speculations

[dire plank]

web still opens

[dusky perch]

that aura was socerer for sure

[bitter wadi]

WAIT WHAT

corruptor tried to kill me and red lady visited me,but i didnt get corrupted since i visited 15

[dire plank]

I forgot how much gems you need to spend each week, added now

bro we need to spend 300 gems per two weeks if we want to get all bp icons

[rotund river]

Good thing the icons arent my style

[dusky perch]

good thing that im rich

[empty tree]

ngl, thats pain

[dire plank]

wont take so long, game is drinking our money fr, no one can survive more than 6 bps without spending money on game if they want to take all icons

[short epoch]

Batte pass coin = Honor

[dire plank]

I edited this again

[dire plank]

nah even honor was better, atleast we didnt needed to p2w

[bitter wadi]

😭

[bitter wadi]

nah not that much,this can still do the job

[short epoch]

Both are trash

[dire plank]

yhhh

game should give spoiler this BIG changes to players before they directly add them to the game... We could vt if we wanted this new bp shop thing or not...

[short epoch]

i miss on bp 32 or 33 they de gem to 200 gems. then they inc to 240 back

TThis game not care gamer. the only care money of player

[quick marsh]

truei

[bitter wadi]

@dusky perch do you have png of sect leader skull

[dusky perch]

skull?

[bitter wadi]

yeah

[bitter wadi]

YES THANKS

[solid abyss]

Why this looks goody wheb its big

[bitter wadi]

i was gonna send this as an example

[solid abyss]

👀

I would never guess it with this pic

[bitter wadi]

lmaoo

[steady quiver]

How can we have the 2024 outfit

[gloomy cargo]

that doesn't work tho

[bitter wadi]

Happy new year! in chat

[gloomy cargo]

they made a vote for hn system. majority voted no

[steady quiver]

Yes I did it and then ? I don’t have 😦

[bitter wadi]

uhh idk

[gloomy cargo]

maybe try closing app/browser and opening again, sometimes that works

[bitter wadi]

irritated potato

YOURE NOT A FISH???

[steady quiver]

Okk tyyyyy

[bitter wadi]

fishotato

trade claendar

[snow bay]

Hello, how can we have the 2024 glasses ?

[spare harness]

use 24 flowers in inventory

you just should buy them

[snow bay]

Thanks you !

[spare harness]

No problems :D

[true crown]

we can take toxıc wolf role ıcon ıf we send new calendar to someone ıts true?

[agile basin]

indeed, you can check it when you click on "send a gift"

[true crown]

but how I can fınd somebody to send calendar together lıke trade

[lost shard]

Salam

[agile basin]

you can ask in #exchanges for a trade

(I think you need to be discord level 9, so you need to chat a littl ebit first)

[opaque mulch]

I'm sorry, I understand wanting to collect things sure, but how does not having an item that you wouldn't have without the update anyway "ruin the game"?
The icon doesn't even influence the game

[agile basin]

fr, I don't get why people is so angry about the bp shop. In previous seasons, by doing all 6 challenges you got 3 piece of outfit, 600 gold and two icons. Now, by doing the same, you can buy 4 pieces of outfit, 600 gold and two icons. In adittion, you gain the chance of choicing your rewards. For the same ammount of coins, you can get all 5 pieces of clothes and 200 gold (still getting 2 icons). (or if you don't care that much about cosmetics, 600 gold, 2 vouchers and only 1 icon, or 1 voucher, 400 gold 2 piece of outfit and get 2 icons...)

Then, you have new extra rewards you didn't had before. While is it true that you will probably need to spend gems, you can get two more vouchers, 2 pieces of outfit and 1 icon more than before. Also take into account that, if you don't like the rewards of one biweekly shop, you can do your challenges and safe coins to buy the whole shop next refresh, if there's one particulary extra icon you like, for example. What is more, if you level up your battle pass you get exactly 600 seasonal coins, enough to get (if you do the challenges) 9 items from the shop one biweek, enough to get all 3 icons one refresh.

Although I am not a fan forcing the player to refuse to some rewards that will become exclusive unless they spend gems, and I would have prefered the coins to be obtained by other methods; after all there are more rewards for the same effort and it is not "p2w" as I read, since rewards are just cosmetics.

[solid abyss]

No iys not same

Tahats why I hate it

[agile basin]

What of what I have said it's not true?

I made the maths myself, so they may be wrong

[solid abyss]

We dont get same amount tjong woth last battel pass

[agile basin]

what is tjong?

[solid abyss]

Every season we get

[agile basin]

perk vouchers? well, following this process you get one less voucher, but in exchanges obtain 4 extra pieces of outfit and 1 extra role icon. and you can always resign to the outfit of a 2week to get that extra voucher

[opaque mulch]

I think it would be cool if you could pick which role icon to claim but the freedom to pick other rewards is great

[agile basin]

and be in the same point as before, same vouchers, same gold, same adittional outfits and one extra icon

[opaque mulch]

Anyway, there's still #1052307374179885226 🤷🏻‍♀️

[agile basin]

Yeah, that's what I don't like completely. Specially because you are not able to know which icons are gonna appear next week, so it's hard to predict if you want to save coins or not

[solid abyss]

3 voucher 12 items 12 200 gold

We obtain total 4800 -> coint trughed weeks

2520 avatar items 1440 for gold and 960 for voucher -> 4920

I dont add this bp cause not every player can obtain every tier some of player but all tier at the end of the season -> example my freind dont play last season and only watch adds every day at tje end of the bp he buy 96 tiers

[solid abyss]

Its one of my feed back

[solid abyss]

I do 1 feed-back and it contains 4 differnt feed-back in it 🤡👍

I dont want to do spam cause

[gloomy cargo]

exchange vouchers were already hard to get why make them harder to obtain.

[solid abyss]

The obly reliable sorce of voucher is cut this seasln

And not everyone can finish all chalneges for example I cpuldnt finish the missiom

Play with 40 friend like last 3 season

🙃

So I going to get -200 or -400 silver coin already

[agile basin]

I mean, that issue has always been there. This season they just add the option to use gems to "skip" challenges

yeah, they got moved to the shop

but you can still get 2 vouchers without resigning to rewards you used to get other seasons (and doing this gives you one adittional icon than before)

or you can get rid of icons and get 8 vouchers per season, of course

[true crown]

oki thx

we can take xp ın thıs channel?

[agile basin]

not sure, but I believe almost all regular channels offer xp (bot commands I think does not, for example)

[solid abyss]

Guys...

I made something...

7 feed back in 1 feed back chat

Then no 2 jcons per week 👀

If you get items aswell

No

Cause not evry plauer can do tiers

Skme of them buy later

Tiers

You know?

Not everyone likes you pls think with this

Yeah and nah

But its not up to bp?

[uneven schooner]

there are 9 role icons in this bp (#item-previews message)
a bp lasts 2 months, so afaik

week 1-2: 3 icons
week 2-4: 2 icons
week 4-6: 2 icons
week 6-8: 2 icons

[solid abyss]

12 icon realse to us

So it should be 3 ever 1-2 week

[uneven schooner]

wait can i see the other 3 icons

ive only seen 9, im nub

[agile basin]

yeah, some of the icons even from this week are not in #item-previews for some reason. There are 12 leaked icons

[solid abyss]

@uneven schooner

[short ether]

[uneven schooner]

a mb then, i didnt see cani fool det

ye ur math checks out then

[solid abyss]

When I try to say per week in 2 week pahse

[tropic cove]

nah bc im so mad where tf did this offer go

[unreal falcon]

How do I get the 2024 shirt?

[exotic bridge]

Happy New Year ig

[unreal falcon]

Thankss

Can it be in the lobby

[visual bone]

Yeah

Hat seems to not be working, does the person need to be online?

[crystal basin]

Anyone trade the dragon calendar (cuz my dc lv does not reach to lv 9)

[alpine kestrel]

close and open the game again

[swift mantle]

I hope they can change the role icon challenges like the old one and keep the bp shop to buy the 4 icons and some stuff

[lost shard]

#off-topic

[visual bone]

Oh, worked

Game didnt give me a notif that i got a new item like it did with the shirt

[torpid sparrow]

there was a perfect system that worked beautifully before, and now they changed it to something much much worse

I know icons dont influence the game. Its about how we used to acquire the seasonal icons Vs how we need to acquire it now.

Only 5/6 quests were needed to complete, but now i need to complete all 6/6 to get only two icons and i cant choose which one so the first ever sorc icon is impossible to reach

I hate doing 'play 50 games with friends' quest but now i am FORCED to do it if i want the 2nd icon.

