

Ofc buff stacks giving you more AS lets you get more simultaneous buffs but you can hit a point where its not maintainable. Also if you don't have very high crit its easier to not be able to max it out if you have a lot of stacks

[dreamy plaza]

Ok, but that does not answer my question. Is there a cap to attack speed?

[full apex]

For just attack speed in general, the way that it works is by scaling specific animations. That results in some frame rounding which can cause non linear scaling at really high speeds. And at the extreme you cant have >1 action per frame. So with infinite attack speed for example the fastest a specific anim can be is 1 frame

[dreamy plaza]

Ok, is that considering a 60 FPS or a 120 FPS reference?

[full apex]

How that affects specific attacks varies. For example, when shooting huntress's strafe, you have 2 states. Nuetral, or not shooting, and shooting. When you hold m1 you start the shooting, when its done you return to neutral and if m1 is still held you shoot again. So at absolute maximum, thats 1 frame per state, so a 2 frame cycle. Since the engine is 60hz, that means huntress strafe has a hard cap of 30 shots per second

MulT saw and nailgun are channels, so they dont alternate states, allowing them to have 1 frame cycles so hit 60/s max. Commando m1 has an unused reloading state that should never be used, but comes into play at really high AS, so for double tap the hard cap is neutral shoot reload loop, 3 frame cycle, so 20 shots per sec

[dreamy plaza]

Engi Turrets shoot 3 times per second, so 20 frames.

[full apex]

I think stationary turrets would likely have 2 states but mobiles is probably just 1?

Id have to test them tho havent played as a turret in a while hahaha

Getting speed that fast is basically theoretical though you need a LOT of attack speed to hard cap

[dreamy plaza]

So, 10 frames for each state?

[full apex]

I dont rember their exact rates, i timed them at some point. If they try to fire 3/s i suppose it would be 20 frames per shot, with probably just 1 frame of downtime

[dreamy plaza]

19+1 or 20+1?

[full apex]

Frame rounding can cause jank before the cap though like as you get faster and faster the improvements diminish, and once you are changing values between frames you'll get spikes. Like if you take 4 frames, getting speeds of 3.8 or 3.5 or 3.1 will all take 4 frames anyways

[full apex]

If the delay wants 3/s it probably doesn't account for frame rounding between states so id assume 20+1

But i dont remember exactly how the turrets attack works

I have the stationary rate of fire at 2.73 in a spreadsheet i made a while back from timing them

[dreamy plaza]

2.73 what?

[full apex]

Shots per second

Which is 22 frames per shot roughly

[dreamy plaza]

At base speed?

[full apex]

Yes

[dreamy plaza]

I see. Thanks. It's probably 1+20+1 animation.

[full apex]

Mobiles i have logged as 4.62

I dont remember how i timed those its been years... But i remember timing them in game specifically instead of just using the expected rof stat

I should maybe retime them sometime

[dreamy plaza]

Do you know how PI and Syringe interact? Is it additive or multiplicative?

[full apex]

Attack speed generally adds

[dreamy plaza]

So one could schew PI completely on a very deep run?

[full apex]

Some stuff like tonic are exceptions but most stuff would be base, like war horns and gorags should add. Im p sure irradiant also adds

[full apex]

Maybe! I think something else to consider in real runs is that proc items can crit which could add some stacks, though depending on the items coeff the stacks may not be long lasting

I think it would moreso be that there are just better options way before pred is being maxed or almost maxed

I think i actually timed pred equilibrium on different attacks but i have no idea where i put that

[dreamy plaza]

If the turret is 1+20+1, the attack speed effective cap would be... 1900%?

[full apex]

Found it

[full apex]

Idk if they have 3 states or if the shooting is just 21 or something else... Id probably have to hard max them and see how fast they shoot

I think retiming them nowadays could be good as tools have improved dramatically. Its way easier to time things when i can put the game in 1% speed

[dreamy plaza]

3 states or 2, it's still 1900%.

[full apex]

Some interesting things here is like commando maxes AS at 60 since 100% proc coeff and 3s base buff duration, so 20 shots/s is 60 max. For mult saw which can fire 60/s with 100% proc coeff, its 180 ish

[full apex]

Do you mean 1900% attack speed?

[dreamy plaza]

2000% attack speed, 1900% bonus.

