@nimble crown so true...
#feedback-readonly
naive orbit
runic dragon
@nimble crown or better yet name the game "Exp Farming Online"
@flint atlas if you spend hours playing fair games every day and know that you should actually be in the top 10 - but you just never make it because there are fraudsters .... do you have any idea how frustrating it is ???
@rich karma
i completely agree
naive orbit
@flint atlas are u scared that you can't grind anymore...
naive orbit
Grinding is still allowed I think so I'm not bullying him π€·ββοΈ
gilded pebble
@gilded pebble Hi, regarding the cult feedback could you send me the same message but in english? Thanks!
@night path
Same problem
runic dragon
π―
flint atlas
@flint atlas but in your rules multi devices is forbidden. So I think they can not play how they want to play the game ^^ they are playing in 5 or more instances with an emulator but, in your opinion they are allowed to do that?
@nimble crown no not at all, we are aware of players using this method and multi devicing. We have directed this to the Devs and they will do their best to solve this issue.
@flint atlas if you spend hours playing fair games every day and know that you should actually be in the top 10 - but you just never make it because there are fraudsters .... do you have any idea how frustrating it is ???
@rich karma I understand how frustrating that must be, that's why it was suggested to not let custom games count towards the leaderboards. It has been posyed in #feedback-devs a few weeks ago.
@flint atlas are u scared that you can't grind anymore...
@naive orbit not at all, I don't often play xp farm games.
runic dragon
This may be really brutal and I apologise in advance, but I hope everyone can understand where I'm coming. This is my honest opinion.
You know what's the problem? We all know that exp farming is already tolerated because if not, people would jump into normal game modes and grind in there instead. But with Exp farms custom zombie paci room, that's their place to go. Sure, everyone can play the game the way they like because who the hell are we to control them? It's their life. But at the same time, these people abuses the advantage already. We have rules but that doesn't mean you can abuse it. Such as using multiple devices/emulators to boost their account.
First , you get tons of lootboxes (worth a fortune if you get duplicates and if you literally gain 50 levels a day, you gain 50 lootboxes thanks to your multiple emulators.)
And second, just like what the previous people said, leaderboards. I don't need to explain this.
And now all of that is said, what is the matter? Why is this totally necessary to discuss about if the devs are working on it already?
BECAUSE. IT. IS. MAKING. THE. COMMUNITY. TOXIC.
High level players who acts like a king in custom games and normal games? Rude high leveled players to other players just because they have the "best clan" thanks to them using multiple several devices and emulators? High leveled players who acts like a god and treats other players like trash? High leveled players that have disgustingly nasty attitudes? Do y'all think that's cool? If I want to I can just name drop the specific people/group that I am talking about but I still have some respect for them.
This isn't "just" about "exp farms/grinding" or "multiple devices"
This is about the whole werewolf community slowly and slowly becoming toxic thanks to these types of players who has the advantage no one else have. Imagine downloading this game and one day you'll figure out huge amounts of people are playing god in the game? Would you still continue on playing it? Or if you would will you be motivated enough to even continue on?
And to those people who uses multiple emulators/devices. I'm not judging you nor anyone. But if insecurity is the problem and you just don't want others to beat you, just quit it already. Learn how to compete friendly without being toxic.
I do not mean to come aggressive, this is just my opinion as of the moment for this is what I have observed. Thank you all so much.
stone moat
I know this was prob suggested but what about a counter for the ads you watched today like 31/100
high nimbus
Tbh, Iβm actually happy xp farm is gone
tall stratus
Iam screaming
high nimbus
Imo, xp farm should be gone forever
Those who are crying and whining about the xp farm are basically cheap people who have no sportsmanship
pallid merlin
How would you make it so it doesn't affect players that want to play custom games outside from "xp farm" ?
sharp storm
Xp farming is not fair for the others clans and Clanmembers who play normaly.
pallid merlin
That's not what I'm asking @sharp storm
high nimbus
Some clan like the werewolfsg clan π literally forced their players to play up to 20k
I even have the conversation
They admit doing it
pallid merlin
@runic dragon That seems radical, but I'm pretty sure considering the most recent events, it is being considered. Thanks for the feedback.
high nimbus
#banxpfarm
pallid merlin
@high nimbus Playing custom games isn't bannable so having "proofs" of them admitting it doesn't really make sense and doesn't seem constructive.
runic dragon
Personalized games must have a reward xp, to verify it the players must have written in the chat every day, they must vote and do the skills that mark their role to be rewarded.
What about 0xp ... seems dishonest to me
wispy zephyr
?tester
pallid merlin
@wispy zephyr Go to #bot-commands
wispy zephyr
?hat
compact python
okay so herer is my argument why xp farms should still be allowed but maybe not as powerful as before.
runic dragon
Slowly creating a system based on xp by objectives.
timid inlet
A solution could be adding killing roles to gain xp, otherwiese you dont get xp. cosidering sect or zombies as no killing roles
A solution could be adding killing roles to gain xp, otherwiese you dont get xp. cosidering sect or zombies as no killing roles
Wolfs, and bomber for example
runic dragon
For example a gunman shoots randomly, the gunman receives no reward, instead if he shoots a wolf he receives experience
pallid merlin
No
pallid merlin
You can report ingame for random shooting
Doing this will only encourage shooting wolves and I don't think it would actually reduce random shooting but could actually increase it
runic dragon
random shot is a report if I remember correctly
void plinth
For example a gunman shoots randomly, the gunman receives no reward, instead if he shoots a wolf he receives experience
@runic dragon random shooting already is a reason for getting banned. this would just penalize random shooting when you don't have a different choice late-game
high nimbus
@runic dragon tbh its not a good idea
timid inlet
@timid inlet this would not stop anything... the killing role would just reveal itself and then the xp grinding still happens
Yeah but the topic right now is fairness in costum games not to solve every problem in the game
void plinth
@timid inlet this would not stop anything... the killing role would just reveal itself and then the xp grinding still happens
@runic dragon yeah, but that also happens in full lobby normal games. there is no way of fully prohibiting xp grind
compact python
XP farms have given many people xp, which is a requirement for many clans, and to complete the battle pass. many free to play players dont have a lot of time to play quick game or sandbox, because their work schedules are so busy.
many people playing are teens are young adults, who have to go to school and have jobs. Many people want to get xp to help out their clanmates, and get some cool skins since many people are free to play players.
i do see the arguement the xp farms were abusive, but maybe find an agreement somewhere in the middle? right now there is a big gap between free to play players and not, which has created lots of toxicity and stereotyping within the game.
i do believe a six minute xp farm sounds reasonable, but only 100 xp? that doesnt. winning a regular match is usually around 180 xp if you double it. maybe 65 or 75 MAX for xp games, and double should be around 130~150. people WANT to complete the battle pass, so they fit in. right now, many people WANT skins. people that look like "noobs", ur not going to likely want to play with. admit it.
right now there is a MAJOR gap bewtween player types, and i want to see that gap shorten, and right now, with the big nerf to xp farms, it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to compleete the battle pass if your are on a busy schedule, which many people are.
from my personal experience, i can play wwo for about two to three hours a day. thats it. xp farms created a way for people to multitask, doing work and having an xp farm going on at the same time, helping people with clan quests and the bp. if we got rid of that i can see less and less people wanting to play, and a gap increasing between those with and without skins.
please take this into consideration π
void plinth
@compact python I AM on a busy schedule, and additionally playing very little when I have time. I completed the last 2 battle passes after half the time, so "completing" the battle pass is just a bad reason to justify xp grinding
pallid merlin
Avoid quoting lengthy messages please, it kinda floods chat as I'm trying to read
compact python
in addition, with xp farms out of the game, i can see many players going afk in regular matches more and more, which could be frustrating to those that actually want to play. the game is one aspect, and skins are another.
@void plinth that may be from your personal experience, but mine is different. i already barely complete the bp on time, and that with the help of xp farms.
runic dragon
I dont think xp farms should be banned. I mean, they do take a lot of time (usually around 5 mins) so why shouldnt u get xp for it?
sharp storm
I think the best was no xp in custoum games.
void plinth
I dont think xp farms should be banned. I mean, they do take a lot of time (usually around 5 mins) so why shouldnt u get xp for it?
@runic dragon "a lot of time"... yeah...
u obviously never farmed xp in normal games
runic dragon
Bruh im level 100 so yea i played a lot of normal games
compact python
heres an idea. many ppl are taking advantage of xp farms by leveling up and becoming toxic to the newer members of the community. what if the xp from xp games do not count toward your overall elvel, but to more personal stuff like the bp or clan quests?
void plinth
Bruh im level 100 so yea i played a lot of normal games
@runic dragon bruh level doesnt say anything. so not an argument by far
runic dragon
I think that a custom game should also give xp, but what is the use of playing? To try? and your clan mission? where is your time for the mission?
And it did took a long time to farm but it also takes time in xp farms so whats tze problem with xp farms?
sharp storm
π
pallid merlin
So far I can understand different sides regarding whether or not / how much should xp be restricted
I appreciate the explanation messages, it is helpful understanding different point of views, but the point of this channel is to give constructive ideas about changes, not just argue about potential changes.
runic dragon
It is an argument because u need xp to level up?
pallid merlin
@compact python That's been suggested and added to #feedback-devs recently π
Link here: https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/704059531226906626
naive orbit
I dont think xp farms should be banned. I mean, they do take a lot of time (usually around 5 mins) so why shouldnt u get xp for it?
@runic dragon im sorry but that's trash... 5 minutes are nothing... A normal game takes 10 minutes ...
high nimbus
People who wanted the xp farm are basically insecure lmao, tbh if you play sandbox and quick you pretty much get the same xp but no some people just wants to play the xp farm cuz they want to be the top
@naive orbit agreed
pallid merlin
I'm assuming they didn't change something to change it back soon, but it can also be subject to change as I assume the devs are trying to tweak things to make the game better off @keen sonnet
@runic dragon Please avoid quoting lengthy messages, it's kinda flooding the chat as I'm trying to read and answer
stone moat
My suggestion? (Daily watched ads counter)
restive vigil
Restore farm mode xp!
pallid merlin
I don't think I saw a suggestion like that before so I'll add it to #feedback-devs π @stone moat
runic dragon
I just want to point out one of the suggestions I've mentioned before, this is to limit the exp farms used in a day just like when you commited too many suicides, it will say "You have done enough exp farms today. Come back again tomorrow" or something like that. It depends how many exp farms could be done on a day but I would suggest enough ONLY to gain 1 Level so it doesn't get abused by using multiple emulators. Just an idea though. Like I said removing the entire exp farm will just encourage people to grind exp using several devices for sure. Another idea is to lessen the exp you can get on exp farms.
keen sonnet
urek right
pallid merlin
@restive vigil Please read this
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/706202864653172846
timid inlet
A solution could be adding killing roles to gain xp, otherwiese you dont get xp. cosidering sect or zombies as no killing roles
Arnaud, maybe you didnt see this one
Since you were asking for solutions
keen sonnet
restore pls
pallid merlin
@keen sonnet Please read this
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/706202864653172846
@runic dragon I'll add to #feedback-devs (I mean the part about restricting the daily amount of xp), thanks for the constructive idea π
compact python
Farming Afk isnt the point of the game ... you should play and enjoy it with your friends
@runic dragon yes playing is the whole aspect of the game, but how can you enjoy it when there are those with "cool skins" talking trash at you? i personally havent had any issues but i do know a friend that had trouble playing because she had a "nooby" skin
keen sonnet
@runic dragon hard to get experience
pallid merlin
@keen sonnet I told you to read my message. Please read it.
