gd1-nullified

[zealous lion]

69 would be too not funny

[forest widget]

the chart

[gleaming maple]

its 57 because i have 57 days to live

[zealous lion]

*seconds

[gleaming maple]

[violet sorrel]

Cap mains explaining why they do 40000% dps in the second they want to

[signal verge]

Milliseconds*

[minor tusk]

well guys @gleaming maple is dead

[plucky drift]

mfw i find a 0 leaf clover

[zealous lion]

Captain mains when they get a killstreak

[minor tusk]

4 jellyfish terrorize thousands of innocent civilians

[signal verge]

Interesting

[gleaming maple]

💀

[forest widget]

i ate all the leaves

[zealous lion]

Raiden for ror2 dlc

[violet sorrel]

NO LEAGUE

[gleaming maple]

mercenary

[zealous lion]

Weak

[plucky drift]

what's so bad about wandering vagrants? simply use merc dash to launch them away

[gleaming maple]

so true

[plucky drift]

clearly you do not main the superior survivor

[signal verge]

Not all of us are god gamers Kips.

[violet sorrel]

Simply use the huntress iframes

[gleaming maple]

simply get better

[forest widget]

i like to hop on top of vagrants as mando and just blast straight into them

[winged ferry]

merc has better iframes

[zealous lion]

Simply fucking kill them with loader

[signal verge]

Mult beats vagrants not that bad tho.

[zealous lion]

Or bandit

[forest widget]

i frames🤢

[signal verge]

Just use double nail gun power mode and obliterate them.

[winged ferry]

yeah well multi trumps just about anything

[signal verge]

Skill issue 😔

[violet sorrel]

Mult can just kill vagrants before they expload

[zealous lion]

Bandit just assumes that vagrants have a back and it works

[gleaming maple]

take them to the obelisk and obliterate them

[signal verge]

Bleed my beloved

[forest widget]

just about any survivor can

[violet sorrel]

If you put them below the threshold while they are charging big ball

[gleaming maple]

even huntress???

[signal verge]

Huntress can’t*

[zealous lion]

How to beat vagrant- hide behind rock

[plucky drift]

anyone can become a merc master with just 10 minutes of japanese language study per day

[forest widget]

i said just about any survivor can, not every survivor

[winged ferry]

at least the scrap launcher was was buffed to not be "trash"

[winged ferry]

There going to blow up and get rid of half your organs

it use to be like arti's M2

[wise token]

update when, i can't take this any longer

[zealous lion]

He he he ha

[violet sorrel]

The only thing I like about scrap launcher is using backup mags to get more charges with power mode

[zealous lion]

I find this conversation amusing

[forest widget]

arti's m2 was never trash

[winged ferry]

power mode is great, but OG alt is also powerful

[winged ferry]

I ment that it arced

[gleaming maple]

her m1 on the other hand

[violet sorrel]

If I'm using retool I'm using saw rebar and nothing else

[zealous lion]

If I’m using retool I’m using rebar rebar and hoping for a single syringe

[winged ferry]

saw looks good on paper, but every time I use it im dead by stage 2

[plucky drift]

arti's m2 is great! unfortunately it is attached to arti

[gleaming maple]

same, i just run nailgun and rebar

[forest widget]

there's nothing wrong with arti. aside from surge

[zealous lion]

Surge goated

[forest widget]

surge is boring and honestly sucks

[zealous lion]

Surge goated

[forest widget]

your mom is hosted

[gusty oar]

mean!

[violet sorrel]

Surge goated in the same way phase round commando standing behind a wall outside spawnable areas is "goated"

[winged ferry]

I think if arti had skills* that worked more like her Ice wall when in the air, she would be a better air support

[forest widget]

air support is a dumb idea as a whole.

ion surge should be scrapped and replaced with a better skill imo

[winged ferry]

map wide call outs and map wide ranged attacks SOUND good on paper

the issue is ALL of her attacks are SLOW af

[violet sorrel]

Air support removed the dodging element entirely from combat

[plucky drift]

ror2 doesn't exactly need that kind of strategy anyway

[violet sorrel]

At least bubble shield cant have perma uptime

[earnest prairie]

artificer isnt a long range survivor
its THAT simple

[plucky drift]

wtf are you gonna use for comms anyway

[winged ferry]

bubble shield needs a Health pool

[forest widget]

because you can't dodge while in the air, so you'll get shredded by wisps and stuff. that's where flamethrower helps.

[winged ferry]

the Ping system

[plucky drift]

"grandparent just spawned!!!!" "no shit dude"

[violet sorrel]

"Air support" would work much better on sniper

[plucky drift]

man i don't want that for sniper one bit

[forest widget]

i used it with a friend last week. there were two dunestriders and i said we should attack one of them first

[plucky drift]

yeah, i'm referring to air support comms

[winged ferry]

the issue i forsee with sniper is the Peer to peer game play issues

[forest widget]

that would be so lame i hope it doesn't happen

[violet sorrel]

I disagree, your hotizontal movespeed is the same and stopping your hover and falling can be more helpful than jumping in a lot of scenarios

[plucky drift]

it's not hard to size up your surroundings and things in the distance

[forest widget]

well i disagree more.

[winged ferry]

desync may end up killing sniper

[plucky drift]

if something's significant then it either makes a spawning noise or it's huge

[forest widget]

arti has less control over her momentum in the air that's just a fact

[violet sorrel]

#survivor-poll-overview mentioned giving sniper a jetpack or letting them grab onto drones

Iirc

[forest widget]

i hope they don't do that

[winged ferry]

ewww

[plucky drift]

sniper with a jetpack sounds really bad

[winged ferry]

and using drones to grapple hook is also really bad

[violet sorrel]

The drone idea sounds cool but the gameplay would get really boring after like 2 stages I imagine

[forest widget]

it seems to me like cap's drones were originally planned for sniper. but i don't want another m1 survivor, i want one with fluid movement and interesting variable skills.

