speculations

[plush hollow]

If they are not converted no reason to not fake claim
If they are depend:
As villager=> should play for village so say they fake claimed etc..
As ww and solo=>continue to fake claim or stop and let’s their team try to win

[solar ravine]

Its still boring even if you play good, it got nerfed (no win cond anymore) even more garbage

[dusk hemlock]

literally forkman but can change team

[charred drift]

just make lurker have kills

[slender socket]

Wouldn't that be overpowered

[charred drift]

no,cursed can kill

[tranquil comet]

they might just make it so that if the lurker’s attacker dies, then the lurker takes the role of the attacker idk

[grizzled oxide]

Its just a boring role and theres nothing that will makes it better

[inland hare]

🧐

[grizzled oxide]

Only thing that makes it better is removing and never return 🫵

[marble remnant]

I find it a bit more interesting than fool cause you won't just be dead by wws all the time

[charred drift]

lynchable fool 2.0

[grizzled oxide]

They should make a fool but then the guy need to get killed 2 times before he wins, but EVERY way to kill counts

[grizzled oxide]

Then this wont happen

Then its job for the village/wws/sk to work together a little bit and let the guy live the entire game

[marble remnant]

You're free to suggest that

[willow zealot]

So #1069999536937910273 message

[jolly pilot]

Blind WW go brrrrrrrrrrr

[solar ravine]

Ok i just realized Lurker is even more garbage cuz when 2ww vs 1 Lurker unturned vs 2 village ww instant win cuz Lurker dont have win condition unlike fool

[dusk hemlock]

thats... odd

isnt it 2v3 to ww?

[grizzled hearth]

Wait, once we played with 5 players (two wws) and an unturned Lurker, we didn't won yet

[charred drift]

that was before nerf?

[solar ravine]

its 2 villagers 1 Lurker 2 ww

We insta win with unturned Lurker

[dusky perch]

yes its

[frigid ermine]

@dusky perch totally an apology vid of me not spying on seers as sheriff

(idk if you were seer app)

wait this is #speculations 💀

[dusky perch]

nubie sheriff

[frigid ermine]

Oh cmon

[dusky perch]

[calm nimbus]

Does astro get nerfed next update?

[empty tree]

stop nerfing it

[coarse sedge]

Don't nerf but revert it back to nightmare the entire village like it used to be

[calm nimbus]

It has never been nerfed what are you talking about

[calm nimbus]

Thats a nerf and I would be very happy if it happened

[coarse sedge]

Astro was originally like that and I like it until they intentionally buff astro so OP lmao

[empty tree]

wow, you havent experienced it

[calm nimbus]

Ye ik

[calm nimbus]

?

What nerf did it get pls explain

[coarse sedge]

New Moon no longer cancel kitten conversion night and only affect ww I think

[calm nimbus]

Oh I always tought it never cancelled kww, and by ww only you mean it affected solo before too?

Also I dont play sb a lot so almost never play astro (probably like 10 games by whole life)

[coarse sedge]

I mean it used to block solo killers but after the nerf it doesnt anymore

[empty tree]

new moon cant block rk from killing

[coarse sedge]

thats the nerf lol, Did I said something confusing ? 💀

[empty tree]

yea abit

[coarse sedge]

Poor trapper he doesnt have a single role icon except the golden one

[empty tree]

yea

[coarse sedge]

Is it me or I think mortician is weaker than det

[calm nimbus]

It is you

[coarse sedge]

no really morti is weaker than det imo , no info night 1 / slow info, alway find jww first and useless against zombie / sect

[calm nimbus]

Mortician is 100% sure to get a ww in his info, while det is uncertain for the first few phases

Btw sect counters mortician, but shaman and its advanced roles counter det so it's a pretty fair trade.

[dusk hemlock]

finding jr first is kinda a big downside

also mort wont have any info if no kill

[calm nimbus]

Ww or solo kill almost every night

Thats kinda like saying ss is worse than aura because there arent kills every night

[calm nimbus]

I have to agree on that one tho

[coarse sedge]

ss u can choose who to check, but as morti you are locked to find jww first

[dusk hemlock]

no. ss may not have info if no kill but ss aint struggling with unk

[calm nimbus]

And as det you are not confirmed to get ww in your info

[dusk hemlock]

which confirm they are good

[calm nimbus]

Not necessaraly

[dusk hemlock]

how so

[calm nimbus]

They can be both ww or both villagers if checked = but nothing is confirmed until one of them dies or their role is revealed by another informer or themselves

Morti just checks someone that got killed and there you go, you found a ww

(Or at least you find two uncofirmed people one of themmbeing ww)

I'm not really saying morti is better but det has things morti doesnt while morti has things det doesnt

All things considered they are fairly equal in power

[dusk hemlock]

just push them for claim

and kill one of them if they both dont claim

[calm nimbus]

Also, even if jww tags morti, there is most likely a revive role alive and jww wasted his tag on morti while another more important role could be alive. Also 1 ww for 1 villager is always a good trade early, even if that villager is important.

Det can still find junior first and we're also ignoring that jww could be wolffluencer instead and that just makes that argument useless

[rugged panther]

Morti better than det

All det is, is a bunch of fake claims with the chance of a fool

Gimme morti that always has a killer as its info

Often times both red players are evil as well (suspects)

[charred drift]

morti doesnt find jww anymore

[feral saffron]

only sheriff finds weakest ww first

[coarse wolf]

Do we knows which roles will make it into the next update?

Judge & confusion ww are both nice

But lurker not so much

[feral saffron]

they said judge and cww

[coarse wolf]

Oki ty

[feral saffron]

Tho nothing's been officially confirmed. Stuff's probably gonna get posted here the closer we get to the official update

[humble current]

Morti is boring 👍

Sheriff but minus the only fun aspect

[low dagger]

[dusky perch]

what neft its can get ?
new moon only block one ww ?

[graceful violet]

Ig new moon blocks EVERYONE instead of targeting the wolves

like it was before

but then new moon would be almost useless

[dusky perch]

that is useless early game

but its make sense cuz wws appear on full moon while rk dont need full moon

[graceful violet]

yea lol

[calm nimbus]

And no chat message

And bersek bypasses new moon

[obtuse loom]

Astro has been nerfed tho? I thought it doesn’t block rk anymore?

[empty tree]

nuh uh

only one ww = makes chaos for players

just put it back as 1st version

[dusk hemlock]

it would techncally give village an extra day+lynch

not that useless

[dusky perch]

Nuh that useless af

Astro fine as its now

[obtuse loom]

Yeah

Bcz if u nerf it now, it’s just garbage.

[rugged panther]

Astro originally was great

I miss it

Where it could counter wwb as well

[calm nimbus]

It's literally the most op rrv atm wdym by its fine

[dusky perch]

so bcuz its op lets make it useless ?
whats the point of adding roles if after few updates they become trash ?

• nothing can stop frenzy other than astro so its balanced
  as fc+paci can stop shadow lets nerf fc and paci cuz they stop shadow ?
  or lets nerf seer cuz other seers cant see role ?

