speculations

[agile basin]

Three different themes, expressions...

[cold cypress]

And a battle pass is supposed to be the platform where new skilled designers are given the chance to shine, where is that chance if the same veteran designer is going to hog up more than 50% of the spots

[agile basin]

I don't think so

[cold cypress]

Wov skin designers have their designs recognised by the style too, they can be different skins and designs but you can tell it's made by the same person

[dusk hemlock]

then whats the point of opening submission

[latent salmon]

almost every designer has their own style and if u show a design to someone like zirc or me, we could prolly tell you from who the design is 😂

[agile basin]

Battle pass is something that should atract many different people, because you cannot choose. Clan quests are the place for new designers

[orchid solstice]

But this BP is not even attractive
So many people said that now

[cold cypress]

I can look at a skin and immediately tell who drew it if I know the designer, that's what a "style" is, they can be different elements(hair type, eyes, personality) but you can tell it's the same universe

[dusk hemlock]

that isnt the case. bp open every in a while, which mean a specific number of skins will be chosen. unlike clan quest which release in certain occasions

[dusk hemlock]

not the first time

[orchid solstice]

the last one wasn't attractive either

[latent salmon]

rn some of the bp skins who didnt made it in, are turned into clan quests. thats pretty cool tbh, but its sad that there is only one gender tho

[jovial geyser]

which one was lighze's?

[feral saffron]

It's just odd that for the second bp in a row the devs try to pidgeonhole a third Milk design into bp even when others are more on theme. They did it last bp with that Flower Angel design. Tell me which fairy tale you know with flower angels? And they did it this time again with Spiritual Love. Just cause it has the word 'spiritual' doesn't mean it's dark. There's a thing called 'show don't tell'.

[raven fossil]

nah mine will didn't make. Many player not a fan of my artstyle but i think the other ones will make it i want to upgrade my style and make it better for the next bp

[orchid solstice]

Yeah I understand ur point. I still think it's totally not fair that the same artist get 3 /5 what about something new ? No why should there do it. The pink purple one is so off topic, the name is on topic but not the skin themselves

[short epoch]

i want public vote

suggest vote of in #dev-vote not make a document while player cant see vote

[lusty fractal]

No for 2 reasons:

• Discord breaks down when there are that many reactions (eg unable to vote, reactions missing)
• Vote is only a guideline, doesn't have to be followed, public vote would be likely to increase frustration even more

[dusk hemlock]

Just remove the vote. It has zero influence on what outfit will be chosen anyways.

[short epoch]

If the voting data is not public, how can players believe it is fair or not?
You say the vote numbers disappoint players so why do many other games still publicize normally and players support it?

[dusk hemlock]

The thing is, other games care about players' opinion

Unlike this game

[short epoch]

so this game not care ?

[lusty fractal]

No. That's just straight up false, and quite frankly insulting.

[lusty fractal]

Dm Philipp if you want to contest that decision, I don't have access to it anyways

[short epoch]

wow best answer.

[dusk hemlock]

If so, why wouldnt you just publicize the vote? And give a clear explanation why outfits are not chosen/chosen

[lusty fractal]

Let's make a hypothetical scenario where votes get public

• designer 1 gets the most votes
• designer 2 gets the second most votes
• it is found that designer 1 broke copyright guidelines or something like that
• designer 2 gets added in-game, designer 1 doesn't
• everyone asks why not designer 1
• what do we do now? Tell everyone about how designer 1 potentially broke the law? Not a fan of that.

[short epoch]

because they choose their outfits based on relationships, not on votes

[dusk hemlock]

Tell everyone about how designer 1 potentially broke the law?
That is exactly what you should do? 🤨

[raven fossil]

yes. Honesty is the best way

[lusty fractal]

... We're not here to witch hunt designers

[dusk hemlock]

You can just keep the designers' identity anonymous until the final selections are publized.

[lusty fractal]

Do you have any idea how people react when you say publically that someone messed up very bad?
The answer is that the internet isn't always a nice place
I've seen over a hundred of cyberbullying users. We will not enable cyberbullying.

[raven fossil]

Google is not the best way for the votes because u can make unlimited Accs to push a ouftit

[lusty fractal]

You do realise that people recognise style?

[short epoch]

Blaim for copyright. Why not check it before bring it to vote ?

[lusty fractal]

Like seriously
I get the frustration
But this is an extremely naive point of view

[dusk hemlock]

So let's turn into personal attack instead of arguing

[lusty fractal]

That's already done, it's impossible to have a 100% accuracy though

[dusk hemlock]

Thats how moderation works ah

[lusty fractal]

The pov is naive, not you >_> but anyways, complaints/feedback about me go to Lisa

[dusky perch]

that can be done anywhere else too

[raven fossil]

yeah right

[short epoch]

So let me ask if Milk's season 30 Snow White costume doesn't infringe copyright?

[dusk hemlock]

Not everyone. Not even a large number of them.

[lusty fractal]

Cool, that's still too much though

[lusty fractal]

That's not for me to say, I'm not a designer nor a lawyer nor a dev nor anything like it

Dm Philipp for concerns

[raven fossil]

I didn't recognize any skin except Yumi's

but let's close this Discussion. It's more stressful and we won't find a solution anytime soon

[dusk hemlock]

Even at that moment there is nothing wrong. If you are caught tracing/stealing arts it is not something unfair if you are hated by people.

[short epoch]

The fact that a person has 2-3 outfits when there are a lot of better subpages (in the opinion of many people), the choice of this outfit is definitely problematic and it shows the biggest in not publicly voting ...

[lusty fractal]

Again, we will not enable cyberbullying of any kind
This is not up to discussion

[dusk hemlock]

If there is supposed to be coincidence, sure let that move on

[dusk hemlock]

That aint cyberbullying

Now suppose you caught a criminal, if you report them you are considered a bully?

[lusty fractal]

We're not the police
We're discord mods
Not the same thing

And you're not the police either

(And yes, hate is one of the many, and most prominent cause cyberbullying can have)

[dusk hemlock]

And it is people's right to stand up against unfairness, no?

[lusty fractal]

This is not up to discussion

[dusk hemlock]

If someone decided to copy or anything, they should well know the consequence anw

[lusty fractal]

Again, we're not the police, and you're not the police. You aren't here to enforce any consequences so stop acting like it.
This is not up to discussion.

[short epoch]

anyone miss it

[dusk hemlock]

Instead of this awesome outfit we have bunch of milk skins

Perfection

Cottagecore was one of the worst (as the players says) bp

[modest mural]

Why u hate milk

[spark hatch]

We dont hate milk, its just... someone explain

[short epoch]

they are always blaming on copyright

[thorny tree]

@toxic mantle Stay respectful when choosing to post content on this server

[modest mural]

I agree with her

[latent salmon]

Anyone knows when this will be available?

[short epoch]

what role

[toxic mantle]

Oof sorry then, I didn't know that was being disrespectful

[thorny tree]

Well I don't believe that seeing how it was written, but thanks for considering to avoid that in the future!

[latent salmon]

It’s premium talisman offer. Or at least should be

[short epoch]

it not look like talisman -))

[latent salmon]

It’s hard to make it looks like that

But I only want the permanent upgrade and idc abt the skin

[narrow harbor]

[lusty fractal]

@narrow harbor don't provoke

@narrow harbor ^

[worn marten]

[feral saffron]

I can't speak for everyone here, but I certainly don't hate Milk. I think they're an awesome designer, in fact their spiritual love design is something I would've been thrilled to see in clan quest (where fresh designs are more open to interpration). That aside, I don't think its deserving of taking up a third spot over another outfit that was more on theme. Idk, I find the current system is forcing designs to become monolithic (there's been other signs of this that go outside the scope of speculations, so I'm just sticking with the upcoming bp) and it's very sad to see when there's such a plethora of awesome designers. It's incentivising new designers to not even try as instead of 5 spots to vy for, there's suddenly only two left, which more than likely will go to two other high-profile designers.

in response to this: #speculations message

sorry, I forget to click on reply sometimes.

