speculations

[tranquil comet]

doesnt solve the issue of being literally useless once you rrecruits are dead

[solar ravine]

Bully n insti sucks

[frosty gorge]

Had several other instigator buff ideas in #feedback-devs
But the worst idea was chosen, I even suggested something similar, but the staff themselves said it would be a problem and many people didn't like it.

[solar ravine]

Insti is just like sect leader tbh

[frosty gorge]

Since instigator is a killer, then make instigator replace Killer in the match

[solar ravine]

And the kill sounds looks like graveyard drum

[tranquil comet]

mayb e if the game DIDNT END PREMATURELY

arrrgghhh#

[tranquil comet]

and yeah its beign actively tested right now, yeah its the main issue

[torpid sparrow]

@tropic blade ur color changed

[dusky perch]

somehow village win when instigator alive

[tranquil comet]

yeah thats what ive been saying

they need to change it

[dusky perch]

but insti win if last alive

weird

[tranquil comet]

me and 16 other people in fact

#1103307176338002000 message

[humble current]

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1092451626654117959

[dusky perch]

lol

[fast oar]

How is this a village wins

😭

[dusky perch]

yeh unfair

[plush hollow]

He left and resigned the translator team I assume

👀

[cloud void]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

that's clearly gotta be fixed

or maybe insti isn't made for solo wins

and it's only to complicate village wins

[regal nova]

Meh

I feel like you should've seen that one coming

[torpid sparrow]

So insti doesnt count as a blockade for village win

#1052307474654433310

Oh u alr dropped it there

Lol

[gentle patio]

Someone knows why they took a great idea(25 players) and gave it the worst quick game shit like setup I've ever seen? Where is the fun at playing this when it's just like a quick game round and everyone follows seer

[plain coral]

days days

ALSO 1250 HONOR WHAAATTTT IM NEVER GETTING THAT

[bitter oxide]

What is this one from ?

Oh

[plain coral]

DO U THINK I GET HONOR

i play like a dead rat

i get one honor every 5 games

[lavish drum]

How do i get that thing

The eyes

And shi

[plain coral]

i cant even gain 255

ever

😔

man is the happy cannibal

[dark creek]

1. Play as cupid/insti (use talisman)
2. If you insti always give compliment to your couple and give them advice by using private message / if cupid say gl cutie couple or i matched best skins in game
3. free +40 honor per match

You tried?

idk but I get 220 honor for insulting my couple

I thought been rude and kind is same

If you play ranked is ok, but if you do this in qg or sandbox you will die and get many reports

After that you get bullet or reveal

report*

[regal nova]

Most are like
"Cupid us village 🤓"

[lusty finch]

Yea that's something

If couple is alive kill cupid

Yea this point

Vote for this
#1103378499579936819 message

[dark creek]

You tested it in qg or sb?

[dark creek]

I usually get revealed or shooted after this words since "im fool"

And if I am villager all ask to report me

Last time when it happend it was sb

[regal nova]

Not really
If recruit was then yes, but if it's a wolf & there's another wolf alivw then it's +1

[rugged panther]

Bandit when they make insti villager acco 🫡

[tranquil comet]

#1103307176338002000 message

[steady quiver]

Uh how did I obtain this bg

I don’t even know where it’s from 😭

[dusky perch]

Lol

[dusky perch]

Tarot collection bonus reward

[steady quiver]

Ty lol. Someone gifted me the other half of the collection

So I had zero idea

[dusky perch]

Owning all tarot outfits ^

[steady quiver]

I thought it gave a limited gravestone

[dusky perch]

No

[steady quiver]

That’s what I read from collection description though I could be blind

Anyways ty

[steady quiver]

@vague needle that emote is from hinamatsuri outfit

It’s an Easter egg

Did you send outfit or buy one for yourself

[vague needle]

Buy my own

[steady quiver]

Ok yea you got the pink one for buying it

There’s a blue one

You need to buy outfit for a friend

[vague needle]

I got the blue one

so is pink the friends one

[steady quiver]

Yea

Well you can still obtain both without buying for yourself

Like just buy outfit for two different friends

But if you want the other emote just buy for a friend

Since you already got one for yourself

[vague needle]

that's cool

[unique elm]

No

[rugged panther]

Ww insti when astro uses new moon 🙂

[quartz void]

If insti reqs die n1 it becomes 2 rk 3 wolf 1 rv game vs 8 villagers in qg sb matches

That's a helluva bad ratio

[solar ravine]

Astro doesnt affect solo

[rugged panther]

But it affects ww

He said insti couple gets one kill per night, and that referring to one evil getting one kill

Lol

[pure iron]

[empty tree]

[rugged panther]

Recruited gets 1 kill per night, and if recruits die, now the insti himself gets 1 kill per night

Yall can literally read what he says

Im just saying ww recruit aint getting a kill if astro new moons

[pure iron]

since when does recruited get one kill?