The fact that OG role icon (sorcerer) was limited as the 9 items req, it really concerns me as priest is an OG role too and as i said above. I need that icon.

So yeah, they did really pull a ClashRoyaleUpdateForLoosers on this one

Take sth perfect and ruin it in the names of money

[solid abyss]

Cant sayless cant say more

[runic nexus]

double wings :o

[latent jewel]

I always do that 50 friend quest by just playing normally and adding literally everybody as friends. Someone always accepts and it counts as playing with a friend

[quaint summit]

same xD

[latent jewel]

Wait so basically I have to buy the useless ass coins from the bp shop and ignore the vouchers to get all icons? Bs

[quaint summit]

thats the point

[steady quiver]

happy new year in game chat

[steep hinge]

Say 'Happy New Year' in a game

[alpine kestrel]

let's goo

[opaque mulch]

You claim the game is perfect and deserves 5 stars, then you say the game is ruined and rate it 1 while sticking to the fact that "I know icons don't influence the game." My bad but I'm not following
And you don't need 6 challenges, you can do 5 and claim 6 rewards, no? 3 gold purchases, 3 item purchases is 990 BPC, 5 challenges give you 1000 BPC

[marsh wyvern]

How did you get the red?

[alpine kestrel]

staff guys

staff + translator & designers

[opaque mulch]

Designers aren't staff, "wov team/contributors" would be a better way to word it

[opaque mulch]

Or that

[empty tree]

still wondering how to be a contributors

besides being staff and designers or trans

[bitter wadi]

are server boosters contributors?

[worn marten]

ye nice

[obtuse folio]

Hi ! I have a question 😭 Did they remove the offer of easter role icones ???

i cant see it anymore 😭

[torpid sparrow]

My bad, i tought coins were 130 points when i wrote that

I am just mad about this change, and i am worried that priest icon is gonna require 9 items

I will fix my revivew if its not 9 items, if you have read this chat before, you can see that i am craving for a priest icon

[bitter wadi]

could you read dms?

[steep hinge]

How the flip am i supposed to tell what grids ive been on

[obtuse folio]

note them x)

[runic nexus]

i just do it from 1 to 16

[versed creek]

Lies more in the implementation rather than being upset about the icons: there were better alternative approaches they could have taken

[dusk hemlock]

thats the neat part

[steep hinge]

Too late

[obtuse folio]

restart 😂

[dusk hemlock]

as if they always care about players opinion

[obtuse folio]

did someone know smth about that ?

at 1:00 it was in the shop

and now, it's not

[lost shard]

Ok

[steep hinge]

Remember the gum i gave you in class

[opaque mulch]

It's as Tim said, staff + designers + translators

[steep hinge]

True

They couldve implemented old system w new system

[obtuse folio]

this person got the xmas item background 😭 that means that she got all of them and won the surprise one 💀 HOW 😭

i got only three 😭

[short ether]

I got all idk

Like 1 item every 2 loot boxes

[obtuse folio]

💀

[viral ruin]

It's sad to see the server mods trying to juggle this to say that this change isn't so bad when it is very bad.

[opaque mulch]

Yea, I hate when people give their opinion makes me sad too

It's even worse when it comes along facts, that really pushes the limit

[viral ruin]

But I imagine they're doing this to avoid getting burned on the server, so there's not much we can do

[obtuse folio]

why it's red huh ?

[viral ruin]

the only fact is that the Devs are being stingy with this system

[opaque mulch]

#1052307374179885226 is open go on, no one stops you
I'll be the first to speak up when I agree on something just like I'll be glad to disagree

[alpine kestrel]

cause I like Ferrari

[obtuse folio]

it was a real question :((

[viral ruin]

Seriously, this game is monetized in 40 different ways, there is no justification for this change other than pure greed and that is very sad

[viral ruin]

I already opened it, me and a group of people. since the majority opinion is that this system is terrible and should not exist

[opaque mulch]

You get the same items, people that want to invest more can unlock extra things. No one is taking it away from you
Is it really that bad that the devs are taking profit off those that want to collect and have more?

[lost shard]

Ban-d

[viral ruin]

Yes, it is, because most players are F2P and BP has always been a fair system for everyone. Now they stepped on most players' faces for money that, to be honest, they didn't need.

[opaque mulch]

Are you free f2p and unable to purchase extra BPC?

[viral ruin]

And if you see, a lot of people in the feedback are saying that they will abandon the game if this is not changed (myself included), do you think this is a benefit if people start leaving because greed has gotten out of control?

[carmine river]

How to get the New Year hat?

[wind idol]

Ye

[alpine kestrel]

it's for staff members, designers and translators

[wind idol]

DM 'happy new year'

[opaque mulch]

That's fine, no problem with that, you still get the items you could get before + have the freedom of choosing

[wind idol]

In the Wov DMs

And do it in chat for the shirt

[viral ruin]

the extra BP is basically 50 reais, it's a lot of money for those who live in Brazil.

[carmine river]

Thank you 😊

[viral ruin]

This phrase "Oh, if you can't pay, just lose the content and everything's fine🤗" doesn't go over well at all.

[opaque mulch]

I don't think there's a point in saying more than this, it's rhetorical, don't feel forced to answer
Do you think you're less greedy than the developers for wanting more free items than the ones you were getting before? The ones you had and have are not enough?

[graceful violet]

you can buy BPC? with gems or coins??

[agile basin]

wov players when they cannot get free rewards without paying the game:

[agile basin]

gems, 160 gems are 340 bp coins, i.e.

[viral ruin]

Yes I think, because I have 560 loyalty tokens and I invested a LOT in this game for them to simply make me pay for the only thing that was free.

[opaque mulch]

It's still free, the extra is payed

[graceful violet]

that is pretty dumb, but if you dont wanna buy it then just dont, idk whats the issue here

literally lol

[viral ruin]

And in fact, it is because of this type of thinking that the government of most countries has laws that prevent the prices of things from increasing massively. because there has to be awareness while looking for profit.

[viral ruin]

If is extra payed its not free

[agile basin]

I think it's just an extra. If you are a regular expender, you can buy to get more things

[graceful violet]

I havent spent a dollar on this game and im still having fun with no complains honestly, so yea these items are 100% extra

[civic trellis]

Much as I agree in aspects, especially with the fact that they shouldn't of implemented the bp shop as it was, like seriously there were a fuck ton of other ways to execute this. We can't be rude.

[steep hinge]

Ive spent £7 on the game

[opaque mulch]

The things that "were free" are free, the additions are payed
I don't know how to word this in a more effective way

[viral ruin]

There's no way because it doesn't exist, so I can't say it in a better way

Or its free or its not

Theres not a between

[civic trellis]

Honestly the only issue I see is that instead of tacking something onto something nobody complained about they should've implemented something new. All I can say is good idea. Terrible execution.

[viral ruin]

I'm not mad at you specifically dot, already explaining. I'm angry with the Devs because for me the change is unacceptable and I'm one step away from dropping the game.

[steep hinge]

I wish i bought mafia pass

[opaque mulch]

#speculations message
I don't think we're gonna reach common grounds here, I really don't have the time to further explain how what you had before for free still exists for free
I'm sure there's people around that will have the kindness and availability to explain that though

[steep hinge]

38 hours to charge my phone

Yh rip this trash charger

[viral ruin]

It's like lootbox, the idea is good but the execution is good with surreal greed. That's the problem with mobile gaming companies. No wonder they're not half as successful as Console/PC games

[opaque mulch]

I'm a big fan of the freedom to choose idea, the only thing I would've added onto was to make you also able to pick the role icons you want to unlock

Anyway, take care everyone, happy new year and all of that

[civic trellis]

The issue simply arises when your limited in your choice and then are locked out of 1/3rd of it.

[viral ruin]

limiting the player with paid things that were previously free is ridiculous.

[civic trellis]

Let me explain this. I agree fully. I made #1191319756372975616 for a reason. Debating the changes with dot will do us nothing.

[viral ruin]

I accept that they had created a way to MAKE it EASIER for you to get things just by buying them. But just put it this way...

[civic trellis]

So let's do or best, improve our ideas and hope they end up in #feedback-devs

[viral ruin]

It's unacceptable, for me it's as if the Devs had spat in my face and in the F2P's face

[dusky perch]

not really

its still 2 icons for free

[viral ruin]

Although I really want it to change, I don't have much hope. This would completely change the way this was planned to work and I believe they will not be willing to give in, as they have never done this.