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/706202864653172846
high nimbus
@compact python people like that are insecure
high nimbus
You can always report them
pallid merlin
@compact python I'm sorry you got into this kind of inconvenience. Trashtalking is clearly not supported in wwo. Please report them and consider going to a guardian (read #ingame-reports-archieved).
high nimbus
If i were that nooby skin person i would play harder
And prove it to them
Not sit back and complaining
I mean who would talk trash about skin
compact python
lots of people
keen sonnet
yea
next cove
Why people are doing xp farm? That is the question. It's basically because quick parties are not great. Random shoot or injures or players in pairs are unplayable for alone players. So nerf the xp farm can just be bad.
keen sonnet
right
high nimbus
Donβt forget those people who trash talked about skin initially have that same skin
tall stratus
Farming Afk isnt the point of the game ... you should play and enjoy it with your friends
@runic dragon
How can enjoy with toxic and suicide player?
high nimbus
So they were talking trash about their old selves
runic dragon
If in a normal game you win more than in a personalized one, there is no problem and everyone is happy? π
keen sonnet
people farm playing these and they can quit the game
high nimbus
@tall stratus youβre being toxic now lol, i have yet to encounter people who skin focus
pallid merlin
Again, as much as I appreciate to understand the reasoning behind everyone's opinion, I have to remind you that the aim of this chat is to come up with constructive suggestions.
keen sonnet
If in a normal game you win more than in a personalized one, there is no problem and everyone is happy? π
@runic dragon Δ± do not think so
compact python
ive got to say it here, but the toxicity in this is π
we are trying to get rid of the toxic community but i do feel like the gap is not going to change or even increase
runic dragon
@runic dragon Δ± do not think so
@keen sonnet
Would you rather play as a wolf and get 15xp for losing than play zombies and get 190xp?
vital skiff
Might I suggest that xp from custom games only counts towards Battle Pass and Clan Quests?
pallid merlin
@vital skiff Already suggested and added to #feedback-devs π
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/704059531226906626
compact python
I think that taking only 50xp than 95 isn't good. What about 6 minutes and 95xp? It could be the solution
@next cove i suggested that around 65~70 xp per game should be just about right
tall stratus
Also in normal game people still afk and forget about they job
next cove
@compact python I didn't saw it sorry
compact python
no its okay the chat is flooded
@tall stratus also just report... how can you enjoy letting your phone lay next to you and you dont even look at it? sorry this is bullshit
@runic dragon i know it can be very frustrating, but people do have specific reasons they leave the game. maybe something came up or they ran out of time. you would need a valid reason for why to report them for going afk
high nimbus
@timid inlet in xp farm also got some afk
compact python
@runic dragon you dont know whats on the other side of the phone
pallid merlin
Again, as much as I appreciate to understand the reasoning behind everyone's opinion, I have to remind you that the aim of this chat is to come up with constructive suggestions.
@pallid merlin
compact python
isnt that what people do in other games?
tall stratus
is it effective?
I see my friend who was toxic played. He gets complaint from many players in comunity on fb. They reported him, but I still see him online everyday
compact python
"grind?"
void plinth
@compact python yeah, but in 99% of all games, grinding is something completely different than being afk and getting xp for it
just because people use the same word for it, doesnt make it the same thing
runic dragon
Gentlemen, focus on the original problem.
If in a normal game you give me little xp for my bp or mission.
People take alternatives.
Give more xp for normal play and let those who want to leave their phone downloading, that's fair.
compact python
yes but look at minecraft. they have so many afk contraptions you can do to level up and get iron and stuff. for PERSONAL GAIN. the bp is a personal gain, why cant we have an afk farm?!?!?
gilded pebble
Add a system to change snippet's language, Idk if there is actually a way to do that, but I tried all and my snippets still in French (I want them in English) (I tried reinstalling the game, clearing cache, changing language, deleting the save (not the account)
runic dragon
@runic dragon wdym normal game little xp? normal games give much xp... you just have to win π€·ββοΈ
normal games give enough xp.. totally enough
@runic dragon
But in a custom you never lose;)
compact python
if you look at peoples win rates, most people have a win rate below 40%. that means the othe SIXTY PERCENT of the time you gain only 15 xp.
void plinth
yes but look at minecraft. they have so many afk contraptions you can do to level up and get iron and stuff. for PERSONAL GAIN. the bp is a personal gain, why cant we have an afk farm?!?!?
@compact python yeah, but still, you cant compare WWO to Minecraft.
void plinth
cuz it is a totally different game concept. if you want to compare it, compare it with like a MMORPG. there you have to grind by actively killing enemies to get gear or whatever
compact python
exactly
runic dragon
I just want to remind everyone that people use multiple devices and emulators for WWO to play god and this isn't just about exp farms. Goodnight π
compact python
well theres always a problem isnt there?
unkempt junco
Guys, do you know this is #feedback-readonly ? Don't flood the suggestions and move this chat to #wov-chat please
compact python
im moving to general bye
night path
Hi all. Please try to move your discussion elsewhere. feedback is not the place to be arguing about the concept of experience farms. Thank you.
tall stratus
Can we report player who doesn't use english in sandbox ?
night path
Can we report player who doesn't use english in sandbox ?
@tall stratus Yes, but ask in questions next time. thanks!
tall stratus
Thank you
sudden dock
@gilded pebble heya! The snippets go along with whatever language server you use. Thank you for suggesting!
cold valve
Heyy im kinda confused that "schwul" and "lesbich" (German for gay and lesbian) get censored. Cause gay isn't swear word. Yeah Maby some people abuse it as a swear word. But I think if you threat "gay" like a swear world you kinda make it to a swear word by your self.
runic dragon
@runic dragon
How can enjoy with toxic and suicide player?
@tall stratus truee
gaunt jungle
In every game that i played there was a way to xp farm and gold farm, in this game we didnt bother anyone when we xp farm ( we are not killing all the monsters around us and prevent others to lvl up) or gold farm ( there is no marker so we can rise the prices), so i really dont understand what is the reason to stop xp farming. Everyone can do it without using bots like in other games... Why you didnt stop it from the begging so everyone has the same shots now you let some of them to get lvl 5k and we need 10 years to get there, that is not fair... Also until today this game gave me the possibility to chose how to spend my time, i can lvl up or get angry in rooms because of random killing or random votes, i will not have the possibility to get my clan skins so fast i will finnish my bp in like 2 months... Because playing on normal rooms gets a lil depresive... With all the bad players... And I'm not talking about newbies...
gilded pebble
@gilded pebble heya! The snippets go along with whatever language server you use. Thank you for suggesting!
@sudden dock
Yes, but I'm French and Always play in SandBox, I'd like to have an easiest way to change my language snippets
gaunt jungle
@sudden dock
Yes, but I'm French and Always play in SandBox, I'd like to have an easiest way to change my language snippets
@gilded pebble
Its amazing when on sand box they are talking in 5 lang...
sudden dock
@gilded pebble ah, I understand. Sandboxes offical language is English, so it wouldn't be the best idea to have another language have snippets. Thank you for suggesting!
runic dragon
If not I would only play for like once a week
gaunt jungle
@gaunt jungle i suggest to you too look at our arguments ( People who are against Grinding/Afk farming)
@runic dragon
I did and i think is something that everyone who wants things ( skins) faster can have them, lvl is not so important but skins are in this game, and if they dont have time to play the result are the same...
So let's do it equal limit the game at 5 hours per day for everyone...
Because I'll lvl up faster and get bp faster and clan challenges because i play 10 houres / day and other barely get 2 hours
sudden dock
@runic dragon heya! This sounds like a good idea, I will add it to #feedback-devs !β€οΈ
@gaunt jungle hi! You can still farm xp, but it jusy takes a bit longer. And, it shouldn't be that easy to get xp, afterall, the game is about playing, not just walking away and not paying attention?
cold valve
@EmmaFlore I don't agree with "skins are important in this game" I just play it with my random skin and cause I just like the game and some people of its comunety
runic dragon
Crab mentality, also known as crabs in a bucket (also barrel, basket, or pot) mentality, is a way of thinking best described by the phrase "if I can't have it, neither can you".
gaunt jungle
74k xp you need for the Battlepass. 74000 : 60 are 1,250 Xp per day to finish it... thats like 5-10 normal games which need for example 10 min. 5 x 10min = 50min. or 100min. not even 2 hours of playing daily and if this is too much you still can buy the bp tiers with gold π€·ββοΈ
@runic dragon
I wanna get my bp skins in 10 days max... Why is that wrong?
runic dragon
How about us players who doesn't care about our rank
vital skiff
There's a post in #feedback-devs that is asking to remove custom game xp from affecting clan leaderboards and such while letting it still affect clan quests and battle pass.
gaunt jungle
@EmmaFlore I don't agree with "skins are important in this game" I just play it with my random skin and cause I just like the game and some people of its comunety
@cold valve
Skins are important because skins are the prize... What alse do you win in this game?
runic dragon
If you rank players really want to get higher ranks might as well don't sleep
gaunt jungle
If you rank players really want to get higher ranks might as well don't sleep
@runic dragon
Think about that the rank will be the same, from now on they will make groups for win trade
Can you stop win trade too?
cold valve
@EmmaFlore nah I don't want skins and I'm around lvl 70 now and I still play this game so I realy play this game not for rewards like , I play it for fun and Maby for some social Interaktion. And I think I'm not the only one who do so.
sudden dock
FYI: For battlepass tiers, grinding gold is much more proficient than grinding xp farms.
restive vigil
We do not matter rankings level. What we want is to restore the mode to complete the clan and clan quests.
gaunt jungle
@EmmaFlore nah I don't want skins and I'm around lvl 70 now and I still play this game so I realy play this game not for rewards like , I play it for fun and Maby for some social Interaktion. And I think I'm not the only one who do so.
@cold valve
Is ok that you dont want skins, is your choise, but dont stop me for having choises
We do not matter rankings level. What we want is to restore the mode to complete the clan and clan quests.
@restive vigil
Is restored... Trust me the game wins allot of money from me because i watch allot of comercials to make money to buy 5 6 clan skins per week
sudden dock
Please do not use this channel to debate xp farms and xp in general. This channel is for feedback towards thd game.
gaunt jungle
So its my time, i spin the wheel and i spend my time when i xp farm but i dont get angry like in regular games
Please do not use this channel to debate xp farms and xp in general. This channel is for feedback towards thd game.
@sudden dock
This is feedback
runic dragon
Normal mode is the new xp farm????
Normal mode is the new xp farm????
@runic dragon agree
gaunt jungle
Please do not use this channel to debate xp farms and xp in general. This channel is for feedback towards thd game.
@sudden dock
Give us another channel where we can complain
sudden dock
@runic dragon what do you mean?
runic dragon
He only got 30 exp winning in a normal game
That all the players go off @sudden dock
gaunt jungle
@runic dragon what do you mean?
@sudden dock
He gets 30 exp in a normal game that takes like 10 mins
restive vigil
I don't have too much time for normal mode. So I just afk farm xp. Why fix it?
sudden dock
@gaunt jungle Use dms if you would like to debate xp. This channel is for ideas, and not for debates.
@gaunt jungle that would be less than what you get from the current custom games state...
@restive vigil please do not "go into normal modes and afk it". This is against the rules, and you may get a temporary ban for suiciding.
@runic dragon something very similar has been suggested before, thank you though!
rich karma
@runic dragon something very similar has been suggested before, thank you though!
@sudden dock that's just not true. Parking farm xp and limiting xp in every gamemode is not the same. not nearly. To ensure a fair game, both are required !!!
runic dragon
Well tbh dev can't really please everyone. Everyone have different opinions
gaunt jungle
@gaunt jungle Use dms if you would like to debate xp. This channel is for ideas, and not for debates.
@gaunt jungle that would be less than what you get from the current custom games state...
@restive vigil please do not "go into normal modes and afk it". This is against the rules, and you may get a temporary ban for suiciding.
@sudden dock
I dont know what dms are, this is my feedback for this game today.
You need to look at the ss again.
And if someone will realy ban all thise players that they didn't play or they dont play their role or they are afk, you have to ban at least 1 player from every game, and also i did report allot of them and they didn't get banned so give me another solution so i can play and have fun
So until you can give me a valid argument how i disturb others because i did xp farm, this will be my feedback
sudden dock
@gaunt jungle hi! So, when players suicide very often, they will get a temporary ban. If what they were saying was true, where they go into a game and go afk for the whole time and then go into another, this is gamethrowing. Also- you will not always get a notification when a player you reported is banned.
mighty birch
Repost, pls make it possible to block users from sending you in game friend request. It's getting really really Really out of control
runic dragon
@gaunt jungle hi! So, when players suicide very often, they will get a temporary ban. If what they were saying was true, where they go into a game and go afk for the whole time and then go into another, this is gamethrowing. Also- you will not always get a notification when a player you reported is banned.
@sudden dock I think 10 mins isn't enough
Make it a week pls
For players who suicide alot
naive orbit
a week is too much, often my game crashes and I cant get back into...
runic dragon
10 mins isn't enough
naive orbit
thats true, maybe one hour but not a week
sudden dock
@runic dragon The amount of time varies by the amount of times you are banned. It isn't always 10 minutes.