[whole bolt]

yesterday

[rugged panther]

Recruited players (couple) have a killer (ww or rk) and a villager. I guess he was saying if it a killer, the killer is getting 1 kill every night

So that would equal when the recruited (couple) dies, instigator himself will get 1 kill

What i was nodding at is if astro activates new moon on instigated ww, that’s not a kill per night

[quick marsh]

how do i hide my level?

[rugged panther]

Delayed a week

[quick marsh]

damn sad

[dusky perch]

zombie x villager cant kill every night tho

cant kill at all

zombie shouldnt be able to be recruit

sl can kill at least

[quick marsh]

true

[inland hare]

Zombie could just disable villager's abilities to a forky that will decay in overall

[solar ravine]

U need to wait 3 days and they spread easily

[dusky perch]

and how to stop them?

[inland hare]

Could just stop converting at night 2 or after to delay the majority of zombie at least? Did people get used to average zombie win? Theoretically recruits with a rk should have get ww, killing role in their priority and zombie is just good at finding evils and balance the majority of wolves/villagers

Something that fair to the match but not the role?

[dusky perch]

YOW

Sorcerer is evil

since when

[fast oar]

Naurr

[steady quiver]

why

give me new gl protected and got protected system message

[regal nova]

Eh

Not exactly true

Convert -> death

[fast oar]

The ghost lady scared away your attacker

[regal nova]

Essentially you're a worse sk but the victims join your team

[regal nova]

Wh

Excuise me?

[steady quiver]

what

excuise me

[empty tree]

??

[humble current]

since forever

only their disguise makes them good

[regal nova]

Wht do you want gl to get another buff

[steady quiver]

i mean i wanted to see new system message for gl after getting buffed

i think gl is balanced now even its still annoying when bound

[regal nova]

You mean as gl though

Right?

[steady quiver]

as player being protected by gl and as gl yep

[steady quiver]

they didnt mention about bound

[rigid yarrow]

is that mother jiafei

[fast oar]

It's xijemomo i think

[steady quiver]

[rigid yarrow]

oh shit u right

still mother

[late saffron]

@regal nova hi

[regal nova]

The thing is

[regal nova]

Hey

If i had to guess

It's that guardians opperate under a "common law" system

Whixh has evolved into what's exersized in casual modes

And they know they can't just change their methods for ranked exclusively

So they just expanded their leniency on "throwing" and "teaming" in those modea

*that nmode

**mode

[late saffron]

Teaming also a big problem from what I saw in ranked and happens in SB too

[regal nova]

(Ranked)

[late saffron]

Do you feel it's more fun/productive to play ranked then?

[regal nova]

Honestly?

Yea

For the same reason trying to win as evil in VW farms is

[late saffron]

Village win farms?

[regal nova]

Yea

[late saffron]

Don't u get reported for scamming then?

[regal nova]

Reported?
Yes

Banned?
No

[late saffron]

Soo... Do u try to win in VW? :3

[regal nova]

Regardless of my alignment

I try to win as whatever i'm given

And in lover lobbies I go for lovers' wins

[late saffron]

I'll keep that in mind. Sounds fun

[dusky perch]

the new buff made instigator alive again

[fast oar]

Game no longer ends when insti alive?

[dusky perch]

they say

[tranquil comet]

W my g, although there was one game after the buff where it still wasn’t working for some reason but ill have to watch more

[dusky perch]

insti and bandit is worst setup

[charred drift]

it did end when insti was alive

[dusky perch]

• If a target of the butcher is killed during the night, the butcher will have their meat refunded
  what this mean?

how can target die if butcher protect them

[idle vale]

witch

jailer, etc

[fast oar]

I think it meant if butcher target got killed by witch etc u dont lose it

[torpid sparrow]

@fast oar no

Its like couple, & tag, member and recruit

[half citrus]

sad noises

[tranquil comet]

maybe it only applies in a 1v1?