[charred drift]

can you draw fart wolf

[worn marten]

I wish i could show the result to stop all hate comment here why ppl so

[worn marten]

Nooo, i don't like that role tbh 😁 i weird somehow to me

[charred drift]

🤧

[charred drift]

but the name is awesome

and its stinky

[dusk hemlock]

premium talismans offer includes the following:
Anti-talismans decrease the probability to get role x (will be consumed when you dont get the role)
team talismans ( increase probability to get role of team x)
talisman crafting ( combine unused talismans to get talisman you want

[alpine kestrel]

We want 380 gems offers again pls, stop with only real money offers

[worn marten]

i can't decide it we could draw 380 gem offer as usual ofc, but seem like player dont really like the 380 gem offer

[charred drift]

will you draw fart wolf when its ingame

[alpine kestrel]

I think people prefer to spend gems instead of €10 everytime

[charred drift]

WAIT

CAN YOU

MAKE

A

[alpine kestrel]

Or release the Monsters collection 💪🏻

[charred drift]

MEDIUM SKIN

OR CONJ

[worn marten]

that your opinion, because if it going well, i think dev already decide to make 380 gem offer

[dusk hemlock]

why would dev release gem offer when they can make more money by releasing real cash offer 😳

[charred drift]

@slate hull are since youre here,is fart wolf gonna arrive soon

[worn marten]

seem like you really in love with them, but not have plan for it yet

[charred drift]

or are you gonna say to not pressure kem

[alpine kestrel]

yes I am 😭

[slate hull]

You'd think so yes, but people are more interested in the advanced role offers than the 380 gem ones

[dusk hemlock]

monster collection is that one with shirt/hat like the fruit offer?

[slate hull]

I think I'm going to start banning people who ping me because of fart wolf if that answers you question ^^

[charred drift]

🤨

[alpine kestrel]

at least make a Formula 1 style Racing driver skin, maybe a clan quest

dust and cobwebs are growing in my inventory

[willow zealot]

From what people have told me, that's because it comes with a card, some were happy to pay just for that as it guarantees a role they want

[slate hull]

About the whole Milk situation:
Her outfits were on spot 2, 4 and 5 with a sizeable gap to spot 6. There was no favoritism involved in using her outfits, it's just the result of the voting.

[dusk hemlock]

and then theres people who only want the skins

[alpine kestrel]

a role card is very easy to get with card upgrading as it's very easy to get cards through levelling up, chests and other features

[dusk hemlock]

soucre: trust me bro

[alpine kestrel]

the most people who buy card offers do it because they're skin-addicted and they want new skins every week

[dusk hemlock]

pretty fun that this game has more cosmetic than some designing/fashion games out there

[agile basin]

Flo spitting facts

[alpine kestrel]

this result was from a poll made an year ago probably, because people were interested in this new feature. I'm sure that if you make another poll in which people can choose if they prefer real money card offers or 380 gems offers, they prefer the second ones

[slate hull]

Sure there was the poll, but we also see sale figures since then and role offers are just more popular. With that said I do think there is a normal offer planned, but don't quote me on that, I'm only filling in this week for cosmetic stuff 😆

[feral saffron]

@ Flo cause I ain't about to ping, but when are you planning on making black curly hair that's not behind a gem clan quest or €9.99 paywall? It's very disheartening that the black community is demanded to pay to see their representation which is given to others for free. Can we expect to see more of these in the future?

[slender socket]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@steady quiver

[slate hull]

Like I said above, I'm only filling it this week with cosmetics 🙈
I have no idea what is planned for the future

[slender socket]

Doesn't make sense

[orchid solstice]

Idk if guys wanna know it
Im working right now on a skin with some dark hair structure
Because I have seen there's not so many with that._.

[tranquil comet]

did u read my dm?

[latent salmon]

I dunno if you already saw them, but nagini made two dark hair styles which you can buy with gold. || and yes I know they aren’t a lot and I also would like to see more variety||

[slate hull]

I think that's awesome 😄

[slate hull]

Just did, will answer at some point 🙈

[lethal gale]

I wonder how would advanced role offers perform if they could be also purchased with gems

[orchid solstice]

If u want I can send u a message if when im ready ^^

[alpine kestrel]

Release the Monsters collection this week and Philipp will make you the best employee of the month 💪🏻

[slate hull]

You have been blessed

[slate hull]

I know nothing about that 😆

[charred drift]

me too pls,for preacher because ive been trying to get preacher for such a long time but first i got baker then i got gg then i sacrificed baker i dont wanna get baker again

[slender socket]

Bruh

[feral saffron]

That's like releasing a single pony tail to the public, and saying "seeee, we provide 'caucasian' hairstyles(emphasis on the s)". That's a great start, but doesn't even begin to cover it.

[latent salmon]

it was only an information 😭
actually nagini made a couple versions, but sadly only two got added in game :(

i also think there should be more tho

[feral saffron]

Yeah, I know nagini's really been pulling through. I honestly appreciate her efforts a lot. And I'm glad for the devs and designers to get some mullah flowing, but why have the majority of black hair styles been used to fund your project. I'm just a bit lost.

[feral saffron]

yes, please. I would love that!

[latent salmon]

i dont understand neither 🥹
she also made some other dark skinned quest skin designs. i rly hope they gonna add them to the game. that would bring some more variety

[feral saffron]

And not to beat a dead horse, but gem clan quests are not the solution. There's been two gem quests with black hair textures and my clan wasn't interested. I can't strongarm people into donating their gems to see myself represented, but I at least want to be given the same opportunity as others have been granted to see parts of myself reflected in my avatar.

[solar ravine]

Ppl arguing about outfits while me on my way getting tons of role cards

[feral saffron]

someone's rich

[solar ravine]

||and i care about new role more||

[feral saffron]

more power to ya

[solar ravine]

Smh i bought tons of skins but i never used them

[dusk hemlock]

Ppl arguing about outfits and card while me on my way to actually play this game 💀

[spark hatch]

Me waiting for june to end, cuz i already reached max cards

[steady quiver]

||never gonna give you up||

[solar ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/patrig-patrick-star-gif-24529676

[dusk hemlock]

the only bg that i use

[solar ravine]

Bro want to make sure everyone know he is top ranked

[steep hinge]

Bro i hope all of the roles you made from rt get added, your roles are amazing

[solar ravine]

Sadly ppl want more OP role

[steep hinge]

Exactly

[spark hatch]

Indeed

[steep hinge]

I will not be that surprised if they decide to add op roles from the rt

Big ear man was op

[solar ravine]

Look at Trapper, Astro

[solar ravine]

💀

[steep hinge]

#rt-roles-2022 message

[solar ravine]

Well, atleast one of my team before is good at making icons (one of em are Designer)

@steep hinge but your role you made also unique on the name, not using overused one

[steep hinge]

Here's my shit role
I remember you hating it lol
#rt-roles-2022 message

[solar ravine]

Extortitionist

[steep hinge]

Tysm

[solar ravine]

Idk how to spell 💀

[steep hinge]

Extortionist?

[solar ravine]

yes

[charred drift]

ooh can i see your roles in #rt-roles-2022 ?

[steep hinge]

Yes

#rt-roles-2022 message

Extortionist

[solar ravine]

Funny cuz voting for RT roles make you get 5 role cards when winning rewards is lesser than that 💀💀

[charred drift]

what

wait i dont get it

you get cards from rt roles?

[solar ravine]

If you completed the voting document you get 5 cards

[orchid solstice]

U wanna see how it looks right now ?