[dusk hemlock]

technically bh and trapper stop zerk too

but its true that you dont nerf a role because it can counter something

thats outright dumb

[dusky perch]

so what make u think astro should be nerfed ?

jsut cuz op? what is op on it?

doc protected who wws attacking = new moon

nerf doc cant protect who wws attacking then

[dusk hemlock]

i didnt said it though

i dont even care since i dont play sb

[steep hinge]

Salem

[dusky perch]

not really stop its just trap kill ww but u die by frenzy

[steep hinge]

Do you have the solo voting talisman icon

[dusky perch]

i play and recently its rare to find astro in game

[tranquil comet]

guarantees ww can't kill for one night. its just the game rewarding for clicking a button. using as a counter point is funny too, since itself is also a flawed role

[steep hinge]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[steep hinge]

Best wolvesville icon:

💀💀

[dusky perch]

astro cant block kitten

wws still can attack next night and convert player

[dusk hemlock]

dev making everything in game goofy or cutie

cant wait a day when ww killing message get turned into (the werewolves used their cuteness to kill (x)"

[dusky perch]

the fact jww is using their cuteness as the description says

[daring parcel]

cuteness is the key to win every fight ^^

[calm nimbus]

Provable day 1, confirms a save no matter what

Also it's unfair to play against astro as ww. Doc saving someone actually requires skill and ww can somewhat guess who doc will protect and avoid that player. With astro there is literally 0 counter except for kww.

[rugged panther]

Play better then

[calm nimbus]

You are a clown

[rugged panther]

Idek u 💀

New to the server huh

[marble remnant]

it takes skill to acknowledge when a role is seriously not balanced
you;re dissing yourself there

astro is NOT balanced

[dusky perch]

how to make it balanced then ?

[rugged panther]

I don’t think it’s balanced either, it was a joke

I prefer old astro compared to this one

[rugged panther]

That message is the equivalent to me saying “get better” to a person complaining about wwb going through protection

Lots of roles need to be changed a bit, but I’m just enjoying the ride as it goes

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-fine-this-is-fine-im-fine-burning-funny-gif-12189737

[rugged panther]

And by “that message” I am referring to the one you are replying to.

[dusky perch]

make the role trash and useless! that how its will be balanced

[charred drift]

#feedback-devs message

[dusky perch]

its adv of witch if u forgot !
so for sure its will be op role

[agile basin]

That's already ig 👀

[charred drift]

ah yes,make every witch advanced broken

[marble remnant]

plenty of good ideas out there. this isnt the place to discuss them.

[charred drift]

it blocks solo and village with the thing i mentioned,currently it only blocks ww

[agile basin]

Ah oops, didn't read it fully, ignore me

[dusky perch]

thats why there was vote to make witch strong villager instead of regular
witch is strong role can kill and protect at once so how their adv will be weak ? wont make sense

[marble remnant]

Ok, bg was right then

[charred drift]

astro guarantees a protection

[dusky perch]

would be better if they make witch rsv instead

[dusky perch]

vs wws yes

[charred drift]

which is still a vuaranfeed prot

also like

witch protects 1 person

astro protects everuoje

[daring parcel]

there are many different buffs nerfs and reworks in feedback devs though but tbh my feedback with a rework that allows wolves to still kill but not able to talk or check players is the best also blocks killers and village killers abbility to kill in the night where they are blocked and also I think a 1 or 2 time is was it and you have to click on a player to make it work and not just pressing 1 button to make it block wolves from killing 1 night

[agile basin]

Forger cam protect up to two. Imo, astronomer problem (talking about balance, it's quite antifun) is not new moon, but the fact that you self confirm without risks

[marble remnant]

"plenty of goof ideas out there. this isnt the place to discuss them"

[daring parcel]

that's why my feedback for a rework is pretty good but as always astro simps hate it

dk if you read it though

was the one in feedback devs with the block wolves from using chat and info abbility

[sudden urchin]

If astro activates their ability their new moon ability there should be a risk involved. Maybe there could be a chance for wolfs to regain the kill they lost one night.

[daring parcel]

it needs to be changed completely

[sudden urchin]

yeah astro role has potential, its just messy

[humble current]

First test astro was better

Single shooter provable in the day too and still has a handy anti-arso double-vote ability

[sudden urchin]

the first version of astro just blocked all kills right?

[graceful violet]

it blocked everything. no checks, no kills, nothing.

no one could do anything during the night

[daring parcel]

first version of astro blocked everything including kills from village and infos

[sudden urchin]

ehh to me that just slows the game down

[graceful violet]

im not sure but MAYBE only astro could use his ability during that night to kill others

[primal sail]

Fr

[humble current]

Only if dumb astro does it day 1

It was really handy late game

Cuz it's just a free voting phase for village

U needed a brain to use it

Now you need no brain

[sudden urchin]

Right, I agree there is great value to the village in the older version of astro. There's just a few things I dislike. The first thing is that it completely removes non-villagers from their chance of progressing (including rk). The only way most evils progress in the game is though night kills. The other thing is that this ability is unavoidable. its not like doc in which you can potentially avoid their protection. Astro has little to do with skill. It's an unavoidable protection. And personally it takes away the fun when you have to wait 50 seconds in the night for nothing to happen

[solar ravine]

Why everyone arguing on astro

We need to nerf Baker

[sudden urchin]

haha fr

[calm nimbus]

Wouldnt be bad. Make it so it cant give bread n1 and prove himself just like other roles.

[humble current]

Are you referring to oldest astro here?

[sudden urchin]

yes old astro

[humble current]

It blocked checks too though

It basically nightmared every player

[sudden urchin]

and info roles wow

[humble current]

Yeah that's the point

Nobody progresses, except a village that can use the second voting phase properly

Or free night for analyst

Or lynch arsonist 50/50 in case they fail

Because you know, arsonist might just need that specific night

[sudden urchin]

did it just skip the night entirely?

[humble current]

No

Because some things like bomber's stuff can set off

also all these situations have occurred to me multiple times with astro

it was a decent trade for its advantages over witch

You receive the benefits above + instant proof of role in daytime, you lose protection and might kill yourself

[sudden urchin]

yeah doesn't sound bad but id like to see it in action

[humble current]

Imo it was a perfect role back then

nobody complained that much until suddenly 💀

[sudden urchin]

what was the reason for the initial change do you know?

[calm nimbus]

Not perfect but was tolerable. I'd still remove chat message stating new moon is activated to discourage using it day 1 to prove himself and you still have a chance to mislynch astro this way

[humble current]

yeah but they are only a risky bullet role otherwise

so not a huge problem

[dusky perch]

💀 game with fixed astro and 2 astro rrv

[tropic blade]

yea astro was better before

lel

[versed shoal]

As said before, just revert astro to before. But instead of new moon being "everyone does nothing next night", it should be "skip next night"

[dusky perch]

fart ww when!

[lone spade]

This gives me flashbacks

I remember when Astro was new

Everytime we had two astro‘s ingame both activated new moon the Same day at the Same Time and Astro 1 killed Astro 2

Happened so many times, it haunted me

[dusky perch]

hope fart ww come next update

[frigid ermine]

Yasss

[dusky perch]

yes

no joke btw

[fading fern]

What does it do?

👀

[slender socket]

Lmao

Nice name

@low pelican

[quaint hamlet]

if fart wolf gets in game im gonna make him the hottest one

[grizzled hearth]

The Target : You are someone else's target. If you get lynched, the, win.