@mighty birch this has been suggested before, thank you for suggesting!
naive orbit
Is there still the possibility to watch an ad to skip the ban time?
gaunt jungle
a week is too much, often my game crashes and I cant get back into...
@naive orbit
Well better make the punishment higher every time they get a ban
naive orbit
thats good
gaunt jungle
But think about that they are doing other accounts and they are playing in the same way
runic dragon
Is there still the possibility to watch an ad to skip the ban time?
@naive orbit I think watching an ad should be removed
naive orbit
||levelbased lobbys||
mighty birch
@mighty birch this has been suggested before, thank you for suggesting!
@sudden dock I, and others, have been getting friend requests from 1 and the same person for months now. Declining doesn't help, talking to them doesn't help, letting it stand so it goes away doesn't help.... I don't report the suggestion for nothing.
runic dragon
Try blocking
mighty birch
You can't block that
That's why I suggested it, again and I know Arnaud also added it long time ago
sudden dock
@mighty birch is this similar enough to what you were thinking? It was posted a monthΒ½ ago.
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/691301389913292810
@timid inlet hey! Can your feedback a bit more? I'm not really understanding how it would be different than the current setup.
@runic dragon I personally don't feel like it is the best idea in my opinion. It doesn't seem fair to just not gain xp at some point, as players are playing more often in these times.
runic dragon
@sudden dock can you prolonged the ban time like atleast an hour pls if a Player commited a lot of suicide
Suicide players are already alot
It's like suicide is the new norm
Plus getting a harder punishment makes the Player take the game seriously
mighty birch
@sudden dock sure I suppose.
naive orbit
well post it there and let the devs see it and think about it ?
@runic dragon @sudden dock could you pls post it?
sudden dock
@runic dragon if a player suicides often they will get a ban. If they continue to suicide often, then they will get a longer ban.
@runic dragon if I don't think an idea is the best for the game, why would I post it to #feedback-devs ? King already discussed this idea with you in the first place.
@mighty birch but I suppose it was a long time ago (as it's now may somehow?) And I agree with the idea, so I can repost it. Sorry about the trouble above
@timid inlet in my opinion, this wouldn't be the best idea for the game as the amount of people who are upset with the current xp changes would tripple. Thank you for suggesting though!
runic dragon
Then why I keep seeing players suicide too often
naive orbit
thats the point, you arent a dev...
rich karma
@sudden dock well thats YOUR OPINION but the opinion which matters mostly is the opinion from the devs and how should they see it if its not in #feedback-devs
@runic dragon that's exactly what I wanted to write right now
sudden dock
@runic dragon if they suicide often, then they will be banned. I am sorry that this is happening, they may be new players.
@runic dragon 2 helpers have already shared their opinion on your feedback. Players would not be happy if they just couldn't get xp at a certain point after playing games. Thank you for suggesting.
compact python
im playing quick play rn... basically i say my info and thats it. it isnt to hard so i would suggest doing that
naive orbit
if there wont be another helper were chanceless @runic dragon .... sadly
gaunt jungle
im playing quick play rn... basically i say my info and thats it. it isnt to hard so i would suggest doing that
@compact python
And you didnt get voted as a seer? That's weird.. ππππ
compact python
ive played four rounds so far. first i was seer, we won. second i was wws, we won. third i was aura, lost. fourth was doc, lost.
runic dragon
@compact python
And you didnt get voted as a seer? That's weird.. ππππ
@gaunt jungle I can relate π
plucky python
@runic dragon * mini mod, and how i can help? π
mighty birch
@sudden dock It's okii.... I just get annoyed by them and just want that to stop
runic dragon
Eh
π¦
Is it just me or I find fled kinda rude π
Meh you guys know each other
Plus I know who side who and who
It's always same group of people
naive orbit
although its not a football game nvm
runic dragon
See the way you talk :/
@runic dragon if a player suicides often they will get a ban. If they continue to suicide often, then they will get a longer ban.
@runic dragon if I don't think an idea is the best for the game, why would I post it to #feedback-devs ? King already discussed this idea with you in the first place.
@mighty birch but I suppose it was a long time ago (as it's now may somehow?) And I agree with the idea, so I can repost it. Sorry about the trouble above
@timid inlet in my opinion, this wouldn't be the best idea for the game as the amount of people who are upset with the current xp changes would tripple. Thank you for suggesting though!
@sudden dock Tell me, are you grinning yourself or are you too stupid to understand what several people are trying to explain to you? in this game it is absolutely not necessary to farm xp and FORBIDDEN to grind xp! why don't you just post the request for an xp limit / day in feedback devs and it's good ???
plucky python
@runic dragon And what was your feedback? π
flint atlas
I'd like to clear out a few things.
We as helpers and other staff are here to help the devs with handling feedback and bugs. so we decide what gets posted in #feedback-devs. If we think a feedback is worth posting in there we do.
We post things when they're interesting, not gamebreaking and new (/ need a repost).
Devs (and mega mod) have given us as staff the responsibility to post things in #feedback-devs if we think it's worth for them to notice if not. I hope this clears the questions you guys have.
The ideas you guys gave us the past hours have been widely discussed in here in #wov-chat and even among staff. We've explained why it won't be a good idea and why it won't be posted in #feedback-devs.
If you have any more questions feel free to DM me about so we can leave this channel open for ideas and suggestions.
lusty trench
opaque pollen
plucky python
I'm pretty sure that helpers explained why it won't work? @runic dragon you can dm @flint atlas about it ^^ 
quaint bramble
The devs are well aware that xp farms are a controversial issue and what the pro's and con's of it are...
so thats yet another reason we dont have to post it in feedback-devs
runic dragon
I'd like to clear out a few things.
We as helpers and other staff are here to help the devs with handling feedback and bugs. so we decide what gets posted in #feedback-devs. If we think a feedback is worth posting in there we do.
Sometimes we don't post things in #feedback-devs as we think the suggestion would be or downvoted by a lot of the community and thus not a great idea to implement. (which is the case with the xp feedback)
or it would require too much time for the devs to implement and not contribute a lot too the game compared to the work they need to put in or it has been suggested in the past.
Devs (and mega mod) have given us as staff the responsibility to post things in #feedback-devs if we think it's worth for them to notice if not. I hope this clears the questions you guys have.
The ideas you guys gave us the past hours have been widely discussed in here in #wov-chat and even among staff. We've explained why it won't be a good idea and why it won't be posted in #feedback-devs.
If you have any more questions feel free to DM me about so we can leave this channel open for ideas and suggestions.
@flint atlas ok. i will text philipp and emanuel. makes no sense to talk with you. your a great helper for the devs, congrats. gives the impression that you don't really have a clue about the game
naive orbit
||shouldnt helper helps the community?||
flint atlas
@runic dragon IF you think I'm acting up or doing things I'm not suppoed to, DM lisa about it. but please note my decisions were discussed among other staff and it wasn't only my opinion. For further question -> DMs please
runic dragon
@runic dragon IF you think I'm acting up or doing things I'm not suppoed to, DM lisa about it. but please note my decisions were discussed among other staff and it wasn't only my opinion. For further question -> DMs please
@flint atlas dms to philipp, yes. not to you
quaint bramble
@naive orbit Staff is helping the community but also representing the devs and their decisions, and this change was indeed requested by a big part of the community as well.
With how busy and hectic this channel was all day, do you really think we let the helpers makethese choices on their own? No. We have been talking about this as a staff team behind the scenes as well.
runic dragon
@flint atlas it was only yours and flayers opinion nvm
@naive orbit nope. not the true. petzipetz and gaussonas and fledermaus they all told you this suggestion
quaint bramble
These helpers were the ones most available to handle this chat at this given moment, and we are very proud on their efforts.
You have been repeating yourself for hours.
gaunt jungle
So we can end this discussion for now can someone with "power" of decision can tell us that xp farm is closed for ever or you managers still discuss about this and will give us a notice when you get to a final decision?
quaint bramble
@gaunt jungle We can assure you the devs did not make this decision quickly and have discussed about this for a long time. It's changed for good reasons and even if they are willing to change it back, it should be given some time to be properly tested first.
rich karma
I just want an xp daily limit to be suggested in feedback-devs. there are no reasons that speak against it. more than 15-20k a day are not possible without fraud ...
quaint bramble
Thats one of the possible solutions but so is reducing the xp for all custom games
The most xp-profitable way should be playing the regular game modes, not afk games
runic dragon
But a player took an ss he got like 30exp in winning a game
rich karma
Thats one of the possible solutions but so is reducing the xp for all custom games
@quaint bramble it is great when xp farms are limited. but something has to be done about the reasons, so I suggest a daily limit ...
quaint bramble
If this daily xp limit exists, it doesnt take away the farming abuse, it just makes them done with it faster
Reducing the xp for all of them does decrease the farming or makes them have to take a longer time to get it
gilded pebble
I think that sect should have a private chat at night, sometimes when there is a jww, I wanna fake sl but the real one who doesn't know what I wanna do that doesn't work, or just to Say who to convert (and more things but I guess you understood what I wanted to say)
gaunt jungle
@gaunt jungle We can assure you the devs did not make this decision quickly and have discussed about this for a long time. It's changed for good reasons and even if they are willing to change it back, it should be given some time to be properly tested first.
@quaint bramble
Ok, i accept your decision and i will leave this game because is not giving me the option to chose how i want to spens my time, but before i go i wanna give you some tips if you wanna be so "fair" for future
- Don't allow players to connect on 2 devices or clone the app in phone ( this is the real cheating)
- Try to find a way to close the win trade games because this is the future of xp farm
gilded pebble
And lovers too, but I know it have been suggested before in #feedback-devs
fallen rock
Get back the old xp system in custom Games
gilded pebble
Or put less xP for zombie
quaint bramble
@gaunt jungle You can still choose how to spend your time: faster xp with effort (playing normally) or slower xp with no effort (farming).
We are aware of cloning and boosting and these problems are also being discussed.
@fallen rock Dont start, we have been talking about this for hours and right now the answer is no.
fallen rock
ok ok...
gilded pebble
But I don't start dw
runic dragon
@gaunt jungle You can still choose how to spend your time: faster xp with effort (playing normally) or slower xp with no effort (farming).
We are aware of cloning and boosting and these problems are also being discussed.
@quaint bramble don't base it on ip address pls. I am playing with my sister so both of us have same ip address
compact python
todays literally been so shitty i cant
runic dragon
True
I feel bad for the helpers they are like the costumer service they keep on recieving negative feedback π
compact python
im sure we r all frustrated thats all
i spent the whole day on discord and wwo nothing else
some quarantine
gaunt jungle
@gaunt jungle You can still choose how to spend your time: faster xp with effort (playing normally) or slower xp with no effort (farming).
We are aware of cloning and boosting and these problems are also being discussed.
@quaint bramble
Playing normally is very hard now, because all the guardians doesn't have time to check all the reports that we make in the game...or divide us like in ranked game by lvl... So we can realy play the game
runic dragon
I just see huge difference between people that play regular games and xp farms, I like it more when im around people in custom games they are more enjoyable whatsoever
Agree
Agree
quaint bramble
@runic dragon Yes we are well aware of that and have denied ip bans for this very reasons ^^
gilded pebble
I think that sect should have a private chat at night, sometimes when there is a jww, I wanna fake sl but the real one who doesn't know what I wanna do that doesn't work, or just to Say who to convert (and more things but I guess you understood what I wanted to say)
||And lovers too, but it have been suggested before in #feedback-devs||
@gilded pebble
compact python
custom gamers are nice
gilded pebble
(I reposted from 5 min ago)
runic dragon
I think President is pretty weak. Here is a buff idea. New ability: Do it! Once a game, President can skip voting phase and lynch whoever they want.
pallid merlin
Gamethrowing problems?
quaint bramble
@gaunt jungle Level gated game modes have been suggested over and over, and right now are not an option to devs want to use.
rich karma
I just see huge difference between people that play regular games and xp farms, I like it more when im around people in custom games they are more enjoyable whatsoever
@runic dragon there are players who really want to play this game seriously. do you think it's really fair if a serious player gets less xp than someone who plays afk games all day? seriously?
quaint bramble
@runic dragon Custom games have always been an extra feature, and not the main part of the game.
This isnt about the fun parts of customs, this is about the xp farming and extreme abuse
These people dont really talk in games, there is nothing at stake etc... so ofcourse that feels different
gaunt jungle
@gaunt jungle Level gated game modes have been suggested over and over, and right now are not an option to devs want to use.
