ps: random shooting is bannable
#feedback-readonly
rigid bronze
sudden dock
Hm i don't think i explained it right then becuase that's not really what i had in mind, sorry about that 😅
rigid bronze
Explain in otherwise if u want 👀
sudden dock
Idea for next battlepass voting:
First voting: Do the large voting late in the season, maybe 10-15 days in advance before that season ends (this would be a season in advance, as we do the voting curently a few days after the season starts). Watch the voting for 3 or 4 days, and then grab the top 3 or 5 themes.
Second voting: compile photos for the top themes, and showcase them in the vote. These can be outifts already in the game, outfits that look similar to what the battle pass could have. Or, images or drawings for what the themes could look like. This will really help out the average discord member who only is in the server to vote/ talk little. This vote would take place a little while after the first vote (2 or 3 days).
This will make sure that people know what they are voting for, and really narrow down the themes that are wanted by the players.
I only edited the first voting part
If the voting was taken in this direction, then the designers would have more time to design skins
torpid raven
Hi guys, this is where I can post my game feedback, right??
languid cape
Yes
torpid raven
I have a long list of feedbacks.
- If all wolves die and sect leader lives, all remainding villagers should automatically win with the sect. Same goes for zombies. The reason behind is to save time, and to protect bullying as I was bullied as a doctor not allowed to win with the sect by having a sected gunner shoot at me. Please consider my feedback as this once belongs to a top critocal comment on google plays.
- Cursed should be able to convert to other teams. If they were killed by werewolves while in a sect, they will die like a villager to avoid confusion.
- Beast hunter trap should not activate against zombie and sect leader, because these roles tend to support the village. The bh trap should only activate upon "killer" actovation not "teamer" activation. This means only werewolves, serial killer, arsonist flame, bomber's bomb, illusionist and cannibal will trigger the trap, only the wolf will trigger the trap killing mechanics, killing the weakest wolf.
- Also about bh. The ww frenzy should be officially told to not be able to break the bh trap. This id because bh should have some advantages against doctor who is a similar role.
- I have met a series of people name "NoSuicide0" and followed by other numbers eg "NoSuicide1". They are in some kind of a group they called "NoSui" in only classic and sandbox. These people remind me of an issue of suiciding breaking the game balance. I somewhat agree with their ideas. My idea is to implenent a "replace player" button. If a player suicides, the avatar will show "offline" for another player who wishes to replace the suicided player in their place. This should not be implemented for ranked games though to prevent cheating exploit.
loud wing
@echo aspen ^^^^^^^^
torpid raven
To the devs. Sorry to interrupt you but I wanted to tell you my issues. I hope it will benefit me and the others. Thank you sincerely.
runic dragon
rigid bronze
@loud wing @torpid raven Sorry, but dont mention Devs for that, there is a preview made by us staff, and if we think it suits the games, that it's possible etc, we will put it to #feedback-devs where they can see it. Afterwards, people can vote to like or dislike your suggestion, but the final decision belongs to the Devs if they will add it or not
I will take a look at your suggestion, give me a few minutes
loud wing
Okay
runic dragon
Ehy guys.. it's all along the day that these situations happens. Can we find a solution to have a full room to play? This is ranked-gold league. Thank you.
And also (in the same game), can anyone explain me this? 7 said: because we are all in voice chat and all wanna be in one lobby.. ? Is that fair? Is it allowed? Thank you.
rigid bronze
Took longer than expected
Soooo @torpid raven
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I see why, but sect (and zomb) are enemies of the village, they aren't supposed to win together. Your suggestion could be okay if sect members > villagers but imagine if there are like 6 villager and only the sect leader, it would be a bit weird nah ?
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It's a bit complicated and make that role more nuanced, but it's a good idea actually, I will add it to #feedback-devs
-
Okay so :
- Sect & Zomb : nothing
- Werewolves : weakest dies
- Others : protected but nobody does
Right ? That sounds like a good idea, but again sect & zombies aren't supposed to be "friends"... Idrk
-
I think that's too complicated/nuanced to be added, it should only be IF or ELSE, nothing more :/ this game isn't made for hardcore players, more for fun etc so adding that kind of mechanic sounds too complicated to me
-
So if someone suicides you could take their role 🤔 that would be unfair for teams, and also could be used as an exploit to not get killed ; for example solo suicides right away, but you wait until there is one werewolf left to join : unfair. It could also be a problem, like if the role is shown upon death, no points to add such a system, and if the role isn't shown, it would a difficulty too hard, like "is this role suicided or not" etc...
@runic dragon You can report that to a guardian since you won't get enough reports
boreal flint
I just wanted to ask:what happens if headhunter's target is fool? Like, who wins? Does it become a draw or never happens?
runic dragon
@boreal flint Fool win ^^
You can also ask in #questions next time 
vivid blaze
I had posted this suggestion but earlier someone else said it's already a rule but he was wrong. So I post it again and helpers plz respond -
Don't you think werewolves should get banned for revealing sk? When ww are losing they spoil the game by revealing the sk which just further helps the village, let alone that the game is already so so tough for the solo killer.
runic dragon
If that happens you could just report them in game and the guardians will decide to ban them or not...
opaque pollen
In my experience then the village knows they're Wolves
rotund wigeon
Just out of curiosity, if the serial killer can kill werewolves doesn’t that mean it’s SK vs Village + Ww which the werewolves helping out figure the identity of the Sk is to help out both parties involved?
Village and werewolves
opaque pollen
Yeah, Werewolves can't win unless solo is dead
ripe stirrup
correct
rotund wigeon
So by revealing the Sk they wouldn’t be banned because voting the Sk off is the only way the werewolves can kill off Solo, and also the only way for the Sk to stop killing villagers
vivid blaze
I get your point but this is mainly when ww are losing/dying and deliberately reveal the sk to spoil the game which makes no sense. It just helps the village
Your point is when they are winning/about to win
But for eg the last ww when about to get lynched reveals the sk which just dumb
rotund wigeon
Ah, I see the circumstance now
vivid blaze
Exactly. We're talking about a completely different context.
Which is when they're losing and deliberately ruin the game. Not just that it spoils the game for the sk, they are indirectly teaming/helping the village by telling them who the sk is
One simple solution could be how about letting the ww win when outnumbering everyone even when solo is still alive?
Coz when ww have outnumbered the solo they all lynch him anyways...
If we remove this requirement to kill the solo then ww will have no excuse to reveal sk
sacred sable
It's
Called
Spite
Wws can't win so they out solo
I lost
So many potential solo wins
Because the last ww reveals me in a 3v1 game
runic dragon
its not fair for solo -> the most common solo wins are when solo and ww dominate the village and villagers choose to help solo, it’s making solo even harder to win
and as you said earlier, the wws already lost, revealing sk was not out of anything but spite, unrelated to any win conditions, so it’s not going to solve anything really, unless you extend the ww filter to solos
sleek root
I know this had been suggested before, but can we make suicided roles hidden? I have been in a game when I almost won as sk by faking hh but the real hh then committed suicide. It did cost me a win. Being a solo is hard enough, ethical suicides make it harder for us to earn trust from the village.
runic dragon
i’m fairly sure it has been suggested for ranked, but i’m not sure if it’s extended to quick game and sandbox
oh, it’s been suggested
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/662601378060959744
^ for your reference
sleek root
Ranked is already bad enough as is, can’t imagine being in quick game.
runic dragon
My feedback got ignored hot
quaint bramble
@runic dragon it's not really a feedback, we don't know in advance when the next rt will be
The last one brought alot of roles to the game, and it also depends on availablity of staff
mortal silo
Toi
runic dragon
Hot
sacred sable
I'm
Ngl though
If solo be like, killing a ww every night
I will so reveal who it is if I know
Cuz at that point they're either teaming or cheating as it is
I just
Find it super suspect for a solo to miraculously kill al the wolves
Without touching a villager
quiet iron
Should have a category of items for earrings
torpid raven
@rigid bronze Thanks. But I think you got the wrong idea about the fifth one. What I really mean is suiciding will result in the player "not dying" but in an "offline but living" state, as an empty shell for other player to take their place. Their role will not be revealed until they officially die.
opaque pollen
@lunar salmon A lot of the old masks/glasses will be adjusted to match the new eyes position
torpid raven
About other issues
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Well most times there are sect with some members, ans some leftovervillager. The dect leader or the sect member might vote the remaining villager out even though he begs to win with them. For me that is cyberbullying ans should be, at least, presented a solution.
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Thanks a lot!!
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Nice, that sounds good. Btw most player thinks of zombies and sect leaders as a "seer-like" role to help eliminate wolves faster. Currently they are "friends" in practical games.
