ror2-game-questions

[tacit summit]

oh ok ty

[full apex]

editing and recompiling in dnspy is a bit hit or miss

but you could look into modding if you want

i hear its not too bad

also if you edit your files and try to play with others it will break

i know, ive tried lol. ive also edited my assembly and sent it to a friend, but that also doesnt work there more to it than that

[opal willow]

i dont play with otheres anyways so il ltry it out

[tacit summit]

is falsesonboss the clubforsakenboss

[full apex]

if you just play alone than you can do whatever you want, as long as it compiles. some things dont decompile correctly, which means you cant recompile because it errors

in those cases you need to do IL editing, and thats more complicated than editing with normal text C#

[opal willow]

yea that sounds compicated

[full apex]

also, you cant edit prefabs and stuff through the code alone

so like i doubt you could give engi turrets an equipment slot that way

[opal willow]

ill figure it out

@full apex sorry for the ping but where do i get dnspy? i dont know what the official place for it is. and the first github i see is archived

[full apex]

oh man i dont even remember, its been a while

[opal willow]

https://github.com/dnSpy/dnSpy is this this?

[full apex]

i think archived just means it cant be edited

you can still download it meyb

[opal willow]

alr ill do it

[full apex]

yea looks like that git page is correct

people saying that even from 3 yrs back so

y archived is ??? but i dont think it matters for us haha

[opal willow]

alright ima start learning it

[brazen sluice]

one of the hardest decisions ever...

[full apex]

is that sale star

[left trellis]

yeah

on viend i would take sale star over a band any day of the week
especially on stage 2

[lavish jacinth]

viend does have an alright band proc, 1100% on his secondary. Sale star is pretty hype though

unless you're like me and constantly forget that you have it

[full apex]

sale star means probably a bonus red on 4

and as long as you dont burn it on a small chest you can prooobably find a way to get an extra green which means it pays for itself

ive slowly come to h8 sale star because its really good but optimizing for it feels so bad hahaha

i love it but having to skip tons of stuff and rember where it is after finding something good enough is annoying

would be nice if it was like 'use on an open chest to close it' or something. even if it meant paying twice the agency would be nice

[lavish jacinth]

That'd be neat

I don't mind the way it works now though. Plus, you've gotta take what you can get with SotS items, lol

[fervent monolith]

what is a "emporium elite monster"

[opal willow]

elite with all elite effects. from ss2

[fervent monolith]

ss2?

[opal willow]

starstorm 2

[fervent monolith]

ooh ye i need to kill one of those

to unlock a character

there is any fix spawn of it or just completly random

[opal willow]

they come in at around loop 3+

[fervent monolith]

what loop 3 should be

[opal willow]

what?

[fervent monolith]

what "loop 3" means

im new

[opal willow]

3rd loop,

[fervent monolith]

i can loop more than one time?!

[opal willow]

yes, as much as your pc can handle

[fervent monolith]

i just have to change the route 3 times?

[opal willow]

wdym change the route? do you know what looping is?

[steady stone]

like the teleporter destination, and yeah, you can change it every stage 5

[opal willow]

ohhhh

[rancid jewel]

what items should i prioritize for viend?

[steady stone]

proc but also burst

it's not so much a priority but a "dont pick up these items"

you want to avoid uncontrolled healing because of corruption

[fervent monolith]

yeah my english is bad asf

[steady stone]

is great because you need to get hit to heal, so + corruption then - corruption

[opal willow]

sorry i didnt understand my fault

[steady stone]

on the other hand can double the rate at which corrupt mode depletes

[opal willow]

wungus is great for corruption control

[rancid jewel]

Good thing I don't ever use that item

[steady stone]

tbh might just be peak viend equipment

[opal willow]

why ?

[steady stone]

Instant healing, and healing controls corruption

[opal willow]

supress:

[steady stone]

You can get out of aggro mode quickly

[opal willow]

oh fair

[steady stone]

And also use it after suppress

[opal willow]

how much does fruit heal

[steady stone]

Either 25% or 50%

50%

[opal willow]

its 2 suppress

[steady stone]

Its more of the meter, not the fact it's similar to suppress

Suppress doesn't lower your meter, just healing does

Essentially suppress only heals you

[opal willow]

really? but isnt suppress' whole thing eating corruption

[steady stone]

Technically

But all healing will lower corruption

[opal willow]

so 50% healing is 50% less corruption?

[steady stone]

Same way damage and dealing crits increases

[steady stone]

I think it's percent based? Been a while tbh

[opal willow]

ima search it up

[steady stone]

Also void items increase the minimum value by 2%, so at 50 perma corrupt

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, corruption lost is 1:1 with the % of health restored, same with gaining corruption from taking damage

I still wouldn't ever take foreign fruit on him though lol, it might have some occasional utility for that but it's not worth using your equip slot

[obtuse edge]

what would yall say is the best acrid build?

[tacit summit]

4

[uncut wadi]

full default

unless you mean items then optimally light flux, but that'd also optimize the fun out of playing so just play him normally

[full apex]

5

to truly optimally spam epidemic

(not actually necessary but its funny)

its already at 0.625s after 4, but it could be 0.5 so

for skills default leap, bite is probably best. bite is really really strong, but both secondaries work

blight is pretty solid normally, but sots kinda accidentally double nerfed it by making it bugged with other DoT effects, and by bloating enemy health by spamming full stat cheaper elites

i cant tell how much i should recommend it still when it is much more likely to feel worse in the current game state. poison also is bugged with other DoTs, but being 10s long and resetting duration on reapps instead of stacking makes it easier to not have it drop, and dropping is what causes the bug. you expect to drop blight by design, its just not important to maintain a stack at all times

if you do take poison then on kill items can be nice because its easy to set up big chains of low hp enemies waiting to die, also a single stack of guillotine is good because it allows poison to kill elites on its own

focus crystal boosts both DoTs so thats good

[willow olive]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-new-year-gif-8371804375768347256

[random elk]

is dmg dealt capped out at 1b/998m dmg per hit

or is that the max it can display

[willow olive]

that’s probably the max for display, I’d assume damage dealt just stops at the integer limit. Which is over double that amount.

[last sorrel]

This.

[random elk]

Gunfire reborn does the same display thing but it actually caps the dmg

so you can't go for strong single shot builds later on and are forced to get weapons that fire the fastest

[brittle imp]

should i take Ifrit's Distinction or Gorag's Opus as ?

[quasi crystal]

id take ifrit

[tacit summit]

whats the song that plays during moon detonation

it sounds like heavenly distorted con lentitud poderosa

[frank sluice]

Lacrimosum, probably?

[opaque rampart]

if i go on loop will there still be escape pod on stage 1?

[livid wedge]

Nope

[opaque rampart]

Alright, thanks

[steady stone]

If you're going for Rex, easiest ways are probably:
Loader speedrun (artifacts and go straight to teleporter)
Mul-T in multiplayer and put the in second slot

And remember lunar seer stage 3 to hopefully choose your stage 4

[opaque rampart]

oh yeah i was going for rex, thanks that helps!

[vale cove]

When it says "reduce movement speed by 50%" does that mean current movement % minus 50% or current movement % divided by 2

[quasi crystal]

your total movement speed is halved that includes bonuses from items

[sonic totem]

Hey did they ever fix the deletion bug when you had a second controller plugged in?

[last sorrel]

They did IIRC.

[livid wedge]

Yes

First patch the consoles got

[sonic totem]

what about for PC?

[last sorrel]

I don't recall something like this ever happening on PC.

[sonic totem]

well flip thanks anyways

I logged on after the big update when they had all the issues and bugs and I had nothing, all my settings we're saved but my data had been wiped. I don't mind getting it back but it keeps reoccurring last i checked

[last sorrel]

Do you have a corrupted profile or no profile at all/a completely wiped one?

[sonic totem]

well i have it on steam if that's what you mean, I still have my profile on there but no data

I'm gonna run the game again to confirm some things though, I'll let you know what's happening sorry for the inconvenience

[last sorrel]

It's okay!