[fast oar]

Lemme test it

[tranquil comet]

literally just don't put them in the same setup, very simple

[prime pagoda]

insti is too strong now, and it's getting hard for vill, as there will be 3 kill/per night

[tranquil comet]

"village is op" mains about to get a taste of their own medicine

[charred drift]

why would they do that

[tranquil comet]

idk

[signal crystal]

What about new roles testing in sandbox?

we know something?

[dusky perch]

locksmith

and president

[humble current]

just saw a nwm accuse someone of being recruited with witch

cuz they were protecting them...

I have come to agreement with @tranquil comet

[tranquil comet]

and president you say? 😱

[tranquil comet]

what did we agree on again? 🤨

[humble current]

nwm op

when in the right hands

[tranquil comet]

well duh, beats me how someone can think an rrv role that can know all the protectors in a short amount of time (1 night at the minimum) is balanced

a nerf as i say would be to make nwm manually choose a player to watch to see if its protected, or can only see 1 protection at a time, something along those lines

[humble current]

choose to add a player to watchlist each night

[tranquil comet]

thats actually an interesting idea as well

[dusky perch]

lol

[dusky perch]

pings

[empty tree]

??

oh wow president has come back

[dusky perch]

Lol

[solar ravine]

They refuse to buff bully when its suck ass and keep buffing insti to a BETTER bandit

[fast oar]

[agile basin]

Bully was buffed with +1 rock 👀

[tropic blade]

thats a useless buff tho

[solar ravine]

+1 rock = 1 more days? Whats the matter

its like gunner but 1 days delayed

[agile basin]

3 rocks, 1 kill
4 rocks, 2 kill
3 rocks, up to 3 stuns
4 rocks, up to 4 stuns

It has a slower kill, but that's why it is not called Gunner 2.0, and it's called bully

[agile basin]

It is for a different kind or gameplay. You can have a great impact against roles like shadow ww, wolffluencer, wolves with night activities

[solar ravine]

Yeah and-

You can just kill them instantly as gunner

Dont forget because of your delayed kill you can give fool n hh free win

[agile basin]

I am not saying it is stronger than gunner, but a good option. In different situations, gunner or bully is better.

With shadow ww, gunner would kill shadow ww, but seer will die anyway. With bully, you can stun them (-2 votes), lynch them and save them

[solar ravine]

And you wasted 1 rock just for shadow

And its only good in shadow game? Anything else??

[agile basin]

Wolffluencer, wolf seer snd advanceds, summoner wolf, stubborn...

Any killers

[tropic blade]

that is still a useless buff

[willow zealot]

Bully needs at least 5 rocks to be viable, ideally 6

[tropic blade]

not really

for it to be balanced it would need unlimited rocks and thats stupid

this comes down to being gunner's advanced

gunner's purpose is avoiding fool wins, and this role cannot do that reliably

[solar ravine]

Bro just kill them instantly as gunner- why do you have to delay your attack anyways

[whole falcon]

you turn from the hh killer as gunner to the hh target as bully

[agile basin]

Yeah, definitly gunner is never used to counter guardian wolf and wolf pacifist, to kill two werewolves in the same day, to solve a counter claim...

[plush hollow]

Can be useful like cerdoh said.
Also advanced roles is not supposed be easy to play as their base roles and bully it’s a different gameplay some people like those roles when I played sb 👀

[agile basin]

Stubborn wolf requires two bullets, but only three rocks

To counter wolffluencer qs gunner you need to know who is the wolffluencer, but as bully you can just stun the influencer player to win a voting phase

I mean, I am not saying bully is the strongest role, but have neither weaker. Just different gameplay, imo. You can have a different opinnion, of course

[whole falcon]

3 rocks is 3 days my man

and bully also requires a lot of coordination with the rest of the village which is also not a very easy task considering what kind of people play this game.

[next cedar]

Yes and that gives you enough time to regret your action

[tropic blade]

gunner is better

[solar ravine]

Ah i see
Bully is made to counter werewolves only and you give solo killer and fool/hh free win

Because your ability is nothing to "solo killer"

[agile basin]

You don't need to give fool win, just be pacient 👀

And you can counter sk, too. It takes two days, but stun makes sk unable to kill anyway

[solar ravine]

And with vigilante n gunner just shoot em

Or get lynched dont have to wait

[tropic blade]

one could argue, in fact, bully is easier than gunner

[solar ravine]

