speculations

[dawn parcel]

I wouldn't

[steady quiver]

nah cuz im enjoying playing lm tho

[dim trout]

I also wouldn't. Storm is just an IQ test to village team.

[steady quiver]

[visual bone]

why play lm when you can use pointer lm ()

[real coral]

: You are now EXPOSED
: You are DEAD
: i'm inside your wall.
: you should REVEAL yourself NOW!

[fathom cobalt]

heyooooo thats why i'll play jww over split ww lol

[quaint hamlet]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[robust elk]

The most deadly message in existence:
I am br 15 arso

[coarse sedge]

Omg, Junior look so good and its his first icon too

[fathom cobalt]

sk has a weird looks but fits with the them

honestly satisfied with the icon but kinda wanted icons for roles thats doesnt have

like insti has at least 4

[robust elk]

Inti looks like shrek

[fathom cobalt]

exactly

[robust elk]

Bomber has 6

[fathom cobalt]

fr

[robust elk]

And we only have 1 baker

[fathom cobalt]

and we had a gww icon last bp already

[broken spoke]

Icons starts to fit the designs with the bp theme

[fathom cobalt]

yeah

rooting for a trapper icon

[robust elk]

Rotting for a baker/preacher icon

Rotting for a wolf seer family tree icon

[fathom cobalt]

thats such a funny typo

(sorry T_T)

but yeah wolf seer family need icon

[robust elk]

I wrote rot twice 🌚🌝

Tomato potato same thing

[fathom cobalt]

yeah

[robust elk]

Just different name

Hey wanna read my bio?

[fathom cobalt]

everyone listen preacher is growing mold until we have mayor and wolf seer families icon

[fathom cobalt]

sure

[robust elk]

Here

[fathom cobalt]

lots of emotes yah

cute seals

[robust elk]

It explains seals on their way to home

[fathom cobalt]

cuuuuuuuuuuuutie

[robust elk]

Also I want a culinary season

[fathom cobalt]

yeah that would be cool

[robust elk]

A stub with pasta on head

[fathom cobalt]

aint u the one rooting for that one vio icon

[robust elk]

Jelly as sundae

[fathom cobalt]

OH YEAH

want this so much now

[robust elk]

Asian vio stir frying rice with wok? Yes it is me

[fathom cobalt]

yeah that

[robust elk]

A conf with spilled soup on head

It felt so iconic when I thought of it

[thick lotus]

They did sk dirty lmao 😭

[fathom cobalt]

Agreed

[steady quiver]

Hello speculations.

Any spoilers I should know about

[robust elk]

Lurker and spy will be tested together next

And kimberly says locksmith and toxic will be tested together

[frigid ermine]

Cool

[steady quiver]

yay

[fathom cobalt]

Locksmith return wheeeeen

Spy is such a bad role I'm sorry

I genuinely think that we've reached a point where we don't need new roles anymore

[robust elk]

New roles add diffrencr to game but spy is so unoriginal

[dusky perch]

[signal crystal]

no

[signal crystal]

but funnier than det and morti

[robust elk]

Morti is funniest

I am morti I am gonna wreck corr is funnier than anything

[signal crystal]

the fun in morti: found always jww first hope that u will be ressed after its death or just ruining the game to random killer because yes why not

[frigid ermine]

Literally

[pallid rune]

+

[fleet hawk]

I saw many morti players keep checking when they know the weakest ww already which waste checks

Then when they need to find other ww they dont have any corpses to check

[surreal swift]

no mort finds random wolves, but the percent of checking jr is higher than others

[robust elk]

Spy was 2 ss plus gambler

You had ss + gambler in hand

[next cedar]

Nah its just based on strength

Lower the ww’s strength higher priority for it to be checked

Jww is lowest beside reg ww

[surreal swift]

you mean same with bh?

[next cedar]

Yeah

[surreal swift]

when i was mort, i checked the corpe ww killed and figured out shadow and seer while jr still alives

theres no jailer in game and jr didnt flee in day and night 1

[next cedar]

How long ago was that?

[surreal swift]

1 year ago

so hm, did dev change it?

[next cedar]

Idk maybe

[deft vault]

What bully rebalance

[formal tangle]

yea they revamped morti and sheriff info

[surreal swift]

okay

[dusky perch]

[tame dove]

what's the new role icons 🤔

[tame dove]

Ft and siren don't make sense, siren is kinda like illu ngl but no hiding roles ig, and ft tbh doesn't rlly fit any role advanced lol

[dusky perch]

how comes siren like illu ?

[tame dove]

idk rlly lol

[robust elk]

Siren fits sk with that kill rate 💀

[tame dove]

Bruh

[dusky perch]

its mix of arson and bomber
can kill 3 or 2

[tame dove]

Tbh I thought siren was a villager at first 😭

[robust elk]

Siren is less flexible and has same kill rate with sk soo I dont see a reason why it is arso advanced

[boreal kraken]

Infinite rocks but only 2 kills
Any rocks thrown after 2 kills will only block ability
Also one rock per day limit

[robust elk]

I think at long lasting games will be op

[tame dove]

poor will never be added lol

[tame dove]

BRO THATS GOOD

[boreal kraken]

Yeah, kinda like jailer but with role block only and not protecting

[tame dove]

NOW I Want bullie

[robust elk]

Kimberly says it will be tested along side toxic

[tame dove]

I can't see

[robust elk]

Kimberly says spy and lurker will be tested together

[brisk heath]

I think

Bully Buff is overrated

[boreal kraken]

Honestly, next bp rocks
Just few more hours

[robust elk]

Then she says toxic + locksmith

[tame dove]

I got gunner(adv)😭

[brisk heath]

Bc an average game Lasts 5 days

[robust elk]

Long lasting games bully will be gud but fast games not that gud

[brisk heath]

And +1 Rock won t be That affectful

[boreal kraken]

Not +1 rock
Infinite rocks bro

[robust elk]

2 kills and infinite roleblock

[brisk heath]

And I believe that it will cause more bully Game throws

[dusky perch]

its should come tomorrow

[robust elk]

That is not bully problem

[brisk heath]

if a game lasts 5 day

it will be 5 rocks

[boreal kraken]

That's potentially evry role tbh

[brisk heath]

A lot of bully Will random concuss

[robust elk]

Long lasting games will be the time to bully shine

[brisk heath]

D1

[robust elk]

I am just happy that these dumbo mumbo jumbos wont yoink my kill by killing that player I concussed