[sonic totem]

so it is true that all my data was wiped but im going to get bandit really fast then log off and get back in to see if it's reoccurring

it'll be a second

okay all good it's not reoccurring so everything is do-able again

thank you

[last sorrel]

Good luck on unlocking everything :)

RoR2 is a great game and it's sad to see some people get screwed over like this.

[ornate gust]

If u wanna get everything faster without doing all the challenges again u can get the realercheatunlocks mod which lets u unlock achievements with just clicking on it

[fresh umbra]

Is there a setting (or mod) that changes loader’s charged gauntlet charge to be a toggle instead of a hold (kinda like the arti hover toggle)? I find it really awkward to use

[ornate gust]

Yep

Mod

[fresh umbra]

Thanks

Is this client-side?

[ornate gust]

I would assume so

I havent used it myself

[fresh umbra]

Alright

[fresh umbra]

this is so much better than having to hold shift

[ornate gust]

Hell yeah

[full apex]

called for backup lol

i put it in my list

side note but this is really funny to me

i didnt know lantern just doesnt work

i basically always scrap it so

[analog brook]

Wait it actually outright never does anything??

[full apex]

if im understanding that correctly haha

but x * x * x * 0 is just always 0 regardless of the other values

[lavish jacinth]

good lord, gearbox

lantern was the only item I never bothered testing because it was so simple, I figured surely there couldn't be anything wrong or weird about it

[livid wedge]

[lavish jacinth]

is there a single item in the dlc that actually works correctly lmao

[livid wedge]

The magic conch

But yeah, the more people dig, the more depressed I get

[lavish jacinth]

even the ones that aren't bugged somehow still have incorrect descriptions

[livid wedge]

This needed a few more months in the oven

[full apex]

lol

either has a direct bug or a description issue

[lavish jacinth]

I'm still kinda convinced that the 11/08 date that was in the chef teaser was actually meant to be the original release date, and Take Two made them shove it out the door early

[full apex]

i havent tested luminous yet

[livid wedge]

Luminous shot is a trainwreck

[full apex]

also i know growth nectar is buggy but havent solved it yet, this image is just whats in my list

[lavish jacinth]

doesn't sale star say it only has a 5% chance for an extra item

[full apex]

i guess that is a misleading description, but the actual function is kinda complicated so

[peak jacinth]

luminous shot is bugged too lol

[lavish jacinth]

at least they got this one right!

[livid wedge]

W

[full apex]

the list currently has 54 unique entries with 2 pending i havent written out yet as TODO

[opal willow]

very w

[lavish jacinth]

0.5 functional items out of 16

[full apex]

it also contains very little MP related jank because its much more difficult to test by myself and by reading the code

[peak jacinth]

doesn’t work with damage boosting items

[trim narwhal]

wait what

so no dmg% no procs no nothing gg

[full apex]

the lantern formula has my attention because its broken, but even if it wasnt it does not look like it would do what it is supposed to do

10% +5% scaling with current hp and only boosting using base damage

[last mason]

does crunder do anything with having fuel cells or no

[lavish jacinth]

no

[full apex]

nop it has no stocks or cooldown

[last mason]

damn

i figured but wasnt sure

[full apex]

allows you to scrap em or take lysate 4free

[opal willow]

does fuel array have literally anything it can do aside from blowing up at 50% and rex

[lavish jacinth]

that's fuel array

[full apex]

fuel array you mean?

[opal willow]

one day ill say it correctly

[lavish jacinth]

we're talking about
or was this an unrelated question lol

[full apex]

lol
it can be taken on engi and it works for the turrets

so the turrets become walking suicide nukes

[opal willow]

super unrelated i just thought of it randomly

[peak jacinth]

basically the damage it deals is pre calculated rather than using variables and stuff

[lavish jacinth]

oh lmao

[full apex]

when they get under 50% hp they blow everything in the area up for 3x their hp

[opal willow]

can they hurt you?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[full apex]

nowadays yes

[peak jacinth]

it just uses level and base damage, doesn’t take into account buffs

[opal willow]

good to know

[full apex]

it didnt in the past dunno why it was changed, but you do need to be careful. also means you as a player need to be carrying it, which is risky

[opal willow]

what patch was that

or like years ago

[lavish jacinth]

truly amazing
I don't know how anything about ror2's code, but surely it couldn't have been THAT hard to just look at literally any other proc item and copy how the damage is calculated

[full apex]

seems like theres a lot of effects that reference unscaled base damage

like lanterns formula seems like it should and chronic does, that might be by design but idk

[lavish jacinth]

I can see it being intentional with chronic, but lantern definitely feels like it should be an overall multiplier

[full apex]

is itt added to the attack or its own nuke?

i havent paid enough attention to rember

[lavish jacinth]

luminous shot? it's a separate proc, not added to the attack

[full apex]

icic

oh
boomerang and meteor are also both base damage

so i guess my thoughts on that have more merit, that they didnt understand TOTAL damage so its largely unimplemented and where it is its described in an overly complex way

yea those are the 3 new proc items

[lavish jacinth]

Luminous also has that funny quirk where it doesn't actually have to proc off of a primary skill, it's more like using your primary activates it, and once it's activated the next damage you deal will proc the lightning bolt.

I'm guessing that's just because there's no way to differentiate whether or not an instance of damage came from a certain skill without assigning it a damage type or whatever, but it's still funny and makes the item even more pointless

[full apex]

woah thats funny

i think it should be doable though

[lavish jacinth]

With meteor I can kinda see the logic behind making it base damage, since it scales the proc chance off of the initial hit's damage. Idk about boomerang though

I actually don't mind having some base damage procs in the game though

[full apex]

the funny is that meteor is a total damage item

its 50% total, and +50% per stack

just with a bonus flat 2k base added on

boomerang is largely probably base because they just yoinked the boomerangprojectile so its basically sawmerang but smaller

[lavish jacinth]

yeah true, it's kinda both lol

[full apex]

thats why it bleeds too its just sawmerang but smol

[lavish jacinth]

wait, it causes bleed? I don't remember it doing that

[steady stone]

I heard it only bleeds if you're holding a sawmerang, but never fact checked it

[lavish jacinth]

wow

[full apex]

if the damage source was the boomerandprojectile component and your equipment is sawmerang it sets the bleed on hit damage type

[lavish jacinth]

oh also on the subject of meteor, can someone please tell me what "overspill" means

[full apex]

which is weird for saw in the first place but yea

[full apex]

its definitely just their idea of what scaling with damage should be

[steady stone]

If it does a bunch of damage it "over spills" into the proc chance and makes it higher iirc

So like diablo is very likely to proc

[full apex]

i dont think its ever described

[lavish jacinth]

I figured

[livid wedge]

Is the additional chance per stack also scaling with damage done or is it a flat amount per extra stack?

[full apex]

it just gains 1% for each 100% on the base skill

[livid wedge]

No, I mean if I have 5 of them

[full apex]

so mando m1 is 5%, railer m1 is 15%

[steady stone]

So is diablo, like, guaranteed?

[full apex]

because 1k% is +10%

actually mando might be 6% i dont rember if the first 100% is ignored

[full apex]

it has an internal hard cap on the chance and damage which is a bit annoying

[steady stone]

If you have 5 then if it does an additional 100%, it's 5 additional and not 1%, so 10% instead of6%

[full apex]

the bottom is for diablo

50% chance and 7500% base are the hard caps

[steady stone]

They're limiting my double nuke

I thought about diablo procs band, blast shower, meteor procs band after

[full apex]

on the bright side it has a 50% proc coeff so if something survives diablo and meteor, its decently likely to launch like a big proc itself

[livid wedge]

No, I mean if I have 5, is the chance 5% + 5*1% per 100% damage or 5% + 1 per 100% + 4%

[full apex]

5%, and 1%+1% per stack

so with 5 its 5% and +5% per

[livid wedge]

So something 500% damage and 5 stacks would have a 30% chance to proc

[steady stone]

Adds up yeah

[livid wedge]

Okay, I didn't know if the chance from additional stacks also scaled or was flat

[steady stone]

5% base + ((500/100)*X) where X is stacks

[livid wedge]

Thank you

[full apex]

note the hard cap does not scale with stacks

even with 10k stacks of the item it maxes at 50% chance

also funny
the hard cap comes before proc coefficient

[livid wedge]

So supercharge can exceed it

[full apex]

so at cap with a 50% coeff its 25% chance, and superchanrge's 300% proc coeff makes it 100% easily

[livid wedge]

And guarantee?