Or when you stunned sk, ww on their way killing you to free sk

[tropic blade]

gunner is an advanced role, gunner is straightforward

[tranquil comet]

just cuz its straightforward, doesn’t mean its easy to use

use properly i mean

[tropic blade]

its the easiest to use

[tranquil comet]

nah vigi is easiest to use

ignore the reports for a secojd

[tropic blade]

debatable tbh, at least when it comes to shooting fool id say its harder

[humble current]

when there's a dispute between two players

• vigi just reveals one of them

• bully can bully one and hope for the best (they can change their mind later)

• gunner has to stop and properly critique both players before deciding who to shoot as it is risky to shoot the good one

vigi is obviously the easiest

[tropic blade]

sure, once you have shot a possible fool try to get them killed 👍👍👍

vigi has it easier to solve these sort of disputes

not to actually deal with fool

which is the only purpose of gunner

for SOLVING this we have a warden + gunner combo, way better than a jailer + vigi combo

[humble current]

weren't we just talking about usability

[tranquil comet]

yeah thats what page i was on

[dusky perch]

Bully has 4 rocks in sb?

[tranquil comet]

anywhere

its visual bug if 3

[dusky perch]

yeh

i had 3 in custom

[slate hull]

I love how depending on where I look, bully is either really op or way too weak ^^

[tranquil comet]

for bully players, its just knowing which games bully is better in and adapting to the situation, there is more leniency for Bully as its not the first rock that can decide a game

[torpid sparrow]

Village can coordinate?

Yes: top of A tier

No: at the last of C tier (cuz it can kill lol)

[dusky perch]

ngl even tho im not fan of bully but its balanced role
work good if shadow in game you can throw on ww or on shadow before active

[blissful stream]

This may have already been said, but I was really hoping bully wouldn't be bound to the same 1-action-per-day rule as vigil/gunner. If you could throw rocks whenever needed rather than once per day it would be a much more interesting addition imo. Although also a terrible tool for throwers 😅😅

[marble remnant]

'whenever needed' aka just be smarter with yer one rock then, rather than 'needing' to use more than one per day which really kills the fun

keep in mind granny for example cant even mute the same player twice in a row
and then Bully barges in and can completely roleblock ppl repeatedly and even kill

[rugged panther]

Yall discussing bully without me

Bully is a great role

And concussing isnt reportable unless you are concussing a known/confirmed villager

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1103577176944676914

I would rather bully in my game over gunner 100%

I never lose shadow votes when playing as bully

And bully is constantly being proactive in the game

Bully is like a stealthy version of vigi and gunner

Bully and gunner are same powerlevel

Vigi is a bit higher

And when bully becomes an evil player, they excel better than vigi or gunner does

[solar ravine]

Make it random concussion not reportable

Put Bully in ranked, everyone scream More

[empty tree]

haha

[marble remnant]

random gg mute is reportable and concussions are way more powerful.. its def reportable to random them.

[rugged panther]

They arent, i confirmed it with guardian

[rugged panther]

Nope

Skill issue

[solar ravine]

So, u can random concuss

[dusky perch]

Why its not reportable?

[plush hollow]

It’s reportable 👀

Don’t do misinformation…..

[toxic blade]

That info was checked with a guardian manager, concussing isn't, killing is random

[plush hollow]

Ooh really one guardian told me it was reportable

Thanks for the information sonblo 👀

[toxic blade]

Anytime 🙈

[plush hollow]

So concuss is not reportable but muting random is reportable ? It’s kinda same no?

[solar ravine]

On my way random concuss day 1

[dusky perch]

so keep jailing doc until seer die not reportable cuz i didnt kill the doc

[toxic blade]

Both are still different mechanics 👀

[plush hollow]

Hmmm I see thanks son tho

[toxic blade]

I mean, repeatably jailing the same person isn't helping and may be gamethrowing on its own-

[dusky perch]

everyrole's ability is matter and can lead to lose :\ what if no med ig and bully concuss doc and seer died who to blame then?