[charred drift]

😳

[low pelican]

I heard ab this before n I laughed so hard lmao

[tropic blade]

HAHA FART 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tropic blade]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

CPOMEDY PEAK

FART

[edgy snow]

fr

[tropic blade]

BUTT

PEE

KHHBFs<fdnbsekfjlneafl

[edgy snow]

🤡

[tropic blade]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

[edgy snow]

XD

[dusky perch]

after playing sandbox for while as seer app
i got info:

• many people dont know what is seer app.
• many people dont know how seer app work after last rework
  we need more setup with fixed bg so people can use seer app more

[torpid sparrow]

can stop frenzy too (tho he sacrifices himself)

[dusky perch]

how lucky can u be to trap seer in first night

[torpid sparrow]

Well i happend to trap seer couple of times as bh on n1

[dusky perch]

still rare

[torpid sparrow]

I just trap number4, works 90% of the time

[dusky perch]

how cursed and wwf is equal?

cursed village and wwf is wolf

no cursed is always village
they turn to wolf when get bite otherwise will stay villager

and u comparing adv with base role? ofc adv will be stronger otherwise its wont be adv

[charred drift]

Advanced is stronger when thought out

Astro doesnt require brain

Hehe moon go brr

Omg you play so well honored

No,you can't say that

You honor traded

[humble current]

I just shadowboxed hearing this

[plush hollow]

It’s their opinion after all 👀you can’t force someone

[charred drift]

They didnt force

[plush hollow]

"Stop being" is not what i would definite as not forced

[solar ravine]

Nerf baker

[small elbow]

Make some breads r unhealty, can kill who u give breads but its uncontrollable. u can give a vote counts or caused to die

The name who has "ILoveThrowing" plays with x999 vote

[tranquil comet]

:bread :apocalypse

[marble remnant]

the game doesnt accept random components like that

[dusk hemlock]

The point of advanced role is "more complicated, harder to play as", not necessarily stronger

[marble remnant]

Ppl trust you as info source Salem, it'd be cool if you wouldn't create misinformations or misunderstandings
the idea that adv should be stronger roles, is really bad for the game balance and encourages grind/pay-to-play.

[calm nimbus]

Bersek stronger than shadow, sorcerer and blind ww a bit stronger than ww seer, morti stronger than det

imo baker and preacher are worse than mayor but they're more fun to play

[dusk hemlock]

its kinda situational and depend heavily on the player

sorc in a hand of potatoes is nothing but a plant

ww are technically blind

[calm nimbus]

Used correctly I'd rather have sorcerer than ww seer on my team

Nah, det weaker

Morti is just like sheriff but does require guessing someone's death

There is almost always a kill

?

[dusk hemlock]

"used correctly"

thats the exact point

on lower level ws is stronger, while only good player can make sorc strong

[solar ravine]

Berserk stronger than shadow???

[fair totem]

Shadow possibly kills one player.
Depending, beserk can kill multiple protections and the player you want to kill.
Beserk also makes protector roles less likely to protect in general

[steep hinge]

Advanced roles are sometimes 'very strong, with a deep consequence ig'

[humble current]

Shadow is better in my opinion

[coarse sedge]

But some has no drawback / disadvantage
Ex: Trapper clearly a better version of bh

[humble current]

Berserk only guarantees a kill on an important non-immune role, which is still net zero, maybe kills a few protectors with it

Shadow with sufficient wolves guarantees saving a wolf, killing any important role in daytime regardless of their alignment, and still having the ability to kill at the night after

Both have hard counters and

can be avoided with

[signal crystal]

Any news about the new roles for the next update?

[charred drift]

Judge and Fart wolf are coming,anti talismans and talisman creations are coming

[signal crystal]

fart wolf

[charred drift]

so what may come next update
? -> means that is not sure

game changes:

• able to click on (play as x) challenges to equip talismans for that role faster
• Automatically select advanced role option
• able to send msg to player without adding them or after sending request you can add msg for them
• able to gift (premium custom games, monthly cards offer)
• accomplice able to see new accomplice?
• new roles : judge and fart wolf
• new kill animation for many roles

clan changes:

• announcements (clan leader and co leaders will be able to post announcements and all members get notification )
• flair (clan leader and co leaders can add comment? on clan members only visible to clan leader and co leaders)
• chat mention ( able to mention clan members in chat with @)
• pin message ( pin msg in clan chat)
• filter for clan quests ( show gems quests only , show unfinished quests , ect....)
• add comment to your donation

talismans changes:
premium talismans offer includes the following:

• Anti-talismans decrease the probability to get role x (will be consumed when you dont get the role)
• team talismans ( increase probability to get role of team x)
• talisman crafting ( combine unused talismans to get talisman you want

(taken from salem)

[signal crystal]

okok thank u

[charred drift]

np

[signal crystal]

fart wolf

what is that?

[quaint hamlet]

the best role

[signal crystal]

i ve been trolled????

[charred drift]

once per game you concuss someone like bully

and once per game you learn the role of every person that interacted with who ww killed

[lofty garden]

No leaks about icons of the next patch ?

[lofty garden]

Ty

[plush hollow]

Indeed it’s a troll was never tested it and don’t think would be good as name tho

All roles before to be advanced are tested before to be released officially

[coarse sedge]

I mean who would believe fart wolf ?

[charred drift]

😐

[empty tree]

judge get tested again?!

[dusky perch]

so what may come next update
? -> means that is not sure

game changes:

• able to click on (play as x) challenges to equip talismans for that role faster
• Automatically select advanced role option
• able to send msg to player without adding them or after sending request you can add msg for them
• able to gift (premium custom games, monthly cards offer)
• accomplice able to see new accomplice?
• new roles : judge and locksmith?
• new kill animation for many roles

clan changes:

• announcements (clan leader and co leaders will be able to post announcements and all members get notification )
• flair (clan leader and co leaders can add comment? on clan members only visible to clan leader and co leaders)
• chat mention ( able to mention clan members in chat with @)
• pin message ( pin msg in clan chat)
• filter for clan quests ( show gems quests only , show unfinished quests , ect....)
• add comment to your donation
• add vote system for quests

talismans changes:
premium talismans offer includes the following:

• Anti-talismans decrease the probability to get role x (will be consumed when you dont get the role)
• team talismans ( increase probability to get role of team x)
• talisman crafting ( combine unused talismans to get talisman you want

[tranquil comet]

any role changes in particular?

[dusky perch]

nothing yet about roles

[torpid sparrow]

Buff to flag to see what kind of attack they redirecred (ww, corr, sk, etc...)

[celest flume]

what wolf is this

[charred drift]

fart wolf

[charred drift]

no need

[plush hollow]

Hmm premium talismans will be like xp boost or i would be like an offer?

[dusky perch]

xp boost

[dusk hemlock]

I bet they gonna make an extra skin with it

[plush hollow]

Oki thanks Salem !