[civic trellis]

Well complaining about it here does nothing.

[dusky perch]

i only complain why we cant pick 2 icons

i want socerer not detective

[viral ruin]

I complain because to me it's ridiculous, the game stopped being something healthy to be something purely made to extract money from the player

[stable nacelle]

I completely agree with you @viral ruin

[viral ruin]

The devs are following the line of F2P mobile games, which are already criticized for a few hours.

[stable nacelle]

Just another thing to earn money

[viral ruin]

Then they say that certain functions can only be unlocked by a god card that can only be purchased for just R$ 100.00 each and that's ok because it's extra 🤗

The more people let this kind of attitude go, the worse it will get. until the game destroys itself because of it, like Dragon City or the Clash Of Clans games.

[real coral]

i completely agree

the three sets of icon every two weeks should be allowed to be chosen by players

and the last one can be like right now if devs want more income from spenders

[wind idol]

Now tell me, why should I buy the more expensive one lmao

[versed creek]

that's why they should have been added to a shop and for peeps to chose which 2 they want

[viral ruin]

but the strategy is precisely to put the coolest Icons at the end haha, do you really think they will let you choose?

Then how are they going to extract money from the players? there would be no way.

[wind idol]

This whole BP shop System was out of greed

They also increased the prices for gems

[viral ruin]

That's what I'm saying but they say I'm being unfair

[wind idol]

I loved this game for not trying to trigger our FOMO
but this is ridiculous

[viral ruin]

Poor Devs, they shouldn't even make millions just from the Skins they sell outside of BP to now want money in BP too 🥹

[marsh wyvern]

Even before the update, cheapest one was the most economic one.

[cosmic ridge]

Wtf, buy 10 of "340" is 3400 gemmes

[viral ruin]

It's like I said, if people don't open their eyes and complain now, it's going to get A LOT worse.

[cosmic ridge]

Life hack

[wind idol]

The more expensive ones even give only 25 tokens.. the cheapest 3 💀

[steep hinge]

💀

[spare harness]

I got too

[viral ruin]

but don't complain, because complaining about the game's greed is being unfair and caring about stupid things

Its unfaaaaair

[wind idol]

When comparing those… those 20 extra gems u‘d get with the right one costs u 1€ 😂

[spare harness]

it was 360 fot 2.99

[viral ruin]

The day I see people on the Discord server actually disagree with the Devs openly and fight for it, the world will end

[wind idol]

And 740 for 7€

[spare harness]

yes

[steep hinge]

YEAH IT WAS 360

[real coral]

make it happen

it is so close

[spare harness]

Yes but why 340 and 700 now ?

[real coral]

EA games seem so lenient on their payment now

[wind idol]

They said in the blog post that they increased gem prices due to inflation and stuff

And I literally have no issues with it IF the rest of the game was not heading in a pay2win (or similar) direction

Hiding free battlepass stuff behind another paywall is hell

[viral ruin]

EA Games purchased WOV. I discovered everything🕵️

[steep hinge]

If youre decreasing gems then at least decrease the card prices

[real coral]

[viral ruin]

the only game that had a change like that was WOV, the excuse doesn't work.

[steep hinge]

Anyways can we talk about how bad the shop is

[viral ruin]

They might put an energy system in Wov, which you'll have to pay to play more often.

[wind idol]

I think a lot of games are increasing prices atm
Fortnite also did it recently … but WOV is much smaller so they need it more

[steep hinge]

Town of Salem 2:

[wind idol]

😭😭

[kindred crypt]

Don't give them ideas 🥹

[wind idol]

This is the reason why this discord is burning for over 12 hours now

[viral ruin]

WEAOV

New game name

[steep hinge]

Weavesville

[viral ruin]

Wov but from Blizzard

[sage pine]

Tell me pls that the majority want to remove the bp shop too😭😭

[real coral]

delet

[wind idol]

Just looked at the gem prices again… if you buy the cheapest one 30 times, you‘d get the same amount of gems as the most expensive 100€ one, but you still save 10€ 💀💀

[real coral]

this idea they will see

[viral ruin]

only the server mods and a very small group of people don't want/don't care

The overwhelming majority hated this idea, open the feedback and you will see.

[real coral]

vouch

[sage pine]

they should remove it then😔 and I will check, ty

[steep hinge]

Shop changes:

25 Gems for 200 bp coins
Keep cosmetics
Keep 1 perk voucher
Add 2 role card loots
Keep 1 200 coins
Add 'change advanced role voucher'

See i made it better

[viral ruin]

If the Devs go back on their decision, I will respect it a lot.

[steep hinge]

Keep bp shop and change challenge to old way

[viral ruin]

The prices of BP are the same

[wind idol]

Throw those annoying loot boxes out of the battle pass to make room for vouchers

[steep hinge]

Bro i need cards

[sage pine]

YES

[dusky perch]

what else you want for free ? dollars

[steep hinge]

Yeah

I need money

[viral ruin]

look, someone who is not against this change there

[wind idol]

I don’t think the game was running poorly by just having it Free2Play with satisfying reward systems

[steep hinge]

If the bp shop is redesigned ill be happy

So many 200 coins

Fills up the whole shop

[viral ruin]

That was never the problem, the problem is when it starts to monetize too much.

the mythical cards were the beginning, as it is almost impossible for you to make one without spending money or sticking your cell phone in your soul and transcending playing 72 hours a day.

[wind idol]

They didn’t even had to cause people were already spending loads and loads of money

but those people who willingly pay for cosmetics are exactly those who are giving hate rn

[marsh coyote]

Can someone send the icons back please, I got lost from all these messages

[viral ruin]

I have more than 500 loyalty tokens and I want to set this system on fire

[real coral]

if your playtime is normally average, it will take you more than a year of playtime to get your first mythical card

that's me, i just so happen to have enough for one

[steep hinge]

Can you give me some frfr

Since you hate it frfr

[marsh coyote]

(I don't think your loyalty tokens do much here?)

[viral ruin]

I had to spend money to get one

[wind idol]

I started paying 2 months ago and already spent 100€ cause I love this game and wanted to give support

I want to see it burn too

I even bought a plushie 😭

[real coral]

I'm a free player, and it is PAINFULLY long to get one, you have to pour EVERYTHING into it

[viral ruin]

I use it as a basis to say that I spent a lot of money on this game.

[marsh coyote]

Unnecessarily

Anyways I was looking for something else here

[steep hinge]

I have 9 loalty token

[real coral]

and it would still take months if you're playing casually

[viral ruin]

that's your opinion

Not mine

[marsh coyote]

Thank you

[steep hinge]

At least i have trapper 🥱🥱🥱🥱

Only good tiing

Frfr

[wind idol]

honestly, I played this game F2P for two years… and painfully collect cards was part of the fun and the rewarding feeling was sensational

but now that it’s not possible to get everything F2P is messing up the whole huge part of low-paying players

[viral ruin]

I play this game since 2018

[wind idol]

I bet fool will be the third icon

[viral ruin]

And this is insane

[real coral]

four of these are gonna be paywall locked i wonder which one will take the jail cell 👀

[marsh coyote]

Just save coins?

[steep hinge]

Which one is your favourite

[marsh coyote]

I don't think it's that hard

To understand

[real coral]

if i tell it will be locked

[viral ruin]

I think is Stormwolf and fool

[steep hinge]

That was what i was gonna day

[real coral]

see, players having the same thought

[steep hinge]

Fool can be paylocked i hate fool lol

[real coral]

the system has truly gotten into our mind

[wind idol]

Fool is a fan favorite role

[stable nacelle]

Do the bp coins dissapear and reset after the bp ends?

[viral ruin]

are you serious?

[real coral]

y e s

[wind idol]

Yes

[viral ruin]

Yes

[marsh coyote]

Totally!

[tranquil comet]

im literally begging that the “unobtainable” icons for f2p besides is the four icons on top

[steep hinge]

@tranquil comet remember that you were going to hunt for priest, trapper, trickster etc

[viral ruin]

worrisome

Just Worrisome

[tranquil comet]

of course

i never said i wasn’t going to

[marsh coyote]

lol

[wind idol]

I wonder when we will hear from the Devs about this

I don’t think this rant will stay unnoticed

[steep hinge]

Are you still going to hunt for them?