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I mean Im really confused who wins, BH or WWB? It should be clearly told in the role description.
blissful sundial
I feel like the punishment for gamethrowing is not enough rn
A tempt ban is not enough to discourage them to game throw again
lunar salmon
I hate sl and zb because the village never kills them. It needs to be explicitly stated in the rules that if you find the sl or a zb, you have to kill them.
quiet iron
I think zombie-turned players should earn less xp than they would with the village
An xp that makes them not want to be zombies, like half the village xp
blissful sundial
But the problem is that kinda makes the already turned villagers suffer more
quiet iron
It's the price to pay to players wouldn't consider zombies "friends" or "helpers"
Sect too
blissful sundial
(Not only earning less exp others want to kill them as well)
(A price to pay for more cons)
next escarp
but thats the point? the village shouldn’t want to win with zombies or sect
blissful sundial
But most of the time villagers don’t kill them because ww have majority
If all we are gone and villagers have majority they would just go ahead and kill sect
next escarp
it just means the village will have to balance who to kill
torpid raven
Remove sl and zb completely?
I love arso, canni and the killer squads.
blissful sundial
Well yeah those roles are kinda awkward in villagers but I still don’t want them to end up like sorcerer and president
(The two roles that probably will never come back)
blissful sundial
Make an option so that people can access the rules mid game cause sometimes you need to tell the people to stop breaking the rules
torpid raven
Thats a great idea!
But I hate those roles (sl and zombies). They should end up like sorcerer and presidents.
Sacrifice the existence of these roles to stop the "choose which side" conflict once and for all.
Also what do you think of my "replace" button idea.
If a player hit the suicide button, the avater will show "offline" (to prevent role spoiling and exploit) and leaves there until new player join in and "replace" the vacant space. The new player will take the place of the old player and continue as the same role.
This should only work on sandbox and classic though.
median elbow
Have the orc get added to Clan Quest since it's a retired outfit
craggy path
I feel like the report system is a little abused by some players, at least the ones Ive seen while playing (mostly in sandbox mode). They threaten to report players for really stupid reasons, like one person claiming to be a role they arent, or a person not jailing/shooting someone, even if it wasnt possible for them. And sometimes it was just someone saying something they didnt agree with. I just find it kind of irritating that they are so quick to report things that really dont deserve to be reported
night path
@sacred sable this could be due to pure luck or gamethrowing. I mean, I am not completey sure what feedback you are trying to give me so if you could elaborate for me please 
craggy path
I dont really know if there could be a fix for that but I want to whine anyway
night path
@quiet iron i feel like this will be added anyway once enough earrings are added ingame. Similiar things however, have been suggested beforehand. Thank you for the suggestion!
night path
@torpid raven When it comes to zombies and sect leader, whilst it is frustrating for a player to be voted out, I would not consider it cyberbullying. The village is supposed to battle against both sect leader & the zombies and being voted out is well the intent of the sect. Remember! Sect arent villagers but a different team, same with zombies.
Regarding BH & WWB.. Wwb is supposed to win but the bh places a trap meaning they arent correctly “On” the seer. So the trap still works as intended but also kills the BH for balancing purposes.
@blissful sundial Each ban doubles in length of time, do you an alternative to gamethrowing bans? People can make mistakes, and we need to learn from them 
sacred sable
@night path
Oh, sorry.
I was just adding to how they wanted to make wolves unable to reveal solo.
median elbow
@echo aspen Can you explain if ranked was intentional please. You are online right now after all
sacred sable
That
Was basically what I said lol
They won't win so they out solo out of spite
But moot because I disagree with making it illegal, otherwise it's a war of getting convincing village why to random vote that one guy
Cuz
You wouldn't be able to say you think they're a wolf
And you can't say you think they're solo
Btw tube
Why make orc outfit a clan quest?
The announcement just said it got removed from store due to unpopularity
And the outfit is... 4 pieces?
3 pieces
night path
@lunar salmon @quiet iron @blissful sundial @next escarp (Decided to tag you all, because im not sure who to address in this situation.) Regarding zombies and sect in the rules, they are counted as “solo.” I think it is well written in the rules that village and solo, converter or not that a solo is a solo and only wins with themselves/team.
Rules ingame, nice idea & well executed. A small button on the top perhaps to see the rules? I like it. Would you add any intel to this?
Zombies and sect members earning less xp than village is not fair. Because the already turnt just lose out. I feel like the original zombie should earn more xp amd other zombies should earn 50xp, like sect members do
sacred sable
Can I opinion, Necrie?
median elbow
@sacred sable I like some of the 3 piece outfits. The Pumpkin head for example. I love that skin
night path
@torpid raven doesnt seem fair if you are ingame just to replace someones role, you know what I mean? A werewolf could suicide just before village wins and the person replacing that would just get a werewolf lose on their stats. Stats mean alot to some people!
@sacred sable go ahead. Im a little busy will all feedbacks but i will try and answer asap
sacred sable
Zombies
Kind of have massive advantage when in game as it is
- Bitten still turns when zombie does
- Bite through bh traps
- Each one can bite a player
- 75xp compared to Sect Leader forcing villagers to lose when killed
Well, less force to lose and more forces members to suicide
I wanna say switch their win xp out of fairness
night path
@median elbow orc outfit being a clan quest isnt fair on people who have already bought the outfit with IRL money (Me, for example.) so unless we can do something about people who paid for the outfit and give them an alternative I doubt it will be added. Thank you for the suggestion however!
sacred sable
Someone could
Update orc outfit too
Just like reaper/vampire
But it's "unpopular"
night path
@craggy path i understand the frustration. I got reported as jww once for voting out my alpha ww when I was coupled. However, report abuse isnt really fixable and people get warned if they do abuse this feature. To battle this, you need atleast 10 reports for a guardian to review it, so false bans shouldnt be often 
graceful skiff
My suggestion is to bring back detective games in gold league ranked
night path
A fake report will not get you banned, and if you feel you are unfairly banned the guardians are always up to listen
native epoch
Remove fortune teller, kww, corruptor from ranked game, they are too OP, especially corruptor. Corruptor will cause chaos without risking a chance of being busted when certain roles are revealed.
Bomber is totally dumb, arso can douse freely. Bombing 2 wws in a row just make ppl feel dumb
Kww is literally a sect ww
runic dragon
yes please... kww is not meant to be in ranked
light edge
if you keep the current ranked set up you loose me as annoying feedback giver. so ye do what feels best
night path
@sacred sable Nerfs to zombies have been suggested many times before, and are all considered by the devs. For example, here are some:
native epoch
I bet you won't know who you have placed the bomb
You prob will place bomb at N1
echo aspen
For what it's worth, the KWW only appears in about 10% of all ranked games. As long as the role isn't broken in itself, why not just take a look at the stats in a few days?
runic dragon
it’s not balanced...
sacred sable
Oh yes, I'm well aware, Necrie
But
I never see any one of them considered >>
native epoch
Kww will make a player who is winning as a villager lose as the player is converted
sacred sable
And
Ngl, still seen plenty of kww convert bugs so
Here's hoping nobody's abusing it in ranked, then
Just another reason not to play ranked
native epoch
10% of ranked is quite a lot
But the point is kww is a troller role
runic dragon
if kww, corruptor and all these new roles are added, the whole setup needs a change to balance the whole thing
if it’s going to keep on like that i bet many players are going to quit ranked for good
night path
@native epoch alot of these roles have been added to rank by popular demand, it mixes up the game scene and all roles should be tested in ranked. I understand your frustration but games do need to have a different set of roles to make the game feel new and fresh. The game is still in beta and testing 
. However, thank you for the suggestion! Lets give these roles a few days however
runic dragon
yikes, popular demand
night path
Yep, there has been suggestions to add these to ranked
sacred sable
Where have I seen people wanting kww in ranked?
runic dragon
i see how popular it is👀
runic dragon
okay like at least half of the ranked players i know is against kww and ft in ranked
i see how popular it is...
to non-serious ranked players
sacred sable
Speaking of ft
Do enough people have the update to bring it back in sandbox lol?
I feel like that was kind of forgotten
graceful skiff
I suggest that kww, ft, are random ww/rrv and illusionist in det games would be good
night path
Not as of yet, but it should be added again soon 
.
sacred sable
Lol, illu would mess up so much lol
Cuz everyone would show same team
Sounds lovely
echo aspen
Fortune teller is back in sandbox, not in ranked though.
sacred sable
Ahh, so I gotta get lucky
echo aspen
Ranked still has the old setup (except adding cannibal randomly) + a new role setup which is being tested.
If the FC, WWK, GWW setup is unbalanced or unpopular for other reasons we can remove it in a few days 🤷
median elbow
Let Philipp do his test we always complain about ranked anyways maybe it'll grow on us over time
but I want the wwk sent to custom exclusively
echo aspen
Can somebody explain the frustration about wwk?
sacred sable
Btw, I send kudos (congratulations) to philipp & emanuel for performing overclock on all this, btw
Well aware how having to keep updates and such in order for the masses is, seeing I've helped with that a bit on forums... not a very thankful job from people, ironically.
median elbow
Ww kitten needs a nerf here is why:
Day 1: 4 ww alive. 1 Solo killer. 1 Fool/hh. 8-9 villagers alive 6 enemies in total. 1-2 deaths have occurred.