[full apex]

Right

Somewhere around there, though if the shot is 21 or 22 frames 20x AS would still be >1 frame

1.1 frames is the same as 2 so

[dreamy plaza]

However, pushing from 30 attacks per second to 60 attacks per second would be very inefficient.

[dreamy plaza]

Yeah. I was typing that.

[full apex]

Also we're talking frames for ease of use but the game uses deltatime which would be in ms, so 16.6667 or so. 0.0167 seconds

So thats the number to watch for rounding shenans

[dreamy plaza]

It's probably delta time.

[full apex]

The game would move in chunks of that so the next timestamp would be like 0.033334 or smth

Sometimes it counts up, sometimes down, but that part doesn't really matter.

[dreamy plaza]

The calculations with delta time are easier.

[full apex]

I like using time instead of frames

Its easier to use the in game timer as well for that

In slomo frames aren't as obvious but the timer is still clear

[dreamy plaza]

0.01667s would be 1 frame.

[full apex]

Yea

Draw frames and logic frames aren't the same tho so even with the game in slomo anims are smooth

Using the console for time scale that is

[dreamy plaza]

0.36667 would be the base attack speed time considering 22 frames. That's the worst case.

[full apex]

Yea, it could be somewhere in the middle. Im not at my pc but its probably possible to just data mine the value the turrets use for their RoF though

Then we could get exact. And you can dnspy to check the entity states and see how its used

[dreamy plaza]

We need 21.995x bonus, or a 2100% bonus.

[full apex]

Now that im thinking about it the inbetween shots delay is probably a proper delay rather than the full fire rate being tied to the shooting animation, i feel like i should remember this more clearly but im not lol

I think huntress's strafe works that way

I forgor 😔 😔

[dreamy plaza]

Excuse me. How much gasoline is enough?

Will kills by gasoline trigger it again, further spreading it?

[dreamy plaza]

48 for single player. 98 for multi-player.

[quasi crystal]

I wanna say no because it has no proc coefficient

[glacial knoll]

it's not a proc attack it's a on kill

It should chain together kills if a gasoline kills an enemy yes

[elder solar]

how does prayer beads work do i like scrap them or what

[glacial knoll]

Losing them in just about every way during a stage will trigger it.

So yeah scrapping is the main method printing them is another but they aren't prioritized like scrap

You'll always get less stats than you should due to a bug tho

[dreamy plaza]

I understand the cap for barriers is max health + max shields, but is there a shield cap?

[glacial knoll]

no

[dreamy plaza]

I see. Thanks.

[tender temple]

shield is a part of your hp bar so it doesnt have a cap like barrier does

[dreamy plaza]

How does barrier interact with damage? Is it barrier, then shield, then health?

[daring cloak]

Yes

Barrier is like a well barrier over your hp bar

While shield is just added to the right of your hp bar

[dreamy plaza]

Wouldn't that make a Turret with a lot of Bungus and Aegis nigh-unkillable?

[daring cloak]

Thats exactly what that does

Though it takes more bungus than you'd expect to get that far because of how much enemy strength scales as time goes on

[dreamy plaza]

The weak link is always me. 😄
I got killed in my last run by an attack from below by a Titan that threw me so high in the sky that I was considered "out of the map" and teleported back.

Except I was teleported somewhere else far away from the turrets.

[dreamy plaza]

I fought against level 99 enemies already. I know I never went as far as many of you did, but I did reach stage 19.
I had maybe 25 Bungus, no Aegis and the turrets were still very tough.

[daring cloak]

Stage 19 is pretty far

Eventually you get so many items that the game basically plays itself so furthest stage count is more of a novelty than something to measure skill

At stage 21 you do get an achievement for making it that far though

[dreamy plaza]

That's what I was trying to do.

[daring cloak]

If you can, try to do it on commando

He has the same achievement except you also need to not pick up any lunar items

So its most efficient to aim for both achievements at the same time

[dreamy plaza]

I suck with Commando.

[daring cloak]

Fair

[dreamy plaza]

Can't send pictures. What's the trick to survive on Monsoon?

[daring cloak]

Practice

There isnt really much of a trick beside improving in all areas

Since runs will play out very differently you need to get used to the different conditions and adapt

[dreamy plaza]

If I prioritize damage, my turrets get hit and destroyed.