[tranquil comet]

of course

I need to gift a calendar too anyway

to get the toxic icon

[steep hinge]

It would be easier to hunt for them back in the day

[steep hinge]

Good ol 2023

[viral ruin]

There's no way to savethe coins 🙂

[real coral]

im getting sorcerer icon, gonna spend time on bp ...

[wind idol]

Better spend your money then

[tranquil comet]

if ur f2p don’t bother 😂 unless u stacked gems

[steep hinge]

Who else has trapper icon

[bitter wadi]

WAIT THEY DONT SAVE UNTIL NEXT 15 DAYS?!?!

[marsh coyote]

Don't buy until next quests?

[viral ruin]

Also there's no way to get coins to ALL roles If you not pay

[wind idol]

They do but the icons are gone by then

[real coral]

fuck, yeah, the bp coins are SO FAR APART in the bp as well

[bitter wadi]

tbh the icons are not that cooking

[viral ruin]

The ícons desapear

[marsh coyote]

After the bp

[tranquil comet]

im gonna wait before purchasing bp coins with gems since devs might change the prices

[viral ruin]

Also in the end of BP the coins desapear

[real coral]

coins save until the end of bp

[viral ruin]

So no.

[steep hinge]

Why the flip are there 3 200x

[marsh coyote]

huh

[wind idol]

I don’t care about the third icon cause I hate playing as ww anyways

But this all got me worried and I absolutely hate everything about tit

[viral ruin]

There's no way

[marsh coyote]

After the 14 days coins disappear?

[real coral]

lol i get it now

[wind idol]

it*

[viral ruin]

After the BP ends

[wind idol]

No

[steep hinge]

Yh

[real coral]

the first "third icon" is EXCLUSIVELY locked behind paywall/excessive grinding

[steep hinge]

Nvm

[marsh coyote]

Then you can save and skip some icons.

[real coral]

💀

[steep hinge]

Which one

[wind idol]

I don’t think grind will help ya out here

[steep hinge]

The bp coins?

[tranquil comet]

but yeah u can change some values to make it accessible to f2p

[viral ruin]

Grind dont help

[real coral]

if you 24/7 for 13 days straight then yes you could reach tier 90 (nobody is fucking doing that)

[wind idol]

also… can we please talk about how unlocking the third icon needs you to literally waste silver coins on gold coins?💀

[viral ruin]

Thats problematic

Bc you Will lose itens for nothing

[tranquil comet]

like every challenge should give 300 coins instead of 200, bp shop reduce price slightly (like make them cost 100, 200 and 300 flat respectively) and also reduce gem costs to buy said bp coins

[marsh coyote]

Depends on people's likes and dislikes

[wind idol]

Then tell me how to get all three icons after the 14 days after u completed the BP?

[crystal basin]

This bp shop suck

[marsh coyote]

I'm getting more icons this way than before tbh

[steep hinge]

Oml i hate perk vouchers

[real coral]

i only said it applies to the first "third icon"

[dusky perch]

you mean who else has socrerer icon

[kindred crypt]

It's unfortunate we can't save this bp's coins for future bps cause I don't really like them tbh

[vale moss]

You can decide what you want to buy I think

[wind idol]

So u grind out the whole BP in 14 days, just to be welcomed by a huge fucking paywall

[steep hinge]

WAIT WHAT THE FLIP

[tranquil comet]

is it confirmed to be sorc, it looks very similar to the other seer icons

[crystal basin]

I should decide what role icon I want

[real coral]

what part of first "third icon" do you not get it

the one in the first two weeks, starting from this bp...

[dusky perch]

its tell you which role that icon for

[tranquil comet]

oh ok

[viral ruin]

I Just hate this shop

[wind idol]

I totally get it, I am just ranting about the system 💀

[versed creek]

I made a feedback post about it #1191293648323743755 message

[real coral]

we have mutual thinking about that

[viral ruin]

Why do this to players

[crystal basin]

Cool

[real coral]

the system is ass, f2p cannot get all the icons

[smoky folio]

[viral ruin]

To be honest, if this system doesn't change I will never spend money on this game again

[versed creek]

which gem package do u use to get them all

[ocean ore]

But why you asking for a retwork? it just have to be removed

[wind idol]

😂💀

[viral ruin]

and I probably won't play again

[smoky folio]

Then dont spend money? X)

[crystal basin]

I won't spend money on this dumb system

[smoky folio]

And dont play again?

[versed creek]

they're my fav icons ngl 😂

[wind idol]

Just use the first gem pack - every other is a scam

[viral ruin]

another one involved with the server coming to defend the system. It's funny how they all defend it.

[wind idol]

😂😂

[versed creek]

Thought so too

[wind idol]

unfaiiiiir

[real coral]

the pattern is too close to be coincidental 💀

[steep hinge]

Bc its a good concept?

[viral ruin]

everyone in this discord treats anything the Devs do as perfection and that's ridiculous

[smoky folio]

Lol where do I support anything? X) i didnt play the game since 2 years

[real coral]

they are also the ones who have access to most game contents too

[viral ruin]

No?

[ocean ore]

(Is part of the staff members, ofc will do it)

[crystal basin]

Here rule by man

[smoky folio]

Why would I play the game if I am sick of the system? XD

[real coral]

i think he meant the rework mentioned in the feedback, not this garbage system

[viral ruin]

Thats the point

[wind idol]

In my opinion it is a good concept
but every icon and item should be purchasable

Maybe give the players the option if they want to buy a voucher or gold but there should be enough coins to at least get everything they want

[ocean ore]

How it is a good concept if nobody liked it and it ruined how bp challenges was before?

[real coral]

#speculations message

[wind idol]

but the old concept was much better tbh, eventho this concept is good in its core

Just take out the greed

[steep hinge]

It should be reworked and challenges should be set bzck to normal... you dont get what i meant

[real coral]

you cannot find anyone other than spenders liking this bp shop

@steep hinge was mentioning the rework that was in #1052307374179885226

[crystal basin]

They are becoming EA

[wind idol]

I don’t think spenders are happy too… cause now they gotta spend their gems on stuff that was free before

[tranquil comet]

they were already EA, its just more obvious to you right now

[real coral]

we are close to WOV's after death

[versed creek]

ofc

[viral ruin]

Or mods

🙂

[real coral]

so true

[ocean ore]

Oh, I already did, okay

[real coral]

mods and above

[versed creek]

It's hard to believe everyone agrees

[smoky folio]

That's why I tell u, instead of complaining without any change stop playing and go somewhere else? You can complain about it as much as you want to, after all it is the devs game and they choose what they do. If u dont agree instead of getting mad and annoyed, spend ur nerves somewhere else instead of riesling getting in trouble here by letting out ur Frustration.
If One playing Player leaves there will be 20 new ones joining in the end so u can not really change it @viral ruin

[crystal basin]

maybe they want more 1 star comment

[ocean ore]

But I still agree with they wanting steal money for all

[dusky perch]

590

[wind idol]

Devs are reliant on our feedback.

[dusky perch]

cheap and works fine

[versed creek]

It's the cheapest package?

[wind idol]

If devs don’t listen to the community… they quickly become devs without one

[viral ruin]

It was with this idea that Dragon City went to the gaming cemetery.

[versed creek]

to get all the icons

[smoky folio]

Btw hey sweetie @dusky perch happy new year

[ocean ore]

Don't take it literally, it's called "majority"

[dusky perch]

i dont waste my gems on offers which wont effect my gameplay when role cards change

[viral ruin]

Sometimes people forget that when the game becomes too mercenary there is a very high chance of dying, ESPECIALLY on mobile ones.

[dusky perch]

no but for many coins u get

[dusky perch]

HYDE !!
Happy new year Long time no see

[versed creek]

Thnx salem

[ocean ore]

But remember that devs game need players so they have to LISTEN them

[viral ruin]

Doing just what you want and not what the players want is a bad idea

[wind idol]

I don’t think 'just play something else. Don’t complain. Don’t criticize us' would save the Devs from making poor decisions 💀

[real coral]

new way to recognize a spender: third bp icon

[versed creek]

my bad thought u were gonna rant about everyone

[dusky perch]

i didnt reply ur story ig?

[steep hinge]

Yeah

[versed creek]

imagine the targeting ig

[real coral]

that already happened on offer skins, LOL

[steep hinge]

TARGETING

OML

[viral ruin]

I love how people in this Discord treat WOV like a Minecraft that is immortal no matter what.

[real coral]

and now it will happen on the third bp icon

[wind idol]

especially higher ranked discord ppl

[viral ruin]

They often forget that mobile games die very easily.

[versed creek]

the role offer?