Day 2: wwk uses the ability successful
5 ww. 2 solo. 5-7 villagers alive. 1-2 deaths again.
7 Enemies vs 5-7 villagers - assuming no ww have died.
This is an unfair balance.. And that's not including cursed from quick play. With cursed included it would be 8 enemies vs 5-7 villager
We talked about this December 16th
echo aspen
Okay, fair enough. How about replace wwk with aww?
tidal monolith
Is this change permanent or temporary
glacial warren
Aww was random ww
median elbow
I like the random role rotation. It's chaos mode and that adds a slight balance and strategy meta shift
echo aspen
Right, here is the alternative setup for ranked:
seer
jailer
flower child
werewolf kitten
gunner
guardian wolf
random villager normal
fool / headhunter
detective
random werewolf
random villager normal
serial killer / arsonist / cannibal
medium
wolf seer
marksman
random villager normal
@tidal monolith He said experimental
native epoch
If ppl really wanna play bomber/kww/corruptor, then just go back to sandbox
sacred sable
I assume it'd be too much to disable Werewolf in ranked, yea?
Lol
tidal monolith
Phew
echo aspen
In that, replace wwk with aww?
median elbow
How about remove wolfs all together
native epoch
No wolf is useless
golden scarab
How about leaving rank as it was?
uncut coral
Change ranked back to what it was...
median elbow
@echo aspen Shaman maybe? Maybe normal ww?
WWK being in ranked is a big turn off for a lot of us
native epoch
Also, kww is bugging, right?
normal estuary
Give the old ranked back pls
uncut coral
This new setting is a big turn off for the entire community🙄
echo aspen
Guuuuuys 😄
The old ranked is still there
That hasn't changed.
This new setup is for a few games only!
light edge
Hello my people. please stop raiding the channel
echo aspen
Gotta try some new stuff and new setups. Can't get stuck with the old roles forever 🙄
runic dragon
I agree with that
echo aspen
I'm fine with doing smaller changes / smaller tests. But we are testing something 😄
runic dragon
But I don't think we should jump all the way in
echo aspen
So, how about this:
runic dragon
A few roles at a time
night perch
Well gold league is sandbox league now
native epoch
Adding new roles is not a problem, just think about the balance of the game
golden scarab
It's not only about wwk is about seer too. For example people are playing amd struggling to get back of silver league to play a game where the roles are not reavealed instantly. You also can t add all the solos game at once.
light edge
hey philipp.
before adding new roles. how about teach new players how to play?
echo aspen
seer
jailer
flower child
alpha werewolf
gunner
guardian wolf
random villager normal
fool / headhunter
detective
random werewolf
random villager normal
serial killer / arsonist / cannibal
medium
wolf seer
marksman
random villager normal
Just to clarify
Which ranked is that list?
runic dragon
Have respect
echo aspen
On topic please, or I'll enable slow mode for this
native epoch
Seer + detective is too OP
echo aspen
Comments on this setup for ranked:
seer
jailer
flower child
alpha werewolf
gunner
guardian wolf
random villager normal
fool / headhunter
detective
random werewolf
random villager normal
serial killer / arsonist / cannibal
medium
wolf seer
marksman
random villager normal
Yeah seer+detective should not be an option
graceful skiff
How about gold league games?
native epoch
Just change it to the original
sacred sable
That's
Why I asked which one it wa to clarify
runic dragon
What happened to not raiding the channel
runic dragon
And if you want to balance ranked Get rid of RRV
it places to much luck on the game
glacial warren
I would suggest to not use cannibal in ranked 👀 it can be pretty op
golden scarab
I don t agree with leaving the rvs out
night perch
Its better than bomber in ranked!!
native epoch
No corruptor pls
graceful skiff
Illusionist is better in det games I guess
runic dragon
Corruptor would fit perfectly in ranked
median elbow
Can we get cannibal sect and zombies in ranked too?
golden scarab
Lol Dude
light edge
Canni for sk is a nice change (disable eating night 1 pls)
adding two strong wolfs will always be op
alpha useless in hh games
kitten way too op for ranked.
seer op for gold
night perch
No zombies
native epoch
This is not exp farm
uncut coral
Zombies wtf
runic dragon
I agree with zombies in ranked
But the EXP and skill settings would have to be changed to reduce gamethrowing so players actually try to stop zombie
Abused role that makes it underrated
zombie is completely stoppable
It's just that no one tries
graceful skiff
From Sk to cannibal/illusionist ok
From Det to Seer not okay
Wolf shaman to alpha not okay too
Det to spirit seer more okay
glacial warren
Don't put zombie in ranked lmao
runic dragon
A ranked mode should be a little luck-based as possible
night perch
Shaman changed to Alpha
Alpha do literally nothing
And all infos is currect now
No scape
runic dragon
Alpha is useless
native epoch
Alpha can fake fool in fool det game
light edge
Alpha perfectly fine in fool game
native epoch
But it is useless in a game with seer
runic dragon
I take back my statement
graceful skiff
Yeah alpha is okay when its det fool games
night perch
Bruh seer in game
runic dragon
Seer is too strong for ranked anyways
median elbow
@echo aspen I sent this to Emanuel and he said sure why not. Maybe you should see it too
Hey I want to see a few experimental games in Sandbox with sect leader replacing cupid for a short amount of time. Can you at the very least take a #dev-vote on it and link the initial message that suggested this to see the conceptual reaction from the community since after all it's a teamed role, not a solo role.
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/452605920233652224/652862344610709554
Probably dm you this tbh
light edge
spirit seer is also more powerful than det.
Ss should replace det in
hh games
det should still be in fool games
graceful skiff
Yeah ss better
light edge
that would balance the game a lot
runic dragon
Yeah
night perch
Actually create a new league like platinum league and use different roles
runic dragon
And opens the game up for more plays
night perch
+2500
graceful skiff
Guys can we move to general lol
light edge
no :)
naive whale
Also Im agree with u, if we have some role like sandbox i Will just stop playing i think^^
graceful skiff
Platinum should be like 3000
runic dragon
2700 seems Ideal
runic dragon
Placements need to be less lucked based as well
graceful skiff
@median elbow same
golden scarab
Then play sandbox.. We play rank for a reason
runic dragon
And my phones about to die so
naive whale
All sandbox player will come and play.... like.... not a ranked player... All potato Will come...
graceful skiff
I think sect should not in ranked. Sect games will promote gamethrowing like pls turn me to sect
echo aspen
Alright, here is what we'll do as a ranked test:
aura
medium
gunner
jww
doc
aww
detective
fool / hh
flower child
guardian ww
rrv
sk / arso
jailer
wolf seer
marksman
rrv
This is very close to the standard ranked games so not much changes 👍
naive whale
Yep like zombie boosting but for point
graceful skiff
Better
night perch
Let gold league be gold league...
Add canni on platinum league
And change det with spirit seer
runic dragon
i like it
native epoch
Seems more balanced
golden scarab
Yeah
graceful skiff
Better but make it 3 rrvs
golden scarab
Way more balanced
echo aspen
Btw, if the ranked community want's to get together and think of some new role setups, we would love to test those!
runic dragon
Mmm yes
echo aspen
Adding new role setups is easy now and can only affect a small percentage of games. So testing becomes a loooot more easy too without breaking all games immediately.
median elbow
We do that already
native epoch
So may I know where will wwb and nww be?
night perch
We can test it in sandbox philipp
graceful skiff
Maybe test first in sandbox?
night perch
No worries
echo aspen
Sandbox is more about fun, less about balancing 😄
naive whale
Im agree test is more for sandbox^^
runic dragon
Custom
echo aspen
Testing in sandbox works for bugs, not for making ranked game setups
median elbow
Philipp Imma dm you what I sent Emanuel a while back
runic dragon
Lets just test it in custom
dreamy vortex
sad life in ranking
native epoch
🥰
echo aspen
Custom works for 5-10 games as well. To really get it balanced it needs a loooot more tests though.
echo aspen
There is no chaos in ranked and we don't intend to have it
golden scarab
No, i meant the set up tests
night perch
But I suggest this
Add platinum ranked +2500 sp
Add cupid with hh fool
Add canni with sk arso
Change det with ss
graceful skiff
Add illusionist in fool det games. Why not
runic dragon
cupid is too strong for ranked
echo aspen
If anybody want's, feel free to create a role setup which we can put in #dev-vote before adding it into the game 😊
runic dragon
The game is decided as soon as 2 wws are coupled
light edge
can I dm you philipp?
naive whale
Also just what @night perch writing a platinum ect
median elbow
Are there any roles that are 100% required to be there? The standard 4 ww, 1 fool/hh, 1 solo, 3 rrv
graceful skiff
Where do I post those role setup?
median elbow
Like if we get creative is that okay?
naive whale
Just discord staff can post in vote
echo aspen
@light edge feel free, please don't DM me role setups though. The role setups should be discussed here or in another channel where more ranked players can see it.