[plucky drift]

either you have a lot of air accel and it becomes hard to aim, or you're more sluggish in the air like arti and you become easy to get shot down

[earnest prairie]

fixed

[plucky drift]

nah sniper sounds pog

[winged ferry]

thats ror 1

then green in the notes gives away the age of that lol

[violet sorrel]

Nah that was from anniversary update

[earnest prairie]

there are no skins in vanilla ror1 what are you talking about

[violet sorrel]

I just changed the text from bandit

[winged ferry]

never played it,

[plucky drift]

i want snipey i want snipey

[finite kite]

vagrant isnt even a boss its just a test of your damn patience

[winged ferry]

i legit ignored ror at the time due to it looking like so many games on theplatform at the time

[forest widget]

vagrant as mando is ten times easier if you sit right on top of it

[violet sorrel]

I'm really scared about getting sniper because of how much could go wrong and the teaser that showed what looked to br a railgun

[forest widget]

also you main cap no wonder you'd think that

[plucky drift]

simply don't get hit

skill issue

[winged ferry]

would rather get Han-D

[violet sorrel]

I'd rather have anyone but enforcer

[earnest prairie]

im scared about getting sniper because if he gets released then we will have 3 characters that put you to sleep immediately when you lock them in

[forest widget]

han-d was an interesting character

[winged ferry]

enforcer is a fun MODDED in surv.

[violet sorrel]

I dont like him

[winged ferry]

i play with it 🙂

so is classic Bandit

[forest widget]

enforcer has a boring special. i think power mode is its replacement.

[plucky drift]

i miss han-d ):

[violet sorrel]

He just feels like power mode but bad damage, worse speed penalty, and way more defense

[forest widget]

power mode was done well though

yea

[plucky drift]

he wouldn't be good but he'd be cool

[forest widget]

eh

[violet sorrel]

They could make him good

[winged ferry]

as is in the modded enforcer, I dont think he should be immue like he is with sheild up

far to OP

[violet sorrel]

Just need to give him some proper mobility

[plucky drift]

like loader but without the get out of jail free card

[violet sorrel]

Like they did to bandit

[forest widget]

it's between sniper and chef getting added if anyone

[plucky drift]

han-d would be a true chad and simply fight til his dying breath(?)

[forest widget]

i hope it's not both god that would suck

i want sniper and a unique character the most

[violet sorrel]

I'm sure they'll do a unique one

[edgy birch]

i kinda want new characters

[earnest prairie]

returning characters can go die
new interesting concepts >>>>> old stale cringe survivors

[winged ferry]

I think the OG survivors will be FREE-DLC

[forest widget]

we'll get new characters in any case. the skills are very original from ror1. the character design is the only similar thing.

[plucky drift]

genuine question, how would chef work in ror2

[edgy birch]

i feel like chef is a more interesting/original concept for the risk of rain universe but i'd be happy with sniper too

[winged ferry]

so the void update will have 2 NEW survivors

[plucky drift]

cleavers seem like they'd either need a huntress autoaim mechanic or they'd just be eh

[forest widget]

a boomerang attack would still work.

[tropic fiber]

at least

[forest widget]

they'll be nice im sure

[violet sorrel]

Chef is a cool concept and cool kit in 1 but hard to translate into 2

[plucky drift]

in 3d, they'd need to be huge like sawmerang to be reliable

[edgy birch]

melee chef

[forest widget]

both chef and sniper could very well translate into ror2

[plucky drift]

cleavers worked well as a set-path projectile in ror1 because it was just 2d

[winged ferry]

also if you ever looked in the background of mp lobby char select, you will see HAN-D sliding around in the back ground

[forest widget]

it'll hit twice. that's good.

his special + m1 though would need a redesign

[plucky drift]

i don't think cleavers would work well if they functioned the same as they did in ror1

ok melee chef has my attention 👁️

[winged ferry]

Miner looks fun

[plucky drift]

oh hell yeah i forgot about miner

[violet sorrel]

Miner is fun but he's basically the beta version of ror2 merc

[forest widget]

miner has his kit stolen kinda

[winged ferry]

they can just rework it like they did with bandit

[forest widget]

lodr even has the idea of his unlock. fighting a special kinda secret boss

[plucky drift]

i don't think it'd be too hard to make miner stand out from merc

[violet sorrel]

He has a weaker loader shft on his m2 and rex shft on his shft and kind of r

[forest widget]

merc and loader

and, arguably, rex

and maybe arti for his special

[winged ferry]

fuel array needs more use

[forest widget]

eh

[winged ferry]

its a shame for a equipment item to only be used for unlocking REX

[earnest prairie]

engineer

[forest widget]

it has more than one use and that's more than it was designed for

[earnest prairie]

it would be a problem if it was in the equipment item pool and you could only obtain it as you would obtain an equipment

[winged ferry]

now i did NOT say i want it to DROp lol

i ment for usage for mor then unlocking 1 survivor lol

[plucky drift]

imagine being on your best run yet, you're beating stage 5 for the first time

[forest widget]

and engi

[plucky drift]

and you see an equipment terminal with a lego looking thing in it

and you go, huh i wonder what this does

[earnest prairie]

you can use fuel array on engineer
because turrets inherit the explosion
it's a cheese strat but it works

[winged ferry]

what are you talking about?

[forest widget]

read the above

[winged ferry]

oh does it overclock engi?

[minor tusk]

woah

[plucky drift]

oh my god dude lol

[earnest prairie]

no
the TURRETS get the EQUIPMENT and when they reach HALF HP they EXPLODE and deal MASSIVE DAMAGE

[forest widget]

overclock?

[earnest prairie]

drg reference

[forest widget]

it just does what it normally does.

[winged ferry]

more like a PC referemce but fair!

[frank rune]

is there a command to remove an item from the inventory ?

[vapid bay]

how fast do mobile turrets follow you? do they benefit from goat hooves?

[winged ferry]

ROCK AND STONE!!!!!!

[forest widget]

not without mods. is it a lunar?

[frank rune]

because i was playing some modded shit and im kinda killing the game

[forest widget]

you can scrap it too.

[frank rune]

no, a yellow and a red, and theres no scrappers cause command and sacrifice

[vapid bay]

ooooof

[frank rune]

it sat like this for like 40 seconds

[forest widget]

then obliterate or kill mith, start a new run, don't use command, and there'll be scrappers

[winged ferry]

O_O

[vapid bay]

holy

[gusty oar]

oh

[winged ferry]

ahahahhaha

[plucky drift]

yo that looks like the mighty no 9 trailer

[frank rune]

turns out that exponential scaling on an upgrade that gives the captain shotgun +20% bullets

[gusty oar]

when modded happens

[frank rune]

with maracas, molten perforator, behemoth, shatterspleen, rockets, and ukulele while having almost every proc chance at 100%

is not something the game likes when you impact an enemy

i turned some configs down but some effects straight up dont show

[bronze hatch]

Dev thoughts today?