If I prioritize survival, my turrets get overrun and destroyed.

[daring cloak]

Try to place turrets in spots where they can shoot enemies easily but where enemies cant hit them easily

Alternatively what you can also do is to just place them inside of some walls

Which makes them able to shoot at enemies but most enemies unable to hit them

[glacial knoll]

kill them enemies faster so they have less chance of dealing damage

turrets are replacable dw about them

[dreamy plaza]

I have much to learn. Thanks.

[white oak]

so my friend had the bright idea to pick focused covergence and do the void which caused no items to spawn after clearing a bubble

intended side effect or a bug?

[slim spoke]

bug

[stable kayak]

does transcendence almost negate falldamage?
I always only take 1 hp of falldamage, and I thought my Jade elephant was bugging out

Conventional healing items wont bring back that 1 HP however, I have medkits and bungus since I just picked up the transcendence, and only a cautious slug works for some reason

[slim spoke]

transcendence turns hp into shield
shield does not protect you from newton's laws

period.

[stable kayak]

Ah, so I only take the 1 HP of falldamage that I have left
Why doesn't bungus or medkit bring back my lost 1 HP, but cautious slug does?
Does it have something to do with Regenerating instead of Healing, or is it just a bug?

I think something weird is going on
I do take falldamage, but its only ever 1 HP, taking multiple counts of falldamage only ever reduces my health by 1, until the cautious slug (or possibly the shield regen) kicks in; so its 711 > 710 > 709 etc.

[full apex]

What do you mean?

[full apex]

Fall damage hits shield

Its just only calcd with green health

[stable kayak]

Yeah, but it only does 1 HP at a time, no matter the height

[full apex]

So trance makes it really really low

[stable kayak]

Oh that makes sense

Pretty nice side effect then

[full apex]

Since you have a ton of shield on top of your 1hp, that hp isn't getting hit at all (usually)

It would still heal normally if somehow you managed to need it

[stable kayak]

well, it does reduce my total health by 1 every time I take falldamage until my shield starts regenerating

Happened on the way down to the null portal in bazaar

[full apex]

Yea since it's taking away some shield

[stable kayak]

Nice thing to know then, thanks

[full apex]

Yea trance effectively nullifies fall damage since it makes the ratio just junk, especially because you can take <1 damage and the game will just show 1. So even with frailty or in eclipse trance basically gives fall immunity

[calm gazelle]

my game gets stuck at 53% loading, any ideas on why

[daring cloak]

Got something to do with verifying your files

[calm gazelle]

i see

[daring cloak]

If no one here responds in a bit you can ask #ror2-modding too

[calm gazelle]

ok

[ornate helm]

does anyone know why there's strange mechanical noises in most of the stages i play i can't figure out at all whats causing it
and it follows me into the character select too

[full apex]

Ive gotten the lantern sound effect to get stuck on many many times, and that sounds almost like alarms

[ornate helm]

it doesn't sound at all like any enemy or interactable or item i've seen

[daring cloak]

Ive had arti's ice wall create a weird sound effect that would linger until the skill was used again... well some of the time at least as the bug behaves really strangely

[full apex]

If you have a clip i might be able to tell if its the same.

If it is lantern, turning off music wont stop the sound either.

[daring cloak]

I am always clipped up

[full apex]

WTf
I meant for the other thing but this is wild lol

Yes 3s in thats lantern 4sure

[daring cloak]

Sounds like a damn factory

[ornate helm]

it happened during the ending cutscene and then followed into the character select too

[glacial knoll]

yeah it's just part of your game now

[full apex]

Something about it probably isn't removed correctly, i have it bug out way more frequently on engi, presumably because the turrets effects might break it too idk. Its followed me into char select as well yea

[glacial knoll]

you have to relaunch

[daring cloak]

Ive also had it happen with some... chef noise? that would also linger permanently until I reset the game

Havent encountered the bug in a WHILE though

[glacial knoll]

it probably can just be literally any effect

[full apex]

We've had rumbles and stuff in the past but lantern is definitely the most annoying so far

[ornate helm]

this sound comes from the lantern??