[brisk heath]

Yeah it will Prevent Peebble Waste

“I concussed 1 kill 9”

kills 1

[boreal kraken]

It will be helpful in endgame scenerios

For one thing bully can roleblock even if he dies

That's much needed

Btw @brisk heath you are forgetting smth important

Bully can also block votes

[brisk heath]

My gunner also Blocks Votes 😎

[boreal kraken]

This means in endgame scenerios like 1 ww 2 vill 1 arso there would be less chance of tie

[boreal kraken]

That true ngl 🤣

[brisk heath]

And when I use my power on someone they get muted whole game 😎😜

[boreal kraken]

Bruh dat true

[brisk heath]

And it even reveals roles 💅🏻

[boreal kraken]

💀

[boreal kraken]

Stop lmao

It's clear, gunn >>> bully

[brisk heath]

And

When you shoot seer

[boreal kraken]

There's more

[brisk heath]

Everyone Starts to Tag you

Which means you are loved and Cared 🥰

[boreal kraken]

Not to mention guardians pay u Special attention

[brisk heath]

Ye they give you a 3 Day break For being so good

[calm nimbus]

Ngl I'm a bit disappointed by the update (not many role changes and both roles released are pretty bad) however I'm very excited for Steam release and achievements

[dusky perch]

dont be

[fresh sail]

I wonder what does the next bp background things look like

This season we got the white pole and roses

Pillar

[signal crystal]

Siren is okay but ft sucks

[quaint hamlet]

p u r p l e

[next cedar]

Imagine thinking our opinions matters to the devs

Btw the people who yell the loudest that they hate something are not always the majority

[steady quiver]

sigh

700 people has voted for removed honor

surprise ! honor ss2

[next cedar]

My hope is that their change is to try stopping h4h trades

[steady quiver]

impossible

bst has been a thing since the beginning of time, what makes you think they're gonna stop h4h?

[robust elk]

They did us dirty 😭

[dim trout]

I really want to see the hoodie dude

[next cedar]

Simply unlike boost they can make it trackable, saying how often these people have honored eachother can raise a flag for the guardians, also it can easily be reset

[dim trout]

I wonder what made them to make a s2 of honor season

[steady quiver]

Is bully too op now

[dim trout]

Nah.

I will still use

[steady quiver]

Nothing beats vigi but I think it's better than gunner now

Ofc I'm still using my gold gun but it's probably time to get wwb after this change cuz bully is a hard shadow counter

[dim trout]

?

[steady quiver]

yeah

[dim trout]

It concuss at night too

[steady quiver]

I'm not afraid of paci as shadow most of the time since it's not that common but vigi is in every setup

[dim trout]

As , your most feared enemy will be .

[steady quiver]

Bully can also random rock wwb and prevent it from using frenzy 💀

I think it's too op now

[robust elk]

As berserk your most feared enemy will be

[tranquil comet]

any feedback on my changes (pretty sure they can prioritise change ideas from unreleased roles)

#1146858432293511268
#1146859046872301710
#1146871414088028270
#1146859261524201542

[steady quiver]

4 rocks was fine as it is why unlimited

[dim trout]

Without protectors the can eat himself with that info

[steady quiver]

Actually it's , seer app doesnt always get good info

[robust elk]

Lurker one didnt felt cupid advamced

3 seer apps will do the work

[tranquil comet]

sheriff and seer app can still interchange as semi protectors, theres a setup in ranked that does just that

[robust elk]

Also the most feared thing is: I am rrv seer app I became morti 🌚🌝

[next cedar]

Morti checks morti’s body

[jolly pilot]

Differentiates it a bit from Gunner/Vigi, and is still good considering it's limited in how many you can kill

[robust elk]

I wanted toxic and lurker as gr base

[robust elk]

2 kills and infinite concuss

[jolly pilot]

Indeed

[robust elk]

Just a bit slower

[jolly pilot]

Good buff IMO

[robust elk]

Bully was already balanced imo

[jolly pilot]

I liked Bully before as well, but I like this more

[steady quiver]

But it can prevent votes, so it basically becomes a gg after it used all kills

[robust elk]

We needed the ability of showing who was concussed

[robust elk]

Gg + nm

[jolly pilot]

Unless it loses the ability to throw rocks after the 2nd kill

[steady quiver]

Bully should get a nerf, it won't self-reveal no many how many times it rocks

[robust elk]

We confirmed it doesnt

Just claim d1

Whole bully base kit is claiming

[steady quiver]

But docs always protect seers no matter what

Even in fixed nww game

[robust elk]

That is nob doc

Pro doc protect rrv 😎

[steady quiver]

most docs are nubs

[jolly pilot]

How was it confirmed?

[robust elk]

Questions

[jolly pilot]

Gotcha

[dim trout]

Pro docs protect forkmans

[robust elk]

Even if it doesnt I will drop the status updates

I want a setup change

This setups so shty

[steady quiver]

which one?

[robust elk]

Ft one

And lm one too

Only rsv one gud atm tbh

[jolly pilot]

I like FT

[robust elk]

I dont

Every ft give me card when I am rrv

[jolly pilot]

Happens

[robust elk]

And I am always preacher or gl

When I claim Esspecially

Preacher and gl is all about fake claims

[jolly pilot]

That doesn't feel like a reason to hate the role tbh, moreso the people playing it

[robust elk]

And I get a card 🤡

And I think the role is boring + helps evil more

[jolly pilot]

I actually like the fact it makes wolves need to try to act deceptive lmao

[steady quiver]

I also hate getting cards as rrv bc I never claim my real role most of the time (either to bait or to avoid being killed early)

[robust elk]

I WANT A BELL RINGER

[robust elk]

Ww with fast hand reveal their card and make better fake claims

[dawn parcel]

Trade offer: I receive Ft and you get Br

[robust elk]

Ok

[steady quiver]

I got br first time upgrading lm but didn't really like it, whatever evil I managed to find the seer also found them next day

[jolly pilot]

ik, I like it

Teach people to act deceptive in a game about deception

That's good IMO

[robust elk]

Kimberly can I have haribo unicorn offer

[steady quiver]

orrr I end up finding priest who random waters the following day too

[robust elk]

You can have the same effect with lm too

I played br from my friend’s account and it was fun

[steady quiver]

avg is way more fun imo

[robust elk]

I feel avenger isnt that fun

[steady quiver]

I love cc'ing obvious fake doc claims when the real doc is too afraid to cc

[robust elk]

Well I always claim butcher d1 so that is a you problem if you dont cc if you are real

[steady quiver]

Too many docs are too afraid to cc

I play butcher too

[robust elk]

That is their problem

[steady quiver]

But I don't claim d1, usually d3

[calm nimbus]

Ft is a way better role than siren, and ft is still bad

[robust elk]

I will just get my bell ringer and my arsonist info

[calm nimbus]

In terms of gameplay I mean

[robust elk]

Siren will be worst in her role tree

[calm nimbus]

Yea

[signal crystal]

Siren is weak but funny. Ft is weak and boring...