[full apex]

at base supercharge is 45%, so like 135% final or smth

[livid wedge]

Nice

For when you want to be absolutely sure the target dies

I always tried to get it on railgunner and will now continue

[lavish jacinth]

now I kinda wanna see a graph of this, the total damage is on a really wonky curve lol

but at least it's consistently decent even at its worst

[livid wedge]

Plus it has a creepy looking runic eye

[full apex]

yea cause at first the base part outshadows the total, but eventually the total damage gets more relevant

since meathook is like 150% total average if you get aoe on it its decent. at super low its quite a lot but it stays better than ATG consistently

though as a red vs a green i would hope it would. but theres also the issue that it has a functional ICD which limits it later on

[lavish jacinth]

it does?

[full apex]

only one meteor can exist at a time

so even if you had infinite chance and luck shooting 60 times per second youd get 1 proc every 1-2s or something

[lavish jacinth]

ah, weird

[full apex]

it can only summon a new one after the first detonates

also its tied to the body which is funny, so if you die it can get interrupted. though basically everything has a death delay for the animation so it has time to fall basically guaranteed anyways if you die after proccing it

though i suppose if like you died but an atg procced it after 1 or 1.5s it could get interrupted and not fall

[lavish jacinth]

I love how Gearbox keeps finding new ways to do things wrong

why is it not just a regular projectile lmao

[full apex]

i asked about fuel array

i forgor it actually matters for turrets its not impossible for them to have it interrupted. though its still pretty niche

[full apex]

also yea we talked about that a lil bit haha

[lavish jacinth]

bizarre

[full apex]

sots has been very fun from a testing perspective

[midnight grail]

I have set all of my graphics to the lowest, but when theres a boss fight theres too many mobs and just alot of stuf happening that it makes my fps drop, Any tips to improve fps?

[lavish jacinth]

what are your specs?

[lavish jacinth]

exploring SotS jank is like doing an autopsy on a clown, you pull it open but it's just full of ribbons and confetti

and it's kinda funny but it probably shouldn't be

[opal willow]

clowns are not made of confetti

[lavish jacinth]

what else would they be made of (besides ribbons)

[full apex]

probably blood

[livid wedge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EdEC9fpAL5k

Candy

[brazen sluice]

growth nectar straight up doesnt check how many buffs you have until the number of buffs you have changes, so if you have 5+ buffs when the effect runs out, you wont get the buff again until the number of buffs you have changes. even worse is that at exactly 5 buffs, you wont get the effect again till either you gain another buff of drop to 4 and then go back up to 5. basically you get 5 seconds of the effect and then you have to wait for your buffs to change to get more. its aweful

[full apex]

ive noticed jank but idk if my buffs were running out

they werent changing state apart from tonic activating, and it was 100% uptime, but it still caused some jank

so i think theres more to it than that

[brazen sluice]

the whole update is just borked tbh. ive seen studio wildcard do a better job at updating ark survival evolved....

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, this really needed a few more months in the oven

I'm normally pretty forgiving when it comes to bugs but this is really egregious

especially the framerate thing

[full apex]

yea. i avoid doomerposting theres enough of that, but its just silly that basically every single thing has a problem

[brazen sluice]

dont forget the xbox players crying in the corner

[full apex]

its kinda of a lot

[lavish jacinth]

I'm sticking to my conspiracy that Take Two rushed the update

[livid wedge]

I'd prefer to believe that

[lavish jacinth]

it was also a little suspicious that we had been getting teasers every few months, then suddenly they drop two of them almost back to back, and the update comes a week later

[brazen sluice]

they even managed to break half the game that the update had nothing to do with. vagrant balls, imp spikes, mithrix's spinner is still desynced and the arena is straight up missing a wall...

like ffs how do you just straight up remove a wall from the final boss arena by accident?

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, and Homeworld 3 (another trainwreck that Gearbox was involved in) recently posted a roadmap update basically stating that they're gonna be taking the next year or so's worth of updates and cram it into a single dlc in November, most likely with a lot of content cut.

It really seems like ever since the Take Two buyout, they've been trying to rush things out the door as soon as possible for whatever reason

plus they shut down their whole mobile game department

[brazen sluice]

its been the biggest enigma ever since the patch launched. no1 knows what it means

[lavish jacinth]

it seems like it just refers to the damage = proc chance thing, but it's weird that they created a new keyword that only applies to one item and is explained in the very next sentence, so it didn't really need to be there

[full apex]

basically this. its pretty clear what its supposed to be, but its still a bit odd

i think people get confused assuming it must mean something else, but theres literally no other effects on the item

[midnight grail]

i7 3770 rx580

[lavish jacinth]

alright, so it's probably not a spec issue, the game normally runs fine with way lower specs than that. What stage do you usually start having problems?

[full apex]

yea eventually the game just gets laggy

the engine can only handle so much. but usually you need to be really strong to cause big issues, either from like command builds or looping

[lavish jacinth]

some items can also hurt performance a lot, being a big one. But even then it's usually not an issue until several loops in

[brazen sluice]

take two owns rockstar. GTA earns way more money than a small indie roguelike

[full apex]

can be baaad
and by that i mean its insanely strong but making that many projectiles is very laggy

[brazen sluice]

i had and 2 once on railgunner....shit was nuts

[full apex]

charged is fine because its just a strike

molten generates 3 projectiles that need to land, and have beeeeg aoe to proc other stuff like crazy on everything nearby

[brazen sluice]

also has like 5 , , 2 , 5 .....everything melted

ooohhh, i didnt notice the part about the fps issue, my bad

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. T2 might decide that Gearbox's smaller IP's just aren't profitable enough and need to be shut down

...I'd rather not think about that though, lol. Not like we can do anything about it so no point worrying, just deal with it when it happens

[steady stone]

We have a big enough modding community to the point where they could fix it themselves, worst case

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, RIP console players though. hopefully they get the chance to put out one more patch that at least fixes the bugs

(buffs for all the terrible items would be nice ofc but I don't wanna get my hopes up yet)

[left trellis]

the really tricky part about the framerate thing (and by extension, every single bug that arose from it) is that it isn't an issue that would have been solved with months of further testing and fixing. ultimately the reason that happened was because a single compilation flag was set incorrectly for PC, meaning a lot of console-specific optimizations made it in due to, essentially, a singular human error. for all we know that was essentially a slip-up in the final moments before launch that had much larger consequences than they could've anticipated

it sucks a lot, but I don't think that's really evidence of underbaking

[steady stone]

No I think it was more than a single flag from what I've seen

It was a simple fix, yeah, but it was like deeply messed up

Hence why it took like a solid week and not a day 1 patch

They had code that should've done it but didn't work

[left trellis]

they spent more time fixing the actual bugs that made it in. stuff that wasn't related to deltaTime shenanigans

deltaTime caused the majority of egregious issues and those were largely entirely caused by the compiler thinking it was targeting console when it shouldn't have been

[steady stone]

If it really was as simple as changing a value it would've been a hot fix though. Glad they've been working on a lot too, though.

[left trellis]

if it slipped under the radar (which it did) then there would've been a non-zero amount of time dedicated to finding out that that was the problem, and if that process took long enough then they may have decided to delay it a little bit so it could be packaged with other fixes that were already in the works

[steady stone]

They also, sadly, didn't get much play testing due to the rush

Small things like "attacks feeling off" are gonna be impossible to sense without being like Hopoo himself

[lavish jacinth]

also something to consider is that usually, these patches are finished well before the update actually happens. With PC they can do updates as soon as they're ready, but console platforms like to make developers jump through hoops whenever they update a game (iirc Nintendo is particularly bad about it, it takes like two weeks to patch games on switch from what I've heard).