[gusty oar]

prolly not

[delicate cargo]

According to past releases, it seems they release dev thoughts on Thursdays

[strange hollow]

Finally unlocked loader

[wooden lantern]

what the hell? maracas?

[wooden lantern]

[dire arrow]

this was a good run

[wooden lantern]

yes

now do it in 25 minutes

[dire arrow]

i already did that

[wooden lantern]

lol

do it again

[dire arrow]

make me

[wooden lantern]

no

[dire arrow]

aight

[frank rune]

sticky

sticky bombs look like maracas

[remote quartz]

[wooden lantern]

o

[winged ferry]

What has more dmg output on mult, double rebar or double nail gun

[nova osprey]

Good morning people

[low hemlock]

Good morning

[solid siren]

double nailgun

but saw nailgun prolly the best still

[nova osprey]

I have work soon

[low hemlock]

Back to work

[solid siren]

wait you arent banned yet?

[nova osprey]

And im still exhausted from staying yp 😭

[nova osprey]

Why would i be banned what 😭😭

[violet sorrel]

Omg mass report!!!

[low hemlock]

Uhhh

[nova osprey]

What?

[low hemlock]

Oh hey wait a minute

[nova osprey]

Idk how long I stayed up but holy shit it was way too late bro

[violet sorrel]

I have no idea who they arr

[nova osprey]

Im gonna so exhausted and underperform at work

[violet sorrel]

Oh nice "drunk" messages from 4 hours ago

[nova osprey]

Nah I was just tired

[low hemlock]

Hello nether

[nova osprey]

Like holy shit I was exhausted

I stayed up till 7 the night before

[violet sorrel]

🤗

[low hemlock]

How's it goin?

[nova osprey]

And I forgot how late I stayed up last night because as soon as I got off vc with eno I crashed hard

[violet sorrel]

Latest I've stayed up outside or all nighters was like 6:30

[nova osprey]

Ive stayed up for three days once 😭

[violet sorrel]

Good I'm scared of sniper

[nova osprey]

I started hallucinating bro

[low hemlock]

Sleep deprivation does that yeah

[nova osprey]

Hallucinating is genuinely horrifying

[low hemlock]

Yeah

[nova osprey]

Like I wasnt already paranoid enough 😭

[low hemlock]

But once you get used to it it's fiiiine

[nova osprey]

But yeah I really was genuinely trying my best to type last night

I was just so tired I couldnt see or type properly, and I refused to sleep

[low hemlock]

Just sleep

[nova osprey]

I like forcing myself up

[compact kelp]

[low hemlock]

Insomniacs when they

[nova osprey]

Anyways I gotta get ready for work rq

[low hemlock]

Ayyy jizz

[compact kelp]

how

[gusty oar]

speaking of sleep
how'd that go pen?

[low hemlock]

Good :)
Also hi wakan, how are you?

[minor tusk]

is it a good idea to take visions of heresey on engineer?

since his turrets also take visions of heresey

[low hemlock]

Take strides

[gusty oar]

i'm glad you started actually sleeping and i hope it helps you
also hi i'm doing ok

[minor tusk]

mm too late for that

[low hemlock]

[minor tusk]

but really is visions bad on engineer

[nova osprey]

Ok im back

[low hemlock]

🫂

[gusty oar]

🫂

[low hemlock]

Depends

Stationary or mobile

[minor tusk]

stationary

[low hemlock]

Eh

[minor tusk]

d a m n

[solid siren]

its a straight upgrade on both

[low hemlock]

is also a straight upgrade on engi

[minor tusk]

[fickle grove]

i hate wisps so fucking much

[minor tusk]

hahahahahahahha

hah

cries

[low hemlock]

Just kill them lol

[fickle grove]

how about i kill you

[minor tusk]

just dont get hit

[fickle grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-christian-bale-handsome-gif-13379950

[minor tusk]

good idea

[low hemlock]

This is also acceptable

[bronze hatch]

Combine with purity if you don't have many on hit effects

[low hemlock]

Hello melancollie

[bronze hatch]

Like a 4x dps increase for engi

[rotund pasture]

think visions are slightly better on both turrets

[bronze hatch]

Especially if you have harpoons on him

[nova osprey]

Ive returned unfortunately

[low hemlock]

Back to work

[rotund pasture]

you dont need purity on engi with harpoons

[low hemlock]

Hello lextre

[pastel sedge]

I have awoken

[rotund pasture]

take hooks
and win

[nova osprey]

Im not wven at work 😭

Even*

[low hemlock]

Good morning(?) Creepz

[solid siren]

you are >15??

[nova osprey]

Im 15 yeah

[winged ferry]

Oh...

[pastel sedge]

It is in fact morning

[low hemlock]

Ok nice

[bronze hatch]

Is Nini time

[gusty oar]

what's nini

[low hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/mimir-the-piterroles-gif-22679697

[bronze hatch]

Niis nuts

[nova osprey]

Dude help its cold

[low hemlock]

Blanket

[nova osprey]

Im in the CAR

[bronze hatch]

Be warm 4head

[gusty oar]

what

[low hemlock]

[low hemlock]

Collapse into yourself

[gusty oar]

it doesn't even makes sense what's niis

[nova osprey]

Genius, truly

Issue: Im underweight and cant provide body heat for myself

[bronze hatch]

Nini is bed time

[low hemlock]

Form a singularity by collapsing into yourself

[gusty oar]

oh gn then

[low hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/a-mimir-gif-21449019

[nova osprey]

I dont know how to collapse into myself unfortunately

[gusty oar]

make a campfire

[fickle grove]

https://tenor.com/view/salad-funny-vacuum-suck-sad-gif-21143317

[low hemlock]

It's just instinct

[nova osprey]

In the car?

[winged ferry]

Ayy is there cross platform?