[charred drift]

what document?

when a role tournament happens and you vote for it you get cards?

[solar ravine]

yes

[charred drift]

ohh thank you for telling

[solar ravine]

Took me 2 hours to complete whole document

[charred drift]

how many roles are there estimatedly

[steep hinge]

I have a document of all of the roles my team made, DM me for the document if u want

[solar ravine]

321

[charred drift]

wow

[steep hinge]

I think Lisa confirmed that there is gonna be an rt this year

[solar ravine]

no

i think rt is april

April-July

[charred drift]

cant we just ask lisa rn

[solar ravine]

Look at Siren omagahhhh totally balanced role and counterablen💅

[charred drift]

siren is the second role ive seen that is weak for itself and good for other teams

first is bomber

coincidence both are arso tree

[solar ravine]

Why not make Siren ww team 💀

Siren icon looks like village role

[charred drift]

yes

maybe like

make it a full body

with ariel hair

[solar ravine]

Bro this is Siren not mermaid 💀

[charred drift]

arent sirens mermaids

[wild valve]

Hello

[solar ravine]

Siren is evil mermaid

[charred drift]

are mermaids good tho

[solar ravine]

They deceive ppl

Mermaids = good
Siren = Evil

[worn marten]

It will be very very small ingame and not recognize able if make full body

[charred drift]

what if its like

lwmme draw

[solar ravine]

Should've make the Siren tail is Green

[worn marten]

Dont have to, cause i cant change it 😄

[charred drift]

like get it

its like

[worn marten]

It look like ariel princess 😄

[charred drift]

idk i have it in my mind but i cant draw

[solar ravine]

|| never gonna give you up ||

[charred drift]

https://tenor.com/view/patrig-patrick-star-gif-24529676

[solar ravine]

Nah dont make it looks like Ariel or u will get banned for copyright

[charred drift]

oh

[uneven osprey]

Is it just me or is there a reaction bug in #item-previews

[charred drift]

then ill make it evil ariel

[uneven osprey]

[worn marten]

I think bug, all 1 reaction

[uneven osprey]

Oh :0

[charred drift]

like this

the bottom is fading

i know i draw awesome

[solar ravine]

I think this fits more

[charred drift]

now thats an evil siren

can be a skin for "toxic love" theme no?

since siren is also related to love

[solar ravine]

no

[charred drift]

but fake since its toxic

[solar ravine]

wdym, Siren is always Evil

[charred drift]

instead of an uwu mermaid icon

[solar ravine]

nop

Im poor

[charred drift]

1 rose take it or leave it

[solar ravine]

I mean what is the beg

Bet

Siren reworked or added?

No

1000 gems deal

1 barbie doll

[charred drift]

i give u 1 rose u give me preacher offer deal?

[solar ravine]

|| never gonna give you up ||

I aint gambling

#rt-roles-2022 message here is the role i made for rt btw

||deal||

[charred drift]

trades are not encouraged here so its best to talk about it in dms

[charred drift]

i like how it sacrifices protection for dead killing for revenge sect etc

but the name enchanter and a rock sounds weird ngl

maybe an undead name

[solar ravine]

I didnt make that icon

[charred drift]

oh

[feral saffron]

Yh sure. Post it over in #avatar-ideas I'll have a look. Curious to see

[steep hinge]

Did you make any more roles?

[solar ravine]

Pharmacist

(panic role)

[torpid sparrow]

"The data"

[torpid sparrow]

Its normal to me

[signal crystal]

so what about new roles?

[agile basin]

they have literally released new roles this week

[latent locust]

next bp judge will be added
not sure about the other one maybe locksmith

[short epoch]

spy

[charred drift]

donkey wolf

[edgy snow]

fart ww

[quaint hamlet]

F A R T W W L E T ' S G O O O

if no one wants to design a skin for fart ww and it gets in game, someone hit me up 🗣️ 💥

[charred drift]

bad news sillypoo

[quaint hamlet]

no bad news

fart ww has to make it

or at least add it as a custom game mode role for shits and giggles

[quaint hamlet]

KSKSMKAKAKAZCIGIGKEBWGDY8GPYVETFPYUVWCYAF9GHB

[frigid ermine]

BOI

donkey wolf is W

[next cedar]

Tbh there’s nothing saying we will only get two, cause some updates we got three

[mortal shore]

im trying to get more in with gold quests too next time <3333

[latent locust]

i misread this message dont mind me

on the topic of the message maybe but i doubt it

[short epoch]

idk. but who like role card offer than 380 gems offer ?

i think a lot of people like 380 gems offer than

[agile basin]

Ther are some nice quest skins

[charred drift]

some of those are WILD

[unique elm]

THERE IS A PANDA QUEST

OMG

[dawn anvil]

🤣🤣🤣

[short epoch]

-)) maybe mod like it bc it expensive and get real money

[latent locust]

now that i think about what if only judge gets added 🤯

[next cedar]

I’m just thinking that’s the case cause we aren’t getting much in terms of balance

Only one minor “buff” to acc that means nothing

[raven fossil]

I was so bad that I couldn't even get through as a quest.

[short epoch]

ple do it

[slate hull]

There really isn't a reason to ping me with screenshots of feedback Posts 🙈

[waxen river]

Well, why a cool skin for gems? I CRY!

Of all the golden skins, this one was the only one I liked.

[dusty cypress]

Whats the item for sending new calender to a friend?

[dusty cypress]

Thanks!

[pearl dew]

Np!

[torpid sparrow]

SK and April make such beautiful outfits 😍 👾

God they are beyond awesome

Im even thinking of blackmailing my clan to buy that gem quest

||im BMer from ToS||

[latent salmon]

i literally wanna cry 😭

every designer who submitted a high enough quality skin got at least one in game, but u not a single one. not even as quest, i dont understand

[dusky perch]

when we had poll for us if we prefer 380gems offer or epic card offer ?

idk if he will see my msg cuz its without ping

[dusky perch]

auh i see

[dusky perch]

the only reason adv card offer has high sales is the outfit
no one pay 10euro for talisman or epic card of role
if u sell outfit alone for gems u will see how people will buy it 100x adv card offer which is a little bit overprice

[mortal shore]

can confirm i just have the jelly one for the outfit ;-;

[slate hull]

(which is exactly what I was talking about that gem only offers weren't selling anymore while the advanced offers are)

[dusky perch]

philipp need add more gem offers i dont remember any gem offer came this year 0_0

make outfit cost gems = more sells = more ppl buy gems = more money
more sells >>>> price
maybe 380gems dont cost 10euro but how many people will buy gems ? and not everyone will just buy 360gems they will buy more so more profit

🥲 i have gems that i dont know what to do cuz nothing new

||other than calendars||

[plush hollow]

(The outfit for the Wolvesville anniversary if I remember)

[dusky perch]

true

[alpine kestrel]

at least make some new 380 gems offers with outfits from Nagini, Shellz, Nighty and other designers since only SK make epic roles card offers. I would like them also outside of the battle pass

[zealous galleon]

I'm so sad that theyre not using this skin in the game 😭 do you think the female version will be available too? Only the male one made the quests 😭

[marble remnant]

a big part of what that means is not what you think.
its not ' we picked less popular voted ones isntead cause we want to'
it means new designers arent always able or willing to sign the designer contract etc, so they cant include those ingame and ave to pick lesser voted instead

[marble remnant]

' clan quests are the place for new designers'
how is this not negative and rude
i'd get in trouble for saying smth like that, i bet

why dont they deserve to get into a bp?

clan quests dont even have a clear submission process, its much more vague

how does a new designer submit for that? would love to know.