[steady quiver]

Idk why alch is arso advanced

[robust elk]

1.0 kill rate, no protection bypass; gets hard countered by br, preacher,sherrif

[steady quiver]

alch should be its own base role

[robust elk]

Only funny thing is getting shot d1

[calm nimbus]

Siren is a shit role in terms of design and strenght

Not even that unique

[robust elk]

Yeah

[steady quiver]

Agreed

[calm nimbus]

Siren might be close to the worst role ever added

[robust elk]

Sherrif hard counters it so easily

Worse than sk

[calm nimbus]

Prob better than zombie though

[signal crystal]

yes they should rework her or at least do that she wins if every one die

[robust elk]

I forgot that piece of shit that came from hell

[calm nimbus]

Yes

Remove killing after death since it doesnt make sense for an rk

[robust elk]

It is easiest role and still some people suck at it

[calm nimbus]

Make her ignore protection

[steady quiver]

Zb is one of those roles you love when you get it, but everyone else hates it when they see you in game

[robust elk]

I had it and it became a sacrifice to make insti

[steady quiver]

Sl would like to have a word:

[calm nimbus]

Playing in zb game as villager is just hoping you wont die early

[calm nimbus]

Sl is different

Because yes

[robust elk]

Sl would be op if there was no thing like that

[deft vault]

Love space theme

[robust elk]

Sl has teammates

[tranquil comet]

its gonna get added to chain reaction 😂

[robust elk]

Siren has no teammates that can kill or win for siren

[steady quiver]

If sl flees before they're lynched, the sect members turn into vill and can win with vill

[robust elk]

No

Sect members are done

They dont go back as I know

[steady quiver]

They do

[tranquil comet]

they dont

[steady quiver]

In red vs blue it happened

[tranquil comet]

if this is possible then whats stopping a sect member from revealing their own leader

[robust elk]

Just spam flee to sl if he is gonna die

[calm nimbus]

It makes sense here

[steady quiver]

I was converted day 1 by red sl, red sl was found not village by gambler, and they fled and I remained my old role and won as vill at the end

[robust elk]

Siren should be a special role only for chain reaction

[tranquil comet]

thats cuz they fled

[steady quiver]

If the sl doesn't flee, obviously they'll die and lose with them

[tranquil comet]

ok i misunderstood then thats my bad

[steady quiver]

it's ok

was surprising to me at first too

[tranquil comet]

it wouldnt be fair to get converted by SL then u lose cuz they left the game lol

[steady quiver]

yeah

[steady quiver]

Instigator is literally a cockroach who fell into a green paint bucket

Fell a little too hard that he started seeing stars

[robust elk]

2 hours and 10 mins left till new bp

[calm nimbus]

Update won't release immediately, probably 1/2 days later as usual

[robust elk]

Card limit end too

That makes me happier

[marsh wyvern]

Still need 1.5 hours to that

[rough jasper]

I have arso card

But I dont wanna waste àura card

[vestal jackal]

I cant see the new battle pass

[brisk heath]

Ye where are the roles 👁👄👁

Where balance change

[visual bone]

Takes a day or two for it

Hold your horses

[calm nimbus]

Br avg they're very fun roles

[steady quiver]

No, ass role

Wolvesville always scam you, nothing happen during the season. All they did is dropping a rework ft

And now all we have for this season is just 1 new role and 3 rework.

Worst then i expected

Buff or rework, i think you get it

[dawn parcel]

We're also getting avatar sharing, Honor season 2 and wov on steam someday

So there's plenty enough stuff

[latent locust]

ft is good as a provable rrv which doesn’t require death imo

thats my take on the ft nerf

[calm nimbus]

Avatar sharing and honor season arent big things

The only thing I'm actually excited for is the steam release

[steady quiver]

They release 2 new things useless each two mounth and vent off

[dawn parcel]

It is at least something so be grateful

[latent locust]

steam achievements 🤩

[calm nimbus]

I'm honestly just mad they didnt listen to the community for new roles and changes

Everyone is saying astro is op, no astro nerf, everyone is saying ft is bad, they still add ft, everyone says that toxic should be added, no instead they add the evil role everyone though was garbage

[dawn parcel]

I mean sure I do agree this isnt the best update from what we got

But it's still better then nothing

[robust elk]

I dont wanna risk for ft 😭

[calm nimbus]

Siren needs a whole rework because it doesnt make sense for an rk to kill after her death

[dawn parcel]

You have a full day still

[calm nimbus]

Get br/avg while you can or you will have a 33% chance to get ft

[robust elk]

I have 1 card 💀

[steady quiver]

No, you are just milking devs. Maybe you don't care about the game at the moment Kem release ur favorite skins. Players can't settle for shoddy work that doesn't do the minimum

[calm nimbus]

Still, not a very logical mechanic to have as an rk

Not mentionning she cant entrance protected player as an ARSONIST advanced

[dawn parcel]

Have you ever considered how to be a game dev in the first place

[robust elk]

Has less kill rate than it’s base, no prot bypass gets milked by death triggered roles

[calm nimbus]

Tie is better than winning esp in ranked

If I tie in a dangerous situation I'm happy

[latent locust]

i agree with this petition give ties more xp than a loss #buffties

[robust elk]

I would want to win if I could not tie

[calm nimbus]

So tie > loss

[brisk heath]

it would be better if tie Counted as Nothing

Neither win or lose

And 45 xp

[calm nimbus]

-5 xp noooooo!!!