[low hemlock]

[nova osprey]

No

[fickle grove]

wisps blowing away my opportunity for my run

[low hemlock]

No

[winged ferry]

Damn

[gusty oar]

yes that way the heat will not escape

[nova osprey]

True

I dont have the materials to do so at the moment

If I did I totally would

[steel yacht]

lmao

[fickle grove]

connect a tube from your exhuast into your car and close all the windows

[nova osprey]

Genius

[steel yacht]

i was just searching my youtube recommendations and i found this https://youtu.be/6DA-jIu3CYc

[low hemlock]

Hello engineer

[exotic geyser]

where are the dev thoughts

[gusty oar]

soon

[nova osprey]

Non existant

[fickle grove]

jan 31st

[low hemlock]

Gone, I ate them

[exotic geyser]

did they stop thinking

[abstract stump]

im 13

[low hemlock]

Yes

[fickle grove]

he eated them, :(

[nova osprey]

Wackin’

[nova osprey]

😨

[fickle grove]

People tell me to go outside

[abstract stump]

WHO THE FUCK IS UMBRA

[nova osprey]

Go outside

[abstract stump]

seem like a generic "op" roblox oc

[fickle grove]

I CANT EATED GRASS :(

[nova osprey]

UHHH

[abstract stump]

or some other shit that i'm apparently "not cultured" enough to know

[nova osprey]

Vomit it back up

[steel yacht]

a thing that is there when solar eclipse happens but in roblox TDS its a boss

[low hemlock]

Their thoughts were very uhh moist

[nova osprey]

Easy?

HAHAHAA

[gusty oar]

it's december there's snow everywhere

[abstract stump]

sound shit

[exotic geyser]

[nova osprey]

😭

[abstract stump]

anything relating to roblox is probably awful or something

[long ravine]

Moo :(

[nova osprey]

I usually play it to mess with kids

[low hemlock]

😭

[steel yacht]

well yes but that's not the case with TDS

[nova osprey]

Bit there’s a few games on there that’re pretty fun

[gusty oar]

it's not december wakan

[abstract stump]

i remember there being a hotline miami fps roblox game ripoff

[steel yacht]

yeah just a little

[nova osprey]

There was

[abstract stump]

i just listen to carpenter brut music

[dapper quartz]

dmentia

[nova osprey]

I play project lazarus a lot

[low hemlock]

It's winter tho
Might as well be December

[abstract stump]

when i blast children virtual character brain out from 50 meters away

[flat swan]

Yo if these dev notes aren’t in by tomorrow

[nova osprey]

Even though its rip off cod I like bullying the bad people

[flat swan]

Ima have to step in

[nova osprey]

LOL

[low hemlock]

F, they fail the class

[long ravine]

If it was december we would have to wait longer for Elden Ring

[fickle grove]

true i might have to intervine

[gusty oar]

what are you going to do??? think for them??

[abstract stump]

dude it should be fucking like titanfall 2 since hotline miami is FAST PACED AS FUCK

[flat swan]

No

[fickle grove]

step in

[flat swan]

I will intervene

[fickle grove]

see wolf understands

[low hemlock]

Don't worry, new release date is February 30th

[nova osprey]

Arsenal is good too, lots of exploiters and tryhards though

[long ravine]

[flat swan]

Bandit simp??

[nova osprey]

Me!

[flat swan]

What about mithrix

[nova osprey]

I had to rebrand due to my name being tarnished 😭

[abstract stump]

also

[low hemlock]

Tarnished you say?

[nova osprey]

They all slandered my name 😭

[abstract stump]

i search up hotline miami on roblox
what the fuck does this shitty fnf oc have to do with hotline miami

[nova osprey]

Wtf 😭

[steel yacht]

a

[storm forge]

[nova osprey]

As much as I hate admitting it, I play funky friday as well

[abstract stump]

what

[nova osprey]

Im too good at it 😨

[abstract stump]

the fuck
is a funky friday

[nova osprey]

Fnf game on roblox

[low hemlock]

Robocls fnf game

[nova osprey]

Yeahhhh

[remote depot]

last night was a friday night

were you funkin?

[abstract stump]

i might try arsenal

i heard things about it

[gusty oar]

no

nothimbg happwed

[icy heart]

penfolder wanna terraria

[abstract stump]

arsenal is too slow

for me atleast

yeah its definitely slow as fuck

[mighty wing]

the dev thoughts will be coming soon . . .

[long ravine]

Dev thoughts probably next thursday

[gusty oar]

wdym what

where did you go

come back

[long ravine]

Yeah I'm confused too

[gusty oar]

frog

[long ravine]

What was that lmao

[willow bridge]

21

[gusty oar]

why am i not hyped for dev thoughts

[carmine kettle]

no guys it's coming jonathan is just late haha dies of copium

[remote depot]

the new survivor was the friends we made along the way

[gusty oar]

are you friend

[remote depot]

i think i am

[gusty oar]

good i'm ok with that

[storm forge]

Phantom forces is the only good roblox game

[carmine kettle]

the new survivor is jacob

[prime lotus]

jacob

[carmine kettle]

😄

[remote depot]

wooo

[gusty oar]

i know jacob

[prime lotus]

applause for jacob

[remote depot]

thank you everyone

[carmine kettle]

👏

[prime lotus]

👏

[gusty oar]

👏

[mighty wing]

👏

[long ravine]

👏

[remote depot]

my passive is gaining 10000 defense in rallypoint delta

[solid siren]

its true tho

[carmine kettle]

your m1 shoots miniature rallypoint deltas I think

[remote depot]

yeah

[long ravine]

Yeah it's kinda confirmed for next thursday

[remote depot]

my m1 shoots a whole bunch of fans

[carmine kettle]

And ur utility takes out a ralsei to use as a meat shield probably

so kinda like enforcer

[remote depot]

no my m2 throws ralsei deltarune at the enemy for 10k damage

[storm forge]

thursday is so far away tho

[long ravine]

6 days

[carmine kettle]

you can have both!

[long ravine]

No, 5 days

[remote depot]

and my special summons in minecraft steve

[carmine kettle]

insane

[gusty oar]

meat shields are gross and mean to the person you're using
would not recommend 0/10

[carmine kettle]

brainstalks on jacob would be rly good

[high mango]

👏

[gusty oar]

👏

sure i'll clap again

[carmine kettle]

respectfully disagree but I respect your opinion

[gusty oar]

thank you for being so nice :)

[carmine kettle]

💖

[gusty oar]

♥️

[pastel sandal]

is it possible to do piercing wind (don't fall below 100% health until 3rd stage as huntress) w transcendence

[gusty oar]

nah

but you can stack barrier!