[steep hinge]

My rank is sorcerer

💀

[wind idol]

but I guess our opinion is just wrong and we should just accept it 💀

[crystal basin]

RIP

[real coral]

duh, it's a wov server, ofc the addicted players will treat it like minecraft

[real coral]

yeah the offers with outfit and epic card

[steep hinge]

Im addicted to wov😭😭😭

[crystal basin]

Maybe you won't later

[viral ruin]

I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I think the game won't suffer consequences for bad choices.

[wind idol]

I‘m glad to see so many ppl complaining tbh

Was worried it would be less

[dusky perch]

who need gold

[steep hinge]

Lurker and Wolf Scribe was only good thing abt the update

[smoky folio]

@viral ruin Well yes but wov is not close to die. I dont mind what you do I just want to provide you with my input on it. I was part of the system back then, well was fun but I joined wwo 2018 and didnt play since 2021 so Uh
Just remember that there are other things than trying to solve an issue u cant solve

[real coral]

Ah yeah, if that's the case

[steep hinge]

You need it

[wind idol]

Congrats. You just spent 240 silver coins on gold coins

[dusky perch]

and im still waiting for my mythical icon

[safe grail]

Gimme shirt, i hate pineapple

[real coral]

You can compare it with roblox, which is basically the fucking same right now @viral ruin

[viral ruin]

Now it's explained why she doesn't care about the system

[ocean ore]

You can be addicted and see the wrong things that they add and be disagreed at the same time u know?

[real coral]

bad choices, absolutely dreadful choices, and they think it's going to be immortal

[steep hinge]

Wait you have mythical shaman AND mythical cursed?

[worn marten]

who voted for this?

[crystal basin]

Spender alert

[dusky perch]

yeh now i feel rich with 400 gold

[wind idol]

😂😂

[dusky perch]

me 😄

[real coral]

that's one way to cure yourself from addiction

[dusky perch]

its by milk isnt ?

[steep hinge]

I dont remember but i think i did

[versed creek]

me

[steady quiver]

Hi

[dusky perch]

i have all ?

[steep hinge]

what

WHAT

[viral ruin]

There are people who are attached to EA, and that doesn't mean it's good.

[dusky perch]

[real coral]

you're talking to the person that appeared in the wov tutorial

lol

it's not unexpected

[wind idol]

our opinion seems to not be worth enough to be heard

[worn marten]

yeah by Milk

[steep hinge]

YOU APPEARED IN WOV TUTORIAL @dusky perch ???

[viral ruin]

It's explained why she doesn't care, people. It's really very easy there.

[crystal basin]

Sigh

[steady quiver]

I'm new here

[kindred crypt]

[real coral]

you won't care if you literally work for the game, sad 😔

[dusky perch]

yes im that super man Salem

[steep hinge]

😮

[viral ruin]

It's very easy not to care when the problem doesn't affect you

[smoky folio]

@ocean ore yes they need players, and yes/no they dont necessarily have to listen to the players. They do because Philipp is a nice person which does WANT people to be happy with the game. But that's the whole point. Not everyone will ever be happy. It's impossible to make each person equally happy with anything that's just a fact and every game has pro and cons in all. Most games dont even care about the players feedback at all

[dusky perch]

you guys should really stop caring about outfits

[wind idol]

Absolutely

[viral ruin]

said the person who has all the mythical icons in the game 🤗

[real coral]

i think they're expressing about the role icons which will be locked behind "the third placement on the bp challenge"

[wind idol]

😭💀

[real coral]

currently

[steep hinge]

You cant even gift the coins

[viral ruin]

the problem is that it made the majority not like it. and now?

[ocean ore]

Welcome in a hot moment. Fast tip: vote with us to remove battle pass shop, it's a shit. And welcome 🖤🫶🏻 again

[smoky folio]

That too, just be happy a bp exists and rather try supporting designers that are not SK?

[dusky perch]

that cuz i dont care about outfits i dont have all shop and all 70 role card offers

[viral ruin]

It's really impossible to please everyone, but it's quite possible to irritate most people.

[real coral]

the point is the role icons, lol

[dusky perch]

support me !

[viral ruin]

.

[real coral]

why are you redirecting it to "outfits" now

[steep hinge]

Finally someone else that doesnt care abt outfits

[ocean ore]

You're the first one who have all probably 💀 so easy to say for you

[smoky folio]

I still have 9k gems xD

[viral ruin]

talking to people connected to the game is like talking to a wall. They have no reason to see our side.

[steep hinge]

Adding role icons changed the wov community

[smoky folio]

@viral ruin whom u mean tho?

[crystal basin]

definitely

[dusky perch]

i just gifted my friends now im poor 1.6k 😦

[real coral]

(insert dude talking to brick wall gif here)

[ocean ore]

Well, right, agree I guess

[crystal basin]

even though role icon doesn't affect the game

[viral ruin]

Everyone who have conections With the devs or the game intself.

[smoky folio]

So staff?

[safe grail]

Hi friend

[steep hinge]

1.6k and you call yourself poor whilst i have 61 gems😭😭😭

[viral ruin]

everyone has the same way of thinking and the same behavior when confronted by someone who didn't like something in the game

[real coral]

i saw helpers who tried to agree, but they have to calm the storm down
but then again, helpers are only exclusively discord sided, not WOV dev sided...

[viral ruin]

not specifically, the artists are not staff and have a connection with the game.

[smoky folio]

And?

[viral ruin]

I didn't see any that weren't trying to give merit to the system.

[dusky perch]

its still the start of the month so yes 😦

[real coral]

the bias shows when a group of familiar people defend the system by shutting down people

[smoky folio]

What do designers have to do with the game except designing the outfits for you?

[dusky perch]

hi friend

[real coral]

I saw berry engaging in a similar conversation, although she listened, she had to shut the convo down since it was going too far

in #wov-chat

[dusky perch]

giving us free codes

[crystal basin]

lol

[steep hinge]

Lolll

[viral ruin]

and that the opinion is equal because there is privilege

[smoky folio]

For which they spent hours and then might get Codes for their work?

[ocean ore]

Wtf this people

[viral ruin]

I have nothing against you as a person, but it's difficult to take your speech into consideration since it's partial.

[steep hinge]

Youre contradicting yourself... theyre picking a side

[smoky folio]

Imagine getting something for spending days on something xD

[opaque mulch]

(says you)

[crystal basin]

We should focus on their bp shop

[viral ruin]

I've never seen any of you disagree with anything in the game

Never

You don't do that, I don't know if it's because you don't want to or because you can't.

[opaque mulch]

#speculations message, this was an hour ago, you don't have to do a big deep search

[smoky folio]

I didnt bring my Personal connection to the game into this simple talk with you, you were the one doing so. I told you at the start i dont care about the game xD

[lusty fractal]

Don't spam 👀

[ocean ore]

Done already, nobody want it and staff members amd rich defending it from their positions 🙂

[viral ruin]

This is not disagreeing with the idea. it's simply saying that you could change x thing. but I've never seen them really against it.

in nothing at all

[steep hinge]

They should just keep bp shop and change role icon challenges back

[smoky folio]

Smh xD

[crystal basin]

Just use the old one

[opaque mulch]

I'll reword that for you, I disagree with you being forced to claim the role icons in a specific order

[real coral]

Actually, I partially agree with @opaque mulch's suggestion, since there will be some icons you don't wish to get, and a "role icon selector" would be very much better than... whatever it is currently

[steep hinge]

All we need, the bp shop is now only purely for the extra icons and now isnt for the main ones if it happened

[ocean ore]

How about the others single items from bp? If I will be able to get all them without spending money like before I'm agree, if not, no

[real coral]

But the issue of some bp items locked behind a forced paywall is still there, and there's no option to get everything without paying

[wind idol]

The issue here is that people who care about the game are arguing with people who don’t care

[steep hinge]

Huh?

[viral ruin]

and how does this help? There would still be ⅓ of the content lost, that's a lot.

[opaque mulch]

Nop, just different povs
I won't say any side doesn't care cause if they didn't would they really be wasting time trying to prove their point

[ocean ore]

Damn, my point is, we don't need it for literally nothing

So REMOVE IT

[real coral]

Also the current issue is that even when you do all six bp missions for the week, it would still NOT be enough for TWO role icons

the remaining part is locked in the tiers

[viral ruin]

The shopping system really doesn't add anything.