Since main update happened at roughly the same time for every platform, the PC port at least would've had some extra time for testing

[wheat mountain]

does strides of herecy remove damage done via void?

[steady stone]

Strides makes you intangible but not invincible

[lavish jacinth]

granted, I don't know exactly what the process looks like behind the scenes so I could be wrong there, but I'm going off of stuff I've heard from rorr's development

[left trellis]

oh yeah consoles have certification processes that delay patches considerably. Steam is like a rare exception

[steady stone]

I'd assume void hits through strides nowadays? They removed etc interacting with it so I don't see why it would

[lavish jacinth]

Void fog hits through strides, yeah

[wheat mountain]

dammit

[left trellis]

it's still safer than walking through it normally because of the healing

[steady stone]

Yeah, plus depending on the enemy spawns it can save you from getting hit

Trying to escape early after tesla integration is much easier against beetles over bells

[wheat mountain]

void fiend best no matter what

i prefer playing simulacrum

[steady stone]

Ignoring the transformation stunlock is kind of evil lol

[wheat mountain]

it should also know that with enough damage repultion and healing, seeker is immortal in the void fog

[steady stone]

Kids nowadays reinventing the wheel (but the wheel is just helfire tincture)

[left trellis]

you can remove "in the void fog" from that sentence and it's still true

[midnight grail]

Guys pls help do i gst better at medium mode i keel dying to the stage 1 boss

[lavish jacinth]

get as much loot as you can, don't worry too much about the timer

and never stop moving

[midnight grail]

I always worry abt the timer

[lavish jacinth]

it's way more lenient than it seems

a good rule of thumb is to try to get all the loot on a stage, and still leave with more items than minutes on the timer.
Items will almost always make you stronger faster than the timer makes you weaker

[wheat mountain]

1 item per minute is a good rule of thumb

[lavish jacinth]

that's basically what I said

[wheat mountain]

in less words

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, but you won't always be getting exactly 1 item per minute

especially early when looting is slow

[full apex]

if it was a compiler issue its possible there was a bit more overhead that a regular code change style patch

dunno tho

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, did you have any luck finding a fix for the framerate issue? #ror2-tech-support might be able to help

because if you're getting fps drops as early as stage 1 then it's probably some other tech problem

[steady stone]

Generally also just validate your game files too

It could be missing a script that, say, is supposed to delete something

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that never hurts to try

but I've seen other people have similar issues, fps drops even on a PC that should easily run the game

[tender temple]

Why is planula in armor

[steady stone]

It's an effect that makes a calculation on damage, probably

[lavish jacinth]

you'd have to ask Hopoo, but if I had to guess, it was probably just a quick and dirty way to make void fog bypass it

[steady stone]

Well it didn't originally ignore it, no?

[lavish jacinth]

nope, but at some point fog was changed to ignore most forms of defense so it wouldn't be so easy to cheese

[tender temple]

No fun allowed

[lavish jacinth]

tbf it was basically a complete non-threat before that change

[steady stone]

Engineer still got it easy with one bungus though

Vields fog isn't a threat with bungus in general, actually

[tender temple]

Medkit

[steady stone]

Medkit can also be abused still but only if you go back in

[lavish jacinth]

or wungus

[steady stone]

Not used for traveling between, only to burst during the cell

[tender temple]

Just use antler shield to reflect the void fog damage

[steady stone]

Then voidling just obliterates you, with the death message "Get off my lawn!"

[lavish jacinth]

if you antler shield into the void...

nothing will happen because it's fucking antler shield and it sucks

[tender temple]

Commandos on my lawn

[tender temple]

Take it back

[lavish jacinth]

no

it's better than knockback fin

[tender temple]

🙄

Both are going to be really good next update I know they will

[lavish jacinth]

we can only hope

at least they're not unstable transmitter

[tender temple]

That item is irredeemable

Conceptually irredeemable

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I don't know why anyone thought that would ever be a good idea

[tender temple]

It's old war stealthkit but with a worse concept

Why would I need an unreliable stealthkit

Even if it worked properly without being ass it would still be worse than stealthkit

I'd rather have invis than be sent away across the map

[lavish jacinth]

it's so bad it doesn't even want to show its face in the logbook

[tender temple]

That way I can at least keep damaging enemies and lifesteal back to full hp potentially while transmitter just makes me have to walk back

[steady stone]

Give it a brief period of dios invincibility on teleport and it could be alright

[tender temple]

Still ass

[lavish jacinth]

or just don't teleport the player

[tender temple]

Its not a good concept

[steady stone]

I feel like the big problem RN is it teleports you and then just kills you anyway

[tender temple]

1. We don't need another stealthkit
2. It's worse than stealthkit

It's another green scrap when we need more damage greens

[lavish jacinth]

I've tried to think of how you could fix it without completely removing the teleporting concept, the only thing I could think of was having it teleport your minions closer to you when you're about to die so they can be a meat shield

[tender temple]

Like sale star and chance doll are fine utils but like GOD DAMN IT give us more damage greens

[lavish jacinth]

luminous shot

[tender temple]

Noxious is a fun alternative to razorwire and luminous is like a damage green yes but not a great one

[lavish jacinth]

noxious might be good if it actually worked

[tender temple]

It would be good but still hardly a damage green

[lavish jacinth]

luminous is really bad lol
it can't proc and it isn't affected by multipliers at all, it's just raw base damage

we were talking about it earlier

[tender temple]

Like we need more shit similar to atg bands shuriken etc

It's so hard to get dmg in the green tier It's mind boggling

[lavish jacinth]

idk why devs are so afraid of putting good items in green tier

[tender temple]

There's 5 million utility greens It's actually so difficult to get damage sometimes

[lavish jacinth]

I also wouldn't even call chance doll good, because overall it just makes you more likely to get green items

[tender temple]

If luminous gets fixed+buffed it might be good but like we still lack dmg greens

Chance doll is fine

It's coded weirdly but it's still nice to have

[lavish jacinth]

I don't like it, I barely notice it doing anything and it just feels like item pool bloat

[tender temple]

It's a fun green

I'd rather have it over like half of other greens

Not stacking it though

[lavish jacinth]

I'd prefer if it stacking let you use chance shrines one extra time

[tender temple]

Is it crazy for me to say I like squid polyp more than most greens

[lavish jacinth]

nah, squid polyp is underrated

[steady stone]

That would be a downside at that point, without hacking beacon

[lavish jacinth]

not amazing by any means but better than most people give it credit for

[steady stone]

If I had 10 uses on a chance shrine but that's assuming none failed I would go broke if they did fail

[lavish jacinth]

have it also decrease the price then or something

idk, I wouldn't mind it if the green pool didn't have so many shitty utility items already

at least the reds are mostly decent, except war bonds

idk how I feel about growth nectar

[left trellis]

weirdly growth nectar feels like the most "modded" item in the game, if that makes sense

it feels less like something Hopoo would've come up with and more like a fan making a mod was like "what if we made death mark... but in reverse!!!"