[agile basin]

Hey, under the context of the conversation, I didn't say that new designers shouldn't have their skins in the battle pass. Someone mentioned that only skins made by more expert designers were added there, and that it should be a place for new designers. My reply was, as my personal opinion, that battle pass should have the best skins, regardless who made them, since, unlike clan quests, a user cannot choose which ones to unlock. I don't have ny intention to discriminate any one, at all, so I hope you don't misunderstand my message. If you really found my text harmfull, please redirect your feedback to my higher up rank.

[marble remnant]

battlepass is pretty cheap, you get back justa s much gold as you paid, and gems, and 5 outfits and so on
so it isnt all that dramatic that they need to be the best quality
and this is still implying that there is no new designers who can match up to that level of skill, which is still kinda incorrect 🤔

it would be nice if max 1 or 2 design per designer is allowed to make it in
or max 2 to be submitted at all

you cant choose what to unlock, so lets have a bigger range of styles then 🙃 rather than 3 pairs of huge round eyes etc

[agile basin]

As I said, I didn't said that new designers are bad designers. I said that, in my opinion, and in order to get the best quality in a such important aspect which is customization, we shouldn't look on who made which design, but in which design they made. If you want to continue discussing about the message, move to dms, since I don't want to remake the same discussion again, or if not, leave your feedback to a higher up rank. Thank you :)

[marble remnant]

what the flip does this sentence even mean... " who made which design, but in which design they made."

[agile basin]

I think it's quite autodescriptive. There's no point in looking to who made a skin. The final product, the skin, is what you will have in game, and it should have the best quality. These skins won the vote, and I state that I didn't find it fair to complain about not having skins from other designers. There's not much to analise on my worlds, and it's not a fair state to say that if you have said that, you would have been punished. I've already given you two options, move to dms or give feedback to a higher up rank. You've already taken no attention to one of my suggestion, which you are free to, but I prefer to end# this conversation now. Thank you.

[marble remnant]

i just asked for clarification because it was infact, not that very understandably worded to me.
it doesnt need to go in dm, as it follows directly something that was already said. If i dont understand, perhaps others also did not, so having your explanation of what you said, should be available to everyone here. not in dms.

[regal nova]

Makes sense

[marble remnant]

it doesnt really look like you explained the part i quoted but rather repeated the rest, but alright, thats your rightful choice.

i didnt actually continue the topic of 'higher up feedback' either so repeating that suggestion was a little 'not fair' as well.

[regal nova]

"Doesn't matter who made the fit..."

Etc

[feral saffron]

Only, it kinda does matter. There's two separate issues, one is that not enough designers get exposure, which means that it does matter who made the fit. The second argument is that it limits style a lot. Designers each have their own very-easy-to-spot style and by limiting the amount of designers, you are also limiting the amount of styles to pick from, meaning players are stuck with what's on offer. So, again, it does matter.

I'll leave it up to the devs, I guess. I might believe there's bias involved, but if they say the designs were well within their rightful spots, I guess I'll just accept and drop it.

[regal nova]

Yes, but as others have brought up lemme find the msg rq

@mortal shore don't lemme stop u

[mortal shore]

cant figure out how to word what i want to say 😂😂😂

[feral saffron]

it's ok nagi, we love you, never change.

[regal nova]

^

[feral saffron]

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but imma voice it anyway. Maybe limit the amount of designs a designer can submit? But I'm not one myself, it's just a shower thought and they might feel very different about it.

[mortal shore]

i guess in the end there will always be some bias to designers who are experienced (aka already have stuff ingame). like maje said there is more to deal with, with new designers contract wise, and sometimes copyright wise too.
and also every designer had to fight for their spot before even getting one design in game. me, april, nighty, shellz etc, idk we all made plenty of designs that never got in until that one day came after working hard for a long time. it’s just about pushing through and getting comfy with the style. i’m not saying the designs of newer ppl aren’t good but some just don’t look game ready yet and that takes time to master. idk just brain thoughts

[mortal shore]

i think this would b great yea

[uneven osprey]

Would be a nice change 👀

[mortal shore]

or like, not limiting the submission but like max 2 outfits per bp/quest season per designer

and more bp outfits turned into offers again !!! pls

[uneven osprey]

This

[feral saffron]

I'm heartbroken over nagini's toxic lovers, but we'll push through 🤧 🤧 🤧

[mortal shore]

ME TOO😭😭😭😭

heart broken

i’ll resubmit tho as quest

[feral saffron]

plssssss

[regal nova]

Makes sense
Kinda felt similarly making icons

[mortal shore]

art is all about practice in the end and it’s hard workkk😭

[regal nova]

Not the same same degree ofc

[feral saffron]

all you designers out there, stay foxy. Also milk, I love you, please don't take anything I said personal. Wasn't a diss at you, just devs and their choices.

[regal nova]

But i'd like to think later icons show more confidenve

with exceptions

[mortal shore]

i love the stubborn one (it’s stubborn right? top right)

[regal nova]

Yea ^^

[feral saffron]

lmaooo the priest one

Digging it

[regal nova]

Icons i've been doing for pride month

[mortal shore]

the priest is cool too yea 😂

[regal nova]

Need to make 4 mre by the endof the 30th

[mortal shore]

they don’t feel very pride tho color wise

[regal nova]

aleep

[feral saffron]

they all aleep. spread the word

wenkis, our messiah

[mortal shore]

gib me pillow plz

[feral saffron]

I have like no idea what the green dog is. Is it fart wolf?

[regal nova]

Well i guess but I kinda wanted them to be a bit more
Personable?
While also having the volor palettes of their respctive flags

Onsti

[last bramble]

insti

[mortal shore]

get what u mean !! but i wouldn’t have guessed it’s pride icons personally if u hadn’t said it 🥺

[regal nova]

Makes sense lol

Mainly did this as an art challenge

[mortal shore]

but still, definitely potential there. keep going if u enjoy it 🫶🫶

[regal nova]

I'm kinda proud of myself, a lot of the later ones were from scratc

[feral saffron]

Some of these show potential, others feel a bit unfinished. But it's like nagi said, you gotta push through the rejection and come out on top.

[regal nova]

Ysa I feel that

Prolly gonna start streaming icon making

Like

Twice a week?

[feral saffron]

That sounds like a plan

[mortal shore]

i remember i used to stream for a little while making wov designs and once i made a grilled cheese instead of drawing for my 2 loyal viewers. anyway not my thing 😂😂😂😂

[feral saffron]

nagini making grilled cheese sandwich, now that I'd watch. Cosy vibes only.

[regal nova]

Lmao

[mortal shore]

i might scare u with the amount of cheese

[regal nova]

I don'tlike cheese 👁👄👁

[mortal shore]

that’s a very personal attack to me, cheese lover

[feral saffron]

do I spot rapunzel boy? 👀 I love this repurposing. Kinda like the hair from the cosy bp that nighty added to Y2K collection

[mortal shore]

oh yea i hadn’t noticed lol

i reuse so many items too😂

[feral saffron]

honestly, you should. We been sleeping on so much of your stuff, fr fr

[mortal shore]

🥲

[unique elm]

I hope next theme is a theme where u can send your skins you submitted this one again

Ngl your skins were amazing

[mortal shore]

if not i make quests <33 ty 🥺

[unique elm]

Yes pls 🥹

I need them hahaha

[mortal shore]

still on a mission to get my lofi/red riding hood girl hair in 😂

both was just boy quest ;-; but i need the hair from girl 😂

[unique elm]

I need the toxic love girl 🥹🥹🥹

[mortal shore]

me too😔😔😔

[unique elm]

Slaying a way too much

[mortal shore]

hoping for next season UwU

[unique elm]

Pray pray

[odd willow]

Users: complain because they think the ones with most votes aren't getting chosen
Also users: pls limit outfits from those who were voted because it's unfair for the rest
It's almost funny to see people complaining about the same topic, but who want to go in opposite directions

[obtuse mica]

Shhhh you see nothing 👀

[feral saffron]

I already said that I was wrong if they were truly the most voted for fits. Why you tryna stir up sh- that I alr let go of? lmao

[odd willow]

I'm just saying that if you see all the complaints people do, they go in wildly different directions
Nevermind if you realised they were the most voted anyways

[feral saffron]

Yeah, well, my opinion can change based on new information.