@median elbow no, there is no min requirement for roles. Anything goes!
median elbow
For example if we don't include a hh/fool or something is this okay?
golden scarab
I think we need to adapt one by one. You can't transform everything over night tho
graceful skiff
Just no sl/zombie
dreamy vortex
zombie is too op
naive whale
Zombie is not for ranked
native epoch
@echo aspen Is there really no way to remove kww from rww in ranked ?
naive whale
Zombie/sect will do boosting for point
echo aspen
@native epoch it is being removed right now and replace with the setup a few messages back ...
graceful skiff
Kww is okay in ranked det games
native epoch
Not ok
night estuary
wait ur removing kww?
golden scarab
Not ok
native epoch
Kww is never ok
naive whale
Kww is very to much for ranked
graceful skiff
How about 2 ww starting + kww?
golden scarab
Kww is too powerful for rank
native epoch
No
uncut coral
No
night estuary
I mean like kww in sandbox is okay
golden scarab
No
naive whale
Im not okay with that.
native epoch
It means 4+1 ww in ranked
median elbow
@echo aspen President?
graceful skiff
How about 3+1 ww
dreamy vortex
im ok because village in high ranking is op
median elbow
Cupid-cursed?
graceful skiff
@median elbow no president
dreamy vortex
President game !
naive whale
It mean lose cause potato
native epoch
Leave kww in sandbox
dreamy vortex
loll
golden scarab
It s useless if you take an info giver from village or a gunner it doesn t matter the numbers as it matters the power
native epoch
@graceful skiff Then just 4 original ww, no kww
naive whale
President: just in custom dont change that
night estuary
is fortune teller fixed?
native epoch
Oh
sacred sable
Phil said it's back in sandbox earlier
sacred sable
Lol
peak knot
Oh dear lord what happened guys
graceful skiff
We are discussing what roles should be in ranked
night estuary
yea
golden oxide
@peak knot show them your research 🙂
graceful skiff
As the fact that ranked roles now is like sandbox
peak knot
My research isn't finished yet... but it will be a good overview of what roles match and which don't
light edge
^ this dude made some very fun and challenging comps worthy of being called ranked
median elbow
@peak knot Go try my sect comp. Really trust me try it
median elbow
Just try it it'll grow on you
meager gyro
Hey please use this channel for actual suggestions tho
It looks more like a #wov-chat talk atm 😄
median elbow
Youp let's go to PR instead
peak knot
Cannibal as solo: I actually like this change. Canni is a buffed combination of fool + arso. Whereas arso and sk sometimes are forced to go randomly, canni has the opportunity to be 100% accurate. I like this change and I support keeping it this way
Seer for detective: This is a changed that shocked me because I thought detective was implemented to decrease the strength of informers which was great. Bad roles were somewhat balanced if played well. Seer creates lack of faking space and is generally a too overpowered role. I see no point in replacing det with seer and I hate this change.
Kww as rww: Kitten wolf is way too strong at the moment and it's not even funny. The possibility to have 5 wolves from day 1 just puzzles me. With 5 wolves + 2 solo = 7 bad roles and village only has a majority of 2. It's almost as if ww become the new village.
Gww as standard wolf: Gww is a good standard wolf if the last wolf is not random but a weaker one. In general I don't like having a random wolf at all in a comp.
My research will show detailed recommendations and advice as to which comps are most suitable for competitive gameplay. Good thing the developers are caring about ranked, let's now focus on the actual required changes :)
graceful skiff
Maybe we test suggested roles in WWO Tester Club?
opaque pollen
My only input is "no Zombies"
tawny igloo
Will this change be definite? I wanna keep my sp thx
dark heart
Hey
I have a idea
An ig (in game) button
That shows you how your skin would look
Playing with your friends etc
Yami sometimes I don't like my skin because it cuts
When you press the button a window appears showing you how your skin is in the game
And you can see if it cuts and you like it or not
It seems easy edited but not xd))))
If you are going to comment on this thing
Before the message @dark heart
So let me know and find out
Well that was my idea and I would like to implement it
Trx <3 ;)
The part that says free gold is messed up, it wasn't me)))
cedar remnant
Really why was seer added to gold league that makes no sense its too OP in a high rank like that plus you traded det for it its not even a challenge anymore what r u guys doing
tight mauve
i was just in a gold league game with an aura AND seer. the wolves obviously didnt stand a chance obviously. why did seer come into gold??
tawny igloo
🤡
tight mauve
god of course i forgot about that. how ever did we manage that before we had seer in gold.
river grove
I need help im banned for no reason! It says banned for random killing but i didnt kill randomly anybody
narrow obsidian
Where can I write about mistakes in translation?
meager gyro
You can report it here 😄
narrow obsidian
Oh, lol. Ok.
🇺🇦 Ukrainian language. 🇺🇦
кастомні ігри
треба змінити на
користувацькі ігриВідмінити
на
Скасувати- Лутбокс це явний англіцизм. Скрині?
meager gyro
Thanks I'll ask the translator to check those translations 
runic dragon
wispy igloo
Hello
crude ore
We had 4 total seers with 3 auras and me being seer. Tbh I think it is very unbalanced. Maybe rrvs are lucky but this was pretty unbelievable
In gold ranked
dreamy burrow
Devs think info is very important 😂
tawny igloo
Yes village can't assume who's bad
languid cape
Sandbox in ranked?? 
The only mode I played was ranked to escape sandbox mode, but wth cant I play a normal ranked game
Many people gave feedback that the game modes should be more diverse and different but you guys just turned ranked sandbox into gj making many people hate ranked once again
Seriously, whats the point of feedback if everyone wants something different but the opposite is done instead
meager gyro
@crude ore @languid cape We love feedback! And if you have an idea for a better balanced and working ranked role set up, you can participate in the little tournament! You'll find all info about it in #community-announcements, if you have further questions, feel free to ask in #questions 
languid cape
@meager gyro Does it have to include roles such as unbalanced roles like, kitten? Or is it ok if I make a role list without them?
I mean I can take in cannibal but kitten is just a no
meager gyro
@languid cape You can think of any role list that fits best in your opinion and we'll see what others think about it
balmy lark
Remove Seer and Alpha WW from gold league
• Why? Adding this 2 roles will ruin the chances for non villagers to win
• Seer is for less-experienced player where Aura Seer and Detective would be harder for them to understand and solve the bad guys quickly, putting Seer in ranked can blow away covers. Detective is a better option.
• Alpha WW is unknown so it can have a cover, removing its cover by just adding it to the role list isn’t fun.
balmy lark
The old role list was so much better
meager gyro
@balmy lark Hey those are good points! You might want to check out #community-announcements for the role set up tournament regarding ranked and suggest your favorite ;) Thanks for the feedback
languid cape
Lisa who is the one picking from the role lists? Dont tell me its a vote
meager gyro
You can suggest any role set up you think fits best
Please use #questions for questions next time
native epoch
Let Alisonn and Artemiis to choose?
They are the best ranked players among all guardians
meager gyro
That wont be a 'decision' and we'll do it community based ofc
languid cape
Popular community = sandbox players
native epoch
Lul
languid cape
Thats not promising
native epoch
You are just making the same mistake
This disaster happens because of the public opinion
I don't mean to be a dictator, just most of them are sandboxers
They don't know ranked really well
Also, I suggest dividing wws into rsww and rrww
meager gyro
@languid cape That's actually pretty rude ^^ @native epoch
languid cape
My suggestion would be fix up the league and skill point system beforehand, as you can see anyone with 0 ranked game experience can go up to gold league in 2 games.
I dont think thats rude, its the truth
native epoch
Rsww
Wwb/nww/jr/ww seer
Rrww
Reg ww/Alpha/ shaman
This can avoid 2 reg, 2 nww, 2 wwb such unbalanced situations
meager gyro
@languid cape Please explain your suggestion in detail
@native epoch You may read #community-announcements 👀
languid cape
I mean right now in game I can see that sandbox and quick players invaded ranked but my point is, how are they in gold league like not even in a day
meager gyro
That's not a suggestion 😅
languid cape
Fix up the league system and skill point system is ^
meager gyro
@languid cape How should we fix it?
languid cape
Remove placement games
crude ore
@meager gyro sorry for not answering. Will do! Also for bronze and silver?
floral heath
Rsww and Rrww are not setup changes, they are new “roles” like RRV and RSV. Btw if RSWW gets added make the Rrww the one we have rn with RWW and the Rsww icon the wwb silhouette
meager gyro
@crude ore You can suggest set ups for different leagues or just one of your choice
Just mention that set up 1 is for gold etc
wanton prism
@meager gyro I thought a few of us did sent very detailed suggestions to the staff and some even personally dmed the devs. But nothing have changed so far. And to add salt to injury the devs made this chaotic fiasco update for ranked
crude ore
I am too tired oof
meager gyro
No worries and thanks!
wanton prism
Sorry if I came off rude tho
Okay I Guess I was kind of ranting
So is there anything done as per suggested by some of us
For example:
Remove placement games and let the TOP 1000(?) players stay in the highest leagues
Increasing the sp required for gold
meager gyro
@languid cape That's a suggestion! And why should we? Any idea how to improve them?