[steady stone]

Void death mark

[lavish jacinth]

maybe that's what it should've been instead of a red

[tender temple]

A lot of the items feel like voids

Void berserkers

Void ghors tome

Void dmark

[sly scarab]

Downgraded ror2, now it crashes on boot

[tender temple]

Void stun grenade

[tacit summit]

skill issue

[tender temple]

Void stealthkit

Void razorwire

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-tech-support is probably the best place to go, check pins first

[tender temple]

Void shuriken kinda

[lavish jacinth]

And yeah, I kinda wish they'd just made some of the new items voids, it would've helped with the item pool bloat. They'd just have to make it so that void cradles can still spawn even if SotV is disabled, just limit their item pool to the SotS voids

[tender temple]

Would feel kinda weird for Void content to be part of sots

[lavish jacinth]

it would, but what else can you do

although it's not like void stuff isn't in the base game too

[tender temple]

Not Void items

Void tier even has the sotv icon for a reason

[lavish jacinth]

eh, I don't think it would be a big deal

[tender temple]

Surely we could get STORM items

From STORM cradles

[tacit summit]

imagine storm tier

[tender temple]

I'm joking of course it'd be soul items from soul cradles instead

[tacit summit]

what would it do tho

[lavish jacinth]

suck
(because it gives sots items)

[steady stone]

Realistically yeah it works the exact same way as a void cradle

Since they already have rarity systems

[tacit summit]

maybe for soul tier items that dont obey you

new atg 50% chance to not proc

cuz it doesnt like you

but maybe you could actually cook up with the concept of soul

i mean false son and aurelionite are both kinda all aabout "hm too much soul in one guy"

maybe soul items could be like

[trail steppe]

is their a fast and easy way to unlock a certain red you didnt unlock yet (im missing the 57 leaf clover and want to have a game crashing artifact of command run )

[steady stone]

Drizzle loader

[trail steppe]

ok

[steady stone]

For clover specifically do commando with no lunars to unlock The Long Road at the same time

But still command drizzle is an easy loop

[lavish jacinth]

or the RealerCheatUnlocks mod if you don't care about doing it legit, but yeah otherwise drizzle loader is a pretty reliable way to go

or yeah, do the commando unlock at the same time, might as well

[steady stone]

They're both just 20 stages, saves time

[trail steppe]

ill try that and loader

[lavish jacinth]

...I mean, you can't exactly do both lol

[steady stone]

I think it's more of a "if commando doesn't work"

[trail steppe]

ill play on 2 pcs

[tacit summit]

so you would find around the world and mostly on the path of colossus something like a cleansing pool but instead a soul pool
interacting with it you would be able to fill an item with soul(either random or selected)(and probably 1 piece instead of the entire stack)
once filled with soul the item still works like normal, but every time you use it it becomes enraged(cuz it wants to be free) and after some times it bursts, unlocking its full potential, improving its base effect for some time, until it collapses back into normal item(still keeping the soul tier and being able to burst again)

maybe someone could make a mod out of that

[trim narwhal]

the halcyone shrines are basically the equivalent arent they, those packs are guaranteed to have some sots items

[tacit summit]

maybe

though they are limited to st1 only

[midnight grail]

Can someone actually explain what is happening everyone is saying this game was so good 2months ago and now its bad like what Happeneedd i got this game today so im new

[full apex]

doesnt it do this?

[tacit summit]

basically a new dlc came out, which at release broke the game in half(now its fine mostly), and also the quality and quantity of the dlc content doesnt compare to the previous dlc(for some ppl)

[full apex]

yea

[tacit summit]

it does, not even brief

yeah immune healthbar mod clears it up

[steady stone]

oh weird, ive only ever seen people complain about it telporting them to their death

[full apex]

amazing

i hate it haha its green scrap to me

[tacit summit]

it doesnt teleport and kill you it teleports you in a bad spot where you would die in 4 secs

esp void fog stages, extremely bad against voidling phase 3

[full apex]

or disorients you or just slows you down

its usually either annoying or harmful, rarely helpful, inconsistent to use, and has antisynergy with other items

[tacit summit]

also its unpredictable af

[quasi crystal]

It has teleported me to a lower part of the bridge on commencement where I couldn't leave without dying of fall damage

[frail garden]

Will they ever release rebalances

[full apex]

is the whole stage a viable teleport location? lol

or does it correctly only choose areas for the current phase

[tacit summit]

coming back to that voidling phase 3, i got hit by a laser and got tp'd to the edge that i walked from cause i was still walking and i fell to my death basically

even notcounting that it tp's you into void fog 90% of the time

like in vfields or locus

and that effect makes you lose much more that if you were just standing there

cuz you misposition and enemies soawn closer to the safe bubble

[tacit summit]

theyre reworking the whole dlc rn supposedly

[frail garden]

Hope?

[tacit summit]

they said they were looking over the items and survivors etc

might not be next patch but def coming

[lavish jacinth]

The short version:
IP got bought by gearbox, they took over development and released a new dlc that had a ton of bugs and other issues

[frail garden]

Well I am glad they are taking their time at least

[lavish jacinth]

they fixed the worst of the bugs but there are still problems

[tacit summit]

considering the time they've been doing this patch the def be cooking there

[sacred kestrel]

just got the 2nd pack any games destroying glitched i should avoid at all costs?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, all of the really bad ones have been fixed afaik. You can look through #1279239241616064523 if you want tho

[sacred kestrel]

cool

What are new artifact codes? I don't feel like looking for them lol

[lavish jacinth]

Check pins

the locations are outdated but the codes still work

[tacit summit]

where does the false son go after we defeat him

[sacred kestrel]

I mean the new ones for the dlc
unless those don't use codes?

[lavish jacinth]

oh, you mean rebirth?
Yeah, that one doesn't use a code

you get it by ||beating the new final boss and using the rebirth altar that appears afterwards||

[sacred kestrel]

Only one new one? oh

[fathom haven]

I followed this tutorial to get False son but the green portal does not appear after i beat Aurelionite. Does anyone know why? Is it because i am on Command? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoS3L4TEoDw

oh right i need to get the orb thingy

[lavish jacinth]

the green portal doesn't always appear after beating aurelionite, iirc it depends on which stage you were on- it has to be between 1-3, but the rules are really confusing

here's a chart for it, but it doesn't exactly make things simpler lol

you can also get to the alt path stages through lunar seers

[slim spoke]

yuck

[fathom haven]

waq da hell

[fathom haven]

this is so confusing... I thought i am supposed to active the gold statue thingy, beat aure then go to the second portald and beat the false son...

[slim spoke]

or you could find those green crystals
they typically appear on "1st tier" stages

[lavish jacinth]

well, you don't have to go straight to false son after aurelionite. The only requirement is that you beat false son while holding halcyon seed

[slim spoke]

they lead to a chain of stages with guaranteed portals

[tacit summit]

?

[fathom haven]

so... I am at stage 6 right now (with halcyon seed) what should i do to get to false son boss?....

[slim spoke]

done and dusted

[lavish jacinth]

he ded

[tacit summit]

well he looks like just jumps back into the sky

does he like join providence

[slim spoke]

@fathom haven

[tacit summit]

in heaven

[lavish jacinth]

either keep looping and hope for a halcyon shrine, or go to the bazaar and try to get one of the alt path stages in a seer

[fathom haven]

alr let me find them while im still at stage 6, luckily i didn;t go through the teleporter

[lavish jacinth]

(and yes, it is kind of a pain in the ass)

[fathom haven]

I knew it....

[slim spoke]

whoever put the spawn chance on hyperbolic scale, binding it with stage number are evil

[lavish jacinth]

btw, if the stage you're on has a halcyon shrine, you'll get a warning in chat that says "the storm beckons" at the start, so you'll know right away if it has one

[lavish jacinth]

#theorycrafting is the best place to ask about lore stuff btw

[tacit summit]

oh ok ty

[fathom haven]

bro, after u said it, i found it

holy cow 2000 gold

alr so i should active it and try to get to green portal again then beat aure ass a second time then i should be good (hopefully)

[lavish jacinth]

nah, you don't have to beat aurelionite again if you already have the seed

just follow the green portals and go to false son

[fathom haven]

ah i see

[sinful fractal]

How do you fight mithrix when you're on your 3rd loop? I got died <2 secs in phase 3

[steady stone]

phase 3 or 4? 4 is the one with items

[sinful fractal]

Items

Phase 4?

[steady stone]

for that one you can normally hide behind pillars or something, waiting out his bursts

or try to skip p4 with

[quasi crystal]

You're probably not counting the lunar chimera phase

[steady stone]

the lunar horde is a phase

what is it, first, horde, pizza, items?