[daring cloak]

Seems like it if its the same noise

[full apex]

Yea its the sound effect that activates when lantern activates. Normally it would stop when lantern turns off

[ornate helm]

haven't really heard the lantern by itself, but thats a weird sound

[full apex]

I suspect when something is removed while its active it breaks, and its eaaaaaasy for turrets to die or be replaced while under 50%

Its a weird noise. You can see lantern itself gets a particle effect too

[daring cloak]

Same with the arti ice wall thing. You usually only hear it for a split second but it just never ends in some cases like the one I've shown (though I havent tested if this fixed itself in 1.3.5)

[glacial knoll]

shouldn't this issue be like really easy to figure out idk how it's plagued the game literally the whole life time

if all it is is a null ref

[daring cloak]

Would be pretty silly and probably somewhat explain the randomness of it

[full apex]

Heres an old clip i took

[glacial knoll]

it contineusly makes noise?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[glacial knoll]

intentionally?

[full apex]

It has a loop while active yea, so under 50%

[glacial knoll]

that's like not cool

[full apex]

I suspect removing the item or char while its up probably just keeps the sound but i havent bothered to test.

Its a weird loop too, half of it is very quiet esp under music and then the other half is that louder alarmy part

[daring cloak]

I mean the noise is pretty quiet thankfully

So quiet that I never even noticed lantern made a noise at all before this

[full apex]

You only notice when it bugs and sticks to char select lmao.

[daring cloak]

And I aint even got any music because of a bug

[full apex]

Cant have shit in petrichor, bugs stole all my audio!

[glacial knoll]

I've certainly felt like there were weird noises sometimes I guess it was just lantern

Like Ambient noises are rather distinct, the like 2 the game has

[full apex]

Yea. Village does have a weird music-ey ambiance that threw someone off before

They asked if there was secretly singing in the stage somewhere haha

[glacial knoll]

there's either bells or animals

[livid wedge]

So it was the beetles' all along

[full apex]

Sots beetles

[glacial knoll]

it is really weird ambiance

[full apex]

Sing songy

Yea someone convinced me to go fly around to listen for localized songs or sounds but it was just ambiance

[eternal cedar]

btw, which primary/secondary combos should I use on arti?

I tried Nano Spear and Plasma Bolts, but then I lack the ability to instakill stuff I freeze more quickly via the burn DoT (and I also lack more easy synergy with )...

I tried Nano Spear and Fire Bolts, but then I lack easy access to AoE damage/procs (no matter how small the proc coef is on the Plasma Bolt explosion), which often causes me to die because I cannot deal with big groups easily without or bands...

[wide parrot]

Use Fire Bolt every time. The Secondary is usually preference, but I like the bomb.

[glacial knoll]

bombs just better unless you really need more freeze for some reason

[full apex]

Plasma bolt aoe should have the full coeff, it can be nice for later on but fire is nice early and stays pretty nice anyways. Bomb is basically better tho

Arti secondary has always been weird. Bomb was better because more damage than spear, then they gave spear more damage to compensate for worse aoe but then it became meta, and now we've circled back around to bomb being meta

Im really not sure how to sidegrade-ify her secondaries but i think hopoo gave up on it lol

[glacial knoll]

any argument pro plasma bolt is just pro big fat nano bomb

[full apex]

For special flamethrower is a lot better, ion passive style can be funny but it can lead to dragging out fights by not killing as fast and enemies just building up forcing you to stay far away and keep having less output from special

[wide parrot]

I will not tolerate surge slander

[glacial knoll]

flamethrower Could use the ice spear to stun enemies more ig but like bomb go kaboom

[full apex]

A lot of people like it and idk if its just because they dont know how to use flame well, but i just do not find surge as fun as flame. It hurts missing out on so much damage and proc

[glacial knoll]

800% damage difference isn't even worth sacrificing for the theoretical to me

it's more than blast loses over burst

[wide parrot]

Using ion surge passively is the wrong way to use it

It’s at its best when used as an aoe

[full apex]

I respect enjoying fly playstyle but it's similar to huntress as a whole to me. Taking so much longer to kill stuff feels so much worse that it kills the playstyle entirely for me

[full apex]

If ur trying to use it for damage, its just way less and constantly awkwardly throwing you out of position, you should just use flame then

[wide parrot]

I always use it to get some air first and rain artillery down on enemies from above, and when it’s off cooldown I drop down and hit the big crowd of wisps below me

[full apex]

Honestly yeeting me out of position making it awkward to use offensively is the other part of why i struggle to personally enjoy it much

But i suppose its somewhat popular for a reason, its easier to use and makes her kit more straightforward so

Air bombing is funny

[wide parrot]

RAIN FIRE

also it makes movement speed items more effective on her

[full apex]

Pew pew

Doesn't movement make you yeet further?