@wanton prism Yes please stay kind, I dont think being rude helps here 😄
Welp this is the #feedback-readonly channel so it's best to post the feedback in here
Furthermore suggestions don't have to be added, it depends on the devs in the end
There might be some #dev-vote in future regarding general game suggestions and also ranked games
But also this doesnt mean those things will change
Some suggestion might sound good, but wont work others might be hard to implement
Some players want xy and others want to have it reversed after
And those were suggestions that have been suggested before I will add +1 on the list Thanks a lot!
languid cape
My point here as always is this, even if the roles are balanced the players wont be. First of all, someone who has only played ranked for a day or so can get to gold league by ease because of other players helping them. Second, how is it fair if somome who has like 7k skill points get matched up with a 2k skill point guy. My suggested solutions for these are adding more leagues which is a direct no from the devs, so make the current ones more limited and harder to reach. Also, if you dont want the higher leagues invaded by new players remove the placement system.
floral heath
2k skill point guy could be a genius and 7k player could be stupid still
languid cape
My brother had like 0 ranked games but playing 2 placement games got him into gold league which even got me irritated
meager gyro
@languid cape Thanks for the suggestion, making leagues harder has already been suggested before
meager gyro
Then it's already known
And for inprovements of the role set up, pls check out #community-announcements
languid cape
I had like 5 feedbacks, 2 of them having 40+ votes devs didnt even bother voting for them
meager gyro
I explained above that not all suggestions that sound good, are doable
Also devs are working hard to improve the (whole) game, suggestions wont be added instantly anyway in most cases
They will decide in the end
fading thistle
Please remove the random killer role in sandbox it's anoying cuz i can't use my killer tailsman
meager gyro
@fading thistle Normally talismans should affect the random roles 👀
fading thistle
No it don't
meager gyro
The random killer was added to give the mode more variability and it does affect your talismans in end if you get the role you equipped it for
I will add your suggestion to the list and I think we'll see how the other feedback about it will be
languid cape
Sandbox = a new testing platform for new role, full random with a lot of roles, moderate non-competitive players, playing for “fun” rather than to win, no faking of roles like aura because they can win without even needing to
Ranked = a competitive platform where more experienced players play, dynamic roles to reduce random and more predicting, showing your skill level
Conclusion: Ranked is not sandbox the random factor should be reduced and a more dynamic system should take place. Placing random mean that the players will win by “guessing” the evils and not predicting. Ranked#sandbox and never should be but currently it is.
And with the player flow because of the new random roles in ranked caused players with absolutely no ranked knowledge to be able to get into higher leagues this was possible because of the placement games and the “random” factor and not the skill level of that player
This is just generalized by me, you can be a sandbox player and 100% competitive but the popular isnt
runic dragon
Didn't they already remove kww, saboteur and bomber
languid cape
Im not arguing about kitten or bomber, im saying that ranked should be less random and more predicting rather than more random and guessing because it is basically the same as sandbox right now
This does not show the skill of the players but it shows the “luck”
glacial warren
How about reading #community-announcements?
languid cape
Its still suggesting that there should be random comp
floral heath
Ok but what about the suggestion where like RRV and RSV there should be RRww and RSww?
sudden dock
Emoji pack #3 idea
The Roles
Emoji 1- Regular emoji putting out the peace sign hands. As the hands come up, the pupils of the emojis eyes become peace signs
Emoji 2- Regular villager turning into werewolf
Emoji 3- sad emoji and jail bars come down
Emoji 4- scared person on fire
Emoji 5- old women looks like she is about to swear and as she does a black line covers the vision of her mouth (no auctual audio) 
Emoji 6- dark sect mask and eyes turn red
languid cape
Exactly ^ the randoms should be clasified as “random” such as rrv rsv and rw
sudden dock
tight mauve
i really like those emoji ideas!!
sudden dock
thank you!
meager gyro
@sudden dock Thank you very much for that cool idea! I'll post it in #feedback-devs
sudden dock
Im obsessed with emotes😂
tight mauve
you mean like with audio?
languid cape
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/666254112081444873
I want a feedback on this that doesnt include going to #community-announcements
sacred sable
Censor/blackbars cover up NSFW bits >>
normal wyvern
In the Battle Pass you can get emotes, as we all know. These emotes are visible in your own inventory. You can click all of them even you don't have them. If you don't have them but click on it, you will redirected to your own Battle Pass and which tier you are. not where the emote, you clicked, is.
So my suggestion: When you click in your inventory on a emote which you don't have, you should be redirected to the tier where it is and not to your current position. Maybe with a different circle it will show up, so you can easily see on which tier the emote you want is,
F
sacred sable
Yeah but
Only 2 emoji packs in shop, Duden
Fellow user there suggested a possible third set
runic dragon
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/666260217071271946
^ can this actually be seen and not get ignored? :v
sacred sable
Let's keep ignoring it to keep up the gag
serene lotus
Hi there. People have been giving feedbacks about ranked, especially about gold league, for a really long time now. Most of the feedbacks were about making ranked even more competitive, and making it safer for serious players. My question is why yall be changing the roles in ranked - in the most shitty way possible - and kinda try to turn gold into silver. We asked for more separation of the leagues. And I didn’t get an answer to my question to why the roles did change so yeah here I am asking for reasons 
ornate iris
Hey, who should i write if i got 500+ likes on my post in Instagram about WWO?
runic dragon
@serene lotus i think they’re doing some sort of data collecting to find the most balanced setup in ranked right now, with the new roles added
normal wyvern
@ornate iris Contact a moderator from here, Lisa is currently online. Please use #questions next time
runic dragon
i read it somewhere in this channel earlier ^
ornate iris
Ty
runic dragon
^
sacred sable
seer/det
ppl were okay with canni
serene lotus
Could any of the people with responsibilities ask the devs to come up with a statement about that because I don’t really get where you’re trying to go with the message in #game-updates . It should be more clear for why this role adaption is needed, how long it’s gonna take blablabla cause atm almost everyone seems to be confused why seer and alpha are in gold league
And kinda try to annouce stuff on the app as well, it’s literally impossible for people to understand what is going on if they don’t use discord
runic dragon
we were okay with canni because it’s more balanced compared to corr and kww
sacred sable
And also it renders sk useless-ish
Can just save up kills rather than sit & waste
runic dragon
^
if i can add to what monaps said, please really make a poll about these kind of big changes in #dev-vote, or at least notify us in advance, i believe we as active ranked players should have some sort of say in this and well, please don’t just say this big change is according to “popular demand” if there’s no official stats from an actual poll ^^’
ebon knot
Sk is just a sad role... Tbh
runic dragon
nah... sk isn’t that bad
peak knot
Sk and arso are just a little too weak for solo. But not bad roles.
Canni is the perfect buff imo
ebon knot
Oh,and i heard bb crying
runic dragon
canni is a buffed sk
fickle sage
Gold ranked has gone down the drain. You've replaced Aura/Det with Seer and implemented Alpha in there. This is nowhere near as challenging for Gold players, that's why Seer/Aura should remain in Silver. It was refreshing to see more varied Solo Killer roles but Bomber, come on. Spirit Seer, which is still bugged btw, is still in there and is still causing chaos by giving out incorrect info. This wasn't announced anywhere either. I understand this maybe for data collection but the devs haven't announced or planned this well at all and taken alot of ranked players by surprise. This experiment is currently messing around with everyone's skill points, this surely could have been done at a later date, potentially during off season?
peak knot
I like the fact everyone is standing up against the recent ranked changes
dreamy burrow
So who demanded for this change 😂
runic dragon
it was really sudden and weird
dreamy burrow
If everyone is against it
peak knot
The tournament idea could be good. But who is going to judge the comps? people that don't play ranked?
dreamy burrow
Popular vote
peak knot
Seems legit
dreamy burrow
Lol
languid cape
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/666254112081444873
I want a feedback on this that doesnt include going to #community-announcements
Everyone that is giving ranked feedback is getting ignored I see
sacred sable
"Uh-oh, we seemed to have pissed off the vocal part of ranked."
"So?"
"So what?"