[sinful fractal]

I got through each phase in <5 secs. So killing him fast wasn't the problem

[steady stone]

yeah, you have to use cover or loop him

[vague acorn]

Yea

[steady stone]

either using a very tight circle assuming he doesnt have an ungodly amount of speed, or use the pillars/ramps

[sinful fractal]

When he gets your items and since I looped 3 times, best way to survive is to hide out the initial bursts?

[quasi crystal]

Ok idk if I'm going insane but I've not been able to pull off the kjaro skip since the dlc, my friends haven't either. Last night I literally was freeze locking mithrix in the centre as rg and fire banded him right as his execution threshold was hit and and he was invincible after

[steady stone]

his minigun has breaks inbetween each burst

also scales with attack speed though

[quasi crystal]

3 alien heads and 4 lysates

[steady stone]

i dunno

you think i play this game

i am merely a library

[quasi crystal]

No I think you scam freaks by releasing Skyrim every year for full price

[quasi crystal]

Well if anyone has p4 skipped in the last week please let me know lol

[quasi crystal]

What about grovetenders videos

Try dev thoughts ig

[vale cove]

how do infusions work with the engineers turrents, do they have to regain the health increase each time they're placed?

[uncut wadi]

Yep, they need to stack their own infusions every time placed

So infusion is not particularly good

[celest kayak]

does anyone know why pausing is sometimes not allowed until a game restart?

it means the only way to leave a game is to die 😵‍💫

its definitely a bug but still. idk if theres a way to reduce the likelihood of it occurring

[last sorrel]

I usually get this bug when I'm using Photo Mode or something similar.

[celest kayak]

yeah me too. particularly in simulacrum too

bizzare, thanks anyway!

[last sorrel]

Anytime. Seems like the only way to get rid of this is to not use Photo Mode at all :(

Something to do with stopping the game pretty sure.

[frozen flint]

theres a tiny firey thing running around in my stage...its the last void enemy and it just keeps running around and nothing damages it?? how do i kill it?

it has a purple sphere above it too

i think its a scorch wurm? it just wont surface and its preventing me from collecting everything inside the void fields

[minor jungle]

It's probably trying to attack somebody but cannot reach them so try to kill everybody nearly

Had the same situation today but quickly silved by killing other scorch worms

[slim spoke]

thats a void infestor
it jumps on nearby enemies and turns them into voidtouched elites
consequently, voidtouched also spawn one infestor upon death
the purple circle shows the remaining void enemies present on map when theres a void cell

but if it literally stays below ground, then i think youre right, and its a voidtouched scorch wurm

[rapid current]

guys who here is from brazil ?

[quasi crystal]

There's a few Brazilians here

[hidden nebula]

a question, does gasoline make all burn effects stronger by 150% per stack or only the on kill burn?

[left trellis]

only the burn it applies

[hidden nebula]

okie thank you

[midnight grail]

How much fps yall get when fighting for example like stage 3-4 boss when theres alot of shit going like loads of mobs and yeah

[rapid current]

Does moça affect captan m1

[willow olive]

Um.. yea. Why would it not?

[rapid current]

Bc yre

[willow olive]

[midnight grail]

How much fps yall get when fighting for example like stage 3-4 boss when theres alot of shit going like loads of mobs and yeah

[lavish jacinth]

Like 120+

I usually don't see noticeable frame drops at all until at least like stage 10-15

[sacred kestrel]

how does Delusion work with command?

[lavish jacinth]

It's based on the item you chose

[sacred kestrel]

ok

[livid wedge]

The delusion item is based on the item you pick up, not what the chest dropped. If you recycled the item, the delusion item will be the recycled item

@sacred kestrel

[sacred kestrel]

thanks

If I leave a party as the host will the game continue for the other people?

[livid wedge]

No, host leaving ends it

Clients leaving doesn't

[sacred kestrel]

thanks

[quasi crystal]

if you want/need to reset your game mid lobby and are on pc consider getting proper save

[sacred kestrel]

switchbplayer

[last sorrel]

60 (max)

[celest kayak]

hello how do base stat increasers work? do they add on top of whats currently there or add on top each time it increases??

[midnight grail]

Is there a mod that gives u all the characters?

[peak jacinth]

RealerCheatUnlocks can let you unlock them all from the menus

[midnight grail]

Imagine using that🙏

So sad

[left trellis]

what

[full apex]

how do you mean?

[opal willow]

whyd you ask

[celest kayak]

its hard to explain sorry. like if i have something that gives +20% base health does that also increase level up gains by 20%?

[full apex]

icic, like pearl

[left trellis]

it's a 20% multiplier after all other additions, so yes basically

[full apex]

it kinda depends on the stat but for %s they usually are combined into a multiplier and then applied all at once, so like your level scaling will be applied and the % hp will come after so it will also boost the level scaling, and flat additions like steak

[celest kayak]

so is that when taken or like idk does it get incresed gains over time. so would it be better to take base health items after levelling up etc etc

[celest kayak]

oh right i see, so you dont really need to worry about getting an extra level before picking up something that benefits base stats?

[full apex]

this is a bit incoherent but like this is what the hp stat calc looks like

this is also recalculated every time your stats change

[celest kayak]

😵‍💫

[opal willow]

i am never understanding ror2

[celest kayak]

what

[full apex]

so basically if you get something else that would change your stats, its starts all the way from the bottom and rebuilds it to the top. so if you get an hp up and level up afterwards, it will redo it and scale up

if you level up and get an hp up after, it will end up at the same amount

[left trellis]

the order in which you pick up stats boosts does not matter, essentially

[full apex]

right

[celest kayak]

yes thats my question sorry i was essentially asking if itd be rebult and recalculated. thanks so much!

[sacred kestrel]

Is there a way to loop after fighting voidling?

[gritty galleon]

no

[sacred kestrel]

damn

[rapid current]

If u Go on purple portal can u Go back to normal world?

[full apex]

once you are in the void locus ur stuck

[rapid current]

Do u get skin If u win on planetarium?

[full apex]

if you are on monsoon i think it counts but im not positive

[opal willow]

it does

[full apex]

i dont rember if voidling is technically a win lmao.

[full apex]

nice

[opal willow]

wait idk it might only if you do it from mithrix

i should check gimme a sec

[rapid current]

I am só Sad i want into purple portal and i Lost my run

I Lost diablo strike

[opal willow]

void locust hard

[full apex]

locust

doesnt cap lose beacons in there?

[opal willow]

i think

[opal willow]

he doesnt

[lavish jacinth]

He used to

[opal willow]

he does get the skin

[full apex]

for voidling too

[opal willow]

wait

[full apex]

do you perhaps have always allow beacon mod?

[opal willow]

oh my fault i just remembered i have a mod

[celest kayak]

the plan? 😵‍💫

oh plan- etarium

[full apex]

i also tend to use it a lot because no beacons feels bullshit

[opal willow]

it really should be base game honestly

[full apex]

but lore

[opal willow]

magic

[celest kayak]

theres a different combo of mods i use! 1 has 1 beacon on a 120s cooldown, the other gives lysate charges to beacons. quite a nice but balanced tradeoff i think!

[lavish jacinth]

And yet caffiator still works

Captain just doesn't have Amazon prime

[minor jungle]

but lysate in vanilla as well gives charges to beacon

[celest kayak]

oh does it?

[opal willow]

nah

[minor jungle]

yeah, the first beacon gets additional usage

[lavish jacinth]

Only to the beacon in the first slot but yeah, it does

[celest kayak]

oh but this one increases both!

[opal willow]

the mod i use makes it both

also turrets should be affected by lysate too

[lavish jacinth]

They are

[opal willow]

dont think they are

[minor jungle]

they are

[opal willow]

really?

[lavish jacinth]

Only for the first stack but yeah, they are

[full apex]

i dont mind not having a ton of beacons, 2 is enough and having to ration them is interesting

but disabling them is annoying

[celest kayak]

yes i want to make a beacon catapillar justice for gamers!