[pastel sandal]

yeah I'm stacking topaz brooch as well

[gusty oar]

👍

[pastel sandal]

so transcendence shield counts as health

[gusty oar]

yeas

[pastel sandal]

that's so weird

[gusty oar]

ehhh idk not really

[misty forum]

Wakan

[gusty oar]

yeah i

[remote quartz]

wakan

[gusty oar]

yeah that's i'm

[misty forum]

Wakan

[long ravine]

Dingus

[misty forum]

@long ravine

[gusty oar]

HIFU

[misty forum]

Wample

[livid halo]

hoofer

[low hemlock]

Sure

[gusty oar]

krakenautical

[misty forum]

Penfolder

[icy heart]

let me finish this floor

[low hemlock]

Aight

[storm forge]

[low hemlock]

Ok

Phxred1

[plain hull]

Bandit is S-teir change my mind

[gusty oar]

that's an ok opinion

[neat ruin]

as everyone else really

[icy heart]

look at the beauty that is this run

[plain hull]

Holy shit i forgot abot that game

Thats still my ps theme

[low hemlock]

At the end of the day
Every survivor becomes

[solid siren]

no need

[plain hull]

All of the best characters imo are: bandit, heretic, huntress, loader, and captain

[dire arrow]

1 of these is extremely controversial

[abstract cloud]

(oh no)

[plain hull]

Yes i know

[dire arrow]

k

[neat ruin]

oh no
someone called huntress good

[solid siren]

1 of those is wrong too

[neat ruin]

hide

[low hemlock]

Hi coffeerow :)

[plain hull]

The thing about huntress is she has one of if not the highest damage potential in the game

[white kelp]

this is why we need to nerf huntress

[white kelp]

[dire arrow]

engineer

[icy heart]

huntress is poopy

[white kelp]

yeah huntress has the highest damage potential in the game if you give her all of the items and nobody else any
this is why we need to nerf her

[neat ruin]

yeah when you
slap a crowdfunder on her

[abstract cloud]

hi penfolder!! what are you up to?

[icy heart]

how so?

cause max crit flurry is just worse captian shotgun

[dire arrow]

she still doesnt have the natural 25% extra damage that engineer has

[plain hull]

Well her attacks have 100 accuracy first of all

[low hemlock]

Uhh gamering, how are you?

[icy heart]

not all of them and just aim + skill issue

[plain hull]

Her mortar is really good single target damage and her glaive is good aoe

[icy heart]

what mortar?

[neat ruin]

huntress but bombardier

[plain hull]

She has good mobility

[low hemlock]

No

[solid siren]

get it

[dire arrow]

engineer has a much better damage potential

[low hemlock]

Huntress has the lowest damage out of all of the survivors

[abstract cloud]

godspeed
just hanging out!! gonna be up to some stuff later but for now im just resting o<-<

[white kelp]

the best damage potential in the game is just getting headstompers or clover with crowdfunder

[plain hull]

Tf are you on

[white kelp]

she actually does

[icy heart]

i mean here let me make a list of more mobile characters, Acrid, powernail mult, loader, mercenary

[icy heart]

yeah pens right

lowest max hp lowest dps ah yes

stronk

[dire arrow]

she has the best damage consistency but one of the lowest damage potentials

[icy heart]

im ready now penfolder (he folds pens)

[sinful plover]

she literally does

[low hemlock]

Good mobility but like
That doesn't translate to damage

[icy heart]

also wax quail exists

[white kelp]

MUL-T kinda sucks

[dire arrow]

?

[icy heart]

mults kinda a chad

[sinful plover]

that monsterskinman guy looks really stupid

[white kelp]

it's why I main him (for the challenge)

[dire arrow]

mul-t is downright overpowered rn

[sinful plover]

mult is the strongest character

[plain hull]

Defense wise yes

[sinful plover]

beside heretic but she doesn't count since she is a bird and birds aren't real

[icy heart]

he spend 10 hours listening to sigma subliminals

[sinful plover]

he also has really high damage and procs

[random mulch]

Wrong

[low hemlock]

Aight

[plain hull]

A fellow huntress believer

[solid siren]

[sinful plover]

Ok here is the deal, buster brown. We hate hunterness mains because it's our job. They are objectively inferior as human beings and morally corrupt. According to the arch bishop of sin representing spreadsheets, it is predicted in the gospel that hunterness will bring downfall upon us all due to her sheer inferiority. She is the only character in the entire game that can have a loadout with no 1.0 proc coefficients, utterly useless and succumbing to sloth. It makes my brain fucking tremble to think that someone could main hunterness. Truly... truly... TRULY baffling and impossible that she could ever be as useful as Mul-t. Why should I go about letter her exist when I can wipe her from existence and rid the world of the primordial evil known as hunterness. You just have to see the light to understand. Hop on gd1.(edited)

[winged ferry]

Huntress is strongest if played right

[dire arrow]

at least before the 1.0 buffs mul-t had some clunkiness to hold him back but now all of the is gone too and just makes everyone else feel bad by comparison

[sinful plover]

that can apply to literally anyone technically.

so that means nothing

[winged ferry]

Exactly :D

[random mulch]

Except huntress

[winged ferry]

Commando best character change my mind

[plain hull]

Commando is okay

[sinful plover]

see if you play every character besides huntress really badly but then play huntress really well then she's technically the best character

[misty forum]

Piss

[white kelp]

commando is more fun than loader so

[dire arrow]

i love that the moment there is more than one enemy arrow rain gets way better

[low hemlock]

Heretic is the best character change my mind

[plain hull]

Everything he does is done better than pretty much everyone else

[random mulch]

"Huntress actually has really good dps if you look at just her without comparing to other characters"

[hidden saddle]

basically huntress

[sinful plover]

unfortunately it will be worse in actual gameplay because enemies move

[sinful plover]

"huntress has higher dps than merc if merc doesn't attack"

[dire arrow]

bosses barely move

[plain hull]

I have yet to unlock rex because i keep using blood shrines like an idiot

[dire arrow]

and enemies are prone to walking into it as well so enemies moving is negligible id say

[plain hull]

Merc is lokey ass

[winged ferry]

Skill issue

[dire arrow]

huntress has good consistency when it comes to dps
and her multitarget dps is a bit better than her atrocious single target dps

[plain hull]

Bruh i beat the game with merc many times i used to main him

[dire arrow]

but yes it is low and takes long to kill stuff as huntress

[sinful plover]

you're probably just bad at merc honestly (this isn't even a joke merc is the highest skill cap character so you sort of need to know what you're doing)

[winged ferry]

Then you should know, he is good

[solid siren]

this doesnt mean anything

[winged ferry]

Also true

[sinful plover]

yeah but do you know the techs for merc?