Not much you can do about it, really

[odd willow]

I never said I wanted to, but like imagine being a staff member and you see 10 ppl trying to push in one way, and 10 ppl trying to push you the other way
In the end you've got 20 ppl unhappy because you don't go either ways and the situation stalls and people get even more unhappy when it wasn't broken in the first place

(this isn't directed to you specifically, just in general for ppl who rant at every bp season)

[feral saffron]

I think we ultimately all know that devs gonna do what they deem is right. Doesn't mean we have to share the same opinion and can't be vocal about it. It's up to them to do with what they want. Bp is only once every 2 months, I'm sure in 2 days we'll be talking about something else and probably in 2 months time we'll come here complaining again.

[mortal shore]

i think limitations to designs in any way would be best for quest only. bp has a vote for a reason, quest doesn’t and there’s 12 spots it would make more sense to pick more different designers when possible ;-;

[calm nimbus]

Will there be the thing where 1 new feature of the update is revealed every day like in previous updates?

[cursive brook]

Is now :)

[dusky perch]

Guess what is 1?

[frigid ermine]

New role perks?

Role card

Perks

1. New role card perks
2. Team talisman
3. Clan update
4. New roles (ig)

[tranquil comet]

4 is hidden roles crazy mode (its meh)
1 is the Team talismans I think
3 is Clan Updates obviously
2 is the one I’m most unsure of, it doesn’t give a clue on new roles

[tropic blade]

me when i get sk

[daring gust]

A collection with your design style would be a nice change 👀 moreee hot stuff that bp skin is 🔥

[feral saffron]

1. team talismen
2. new game mode
3. clan updates like pinned messages etc.
4. new roles

[feral saffron]

there's Y2K it just dropped. Should check it out, its good.

no, 1 is talismen. I will die on this hill.

I don't see it

[spark hatch]

1 is connected to role cards, cant be talismans

[feral saffron]

yes, talismen for the roles you want. solved it.

[spark hatch]

Maybe new perks idk

[daring gust]

The one with the butterfly top right? No wonder i liked it

[feral saffron]

yh, that one

[solar ravine]

How 4 is new role

[visual bone]

4 is a new gamemode

[solar ravine]

What gamemode

[visual bone]

idk

i think its a gamemode atleast

isnt a role ability so should be a gamemode

[solar ravine]

50 players mode

All gamemode is meh

[calm nimbus]

Judge and locksmith are the new roles?

[solar ravine]

I hope its judge n cww

(cww is boring)

[empty tree]

judge > locksmith

[solar ravine]

Nah but cww n toxic ww is a good combo

[calm nimbus]

Cww op

Can someone do a recap of all that we know

[vague heath]

I think 1 are new roles

[coarse fiber]

Idk why but when i look at number 2 it looks like a bar that can charges when win maybe for example like a win streak
1 win = non extra xp
2 wins = 15 xp?
And 3 or more wins = 30 xp?
(sorry if my english is not very well)

[steady quiver]

Exactly talismans premium

What if 2 is hh changing into evil instead of village

[coarse fiber]

Mmm interesting 🤔

[steady quiver]

This is what about 2

Ohhh

I hope judge is new role

[regal nova]

Oh noor

[regal nova]

Hope not

It's too provable tbh

[steady quiver]

And my golden mm will be no use because judge is better 😐

[visual bone]

bruh

jesus christ thats such a level of greediness

those are stuff that have been asked for so long

and theyre gonna sell it for like 2000 gems

[marble remnant]

team talismans shouldnt exist at all
trading talismans for other ones would be nice

not worth as a package deal like this though

[steady quiver]

sadly it's real

That icon appears when you give this package to someone

may be the option 1 will be:

[visual bone]

ewgh

wov devs try not to capitalize on qol changes challenges

[steady quiver]

The option 3 will be:

[marble remnant]

team talis are vague delusions, they are far from qol

[steady quiver]

Of course now talismans gonna even be more stupid

[empty tree]

why did they do this...

poor grinders

[coarse sedge]

Anyone know what is 4 about ?

[visual bone]

if i'd have to guess it'd be a new gamemode

[next cedar]

I hope it’s a traitor style gamemode

And that they’ll use it to finally put the missing crazy modes in #dev-vote

Ah wait I think it’s just kill animations

:/

Unless 1 also includes kill animations with the role stuff

[regal nova]

'Poor'? 🤨

[empty tree]

well they tried to get good perks

[regal nova]

Honestly IDM making perks bad to mitigate farming

That's the reason I made the talisman XP perk on consumption

[empty tree]

hm alr

[regal nova]

Also

#SAVE

Huh

It's not up

[empty tree]

lol

[torpid sparrow]

4 is prob a new crazy gamemode similar to assassins conventiın

[next cedar]

I hope it’s a traitor mode, like tt mdoe from TOS, but every member of ww team is the traitor

But I 100% doubt that’ll be the case

[short epoch]

hate talisman, time to p2w

[slender socket]

Yay time to waste money

[fleet hawk]

Ugh i just wanna get rid of my forky and talismans 😩 im not spending 1k+ gems for that

[regal nova]

Anyone who does is straight goofy

[fleet hawk]

Also does anyone know what role icons will we get next bp?

[fleet hawk]

The asymmetrical flags i cant

[somber mauve]

love nightmares

[fleet hawk]

Wwfan is now half jelly i guess

[next cedar]

I hate how these icons are really growing on me

I like them more everytime I look at them

[short epoch]

wwhen new event update card for icon role

[empty tree]

flagger is being neko

[next cedar]

Which I hate because of how simple it is

Just two colors and they actually made it good

[toxic mantle]

Black and pink, sweet

[short epoch]

BBlackPink in ur area

[lone spade]

FRR

battle pass theme should have been kill this love or coachella hahaha

[modest mural]

anyone know anything about (3)

[coarse sedge]

Clan stuff I guess u can scroll up to see

[coarse sedge]

.

[untold pelican]

does the magical calender have role icons

[empty tree]

no sadly

[pearl dew]

1 is probably the automatic activate advanced role for ur cards

[dusk hemlock]

theyre new roles

[unique elm]

CONFUSION WOLFFF

[cloud cave]

JUDGEEE

[somber mauve]

omg they're adding confusion wolf

[half citrus]

omg let's throw card into the chamber of sacrificing

[tranquil comet]

W ez

[unique elm]

🥹🥹🥹

Never shaman again!

I’m so happy

[somber mauve]

leeeeeen

[unique elm]

Never trickster again

[somber mauve]

yesss confusion way better

(watch me get trickster when upgrading it)

[empty tree]

lol

[unique elm]

I have trickster rn

Will kick it out

[empty tree]

poor trickster gonna cry in le corner

[somber mauve]

I don't, I'll defo get it when upgrading shaman

[unique elm]

Rip honda

[unique elm]

I dont even have a shaman card

[empty tree]

but im not sure if all players love this new wolf

[unique elm]

Well Imll

I’ll

[empty tree]

cuz prob will see alot of anti-confusion soon

[somber mauve]

I'll get one

[coarse sedge]

I see confusion wolf about to be nerfed

But yea i will def get confu wolf, ability to make some claim space for wolf, count me in

[unique elm]

@steady quiver 👀

You still prefer trickster?

[somber mauve]

👀

[unique elm]

Confusion >>>

[somber mauve]

confusión better

[cloud cave]

trickster will never see the light of day again

[unique elm]

This

[dawn cairn]

yah guess it will only hide ww kills after nerf

[grizzled hearth]

Agree ✊

[kindred coral]

When can we see the new bp?