@quaint bramble
Well what can i say... The opinion of players that play this game for like 2 hours per day is more important that us that we stay online for 5-10 hours
gilded pebble
Do someone will answer my fb ? (And maybe put it in #feedback-devs)
quaint bramble
@gaunt jungle How is the time played related to level requirements..? and why do you keep bringing up new topics every time we say no?
compact python
what level requirements are we talking about...?
quaint bramble
@gilded pebble Private chat for sect is not how the role is meant to work and it would make sect too strong
gilded pebble
Actually zombie is too strong but nobody cares
EVERYONE in sb team and Say zombie is good rk
Do someting plz
compact python
only zombie better
runic dragon
Lol
gilded pebble
I posted that a week ago and it still not fixed
quaint bramble
MANY people care and we get nerf suggestions.. we try our best to get them nerfed. Devs dont want to do much about them so far.
runic dragon
If compared to sect, zombies are way better
gilded pebble
I don't tell the rΓ΄le is bad
compact python
sect is super toxic too most of the time. zombs are chill
quaint bramble
zombie teaming is a reportable offense
gilded pebble
But if only one report it doesn't work
quaint bramble
this is not the place to argue about which role is better, they both support teaming and both of them is not allowed
@gilded pebble one report does work, they add up over time, its not 10 reportsper game
@runic dragon again thats for #wov-chat not a feedback
gilded pebble
MANY people care and we get nerf suggestions.. we try our best to get them nerfed. Devs dont want to do much about them so far.
@quaint bramble
I'm sorry if you took it Bad, it wasn't what I wanted to do, the role is well developped
quaint bramble
@gilded pebble I am strongly against zombies and how op they are, but I am not a dev and i know for sure we tried our best to change their minds.
gilded pebble
Okay ^^
runic dragon
Okay im letting them play the game, its about me and what i enjoy playing more, ofc i would choose xp farm over some quick game thats gonna give me a headache, its not my fault that people find offended by leaderboard and stuff, if u wanted to stop that u should have think about it before. Also no1 cares about our opinion here, first make wwo more enjoyable community and then think about leaderboard, xp farms and stuff, if someone wants to play all day to gain idk 23k xp i dont see a problem its their way to play the game. Im just saying xp farms are not doing any harm to this community @rich karma
pallid merlin
I have seen ways in which people argued that actually yes, they were
flat wadi
strong opinion
quaint bramble
@runic dragon I dont think that's a fair and widely accepted solution either
pallid merlin
I'm just explaining that there are many different opinions about this issue, all worth listening to, with valid arguments and explanation
I understand your opinion and I thank you for your feedback
quaint bramble
@runic dragon They do harm the community with fake levels and leaderboards,and their overpowered existance puts fair active play in the shadows and demotives these real players
runic dragon
I think ww are too weak can someone add like ww who can convert a villager who isn't cursed once per game to balance the game
Kitten?
quaint bramble
Afk option should exist, for busy people who still want the full bp or help their clan. π
Afk option should not exist, to play for hours and hours with multi accounts and to become number 1 in the highscores or the highest level in the game for no actual effort.
flat wadi
agree
quaint bramble
Zombie games are not a worthy effort and should not be rewarded with levels or highscores.
flat wadi
but why would people devote their lives to the leaderboards
honest needle
Make the custom games same as before
runic dragon
But everyone knows their levels are fake anyways they earned them by grinding or xp farming, we are not blind or stupid π€§
Yyyess
quaint bramble
@runic dragon And how do we know who are the real active, hard working players? People dont take them seriously and thats not fair
runic dragon
Level doesn't matter costumes are worth it tho π
quaint bramble
@honest needle We have been talking abiut this for hours today, short answer: no.
The devs have not made this decision lightly and I wont say they will not still change it again, but this wont be done quickly.
Please dont push any fake votings here, this is not supported.
flat wadi
@runic dragon thats why i look at their stats
@quaint bramble i usyally look at the number of games they played and their rank
runic dragon
They can play 30k games we all know its not possible for short amount of time to do so. Its typical 16 players quick game grinding.
rich karma
But everyone knows their levels are fake anyways they earned them by grinding or xp farming, we are not blind or stupid π€§
@runic dragon is great for people who are above level 1000 without grind or farm ... wow.
quaint bramble
I know you can tell by their stats if they farmed it or legally played it but it still makes levels and highscores useless numbers and doesnt say anything about their actual efforts.
And those other stats that distinguish them from farmes do not have leaderboards.
honest needle
Just let the custom games count only for quests
split escarp
hi
flat wadi
@quaint bramble then maybe we change the leaderboards?
pallid merlin
That's already been suggested and added to #feedback-devs π
@honest needle https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/704059531226906626
runic dragon
Fr tho i dont care about my level its making me troubles anyways.
flat wadi
example: player with most victories as hh/seer/etc.
quaint bramble
@flat wadi I posted some suggestions about that but its still part of a very controversial topic;
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/704059531226906626
@runic dragon You dont, others do. This game isnt just about you, no offense.
zinc moon
I don't understand one thing, community obviously doesn't want the xp farms to change in view of the votes, isn't a mistake then? What the point of the vote then π€¨
wind crescent
6 minutes for 50 xp, you literally just encouraged 1000x more people to use multiple devices, smh, smart idea ππ»ππ»
runic dragon
π
No1 asked about our opinion on this one, its time to move on, and let them do their job even if half of the players are not happy with it π
quaint bramble
@zinc moon The vote was disrupted with alt accounts and the votes are never a guarantee, they are a guide, the devs still make the final decisions
flat wadi
but keeping the player base happy is part of their job tho
rich karma
i'm sure the devs will also find a way around
exclude multiple devices. a way would be a daily limit to xp
pallid merlin
Votes are never the only way to decide
quaint bramble
@wind crescent Devs are aware of the mutli device issues and probably are trying to stop it, that seems common sense
@flat wadi its a very 50/50 issue though so they cant make everyone happy
wind crescent
Votes are never the only way to decide
@pallid merlin
Of course not, complain loud enough and you'll get your way.
Guess we'll see who has more complaints tomorrow when the BP is out ππ
βπ»βπ»
gaunt jungle
6 minutes for 50 xp, you literally just encouraged 1000x more people to use multiple devices, smh, smart idea ππ»ππ»
@wind crescent
I agree with you, the first thing that dev should do is to block players who use multiple connect on same account
pallid merlin
Complaining louder doesn't mean complaining more efficiently
And doesn't mean it's the best idea
gaunt jungle
And you will see the results then
pallid merlin
And complaining without any constructive suggestion isn't what this channel is for.
flat wadi
@gaunt jungle i doubt that works tho. sometimes i play on my phone and on other days i do on my tablet
runic dragon
How about an option where players who like rank is playing with rank players
And the other set of people with the old setting
Options in the setting π
rich karma
but keeping the player base happy is part of their job tho
@flat wadi I firmly believe that serious players should get more attention than any xp farmer and afk player. it's not an afk game. that is not the point of this game
gaunt jungle
@wind crescent
I agree with you, the first thing that dev should do is to block players who use multiple connect on same account
@gaunt jungle
Trust me if a player woth 5k lvl gets banned for multiple connection he will stop doing that, he works too much to get that lvl
@gaunt jungle i doubt that works tho. sometimes i play on my phone and on other days i do on my tablet
@flat wadi
Ita about those who connect with the same account IN THE SAME TIME on multiple devices or they clone the application on their phone
wind crescent
And complaining without any constructive suggestion isn't what this channel is for.
@pallid merlin
My feedback is this.
My first comment contained the feedback, my second was a direct reply to a reply on my feedback and you see where this is going.
Good luck to them losing half their income π€·π»ββοΈπ€·π»ββοΈ
flat wadi
@gaunt jungle i didnt even know that works lol XD
wind crescent
@gaunt jungle
Trust me if a player woth 5k lvl gets banned for multiple connection he will stop doing that, he works too much to get that lvl
@gaunt jungle
Except according to others they haven't worked for it π€·π»ββοΈ
nocturne wharf
@quaint bramble i think the suggestion posted in #feedback-devs would actually be okay for the part that it does not count for leaderboards, but it should count for clan-xp, so little clans with little members actually have a chance. There are already too many little clans struggling to get members.
Maybe repost it with simply "not counting for leaderboards" would be better and get more approval?
pallid merlin
@wind crescent I am stating this for everyone, that's all
gaunt jungle
@gaunt jungle i didnt even know that works lol XD
@flat wadi
I use xp farm for like 10-12 hours / day and trust me i never get to 400k exp per week like others
runic dragon
Tbh I only found out about exp farm 15 days ago π
pallid merlin
Let's keep this chat for suggestions ;)
runic dragon
Let's keep this chat for suggestions ;)
@pallid merlin sorry
pallid merlin
runic dragon
We are just trying to show u that we are not happy :)
gaunt jungle
Let's keep this chat for suggestions ;)
@pallid merlin
Sorry but my suggestion is to roll back this game and solve the problem with cheating by multiple connections
wind crescent
Personally, I've never abused the xp farms. Never did over 10k xp a week of my clan was doing all 3 quests.
My feedback is to put it back but to have a max limit that was suggested
pallid merlin
@gaunt jungle Thank you for your suggestion
I remember certainly posts about limiting ability of using several connections and I will discuss that with devs again
@wind crescent Thanks for the feedback 
I recently posted the idea of a limit in #feedback-devs, just scroll up and you'll find it
sage grove
Staff is always trying to make the best decisions. We should respect their decisions that is what I think and I want to thank staff for doing all their great work for this game
ebon verge
Ok I know it's already been suggested but if xp farms are getting nerfed can we please make bps cost less xp. That's literally the only reason I farmed not dumb ranks LOL but like I work 5/7 days I'm not chilling at home πΏ
pallid merlin
This is a pretty interesting idea, which I think I saw a few times and I'm keeping track of that, thanks for the feedback @ebon verge
gaunt jungle
@wind crescent Thanks for the feedback :GWjiangLoveHeart:
I recently posted the idea of a limit in #feedback-devs, just scroll up and you'll find it
@pallid merlin
If you will put xp limit the competition will disappear...
pallid merlin
@gaunt jungle The xp limit only stands for custom games π
You can of course still gain xp via normal games according to this suggestion
wind crescent
@wind crescent Thanks for the feedback :GWjiangLoveHeart:
I recently posted the idea of a limit in #feedback-devs, just scroll up and you'll find it
@pallid merlin
I saw, and I'd rather set a schedule for my clan to do parts of quests at the doubled 190 xp with a daily cap than to play 50% longer for half the reward
runic dragon
Can we just banned those who get like 10-14k exp a day in custom game π
pallid merlin
@runic dragon For now it isn't a reportable/bannable offense and that seems pretty extreme to me though
pallid merlin
When you are banned, you can't access any gamemode π€
runic dragon
Yea tho
pallid merlin
What you're suggesting sounds closer to the xp treshold added recently in #feedback-devs
next cove
Est-ce que c'est prΓ©vu de faire un chat pour les loups garous durant le jour ?
pallid merlin
English here please 
pallid merlin
That sounds hard to manage, for example to switch from the day chat to the wws one π€
solemn trail
I'd forget and out myself XD
pallid merlin
@runic dragon Could you calm down with adding reactions It's kinda annoying (read our #rules-deprected - 1)
next cove
When it's the day werewolves have "wait..." in the werewolves chat.
runic dragon
Iβve been banned but I havenβt said anything bad
pallid merlin
@next cove That's because they have to wait for the night 
It also works the other way around, villagers have the "sleep" during the night
@runic dragon Please read the last message in #ingame-reports-archieved
runic dragon
@pallid merlin sorry
next cove
@pallid merlin My question was if it's possible to take off this "wait" during the day to let werewolves talk during the day.
@pallid merlin But thanks for your answer
pallid merlin
@next cove I don't think most people would be careful to check it π€ Also that could be a bit too strong
Thanks for your feedback though
next cove
@pallid merlin thanks
runic dragon
Aside from voting I think alpha ww is weak if it was changed into a more powerful ww is that too op for the ww team?
flat wadi
Suggestion:
make "Participate in upcoming quests" by default turned off.
Many clan members don't contribute to clan quests (wont donate or gather exp), but I don't want to kick them as a co-leader.
And some newbies dont even know how to turn that off.