[wide parrot]

The faster you are moving when you cast it, the higher you go

[full apex]

Yea i lowkey hate that hahaha

The height is enough so having less control is like

Aaaaa

It would be interesting maybe if holding it had an effect? Like you could tap for low height and hold to go up more. That might feel better 2 me

[glacial knoll]

needing to stop sprinting so ion goes less absurdly high is certainly A technique

[full apex]

Wait is that real LOL
Thats pretty funny

[wide parrot]

wdym I’m always sprinting. More height = gooder

[daring cloak]

Energy doesnt affect ion if its done from standstill/walk despite putting you in sprint?

[wide parrot]

The largest problem I have is staying in the tele zone

[glacial knoll]

I don't use Ion enough to 100% be sure but I thought it was

I don't think it's tagged as forceSprint

[full apex]

I suppose sprint does change your actual base speed

So unless its recalculated in the skill sprint should affect it

[wide parrot]

And FS laser cause it has INFINITE RANGE

[glacial knoll]

it do be real

be cursed with knowledge

[full apex]

height

[full apex]

Abusing the bug to start a fresh run with max tickrate is hilarious

[daring cloak]

Neat

[severe shard]

should i loop

i want the mastery skin but also this is a pretty fun run

wait im dumb 😭 disregard

[abstract crest]

idk if this would count here but does anyone have any tips for beating a first run 🙏 I have 10+ hours on the game and I've only gotten to the last (I'm assuming) boss

[quasi crystal]

What are you having trouble with

[severe shard]

honestly just play more

roguelikes are hard

youll die a lot

[quasi crystal]

Ok but if they need advice we can still try to help lol

[severe shard]

yeah true

im just saying its not a bad thing to not have beaten the game yet

[quasi crystal]

Oh of course not lol

[abstract crest]

i always die at the last boss/spoilers I guess? ||the robots that spawn after||

[abstract crest]

yeaa I definitely know that, I've played a lot of dead cells and Hades

[quasi crystal]

there;s no need to hide spoilers

are you talking about the chimeras

[severe shard]

focus on taking out the flying ones as fast as possible

assuming you mean chimeras

[steady stone]

the orb golem and wisp guys? play around the pillars that spawn for cover

[abstract crest]

uhhh I guess thats the names

[severe shard]

^

[abstract crest]

just a bunch of them spawn after hammer guy

[severe shard]

yea

[abstract crest]

that's smart alr

[steady stone]

yeah the wisps are your biggest threat, but the walls that rise can block line of sight

the rest aren't nearly as scary

danger priority of wisp > golem > exploder

[severe shard]

i looped by doing artifact of frailty and wanted to test out how extreme it was and died

i might be a bit stupid

[steady stone]

yeah fall damage is lethal and stronger

[severe shard]

definitely be aware of the orb guys though

[quasi crystal]

the wisps are countered by walls the rest are easy to dodge

[severe shard]

i knew that but im not good at gauging fall damage yet

[steady stone]

the exploders are easy if you can maintain any amount of air time

[quasi crystal]

make sure the exploders dont get near you trhough

[steady stone]

the golems are a problem if your DPS is low

[severe shard]

imo golems are pretty easy to ignore until the end since they dont move much and have relatively easy attacks to dodge

[steady stone]

i play mobility characters like so exploders are no threat

i can see it being a problem on or

but even mult has the instant armor and speed button

[quasi crystal]

they arent bad on rex because disperse

[wispy mountain]

when are the updates coming out for seekers of the storm?

[brittle imp]

Can you play multiplayer even if you never played the game? or do you need to play at least one game to play multiplayer

[left trellis]

There's no concrete timeline yet. The roadmap is the most we have: #announcements message

[left trellis]

There are no requirements for playing multiplayer

[peak jacinth]

they’re not really an issue on MULT as some1 who plays it

[severe shard]

rex moves around on the ground slowly but disperse/bramble volley let you dodge stuff pretty easily if you know its coming

idk why people dont like rex ngl

[brittle imp]

thank you!