[dawn parcel]

💀

[calm nimbus]

Anyways I hope new good roles get tested soon

Or that we get toxic lurker next season

[dawn parcel]

Lurker and Spy

[latent locust]

i think were getting spy and lurker

[calm nimbus]

Spy is op asf

[latent locust]

for the next sb test

[robust elk]

Lurker with spy will be tested (kimberly our dealer said that)

[brisk heath]

I really wonder what they did to balance siren

[calm nimbus]

Let's be honest probably nothing

[brisk heath]

Kimberly (Fbi Agent) said that

[steady quiver]

Not my job, devs always do the better for the players and take care about them and they have to work hard. Having the role "devs" doesn't mean anything if you just botch the work. For you at the moment they have the role "developper" on discord they work very hard

[calm nimbus]

They didnt mention it in #dev-vote if they changed siren

[dawn parcel]

They didnt yeah

[calm nimbus]

It would be weird not to mention a change imo

[dawn parcel]

So we have to see tomorrow

[robust elk]

But I will only say they could’ve brought toxic and lurker loved roles not these burn in hell roles

[brisk heath]

is there a chance that there will be. Other balance changes?

[calm nimbus]

Probably not they also wouldve mentionned it

[latent locust]

nope its just bully and storm

[robust elk]

Ardnout if you are not happy with current devs become one

[brisk heath]

:c

[dawn parcel]

Tbf these balance changes looked odd to me

Usually there are 4-5 each season

[calm nimbus]

It's impossible they don't know that at least 80% of the player base wants to nerf astro, just look at all the feedback suggestions about astro. I'm so mad that they refuse to nerf this op role

[brisk heath]

Bully Buff is so Overrated

[robust elk]

A buff to perfectly balanced role and a buff that seems not like much

[steady quiver]

Would be a pleasure.

[robust elk]

Go tell lisa she is main dev I think

[calm nimbus]

Bully will be op imo

Wait nvm

[brisk heath]

But I didn t like the stowm wolf Buff

[robust elk]

Bully was already balanced but this will make bully be played more

[steady quiver]

No, it's always each two mounth, to give the impression they do anything

[calm nimbus]

I forgor you have to survive for 5+ days

[robust elk]

Also this would counter dumbo mumbo jumbo villagers

[brisk heath]

The bully Buff promotes random concussing

[robust elk]

Ardnout go dm lisa that you wanna be a dev and go ok?

[dawn parcel]

That already was a thing

[brisk heath]

And the Word “random” is so Precious for ranked 💀

[calm nimbus]

I think ft and siren will be complained so much about that theyre gonna have to do something about them

[brisk heath]

it was but it will be more common

I didn t like that they united all the buttons at Storm wolf

[robust elk]

Meh I love the buff since some players kill the person I concussed and I just go

[brisk heath]

it is a really unnecessary Rework

Bc Most players shuffle/Fog d1 and Use Vote hiding d3 d4

[steady quiver]

Maybe before but now #game-change-log is more like "oh freak, i forgorrr to fix that's bug"

[robust elk]

I can also concuss player that I just wanna say shudadafakup

Ardnout this is a future changes/leaks channel not cry about devs doing nothing channel

[steady quiver]

Who said it is a leak channel?

[robust elk]

Whole channel is about unconfirmed guesses future informations

Speculations means guesses and leaks are a guess if you think enough

[steady quiver]

Yes in #game-updates

#game-updates message new battle pass released and 3 days later tali premiun. And 2 mounth later they make another announcement, releasing a rework. That's all

Yes, speculations. Not leak

[robust elk]

Not confirmed, potential new roles and leaks are not confirmed after all since devs can do last minute changes

Like kimberly leaked that toxic ft and siren was gonna release but toxic didnt make it

Also what is your point that lets you complain about devs here

[latent locust]

tbh the 3 cards kinda threw everyone off

[steady quiver]

We call it speculations when you talk about potential new roles which one can be happen or not.

[calm nimbus]

Maybe they are doing September fools and toxic will actually release

[robust elk]

Ardnout there is no point in your part

[calm nimbus]

It's just unbelievable that they chose to add the two roles that everyone gave negative feedback on instead of the roles that got positive feedback

[robust elk]

They are still unconfirmed information

Leaks changed like kimberly said toxic is gonna release but it didnt

[steady quiver]

Yes, you helped a lot devs. Thanks to the one who wanted to prove they have acces to things, devs decided to close lobby devs, the lobby where you can test roles. And also hidden some script, which one it's difficult to found them.

[robust elk]

Ardnout and they added test roles to sb?

So we have them announced directly from devs

Ardnout all of our leaks informations are based on speculations

Like I said lurker gonna release as gr base since devs were trying to change gr and it didnt happen

[steady quiver]

In lobby devs you could test roles before they add it in sandbox. I remember they made Bell ringer 2022 Marsh and added it december

[calm nimbus]

Devs are trying to change gr?

[robust elk]

Ye

[calm nimbus]

How

[robust elk]

Now we have sandbox global tests?

[robust elk]

Duden said we will change gr list since it can become a second gunner without using any skill or damaging village like a cursed advanced should

[latent locust]

prob gonna be a lurker gr role tree

[robust elk]

Yeah I think that too

[calm nimbus]

Nice

[robust elk]

Since they can become any team and gr is just buffed lurker like any other type role tree

[calm nimbus]

I hate gr it's too rng

[robust elk]

And I think they will change team and aura of gr to none and unk

Gr is boring

Wwf is fun

You fake info pure chaos

And I think they will change gr so he can fake infos too

Jelly

With jelly you can fake infos and youink bullets

[edgy obsidian]

Alo

[robust elk]

With jelly you can jelly yo ass giving fake infos and yoinking gunner bullets

[steady quiver]

Not sure what do you mean, devs complaint about some roles, consider them as unbalanced but make it unbalanced as well.

All i know Spy and anarchist will never come unless you give some feedback, and they have to read it. If the feedback is not "add buttom for founding our friends" it will be hard. Because it will again require skills and time. Adding buttom is nothing

[calm nimbus]

You have to guess that rl will visit you the night before, or you do it the same night she visits you?

[robust elk]

There is feedbacks that suggest balance changes and there is role ideas where devs and players can discuss role ideas

[calm nimbus]

Then its useless

[steady quiver]

the last time they took feedback from a player that took effect in the game?

[robust elk]

Half the time

[calm nimbus]

I dont think it would work cause rl would die during the night

But jelly activates at day

[robust elk]

Every bugs are found by players half of the balancing ideas are offered from players and there are a lot of fan made roles ig

Like I saw bell ringer’s creator

And it was a normal player not a dev

[steady quiver]

Bell ringer isn't made by Robin?