"Exactly."
languid cape
I like how you said vocal part of ranked but clearly you can see its not just me here complaining
serene lotus
Tbh I thought that sb is the place to test roles and find out stuff about winning chances for each roles, the changes rn are just fucking up ranked games, making it so much harder for non-villagers to win, messing with our skill points 🤷♀️
sacred sable
Implication was: people clearly willing to type about it
And not just sit in votes or send anonymous reports to change stuff to how they want it
And far as we know, someone probably just used bots to fake how much people wanted it
Trolls are weird, man
runic dragon
can’t these tests be held in customs by one of the staff members with willing participants to test for the best comp instead of how it is messing with ranked now...
Where is the bot
I need the t-shirt
sinful hare
Bruh
west matrix
Can they just make a gap between players at least ?
Like why the f a 1.7k points wih 33 ranked wins should be in the same room with a 6k elo pts ?
tight mauve
its really funny to me how just about every player in ranked has been begging for all sorts of updates..like EVERYTHING has been suggested EXCEPT for this. yet this is what they came up with😭
languid cape
We get the opposite of we suggested 
because why not
runic dragon
it’s not the problem with the new roles (well, not mainly anyway.), but it’s the problem with how ranked changed so much within just a few hours
ebon knot
let just say ppl only care and think of their"Dream World"😒
runic dragon
i don’t really understand how implementing FT, KWW would involve adding seer into the role comp?
serene lotus
silence
is anyone even caring about what’s going on here
tight mauve
in a sec they’ll come in and refer us to the announcements again
languid cape
@ebon knot You got what you wanted right? Sandbox = ranked now
fickle sage
I honestly thought I accidently went into Sandbox during ranked. That's how bad it is.
languid cape
Also another thing, Why are we testing the new comp for ranked IN MID-SEASON???
“Testing” is for sandbox and not ranked
celest basalt
Also Please dont add all roles direct add Random OP Villager , Random Regular Villager , Random Evil , Random Solo Killer and Any
tight mauve
^^ and if this update (which i assume was meant as a test for this season) wasnt ready at the start of this season, why let the season go online anyway?
celest basalt
So we can claim something if we are bad
compact sleet
Just ask the devs are they professional enough to do their job or not
Also are there any clear SOP for their game 🙂
I saw seer in ranked "just for the test" which was dumb
peak knot
Haha the vocal part of ranked
celest basalt
Also please do some roles UNIQUE like Mayor i claiming rrv then 2 mayor revealing ? Where is balance
peak knot
We shouldn't bombard feedback telling how bad the changes are
Let's just see this as a chance to get a good comp
Since the devs are apparently willing to adjust to us. They just don't listen to the right people
celest basalt
We done with arso and sk they are very very not helping why Corrupt and Bomber added silver ? add in gold
peak knot
Random loose suggestions is not gonna cut it m8
languid cape
I really wonder who suggested kitten cupid bomber and corruptor in ranked
tight mauve
yeah let yumi write another 5 page essay on it and we should be good to go
languid cape
Devs have no ranked experience they cant understand
compact sleet
@languid cape some nabs
celest basalt
Cupid in ranked ? what 😂
peak knot
Suggestion:
Add gameplay managers to the staff team. They are required to play ranked and are the devs' #1 advisor if it comes to anything about ranked.
compact sleet
^
timber wren
Nab game
stoic blaze
lele
compact sleet
If you wanted to keep this game alive then u devs should try what @peak knot suggested
languid cape
I mean instead of listening to the sandbox players, they should listen to the serious ranked suggestions instead
Clueless people suggesting stuff for a mode that they dont even play
compact sleet
Its like u were asking suggestion how to fly to a bird who cant fly
bright plover
Bruh ranked is horrible now, and not even bc of things like fc and mm being actual roles
I’m just griping over seer
compact sleet
@bright plover one of the reason why i quit this game
bright plover
I haven’t even reached the part where people have started going over bomber as solo
I’ve been blessed as to n o t encounter that just yet
BUT DANG. I don’t think I can enter ranked anymore
compact sleet
Lol
peak knot
So much criticism on ranked now. And it's justified
timber wren
Anyone wanna play werewolf on Telegram 😂😂😂
stoic blaze
le
queen surge
HAHAHAH JIN
runic dragon
@timber wren LOL me 😏
queen surge
ohh hi
peak knot
Lisa 👀
compact sleet
@timber wren good idea
meager gyro
@normal wyvern Looks like a nice idea! Thanks for reporting!
@serene lotus @fickle sage @tight mauve Asking never hurts, but this is the place for suggestions, questions may go to #questions
There actually were a lot of people suggesting to change ranked roles and add new roles^^ BUT ofc it doesnt have to be the perfect set up instantly, that's why you have the chance to suggest the set up you think suits best in the tournament, you'll find all info in #community-announcements
@runic dragon @celest basalt You may read #community-announcements
@peak knot Please use this channel for suggestions and #wov-chat for chatting
@ebon knot
@languid cape
@tight mauve
@compact sleet as well
And pls stop cluttering up this channel, its meant for actual suggestions 😅
@dreamy burrow If sk is too strong in your opinion you may suggest a nerf
@sacred sable Please don't assume stuff/ spread false accussations, report with proof you you experienced that
meager gyro
You will have too need to repost it, because it got cluttered up it seems
meager gyro
@peak knot Nice idea, but it wouldnt really fit to the staff system
peak knot
Why not
meager gyro
thanks for it!
night perch
FeelsBadMan
meager gyro
Ranked doesnt have any special role within the game and we are staff for the whole game including the ranked part of it 😄
peak knot
And that's the problem
night perch
But everyone liked it before that update
peak knot
Because staff is too general, nobody is specialised in the ranked area. If you don't agree I invite you to #wov-chat
night perch
No joking
peak knot
Jesus no salt in here :/
west matrix
@night perch hahaha
peak knot
its not gonna help
meager gyro
We treat everyone equally, ranked suggestions have the same chance than anything else if they are good 🤔
night perch
Im just saying that update was bad a bit
peak knot
@meager gyro The problem is you can't know if they are good
night perch
Whats the difference between silver & gold league now?can I ask
peak knot
Because very few staff members play ranked
crisp isle
@peak knot did u suggest your role set ups yet?
peak knot
@crisp isle Not yet
compact sleet
Lisa, just gonna say i agreed with youp's suggestion, coz sometime u cant see something without experiencing it
Also u stole my ss :( @night perch
crisp isle
i think they want to have role set up suggestions
meager gyro
@night perch I'll ask you to stop commenting one more time non suggestions in here ^^
peak knot
Lisa, can I dm you for some role suggestion ideas?
night perch
Ok^^
peak knot
I did a research on the (well... previous ranked comps)
normal wyvern
@meager gyro Thank you! ❤️
meager gyro
@peak knot You can use #role-ideas-readonly for role suggestions and everything about role set ups is written in #community-announcements
Furthermore a big part of the team is playing ranked, lol. And the devs the decide in the end anyway
meager gyro
meager gyro
peak knot
So I can dm you
meager gyro
Sure
west matrix
A big part of the "team" suggested to remove det and replace it with seer ?
Im lost 😭
meager gyro
@west matrix You don't read properly ^^ Where did I say the team suggested it 🤔
Still pls use this channel for suggestions
west matrix
So who made it legit ?
Sb players..?
Ok i suggest to have det in gold league
👀 ?
zenith kayak
Please change the setups back to how they were in ranked, and have a separate testing season with no skill gain or loss, just exp.
meager gyro
Please do not even start trashtalking sb players in here ^^
You may read the screenshot 2 messages above or the post in the channel @west matrix
@zenith kayak Please read the screenshot 3 messages above or the post in #community-announcements
zenith kayak
I'm sorry what does that have to do with saving people's skill for this season?
peak knot
Also kind of awkward that only 1 staff member is active in feedback when the devs drop a bomb on us
celest basalt
We dont want seer we dont want tournament for rolesss
celest basalt
Tournament for seer ?
peak knot
But they don't
zenith kayak
I'm just talking about doing that when people haven't worked to climb the ranks
celest basalt
I think just remove seer
meager gyro
It's okay 😅
We are looking for good alternitves
Changing ranked roles was indeed suggested a few times
Everyone who wanna suggest a role set up for ranked may dm one of us
Remember to use this channel for suggestions
bright plover
Let’s try and take a different approach to this. The new ranked comps are fine, woohoo. I appreciate that you guys are trying to spice up the meta or sumn. If we must do it in the middle of a season, then do it in like bronze or silver. Gold is too competitive for stuff like seer and bomber...
celest basalt
This is role play game and seer ruining everything
peak knot
@bright plover 🤣
bright plover
It may be selfish but it’s certainly better than berating the mods
zenith kayak
I'm genuinely suggesting we finish this season out normally and have a season that doesn't interfere with skill points
west matrix
Who would SUGGEST having seer instead of det in GOLD league ?
glacial warren
@celest basalt pinned.
You all comply about the same thing which is actually in #community-announcements and the pinned messages.