Others might stop playing the game for a few months and will return after sometime, but they forget to turn the option off...
pallid merlin
@runic dragon How would you make it stronger?
runic dragon
Like ww with skills for example kitten nightmare etc hehe
pallid merlin
@flat wadi That's an interesting idea, I'll add it to #feedback-devs, thanks for suggesting
runic dragon
Ww roles are always wws+aww+ww+random ww with skill
pallid merlin
@runic dragon Currently one of the main points of alpha is its aura
You're suggesting to give alpha the abilities of other wws?
runic dragon
@runic dragon Currently one of the main points of alpha is its aura
You're suggesting to give alpha the abilities of other wws?
@pallid merlin I didn't think about that. I forgot about the aura
Thanks tho
pallid merlin
You're welcome
quaint bramble
@nocturne wharf the problem affects clans and clan highscores as well, that suggestion doesnt mean you cant play farms for the clan quest anymore, it jus means farms dont boost your clan in the total xp boards
rigid snow
Pourquoi on a pas le droit de dire homophobe
pallid merlin
English here
rigid snow
why can't we say homophobic
flat wadi
i suppose many people missuse that word to insult others @rigid snow
pallid merlin
Yep
Also please use #questions next time
rigid snow
Ok thank you@flat wadi
nocturne wharf
@quaint bramble i see... Makes sense. Maybe there could be another option to promote Clans then? Because right now, more xp attracts more members because (I think by default?) higher xp clans show on top of the list.
So... Just throwing one random suggestion out there - maybe someone has a better idea: How about Clans who are active and recruiting can kinda "ping" their clan on a "Spotlight" tab in the search once per day? No matter the xp.
Then custom xp don't have to count towards clan xp, but new clans still get their 5 minutes of Spotlight to gain new members (and also brings inactive clans further down)
serene lotus
Add a countdown for the start of the battle passes (hh:mm:ss).
Alternative: Mention the time zone.
At the moment we donβt know if the given time is GMT or the one weβre in.
pallid merlin
That's an interesting idea, I'll add it
Thanks for your feedback
serene lotus
Thanks
vital skiff
I don't like the idea of letting them know if they're rrv because that makes things even more difficult for the wolves and sk. Because now villagers know if they're the rrv and they can just instantly claim it, whereas sometimes you wouldn't know if you were the same role as a role already on the normal list. It cuts off a lot of faking room.
cloud meadow
I suggest, they fix their automatic gamethrowing, when a ww call another we out, when it is already shown by paci/loudmouth
sullen hazel
I think that when the shadow wolf uses its ability, the werewolf should still be able to see where other werewolf are voting. This makes it so it isn't so communication dependent.
forest rover
@limber ginkgo I donβt think it would be nice to post it in #feedback-devs, devs know where theyβre going to put gems and the quantity. Having gems in ads would be easy to grind imo. Thank you for suggesting! 
@fallen rock it has been suggested and posted pretty recently, I donβt think itβs necessary to repost it. Thank you for suggesting
@vital skiff (ping to let you know too)
@runic dragon you mean betting with gems? I donβt think betting with something that has real money value would be a good idea, tbh. I donβt get the gempowder idea, could you explain it better please? ^^β
@cloud meadow so you mean allowing wolves to say who their mates are if theyβre revealed to everyone, right? Seems interesting, Iβll add it. Thank you for suggesting! 
@sullen hazel it has been suggested pretty recently, I donβt think itβs necessary to repost yet. Thank you for suggesting!
tight agate
Why i did not get xp on farm xp,poor newbieπ360 level and above happyπ€
compact python
@tight agate xp farms have been fixed so that they have to be six minutes long and you get 100 xp when doubled. this is so people play the game and do not level up by being afk.
tight agate
Poor newbieπ
smoky ginkgo
i mean ive never been on an xp farm and im on level 61 in two months
my suggestion is to add in your profile, hle many times youve been with the village, solo, ww, etc. each day.
velvet hatch
So now there is no point in xp farms anymore since they are now worthless than a normal game
quaint bramble
@velvet hatch Thats exactly the point, yes
Xp farms are meant to be a slower, but less effort alternative to regular playing.
Regular playing should always be the most rewarding option, the devs didnt make and afk clicker game, but a social strategy game.
velvet hatch
You are kidding right? I can't play all the time which is why I do xp farms otherwise I can't finish a bp
A lot of people rely on the xp farms but let me guess you listened to the majority of the few who are on the leaderboards
flat wadi
actually, until now, the majority voted to keep exp farms the way it was before
velvet hatch
Great
vital skiff
There's a vote in feedback-devs to not have custom games xp affect leaderboards but to let it affect battle pass and clan quest.
runic dragon
@velvet hatch be careful π
velvet hatch
Yeah you know I won't
runic dragon
i do
quaint bramble
@velvet hatch We know xp farms are controversial and the community is heavily divided about them
They are still a calm afk option for busy people, just takes longer than actual playing. Once again thats how a game should be.
velvet hatch
A calm afk option dude I don't want to spend more time on xp farms because it diverts away my focus for a longer period of time
quaint bramble
You can be done faster by normal playing or take longer with xp farms, your choice.
velvet hatch
What about custom games not at all affecting the leaderboards which I already thought they didn't
quaint bramble
That was indeed one of the suggested options, I posted that in fb-devs
velvet hatch
lol no because sometimes you can't control people do you even know what the state of sandbox is?
quaint bramble
for now the devs decided to do it this way and we will see how it goes
they might reconsider and further investigate other options
velvet hatch
Well I am just saying expect a huge backlash
quaint bramble
We already did get that yes ty.
velvet hatch
This is currently nothing
quaint bramble
We are well aware it's controversial and the community is pretty evenly split about it
velvet hatch
Evenly?
quaint bramble
@wind crescent Please stop spam reacting here.
If you got something to say, then say it, contructively and respectfully ofc, ty.
velvet hatch
Couldn't have brought this decision to the community? (IDK if there was a community vote of not)
quaint bramble
There has been a few yes
wind crescent
I am, I'm agreeing with Nero and disagreeing with you
quaint bramble
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/704059531226906626
here's an example of a pretty split vote on related topics
wind crescent
Respectfully by simply using a reaction instead of repeating the same stuff
flat wadi
i hope this short question is allowed in the non #questions channel:
why is spamming reactions not allowed?
velvet hatch
Yeah now you think everyone should have a good time levelling up on Sandbox Quick and Ranked but because of the circumstances of the modes it becomes very hard to win so a lot of people get their xp from farms where everything is regulated
wind crescent
Honestly, pretty evenly split should mean leave it alone.
One way or the other by a large margin means go with that direction. Just my opinion and a decent feedback
atomic storm
But like this they will join our games and go afk which will ruin it
velvet hatch
Yeah it is what roman consuls did they put it to a vote if one of them disagreed nothing happened
I don't know your point honestly xp farms are for when people afk farm everywhere else in the game is where you play and have fun
flat wadi
and one of the only places to trade roses
runic dragon
People that care about leaderboards are either jealous people or people on it whatsoever, most of us are playing xp farms to help our clans out, get quests faster, bp
velvet hatch
If they go AFK it is not the fault of xp farms it is because they have sudden irl priorities or they are bad players
wind crescent
i hope this short question is allowed in the non #questions channel:
why is spamming reactions not allowed?
@flat wadi
I'm wondering this myself.
atomic storm
Just 1 normal sandbox game... I got an afk cupid who is FARMING and we lost just bcs he wants easy xp... I am on Uni's side but ppl like that cupid are ruining normal games
and one of the only places to trade roses
@flat wadi Ask for rose trades in any other game modes and there are rose games where all you do is trade
velvet hatch
The point of xp farms is for clan quests and bp so the few minority who use them for levelling up is bad however that is a very miniscule percentage I would put in the single digits and because of that you punish nearly most of the people who use xp farms for other reasons that what you describe
And if you find that the community is split either do nothing about it or come to a compromise
And that Cupid was a bad player and people who want to afk farm if they are good would go to a xp farm
rich karma
The point of xp farms is for clan quests and bp so the few minority who use them for levelling up is bad however that is a very miniscule percentage I would put in the single digits and because of that you punish nearly most of the people who use xp farms for other reasons that what you describe
@velvet hatch Your reactions show that you are ONLY about the fast xp, neither for fun nor for roses or anything. Otherwise you would have no problem with the fact that farming now gives less xp than regular play
velvet hatch
No I play with friends mostly
runic dragon
If the community is split u are still on one side w this just saying
velvet hatch
But you know what I did before xp farms I grinded sandbox and played and was having fun
runic dragon
when it was actually fun
velvet hatch
however sandbox eventually came quick and I was the only player above level 20 in some games
bold moon
Who gamerhrow whole game
atomic storm
In game
velvet hatch
You can do it during a game
bold moon
I mean here in the discord with screen shot
robust perch
@atomic storm is right yep
wind crescent
Honestly, I have a new feedback.
If you want to see the ones using multiple devices and taking advantage of the xp lobbies, take a calculator and go to the 24 hour leader board.
Look at the top people and do the math.
Given 5 minutes for doubling and restarting with 0 waiting time. Some people would take 36 hours of nonstop playing to make it onto the 24 hour leader board.
That's the simplest solution to everything and can reset the xp lobbies back when you get rid of those cheaters ππ
runic dragon
A small spot where people can select 1 role as their "favorite" role for in their profile.
or favorite role for each team or "Aspectus' most popular role:" as in the role they have been the most
velvet hatch
What is this about?
runic dragon
small fun add ^
quaint bramble
i hope this short question is allowed in the non #questions channel:
why is spamming reactions not allowed?
@flat wadi
Server rules01/04/2020
- Donβt spam! You are allowed to type fast, but flooding the chat with images, gibberish, emotes, or spam emoji reactions to sentences will result in a mute and/or warn.
velvet hatch
I don't think that fully answers the question
rich karma
Honestly, I have a new feedback.
If you want to see the ones using multiple devices and taking advantage of the xp lobbies, take a calculator and go to the 24 hour leader board.
Look at the top people and do the math.
Given 5 minutes for doubling and restarting with 0 waiting time. Some people would take 36 hours of nonstop playing to make it onto the 24 hour leader board.
That's the simplest solution to everything and can reset the xp lobbies back when you get rid of those cheaters ππ
@wind crescent it is also not okay without multiple devices, xp farms may not give more xp than normal regular play, otherwise the game makes no sense!
quaint bramble
Honestly, pretty evenly split should mean leave it alone.
One way or the other by a large margin means go with that direction. Just my opinion and a decent feedback
@wind crescent The devs created and own the game and have every right to change it however they see fit.
If they no longer want to support such abusive game play then can stop that.
flat wadi
Oh I see, then you are only allowed to react with emojis occasionally? @quaint bramble
velvet hatch
xp farms do give the same amount of xp however it is faster and more reliable
quaint bramble
yes occasionally is fine, as long as it doesnt get spammy or offensive
velvet hatch
So what is the point of putting it to a vote if the game devs can do whatever they want?
flat wadi
@quaint bramble okay
wind crescent
@wind crescent The devs created and own the game and have every right to change it however they see fit.
@quaint bramble
Of course they do.
I expected that answer and I respect you for giving it.
As it's the right of those that are unhappy with a useless change to stop playing ππ
flat wadi
@velvet hatch its just an orientation for them
velvet hatch
Okay
rich karma
xp farms do give the same amount of xp however it is faster and more reliable
@velvet hatch so far, farms have given xp at least twice. with the new regulation it is more balanced
velvet hatch
Twice on average?
Like where are you getting your xp from when villagers lose with 30xp?
quaint bramble
@velvet hatch The votes are a quick way of seeing what the opinions are, and they will take it into consideration.
velvet hatch
Okay that clears that up
However I don't know what the xp that xp farms apparently double
everything earns the same amount of xp that is added to it like play with friends or solo victory
quaint bramble
@wind crescent yes indeed, you can quit if you disagree.
Regular games should be more rewarding than afk clicker play, if thats the kind of game you want then wwo might not be the thing you are looking for.