[minor jungle]

I would love to get 10 healing beacons for my polyp

[full apex]

i assume even adding a cooldown you only get 2 at a time, same as vanilla

being able to stack 4+ would be kinda crazy

[minor jungle]

true

[opal willow]

fun

[full apex]

tons of shock means 100% area safety from anything shockable and tons of stacked healing is free invincibility button

tons of equipment could also be pretty ridiculous haha
just spam 12 preons and delete the entire tele instantly

[opal willow]

fuel cell broken item

so useful

[minor jungle]

by the way is it possible to go to voidling if you playing eclipse?

[full apex]

no you cant do alternate endings

[opal willow]

wait really? i didnt know that

[minor jungle]

😔

I would love to kill both mithrix and voidling

[full apex]

i think false son is allowed because you can loop from there, i dont think you can end early

i know you cant obliterate

[lavish jacinth]

You can get to voidling via the frog iirc

[opal willow]

wait if you cant do alternate endings on eclipse can you just not go to locust

[full apex]

no prupl porbal

now to froge

[minor jungle]

there was no portal so I guess no

[opal willow]

im learning so much today

[lavish jacinth]

Frog takes you straight to planetarium

[minor jungle]

maybe there just no frog

or it's scams you not spawning portal

[full apex]

yooo its our boy

[minor jungle]

oh so it's possible

[opal willow]

good to know

[minor jungle]

commando is so strong he is able to fly freely

[opal willow]

real

[full apex]

huh these are pretty close together actually

never noticed

[opal willow]

you can just fly from each island, just tried it out
kinda silly

[full apex]

yea its all one area

do you have dbtk?

[minor jungle]

oh really

I thought it's impossible

[opal willow]

nah i use aerolt i cant remember all the dbtk commands

[full apex]

also yea it worked

[opal willow]

aerolt is a LOT easier to use than dbtk

but dbtk has a lot more things you can do with it

[full apex]

can you use dis

[opal willow]

i just set my base damage to like a million and oneshot

[full apex]

teleport_on_cursor is very useful in giant areas like this

[opal willow]

that looks insanely useful

[alpine night]

had a run with seeker and 20+ weeping fungus but the healing ticks decreased over time during sojourn, how come ? was expecting full uptime with those

[full apex]

set_pos works if you learn coords but this is easier

[full apex]

sjourn lowers your healing while you stay in it

thats how it forces you to not have full uptime with healing alone

[alpine night]

oh thats rough thanks

[gritty galleon]

any false son general tips/knowledge? just trying to improve playing as him overall

[celest kayak]

use shards reactively! i tend to stock or expend them based on my needs 😋
for example if i want more armour and atk speed i will instead try to close distances with dash instead of using shards, or after expelling shards will if necessary use beam to regen some

you can also have such an amount where you can essentially gain a nice movement speed boost, which can help a lot in specific scenarios 😊

he just likes more hp (not shield or barrier) across the board. it gives him a lot more bonus stats in the process

[gritty galleon]

alright, i saw that the alt laser is just a single shot, im assuming it's not worth over the continuous beam?

[celest kayak]

honestly ive never used it. ive never felt a need to switch as the default beam is so powerful and also has its duration scale with hp

i have no idea why id ever want a burst unless i really needed mobility haha

[minor jungle]

it's worth later in the game because it's instantly recharging about 30% of your max spikes

[steady stone]

default laser scaling is bugged rn which is why it's so strong

[celest kayak]

ooh and safe spike recharge yeah*

ah i see!

[gritty galleon]

oh right is there any sort of idea when gearbox is going to attempt fixing their game again

[minor jungle]

I really love alt laser cause I love it more playing mobile and melee

[steady stone]

basically every use will add the scaling over time but it doesn't reset

[gritty galleon]

it would be kinda nice to see the default laser's intended performance every single time

[celest kayak]

why would it need to reset?

[steady stone]

i mean the first use will work fine, at least

[celest kayak]

i dont understand sorry

you mean it gets longer every time it is used?

[steady stone]

the attack speed should scale every use, but be back to the start with every use too

#ror2-game-questions message

the laser is supposed to "ramp up"

[left trellis]

well no, not really
it's just supposed to hit more if you have higher atkspd

but instead it increases the base attack speed every time you use it

so the effect is that if you have any single source of attack speed it just gets faster every time it's used

[steady stone]

yeah, because it just never sets what it increased back to the base right?

so it adds the attack speed, and now the base speed is what the attack speed buff was

[gritty galleon]

well how about items with false son, anything specific from a category of items that he wants more than others?

[celest kayak]

health!

infusions and if nothing else is better and especially early game, bison

[gritty galleon]

im noticing i want something like quail or just better overall mobility way more with him for whenever im charging

[left trellis]

it uses it improperly
it shouldn't be modifying that value at all. the value it's fucking with is the baseline value that's supposed to be used as a reference point

[celest kayak]

quail so good imo its a must use on every one 😬

[steady stone]

ah, i see. i thought it was just doing attack speed scaling very weird tbh

like it was calculating the AS every single use

[left trellis]

the side effects of this are that it persists between runs and affects all members of your team :)

[minor jungle]

health, nothing that can decrease your max health, and anything at proc chance or crowbars with bands

son can playing good with any build really he is very strong

[steady stone]

[gritty galleon]

so i guess glass is not recommended for false son

[steady stone]

stone flux doesnt fall off like

and iirc shield counts as max health still, so stacking could be good

first gives, what, 50% more max hp?

[minor jungle]

doesn't works for son

[celest kayak]

should counts to son?!

i was going to say i was sure shield didnt work

[steady stone]

does it not?

[full apex]

i dont think its that it increases something it shouldnt, it modifies firefrequency

its just that firefrequency is a static value and it should not be

[minor jungle]

shield doesn't affects son at all so doesn't decreases or increases his wealth bonus

[steady stone]

i was going off of the fact that getting hit with still invalidated ethereal, so it's "health"

makes sense if it doesnt though

[minor jungle]

yet changes max health to 1 so it will decrease all bonuses to default

[steady stone]

alright

[celest kayak]

yeah his stat is hp haha not max health sadly

[steady stone]

oh is it like current health then?

[celest kayak]

hp! not max health specifically

so not shield or barrier

[steady stone]

yeah i knew barrier wouldnt work because of ethereal

[full apex]

yea looks like it uses maxbonushealth

not fullcombinedhealth or smth

this is crowbar for example

which uses fullcombinedhealth

[steady stone]

you just knew the variable off the top of your head 😭

[full apex]

maybe they wanted to avoid it because it includes barrier i think

[full apex]

ive been through the code a lot, especially recalculatestats

its part of what helps having a good idea of where to look for causes when i find bugs

also what caused me to get tripped up a lot on the new characters, in the past most skill functions were in the characters entitystates but for the new chars they tend to have their own controllers with everything in there and the states reference that

[celest kayak]

i sort of wish more characters had unique hp like why does no one have a shield 😢

[full apex]

shield by default could be funny

[celest kayak]

there could be a character that keeps their 1 shot protection from shield but also spawns with a small one!

call them shield…ed guy

[sacred kestrel]

Aegis

[celest kayak]

[gritty galleon]

how does backup mag work with son? does it add another spike or something else?

[minor jungle]

yeah

[celest kayak]

it adds a spike yes!

[full apex]

backup mag spikes work for the stat changes but dont affect the laser

[celest kayak]

which in turn increases the benefits of holding and getting rid of spikes as more = more bonus stacks of stats!

but its not too important imo its better on acrid or something

[full apex]

the stats are pretty nice

[sacred kestrel]

I wish I could play as Heretic without spending 50 lunar coins

[full apex]

also lunar ruin debuff is pretty strong

[celest kayak]

yeeees true

[steady stone]

heretic could probably easily beat a run with just

[full apex]

now that i think about it, i tested but i dont remember... lunar ruin is a DoT effect, so i think the burns bug should delete it lol

[gritty galleon]

is it a bug that i cant slam with headstompers anymore or am i somehow just messing this up

[celest kayak]

@sacred kestrel you can!