[dusk hemlock]

To rise up the price unreasonably

[plush hollow]

Not really you can see through xp boost

[solar ravine]

Upcoming role changes : insti nerf

[dusk hemlock]

Its temporary though

[dusky perch]

why u think fart wolf is joke @celest flume

[celest flume]

im not taking it as a joke it's just funny

[charred drift]

its coming with judge

[celest flume]

i miss judge, better than lurker

[dusk hemlock]

x2 xp, premium custom game, and even dark mode (selling dark mode is a crime) all cost stupidly high just because they have a skin with the bundle

[solar ravine]

I hope its judge with

Confusion ww

I think per update
1 village + nonvillage

[dusky perch]

could be

[charred drift]

judge + fart wolf

[coarse wolf]

If it’s lurker i riot

[solar ravine]

Im predicting :

• Bully buff
• insti nerf
• gambler nerf
• ritualist buff
• President rework
• storm ww rework
• fortune teller rework

• Maybe Astro
• Butcher nerf

[steady quiver]

Wishing all of these are true, honestly

Hoping all of them are coming soon

[solar ravine]

u want insti nerf?

[steady quiver]

Somewhat, yeah

I mean, I kinda understand now that the role itself is unbalanced and overpowered so an adjustment would be nice

[solar ravine]

Especially when bandit + cupid setup

Just how its possible for village to find all betrayers

[steady quiver]

Who thought it was a good idea to put Bandit in a Cupid set up

[dusk hemlock]

As a role replacing cupid (which replace a villager atm), it is unbalanced as heck

[solar ravine]

Dev :

[steady quiver]

Villager's hell

[solar ravine]

Possible nerf is probably

• insti
• gambler
• wolffluencer

But wolffluencer is balanced imo

[steady quiver]

Wolffluencer good enough wdym

[charred drift]

wolffluencer advanced when

[flat blade]

Fart ww when

[quaint hamlet]

If fart wolf gets in game, I will make a costume from scratch of fart wolf.

[flat blade]

Okay now yall gotta srsly add it

[charred drift]

w-what if it doesn't...

[quaint hamlet]

THEN NO COSTUME

[flat blade]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[quaint hamlet]

FART WW GOTTA GET IN WHAUSIOFLGR9S9DF0VV

[charred drift]

😰

[flat blade]

Add fart ww, rework storm and buff bully

Based

[opaque mulch]

what does fart wolf even do

[agile basin]

Auu

[edgy snow]

what his name implies

[opaque mulch]

that's it?

[humble current]

!snipe

[flat blade]

The hell is ghost town?

@tranquil comet Elaborate

[tranquil comet]

dead people can vote during the voting phase as well

and some minigames

[flat blade]

Scrap the first

Second sounds good

[quaint hamlet]

fart wolf strongest

[calm nimbus]

You got me with blind ww but you seriously telling me shadow max potential is stronger than bersek? And who cares if morti cant check day 1, he can check the other days and his ability is stronger than det's

Also yes sorcerer is better

[calm nimbus]

Bully and ritu dont need buffs. And tbh I cant think of a buff that wouldn't make ritu overpowered. It's currently a very good role (in terms of design) so I hope they dont ruin it.

Ok

Wait

[prime sequoia]

shadow also kills rk

[sudden merlin]

Well shadow relies on teamwork of all wolves, while bww sometimes doesn't work because vill is smart enough to know not to protect until they're gone so it doesn't usually kill that many people but you have the possibility of killing more with bww than shadow

[calm nimbus]

Still, shadow max potential is just cancelling a voting phase and maybe killing someone. Bersek max potential is killing a protector or even more if lucky enough

[prime sequoia]

berserk potential is a confirmed kill and MAYBE more kills

but it requires vill to be inept

[calm nimbus]

We talking about max potential. Sometimes shadow doesnt manage to lynch someone and sometimes bersek ww doesnt manage to kill a protector. That's also ignoring the fact that protectors might be scared to protect important roles if they know bersek ig, and important might reveal themselves later to avoid bersek

[prime sequoia]

berserk has best max potential because it can kill all protectors, but thats a dumb argument that will never occur in a game of competent players

[red widget]

I agree with pingable bodyguard berserk ww i one of my fave roles to play lol

Anyways no one cares bye 😂

[calm nimbus]

You have the easiest time faking a role out of any evil roles. Sure you can only reveal two players but the fact that you appear as an informer to everyone is a very big advantage over anything else wolf seer has. If ww are smart they will know who to kill when sorcerer doesnt reveal anyone.

[calm nimbus]

The game I showed with the 5 kills was ranked btw (in 2021 when it wasnt infested with throwers). But tbf bersek was random ww.

Still tho bersek is better than shadow almost all of the times

Not mentionning the fact that shadow becomes a lot harder to use with fc ig or no alpha ww

But bersek you can use it any time and it will always be a good ww to have in your team

[prime sequoia]

berserk is safer, shadow has the most likely best potential outcome

shadow better late game, berserk easily better early game

[feral saffron]

it's situation-based and very much dependent on how inept/skilled your co-players are. But no way is MAX potential for shadow stronger than wwb when wwb's max potential is confirmed kill + protector roles. That's literally what max potential implies. That just outnumbers any possible kills shadow could get.

Plus shadow usually happens after confirmed ww info, wwb could happen when no ww have been outed and it takes out info role instantly.

[dusky perch]

bully is balanced tho

i have good idea

fart wolf is toxic now

its should be adv of shadow

devs getting everything to be ready while they are afk next month i see

finally we will have rk testing role

[agile basin]

toxic, like our love

[violet bramble]

Huhu

[torpid sparrow]

Bruh please use #1048395200738906163, im tired of this shadow vs berserk discussion

(Tho shadow is objectively better as its more versitile)

[plush hollow]

You can report it in discord problems if you think they break rules tho

[vocal imp]

🤨 tos2 moment

Will storm wolf finally get the rework it deserves 🤔

[dusky perch]

idk if i should leak them now or wait next update at least cuz those roles testing for next update

devs will go afk for while so they make things ready before that

[agile basin]

I am fan of releasing content slowly

It's better to enter each week with something new than enter one day and forget about the game for 1 month and a half

[dusky perch]

me too

[agile basin]

But I am beating around the bush, do whatever you want xD

[dusky perch]

im just happy next testing role is rk

[agile basin]

Long time without one, they deserve more love

let's speculate they are having more love

Yes, rose kid

(rk)

(just kidding)

[dusky perch]

maybe arson

[agile basin]

I just realised that /jk stands for Just Kidding, and not for JoKing

Roles are not usually related with the bp theme. I don't see lurker in a fairy tale

[dusky perch]

idk

its kinda op rk

💀 3 players vs 1 killer = tie

its looks like arson but who have gasoline will die if u got killed

im still confused too

to not risk yes

sure adv or arson

[tranquil comet]

did u join one of my replica row wars yet?

I just swindled two teams and a whole dead chat into thinking I was Death, to save my teammate who was real Death

[vocal imp]

Not yet

[obtuse loom]

Bro lol

That’s so funny

[obtuse loom]

This was all any right?

[solar ravine]

Sww saves life + kill someone

If u get found all u gotta do as bww is nothing

[lusty gull]

Is there something about a canni nerf? (was not able to kill in night 1)

[lone spade]

it‘s a bug.

[calm nimbus]

Nah

[calm nimbus]

If you dont wanna leak here cab you leak in dms pls?