@velvet hatch its solo victory that gets abused; zombie games
normal game play doesnt give that much solo wins ofc
runic dragon
A small spot where people can select 1 role as their "favorite" role for in their profile.
or favorite role for each team or "Aspectus' most popular role:" as in the role they have been the most
Just re-doing, feeling this will be skipped otherwise ^-^
velvet hatch
a solo victory is supposed to earn you 100xp
you get 95 after finishing a xp farm
And I haven't seen a zombie win earning more than 100 xp yet
quaint bramble
double that xp with ads = a lot
quaint bramble
a normal solo victory takes much longer than 4 mins zombie farm win
velvet hatch
You can't just double xp for xp farms only and not sandbox
runic dragon
Hi
velvet hatch
Zombies are always the fastest solo in any game mode
runic dragon
Option to remove ears for example When using other animal ears Would be nice ^^
ashen tiger
One Question: How do you even come up with the idea of changing that?! π
rich karma
And I haven't seen a zombie win earning more than 100 xp yet
@velvet hatch An xp farm is over in 4 minutes, a normal game is around 10 minutes away. do the math again ...
quaint bramble
after a lot of feedback, data collecting and by regualry reviewing their game and how it is played π€
@ashen tiger
ashen tiger
Ok
velvet hatch
Let me guess you are taking multiple farms against a single game
quaint bramble
@runic dragon remove ears from where? could you give an image example?
velvet hatch
People use xp farms because of the speed and reliability not because they want a win
I talk in a single game against a single game not two or three against one
quaint bramble
@runic dragon I dont really see the point of that honestly..
what it can be used for is 'hey look he likes ww roles, kill him he probbaly has talismans'
for example
runic dragon
Block the word βfagβ
quaint bramble
@velvet hatch We are not against xp farms, but they were way overpowered compared to regular game play and that was the problem
runic dragon
@runic dragon remove ears from where? could you give an image example?
@quaint bramble
Block the word βfagβ
@quaint bramble
velvet hatch
Your problem with them is not an issue with them people don' play xp farms to get constant win people need them to complete the bp and clan quests
hollow cloak
I think they should increase the xp you get from Sandbox or quick play. The xp you get from winning or losing should increase tbh. Thats why many people here are furious that the xp farm doesn't work anymore.
quaint bramble
@runic dragon you did not have to repost that after 3 mins,.. for discussing censorship you should contact @meager gyro
velvet hatch
I actually agree with that you give playing custom bonus xp but not the other games
runic dragon
@quaint bramble I reposted because I thought we had to ping someone
And I forgot first time
quaint bramble
you dont have to, its just busy here right now π
velvet hatch
If your problem is with the xp farms earn more give sandbox a bonus xp like you did with custom
runic dragon
I tried using quick game again 9 players were offline π€¦
quaint bramble
That requires much more finetuning, everything in the game is connected to xp games
battlepass, clan quests, highscores
its much more logical to assume all of those are currently balanced and based on the regular game plays
velvet hatch
SO it is better to cut it and get some people angry than trying to come to a comprise that is comparably harder?
Sounds like a Nike factory
quaint bramble
and its the xp farms, a small minority of the gameplay, that is the odd one out of this balance
hollow cloak
oop-
ashen tiger
I think more people would play the fast game if the roles came like sandbox modeπ€·
runic dragon
I think the problem in quick game alot of players suicide alot
quaint bramble
@runic dragon we are aware thats an issue and suicide/offline bans are being evaluated too
velvet hatch
The problem with people being afk during games is not the fault of xp farms it is the fault of the players because they are very poor or something came up irl
runic dragon
They are like semi offline
a lot of people are sick of normal games bcs of toxicity and suicide etc etc
atomic storm
Yes quick games are quick like... I revealed fool as seer and they lynched her
quaint bramble
@ashen tiger Lately quickgame has been getting some more different role lists too like corruptor and cupid
Not every role is very suitablr for quick because it is a beginner/learner mode too
velvet hatch
The issue with quick for me that there a lot of people who don't understand how the gae can be played to better imrpove your chances of winning and random lynching becomes a common place which is happening with sandbox
atomic storm
@ashen tiger Lately quickgame has been getting some more different role lists too like corruptor and cupid
Not every role is very suitablr for quick because it is a beginner/learner mode too
@quaint bramble If it is beginner then for those players should other gamemodes be locked ( lvl 20 to join ). Players with really low levels started joining Sandbox and every game I have to explain what red and blue spirits mean so I made it a Snippet
velvet hatch
You have 0 valid issues or you are currently unable to validate your issues because it seems you are providing reasons with no evidence to support your claims except that the community is split
quaint bramble
I directed you to a feedback post with literally equal up and down votes
velvet hatch
Yeah but I did say except for that the community is split
quaint bramble
and there has been polls and many feedbacks about nerfs and bufff relating to this topic in the past
It wasnt changed because of the split votes, it was changed because the devs decided it is broken and needed fixing
velvet hatch
Broken in which way is it broken?
quaint bramble
@atomic storm Different level modes might be taken into consideration again, I cant make any statements about that
@velvet hatch In the way i have said a few times already, zombie farms were more rewarding and reliable for xp than regular play, and it was falseley boosting player levels and leaderboards
velvet hatch
True however instead of trying or at least attempting to come to a compromise because people use xp farms for bp and clan quests not falsely boosting their player levels and leaderboards which I could care less about
quaint bramble
I dont know why this was chosen instead of one of the other options, but for now its likely not going to get instantly reverted.
This outrage reached the devs too and its up to them to reconsider and continue investigating solutions
velvet hatch
If they wanted a problem gone and they knew there would be backlash as a dev I would have gone to the community and communicated with them myself explain the situation and given them options and this should only be for people who are affected by this
I understand you may not be the one making decisions however if you are going to defend it prepare for an offence
And if you are making claims that sandbox gives less xp because you can play multiple games I donβt understand where you are getting the number from cause I could get 220xp from sandbox in one game or 30xp in one game
Only the sore losers
quaint bramble
@velvet hatch Like I mentioned, they have held polls and votes in the past about these topics. I am unsure why there hasnt been an official announcement on these topic yet and I am not sure if there will be one, but i hope they do.
We were prepared for backlash, that why we have had enough staff around here to answer all this outrage all day long π
If you play sb it is theoretically possible to play for an hour and lose all games, which might mean 6-8 games, all 30 xp
If you play an hour of zombie farms, which all last 4-5 mins.. Im not gonna do the full math but that quickly surpasses the sb loss xp, for the same playing time and less effort.
velvet hatch
Yeah but that is why people play xp farms because of the volatility and unreliability of sb the problem you are specifically talking about is the false leaderboards and levels that come of this
quaint bramble
it's all connected, all of it is reasons for the change...
the real gameplay should be more rewarding than xp farms, is one of the reasons
velvet hatch
Of which I agree that is can be a problem and people in the leaderboards may hate it however it is simply cause and effect of your decisions up until now
runic dragon
I wonder if all players who disagrees with the change gave a one star rating in Google play would dev change his mind? π
velvet hatch
It is technically connected however careful cutting and communication will able to solve your problem and keep the community as happy as possible
atomic storm
Woah Satan calm down π @runic dragon
velvet hatch
And if you communicate with the community you can find solutions you may have not thought of
rich karma
I wonder if all players who disagrees with the change gave a one star rating in Google play would dev change his mind? π
@runic dragon that's blackmail and this comment should be deleted
velvet hatch
Also I am not a person to do such a thing
Anyway I understand the position you are coming from and I can not understand your reasons for your POV and I strongly disagree with it and I see no evidence correlation or overall structure in your argument however I may wish to continue I have better and more productive stuff to do so bye
runic dragon
they were just wondering and they can give low rating if they choose to bcs they are not happy with the game now..
quaint bramble
@runic dragon I dont think thats a good idea and threatening to down rate is not gonna make us listen to you more
atomic storm
While you guys were having fights that won't change things you could just farm like other ppl
rich karma
I wonder if all players who disagrees with the change gave a one star rating in Google play would dev change his mind? π
@runic dragon is it really so difficult to understand that it is unfair if xp farming is more xp than regular games?
quaint bramble
@rich karma Heya i understand you have strong opinions about this, we all do... but please let staff explain and handle this. Your replies are only triggering it more
runic dragon
I'm just asking π€·ββοΈ
I think you should remove my question
Before they can read it
quaint bramble
@velvet hatch I must say I appreciate your calm and polite attitude here today and appreciate your input and patience here. Indeed staff is only a representative and we dont know the whole backstory whats going on in the devs minds either, we just do our best to hand out the info we do have, and a little bit of our own opinions too ofcourse ^^
There has been different solutions and I can only assume the devs have considered more than one option... Nothing is set in stone and after this has been going down its still possible to be reviewed and changed later
twin pier
I guess this xp change also hits hard because bp is about to start and personally I would farm just to get it over with easily πͺ
compact python
i feel like only ppl that disagree with xp farms are being recognized. ik people are taking our feedback, but not everyone has been super understanding of what our opinions are. many of the people i talked to today have been pressuring me and creating more problems and asking more questions to my points even though they are my opinions.
hollow cloak
^
quaint bramble
I guess this xp change also hits hard because bp is about to start and personally I would farm just to get it over with easily πͺ
@twin pier Can still farm, just takes longer...
xp farms were too strong compared to regular game play
compact python
everyone is frustrated i get it but a lot of people really havent come off as the person you would want to be friends with
quaint bramble
@compact python Yeah it gets intense, you would almost forget we are talking about a game here instead of a war
We do know both sides and their opinions, do not worry, we have heard them all before
compact python
ive spent half the day in the wwo discord π¬π¬ although its has been heated, i have met a few people that have been really nice, and i do appreciate it. i dont usually chat much in this server, but really, its a great server
twin pier
Yes of course I can still farm, not complaining because somehow I still understand your point but u know, it was def easier before so sadly it was bound to be a disagreement
runic dragon
Maybe because it was too sudden
quaint bramble
Gentle reminder if you dont have new and concrete feedback suggestions, you can discuss recent changes and events in #wov-chat instead of here
flat wadi
I joined the discord yesterday haha and returned to WWO a few days ago. I really didnt expect something big like this to happen @compact python
compact python
^^i mean the answer is inevitable. i do accept that xp farms are not as "op" as before, and not saying that i agree with the idea that xp farms should be banned altogether, but as i read and chat more and more, i do see their points and that yes xp farms were abusive, and that i was taking apart of it too much. i like being on a schedule, so this pretty much changes it π sure i might not complete the bp anymore but i still have fun
okay sorry going to general now π°
woeful mesa
Hello,
I think that for the level icons, something can be changed. Some people prefer the icon of when they were at a lower level, but can't change it because it is fixed.
My idea is :
Instead of wearing the new icon after hitting the level needed, you just unlock it. The player can then choose to wear it or keep his old one. He can obviously change it anytime, between the ones he unlocked. So the more level a player has, the more icons he has, and it will be his choice to which icon he wants to wear.
quaint bramble
it's a tiny icon with a number, who really looks at those at all... thats cute but i find that unnecesary, to make people change it themselves
woeful mesa
Well some people find ugly the new ones, that's why I suggested this
quaint bramble
we also got the player icon already that we can customize instead
Another staff can check this and have a different opinion, but Im not really someone who posts tiny cosmetic stuff like this
woeful mesa
Yeah I get what you mean, and it's indeed a detail, just suggested this so that some player who don't like the new ones can keep the old ones, but it doesn't have a big impact.
Okay okay haha, thanks for your answer^^
proven bay
Gosh those xp games are for those who are currently busy and needs some other ways to earn xp for their clan or bp and now???? Omg
lavish flax
can we increase night, day and vote time in customs to 180/240s
proven bay
Devs can u just shorten the time for xp games??!! 8 mins is a bit too long, a normal game doesn't even need that long and 100 xp only. Ok fine. 100 xp is fine. But 8 mins is really not fine??!! Fix that π€¬π€¬π€¬π€¬π€¬π€¬π€¬π€¬ and I know the staff are gonna day oH iF yOu DoN'T hAvE tImE tHeN dOn'T pLaY sImPlE aS tHaT
Xp games are for those who are currently busy or needs to finish quests or bp instantly and that's the only way and most secure way AND NOW YOU'RE... ugh I don't wanna talk about it π€¬
quaint bramble
@proven bay Please dont rant about this i already explained enough in general and we have been arguing with people all day, dont even start
proven bay
Then what'd this channel for, it's for feedbacks and I'm now giving feedbacks what's wrong
What's
quaint bramble
you are ranting, the devs changed it for reasons, that I already explained to you
Its nice that we have an afk option at all but regular games are meant to give better xp than the easy 'i dont have time' option
If you think it is not worth your time, then accept that you wont get the items.
runic dragon
I share the option that removing zb farm is dumb, because there are still grind Lobbies where you get normally exp
runic dragon
Then ban the whole leaderboard lol
quaint bramble
I do not want to continue discussing this issue here again, right now the devs chosen this solution and thats that.
runic dragon
Okayπ€·π»ββοΈ
Can you please can the battle pass to when you buy it, you won't have to buy it again?!