[robust elk]

And I have 3 submitted ideas and 1 rework idea that got mass liked

[robust elk]

I have seen it in game

[calm nimbus]

Feedback from the feedback usually isn't added to the game even if it's massively upvoted in feedback devs

[robust elk]

Well there are added ones

And they add role ideas a lot they try to listen to us

[steady quiver]

Robin is mod yes

[calm nimbus]

Like 1/500

[brisk heath]

“Jelly wolf saved a life”
👁👄👁

[robust elk]

It is still a possibility

Ardnout go make a role that releases to the game and argue there pls

[calm nimbus]

Yes but I feel like balances changes which are the most important arent really taken into account

[brisk heath]

Baker is still 💀

[calm nimbus]

Like qol changes are fine but not really important

[robust elk]

People dont suggest nerfs to some roles that need to be changed but offer changes to balanced roles 🌚🌝

[brisk heath]

Baker needs a total rework

Baker Should work like Forger

[robust elk]

Like the players that want preacher and br buffs

[calm nimbus]

Theres a lot of astro nerf ideas out there

And others like nwm/butcher

[brisk heath]

bread disappearing magically when Baker dies mid day

[robust elk]

The nwm nerf ideas suck half the time

[steady quiver]

I already dm Lisa for being dev even i know they will never take me, but it cost nothing to try. What is certain is that i could not settle for the minimum, devs do nothing and everyone is happy at the moment kem release skins.

[brisk heath]

The nwm Passive ability Shpuld work like Berserk

You press it at day time

And see protections for THAT night

1/2 limit

it will still be good

But less op

[calm nimbus]

Nope

Use it day 1, confirm every protector and win

[robust elk]

We all said ow hell naw when we saw roles we are not happy with the roles and !IF! You didnt get accepted that sounds like a you problem called as skill issue

[brisk heath]

Yeah same thing

But more skill bc you press a button 😎

[robust elk]

Press button 😎

[calm nimbus]

Astro has entered the chat

[steady quiver]

I never said I got an answer, i mean not yet

[robust elk]

Astro no skill

[brisk heath]

your Typical wolf berserk Using Frenzy At the start of the 0.000000001 second of the day

[robust elk]

Witch press more button

[robust elk]

Ardnout then what should we do be constructive not destructive

Suggest something not make a complain if you sre not happy

What shall we players that isnt listened but was granted a role ideas and feedbacks channel what shall we do that devs will listen

[brisk heath]

Will There be any Role card Compability Changes?

No

Whatever you write

[robust elk]

If you literally came to me and literally cursed my whole family tree I would block you personally

[steady quiver]

No idea what are you talking about.

[robust elk]

Ardnout if you was destructive than being constructive I would answer you too.

[brisk heath]

Were* 🤓🤓☝🏼☝🏼

[robust elk]

Good days my friends except ardnout I will suck your soul tonight. 😜😘😝🤭😍

[steady quiver]

but i have to understand what you're saying, otherwise i can't answer it

[woven surge]

@calm nimbus @brisk heath @steady quiver Reminder that this channel is for discussing speculations, not for complaining about someone you don't like

[signal crystal]

when the update?

i want to try bully

[steady quiver]

i guess tmr ?

[grizzled oxide]

Its always coming late

[unreal spindle]

I need new battle pass

But I think maybe it'll update at night because time zone difference

[thick lotus]

It always comes 1-2 day(s) after the other battlepass ends

[tropic blade]

wolvesville is available on steam

''revive a non-vill as med or ritu'' 💀

[steady quiver]

how is that called achivement 😭

[half citrus]

just pray sect/insti to convert you

recruited med can revive insti
recruited ritu can revive both their recruit partner and insti
sected ritu can revive sl

[dusk hemlock]

ritu can also revive wwf

[tranquil comet]

they patched that I think

[steady quiver]

yes they already fixed it

i guess ????

[dusk hemlock]

it is a bug?

tbh it can be a fine game mechanism

[tranquil comet]

yeah wish they kept it

[visual bone]

wwf has the most inconsistent gimmick ever

[charred drift]

it should since technically its a villager siding ww team

[half citrus]

fr
it should keep

[torpid sparrow]

Is steam ver out?

[pallid rune]

and can too

[fresh sail]

Hey I have a question

Or like asking sumthing that INCLUDE the bp item

How is this person have the bp item so early, they claim that their friends (creator of the avatar) gifted them. When i ask for their name they didn't respond and avoid talking to me for the whole games

Could It potential be the admin?

[mystic isle]

what are the new role icons this BP?

[fresh sail]

I think we will know the first 2 tomorrow

[tawny cosmos]

Icons ^

[fresh sail]

Cute

[tawny cosmos]

If I'm not mistaken, the creator of the skin gets a special code if his skin appears in the game to be able to claim it. This person is just a friend of the designer or just a designer and got such a code.

[fresh sail]

Now I regret sacrifice my astro role for golden blind ww

[fresh sail]

Hmm how came the person say nothing and avoid talking to me

[robust elk]

Dont

[fresh sail]

Already did it

[robust elk]

Dont regret I meant

[fresh sail]

ah

[robust elk]

I think astro is a bit overrated and boring (Dont eat me astro mains)

[fresh sail]

Astro better version of paci and fc

[robust elk]

Forger funnier

[fresh sail]

Prevent kitten convert and wwb

[robust elk]

Kitten surpasses it

[fresh sail]

Oh

[robust elk]

Kww is a hard astro counter

[fresh sail]

dang I did not know that

[robust elk]

I lost all hope in astro after that

And every good berserk dodges it

[fresh sail]

Forget basically baker but more useful

Forget*

forger

[robust elk]

Forger has the best killing ability + one of the best protections

[fresh sail]

Give em some shield and afk for whole game

[robust elk]

A anytime used killing + constant protection

[fresh sail]

but here's the problem

[robust elk]

At least you use strategy on who to gave shield

[fresh sail]

ppl with sword might ended up kills random

[robust elk]

That is not baldy’s problem

[fresh sail]

Tho, I like to buff gunner with shield and sword

[robust elk]

I call it steel force or 3rd bullet

[fresh sail]

Fr

[robust elk]

Forger has so much love and power

[fresh sail]

Having 2 bullet is cool, but having 3 bullet and 1 free ticket out of death

[robust elk]

Astro has 0 love and mediocre power

Ppl say: DeLaYiNg Ww OnE dAy Is Op

[fresh sail]

I personally think astro icon, and ideas of kills someone with a star

[robust elk]

Then gl >>> all I delayed solo + ww 3 days

[fresh sail]

Making a dead line: wanna see some star to tonight

[robust elk]

Every astro randoms and kills med that is gonna rev gunner and give 3 kills

[fresh sail]

lmao

oh about the person earlier

Their status look quirky

[robust elk]

And I think astro is just boring

[fresh sail]

They played -3 games 🗿

[robust elk]

I played -4

[fresh sail]

real

[tawny cosmos]

Wolvesville Steam but when click wov logo you can see web ee 🙈

[fresh sail]

Wait you can now play wov on steam?