[calm nimbus]

How do you even find these roles lol

[solar ravine]

What 💀

[feral saffron]

shadow pushes lynching back by a day if sucessful, wwb's info kill means higher chance no info about wws gets out, also pushing back ww lynching until info can get revved by med. This is not its strongest point, but there's room for possibility.

and even if you successfully lynch seer as shadow you still have to combat against a doctor who's going to protect remaining strong roles at shadow's max potential. At wwb's max potential you can pick off aura or gunner or whomever next if you like.

[solar ravine]

#1048395200738906163

Also im saying both are equal not guaranteed extra kills

[tranquil comet]

Yes, but it was a custom I made. I used All Any + Ghost Town and I used Row War rules but for 15 people so 3 teams of 15 3x5, aka 5v5v5

[torpid sparrow]

so just like wolffu?

[feral saffron]

we were comparing max potential of both, so it has to be with guaranteed extra kills. That's what max potential for wwb means, but yh I'm over the discussion. Won't respond anymore unless brought back to idk speculated shadow buff

[solar ravine]

Shadow is balanced

Unless you want to make ww vote during shadow x3

[torpid sparrow]

@dusky perch 4 WAS SEER AND I CHOSE FLAGGER CUZ OF A STUPID QUEST AND THEY OFC GOT RAMPAGED 😭 😭 😭 😭

[dusky perch]

ofc berserk in any game is op
and when no med in game rip

[dusky perch]

no but like sect ( u cant see rk)

i will leak fart ww wait

fart wolf >>>

flo watching this be like: 🤦‍♂️

@calm nimbus@steady quiver ^

fart will come in sandbox for testing in 2.18 and hope come in game 2.19

@charred drift@low dagger no donkey wolf

fart ww more important

[charred drift]

@slate hull is fart wolf coming to test in 2.18?

[charred drift]

also fart ww rework???

[steady quiver]

That’s literally berserk but worse

[charred drift]

it's twice tho

+it has 2 uses
-it doesn't kill protectors

[dusky perch]

its better

[charred drift]

advanced of?

[dusky perch]

should be shadow

[steady quiver]

Probably shadow then

[charred drift]

tbf I like the nww rcc more

[agile basin]

Lol

[solar ravine]

The grammar is already wrong lol

[charred drift]

it isnt

[steady quiver]

Grammar is right, but poor choice of words

[steady quiver]

Finally

[slender socket]

Ofcourse it's not free

@low pelican @steady quiver

[agile basin]

he, outfit is cool

[steady quiver]

Lol

[half citrus]

it was more expensive than i thought lol

[slender socket]

It's wolvesville bro 🤣

[dusky perch]

bro you very late

[half citrus]

yeah
just suffering like honors and easter role icons 💀

well it managed to log out of the existence next season tho

[steady quiver]

Hmm ok .-. I just show how this offer appears

[whole bolt]

Oh yes i will definitely pay 1600 gems to upgrade my talisman 10x odd more

[humble current]

I hate this

[dusk hemlock]

of course it comes as a skin offer

predictable

[agile basin]

Like any other premium offer 👀

[dusky perch]

oh i see
its been there for days now maybe cuz now the outfit got added u made it !

[dusky perch]

its p2w

[agile basin]

What do you speculate the price in gems would be, btw?

[dusky perch]

still not added yet

[agile basin]

Ah, hope it's not 3100 like the others

1750 seems a fair price

[dusky perch]

i will pay even 6k to be seer app all games

💕

[agile basin]

Lmao

I don't like the idea of being able to have:

• x100 changes of X role
• Antitalismans for any other role in set up
• Team X talisman

All at once

I mean, people who don't buy the offer will play purely as ww

[torpid sparrow]

how much does it cost

[agile basin]

Lol

[dusky perch]

ikr

[agile basin]

My favourite role is conjuror, and I have 20 talismans with a x25

[agile basin]

I would buy the offer and put ww team talismans, but I'm probably a special case

[torpid sparrow]

Mine is flagger, altough i have 6k coins, i only upgraded it to 15x

Also why have 20 talismans?

I have played 50+ games with one talisman i had thanks to tier3 inf talismans

[agile basin]

I have unlimited talisman perk, so they last enough for now

I have tier 2

Couldn't waitnand sacrify all my cards

Blame these guys

[viral cipher]

Ehh dont mind me

[agile basin]

Btw, I only got bomber and cupid

[agile basin]

👀

[torpid sparrow]

I have all except and

[dapper iris]

so we will have x110 talisman if buy the premium talisman pack

[steady quiver]

just p2p not p2w 😄

[dusky perch]

auh yes more like that

p2p as role x

[edgy snow]

Could there be an offer finally for players who don't spend money on the game?

[next cedar]

Look I’m mad at this because its just adding another step to absolutely maxing out my ghost lady talisman strength

[agile basin]

I mean, saving gems you can buy all those offers

[dusky perch]

save ur gems

[agile basin]

that's an issue

[next cedar]

Save gems for years you mean

[agile basin]

I mean, of course those offers are most likely to be got with real money

One year

If you play actively you could buy one 3100 gems offer every year

not a bad trade

[dusky perch]

lol

[calm nimbus]

Game has been p2w since role cards were added

[edgy snow]

fr

[dusky perch]

and they blamed covid

[calm nimbus]

Why do you think they're not nerfing the op advanced roles lol

[edgy snow]

I've been waiting for a month for a wolf seer card

🤡

[calm nimbus]

Cause people will buy gems to get these roles

[agile basin]

.-.

[calm nimbus]

That's literally one of the only exceptions

[agile basin]

[calm nimbus]

Astro forger butcher night watchman etc are obviously op and haven't been nerfed

[calm nimbus]

They nerfed voodoo because it was unfair to be muted twice in a row not because it was op

[agile basin]

I mean... one think is that you will progress faster with money, which is an evidence (they need to eat, you know), but blaming devs to unbalance the game in purpose or call the game that you cannot win with money, it's not a fair speech

[calm nimbus]

There's other ways to make money without making the game unbalanced

[next cedar]

Astro has been nerfed lol

[agile basin]

There is no role which have a money barrier to get it. If a role is "op" you can unlock them for free by playing a couple of weeks

[calm nimbus]

No it hasnt

If you talking sbout the kww thing that's not a real nerf

The role is still op

[next cedar]

It used to fully roleblock rks and wolves, aka no ww chat and no wolf seer info

[edgy snow]

As I wrote above, I haven't been able to get a wolf seer card for a month

[next cedar]

So just because a nerf hasn’t happened while you were playing doesn’t mean it hasn’t gotten a nerf

[calm nimbus]

There's 49 advanced roles in game, and you need 12 role cards to get one advanced role. If you get 30 role cards/ month (the max), 1 year and 8 months to get everything which is way too much

[feral saffron]

ayooooo same

[calm nimbus]

And that's if you got 30 role cards per month which id basically impossible for a norma person

[agile basin]

Pay to fast, not pay to win

[edgy snow]

lol

[calm nimbus]

(Or you can buy them with gens and get the op roles)

[calm nimbus]

You win faster than the other players

[agile basin]

If a role is "op" you can get it. You don't need to unlock all roles in order to get the "op" role

[calm nimbus]

The role is still op tho and they arent doing anything about it

[calm nimbus]

Most advanced roles are not necessarily op but most are better than their basecounterpart and you can get them easily with gems

[next cedar]

They can’t nerf it without making it useless, however what they should do is revert it back to its first version, which was a roleblock on everyone

[calm nimbus]

That's a nerf

[next cedar]

Not exactly, it’s a stronger ability but actually needs skill, which is what astro needs

[calm nimbus]

Also yes they can.