Because I didn't know we have to buy the battle pass again
Other games don't work like that
So please change that it's unfair
quaint bramble
You pay per season/pass indeed, thats not very weird at all
besides they give 1200 gold back and a lot of rewards
ashen tiger
A different topic than XP Farm ^^
I would like some feedback on sandbox mode. I actually like to play it, but the problem is that I don't speak English well and I think it's not just me. Therefore I would have the idea that the sandbox mode is created in different languages ββlike the fast game ^^
muted cypress
The New update sucks
Thanks for finally giving me reason to quit and not spend money anymore
Imma focus in. Mobile legends now
π
jolly pelican
i got just 50xp
muted cypress
Ive been spending lots of money here in this game for like a year already. Thanks for this new update where u get XP only after 5 mins and only 50 xp
I will now save money by quitting this gane
runic dragon
A different topic than XP Farm ^^
I would like some feedback on sandbox mode. I actually like to play it, but the problem is that I don't speak English well and I think it's not just me. Therefore I would have the idea that the sandbox mode is created in different languages ββlike the fast game ^^
@ashen tiger Leave it they won't implement this
muted cypress
#Were you born to RESIST? or Be ABUSED
Lets start a RIOT
Lets all quit the game
With this new UPDATE
XP UPDATE SUCKS
PROTEST
low birch
?
muted cypress
WHO'S WITH ME
low birch
Shut up
low birch
What happened with xp games?
muted cypress
LOL
low birch
Iβm literally banned for no reason so Idk
muted cypress
U TELL ME TO SHUT UP??
runic dragon
#Were you born to RESIST? or Be ABUSED
@muted cypress You will be banned at 0,
muted cypress
A REVOLUTION
IM THE SAVIOR OF THE BROKEN, THE BEATEN ANF THE DAMN WEREWOLVES
BRING BACK XP TO NORMAL NOW
vital skiff
Basically there's a limit on how much xp you can get in custom.
muted cypress
OR U WILL LOSE PLAYERS
low birch
Ooof
proven bay
Ok one last passage
Devs, idk will you read this or not, but I'm just telling you that changing xp games will just make your game worse. More and more people will enter normal games and go afk, and people will complain about it, then finally uninstall the game. You are destroying your own game.
muted cypress
Ok one last passage
Devs, idk will you read this or not, but I'm just telling you that changing xp games will just make your game worse. More and more people will enter normal games and go afk, and people will complain about it, then finally uninstall the game. You are destroying your own game.
@proven bay
I AGREE
LISTEN TO UR PEOPLE
low birch
I still donβt know what happened with XP games
glacial warren
Heyo
muted cypress
THEN SHUT UP
low birch
no
glacial warren
May I help you? ^^
muted cypress
BRING XP GAMES TO NORMAL
BEFORE WE ALL QUIT THIS GAME
FIND AN ALTERNATIVE WHERE DEVS LISTEN TO OUR SUGGESTIONS
#UNINSTALLED
barren bridge
Ranting like this doesn't help
muted cypress
May I help you? ^^
@glacial warren
No thanks i already uninstalled the game
glacial warren
First of all, I don't like to be yelled at so please calm down and stop using caps only.
Secondly if you have proper feedback which is not like a thread you will definitely get more people to listen.
muted cypress
Ranting like this doesn't help
@barren bridge
Ok no harm done. I uninstalled. Can i get refund of my money spent?
muted cypress
Where can i get refund? I already uninstalled after 2 years
glacial warren
@muted cypress no you can't, it's your decision to uninstall the game
muted cypress
I want refund for my costumes
low birch
U canβt get refund
glacial warren
Read what I just said
vital skiff
No, you made yourself do it. You pressed the buttons to uninstall.
barren bridge
@glacial warren He's trolling or flat out stupid
low birch
What game lets you gets a refund bcuz the player quit?
glacial warren
First of all, I don't like to be yelled at so please calm down and stop using caps only.
Secondly if you have proper feedback which is not like a thread you will definitely get more people to listen.
low birch
What game lets you gets a refund bcuz the player quit?
@low birch
glacial warren
@low birch please let staff handle it from now
muted cypress
EVERY GAME
low birch
Ok
glacial warren
Stop the caps.
barren bridge
just mute him if that's even a thing
glacial warren
Good.
glacial warren
@barren bridge stay out of it please
barren bridge
will do my apologies
muted cypress
I just said my feedback, asked for refund and now imma get muted.
nice
This shows that this game do not care with players suggestions.
glacial warren
When did I say I will mute you? I told you, that I want u to stop yelling at me and also other users. You did so next step is to put it in a constructive feedback
proven bay
Hyde you want proper feedback? Don't mute me for spamming
muted cypress
Im noy yelling
proven bay
I have proper feedbacks
glacial warren
Feedback is not complaining only. I said constructive feedback tho
proven bay
what's the difference between now and my place's government lmao
muted cypress
I have proper feedbacks
@proven bay
They are like government. Saying they care lol
glacial warren
Where don't we care? If I wouldn't care you wouldn't be able to write here anymore π€
I am still waiting for a constructive feedback without accusations, attacks or others. If you can't deliver this, then yes, I won't listen
muted cypress
Were you born to RESIST? or be ABUSED?
proven bay
Hyde u sure u want proper feedbacks? Seriously don't mute me for spamming ok?
Devs can u just shorten the time for xp games??!! 8 mins is a bit too long, a normal game doesn't even need that long and 100 xp only. Ok fine. 100 xp is fine. But 8 mins is really not fine??!! Fix that! And I know the staff are gonna day oH iF yOu DoN'T hAvE tImE tHeN dOn'T pLaY sImPlE aS tHaT
Xp games are for those who are currently busy or needs to finish quests or bp instantly and that's the only way and most secure way AND NOW YOU'RE... ugh I don't wanna talk about it
Devs, idk will you read this or not, but I'm just telling you that changing xp games will just make your game worse. More and more people will enter normal games and go afk, and people will complain about it, then finally uninstall the game. You are destroying your own game.
I am not complaining
The last paragraph is very constructive
muted cypress
nice
U have writing degree bro?
Cool
Good choice of sentences there
U can be a movie critict
Critic*
low birch
π€¦ββοΈ
glacial warren
Continue and I mute you for Real @muted cypress
muted cypress
I gave feedback on his feedback.
Thanks.
Continue and I mute you for Real @muted cypress
@glacial warren
OK may i know what i did wrong
proven bay
I'm a girl fyi
atomic storm
Starter packs should cost gems too
lavish flax
omg the insane complains, but however i do have to agree that there are more gamethrowers of afk users in the game due to this changes in xp games. Moreover, it takes over an hour to get a tier in bp using (custom) or even normal games due to game throwing. Therefore, reducing the time may be a good idea but the amount of xp (100xp) i think is just right?
median elbow
Thank you for soft patching the custom zombie exploits
muted cypress
omg the insane complains, but however i do have to agree that there are more gamethrowers of afk users in the game due to this changes in xp games. Moreover, it takes over an hour to get a tier in bp using (custom) or even normal games due to game throwing. Therefore, reducing the time may be a good idea but the amount of xp (100xp) i think is just right?
@lavish flax
Were you born to RESIST? or be ABUSED?
lavish flax
i born to be rational and take it to the DMs man donβt caps here
low birch
You simply have to give proper feedback, without flooding the chat bro. Itβs not that hard.
atomic storm
Bro u got warned... better if you calm down a bit
reef pastureBOT
LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS FEEDBACKS#6142 has been muted
atomic storm
Nvm
low birch
glacial warren
You see me typing so maybe just be patient.
low birch
sorry for not letting staff handle it but i was triggered
runic dragon
BIG OOF!!
vital skiff
Hey, so I know this is feedback that's already in feedback devs, but I've heard that some people have misunderstood what I meant. So could I try to suggest again, in clearer wording, that custom games should affect the battle pass and clan quests as they did previously before the update, and have xp gained in custom games not affect leaderboards? I feel like in light of some recent feedback, it might be useful for it to get cleared up.
night path
A different topic than XP Farm ^^
I would like some feedback on sandbox mode. I actually like to play it, but the problem is that I don't speak English well and I think it's not just me. Therefore I would have the idea that the sandbox mode is created in different languages ββlike the fast game ^^
@ashen tiger Hi! Thanks for the feedback π . Sandbox is primarily in english because it is the main speaking language of the game, its purpose is for testing. Whilst other languages is a good idea, feedback regarding sandbox in other languages would be messy. I do agree there should be another mode however! Thanks
glacial warren
@proven bay I see the issue with the xp games. And also the complaints. Also starting a drama here doesn't help in any way and just lead to others not listening. This is a feedback we can work with. Thank you for this already π
For these games it is a test I assume. Same was with changes in ranked games. The staff here should not get yelled at. It is the devs game and they can choose what they do. Yes, the community makes decisions too but the devs don't have to do it like that.
The issue from many players is, that they don't have the time but others complain about xp farms because it destroys the actual purpose of the game, playing and not just being in a lobby ^^'
lavish flax
can we increase normal and sb xp to encourage more people to play those modes
ivory yacht
@glacial warren can u answer to my pm?
glacial warren
I actually wanted to sleep since a while already... I will look at it as soon as I am able to ^^'
restive vigil
tight monolith
Why do tiers cost so much xp
spring chasm
@restive vigil the game need to be atleast 6 mins long now.
@tight monolith it's just... how the devs made it. It's been like this for battlepasses now. Getting it with xp might be a bit easier
tight monolith
Yeah
ivory yacht
@glacial warren ty
vital skiff
Hey, so I know this is feedback that's already in feedback devs, but I've heard that some people have misunderstood what I meant. So could I try to suggest again, in clearer wording, that custom games should affect the battle pass and clan quests as they did previously before the update, and have xp gained in custom games not affect leaderboards? I feel like in light of some recent feedback, it might be useful for it to get cleared up.
@vital skiff
spring chasm
@vital skiff well.. about that. The main thing about xp farm and its adjustment is that players should try to play other game modes except custom game too. A lot of people only farm xp and so it got a little hard to fill the lobby in other game modes and I think that's more of the main point. Leaderboard is not rly.... the most important thing at this point imo
vital skiff
Ah, alright. That's fair.
spring chasm
median elbow
Thank you for soft patching the custom zombie exploits
atomic storm
Repost cause it got ignored
You should be able to buy starter packs with Gems
They cost 10$ and 3$ now, but everything got changed to gems... y not that too
lavish flax
@vital skiff well.. about that. The main thing about xp farm and its adjustment is that players should try to play other game modes except custom game too. A lot of people only farm xp and so it got a little hard to fill the lobby in other game modes and I think that's more of the main point. Leaderboard is not rly.... the most important thing at this point imo
to encourage people to play other modes, yβall can increase xp or maybe add like coins u can earn in other modes as i aforementioned (just add some incentives)
sorry for ping couldnβt remove xD
is there like an announcement for the changes in obtaining xp?
hollow yew
Honestly, why are yall here arguing about xp farms? I don't see the problem with xp farms. It is a fast and easier way to gain xp. Quick game and sandbox mode are supposed to be modes where we can use when we feel like Playing for fun, isn't it?! I'm sorry but the new update is so disgusting. It is encouraging people to grind. Well, if you say grinding is allowed and xp farms are not allowed, then i think you have a problem. If you really hate people who farm for xp through custom mode, why cant you just leave them alone?? I have seen so many people arguing about this!! It's not like we are forcing u to be in custom mode to farm for xp as well right??
I'm sorry if i sound rude, just really mad about this new update.
By not allowing us to gain xp from custom game but from qg and sb mode instead, it is totally ruining the fun of qg and sb mode btw.
lavish flax
@hollow yew but these people are exploiting around 100k xp daily which is affect lb and people arenβt truly playing wwo as they are just playing zmb game π
hollow yew
I know but they are doing this for their clan, isn't it? Why would they need such huge amount of xp for?
lavish flax
leaderboard
hollow yew
Uh does being in the leader board have a reward or something
lavish flax
but a note to take is that the majority community are not those toxic players who farms 100k xp though and that maybe you guys can add a xp cap like not more than 10k xp in a day
runic dragon
The most you can get daily from xp farms using one device is 23k xp playing all day everything above that is simply grinding or multiple devices problem
I dont think its necessarily problem in xp farms but people taking advantage of them
hollow yew
Well, if you guys can do something about xp farms, why cant yall do something about the hackers of wwo or the people grinding instead??
runic dragon
Indeed
lavish flax
make something that donβt allow people to log into multiple devices using the same acc
vital skiff
Would you successfully gain the full xp from a game with 3 zombies and 1 villager, nothing else? Cause if so then you could gain about 200 xp in 10 seconds I think.