[tawny cosmos]

yea

[fresh sail]

Ang wov PC version is real now

[tawny cosmos]

But we had web version (pc) 👀

[fresh sail]

I think having steam version wov can help you stream better on pc and not accidentally let someone saw your Google website bar

[tawny cosmos]

yeah, it's true

[thick lotus]

HELP THE BATTLEPASS EMOTES ARE SO CUTE

[wary kestrel]

im ban help please

[edgy snow]

H4H ANYONE

🤡

[dusky perch]

still free

[tawny cosmos]

👀👀

[dusky perch]

use my outfit
R2TBTK

pro made !

no need thx

[lusty gull]

what is that?

[tawny cosmos]

you can share outfits via code

[dusky perch]

code from pro made outfit

98% wins rate

[tawny cosmos]

I used

Cute skin

[dusky perch]

thx

[pearl dew]

Where to use

[dusky perch]

your inventory

[pearl dew]

I dont see the option

[tawny cosmos]

You will see share menu after clicking pencil above color skin select. You have to paste code there

[robust elk]

TMKUQ7 this is my avatar if you wanna use

[tawny cosmos]

@pearl dew

[tawny cosmos]

Another cute skin 😍

[pearl dew]

does anyone have siren alr

its available

[robust elk]

Ft and siren got released

And changes too

[calm nimbus]

No siren or ft changes

[robust elk]

Yeah…

Now I have %33 percent chance and %66 percent chance of getting sacrifice candidates

[calm nimbus]

Bp costs 1200 gold right?

[robust elk]

1240

[calm nimbus]

I've spent the last 1 hour watching ads to get to 1200 gold

[calm nimbus]

Oh ok thanks

[robust elk]

Np

[calm nimbus]

New bp looks really cool ngl

[robust elk]

I will ambush new bp at 3:00 AM

But new roles dont look cool ngl

[calm nimbus]

Yeah

[tranquil comet]

steam gonna carry update hard

[calm nimbus]

Yep

I saw honor screen and it's literally the exact same thing as season 1

[torpid sparrow]

Maybe u cant honor someone more than 3 times

[calm nimbus]

That still doesn't really solve honor to honor

They said they made h4h useless now

[proud crescent]

does anyone know what exactly was changed with honor?

[vague heath]

H4h basically not good but almost everyone would vote skip if they not h4h

[dark creek]

So is time to throw to get that thing? lol

Yea, i know is possible to do without throwing

[tawny cosmos]

Be recruited

[spice hedge]

Honor UI has changed almost 0. The changes are internal, hidden on purpose. This honor season is an attempt to make h4h meaningless and making the rewards less important. Ideally you progress honor by simply being a good player. "Cheating" will slow you down (all theory, this is a test season after all)

[tawny cosmos]

You cant rev nonvillager if you arent recruited/cpled etc. cuz ritu's ablity is wasted in this case

[dark creek]

Like be recruit medium and revivie insti, or die as ritu d1 and randomly spell an ww fan

[tropic blade]

hidden changes? oooo

[calm nimbus]

I'm guessing if you get honored a lot you will progress faster?

[tropic blade]

that can be still scammed

[calm nimbus]

Yeah

[tropic blade]

I suppose it woule be something like "you gain more honor per player if you are honored in the same game by more players"

[calm nimbus]

We'll have to see when the update releases

[tropic blade]

so if a player honors you its 1 honor

two = two honor per player =4 honor

three = 16 honor

four = 80 honor

whatever

that still wouldnt work because you can just get 16 players together and go like

"16 games lets honor player Aljninja first game, then honor player Vlad, then x then y then z"

making boosting the way to go

encouraging boosting

so its even more hidden

guardians removing honor?

nah

what could it be then?

if the reward is less important it means that honor will just give cards, gold and a bit of gems?

maybe the game detects when you say "h4h"?

"hello guys would anyone like to exchange you-know-what after the game?"

[calm nimbus]

It probably doesn't count in customs, or if you honor someone in your friend list they get less honor

[tropic blade]

unfriend em before beginning the game

[calm nimbus]

Or if you choose the play with friends options

[tropic blade]

and its never worked on customs iirc

if it did id be surprised

[calm nimbus]

Btw I love how ft is still fixed in a sandbox setup

[tropic blade]

its not officially out yet

[tawny cosmos]

It is

[dark creek]

Yeah but is like... 1/16 to get a medium/ritu and also in this game need to be insti ig, so lets think is every second game in cupid setup, so 1/2. Also need that exactly you eill be recruted what is another 1/11... and also you need to insti die before you, lets think is 1/2. So... chances a are ~0,14%

[tropic blade]

its not on #game-updates

[dark creek]

I answered at this msg*

[tropic blade]

it is out but not officially

[clever torrent]

Is Anyone already try the buffed bully and storm ww now?

[tropic blade]

not me

[tawny cosmos]

I wanted but got corrupted d1 😍

[dark creek]

Thats why throwing is cool?

[clever torrent]

I feel you 😂😂

[tawny cosmos]

When you try rev nonvillager if you arent recruited then ablity is wasted and not working

[dark creek]

Ww fan can be revived

If mot turned

[calm nimbus]

Hehehehe

[dark creek]

We have ee in steam version?

[tawny cosmos]

we have web ee lol

i mean

in steam version

😇

[dark creek]

So, if i found all ee in web version, i wouldnt find new in steam version?

[tawny cosmos]

exactly

[dark creek]

Why i downloaded steam version then...

Lol

[dark creek]

Mvp

[tawny cosmos]

f

[dark creek]

Web>steam

[robust elk]

I tried storm and it is fun

And I was gonna try bully but I got killed d1

[dusky perch]

Dots

[steady quiver]

How did you make it small

[steady quiver]

Oh Tyy

[coarse sedge]

Honor System is back 💀💀

And its feel the same

[rapid hamlet]

really ?