1. Remove chat message stating new moon has been activated.
2. Role block everyone not just ww kill
3. Cant't use meteor shower when new moon is activated

Now you have a somewhat balanced role which isn't useless

[solar ravine]

This is weaker than witch

[steady quiver]

xd

[tawny cosmos]

I think devs should make "Wolvesville Premium". With this players would can write messages on chat, get xp, add friends etc.

Ofc normal wolvesville would still exist, but with no perks like xp 🤷

[edgy snow]

[next cedar]

Delete this before you give them any ideas

[tawny cosmos]

hahahh

[edgy snow]

they will take it seriously

XD

[charred drift]

it protects all players from ww kill instead of witch who only protects 1,so its balanced this way

[queen flume]

I stfg, if a wov premium comes out and they disable peoples ability to get some without having it. 😒

[low dagger]

Donkey wolf will never be defeated

[torpid sparrow]

._.

Almost all advenced roles gain their strength through losing some

Like for eg. vs &

has infinate protections
has limited protections but can see other protected
has limited protections but can protect multiple people at once

[humble current]

👍
op
op

[torpid sparrow]

Butcher is =< doctor

[humble current]

You suck then

[charred drift]

no lmao

doctors whole carrier is barely gonna be 6

[calm nimbus]

Limited protections doesnt matter when most games end by day 3/4 (if you survive until the end)

Night watchman's ability with 1 protection would still be better than doc imo

Butcher with 4 meats would be perfect balance for me

Night watchman's concept is broken and would need a massive nerf to its main ability to be balanced

[torpid sparrow]

Try doing THIS with or

[torpid sparrow]

completely depends on rrv being a protector, thats its main problen

[charred drift]

one question,why did u keep protecting 7

[calm nimbus]

Bro this is a fake game no one is talking

Oh wait you just cut the parts where you saved

Also this happens like 1/100k games. You cant use this as reference since ww were just stupid and kept attacking 7

[torpid sparrow]

They were

[calm nimbus]

You can't take a super rare game and say "dOc Is BeTtEr ThAn BuTcHeR/nwm" . Ask any good player and they will tell you butcher/nwm are just better

[torpid sparrow]

As i stated before, nwm is a lot setup depended

If they are the only protector, doc is better

If theres a secondary protector. Nwm is

[charred drift]

butcher?

[torpid sparrow]

Butcher is middle

Works in both

But personaly id go doc cuz its less stressfull

[calm nimbus]

Most of the times there is a bh a and witch or a jailer + two rrvs (in sandbox at least) and it's fair to assume that 1 of these rrvs is a protector. That's three protectors + nwm/doc in most setups

[torpid sparrow]

I dont see bh as a protector as theyre selfish most of the times
About the rrvs. Its just a gambke

Gamble*

[calm nimbus]

Nwm sees them as a protector so it counts

[charred drift]

"i dont see vigi as a killing role as theyre dumb"

[calm nimbus]

The fact that you can confirm who is real bh who is real bg etcs is straight up op

[charred drift]

yes

[calm nimbus]

Idk how you can keep defending nwm lol

[charred drift]

i suggested so they can only check 2 people if they have protction on

[calm nimbus]

Yeah I said maybe 1 rrv, it could be 0 it could be 2 protectors

[charred drift]

which keeps the ability but doesnt confirm everyone

[calm nimbus]

Even 2 is op imo

[torpid sparrow]

Nwm is in a very tough spot

[calm nimbus]

No it's not

[torpid sparrow]

Nerfing it would destroy it

[calm nimbus]

It's easy to fix

[charred drift]

its not,considering it has 3 protections can still have ability but cant see everyone

[calm nimbus]

Devs just make more money from having op advanced roles cause people spend their money on gems to get them

[marble remnant]

sad but true

[calm nimbus]

You can still confirm two protectors per night

Which is op

[torpid sparrow]

I have spent 0 dollars on cards but i have all of the roles i want + 5 gold cards

[calm nimbus]

But would be better than its current form

How much hours do you play per week?

Of wov

[torpid sparrow]

12-16hrs/w

[calm nimbus]

Exactly

Most people probably play a lot less than 12/16 hours

[torpid sparrow]

Its a them problem

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[calm nimbus]

And gems are an easy way to get role cards

[torpid sparrow]

I have bought the 30 🕐 card pack twice

[calm nimbus]

Wow so you are saying to play the advanced role you should play 2 hours per day every day of wov?

This convo is getting dumb anyways so I'm leaving

[torpid sparrow]

Well it depends how fast u can complete the daily quests

Sometimes it only takes 2 games
Sometimes it takes 2 hours

[next cedar]

Totally not a scenario that you just edited into existence

[torpid sparrow]

Well its real, i wont try to convince you tho

[steady quiver]

it could be real

but nwm is still broken

it proves all protectors by d1

[grizzled hearth]

Not all protectors, multiple prots can only save at night two or after

Jailer, Beasthunter and their advanced. Well, mostly these as their protection also includes killing, which is why protecting night one for them is not possible

[short orchid]

Does anyone know if dark zodiac is ever gonna be on web?

[plush hollow]

Mostly a bug you can report it in #1052307474654433310

[lone spade]

Cannibal 10/10

[frigid ermine]

OMG

Battlepass icon?!

[dusky perch]

yeh

WW FAN!

[lone spade]

I like the black pink combination tbh

Looks good with each other

[lone spade]

Is the second row right one seer ? Or seer appr ?
Seer right?

[frigid ermine]

Hope it's seer

[lone spade]

Same

I don’t play seer appr

[frigid ermine]

Kinda want a icon for seer

[frigid ermine]

Sammeee lol

[dusky perch]

seer

[frigid ermine]

yay

[lone spade]

I think I will use it tbh if it really makes it ingame

[frigid ermine]

Tbh whatever @dusky perch posts I'll believe it

🤯

[dusky perch]

seer app has smaller circle or idk name of that in middle line around around

[dusky perch]

[lone spade]

Only thing I dislike is the constant use of hearts xD e.g. with bully, looks cool but the heart kinda idk bites it, same with gww

Not sure if wwf and Flagge are hit or miss

[frigid ermine]

Kinda nice it's like equal of adv/base icon

4 adv role's icon and 4 base role's icon

[agile basin]

UFFFFFFFF

Well, to be honest, wwf carry it a bit

[dusky perch]

wwf carry everything

why wwf has small emoji

[half nacelle]

[dusky perch]

this icon remind me of meme kid

[pastel pecan]

Wwfan, canni and flagger are >>> the rest is oke

[fringe shard]

Flagger again

[pastel pecan]

WhattxD I find her pretty

In black and pink

[lone spade]

not sure if it’s the cat theme or the hair that bothers me

it doesnt look like an elegant cat more like a dc kitten 😭

[dusky perch]

its only 3 icons
bb has 4 already

[viral cipher]

when

[dusky perch]

agree

[pastel pecan]

I like cat ears thoxD

[pastel pecan]

I agree as well, I'm wondering how it could be

[lone spade]

I usually do too 😭

[pastel pecan]

And the black pink theme>>

[fringe shard]

I mean ýe the icon is 🤌 but just dropped

there isn’t enough time for me to enjoy the old icon before the new one drops

[tranquil comet]

W ICONS

[pastel pecan]

Ohhh makes sense

[pastel pecan]

I still don't have the flagger icon and I have to be very lucky to have it cz I can just get one more epic card

But I'm alr happi with conjuror and bomber

[lusty gull]

@dusky perch
Do you know what will happen with honor?