But yeah, there are other issues that gotta get solved too.
lavish flax
HAHA thereβs too many messages, i donβt think helpers or devs will be able to read through, letβs just leave it for now
hollow yew
Can you please change back the update? Without xp farms, it really loses people's mood to use the app. We play quick game and sandbox mode occasionally for FuN! Not for xp. It's not like people who do zombie farm don't play sandbox mode or quick game at all.
In the new update for zombie farm, 4 min for nothing, 6 min for 90xp (after doubling xp), 8 min for idk how much xp but probably the same xp as 6 min one.
Seriously?
I'm sorry if i can't put myself in your shoes yet
flat wadi
@lavish flax maybe automatically log out from the first device if you log into a second device?
runic dragon
8 mins for 100 xp
jolly pelican
@runic dragon
I think it's impossible
200xp 10sec
hollow yew
Can yall please enlighten me about what is wrong with 4 mins for 95xp, 6 min for 100xp? This was the previous xp given for the amount of time for the game for zombie farm.
runic dragon
It is really not, even if we are talking about grinding in quick games needs like 2mins at least, 3 zombies and one village, we know u can't play any mode w 4 people unless its ranked(which is not it) and it needs 2 nights for zombie to turn.
flat wadi
The 100xp for 6 min is already doubled. So its 50 exp in 6 min against 95 exp in 4@hollow yew
hollow yew
@flat wadi but what is wrong with 100xp being doubled, in 6 mins??
thorn palm
honestly, why cant you guys just find a way to separate sandbox/classic players exp from custom game exp
if you guys are so mad about the leaderboards, then just omit the custom game players off
dont need all this drama and conflamma between the two communities
hollow yew
@runic dragon that sounds ridiculous tho, so much time for just this amount of xp? How is that going to help us with our battlepass, clan quests and so on?
agile burrow
Why not just get rid of the leadership board
hollow yew
@agile burrow ππ
It seems useless tbh
runic dragon
Fr tho
hollow yew
I mean it's not like the top 3 players in the leader board would get a reward from it right?? Just some recognition from people who checks it
runic dragon
I don't even check leaderboards
Seriously what's the problem with xp farms? it brings people hope when they level up and they will want to continue playing the game if they have a high level, so why you cant just leave them alone?! Plus, it will lower people's mood.
Sometimes we play sandbox or quick game for fun, but there are a lot of gamethrowers there and it makes some of us dont want to play sandbox or quick game anymore. However, some of us like farming more than quick game or sandbox, so we farm for xp, so what's the problem?? Adding time for xp farms will lower xp farmer's mood and make them don't want to play wwo anymore.
Maybe if people lose hope in farming , they will grind. Ppl should be against grinding instead of xp farms. Grinding = cheat, and xp farms arent cheating, so please remove the new update. We cannot get the battle pass easily and some people may leave the wwo community if the new update isnt removed.
Theres no reward of it, some people actually farm to just get on the leaderboard when theres NO reward
why not just get rid of it ;-;
If im level 600 and played 2500 games leave me alone im obviously playing damn xp farms and we all know thatπ€§
obviously
lavish flax
just return our normal life back to us
thorn palm
some ppl farm cuz theyve got busy asf schedules but still wanna contribute to their clans
hollow yew
@runic dragon plus, zombie farms aren't necessary an afk game. When such thing like 'clan farm' happens, it allows clan mates to bond when they are also farming for xp. Such thing is beneficial for both the clan and the relationship between the clan mates. Sometimes, zombie farm games allow people to make friends too man.
thorn palm
so rip to them i guess
crimson hull
Ok this is so freaking irritating . I dont get why do farming is technically not allowed anymore ( since the xp is so little and not really of much use ) and grinding is still allowed . Ain't grinding more XP then XP farm if u use ur head to do some primary school math ? Well even if u band grinding too let me tell you you will see at least a minimum 50% of the players uninstalling ww online . So it will be at your loss cause you are the person who is ruining your own game . There is always a reason why we don't play quick game and sandbox . There are so many noobs in there, making the game so annoying. If you dont get rid of the noobs we will just not play . Can't you just get rid of the new update ? Does people who complain about people who farm XP , u can go farm XP also what nobody is stopping you if you don't want to it's your own shitty business okay and it's not our problem at all so stop complaining noobs .
hollow yew
@timid inlet lmao that's how we felt about YOUR feedbacks about zombie farm gaining xp being unfair
runic dragon
yes
lavish flax
guys stop complaining we have complained enough thanks!! give the devs a BREAK
timid inlet
What was my suggestion then, as you pinged me and accused me of something?
runic dragon
We are legit not letting them breathe π
thorn palm
who even started this whole exp thing, like who even gave the devs the idea to do this
lavish flax
all that you guys said are just repeating the points that have been said so thereβs no more point saying
hollow yew
@timid inlet the "your" in my message wasn't referring to just you. Sorry for the misunderstanding cause lol
lavish flax
@runic dragon put yourself in the devs shoes man
hollow yew
"your" was referring to those people against zombie farm xp
hollow yew
I'm sorry but such complaints are also feedback as well
thorn palm
you got a point lol
hollow yew
It shows them how this new update is completely ridiculous which is also another feedback
runic dragon
true
Im not saying anything about it, what im trying to say is that we are not giving them space atm, i never said we should do so.
lavish flax
@hollow yew read pinned before u say
agile burrow
Yo i recommend if the creator of wwo can improve the game by adding more features in the game that is more enjoyable and can get more exp as well adding new roles and have updates like this has no improvements in the game and is wasting my storage space thank you for the understanding
lavish flax
i mean obv they would want to maximise profits but they also have to manage those players who are exploiting the game and they are just testing as aforementioned
hollow yew
@lavish flax i dont get you man. Simi sai read pinned sia? I was just replying that we are not only complaining
lavish flax
@crimson hull read message above like WAYY ABOVE
thorn palm
lol has it not occured to them that most of the custom farm players are the ones buying skins
casual players dont buy skins
hollow yew
Ok do whatever you like @ staffs of wwo. You guys are just losing money anyway. Farming allows us to watch ads and doesn't watching ad benefit your wwo company? It allows you to earn money right?
crimson hull
Precisely
lavish flax
@lavish flax i dont get you man. Simi sai read pinned sia? I was just replying that we are not only complaining
@hollow yew
you guys are complaining! in your text, your just saying the disadvantage of having the changes but not including solutions! is there solutions? check your messages
crimson hull
Also when people are addicted to the game they will go spend money rite
Do you think will get addicted when they play with freaking noobs in quick game and sandbox
runic dragon
And people buy skin for custom farm players dont forget clans that are gifting skins to 1st contributors who are indeed xp farmers
hollow yew
@lavish flax ok if you say so. If i 'complain' at #wov-chat , will my messages even be noticed by the devs, mods or whatever?
@crimson hull exactly. Whenever players uses bought skins for qg or sb, they usually die on first night or get checked first night.
lavish flax
@hollow yew complaining here will be ignored even more by the way π only sincere feedbacks will be read so if itβs not of use, you can share your worries in #wov-chat with other players and discuss solutions to solve the issues and suggest it here
crimson hull
Who are u to say that
runic dragon
Thats why u should improve skin focus by simply not allowing anyone to see skins in 1st night at least, hmm like you did in ranked by not allowing players to see stats.
hollow yew
@lavish flax oh so you're saying my complaints aren't feedback?? Can you please think more about it? People who complain are showing unhappiness about the games which is also another 'feedback' for you guys even tho it may be seen as a feedback without solutions
crimson hull
Why not let the game developers come out with a voting scheme and we shall vote and see
If majority says that there shd not be xp farming
Then okay I have nothing. To say
lavish flax
Why not let the game developers come out with a voting scheme and we shall vote and see
@Shani._.ce#3252
finally some suggestions
quaint bramble
Hey i really cannot read everything right now, its the middle of the night
Short version: We know the complaints about xp farms but they were changed with reasons and they wll not be changed back right now. Please give it a chance and some time. Dont fight here.
lavish flax
@lavish flax oh so you're saying my complaints aren't feedback?? Can you please think more about it? People who complain are showing unhappiness about the games which is also another 'feedback' for you guys even tho it may be seen as a feedback without solutions
@hollow yew
many players alr showed unhappiness before you, you donβt have to show yours
crimson hull
@lavish flax o sorry dude this is to show how they are many players are t happy abt it
lavish flax
and please read like way above messages to see the replies of helpers/minimod before typing messages here
hollow yew
If that's the case, then do something which allows players to be happy with ur game. Unless you're only going to be expecting for people to go against the rules more often, or uninstall the app
hollow yew
@lavish flax you're a translator right? Why are u entertaining us then?
quaint bramble
It is a pretty split community on this topic, and we are well aware of arguments on both sides.
crimson hull
Haha cause he Bo liao
quaint bramble
The devs made this choice and they know very well it wont please evryone.
hollow yew
ok lets go to general like he recommended then LOL
lavish flax
@hollow yew @crimson hull cos you guys are commenting and not saying anything helpful
thorn palm
lol
hollow yew
@lavish flax just like you man, you aren't giving me any helpful replies either
lavish flax
@hollow yew iβm stopping people like you who wants to so called βgive feedbacksβ but itβs not even one lmao and those people who donβt read pinned messages (keep complaining) and commenting
quaint bramble
I guess they tried while staff isnt here, please keep it calm
@thorn palm could you please change your name to something less inappropriate
crimson hull
@lavish flax why not u give some useful suggestions then
quaint bramble
Please stop
sullen hazel
Here's a suggestion-I think muff shouldn't be censored. It's a really obscure "bad word" that I didn't even know existed until I found out it was censored. I've never heard anyone try to use this word and it only stops me from saying muffin freely (and muffler but I never have a reason to say muffler)
dapper trout
Hi
sullen hazel
Uhh hi?
tulip knoll
Ok if you're gonna lower the xp that we can get,can you at least lower the xp requirement for each level?
I've been here for an hour playing but I can't even get through battle pass lvl 1
hollow yew
Here's a suggestion then:
Before yall take actions of things which would affect quite a number of people such as custom games matter, clan matters, etc, maybe try to share ur ideas of the new update and changes to the game (before yall actually make changes to it), and allow us to comment on it. If we are rlly against it, try considering to hear us out. Who knows if what we comment on and so on would allow this app to improve.
dry minnow
Hola
vital skiff
There was feedback on it that got evenly split, I believe.
thorn palm
so essentially the update was a compromise between two parties
smoky ginkgo
suggestion, people who you talk to about bans need to be from all around the world, i asked about a ban yesterday as soon as i got it, still no feedback and the bans almost over so.
tulip knoll
Did you dm the guardians yet?
smoky ginkgo
who me @tulip knoll
tulip knoll
Yea
smoky ginkgo
yeah yesterday when i got the ban
tulip knoll
Oh ok...
smoky ginkgo
why
tulip knoll
So what are you banned for
smoky ginkgo
"random killing"
tulip knoll
Idk if this works but last time I got banned for hate speech and I was unbanned after dming the guardians
thorn palm
did you, in fact, random kill?
smoky ginkgo
no
tulip knoll
Then maybe you can ask for evidence?
vital skiff
They have hundreds of people to go through most likely, so it probably takes them some time.
smoky ginkgo
yeah well no use my ban is almost up
that's why i said from all round the world because of different time zones, i dont think there are any guardians from Australia where im from
so it makes it hard to catch them
hollow pike
The point of EXP games was to draw the players who AFK in the normal (quick, sb, ranked, ect) and push them into EXP games. More than halfing the exp and doubling the time required kills it... they will infect the normal games again. It's sad that some mensch decided to jack us over... schade.
burnt axle
i declare myself totally dissatisfied with the new update that damages the profits of xp farm! i am consciously in favor of going back on the decision made. i understand that it was a proposal that tries to match winnings, however, it was a mistake. the point is that we fight in any way that is convenient for us! good luck in trying to force something that is not pleasant for many players.
serene garnet
@burnt axle said it allππ»ππ»ππ»
hollow pike
I think I said it better but ok
serene garnet
that's what do you think but ok
cosmic wedge
Hello