[spark terrace]

someone get the “but unfortunately you have the huntress role” gif

[wide patio]

Fuck you hopoo

[solid siren]

printing croggles as bandit 🤨

[plain hull]

Hes high skill but due to him being a melee character its harder to survive

[dire arrow]

bandits stop taking crits challenge success

[winged ferry]

Bandit is a character?

[wide patio]

not the problem

[hidden saddle]

not really

[plain hull]

Hes good i just dont like him as much as others

[winged ferry]

Who do you main now?

[spark terrace]

skissue

[plain hull]

No one really tbh

[dire arrow]

range does help a character more than people think but most melee characters have something to help them survive up close as well so...

[wide patio]

Imma be honest I don't think he's high tier

[sinful plover]

also merc has massive hitboxs on his attacks

[wide patio]

he's good but not amazing

[sinful plover]

like have you seen the hitbox for the third hit of m1

[dire arrow]

merc is pretty good
id say about as good as huntress

[dire arrow]

maybe a bit better

[sinful plover]

the objective tierlist

[wide patio]

merc's regen was nerfed specifically to make him a more high skill survivor

[dire arrow]

i know

he still has evis

[hidden saddle]

true i think chris christodoulou makes all the characters at least a B

[wide patio]

oh yeah also merc can't use drones

cuz they remove his debuff

[plain hull]

Slicing winds better

[dire arrow]

he can
but they do get in his way a lot

[sinful plover]

that's not that big of a deal

[wide patio]

still a downside

[sinful plover]

based opinion

[solid siren]

based yes

based fact

[random mulch]

🧐

[spark terrace]

most based tierlist

[neat ruin]

rex kinda low

[plain hull]

Evis is good because of the i frames but slicing winds is still better

[sinful plover]

the merc m1 hitbox

[neat ruin]

but aight one

[dire arrow]

im shocked people dont put engineer higher

[half bison]

I'm gonna make a tierlist but just make it memeable

[spark terrace]

ok i admit i just have a rex skill issue

[wide patio]

so this is a flipped tier list right

[ivory hazel]

focused assault better cuz i like it more

[spark terrace]

pfft

[plain hull]

Yo did not put acrid above merc

[winged ferry]

Bungus gets stolen in multi that's why

[half bison]

Giving engi the rank of mushroom addict

[spark terrace]

i like acrid. what can i say.

[dense kindle]

Mogus

[wide patio]

just ask them not to lmao

[half bison]

Space dog

[dire arrow]

engineer does not need bungus to survive

[plain hull]

Acrid is so bad in ror2

[winged ferry]

There is voice chat!?

[misty forum]

Ok

[neat ruin]

he's aight

[wide patio]

you're playing with randos???????????????????

[winged ferry]

I've never played as acrid

[neat ruin]

not the undisputed amazingness he was in ror1

[dense kindle]

Engineer needs gun. And if that don’t work, use more gun.

[winged ferry]

You have friends?

[neat ruin]

but aight

[half bison]

Does not NEED it... But damn is it useful to have.

[dire arrow]

its nice

[dire arrow]

you only need like 2-3 tho

any more is a bit excessive

[winged ferry]

PlayStation tho

[half bison]

Oh yeah you only really need that many any more is a bit overkill

[white kelp]

he's slow, damage is pretty meh without turrets and turrets in the first place are overrated by a lot of newer players

[winged ferry]

It's hard out there

[dense kindle]

Damn i also have a fren named buffoon

[white kelp]

a lot of people say it's 3x more value out of every item but it's only for a few

[plain hull]

Popular opinion focused assault is really fucking bad

[signal ember]

its definitely not bad

[dire arrow]

well you do get more value out of bleed than anyone else

[random mulch]

Engi with fuel array and 3 dios

[rotund pasture]

listen bungus gets triple the value on engi
but triple of a zero is still zero

[solid siren]

i think mando > engi

[half bison]

Of course if you find a 3d printer for shrooms i like getting like 5 extra just because big green ring make brain go happy

[dire arrow]

on a fun scale sure

[winged ferry]

Agreed

[plain hull]

Way worse than the other option

[white kelp]

Engineer feels like the worst character to fall behind on

[signal ember]

its not way worse

[wide patio]

this is true yeah

[white kelp]

like if you get outscaled as engi it's the harshest out of any character

[dense kindle]

Then don’t fall behind

[neon stirrup]

ok so that missle item that has the chance to shoot on hit

[hidden saddle]

that's the small one right

[dire arrow]

bandoliers are a godsend for engineer

[solid siren]

its slightly worse cause you cant cancel it, sometimes its better in groups so its a good sidegrade imo

[neon stirrup]

does more stacks increase the chance or the damage?

[wide patio]

I feel like a good run with engi is a REALLY good run but a bad run bends you over harder than most

[dense kindle]

Be a menace to society

[half bison]

Engineer just plays completely differently from all of the others so its different to play

[plain hull]

It really is its kinda useless it fucks up mercs entire rotation tbh

[solid siren]

damage

[sinful plover]

turrets can steal ammo drops iirc

[forest widget]

BRUHG

[dense kindle]

More ATGs boost the damage

[forest widget]

😼

[half bison]

Engi just takes a hot while to get used to

[wide patio]

you can only influence chance with a clover or purity

[dire arrow]

i think you are right about that but every ammo pack is a replacement turret

[winged ferry]

I still gotta find a character to main, hard live choices

[signal ember]

I mean you can work around it
But yes it is not as good to use with slicing winds

[wide patio]

😳

[dense kindle]

🤨

[signal ember]

remove hunterness

[winged ferry]

runs

[dire arrow]

and when your quickest skills have 8 seconds of cooldown a full recharge is invaluable

[half bison]

Here's the real question you ever get a full ten bleed daggers on engineer? Now thats how you melt a boss

[wide patio]

ok heretic

[forest widget]

i agree engi is very demanding in skill and he has a lot of cool tricks and he's pretty hard tbh

[signal ember]

color

[wide patio]

No I feel like engi is more a luck than skill character

[white kelp]

problematic

[half bison]

In multiplayer though engineer is pretty much an essential

[neon stirrup]

i have been a good overlord, i didn't inflict harm on the people at the supermarket for standing too close to me and my father without facemasks and the 1 person that shoved me out of the way at the bread section, therfore, i'm going to reward myself with a command run, and NONE OF YOU, can judge me. cause i've earned this

[dense kindle]

Moving turrets are cool yeah

[plain hull]

Ight to uh lokey once i unlock him i might main rex

[sinful plover]

harpoons exist

[winged ferry]

And I just put all the characters there which I have beaten Monsoon with, so yeah

[forest widget]

no.