[dark creek]

What the diff?

[lusty gull]

@dusky perch what are the steam ees?

[dusky perch]

steam has ee?

[regal nova]

it's likely

[coarse sedge]

I have no idea really
I just went to quick game do some matches with storm wolf and mess up those newbie

[dusky perch]

no?

who told u

[lusty gull]

I saw someone talking about that in a game so I asked you

Then there probably is none ig

[dusky perch]

yeh there nothing

[latent locust]

easy

[calm nimbus]

You have now become uselesd

[tawny cosmos]

Lm is technically useless too 🙈

[latent locust]

im still gonna use avenger until they at least change the sb setups

[edgy snow]

I have a br and I'm not complaining

[torpid sparrow]

U lucky md

• i dont have another LM card either

[steady quiver]

pfft

[regal nova]

ion narc

[coarse sedge]

Not really, now you can easily prove yourself
And even if converter in game like zombie, save at least 1 card to prove yourself if needed

I guess this is how Ft is played now, prove yourself to the village no cc
The end

[pallid rune]

There are 2 people in the same place.

[coarse sedge]

Its randomized
So yea sometime there some people stay the same place

Yes you also have a small chance to stay the same place as well
Seen a storm ww used ability and stayed the same place b4

[torpid sparrow]

Lmao

[fleet hawk]

Aura: 8 evil
shuffles
8 stays

[gloomy cargo]

are yall having issues with siren or just me?😭💀

[coarse sedge]

Yep I have seen that situation before

[steep hinge]

Does siren have a killing animation

[pallid rune]

new patch is so very useful. you cant miss it

[steep hinge]

I wanna knoe

Know

[tropic blade]

if your defense is staying silent then yes lol

[steep hinge]

?

[signal crystal]

sad for you

Siren does not bypass protection

[tawny cosmos]

Nah

I dont think so

[pallid rune]

exactly

[robust elk]

⤵️

🗑🗑🗑

Siren and ft both useless

I wanted bell ringer now I have %66 percent chance to get legendary preacher sacrifice

[latent locust]

: I am inevitable
: and I am trapper

[pallid rune]

that meme I made since sandbox
ty for not forgetting my meme

[dusky perch]

rk is known to be hard to win

without fool and wws help

if 4 didnt help i would lose from day2 lol

[atomic dragon]

Especially sk, if everyone must kill sk first over ww sk would never win excepted if gamethrowing

sk always goes through the situation 1v1v2 or 1v1v1.

[calm nimbus]

It is

[boreal kraken]

I just noticed yeah

It is

[dawn parcel]

Are Siren and Ft already unlockable or not?

Cuz I can see them under roles

Too bad I have 50/50 chances for both arso and lm

[boreal kraken]

Rich acc fr

[boreal kraken]

I forgot to update my app
My bad

[steady quiver]

im waiting for ft/siren offer lol

[dawn parcel]

I luckily don't need too

got Ft in a 50/50 against avenger

and thank the heavens I got alch in a 50/50 against Siren

[steady quiver]

i dont have any lm or arso advanced

😭

i just want siren to flex qg people

[robust elk]

no burn arso>random potion giver ww deleter alch=3 ww entrancer siren=cross bomb bomber

Half of my games go like this

But wait hold on let me make one more list

no burn arso>random potion giver ww deleter alch=3 ww entrancer siren=cross bomb bomber

Yeah seems more like it

I hate arsos that save the douse for next games

But at least they dont damage ww team that bad

Also dont remove the part before roles

Dont see it as bb>arso>alch>siren

See it the same as I wrote

I said dont remove the parts before

All cross bomb bombers kill 3 ww and flee

All 3 ww entranced sirens delete ww team

All random pot alchs say I only kill ww

I think bomber isnt that hard

I was never troubled playing bomber

The whole bomber base kit is about bombing right to group players

I always find bomber fun

But a buff like if the bomb is at 16 and 12 is bombed 4 should be bombed too will be fine

I couldnt explain it that well

So if bomb is at 16 12 the last bomb is at 4

Alchemist players when they see a potion in the middle of their screen

[dusky perch]

now u can pick base if adv role is fixed in setup nice

[dusky perch]

lol

cards should be disabled

[spice hedge]

In crazy? They are now I believe 🤔 No?

[latent locust]

chain reaction and all random ( version) had them enabled

i think theyre disabled in all the other crazy modes

[dusky perch]

ohh that cool

[robust elk]

They had to write we are working on toxic and lurker so we wouldnt start a riot 💀

[dusky perch]

lol

[robust elk]

The update felt little

2 buffs and 2 roles that was hella weak and needed a whole rework

And buffs wasnt even thinked well

[dusky perch]

how can we know how many points required for next honor lvl ?

[robust elk]

You dont

[spice hedge]

They are coming, don't worry 😄

[robust elk]

The problem is we can wait but we didnt want these 2

The update was not worked on that much (prob steam release)

[willow zealot]

That's unexpected

[tropic blade]

i would do h4h to get the avatar items

[willow zealot]

Does this mean we'll be seeing fixed advanced roles more?

[tropic blade]

rather than if it was a generic reward

[latent locust]

sandbox setups change when

[tropic blade]

YO LURKER CONFIRMED

LETS GO

[deft vault]

Yo pass me the update log

[tropic blade]

#game-updates

[calm nimbus]

Wait

Advanced role can be fixed now

Since you can pick base role

[steady quiver]

So this is my skin Code R88368?

[dusky perch]

ss and gunner fixed in adv mode long time ago

[calm nimbus]

Yeah

And avenger

But now there can be more

And people wont complain

OMG RANKED RRV LIST IS UPDATED MASSIVE W

I LOVE THIS UPDATE

[robust elk]

It says astro and nwm 🌚🌝

The game be trippin

Baker nwm forger and astro is there but they are banned according to the list

[calm nimbus]

No

Oh on mobile it shows

On web it's update

But in game it still doesn't show advanced roles

[robust elk]

The mobile version is trippin

[calm nimbus]

Wait

[hybrid thicket]

I’m playing rn it’s updated in the game

[calm nimbus]

Yeah it doesnt show mayor or other banned base roles but it still doesnt show advanced roles

So we're 50% there

[robust elk]

The update is so little

They just added steam

Other than that

Roles and balance changes seem out of place

They say toxic and lurker has to be worked on and then releases this two piece of craps

[dark creek]

Any info about new honor system?