[tranquil comet]

oh no he’s getting deleted 😭

[deft vault]

Thst wwf and gww one look badass

[grizzled hearth]

Why do you think that?

[tranquil comet]

its just a meme bro

[grizzled hearth]

:/

[deft vault]

Do we know the new roles thst are gonna be added?

[tranquil comet]

you have to say trickster is getting deleted cuz you have to make honda believe he’s gonna die

[deft vault]

I think the role that came back 2 times in sb will be added for sure (i dont remember the role rn)

[grizzled hearth]

Lol, poor Honda

[dawn parcel]

why confusion 💀

I'd rather have Lock smith

[tranquil comet]

locksmith down bad

horrible

[cloud cave]

we alr know whtas going to be added, its judge and confusion ww

i think you're talking about locksmith- it didnt end up getting added 😮

[short epoch]

bc butcher just add

[steady quiver]

What's the base role of confusion wolf?

[short epoch]

shaman

[steady quiver]

I thought it will be nightmare werewolf 🙂

I'm impressed with confusion wolf. It only showed up once in sandbox mode and it arleady become an advanced role

[plain coral]

i have a role hate relationship with these upcoming icons

but the icons

theyre so nice

flagger is the only role on there i like playing but the icons are all so cool

especially gww

[cloud cave]

wwfan looks amazing too

[plain coral]

yessir

aura cupid too

cupid gives off such a voodoo doll vibe

its so awsome

[short epoch]

seer

[cloud cave]

i think thats seer but yeah it still looks great

[plain coral]

oh its seer

thats alright too

even better cuz i like playing ss more than aura so ill get to actually make use of the icon then

[ashen sluice]

Don’t u think it would be fair if it would be reportable when ww claim solo killer? (When it’s not instant win for them)

[plain coral]

depends on the situation probably

[ashen sluice]

I see it so many times that they call solo killer with no sense. If you see it from another side, they also call themselves 😅

[plain coral]

if ur ww and all u need to win is solo lynched its fine to do that

and get solo lynched that way

but i dont see why u would do it otherwise

[ashen sluice]

Yes that’s what I meant

But every round call it without having ww win then

But you can’t report it. It’s not against the rules

[dusky perch]

i maybe forgot something

leaking in leaks channel is not allowed ?

[versed shoal]

@dusky perch dm to me the full thing

[plain coral]

i thought that was all this channel was for

[agile basin]

Hello chat

[agile basin]

Forgot what?

Cyaaaaaaaaan

[plush hollow]

Hello piggy

Cerdoooooh

[plush hollow]

I guess it passed the test phase and showed good stats or something like that

[dusky perch]

i mentioned what is coming next update and what is 1,2,3,4 but my msg got deleted by staff

[cloud cave]

arent you a staff? since you have access to the info?

[dusky perch]

no, i get info by my own

[lyric hare]

Seer apprentice i guess

[dusky perch]

seer

[lyric hare]

Yeah true

Maan i hate seer

[lyric hare]

You think they gonna nerf wolffluencer/confusion? Or buff storm?

[dusky perch]

no

[dusk hemlock]

next level of moderation

[frigid ermine]

Click on your rose

[mortal merlin]

o

[feral saffron]

why no leak allowed? People who don't want revealed whats hiding behind the numbers in vote aren't supposed to be here anyway

[opaque mulch]

WAIT, NO NAGINI?

[feral saffron]

hmmmmm do I upgrade cww and judge or do I save till next role icon event? 🤔
devs are like: never let them know your next move

[feral saffron]

we are all in mourning 😭

I'm wearing black today for nagini

[opaque mulch]

I'm so late but I'm joining 😭

I'm still sad over the lofi girl and the red riding hood, I don't know if I can do this

[feral saffron]

of all my first-world problems, this is at the top of them tbf. Haunts me

Can't sleep at night 😭

[unique elm]

No👀

I also was sad

[agile basin]

They nerfed Salem

[slender socket]

Why? Isn't that allowed here?

[tropic blade]

say it again

[last bramble]

this?

[tropic blade]

this is cringe

so it will become even harder for f2p players to become a villager? fun shit man

[tawny cosmos]

Exactly

[tropic blade]

cringe

well go ahead and kill the game further tbh /shrug

[steady quiver]

I never think of that

It does make sense

[tropic blade]

if you play 16 sb games without talismans, you should become a villager every 10 games

more or less

try the experiment

[odd willow]

Not everyone who uses talismans sticks to village talismans you know

and the game is called wolvesville for a reason

[tropic blade]

most people does, lets be honest

why do you think wolves are brainless 99% of the games

[odd willow]

I can't speak for everyone, but it depends on my mood and what I want to play as
Why not ask the devs? They're the one with data

[tropic blade]

devs had the idea of adding the 1600 gems thing

i really dont like the idea

[tropic blade]

can you elaborate on the ''it depends''?

[odd willow]

Sometimes I use ww/rk/rv talismans, sometimes village
I don't track my own stats if that's what you mean

[tropic blade]

i get ya

still, do the experiment

[agile basin]

I like playing as ww :D

[tropic blade]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-one-in-a-krillion-gif-12148107203104299362

[agile basin]

Is easier to win as villager, but it's more exciting to win as ww

[tropic blade]

and everyone plays as a villager cuz of that

trust me, play 16 games

[agile basin]

Yeah, and I still rather playing as ww

[tropic blade]

alright you are one in a million, that doesnt mean the rest of the damn playerbase doesnt use villager talismans 24/7, thus making it borderline impossible to become a villager unless you use talismans

[agile basin]

That's why I never said "everybody"

[tropic blade]

and thats why im saying that you wanting to play as x means pretty much nothing

[tranquil comet]

@agile basin i need your help, im filling up 25 player row wars

[tropic blade]

though its cool to have someone nice for once

[agile basin]

It's easy to put yourself in the theory, in the worst situation. Right now, if 10 players enable themselves x70 talismans for villager roles, you chances to play as villager will still be low, as a f2p. If this hypotetical offer arrives, which won't be that common since you statednand hypotetical 1600 gems price, it will just produce a little more impact, but it want have such a harmful effect on more cases. Not fan of the offer, but neither a hater

[agile basin]

Hello

[tranquil comet]

im in game rn but ill call when spots open

[tropic blade]

im a hater

[agile basin]

okay

[tropic blade]

iirc its possible to have a 100% chance of becoming a certain role

if it wasnt, now it probs is

[agile basin]

Chances are never 100%, but you can get close to

[tropic blade]

whats the max possible?

you can have 70 boost + 30 boost + 10 boost

where does this leave you?

[agile basin]

If you have x70 talismans and tier 3 (+30%) perk, you can get to something like 87%

[agile basin]

% are not added like real numbers

[tropic blade]

how are they added though?

thats what im asking

[tranquil comet]

ok u can join now

[odd willow]

x/(x + 15)

you can never reach 100%

[agile basin]

Thanks ^ ^

[agile basin]

Sure

[tropic blade]

aight makes sense

still, if everyone uses maxed talismans and you dont

you aint getting vill

[agile basin]

Like it happens right now

[tropic blade]

thus being a bad idea

[agile basin]

It has been a real issue? The chances of everybody having x70 talismans for villager roles are low

The theoric and practice usually diferes

[tropic blade]

play 16 games and tell me how many times you become a villager because for real i never get villager twice in a row

[odd willow]

Assuming the max is 70 + 30 (idk if it will be changed but let's start by that)
That gives 87% chance of getting the role
Assuming 10 out of 16 players have a max villager talisman enabled
That gives a (0.87)^10 = 0.25 chance of them all getting villager
That gives a (1-0.25)/6 chance of getting villager, so 12.5%

And this is with 10 players all going for villager with completely maxed out talismans

[tropic blade]

taking into account it should be a 10/16

[odd willow]

They haven't explained how team talismans work yet, did they?