[plush hollow]

In this case it’s throwing not random 👀

If doctor were cleared *

[solar ravine]

So, a guardian said its not reportable and one said its reportable

[plush hollow]

If not it’s not reportable, in any doubt you can still report and then guardian will take decision

[tranquil comet]

jailer can jail who he wants can he not?

same with warden too

[plush hollow]

Giardian manager said it’s not reportable so it shouldn’t be

[dusky perch]

yeh but there are many cases can bully made village lose something
what if bully concuss villager who got jailed ? they wont be able to answer to jailer and jailer will kill them

[tranquil comet]

also yes it is like muting who is sus

[toxic blade]

That's a risk you are taking by concussing early on

[toxic blade]

[tranquil comet]

it only blocks people at night if you throw a rock in the voting phase

[solar ravine]

Just imagine you got banned for random concuss and u wasted ur time appealing

[tranquil comet]

throwing rocks in discussion does not block the target at night

[toxic blade]

Guardians will still look at it on a case by case basis ofc, but in general, concussing on day 1 or early on isn't random

[dusky perch]

random shot is also risk but yeh i agree its depends on the case but still can be reported
telling people its not reportable they wont report bully random cuz they will see its not reportable like priest :\

[tranquil comet]

yeah its just if u throw rocks two times too early then its random killing

[toxic blade]

Yep that is reportable if you random kill 🙈

[plush hollow]

Wasted your time appeal is not true always useful but the amount of ticket compared to the number of guardian is pretty high it’s why application is to have more guardians 👀

[toxic blade]

Concussing isn't the same as random killing 👀 And still, if it appears like throwing in any way it is better to report it

[plush hollow]

I guess you can dm Lisa to add concuss by bully is not reportable in the rules and ca. Be considered as priest/flagger etc..

[toxic blade]

Yep that's always a possibility

[dusky perch]

can be added with random killing rule same as random reveal its not kill but included in random kill rule

[solar ravine]

Random reveal not allowed
But concussion can

[visual flower]

Bully players don't allow you to speak in first place 💀🙏🏻

They kill you immediately after concussion

[daring parcel]

i'm still happy that my one time where bully was ig in a round of mine that this bully got corred

[steady quiver]

i was medium once concussed by bully on day 1 while seer died the first night, i could not revive and wws killed me too

imo bully shouldnt be allowed to random either

[tropic blade]

your opinion matters, just not much

find more people that like us dont want it to be allowed and dm Lisa

[rigid yarrow]

i can't wait to play in a bully game

i don't think i have played in a bully game before

and, i'm going to deviate a bit, i think priest random watering and marksman random shooting should be against the rules as well idg why they're exempted

[visual flower]

Priest and mm can random because they sacrifice their own life it doesn't affect other players

[rigid yarrow]

sacrificing their lives endangers the village tho? one less villager for the win condition

idk tho

i could easily be refuted

[regal nova]

I think it's less about being "random" and more about what "random" entails for the guardians

For example

Vote, claim; and speech patterns

[marble remnant]

But why are gg mutes not allowed to be random then.

The concussion does much more damage

[marble remnant]

Hm interesting little mechanic
The role description really doesn't do it justice...

[humble current]

I mean it does say two phases

and there's three phases in the game

[next cedar]

Also concusses can do way more damage than a reveal but random revealing is apparently against the rules

[dusky perch]

[marble remnant]

Hm im unsure if i agree
Random revealing makes ppl vulnerable for kill, but concussion doesnt, unless bully throw

[rugged panther]

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1103577176944676914

Guys concussing day 1 early doesn’t do much on unconfirmed. Like if it was a doctor, the evils assume that seer is still protected if doc is alive

And just because you concuss, doesn’t mean you HAVE to kill them

[next cedar]

It kinda has a death like effect for both, vig makes it so the person would more likely die while bully kinda simulates it instantly

[tranquil comet]

yes blocking for current and next phase, good find

[tranquil comet]

you can also just rock in discussion, if they were really doctor then they can still protect the next night (they are concuss in discuss and voting only)

[rugged panther]

Not day 1, rock is only available in voting phase

[tranquil comet]

ah its like vigi and gunner too, i see

[rugged panther]

Yeah

And priest

[tranquil comet]

yep

[rugged panther]

I want to make my SL gold

But i already have the beautiful vday icon for sect

Id mainly bc making SL gold for perks

And gold banditos

[marble remnant]

Hm maybe that should be changed

[humble current]

Bruh just don't rock random day 1?