@west matrix read pinned.
tight mauve
someone who got better results in silver
peak knot
I wonder why all people are complaining about the same thing 🤡
west matrix
The question was "who"..but okay 😂
night perch
Well I win as ww more when seer hell came to gold league
But its not good
tight mauve
🤔?
glacial warren
@peak knot ans I wonder why nobody sends us role set ups if they are not happy ^^ we both don't get an answer
zenith kayak
@glacial warren should I send my role setups to you?
peak knot
I just sent Lisa a role set up
zenith kayak
I sent to Unicron
night perch
@glacial warren well some ppl already sent it and waiting for asnwer👀
glacial warren
@zenith kayak sure but if you already send it to maje, I would say be patient and wait xD
runic dragon
glacial warren
@night perch 12h is the time and we don't need a discussion meanwhile since we all are already up.
@peak knot you will see then but we also don't judge alone .
peak knot
🤔🤔
dense bison
Can we get a role tournament soon?
zenith kayak
I'm sorry if this comes off as rude:
Why are you doing this in the middle of the season?? Can't you have like, a different season for it? People are mainly upset that this is messing with skill.
peak knot
People that get lynched as medium I bet.
glacial warren
@dense bison maybe ^^ we will see
zenith kayak
This was the first season I maintained top 500
dense bison
@glacial warren How long has it been before the last one?????????
wintry marsh
The new ranks is sad. If you wanted to push people to uninstall, you did it.
west matrix
@zenith kayak i agree with you
wintry marsh
@zenith kayakwe asked for better placement of ranks and instead, we got this crap. (Not sorry, highly disappointed)
glacial warren
@zenith kayak well that's a nice question, but they probably weren't prepared for such a "No" of the ranked players. I agree with you, that in the middle of the season is a bit wrong placed, but mistakes happen and the devs are just humans 
night perch
Devs really surprised us🤡
glacial warren
@wintry marsh read pinned.
bright plover
Lol since when were people suggesting the revamp of ranked comps???
west matrix
The devs are ranked players ? @glacial warren
glacial warren
@bright plover since 1 year users suggest to add/change ranked roles ^^
sacred sable
Since people were trying to discuss a Platinum rank
bright plover
hmm I see
west matrix
And the 1year players (im one of them)..are ranked players too ?
glacial warren
@west matrix the devs get suggestions from users and users vote for things. The role changes were suggested by users and voted by users ^^
languid cape
That dont play ranked, that is ^
runic dragon
coughs im still in bronze and can't get back on gold. 🙂
west matrix
Good users then
glacial warren
@languid cape ranked players also suggested it ^^
night perch
Sandbox players suggested this
languid cape
I cant imagine of a ranked player suggesting that but ok.
bright plover
egad
night perch
And it not means to put seer instead of det
runic dragon
Change ww seer to kww in platinum.
I want to play but i got banned yesterday for being in a DIZZZ fight can u un ban me?
languid cape
Ask them
night perch
U can add canni,curr & cupid on rank
And use det(50%)/ss (50%)
glacial warren
Nope. Also ranked players. And don't start a drama out of it.
You are not happy with it --> suggest a role set up in a helper+ dms.
You already suggested one --> amazing! We posted them then and in 10h it's over and we will continue
You complain here --> this channel is not #complain but #feedback-readonly.
^ Everyone makes mistakes.
runic dragon
Where is englidh?
languid cape
Whenever I send negative feedback i refered to #wov-chat
This isnt a #suggestion @glacial warren
Im giving my honest feedback
west matrix
No "decent"..not even "pro". Player.can suggest having seer (aka the most easiest op role)..in a competitive serious league (gold)
wintry marsh
I'm sorry but these roles (for gold rank??) make 0 sense and I really feel like we bombarded feedback with good suggestions and actual feedback.
native epoch
@glacial warren May I know when the poll about kww, ft, etc was held?
glacial warren
Well you all complain about the ranked roles. Meanwhile some users really do something by suggesting role set ups for ranked and we discuss here about something which can't be changed rn.
Philipp was here in the morning. He is aware of it. He talked to users.
Now stop this completely useless discussion.
@wintry marsh read pinned
runic dragon
Feedback: Make a new channel called "complain". It would help alot.🤡
heavy yew
heyyy so is the new ranked role temporary/test ?
native epoch
@glacial warren According to Lisa, that decision of adding kww, ft, etc. is according to PUBLIC VOTE
bright plover
This is just sad to read and is totally killing my vibe
native epoch
So where is it
west matrix
I actually thought its a bug when i played seer games earlier.
wintry marsh
I did read pinned.
runic dragon
fickle sage
You're dismissing the more critical "feedback" and directing towards unrelated channels. Feedback & suggestions can be both positive & negative. Can't pick all the positive ones and just instantly dismiss anything negative. Im off if this is the case.
serene lotus
What a shitshow 🤡
runic dragon
Well said @fickle sage. I waited for that statement for ages now.
glacial warren
Feedback = saying and suggesting to change something you are not happy with
What you do -> complaining and not reading. If you would read, then you would know that we are actually working on it.
@heavy yew yes check pinned
west matrix
Suggestion:
Sb players (whoever they are),are irrelevant to ranked games matters.
runic dragon
I believe feedbacks has some sort of negative into it. A critical suggestion, i say. Play stores feedbacks for example.
primal fox
seer game on gold rank really? thats terrible :( why ?
glacial warren
@fickle sage we don't ignore negative feedback. If we would ignore it, I wouldn't be here discussing with you ^^
It is just unnecessary and it's going on since nearly 9h. It is the same discussion
@west matrix suggestion: don't target sandbox players.
bright plover
Here let me suggest a well accepted comp to the mods like s u g g e s t e d
glacial warren
@primal fox check pinned?
runic dragon
Split the feedbacks into 2 then? negative one and a positive one. ??? @glacial warren
native epoch
Mods would you please host custom game to test each game set and extend the time for testing?
12 hrs are not enough
west matrix
No one targetted them..but a lot of them were making their opinions in ranked matters
sacred sable
Sounds pretty targeted just like when those other four did it the last couple weeks
serene lotus
We’re giving feedback here. We complain too, yes, but just because it doesn’t seem as if yall take us seriously. You cannot explain any of the stuff that is going on atm besides saying stuff like “it has been suggested and the devs decided to do so”. We aren’t trying to start drama here, we just want you to take us seriously and actually listen what we have to say about improving the game. Yall just be sending us away, it’s the players who keep the game going. So I don’t understand what’s so hard about actually interacting with the players and listening to what they have to say 🤷♀️
glacial warren
@native epoch well we will see if we can do it, since we discuss (9h) with users which are complaining about the same thing (since 9h) and don't suggest a role set up
native epoch
@glacial warren
High Ranked RoleList
Medium
Aura Seer
Spirit Seer and Alpha WW (50%)
..or Detective and Shaman WW (50%)
Jailer (33%)/ Witch (33%)/ Marksman(33%)
Gunner
Doctor (50%)/ Bodyguard (50%)
TG/RL/Sher/Av/BH (All 20%)
Priest/Mayor/Forkman/Paci (All 25%)
Random Regular Villager x2
Wolf Seer
Rsww
Wwb/nww/jr/ww seer
Rrww
Reg ww/Alpha/ shaman
Fool
Serial Killer (33%)/ Arsonist (33%)/ Cannibal (33%)
There are others
west matrix
ranked players staff would defnietly question this "seer in gold comp"..thingy,lol
glacial warren
Amazing! Thanks for your help 
@native epoch
west matrix
Idk just my opinion
golden scarab
I have also spoke about seer in gold league and it's not suitable and it shouldn't be suitable here
wanton prism
@glacial warren can you add the original one Into the tournament also?
serene lotus
And there are reasons for why silver league is also known as „seer hell“
peak knot
Btw well spoken @serene lotus
serene lotus
thanks i put my whole heart into it 🤧
peak knot
I donate mine
balmy lark
Why the freak did they add seer into freaking gold ranked
glacial warren
@serene lotus sorry if it sounds like we don't take you serious, but we actually do. It is just extremely hard to always discusse the same thing, while we currently search for a solution. You probably agree, that it is not necessary to discuss something for 9h if there is currently nothing to do than the options we offered in #community-announcements.
You can DM us role set ups etc but continuing here will just heat everyone up and start a drama even if you don't want to it actually happens.
Moreover nobody reads what we actually say.
I said the 5th time, that we can't change it right now
@wanton prism I can do it yes. If you dm me the role set up
balmy lark
It freak exposed my cover, stupid replacement
native epoch
@serene lotus @peak knot BTW pls submit game set
native epoch
I have sent my own to !min!
native epoch
@glacial warren
Please take game record during testing
glacial warren
If we test them.
west matrix
Emm..and what was wrong with the prev one tho ? (Det in gold league)..did "ranked players" complained about it ?
native epoch
@glacial warren hold custom game for testing
runic dragon
Put this into discord announcements
glacial warren
@west matrix already said yes
@runic dragon we are aware of it and will delete everything. I guess we will put it there soon ^^ thank you very much for the suggestion
@native epoch if => we don't know if we can do so and there are pretty much set ups.
runic dragon
K
native epoch
@glacial warren
post the procedures in announcement after you all have discussed
west matrix
Oh nice..detective is too hard...thank you for the changes!