[minor jungle]

it's not important but much better at the late game without

[steady stone]

he's console

[celest kayak]

noooo gutted

[full apex]

geez thats a lot of expansion options lmao

[sacred kestrel]

I do not have the luxury of mod

[gritty galleon]

console option is command, use less lunar coins

[steady stone]

[celest kayak]

wake up its 2030 and gearbox made the game so good

[steady stone]

or just like reroll once, see if it's there, check next newt

[celest kayak]

im from the future 😬

[minor jungle]

I do usually two rerols cuz spending 4 lunar coins doesn't sounds so bad (1 for entering newt)

[sacred kestrel]

I still need to run around and look for a newt

[gritty galleon]

not too bad tbh, some maps more than others

[steady stone]

newt has guaranteed spawns, and only so many

it's not entirely random, just random predetermined spawns

[gritty galleon]

also im pretty sure im not messing up the controls it just isn't slamming

[minor jungle]

isn't here location that can sometimes just not spawn newt?

[full apex]

you hold interact

[steady stone]

it spawns but isnt always accessible

[full apex]

they changed it frmo holding jump quite a while ago

if neither work then idk

[gritty galleon]

oh they did alright mb

[steady stone]

iirc it spawns behind the locked door on DRoost right?

[minor jungle]

I guess there were 4 spawn locations then

[steady stone]

you can just go around the entire out of bounds area technically though

[minor jungle]

yeah

[steady stone]

easily done on loader

but not easily gotten back into the map as loader

[celest kayak]

oh yeah i felt so smart doing that once 🙈

[wicked cliff]

What passive is better for arcid ? Poison or The alt Blight

[celest kayak]

poison

[sacred kestrel]

I could really use steam deck ngl

[full apex]

right now poison is probably just better

[celest kayak]

imo. it depends on your playstyle though!

i like his gameplay loop of poising massive groups and with blight you dont get that i think

[full apex]

blight is usually pretty good but they bugged poison+blight+burn and they delete other DoTs like bleed when they run out. poison is easier to keep from running out

also they made more elites spawn, so the hp values are bloated from stage 3+

[celest kayak]

i need to get used to calling them elites i just call them eximus. if you know you know 😵‍💫

[minor jungle]

depends

[full apex]

historically, blight is better early on and has better item synergies. it just feels worse than normal right now thanks to the elite spam

[willow olive]

To clarify, bands are based off of the total damage that the attack does?
So if a 300% damage attack crits it won’t proc bands?

[full apex]

right

[willow olive]

Got it.

[full apex]

just the base skill/hit damage

so atg can if it deals over 400% base before crit/damage boosts

[celest kayak]

sorry do you know any good mods to reduce that at all? i feel like its generally okay but when it spawns a ton of gilded enemies its like. ok well no ones dying so i guess ill run/ignore 😬

[full apex]

not right now, i think there might be some though

[celest kayak]

i started playing after sots so i dont know it any other way but still

[full apex]

theres stuff like this

but i dont know what it does

i just searched elite and scrolled a bit

[celest kayak]

ill give it a try ty! idk why they gave gilded enemies so much health and bonus damage lol its absurd

[full apex]

geez i forgot how much more ramped their stats were. for some reason i thought it was less hp like mending to compensate for the shield but i was wrong lmao

mending is 3x hp, normal 4x, gilded 6x

and the only elite in that tier to not have 2x damage, they have 3x

[celest kayak]

they also have bonus damage……. gilded imps give me back4blood slasher flashbacks

not a good time…

[wicked cliff]

Can Poison crit btw ? Cause idk what item go well with arcid beside dagger and gas tank and ukulele

[full apex]

no, no damage over time effects can

so no to bleed and burn as well

procs are still good because epidemic is so good, so atg and uke are good greens

focus crystal is pretty solid since being in melee range is ideal

razorwire can be funny

[willow olive]

Laser scope. It adds critical damage.
Is that 100% more or 50% more for RG

I would assume 100% since it’s not crit chance

[full apex]

crit chance is converted to crit damage 1 to 1, but scope is just crit damage so its the same
2x -> 3x assuming no other crit damage boosts

so its a 50% damage up

thats the same for everyone, assuming they also have 100% crit chance

[willow olive]

Oh okay. So it still suffers from RG passive math.

[full apex]

its not really jank

its just a byproduct of crit damage not increasing the base damage of the attack
so normally a crit is +100%, so +200% sounds like double, but for the real attack you have 100% base so its 200-300 which is a 50% improvement

its also why crit chance is less effective, effectively rather than buffing all damage like for normal chars, it only boosts half of her damage. also its only when you do crit so something like behemoth is just better

[trim narwhal]

well sometimes scope outperforms behemoth cuz scope will boost bands

[livid wedge]

I didn't think bands could crit because they didn't have a proc chance

[full apex]

theyre a proc item so they inherit crit i think

[minor jungle]

they would do more dmg if proc hit was crit cuz they doing total dmg but I'm not sure if the can crit

[livid wedge]

If they can inherit crit, then why can't artificers flamebolt burn?

[full apex]

total damage isnt boosted by damage boosts like crit

[livid wedge]

But the bands are total damage

[full apex]

it uses the damage before all that stuff, and then has the ability to apply it to itself. it cant double dip the effects

[full apex]

also artis m1 does burn

[livid wedge]

No, I get that. I mean why isn't the burn damage also given the damage of the crit like atg is when the attack crits

[full apex]

because total damage is calc'd before damage buffs

burn cant crit

[livid wedge]

Then why would bands

[full apex]

like if you hit for 100 and crit, atg will want to hit for 300, not 600. but atg will inherit the crit status rather then rerolling its crit, so it will deal 600

a burn from that will want to do 50 even though the attack crits for 200

[livid wedge]

I know they inherit the crit and it's applied afterwards

I'm just wondering what defines what let's a damage source crit

[full apex]

attacks just sometimes roll for crit and sometimes dont depending on how they were programmed, most stuff like on kills or skills will roll for crit

proc items like bands or atg inherit their crit, so its determined by the hit that proc'd them

[livid wedge]

So it's not tied to whether the source can proc something worst

That was my misunderstanding

Thank you for clarifying

[full apex]

no crit and proc coeff are unrelated. i dont remember the exceptions but there are some things that have 0 proc coeff but roll crit and some things that have a positive proc coeff and dont roll crit

[livid wedge]

Frost relic is in the latter

[full apex]

most things with a coeff crit tho just because thats how theyre coded

[livid wedge]

Or so the wiki says

[full apex]

its true and i hate it

why cant it crit it should be able to aaaaaa

[livid wedge]

Maybe hopoo thought it would be a little much

[full apex]

its not a bug yea they just said 'nop frelic not a critter'

[livid wedge]

I don't really see a problem with it not critting, just weird

[full apex]

i feel like one of REX's skills was an exception but i forgor

[full apex]

yea just most items with similar effects do

[livid wedge]

I don't like that rexs primary crits independently

Unlike the other attacks that crit the entire set of attack like captain or huntress

[full apex]

boop is no crit even tho it procs

[livid wedge]

That feels like an oversight

Maybe hopoo did it like he did the regular utility and forgot to add a crit chance

[full apex]

heres a funny one

regular boop technically does damage so it can execute

it just deals 0 damage

it also resets out of combat so enemy shield recharge delay and such

[livid wedge]

Interesting. Can railgunners concussion mines also execute?

[full apex]

yaknow for some reason i didnt expect this

lol

[livid wedge]

I remember reading they roll for crit on the wiki so it seemed like they could also execute

[minor jungle]

wtf lmao

[livid wedge]

This game is held together by duct tape and baling wire. Pretty duct tape but duct tape nonetheless

[full apex]

huh it does roll crit lol

which is extra silly because its used on railgunner, whos crit stat is always 0

[livid wedge]

People give the devs crap, which they did earn their share of, but hopoo definitely did some questionable kludges