I meant how it work?

what changed

[steady quiver]

bully can be hard zb counter now

preventing possible zb from biting makes hunting them down a lot easier

[dark creek]

and is shadow counter

[steady quiver]

lots of others roles also shadow counter

that isn't unique to bully itself

[dark creek]

yeah, but is only vigi basic/advance who countring it

[dark creek]

and, not much roles as good as bully here who can do this actually

[tropic blade]

I enjoy random concussing

[plucky jay]

all fun and games until you get banned

[tropic blade]

not bannable iirc

[plucky jay]

Well yea not concussing

But killing

I saw a bully kill a person for no reason at all

they were nwm

🙄

[tropic blade]

if random concussing isnt bannable its worth concussing someone day 1 and 2 randomly

[dark creek]

I saw gunner and vigi who random shooting🤯

[steady quiver]

they lived up to their name, I mean

[plucky jay]

vigi always randoms

[charred drift]

and then THREATEN THEM DAY 3

[plucky jay]

And I'm scared of the gamethrowers who have gunner

[tropic blade]

yup

ROLE OR DIE

[charred drift]

UNTIL THEIR HEARTS TEAR APART (emotiomally)

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[plucky jay]

what do y'all think about the new battle pass

[dark creek]

just be avenger and tag vigi

[charred drift]

I LOVE ROLE OR DIE (unless im evil then u cant do that its reportable)

[dark creek]

I personally dont like it, all skins which i liked got into gem offer or clan offer

[charred drift]

mid

[plucky jay]

Ah

I love this bp personally

[steady quiver]

Vigi random reveals doc: DUMB VIGI ALL REPORT

Vigi random reveals bandit: gj vigi, nice, cool

[charred drift]

i wanted mafia

[plucky jay]

yes village needs to have the same standard lmao

We can have mafia next

[charred drift]

vigi…

[plucky jay]

Rate this 1/10

I'm doing a survey

[calm nimbus]

9/10

I really like this battle pass tbh especially the emotes

[charred drift]

6/10 dont like the mouth nor the glassws

[steady quiver]

And call me crazy, but I think random revealing doc is not as bad as random revealing jww for example, especially early game. Doc tends to be a common fixed role for all non-village roles to claim so revealing them makes it much harder for remaining evils to claim a role. Plus it's really common for revealed doc to be saved by another rrv protector the next night, or give bh enough time to trap them before they get attacked

[plucky jay]

same watermelon

yoyo that's crazy logic

If I'm bh I'm not gonna trap the doc who's probably about to die

the graves look so small

like why

[steady quiver]

8 times out of 10 they're not gonna die immediately

[plucky jay]

yes but from a perspective of a bh I'm not trapping them

[steady quiver]

it's like revealed cursed, ww aren't gonna turn them immediately especially early game

well yeah, but other protector like gl or witch could save them

[plucky jay]

revealed cursed and revealed doc are 2 different things entirely

[steady quiver]

not really imo

[plucky jay]

yea really

[steady quiver]

ww claim doc and cursed equally as many times

[dark creek]

I got thrower in my team, directly in my team 4 times in row

[plucky jay]

and they always get killed yoyo

[dark creek]

What are chances?

[steady quiver]

not in my experience

[edgy yacht]

Why are u kind?

[plucky jay]

I'm actually banned rn for cussing a thrower out

was worth it

[midnight whale]

I see a lot of people complaining about this update, idk I think it's pretty neat that we finally got Fortune Teller back and it's actually usable and not op as well as a fully new solo killer which we haven't seen since Evil Detective I believe

[plucky jay]

Yea but everyone is disappointed about siren

And how bad it is

[midnight whale]

Idk I don't think it's that bad and I like its death mechanic cause it's unique and hurts the village

[plucky jay]

hurts the village entirely too much

What's the point of it it's just made to die

siren has the same winrate as sk

and it's supposed to be arso advanced

[midnight whale]

It's not made to die and solo killers die in games a lot anyway 🤷🏼‍♂️

[calm nimbus]

Ft is useless and just used to prove yourself

Siren is absolute trash in both design and strenght

[plucky jay]

Siren is actually a horrendous role idk what to tell you panda

If it's equally as hard to win as siren than a sk that's bad

[calm nimbus]

Everything that isn't role related is good

H4H is reportable

[plucky jay]

they're keeping the honor thing secret

Yea

[calm nimbus]

If we got toxic, lurker and a few roles nerfs that were needed this wouldve been the best update ever

[plucky jay]

?

who did you want nerfed

[calm nimbus]

Astro

Night watchman

Butcher

[charred drift]

slow there buddy

[plucky jay]

whatt

[midnight whale]

Isn't arso one of the harder solos to win with?

[plucky jay]

those don't need nerfs wth

no

[robust elk]

Nwm needs one

[calm nimbus]

They are super op

[robust elk]

Nwm is defo op

[charred drift]

• nwm chooses 2 ppl to see prot on them not inf
• butcher cant give meat to same twice
• astro blocks everyone

[plucky jay]

forger>astro

[calm nimbus]

No

[plucky jay]

yea

[calm nimbus]

But forger needs nerf too

[calm nimbus]

No nwm is still op this way

[plucky jay]

Astros killing mechanic is a nerf itself

[calm nimbus]

Nwm should just be banished like old fortune teller

[plucky jay]

nwm can only protect thrice

[calm nimbus]

It's nerfing enough

[charred drift]

they do???

• astro protects everuone from ww wjen witch protects only once,witch isnt even guaranteed to save
• butcher is buffed doc
• nwm proves protection too easily

[plucky jay]

If no RRV protectors ig it's useless

just doc with only 3 protections

[calm nimbus]

You confirm bh thats already bad enough

[plucky jay]

idk nwm is balanced imo

[calm nimbus]

I can understand why people could think butcher is good but nwm and astro are just so obviously broken

[charred drift]

no theres fixed 2ne protector in almost every seyip

[plucky jay]

2 fixed?

[calm nimbus]

How

[plucky jay]

this set up it's only bh and nwm

[charred drift]

"this" setup?

[plucky jay]

the sandbox setups

[calm nimbus]

If you are ww and nwm is ig, you cant fake any protector role

[charred drift]

2nd protector is bh in setups

?

[plucky jay]

yea I just said that

[robust elk]

Photon do you save with all your saves as doc

[plucky jay]

no

[robust elk]

I think astro is a bit a tad bit overrated