[signal ember]

Im proud

[dense kindle]

Ok.

[dire arrow]

harpoons also stop mines from recharging

[dense kindle]

Harpoons funny

[forest widget]

judged tbh

[plain hull]

Ive never met someone who mains rex

[solid siren]

get hooks 😼

[winged ferry]

What does commando's second secondary do different again

[sinful plover]

this tbh

[dire arrow]

nah

[half bison]

Tbh i never liked the harpoons. I like having the emergency shield for worst case scenarios. Even if it is easily countered

[solid siren]

infinite hooks is balanced i swear guys

[neon stirrup]

i'll judge your spleen you keep this train of thought up

[dense kindle]

Its like a shotgun blast i guess?

[dire arrow]

i like spamming mines to cover 20 miles of land

[dense kindle]

As opposed to a funny pierce beam

[sinful plover]

going into target painting mode and immediately exiting resets hooks cooldown
basically, infinite use of hooks
which is a stupidly overpowered skill

[half bison]

This guy? Now this guy gets it

[forest widget]

🤨🧑‍⚖️

[wide patio]

removes your bungus

[plain hull]

What do rexs abilitys do?

[silent wadi]

Kill you

[dense kindle]

Damage

[solid siren]

bungus

[neon stirrup]

plant fuckery

[silent wadi]

All of them
They all kill you

[dense kindle]

To you and enemies

[winged ferry]

Poison.

[wide patio]

a balance of healing to damage yourself for big damage

[half bison]

[dense kindle]

The cool ones tho

[naive lantern]

disappointing/no damage vs. actually useful abilities that hurt you

[dire arrow]

i also like being able to make my turrets extra safe by placing them in a place where they arent easily accessible to melee like an elevated rock and then throwing a shield on them to protect from ranged attacks

[plain hull]

Sounds pretty good tbh

[forest widget]

rex is a lunar survivor because he deals damage to you

[dense kindle]

Pampering ur gun babies

[winged ferry]

If used correctly, very good

[half bison]

Gonna be honest i have like 100+ hours in the game and i just can't will myself to go and get rex

[dire arrow]

rex unlock can be pain

[winged ferry]

Took me about 50 hour

[naive lantern]

i'd argue rex is close to lodr/mul-t tier but I'm biased on base healing in itemless

[forest widget]

it's so free tho

[winged ferry]

Gonna play as REX i guess

[dire arrow]

rex to me just feels like better commando and huntress combined

[forest widget]

weird phrasing but sure

[plain hull]

Overloading worm is harder than mithrix

[forest widget]

maybe

[dense kindle]

Kinda

[half bison]

I mean in terms of difficulty it can be done pretty easy, i can speedrun to the level with bandit in like ten minutes tops if i play hella aggressive, but i just know i won't like the characters playstyle so i never bothered

[dire arrow]

rex has better kiting tools than huntress and better spam at range than commando

[silent wadi]

You also say that mercanary and huntress are on the same tier

[forest widget]

you haven't played rex yet though

[dense kindle]

Curious

[plain hull]

B-A teir tbh

[forest widget]

huntress has better kiting tbh

[half bison]

No but i have seen footage. I prefer my health to not always be moving up and down at all times

[forest widget]

your loss i guess

[signal ember]

rex is miles better than huntress lol

[dire arrow]

have you used tangling growth?

[silent wadi]

Merc is B for newbies, high A for mains, and huntress is the worst character in the game

[dense kindle]

I’ve seen footage is a good death grips song

[forest widget]

no never

i run all robot rex

[dire arrow]

thats your problem

[silent wadi]

:gigachad:

[signal ember]

🐈

[plain hull]

Huntress isnt the worst

[forest widget]

sucks that you'll never know how op all robot rex is 😔

[forest widget]

who?

[dense kindle]

Woman

[silent wadi]

Huntress is the worst character

Half the dps of commando

[plain hull]

Eh i would personally say mando

[solid siren]

well, not half its about 770% vs 1100% on commando

[signal ember]

nahh

[forest widget]

so wrong tho...

[wide patio]

that's just wrong tho

[forest widget]

commando has great alts

[silent wadi]

Smh you dont get it

[dire arrow]

ive actually never tried out harvest just bc i find it nearly impossible that anything could be better than tangling growth

[visual shell]

This game is hard

But this game is also easy

Hmm

[dense kindle]

We got good woman bad woman and okay woman

[silent wadi]

Half the dps of commando

[signal ember]

commando has more dps and procs lo

[forest widget]

say arti or mando and i kill you damn

[neon stirrup]

and engie

[signal ember]

and commando's mobility is fine

[plain hull]

Mando is good but everything he does is done better by others

[willow bridge]

gd1

[wide patio]

no i'm not saying what's the worst character
I couldn't choose
but huntress has good damage

[sinful plover]

you'd be right in thinking that harvest is worse than growth

[forest widget]

commando's mobility is more than fine. his combat mobility is very flexible

[forest widget]

someone get the graph pls

[silent wadi]

No she doesnt lmao

[visual shell]

Mando
Mandalorian?

[half bison]

Commando is criminally underrated

[dense kindle]

Mandalore gaming

[signal ember]

Huntress literally has the worst damage in the game

[willow bridge]

the mando

[visual shell]

Oh COMMANDO

[silent wadi]

@wide patio

[wide patio]

there's a graph?

[half bison]

The main problem with Commando is that since its the first character you get everything else in your head immediately goes like an upgrade

[neon stirrup]

i really wish there were more skins for characters, i wouldn't even mind paying for them.

[half bison]

Hell going from commando to bandit definitely feels that way

[dire arrow]

commando has a fairly low skill floor but id argue one of the highest skill ceilings

[neat ruin]

^^^

[willow bridge]

the mando is the most well rounded character in ror2

[forest widget]

He has the best procs, aside from mul-t power mode with two nails or saws. And that gives you less flexible mobility, so it's up to preference

[neat ruin]

and more stages and more stage variants

more interactables and more enemies

[willow bridge]

now of course polarizing characters like loader are better because they're fucking broken

[white kelp]

well yeah because the newer the character is the more stupid they are in terms of balance

[neon stirrup]

more everything

[dire arrow]

you basically never stop improving with commando

[willow bridge]

but the mando is goated

[full sparrow]

gd1

[neat ruin]

meanwhile modders can't stop making shitty character mods

[wide patio]

is this without items?