Some ppl would have poor trigger control irl

A good thing about concussions is that they're not announced, so it's extremely difficult for ww to notice doc concussed and attack main info role

[marble remnant]

I didnt specify which way it should be changed

[rugged panther]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1103577176944676914

[humble current]

Fluke

[visual flower]

👹

[next cedar]

Welp I hope every report that comes to you from randomly hitting them catches up to you

[rugged panther]

It won’t bc its non reportable 👀

[next cedar]

People will report stuff that they believe is reportable, if enough reports form from it the guardians will ban you for it

[rugged panther]

Not if they look at what the report is 👀

False reports don’t do anything

Like report me as gunner for shooting seer when i am couple/recruited

[next cedar]

Except those aren’t false reports because they weren’t just to be toxic, they were reports because they saw a legitimate problem and reported you for being the result of said problem

[rugged panther]

A false report is a false report, pebble on non confirmed isnt reportable

And my pebbles dont kill

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1103577176944676914

[next cedar]

They don’t kill but they do make it so people are unable to play for part of the game

[rugged panther]

A miniscule amount of the game

Better than vigi revealing, killing the doc or med

Or jailer

Theyll live for not talking in the last 5 seconds of voting and 30 seconds of night

[next cedar]

However that brief moment you are in a state worse than death, you don’t even have a dead chat to speak with

[rugged panther]

I guess the informers have it hard with nightmares then huh

Same as, lm, fc,

Vigi

How terrible

They sleep for a single night

As bully, i guess i have it worse bc i cant do anything at night

“In a state worse than death”

[rugged panther]

Idk if u read the strat i posted, but it covers what I do and the reasons why

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1103577176944676914

I am more than open for discussion on the post about bully

I want to know strats other people use as well

[rigid yarrow]

i'm sure randomly (attempting) to water someone d1 is, well, random. no semblance of any suspicious patterns

i'm not arguing against u btw 😭

[regal nova]

I mean

Not saying anything is good enough reason to rock for me

At least for a primary rock

[rigid yarrow]

oh i'm not sure about bully since i haven't played with bully before

[regal nova]

Oh, 100% watering

[rigid yarrow]

i wouldn't water d1 as priest unless there's more than one evil info

idk call me passive but i just don't risk my all for some roles :stopitsnotfunny:

[regal nova]

Brother ran out of nitro :notlikethis:

[rigid yarrow]

:conjuring:

[solar ravine]

Bro nitro expired

[grizzled hearth]

[humble current]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nitro-gif-25827489

[twilit pond]

[next cedar]

Is this just showing what it will look like in game or a hint

[rugged panther]

Leaked footage

[daring parcel]

out now

[empty tree]

sheesh

[daring parcel]

Conju and bully both need to be deleted

from wov

[heavy mantle]

☠️

Nah

[daring parcel]

Ofc they need to be deleted

[heavy mantle]

Why?

They are good roles

[daring parcel]

Bully to high ganethrowing potential and conju bc it's conju

[heavy mantle]

🤔🤔

I think bully players are doing good because the name 'bully'

[daring parcel]

--

[tranquil comet]

they can't delete roles from the game, even FT a role that is unavaliable right now will get reworked for next bp too

[tranquil comet]

.

[marble remnant]

you could use #1052307374179885226 though neither this nor that channel is a complaint channel

[tranquil comet]

also L opinion as well

[daring parcel]

so many people are f simps for bully maje as you see by the votes from bully nerfs

[marble remnant]

I really do not care enough about your insights to go look which ideas they might have been and wether or not I agree with them

that wasnt my point whatsoever

[opaque mulch]

@daring parcel Hey, please respect other people enjoying a role. Disagreeing with them is not reason to put your opinion above theirs

[daring parcel]

fine --

[empty tree]

eh you dislike conj for no reasonable reason

[daring parcel]

[static iris]

How much honor do you need for each reward + what are the rewards?

[marble remnant]

this doesnt need to be in speculations, its already available in game and in #game-updates

theres a link there where you can see the rewards.

[half citrus]

eh leaked desc change in non-english language? (it happened in late bp 29 but yeah the english desc still not change)

it's not double win condition, seems different

btw it's hard to understand that nerf

[tranquil comet]

no that is how it works right now

[humble current]

that's exactly how it works yeah

[tranquil comet]

the description is much more clear there though

[half citrus]

nvm lmao

[dark creek]

Maybe it is not nerf? It is just better translation?