[wind idol]

but how do people have an opinion on it when they literally don’t play the game 💀

[real coral]

and you can get two icons when you do 5/6 before

[viral ruin]

it only limits the player

[odd willow]

Which is why there's no channel for feedback... oh right, that's false so your take is just wrong

[crystal basin]

Just remove bp shop

[opaque mulch]

It is 👀 you can do 5 per two weeks and claim 6 rewards -> 2 role icons

[crystal basin]

No need to argue

[wind idol]

It’s objectively worse than the past system

at least for the players

[ocean ore]

I play the fk every days and I completed all the bp that I started with ALL the icons and things

[odd willow]

which is why people disagree not so objective then

[viral ruin]

and how many things thrown in the feedback that go against the Devs' interests actually made it into the game?

[bitter wadi]

what are yall going to buy with the coins?

[steep hinge]

Hmmm, yeah it would be useless unless they added role cards to the bp shop

[steep hinge]

Perk vouchers

[ocean ore]

If they change it to that way I don't mind but isn't how is actually so

[odd willow]

"against devs' interest" is the key point in your sentence lol
If many players leave because of that change (or any change realy), wouldn't it be in their interest to change it back? and so on

[wind idol]

People disagree with everything. No matter how objective things are.

[odd willow]

The sun is a star
Does anyone disagree with that?

[wind idol]

Yes

[smoky folio]

isnt feedback mostly saying: i dont like x maybe change it like y?

[odd willow]

Cool, find them for me cause I'd like to have a talk with them then

[steep hinge]

Yeah but last bp there were 8 icons and this one there is 12 so you could just add the 4 extra ones to the bp shop bc there would be a use with it

[odd willow]

Even flat earthers agree it's a star

[smoky folio]

Which says u dont like it xD which is against the devs interest? XD

[lone spade]

that would be constructive feedback indeed, maybe even with a „i don’t like x for z reason“, would a highlight

[wind idol]

One hour documentary on why it’s not a star

[real coral]

I personally believe this bp is the "experimentation" stage of the "freedom of choice" they're trying to give to players

It sounds good, but the execution is very flawed with the final coins locked behind tiers, I can see they spreaded it out far enough so it would fit the four "two-week" time frame

[ocean ore]

This in particular don't have literally objective except avoid to get all the bp things without spending money

[steep hinge]

One hour documentary of yapping

[crystal basin]

This is the worst experiment ever

[opaque mulch]

Misinformation also plays a big part, there's many people that are giving out their opinion and stuck on it without fully comprehending how the new system works for example
And being misinformed isn't a bad thing on it's own, refusing to get informed would be the main issue

[viral ruin]

Guys, there are a majority of people who don't want this change, it is not positive for the game in any way and will make the game lose a player base for nothing. I don't understand why there are people defending this system.

[steep hinge]

This update didnt even have a role quality of life change or rework

[opaque mulch]

@plain bane don't spam please

[real coral]

And also some players aren't happy, mainly for two reasons, one being that the vouchers are not in the tiers anymore, they are more expensive than the other items in bp shop, and two, some icons are locked behind payment wall

[wind idol]

Yes but yet people are arguing and fighting for a side while they are clearly in the wrong nor in the position to argue

[odd willow]

Ok so according to this, there is no objective way of finding out if something is objective because people will think objectivity is subjective?
Therefore nothing is objective?

[ocean ore]

I'm sure that people are adding their reasons and I'm also ready for do it too

[wind idol]

Man this fucks with my brain

[bitter wadi]

suggestion is an element of feedback
suggestion - i dont like x,change it to y
feedback - i dont like x or i dont like x,change it to y

[odd willow]

Great because that was the point 🙈 Don't jump to conclusions thinking something is objective because it often isn't

[lone spade]

very fair and valid, that just makes discussions and stuff easier to understand where some are coming from

[wind idol]

So it’s not clear how this system is more 'anti-User-friendly' compared to the old one?

[viral ruin]

So I'm in the community since 2018, and I think this system is incredibly disrespectful towards F2P players.

[crystal basin]

Our feedback is useless

[wind idol]

That’s all what I meant

[viral ruin]

.

[wind idol]

.

[steep hinge]

Feedback is explaining whats bad and the suggestion is whst should be changed, or am i wrong

[odd willow]

It's not that it's unclear, it's that it's subjective

[steep hinge]

Possibly

[viral ruin]

no one here feels heard, that chat and nothing is almost the same thing.

[odd willow]

Snippets, a feature many people disliked, were removed thanks to feedback
Why give up?

[smoky folio]

XD

[wind idol]

and people who are arguing against it are people who literally said that they don’t care about the game - which is why this POV should not be worth more than ours

That’s all that pissed me off

[odd willow]

Like seriously there's #1052307374179885226 all open for you

why are you acting pissed off when nothing has happened yet

no staff answered yet, no dev has said "nope, never gonna happen"

[bitter wadi]

yes

feedback is giving your opinions
opinions do include suggestions,but its better to rename feedback to suggestions

[flat blade]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-drama-drama-argument-political-gif-24419538

[crystal basin]

Ya but will dev listen our feedback that is another questions

[viral ruin]

open this chat, since the in-game store came out, several threads were opened one after the other wanting it to be removed or changed. This has never happened in the game.

[steep hinge]

Agreed

[odd willow]

You do realise there is more than one person who argues against it

[wind idol]

honestly.. I expect them to react in some way

No matter what’s your opinion on this.. this is not a state anyone wants this game to be in 😅

[viral ruin]

This is the first time they actually did something that the community hated

[odd willow]

LOL
Yeah sorry to tell you bud but it happens pretty often, people dislike change

[viral ruin]

not in that quantity

[crystal basin]

Feedback here exists in name only

[wind idol]

don’t tell ne this is 'normal'

[odd willow]

I've watched it happen more times than I can count XD

[opaque mulch]

You're wrong

[wind idol]

I have never seen this much backlash in this community

[viral ruin]

look at the number of posts in this short period of time

[steep hinge]

And the number of likes

[viral ruin]

It hasn't even been a day since this system was released and it's already like this.

[wind idol]

I want to see another example where this is normal

[viral ruin]

That's because most people probably don't even realize that they can't buy everything, probably as the days go by there will be a lot more posts.

[torpid sparrow]

Already?

[crystal basin]

Will this game be worse than Transformer 4

[wind idol]

I asked my whole lobby about their opinion this morning

Nobody had a clue what was going on @viral ruin

[crystal basin]

We will see about that

[wind idol]

A payer right there

[opaque mulch]

You're wrong again
I understand you have a really strong opinion here but would be appreciated if you could not misinform others.
#speculations message

[ocean ore]

We can't be sure that they will be listen to us so ofc we have to act like this until it

[steep hinge]

What the hell is Transformer 4

[wind idol]

So it has not been a day since this system is out?

[viral ruin]

How am I giving wrong information?

[wind idol]

I don’t see it either

[smoky folio]

When snippets got added, when ranked was changed, hell every time something in ranked got changed staff spent hours on calming people and trying to explain stuff without anyone listening and everyone hatin it?

[steep hinge]

Nothing is wrong, its been hours

[wind idol]

this rant is about stuff that heats up the casual players

Which is a huge difference

[opaque mulch]

Wrong reply, meant to reply to #speculations message @viral ruin

[steep hinge]

Oh alr

[opaque mulch]

My bad

[ocean ore]

It is a fact that there are more post against this that the usual in my opinion

[tranquil grail]

If I'm a lurker and I'm corrupted, will I become a corrupter?

[viral ruin]

well, it doesn't change the fact that they are receiving extremely negative feedback about this change in BP

[steep hinge]

If the game doesnt change it ill move to Town Of Salem

[crystal basin]

Hope dev are 'smart' enough

[viral ruin]

There are only opinions against and "Oh I don't care". I didn't see anyone being actively in favor of this system.

[steep hinge]

Once again the devs wouldnt care about losing 1 player...

Flip

[ocean ore]

Corruptor team* not corruptor

[tranquil grail]

How it works?

[steep hinge]

Do they count towards win condition

[wind idol]

And I don’t think good Devs should leave any kind of feedback unheard

And that’s why it’s sometimes for the good if feedback is this negative.
I just hope we well hear something from them soon so we all can calm down

Worst that could happen is that this whole drama is ignored

[tranquil grail]

I'm part of his team but I don't kill?

[steep hinge]

I made a video about it, you cant kill

[valid slate]

@junior vapor Type "Happy New Year" in someone dms ig for the hat and in game chat for shirt

[opaque mulch]

Maybe because you're dismissing them with "talking to this person is like talking to a wall" "this person doesn't care" "this person is biased"
Closing your eyes to the opinions does not make them go away

[kindred crypt]

Exactly

[smoky folio]

What games u usally play?