[tropic blade]

it hasnt been announced yet so id say no

[odd willow]

So we can't assume how it'd work... you're hating before you even know what it is

[tropic blade]

no i dont hate that part

i hate the fact that you ought to pay 1600 gems for x10

[torpid sparrow]

It prob lowers the chance of and if its village team

[odd willow]

Yeah but if I want to do maths on it, I need to know the exact details

[torpid sparrow]

Hmm

[tropic blade]

and how about if they were 15 maxed players instead of 10?

[odd willow]

There'd be talisman overlap, it depends on how you define it

[tropic blade]

so the math would become harder

no big deal just do an approximaton

[dusk hemlock]

still, you will have the lowest chance of being villager

what is theoretically the highest odd of a talisman?

[odd willow]

f(70 + 30) = 87% atm

[tropic blade]

in the next update itll be 88%

[steady quiver]

Waste of gold

[tropic blade]

gold?

[dusk hemlock]

at this moment dev wont release anything purchasable with gold

you want to protect your eye? buy dark mode with gems
you want to have x2 xp? give us a ridiculously high amount of gems
you want to farm wr? buy better talisman with gems

[tropic blade]

fr

[dusky perch]

Apparently its breaks rules

[agile basin]

You can still see ads to get double xp, and get roles with x70?

[tropic blade]

HERE COMES THE MONEYYYY

[tropic blade]

how

[agile basin]

Oh yeah, give everything free

[tropic blade]

not worth it man :/

[dusk hemlock]

the thing is auto double xp still cost ridiculously high and not worth 3100 gems

it comes with an outfit that no one asks

[tropic blade]

it took me a whole year to grind the auto double

[agile basin]

Would some day players understand that not every fetaure isnfor them?

[tropic blade]

why wouldnt i be able to get all feature?

[agile basin]

I see it a fair time

[dusk hemlock]

aint asking for it to be free

[tawny cosmos]

Ads often don't work 🤷‍♀️

[tropic blade]

using three accounts

playing every day

while also getting almost all calendars

NOT EVEN PLAYING WITH THREE ACCOUNTS could i get all calendars

funsies

[dusk hemlock]

nonetheless, selling dark mode is a crime

[tropic blade]

truee

[agile basin]

I save 1000 gems in 3 months, with one account, just doing challenges and battle passes

[dusk hemlock]

and that thing cost 3100 gems

[tropic blade]

and around 1300 in 4 months

[odd willow]

If there are two players have the same talisman, the function becomes f(x,y) = x/(x+y+14)
If there are 15 players with talismans, the easiest scenario to calculate would be 5 players have no overlap, 5 players have an overlap with the remaining 5 players
If we consider x = y = 70+30, f(x,y) = 0.467
Then you have to use a binomial distribution with two different case figures and multiply them with each other... this is becoming annoying

I've created a function that is g(x) = binomPdf(5, 0.87, x) * binomPdf(10, 0.467, 10-x)
Sum of g(x) from 0 to 5 gives 0.196, so there'd be 19.6% which is lower than the previous calculation so I probably messed up somewhere in my calculations

[tropic blade]

yeah thats where i was getting

just dont bother tbh

its low as fuck for what we should be getting

aka pay to become a vill

[dusk hemlock]

i dont get the maths but if the whole lobby equip max talis, they only increase their odd by a little, but you are still the one with lowest odds

[odd willow]

Yeah but the question is by how much

I demonstrated that it's 12.5% if 10 players equip one different talisman each but for 15 it's super annoying to get the proper interpretation of the data

[tropic blade]

lucy i can just think of playing 16 games

i would do it but im banned and i honestly couldnt care less

[odd willow]

I mean idk what gamemode you play, but I usually don't play with a whole lobby that has maxed talismans 👀
It's just hypothetical calculations because I like maths, I don't think it actually matters

[tropic blade]

just play games of sandbox vs games of ranked

in ranked the average should be 10/4/1/1

[agile basin]

Rankeds do not have talismans

[tropic blade]

exactly

[slender socket]

Dark mode?

Wasn't it 200 smth

[fading fern]

hello people, what is the topic of today at specs?

[tropic blade]

nah theyre talking about auto dbl

[slender socket]

Ohh

Good for boosting

[agile basin]

Talismans

[slender socket]

Hypocrisy abt what?

[fading fern]

hello spanish pig!! I was about the say Hypo what?

[slender socket]

💀

[agile basin]

hypostein

[fading fern]

I see

[slender socket]

Hinata 👀

[fading fern]

😊

[dusk hemlock]

Idk that there is a superpower that let you mistype talisman into hypocrisy 😳

[agile basin]

No, that was not a mistype

[fading fern]

it defently was

[dusk hemlock]

i guess it was intentional

[fading fern]

nha

I trust Cerdoh for not making type mistakes

[empty tree]

well im excited for new updates except some-

[quick marsh]

how much does this talisman pack cost

[feral saffron]

i prefer winning with wws over village. It's more fun, but village easier. There should be an incentive for playing ww. I feel like playing as non-village should give more base exp. Even when losing (not fleeing). Cause people playing ww really give up too easy, cause there's not much incentive.

If you consider that a lot of people play village cause its easier to rake in xp, then just maybe add more base xp to ww? It might encourage boosting, but that happens already anyway.

Boosters are also essentially the only people I know who have an extensive collection of 70+ tali cause custom games is wild!

[solar ravine]

I knew it was judge n cww

[fast oar]

Anyone got images of golden and ?

[fleet hawk]

Anyone knows about the new killing animations?

[next cedar]

Get ready for the most mediocre gold icons yet cough cough cough cough ||No I don’t have the images judge is just boring||

[torpid sparrow]

I might goldinify judge if its good

Also holy sheet

The 4th option DOES look like town traitor

Pls be TT 🙏

[tranquil comet]

https://tenor.com/view/town-of-salem-2-prosecutor-tos2-tos-2-town-of-salem-gif-6687083692775139643

[next cedar]

Judge but good

[mortal shore]

im sorry i let u down 😭😔😔

[dusky perch]

scam

45gems weekly x 12 week is 540 + 240 from bp is not 1000

[agile basin]

I just said a number, maybe they were 4 months

[dusky perch]

actully 3 months are 2 bps so 480 yeh that 1000

[dusky perch]

all fine
pro math

[agile basin]

It's okay xD it was also a raged message becausenof the situation

It has been a complicate week in this channel

[plush hollow]

It’s around tho if it’s in 3 months
If we say x1 month is the beginning of the bp and x3 is the beginning of the second bp=2402=480
And the weekly challenge 4512=540
So it’s around 1000 gems 👀

[dusky perch]

u can always buy any offer when u save

[agile basin]

I mean, they are expensive, but this won't mean the end of f2players

[dusky perch]

so in a year you can get the 3100gems offer

[agile basin]

That was my goal

[dusky perch]

💀 in a year i got 1k tokens

[plush hollow]

Lol

[agile basin]

lol

quite a lot of tokens

[dusky perch]

the premium talisman should cost around 3100 too cuz
premium custom and auto x2 xp offers cost 3100gems

[dusky perch]

yeah its half the way !

[plush hollow]

Make sense after all I guess this one can’t be decreased

[agile basin]

I don't know what a premium talisman is, but it sounds like something useful

I mean, worth it for the price

but maybe not too many players would buy it if it costs 3100

[modest mural]

Can I ask why nobody vote for (3) is it known ?

[last bramble]

3 = clan changes. being able to pin messages, pinging a member, adding a comment to your donation etc.