[quasi crystal]

it's usually the crowd of people who think osp is the end all be all of survivability (genuinely wanna play the game theyre playing 🥹) or people who think he's bad because of e8 whether or not they actually play eclipse. A lot of people also just dont find him fun.

I enjoy rex but i hate how big his hitbox is

[severe shard]

my only issue with him is land speed

[quasi crystal]

its the same as everyone else though lol he's just giant

[severe shard]

yeaah but his horizontal mobility is lacking

[quasi crystal]

so is captain and people LOVE HIM

[severe shard]

i like bramble volley better than like transport mode but i wish it sent you a little farther

[quasi crystal]

with artificers m1 change does lightflux give a net loss now or is her m1 not affected by lower attack speed

[peak jacinth]

transport mode is a lot better because of the armour, you’re basically invincible for the duration. Plus it’s got huge damage and a stun. But yea bramble volley is underrated for sure

[severe shard]

yeah

[quasi crystal]

ok but they were saying they like bramble more

[severe shard]

for pure mobility i find bramble volley better or at least more fun

[quasi crystal]

i like phase blink better than sojourn even though one is objectively better

[severe shard]

overall practicality theyre both very nice

[peak jacinth]

oh lol I misread it mb

[severe shard]

disperse/volley are also nice because you can fly if you get a haardlight afterburner and some form of cooldown reduction

even though thtll never happen without commnd

or looping a couple times

[quasi crystal]

this really is just bullying 😦

[severe shard]

that is kinda crazy

but rex is also a very healthy character if played correctly

[quasi crystal]

yeah i get that it's just really sad, but also they were one of the first survivors added so i guess it makes sense

[gusty anvil]

does acrid's poison or blight get affected by damage items?

[full apex]

yea

damage items like focus crystal ad stuff affect all ur damage, as long as the case is relevant while its ticking (so like poison damage will go up and down if you walk in and out of focus crystal range)

but DoTs like poison and blight cant crit

[quasi crystal]

does this help with lag or something or ? why does this matter

[full apex]

hmmm

i dont think void enemies should even be able to spawn pre-detonation so

maybe i dont know something tho?.

what is that from? maybe its for a different mod or smth

[quasi crystal]

its just a vanilla fix mod lol

[lavish jacinth]

Is there even a way for void team enemies to exist on commencement before the boss fight? Only thing I can think of is artifact of dissonance, but idk if void enemies spawned that way would be on void team or if they default to monster team

it used to be possible to bring a void infestor there back when drones could get infested, but unless it works with beetle guards I don't think you can do that anymore

ooh wait, it's probably possible with devotion

[quasi crystal]

Its either that or maybe they prespawn void enemies during the fight

[full apex]

i dont think so

i think its irrelevant but maybe it was just something that used to happen

could you smuggle voided drones? i kinda thought they stayed behind but i never experienced it

if you can then thats probably what it was, to prevent them from getting into the fight.

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I've had it happen

and I'm guessing it can happen with devotion lems since they stay persistent like drones

[full apex]

would voidtouched ones drop infestors?

does anything voidtouched that dies drop them?.. or just stuff on void team?

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure they do

[full apex]

what about wake?

or like the aspect on turrets or smth

[lavish jacinth]

I don't think having void aspect would automatically put you or your turrets on void team, would it?

[quasi crystal]

a dead voidtouched player drops an infestor

pretty sure infestors are hardcoded to be void teamed

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, dropping an infestor is probably just a death effect tied to the void aspect

but the void aspect is unobtainable and it would be really hard to smuggle it through using wake, assuming the wake buff is persistent through stages

[quasi crystal]

yeah was just responding to your last message not saying thats the root cause

[lavish jacinth]

ah

[full apex]

i dont think wake should go through stages, you respawn so you lose all da buffs

[lavish jacinth]

I thought so

[full apex]

and void doesnt work on robots now right?

so you cant bring a drone?

[lavish jacinth]

nop, mechanical stuff is immune

[full apex]

so yea it might be impossible now

[lavish jacinth]

well like I said, you could probably do it with devotion lems

they persist through stages and they're not immune to infestors

[full apex]

ah i c what you mean