[ocean ore]

Yes

[steep hinge]

Damn thats good

[tranquil grail]

So, I just count it as +1 to whoever's victory condition, is that it?

[wind idol]

lmao we don’t talk about this.
i hope WOV devs are different cause it’s not a huge company with big dollar signs in their eyes

[viral ruin]

I'm wrong? The people who openly said they were against it had a direct connection with the game team, don't you think that's biased?

[kindred crypt]

Yes, to whoever's team attacked you

[tranquil grail]

Got it, thanks 😄

[ocean ore]

Anyway they still have to remove the bp shop 🤗

[viral ruin]

if literally EVERYONE besides people connected to the game is hating it or simply doesn't care, it's kind of strange that this kind of view exists with the coincidence of being someone connected to the game

[odd willow]

The more people are angry, the more they express it
Those who are happy with it are often those who speak the least about it

So like maybe it's not that no one likes it but simply that those who do are content with it and won't give feedback

[viral ruin]

Realistically do you think anyone is really happy with this new system?

[steep hinge]

No

[wind idol]

Look at the people who are complaining tho

It’s a different if it’s people who are normally happy about it, or if it’s some twitter Rambos who rant about anything all the time

[crystal basin]

No

[wind idol]

No

[viral ruin]

because I don't see any reason to be honest, there is no good side.

[odd willow]

I think so, since the amount of icons/bp in F2P went up from 8 to 9

[steep hinge]

Sure you might get different things and extrs cosmetics but the previous onces had coins

Which was more simpler

[ocean ore]

You can't say it actually. You can't know if a people who not talk or publish about it is happy/disappointed with it

[wind idol]

so people who are happy are those who shit money and don’t care about their spending

[viral ruin]

yeah and we lose 3 icons 🙂

[odd willow]

FOMO

[lost shard]

Ok

[steep hinge]

Id realistically get only 3

[wind idol]

FOMO = good game design

[opaque mulch]

Yea, I think you're wrong but it's not the first time I'm pointing that out 🙈

[steep hinge]

I regret buying the bp

[crystal basin]

Same tho

[viral ruin]

I regret playing this game

I need a Xbox

[wind idol]

I don’t actually

[viral ruin]

Or a PC

[wind idol]

but still disagree with the changes

[smoky folio]

Yk I dont want to offend you but if someone is "part of the system" they are biased based on u. Then u dont take them serious because of their bias. We both talked good until I mentioned the slightest trying to provide an input and explaination which did not Match u 100% and then I suddenly was biased.
For u even designers are biased? I still dont get that part?

[plain bane]

Hola

[steep hinge]

True, i need these emotes

[odd willow]

... ever heard of sociology? That's literally an entire field made to study things like that and it's very easy to prove like with polls and elections

[opaque mulch]

You can just stop playing the game you can't go back in time but no one forces you to stick around if you're unpleased
We don't want people to be unhappy

[wind idol]

Devs should do a voting then

[steep hinge]

This arguement will never end

[viral ruin]

look the only thing you said is "Haha just don't play then :D"

[wind idol]

"I like it“
"I dislike it"

[steep hinge]

Yeah do a voting

Then well see

Its fair

[odd willow]

How dare people tell me I can do what I want

[crystal basin]

Just do it here

[viral ruin]

and this is not a solution to the problem or explain why this is acceptable

[crystal basin]

ya

[ocean ore]

You ever heard of common sense? Not everyone let know their opinions, wake up a little.

[wind idol]

I don’t think this is a good moment to vote in here

[steep hinge]

Do a voting in #dev-vote

[smoky folio]

I told you that if it frustrates you stop playing instead of getting angry xD

[steep hinge]

Abt it and lets see

[odd willow]

Bud, pal, I certainly don't claim to know better than all sociologists and neither should you

[viral ruin]

and this is not a solution to the problem or explain why this is acceptable²

[wind idol]

Everyone should be educated about the backgrounds of the changes

How I mentioned earlier. many people are unaware about the effects of these changes

[bitter wadi]

can someone tell me what is being argued about?

[smoky folio]

But why are designers biased because I tell u that u should stop playing? XD

[worn marten]

Haha i wont join a conversation but it should like a story i heard before:
If i give you 100$ and you want to share with your friend how much you want, then i change to give you 10$ and your friend 90$, you feeling you loss 90$ but the fact that not your, you get 10$ and not loss anything, you just not accept it

[wind idol]

BP Shop

[steep hinge]

Bp shop

[bitter wadi]

ok but like why

[opaque mulch]

(it's because you disagree)

[steep hinge]

Getting the icons is unfsir

[wind idol]

It’s not possible to get all the rewards without paying gems

[ocean ore]

If u don't claim it stop saying that you have the reason since you don't have idea about players who not talking, that's simple

[steep hinge]

Actually icons are useless lol

[smoky folio]

Yes but why is every Single of the 30 designers biased because I do? XD

[viral ruin]

But I'm not investing in you to lose 90, it's different from the game where I invested a lot of money.

[wind idol]

every item in this game is useless except the cards

But people care and thats why we argue

[bitter wadi]

and whats thr counterargument?

[odd willow]

I answered previous stuff using basic sociology
Then you said it was wrong
You're the one who claimed you knew better than anyone who worked in sociology, not me

[ocean ore]

Useless in a match but everyone wants them

[real coral]

Tbh I still want @opaque mulch's role icon selector suggestion to actually make it into the game

[smoky folio]

The 30 designers where 19+ dont even have items in game because of the system*

[steep hinge]

Yup

[wind idol]

I… actually haven’t seen any except 'I don’t care because I can afford those gems'

[viral ruin]

Bc you simply avoided the issue and only got to "oh, just don't play" like most people who are linked to the game

[worn marten]

Sure it just remind me 😄

[real coral]

If we're aiming to get at least one third bp icon, we gotta give up the second or even the first in some weeks, and the fact that they're forced in an order really sucks

[bitter wadi]

so from what i understand;

• players are complaining about how unfair the system is
  and what is staffs counterargument?

[ocean ore]

I said you wrong because you wrong, it is a basic thing as you said. Use mathematics stats and reply back then

[smoky folio]

Still doesnt answer my question. Designers have nothing to do with the system

[steep hinge]

Det should be last

[odd willow]

If you want I can use a source and you'll then either have to use a source too or disprove mine
How about that?

[wind idol]

Pls tell me when you got some cause I haven’t heard any good yet

[real coral]

"leave if you hate it lmao 😛 "

[viral ruin]

So why are you defending the system?

[crystal basin]

Players can decide which role icon they want is the best

[wind idol]

"I don’t care cause I don’t play the game"

[smoky folio]

My point is my point. Dots point is Dots point.

[odd willow]

There is no staff reply in #1052307374179885226 yet so just wait there ig?

[real coral]

the sorc is so good, but the fact that the first two weeks "third role icon" is basically locked after paywall

💀

[bitter wadi]

okay but what are they? also im not taking anyones sides so please answer neutrally

[marsh coyote]

Hydeeee

[smoky folio]

Where do I defend any System at all? XD I simply provide a solution for ur issue. I am sorry if I attack you with my Power to draw art xD

[wind idol]

I predict that every third icon will be the best one

[real coral]

[opaque mulch]

Yep, and it's not the same as every staff member's point

[real coral]

hey hey, has you yourself or anyone put the role icon selector suggestion into #1052307374179885226 yet 🥺

[viral ruin]

I didn't see any difference between the points. and always didn't like it so just drop the game.

[ocean ore]

For real, so frustrating 💀

[bitter wadi]

andd may i know what yours is?

[wind idol]

I like the Det icon tho

[real coral]

that fool one definitely third bp icon, fuck

[viral ruin]

and this is frustrating because it shows that negative feedback is really considered as nothing by the game team

[opaque mulch]

I haven't looked yet, I can look into it in a lil bit

[crystal basin]

Fool one is cool

[smoky folio]

To put it simple: designers draw skins that will maybe get into the game and will be available there

[steep hinge]

Fool, Wolf Trickster and Wolf Shaman are gonna be last

[odd willow]

Staff literally has not denied a single suggestion about it yet

You're just making things up now

[real coral]

thanks for your work

[steep hinge]

Ill actually get cannibal if the icon is 1st

[smoky folio]

Hewoo sweetie <3

[bitter wadi]

and whats causing drama?