[short orchid]

Why is it so pink

[torpid sparrow]

Ok now, these are some cool ass icons

[willow zealot]

I know #dev-vote message isn't everything but it certainly shows what everyone wants to happen

[visual bone]

Damn the role icons are good

[lusty gull]

yeah ik because of that I asked him

[torpid sparrow]

Only if it was cursed over lurker

[agile basin]

Actually, judge is not lynch 👀

Fool does not win when convicted, and if they didn't changed it, judge was able to turn lurker into village

Sorry I answer a message from a month ago lmao, I got pingued about it xD

but well, to everybody to know :P

[lusty gull]

Are you stalking Salem👀😂😂

[solar ravine]

All of them looks cool but damn this fits valentine icon more and flagger is catwoman lmao

[tropic blade]

i hate love >

[agile basin]

I was pingued, blame other person 🥹

[lusty gull]

good excuse✨️😂

[humble imp]

sooooo pretty

[next cedar]

Tbh I don’t think it’s that good but better than dark magic so

[charred drift]

cannibal icon finally?!?!?!

[feral saffron]

I was soooo hoping for jww 😭

But these icons look 🔥

Not the biggest fan of pride icons. Some of them look really sloppy. Besides, upgrade cards role icons are exclusive, so bp flagger is ok.

[charred drift]

Wwfan : 5/10
Bully : 7/10
nww : 10/10
cupid : 6/10
aura : 6,5/10??
flagger : 3/10
canni : 4/10 i dont like the skull
gww : 8/10

[frigid ermine]

(that's seer btw)

[charred drift]

what.

thats even worse

atleast u dont see aura that much with gambler and ss

[dusky perch]

aura already have icon

[frigid ermine]

Aura got the bloody mary icon

[fluid nebula]

LMAO

[frigid ermine]

Which I didn't got it cuz school 😭

[charred drift]

thats not good either

[frigid ermine]

Y flagger 3

[charred drift]

it looks bad

[frigid ermine]

Man

It's literally "black pink in your area" 💀💀💀

[dusky perch]

[charred drift]

fart wolf??

[frigid ermine]

Yasss

Why is it named to toxic wolf

[charred drift]

bro did it get renamed and reworked 😐

[frigid ermine]

😭

[dusky perch]

idc as long as we get ww fan icon

[frigid ermine]

I'll be bad as sheriff again

[charred drift]

why did the devs rename + rework

[dusky perch]

fart wolf is joke
toxic wolf is real

[frigid ermine]

[charred drift]

its not a joke tho??

[frigid ermine]

but the icon is icon 🤯

[dusky perch]

i replaced toxic wolf icon with fart wolf xD

[frigid ermine]

It didn't changed ✨

[charred drift]

that icon doesnt look realistic

[frigid ermine]

Srsly 💀

[dusky perch]

[frigid ermine]

||I TRIED MY BEST ANYWAYS 🤯||

[charred drift]

@dusky perch why do it

fart wolf was good for that icon

but toxic wolf

X

[dusky perch]

what is the strongest rk ?
killer not sect or zombie

[frigid ermine]

Sk

Wait no

[dusky perch]

who can win vs X villagers

[frigid ermine]

Assassin

[frigid ermine]

Omg new rk role

[charred drift]

assasin has %100 chance of winning

[frigid ermine]

Sneak peak

[dusky perch]

alchemist maybe? cuz can win vs 3 villagers ?

[charred drift]

alch id say

1,5 kill per night is a lot

[dusky perch]

yeh i guess too

[frigid ermine]

If a alchemist gives you a red potion! Remember that you're gonna die anyways

[charred drift]

sk : 1 kpn
canni : 1 kpn
ed : 0/2 kpn but 2 isnt valuable since it kills who ed needs
arso : 1 kpn but delayed
bomber : 1,5 kpn but very weak
alch : 1,5 kpn really effective

corr : 1 kpn but late
illu : 1 kpn but late

[dusky perch]

the next testing role one will be rk and god damn its OP
u can select 3 ppl if u got killed next day they die with u

[charred drift]

bandit : 1 kpn

What

Thats not op

you die

👀

youre lying arent you

[latent locust]

jww but rk

[dusky perch]

no u can kill them next night

but if u got killed before they die with u

[latent locust]

i see, that seems op

[charred drift]

arso?

no thats just buffed bomber

thats LITERALLY buffed bomber

[dusky perch]

more like bomber

mix between bomber and arson

u select 3 but only kill 2

[charred drift]

not arso at all

oh

name?

and how do u kill

[dusky perch]

salem

[charred drift]

tbf i dont like that idea

make a goddayum corruptor advanced

[dusky perch]

siren

[dusky perch]

ikr

idea of u can control their role and then they die at end of day is cool

[charred drift]

just

say the name

or icon

@dusky perch domt leave me on a cliffhanger

[lusty gull]

Do you know whether devs will remove honor or not?

[charred drift]

they wont

[tropic blade]

f

[next cedar]

#wov-chat message I made this, its a bit of a slow killer and I haven’t put it in #1063482890480005130 yet but I feel like it can work

[charred drift]

nerf it somehow and make it unkillable by ww

[next cedar]

Tbh I thought I typed can’t (cause yk the connection to sl makes it confusing)

[charred drift]

then thats way too op

[next cedar]

I just deleted the extra altogether, and it has a decent weakness, it takes so much time to kill compared to every rk besides zb but it’s a converter so it doesn’t count

Also you just said “take away one if it’s weaknesses” and when I did you went “too op”, this is real proof that this playerbase will never be satisfied with the devs even when the change is their idea

[charred drift]

umm,ok 💀

i said nerf it and make it unkillable by ww

[tranquil comet]

this is a fabrication!!

[charred drift]

also just re-read and it may be seen like i dont like your real icon fanmade version,that fanmade version of the role icon fits better for fart wolf

[next cedar]

Yeah make a role already complex more complex than it already is to satisfy you

[dusky perch]

i said siren

[tranquil comet]

IT WAS IN #rt-roles-2022

[tranquil comet]

#rt-roles-2022 message

this is the full idea

[tranquil comet]

kinda weird they chose an advanced arsonist RK and not a new base role / corruptor advanced RK, arsonist already has 2 advanced roles

[torpid sparrow]

Uhm, arso can get anywhere between 0 and 2 if we look at it technically 🤓

[torpid sparrow]

Isnt that Mad Scientist from Werewolf Offline?

[dusky perch]

dont know ?

[torpid sparrow]

It kills players both on your left and right upon dying

(Lets say ur No:6 and upon death, you will take out No:5 and No:7 with you)

[whole bolt]

[latent locust]

interesting role icon

[willow zealot]

What's the purpose of killing people after you lose

Do you win if you're among the last to die or?