[modest mural]

Omg I thought they 'll add something like clan wars anyways ty

[untold pelican]

does anyone know the 2 and 4

[modest mural]

Idk

But I think 2 about game mode just think

[dawn parcel]

2 is talisman premium for sure

and 4 might be new crazy gamemodes

[untold pelican]

ok thank you

[ivory folio]

sa

ben turkis

fak

[steep hinge]

What????

[agile basin]

You mean the advance roles that will come next update? They have been revealed in #dev-vote

[lost parrot]

New Role Come Next Season

[last bramble]

2 is the new talisman offer

4 is a new game mode where dead players completely disappear

the offer includes an outfit, a feature that unlocks salvaging other talismans to craft talismans for other roles, +10 upgrade to every talisman and antitalismans

I'm not sure but I think that even if you have talisman for x role maxed with gold it can still add 10 odds that come with the offer

since you can't get 100% chance with gold

yes

[next cedar]

x8800 actually, with card perks and team talismans

[grizzled hearth]

Lucky you

[dawn parcel]

@green echo go to inventory and click on your roses to access the rose wheel

[last bramble]

Salem said it but staff deleted the message

[solar ravine]

I smell no role change this update

[last bramble]

if a player dies then they will disappear and u won't know their role

[visual bone]

Called it

[dusky perch]

no

[visual bone]

new gamemode and a pretty boring one at that

[dusky perch]

its like player left lobby

[dusky perch]

yeh its

nothing special

idk why they made it special for whole update

[visual bone]

yeah

today we have: corruptor™ the gamemode!

[dusky perch]

some changes will make clans better to manage

[visual bone]

The CIA

[dusky perch]

[tranquil comet]

i think its a little bit different

like if u die in the new mode

like you just get kicked out of the game

[dusky perch]

i guess
we will have voting for quests and announments for clans

[dusky perch]

yeh

still not special

[tranquil comet]

like dying sends you back to the homepage or something

[dusky perch]

well dont know about that

[tranquil comet]

theres no dead interaction, med/rit/conj wont be able to speak with the dead

because they are already gone

[dusky perch]

yeh

netiher summoner

[torpid sparrow]

So no dead chat?

[dusky perch]

still not sure but maybe no

cuz ur body not there how u can talk

dead chat dont make sense either 💀

idk lol

[charred drift]

i just realised

[dusky perch]

u r nub?

[charred drift]

they made hide roles on death a premium custom gzme thing

[charred drift]

no i know that already

jk youre the nub

[dusky perch]

lol

[lapis adder]

Code ?

[dire solstice]

Code404 👀

[unique elm]

👀

[plush hollow]

it's a good code with good outfit

[dire solstice]

Agreed. That's why I did share it. You're welcome!

[unique elm]

Ikr

[tropic blade]

isnt the no bodies gamemode like a ''hide roles after death'' thing?

[dusky perch]

no

hide body # hide role

[quaint hamlet]

canni eating the bodies

[next cedar]

I’m just curious is the dead player just like kicked out or something?

Or does their slot just become empty

And also I’m assuming no dead chatters

[regal nova]

Oh

Lol

[torpid sparrow]

Also

I hate the font they're using for the texts

Its very difficult to read some letters

[coarse sedge]

Will honor get removed in this update ?
If it does, I would be very happy

[solar ravine]

Ppl misused honor

[wary fern]

[solar ravine]

Update on 3 July right

[halcyon swift]

Yes

Or July the 2nd

[regal nova]

I agree but moving to ranked onky woukd fix that IMO

But this is solely based on the idea that more players in a mode = more guardians

Like

If we ristricted sandbox access to players who are better and/or more cooperative (ex. Honor threshold) moderation for that mode wouldn't really be a need

Moreover

AG + Ranked get revived

I proposed this as 50h per day

That's just getting honored abt 2 or 3 times per day

If you're talkative & help your team enough that's easily acheivable

[feral saffron]

nah man. I don't want any game to have this kind of hold over me. If I'm on a holiday for 2 weeks and I come back to see that I've been kicked out of sb and I need to grind for honor in qg to regain access, I'm deleting the app. After all the money I've poured into the game, this would be a great disservice.

[empty tree]

how can you be kicked out of sb?

[feral saffron]

their suggestion is that there's a certain honor treshold to play sb. If you don't require the honor minimum you're out of sb until you can get enough honor by other means to be let back in

[empty tree]

trust me one thing: qg almost never gives you honors

[feral saffron]

of course not. And on top of that, you'd essentially be grouping all skilled players in sb and leaving gq open to newer players who don't know how to honor properly. It would be messy, to say the least.

[maiden sky]

How to get item like the picture?
Cre: Facebook

[empty tree]

im all ready to press le delete game button

[somber mauve]

what the hell no don't make sandbox needing honor to access it

would be a great mistake

just remove honor

[feral saffron]

lmao yes

[empty tree]

If that happens, sorry devs but im being serious that it will be the worst move

[maiden sky]

I need some help

[feral saffron]

@maiden sky people read speculations back. Once someone with the answer sees, they'll respond.

[maiden sky]

Okay

[empty tree]

hope that wont and will never appear in game

[feral saffron]

devs are aware honors is a failed project that would require humans not to be ||censored||. Big chance it'll be gone next update.

[regal nova]

Disagree

[feral saffron]

The only reason honor worked reasonably well in testing phase is because there was no rewards tied to them. People don't associate these rewards as things they can gain but rather as things they're missing out on, so they will inevitably cheat to get their hands on it. Maybe honor can come as just a number to put on your profile? Otherwise, just delete it.

[steep hinge]

What would be the point of honor then

[regal nova]

Ranked is the only place where people use it properlt tbh

Just make it ranked exclusive & make HT bannable

Seems simple to me

[feral saffron]

None, of course. But sometimes it's hard to let go of things you poured a lot of effort into. It would be a middle ground for both devs and players

[regal nova]

Honor is a pseudo-equivelant of ranked rewards (ex. Gladiators)

Though, it would work best if it was limited to more advanced gamemodes like AG/Ranked

[feral saffron]

ok, that's cool. But you specifically said to put honor limits on sb and that's what I commented on. Ranked honor idm cause I don't play ranked

[regal nova]

Yes but that was less about honor and more about sb

Obviously these things wouldn't happen simultaneously, it'd be one or the other

[feral saffron]

I think sb's just fine. Is it perfect? No, but its miles better than qg where I can't even wear a darked skinned avatar without slurs being hurled at me and me being shot by vigi for racist reasons. Sb can stay, honor can go.

[regal nova]

Disagree tbg

Sandbox kinda suffocates the game

And kinda turns the community into a groupthink

I have not once seen a balance change in #feedback-devs with a blatantly positive ratio; it's always controversial, or a negative ratio

(To my recollection)

[feral saffron]

Lmao, as much as I would love to hear what that's about, cause mind you, I don't agree on initial thought, this isn't really the place to discuss the morality of game modes. I'll leave the convo as is.

[regal nova]

Uh-
Idt morality is the right word but ig u do u king 🤷🏽‍♂️

[fast oar]

Click on the hh achievement

[regal nova]

^

I suggested like
350 honor in the past week

Which a lot of people gave me shit for but

It@s 50 honor a day

That's <4 games for a player who's good/cooperative enough

[plush hollow]

The problem is it will make sandbox empty 🤷🏻‍♂️you can see that with ranked. Just a reminder sandbox is for testing purproses, I think 25 wins is enough for me

[regal nova]

The main caveat

[regal nova]

It's for testing, not supposed to be the main mode

Remove throwers, and people who aren't quite good enough (inversely proportional threshold)

Also fleers

And people who run their mouths when they can't back their shit up 😂

You get the idea tho

The ideal scenario, is that the average SB player would be better, more coperative, more active, or a combination of the 3

Lime

*like

1 honor per game average
-> less than 3 games a day on average

oh

And because it was brought up