[real coral]

sad how this has already happened with honor, most of the community wanted it gone forever, and it came back anyway

[viral ruin]

"Your opinion doesn't matter, don't you like it? You can leave."

That's basically it in other words

[crystal basin]

Everything back to normal is fine

[odd willow]

So yeah you're making things up

Can't make a direct quote

[ocean ore]

The drama is because we don't want that cursed bp shop that's all

[steep hinge]

Goals:
Shaman, Cannibal, Priest and Trickster

[smoky folio]

The guy doesnt take my words serious because I have another colour than them and say that designers are biased on the system because I tell them to stop playing the game if they wish and i have the designer role, u guess

[steep hinge]

.

I shouldnt have bought the perk voucher

I shoudlnt

[viral ruin]

That's what they're saying, no one has provided a solution or an answer other than "people do what they want, leave if you don't like it".

[steep hinge]

I shouldnt have.

[odd willow]

I have, I told you to go for #1052307374179885226 lol

[lone spade]

where exactly do you get that stats from? 😅

[steep hinge]

its so expensive

Buy the cheapest ones

[viral ruin]

I've already been

[real coral]

my burning memory, but i think i got it from the overwhelming vote stats in #dev-vote regarding honor 1 🥺

[odd willow]

Then cool, you have a solution who was provided, so your take is wrong

[opaque mulch]

Likes

• freedom of choosing between what you want
• possibility of having extras if you're willing to put money in (or just saving gems for it money isn't necessarily needed)
  Dislikes
• you can't choose which role icons to claim, imo goes agaisnt the freedom in buying what we want

Points I think are important and people keep missing

• You are not getting less free things, the amount of free things you can get is the same + the added freedom I mentioned above. There was no 3rd icon, you can't lose something you did not have before
• Selling extra items for those interested and willing to buy is as greedy as demanding more free one

[real coral]

i remember the option "remove it" winning ahead a lot

[viral ruin]

It didn't solve or explain anything.

[odd willow]

Ok so you want someone to snap their fingers and everyone is happy?

Cause that won't happen

[lone spade]

from what i remember, around 50% of those who voted where for removing. the other half was for keeping it OR keeping it with adjustments. So half was for keeping it either way, which means most (of those who voted) could not be against removing it vice versa

[crystal basin]

Nice conclusion

[odd willow]

Yeah, changing stuff takes time, reading and handling feedback is not instant, so wait for staff to reply smh

[viral ruin]

It was just a matter of going back to how it was in the past, most people were fine with that.

[real coral]

OH the adjustments, thanks for jogging my memory

i remember three options, but i didn't remember the details, only remember the remove it being half/over half

[viral ruin]

It would be preferable not to have an extra if it was to be classified as exclusively paid.

[lone spade]

all good, many just ignored that „keeping it“ and „make some changes“ are both points to keep the honor system. so many thought most of the community was to remove it, which wasn’t actually the case

just wanted to clear that up

[ocean ore]

Point i think you missing:
●before we got the icons and the single items from bp only completing the challenges

[viral ruin]

since almost no one benefits from this and it is a super greedy practice for a game that is mostly all paid.

[odd willow]

How dare devs monetize a F2P game, practice that literally no other mobile game does /s

[steep hinge]

Im gonna stop arguing its no use 😢

[viral ruin]

the only thing that isn't paid for is the game itself, everything else is.

[crystal basin]

The suggestion is accepted, but all the things remains unchanged

[viral ruin]

the game was already monetized well enough before this addition.

[odd willow]

So you mean all of the core gameplay is available for F2P ? That's... a compliment lol

[opaque mulch]

Same as now? I don't understand your point sorry 🙈

[real coral]

the only reason we can "safely" get the two icons this time is because there's a challenge requiring you to reach tier 20-21

[frigid halo]

hello

[real coral]

the 150 tier coins are in tier 17-18

[viral ruin]

as if the game was sustained solely by the Gameplay full of trolls.

The fun of the game is the customization, taking that away from the player is ridiculous.

[ocean ore]

Nah, now no, we have to buy them in that f* shop with those f* moneys

[odd willow]

Do you have any other serious point that you want to constructively discuss or are you just here to rant?
(serious question btw)

[ocean ore]

Lol that's sick

[real coral]

No no actually, we got more free coins from the challenges before, when it was still 5/6 for two icons

😭

[opaque mulch]

The "moneys" which you get from completing the challenges
You can get single outfit items and an icon after completing three challenges, just like you could before

[viral ruin]

I'm here to show outrage, I don't know what you expected of me now

[real coral]

I only cared for free coins tbh but there's an option for a full fit now

[odd willow]

So rant, got it

Will spend the rest of my day doing something else then

[opaque mulch]

get the perk voucher then get the bonus gold perk then get your money's worth /hj

[solid abyss]

No its not I caclucate it + Back then if you miss 1 challnege each time means nothing to player since if you do 5 chlalmege you have gruntee get 2 but right know we dom finish all chalnges we lose pur priviglie to obtain 2nd icon

[real coral]

no no, you've got a point, since we can farm tickets instead of getting clothing pieces

two voucher tickets, three coin purchases, a single clothing piece, and two roles 👍

[viral ruin]

and also the game already has ads, paid Skins (most of them in fact), mythical cards that are practically impossible to obtain for free, role offers, Double XP, Talismans, Custom Games, emojis and did I really need to monetize the BP? It's hard to defend.

[opaque mulch]

Missing one challenge would mean nothing in regards of role icons, but you would miss a reward (which is in the shop)

[solid abyss]

😃?

[ocean ore]

How about the third icon?😊 so easy to get no? Also we still liking more the way was before, so we will still asking for it back

[solid abyss]

Can I get permission to speak?

[viral ruin]

There is no justification for yet another monetization, it is pure greed. BP was the only thing that was 100% free other than entering the game.

[solid abyss]

With swear

[solid abyss]

Agreed 🙃

[opaque mulch]

There was no third icon, you're not losing it if it wasn't there in the first place xD

[opaque mulch]

Some swearing is okay, as long as not directed
Swearing is not gonna help you get your point accross though?

[real coral]

noooooo, the total is 1210 coins 😭

wtf!!!

[solid abyss]

No but its expres my feeling towrds spesific item

[opaque mulch]

no no but think of the possibilities of that gold win bonus 😻

[viral ruin]

Nobody wanted extra paid content on BP that was free, nobody asked for it and most don't want it. There's really no reason for this to exist other than greed, as it doesn't add anything positive to the game.

[real coral]

600G 🤑

[ocean ore]

I prefer it wasn't there to lose it🤡

[real coral]

600g, 1 ticket, two clothing pieces, and two role icons

seems similar to the ones we already gotten before bp34

[solid abyss]

The FUCKING red lootboxes still in bp that no one likes -> I dont get why dev love to put that thing in bp

I give my feed back about this aswell

[viral ruin]

that only brings bad feelings to the F2P player and nothing else.

[opaque mulch]

Okay so is your problem that people that save gems/buy gems are able to get something extra or what is it?
Can no one buy something because you aren't able to? That sounds selfish

[real coral]

the only thing is.. you can't miss any challenges with this purchase plan!!!

[smoky folio]

I know a game where you pay 10 Euros for 3 clothing items, pretty Bad that you get 20 items for 3 euro dang

[opaque mulch]

Not a huge fan of the lootboxes unless there's an on-going event so won't disagree

[smoky folio]

Also a free to play game btw

[ocean ore]

My problem is that the bp was 100% free to get all the things and now you wanting it to stop so you're the selfish no?

[viral ruin]

the majority can't, what's the point of existing in the game if it's not achievable for the majority?

[real coral]

i somehow missed the 15% in ALL boxes for two events in a row 💀

(it was 15% right)

[lone spade]

for christmas 15% yea, for halloween 10%

[real coral]

me when two common clothing pieces and a single rose

[viral ruin]

it exists only to create elitism in the game, there is nothing cool about that.

[opaque mulch]

So if the Battle Pass stayed as is and the devs put together 4 icons that you could buy with gems would you feel better?
It would be the same thing

[opaque mulch]

I almost got all of the halloween ones but didn't even try for xmas

[viral ruin]

Gems can be farmed

So yes

Its Way better

[opaque mulch]

Are you aware that the BPC are bought with gems?

[lone spade]

Just here to flex

I got all from halloween and christmas

yes I did play a lot

[daring gust]

problem with the current currency is that it will reset

[opaque mulch]