[willow bridge]

gd1

[forest widget]

calling mando 'jack of all trades' is a joke tho.

[silent wadi]

Yeah

[white kelp]

ye

[solid siren]

how else would it be measured fairly 🤔

[grim shore]

so basically the Bandit is OP as Hell with only a dagger.. seems kinda broken

[forest widget]

naturally...

[wide patio]

cuz you realize that an itemless character can't define how goo dthey are

[neat ruin]

with items she's gonna still be worse than others so like kekw

[neon stirrup]

mando is the fighter of ror2. good? yeah. interesting? absolutly not

[dire arrow]

mul-t is just commando but braindead

[willow bridge]

enforcer 💪

[visual shell]

Ok this makes sense, five titans is tough so you should get around 69, 31, 18, and- what the fuck

[wide patio]

some characters scale better with more items

[neat ruin]

that's a literal baseline wdym

[half bison]

That and bandit is just a really fun character to play and can melt bosses in like 20 seconds w/ no items.

[forest widget]

Her pps is worse than mando too, so

[plain hull]

Are we gonna get any new survivers in the dlc?

[neat ruin]

I hope not

[solid siren]

huntress only good scaling is with bands, crowbars with ballista

[forest widget]

even with full crit

[dense kindle]

Copium

[white kelp]

huntress is one of the worst scaling characters too

[forest widget]

Nah.

[wide patio]

you shouldn't define how good they are by how they start off
it should be by how consistent hey are at getting good runs and winning

[forest widget]

WO

[silent wadi]

Yeah it can
If its a fair test with the same items across the board then the numbers will look similar

[plain hull]

Damn sadge

[dense kindle]

Don’t imagine so.

[solid siren]

consistency doesnt mean shit tho you can win every run with any character

[forest widget]

woolie

[neat ruin]

then everyone is good because you can get crunder/permatonic on anyone and auto win

[half bison]

Honestly majority of my good runs have been on bandit

[silent wadi]

^

[dense kindle]

Crunder

[half bison]

Or runs i have actually enjoyed

[white kelp]

Acrid technically scales better than huntress because if you remove his passive Acrid still has more dps

[dire arrow]

well yes but acutally no
commando still has godawful spread and huntress's auto aim, agile m1, and lack of falloff makes up for a LOT
commando of course will always have better potential output but huntress is much better at keeping it up

[plain hull]

Was just watching him a second ago

[forest widget]

just shoot better tbh

[dire arrow]

agreed but also fuck off

[half bison]

Know what? Fair nuff

[silent wadi]

Autoaim is the worst

[dire arrow]

nah

[dense kindle]

Interesting mutual server we got there

[silent wadi]

It actively nerfs me

[forest widget]

it's annoying

[silent wadi]

I cant shoot at what I want to shoot at

[plain hull]

I lost some respect for mdtuesday with his teir list

[dire arrow]

auto aim is designed for getting on kills effects

[sinful plover]

https://thunderstore.io/package/Heyimnoob/SkillsFromtheDeepEnd/ simply use fusillade

[forest widget]

like targeting a lemurian instead of a boss a million times. it's somehow harder to aim with it sometimes

[dire arrow]

huntress take the wheel

[sinful plover]

wh-what?

[dense kindle]

[dire arrow]

you kill the little things first so that that are gone and no longer interfere

and when you kill them you get extra damage

[silent wadi]

Also im gone and can no longer interfere because the giant fucking laser has fried me

[forest widget]

me when 99% tele with full boss health

[dire arrow]

dodge it next time?

[wide patio]

just get behind him

[forest widget]

skill issue???????????????

[wide patio]

🤨

[dire arrow]

you can hug titan feet and not attack him

[sinful plover]

you're more likely to do that if you could manually aim, meaning autoaim will be worse at that

[plain hull]

Mdtuesday said that engineer was the best surviver unironically and he just so happens to be an engineer main

[dire arrow]

not if you use crowbars

[finite kite]

yo are there any item tiermakers that are up to date

[silent wadi]

Actually it doesnt matter where the auto aim aims she cant deal enough damage anyways

[neon stirrup]

ok seriously, i spend a week trying to find aurelionite's alter and get nothing, and now i've found 2 today alone

[solid siren]

https://tiermaker.com/create/risk-of-rain-2-items-best-one-820267

[forest widget]

they all suck tier your own items

[winged ferry]

Peepeepoopoo

[finite kite]

no i mean a template one

[dire arrow]

huntress is a character that you really cant be taught how to play

[forest widget]

oh

[finite kite]

thats all of them?

[forest widget]

😼😼

wungus s tier

[neon stirrup]

how to play huntress. step 1: shoot bad guy

[finite kite]

im making tierlist based on how much i want to wear it irl

[silent wadi]

Yeah no cap

[dire arrow]

step 2: dodge

[violet sorrel]

Step 3: wait 20 minutes

[plain hull]

Ror teir lists all suck ass

[dire arrow]

step 4: ???
step 5 : profit

[violet sorrel]

Does celestine aspect make you invisible now

[winged ferry]

Ive never seen those items in the game

[violet sorrel]

I saw wake does when you kill a celestine

[winged ferry]

Are they even real

[plain hull]

Aspects suck and idk what they even do

[remote depot]

i love with nailgun

[dire arrow]

celestine equip is only good if you can find an equip drone

[remote depot]

i got fire aspect on stage 3 once

[finite kite]

i got fire aspect on stage 1 once

[violet sorrel]

I got ice aspect stage 1

[dire arrow]

actually
celestine can be good on mul-t

[remote depot]

fire aspect minecraft

[plain hull]

What do the aspects even do

[dire arrow]

if you use retool

[neat ruin]

why

[finite kite]

would celestine be good on engi

[dire arrow]

no

[violet sorrel]

The turrets get it now so they dont turn invisible

[dire arrow]

the turrets would not give you or themselves invis bc they are the aspect

[violet sorrel]

I think?

[silent wadi]

Overloading aspect is the only one worth picking up

[plain hull]

WHAT DO THEY EVEN DO

ive never seen one

[silent wadi]

Your mom

[dire arrow]

overloading aspect actually sounds op on retool mul-t now that i think about it

[nova osprey]

I died for a minute