We defnietly need less competitive gameplay since we play wwo for living.
glacial warren
We don't decide alone as I already said many messages above
@west matrix read pinned 🙃
west matrix
sent away
glacial warren
Read pinned.
golden scarab
Seer shouldn't be in any of the set ups in gold league. This is one of my final feedbacks about it and it changes the game the most
crisp isle
I want to suggest an ez fix for gold rank. Replace medium with bh or a normal villager. Keep seer and aura.
native epoch
You have no claim space as ww/ solo with seer ig
Still OP
dry violet
Ty for adding more fortune teller and a random killer to sandbox games
balmy lark
@crisp isle it’s a dumb idea no offence
crisp isle
How about jr fake seer and perma kill seer(no med) earlly. They will think twice before killing a seer now
dry violet
But I think you should also do 1 random we instead of knowing all 3/4 wws roles
balmy lark
Seer is freaking stupid
End of convo
Especially when there’s seer apprentice
It gets annoying
native epoch
@crisp isle Perma kill seer= Perma kill other important roles
bright plover
if you get rid of med then there is no skill involved and the meta will be stale
one jr tag wins the game :/
native epoch
Jr tagging med needs skill
bright plover
Not to mention if rww is berserk 😂
then aura will fall and then you have no Info 😔
native epoch
We kill gunner instead lol
glacial warren
🙃
bright plover
Yeah getting rid of 3 bullets is delicious
glacial warren
How about.... Reading?
knotty kelp
Seer is even worst than pacifist.
glacial warren
Read pinned.
west matrix
So if this is suggested by "ranked players"...why ranked players are complainning..that hard ?
ember iron
Hi, a big problem is happen on brazilian server. The players are extremaly toxics, is impossible play with that guys. Many days i can't play a normal game, always games have many trolling. Here it is a print to show a little that i'm talking about.
glacial warren
Hey ^^ please make sure to report them in game!
west matrix
I read pinned...nothing answer my question
lapis perch
Revert the changes to ranked
west matrix
So if this is suggested by "ranked players"...why ranked players are complainning..that hard ?
ember iron
Yeah, i report. But is every game, i'm not exaggerating, for this i choice report here. Sorry for any complication
lapis perch
Seer is so bad. We go to ranked to escape seer games
glacial warren
Stop the discussion about ranked roles set up and read pinned.
west matrix
😂
glacial warren
@ember iron don't worry ^^ check out #ingame-reports-archieved for further information 💡
west matrix
Im making feedback..why would I stop stating an opinion ?
native epoch
Lemme summarize the msg pinned today
- Suggest a game set
- Multiple game sets
west matrix
Im not offending anyone..just asking :)
glacial warren
I won't say anything I said above again.
west matrix
Also...pinned messages are not aswering my question
So if this is suggested by "ranked players"...why ranked players are complainning..that hard ?
This onz.
fringe ferry
I don't like this
glacial warren
@west matrix well maybe you can tell me? I did not suggest the changes ~~
glacial warren
@lapis perch stop the discussion 🙃
runic dragon
Ranked Setup - Gold League
1• Fool (50%) HH(50%)
2• Detective (50%) Spirit Seer (50%)
3• Kitty Werewolf (50%) Werewolf Seer (50%)
4• Cursed (100%)
5• Marksman (50%) Gunner (50%)
6• Random Werewolf (50%) Junior Werewolf (50%)
7• Arsonist (30%) Serial Killer (30%) Illusionist (30%)
8• RRV (100%)
9• RRV (100%)
10•Pacifist (50%) Jailer (50%)
11• Medium (100%)
12• Shaman (100%)
13• Guardian Werewolf (100%)
14• Doctor (30%) Tough Guy (30%) Bodyguard (30%)
15• Aura Seer (100%)
16• Priest (50%) Witch (50%)
lapis perch
That's not feedback that's a question Bannedirl
ember iron
@glacial warren Ok. Thanks for helping.
lapis perch
NO DO NOT PUT KITTEN WEREWOLF IN RANKED
glacial warren
@runic dragon "dms of a helper+"
golden scarab
Why are you guys so defensive, you didn t expected negative feedback towards this? I don t want to attack anyone but this is what yoh get if you don t listen the majority that knows what is rank about
lapis perch
Majority of ranked didnt want this.
runic dragon
@glacial warren I cant see them.
wanton prism
Kitten and cursed= 6 ww
That’s broken
glacial warren
Last time I tell you to stop. Next is a mute. It's enough since I just say the same thing since 1h
runic dragon
@lapis perch Well the thing is you just need to nerf kww that its ability wont be used in day 1.
native epoch
@runic dragon Is this a quick game?
fringe ferry
N hell nah to mm or gunner
languid cape
https://discordapp.com/channels/414179354814185498/416576750991048705/666254112081444873
Everything that I have summarized..
no more words from me
zenith kayak
Please change the setups back to how they were in ranked, and have a separate testing season with no skill gain or loss, just exp.
lapis perch
@runic dragon it's broken no matter what.
runic dragon
@native epoch Stop being rude.
zenith kayak
Please change the setups back to how they were in ranked, and have a separate testing season with no skill gain or loss, just exp.
native epoch
@runic dragon That nerf is useless, cuz as long as you are alive, you can still use it
zenith kayak
People are uninstalling
lapis perch
sandbox players shouldnt be voting for the new ranked composition
west matrix
Muting us for stating opinions
LET'S GO !
wanton prism
@runic dragon no that doesn’t help. Imagine converting a seer. Then this seer can go on to give fake info the whole game
zenith kayak
Sandbox players don't understand ranked
glacial warren
Stop attacking anyone. I promise I will just mute you if you continue 😉
peak knot
Guys I think they got the message. Quit it please
languid cape
lapis perch
It's not attacking
runic dragon
@wanton prism Not everygame is kww and not everygame can convert seer.
lapis perch
@glacial warren how is giving our feedback an attack?
runic dragon
Its called a deception game for a reason.
zenith kayak
People are installing the game
runic dragon
Kww is ready for rank
native epoch
50% is quite a lot @runic dragon
peak knot
@lapis perch @zenith kayak You're not really helping
runic dragon
Its not broken. Its a little bit above the average...
lapis perch
@peak knot what am I supposed to do. Sit by while they destroy ranked and lose 90% of ranked players worth anything
zenith kayak
I'm trying to help but forget this 🙄🙄🙄
reef pastureBOT
BetaDog#5272 has been muted
runic dragon
Seer is broken.
languid cape
Im gonna see after the role set up, if its broken like this again dont expect me to bother you in feedback anymore @glacial warren
silk shale
You bois should at least ask the ranked community if setups should get changed and not just make gold to silver without even asking us
wanton prism
6 ww + solo killer and assuming evil roles made good kills, village is doomed
fringe ferry
I'm saying don't let lvl - 50 get in ranked
peak knot
@lapis perch They know very well the changes were misplaced. No need to repeat it over and over again
runic dragon
Wait maybe i should increased killing roles in village
good idea.
Avenger would fit this.
west matrix
@fringe ferry i was top 60 and im lvl 48 😂
glacial warren
Being mean to translators -> not acceptable.
Attacking sandbox players > not acceptable.
Stop.
balmy lark
CHANGE the gold ranked role list because people are NOT used to it and they didn’t knew the changes and might claim rrv on accident
languid cape
Whos attacking sandbox players???????????
fringe ferry
OK then lvl 30 can inter ranked
west matrix
@languid cape i want an answer too 😂
zenith kayak
I'm not trying to attack sandbox players, I'm stating that if they don't play ranked they shouldn't get a say in what goes on there
glacial warren
@balmy lark read. I will answer your dm asap
zenith kayak
:/
silk shale
Also please announce how you changed setups (which role replaces another one) not just that you changed them.
west matrix
@zenith kayak exactly.
fringe ferry
Like how even lvl 11 at Golden????
peak knot
They got the message
balmy lark
This experiment is playing with my skill points too
glacial warren
Just stop the whole discussion. It is still unnecessary and I told you all a few times now!
balmy lark
I ain’t happy with it
wanton prism
Guys please stop
night perch
Guys hyde is getting mad :(
balmy lark
U guys are making big changes without a notice
runic dragon
Yes
west matrix
Its a VERY big twist in the game with no previous announcment..i guess we re right about it :/
glacial warren
....
tight mauve
poor hyde😂😂
bright plover
Yk he’s stayed rather sane being the only one fending off a shitstorm of pissed ranked players
golden scarab
Guys we have the set up votes going on soon, let s use diplomacy, we're in fact ranked players and we need posture in this