[tranquil comet]

cuz some people thought if u bind to another player, that player doesn’t count to their condition anymore

and that they are ww con instead of their own

but actually its just split counts as 2 ww but the other player still count to their team, hence the villager count is remain the same

[half citrus]

yeah but it said "one wolf"

weird translation

[tranquil comet]

yeah split counts as 2 ww right

itself

and

the +1 wolf, which is the binded player

if u get what i mean

[steep hinge]

I only agree with Bully

Ok nvm this convo was like 3 hours ago

[daring parcel]

it's fine

[rugged panther]

Bully is fine

Make vigi reveal only show to the vigi

And delete bell ringer

Bell ringer is arguable worse than Lm

Just like vio adv of aura

[fresh harbor]

I prefer br simply because lm will often reveal the wrong roles.... like med or doc.... but vio is terrible

[steady quiver]

U can actually play as br

Loudmouth relies on urself killed

Pretty boring and bad

[rugged panther]

You can play as Loudmouth too, and loudmouth is nearly a guaranteed reveal. Br just dies or doesnt get to reveal players. Avenger is better as well

Avenger > Loudmouth > Bellringer

[steady quiver]

Yeah but the problem is that usually they wouldnt kill u

Like literally

[rugged panther]

Rk will

[solar ravine]

Ability sucks, but you can random concuss day 1 cuz its not reportable they said

so i would say balanced (I guess)

Profile settings when

[vague fractal]

A

[plain coral]

buff alpha

again

thats what i have to say

buff how?

i dont know

but its honestly horrible rn

[visual flower]

I guess I'm lucky when I play bellringer. I always find evil roles 😃👍🏻

But avenger is better for late game

[tranquil comet]

skill issue, BR is finely

[empty tree]

disagree

[quick marsh]

i dont get what's wrong with insti buff
it had no way of winning after recruits die before the buff

are people annoyed just cuz devs gave insti what it deserved 😂

[dusky perch]

buff but not 2 kills lmao

[ashen flame]

How To Get Fast HR

[scarlet stump]

[plush hollow]

Play well ?

[dusky perch]

seer talismans

YOW the upcoming role sounds fun as even more than gr

[slate hull]

At least post the role icon here for other people to see 😋

[next cedar]

What role

I must know

[dusky perch]

yes agree

[next cedar]

Icon looks like evil locksmith tbh

But yeah looks like an actually good role, might use it to replace my wwfan card cause it seems fun

[next cedar]

Do you know how it works when you get attacked? Do you turn into some other role or are you just on their team

[fast oar]

Interesting 👀

[dusky perch]

just on their team

[next cedar]

also what if you get attacked by fool with sword

[dusky perch]

sword isnt attack

ability

[next cedar]

So you can only join evils

[dusky perch]

i guess

[next cedar]

Insti/lurker team could happen tho lol

But they’d never put cupid and cursed in same rolelist

[dusky perch]

yeh

another good aura who isnt villager

[fast oar]

Is it cursed advanced

[tranquil comet]

cursed advanced again?

lurker here pls shoot me UwU

[fast oar]

[empty tree]

eh...

worse cursed?

[dusky perch]

looks like

someone made role meta which dont show adv roles anymore

[tranquil comet]

also i fear it has same coding as cursed on condition to turn

like so if sk attack lurker then lurker will join sk team

but if arso ignite lurker

then lurker will just die right?

[fast oar]

It can joins solo too so funni

[empty tree]

what if sk attack lurker again?

[fast oar]

[empty tree]

[fast oar]

Lurk dies

[empty tree]

meh

[tranquil comet]

i think there will be countermeasure

like u can’t attack your own team

idk

[fast oar]

So if wolves attacks lurker will lurker sees all wws

[tranquil comet]

in any case mains are gonna be happy

[slate hull]

Just to skip some debate, both team and aura are not correct in that screenshot. Since we're not able to overwrite this stuff with the server, the app just has some random stuff

[empty tree]

so if lurker is on sk team, will they be able to kill?

[dusky perch]

no same as wws cant vote their team

[empty tree]

uh...

well cursed when turned into a wolf can attack

same as wwf

gr is all based on target

lurker when got attacked, doesnt have the ability to attack other??!

[tranquil comet]

if ur playing as lurker u don’t mind ww but would rather be converted into a better team

[fast oar]

What is that icon on the left

[tranquil comet]

so either vill win players will use it to win with village after asking village to shoot them and players who play for fun will want to ally with the solo killer

[dusky perch]

its appear to the attacker after attacking you

[fast oar]

Ohh

[dusky perch]

still waiting for server update

[next cedar]

So its wwfan/gr but never switches roles, meaning its really only a second vote

[tranquil comet]

oh its coming today?