[latent locust]

you can force a draw in a 1v3 in the right situation

[whole bolt]

purpose is helping ww team

also entrenched people might not want to kill siren because they will die too, they might want to wait for the effect to go off..

Idk

[steady quiver]

i actually like the icon tho

but maybe change the color might be more fit with village theme

even there are a lots of role icons that isnt village theme anymore

[whole bolt]

I dont see how Corruptor fit village theme but lol

[steady quiver]

its actually tru

so is this arso adv ?

[whole bolt]

yeah

[steady quiver]

ok but the role purpose might be

idk

lemme guess delfector wolf test might be next update

and this one ?

[whole bolt]

Nah this one is only in testing, couldnt be in next update

[steady quiver]

i forgor how sandbox work again

[calm nimbus]

When will it be tested

[next cedar]

So a new advanced when we need a advanced

Interesting spin, sounds terrifying to see it entrance everyone at once

Meaning it wins or maybe rv wins

[feral saffron]

it could also be really interesting for wws not to vote off siren in case they're entranced.

[steady quiver]

i think ww can kill siren at night

it doesnt have ' ww cant kill you ' in description

so i think

[feral saffron]

if that's the case it's in best interest of siren to pick both ww and village to entrance

[steady quiver]

oh nah other rk roles doesnt have that keyword too

😭

but killing siren mighg be fun

[feral saffron]

yh it's a heavy balance shifter. Really want to see its potential if it can't be killed by wws

people probably gonna cry it's op, but that's like a skill issue

[calm nimbus]

Doesnt seem too op imo, but I would remove the feature where you kill people after you die

[feral saffron]

no, that's its strongest feature. It makes both village and ww hesitant to vote off rk

when you have 3 ww late-game it's too easy to kill off rk, this could balance things a lot

[calm nimbus]

Its stronger feature is that you choose who to kill

[feral saffron]

when is that not possible?

[calm nimbus]

If rk ends up with 3 wws vs himself it's his fault for not killing the ww

[calm nimbus]

Arso for example is forced to kill whoever he doused at one point, while siren can choose to not kill a player if they are a ww

I dont think it's op but the ability when you die is unfair to play against

But we'll have to see I guess

[feral saffron]

I mean, yh, but it does give village a new fighting chance to survive. Let's give it a shot at least. That's what sb is for, after all.

village win zzzzz

[calm nimbus]

Yeah it seems like a fun role overall and the icon is pretty nice. (This is infinitely better than confusion wolf or lurker the other two evil roles that have been tested)

[feral saffron]

lurker needs to be revisited. You're pouring a lot of effort into a standalone role. Cww I kinda dig

There's a lot of dumb wws out there outing themselves by claiming dead player role just for dead player to tell med ww claiming their role

[calm nimbus]

Lurker is very unfun and its playstyle is bad for the game (like asking vigi to shoot you) and cww is just too op because the werewolves can see the roles of the hidden players which just removes the skill part of cww. Also I think the ability should only be usable once for it to be balanced

It also prevents conj and med from reviving or converting to that player so if you find seer night 1, cww can just activate his ability and now the village loses its most important informer

[feral saffron]

i really don't see it being op. I've not seen a lot of difference in village wins since cww came out and wws deserve new op roles. Villages gets them all the time (judge is op against fool and shadow and astro op against wws). But yh, other than that, looking forward to seeing siren in action

[calm nimbus]

The argument that ww need an op role because village has many doesnt sound right to me. Why make the problem bigger? With that mentality the roles will keep getting stronger and stronger (power creep) and the game will be even more unbalanced. Nerfing the already op roles is a better solution than adding more op roles to counter them.

[frosty gorge]

The problem is that strong roles end up being more fun, nobody wants to play something that weak or average.

[next cedar]

Tbh it’s kinda cool how this is the first icon of 6 different roles

Oh wait I accidentally pinged

[low pelican]

Where to find this hand in inventory?

[short epoch]

fg

[low pelican]

Can’t find it

Not with the hand at least

[short epoch]

yeah

it change-))

no hand

[low pelican]

I clicked but the hand is still not there

Yea like yours

[short epoch]

it maybe a bug

[low pelican]

I saw some ppl have it tho

[regal nova]

Not bad

I like the threat of and arso-esq tag

But

It's prolly gonna be super swingy

[calm nimbus]

That's true but nobody likes playing against those op roles too

There are some weak roles that I like such as fc baker and bell ringer but I dont feel like they are unfair when I play against them

[versed shoal]

Siren should be able to bypass ties to win themselves if that's the case

[versed shoal]

when will this release?

do you buy it with gems? or event?

or... is it even real?

Oh battlepass icon :O

I always wanted wwf icon, we finally get one

[low pelican]

Someone said it’s season 31 bp

[calm nimbus]

If it's season 31 bp it will release on june 2nd I think

Or 1/2 days afterp'

[versed shoal]

june 2?

It's june 24

[cloud cave]

they prob meant july

[calm nimbus]

Yeah I meant july lol

[spark hatch]

can i ask what roles will be added next update?

[dawn parcel]

Most likely Judge and Lock smith

[untold pelican]

which role will be the base role for judge

[dusk hemlock]

priest most likely

[untold pelican]

ok im not upgrading my priest until then

i love judge

[frigid ermine]

This game is such a troll

THIS GAME NOT EVEN GIVING ME ARSONIST

[willow zealot]

I've been informed that the next battle pass will feature challenges with mechanics no other challenge has had before, as for what they are I don't know

[frigid ermine]

Just realized that this was #speculations 😭

[solar ravine]

Whats the function of this lmao when u dead

Useless ability

[agile basin]

evil alliance

and tie, you know, you loose less points

[dusk hemlock]

its only -3 or -2 when solo lose

a tie isnt that much different

[solar ravine]

Uhhh this only work on ranked

I was thinking with this too, i think its great

[steady quiver]

i wanna be where the people are 🧜‍♀️🧜‍♀️

[solar ravine]

Siren leaked from med mermaid icon

[dusky perch]

yeh its will be tie

3 vs 1 siren = tie

since its adv or arson the kill is insta kill
when u click the player die not like canni

[charred drift]

metmaid

mermaid

omg wtf

why is this allowed but succubus isnt

[rigid yarrow]

sirens don't have any inherent sexual connotations unlike succubi saur

[charred drift]

they seduce men tho

[solar ravine]

So, what will u get when tie anyways

Tie = 10xp
Lose = 20xp

I feel like this is arso but better

[lusty gull]

Do you have that kind of screenshot with toxic wolf?

[rigid yarrow]

i feel succubi are way more explicit than sirens like their whole focal point is having sex with men to survive so i think sirens get a pass

like they're more subtle?? or smt

but then again we have red lady so

[dusky perch]

i posted before

[lusty gull]

i just found fart wolf...

[dusky perch]

yeh its

[torpid sparrow]

Real?

[solar ravine]

Real

I cant even edit

[dusky perch]

lol

[charred drift]

whats that role

[lusty gull]

So toxic wolf can the same as fart wolf?

[torpid sparrow]

ToS2 spy

[solar ravine]

Its Scout wolf

Rcc : wolf seer