[tranquil comet]

its still not village sided so u can cause as much chaos as u want

but not as much as wwf tho

since u want to live with the killer hopefully

assuming u arent a vill win player

[next cedar]

It’s half wwfan because it can cause as much chaos as it wants

[tranquil comet]

yes but it also doesn’t want to die either necessarily

[next cedar]

I mean it can cause chaos after being turned

[cinder oyster]

Woah wtf

[tranquil comet]

i mean it has a good aura apparently

not confirmed

but at least u can mask yourself enough to not be lynched

its actually flexible

since u dont lose if u get shot

u just become village

💀

[cinder oyster]

I actually kinda like this its interesting

Being a +1 to a solo killer role is really cool

[next cedar]

Bandit+acc+lurker

[slate hull]

4 player instigator team 😋

[fast oar]

Funni

[next cedar]

Wait does lurker join the player that attacked them and not the team, cause if so having an insti team that rivals the ww team would be terrifying

[real coral]

So what about

Converters

[dusky perch]

solo killer wont be solo anymore

[empty tree]

you forgot insti

[whole bolt]

ooooo new role

[frosty gorge]

It's a killer 100%

[whole bolt]

no it's advanced of

[frosty gorge]

Hybrid of villager and killer?

[real coral]

Yeah but insti's conversion is a little bit different since it's at the start of the game, then can Lurker be classified as a suitable candidate for the villager side?

[half citrus]

solon't killer

[real coral]

Since the description did state that it cannot be converted directly

via convertor roles

[half citrus]

the team desc should change tho

it'd confuse a lot of players

[real coral]

So it's like this for the converters:

: Won't be able to convert into accomplice and won't be able to stab as it's similar to cursed
: Probably won't be able to convert, but can via berserk, since berserk applies violent kills to any protectors, which can probably apply to the condition, though unlikely
: Can't convert at all (?)
: Probably will still get coupled, and keep the original ability
: Can be converted by getting targetted by the sect's dark ritual
: Maybe excluded from being a recruit, but can join when instigator stabs it

[half citrus]

man i want some village roles that can convert lurker into fully 100% villager

[real coral]

What about throwing a rock to a lurker

[half citrus]

i was thinking abt that lol

[real coral]

Getting a concussion from the rock should be considered as attacked

[dusky perch]

attack sounds bad word to use

for villagers

[half citrus]

it is

[real coral]

And if the default team for Lurker changes Village to Other

Then it's suitable for "Random Others"

[dusky perch]

one rock isnt attack so wont turn to village

[real coral]

And Cursed would be in there to fit Lurker's compatibility

[dusky perch]

about zombie yes cant be bitten cuz none villager but should be able to be bitten if turned to village
devs should note that

[frigid ermine]

Basically a cursed but additionally solo killer can have them as their partner lol

[half citrus]

so village killers might have a chance to convert lurker into a fully villager?

[dusky perch]

its make sense for cursed cant be bitten but lurker wont be ww after being villager

[dusky perch]

yeh

for some reason everyone will see lurker after turning village

[half citrus]

due to its "villager"ness like , and wont be convert the lurker i guess

what a sad day for WAKANDA FOREVERists

[real coral]

No

It's starting team is Nothing

[dusky perch]

mm should be able
judge is lynch and lynch said wont turn lurker but kill him
and priest only kill wws

[real coral]

So I think those but can convert Lurker

[versed shoal]

wait with the new insti win conditions... does insti win if it's 1v1 insti vs jailer/gl?

[real coral]

Joining Insti

I don't think so, due to the nature of the role and the word "Couple" itself

[versed shoal]

where do you play those new roles early?

[dusky perch]

well sk is part of insti team so lurker also be insti team

[half citrus]

oh great, perhaps i can WAKANDA FOREVER myself using warden's bow when jailed with lurker

[dusky perch]

they come in sandbox first

[versed shoal]

it's not in sandbox rn?

I mean, how did they leak it

[half citrus]

perhaps next week

or next bp lol

[dusky perch]

secret

[versed shoal]

dev team just leaking shit ain't they

[real coral]

So what happens if uses weapon given by to kill Lurker?

(yes wwf can hold weapon and shoot)

[dusky perch]

if lurker got attacked by coupled sk?
couple isnt team so lurker will be sk team so cpl need lynch lurker

[versed shoal]

If lurker causes backfire, wwf will die, if it doesn't cause backfire, lurker will win with the wwf, which is wolf win

[versed shoal]

so if rk in lovker and attacked lurker, lurker instantly lost unless it's an SL that sacrificed to kill them but instead converted them

OR

[dusky perch]

why wwf can hold weapon lmao

[versed shoal]

cuz cursed can

that's why

[half citrus]

mmm interesting

[dusky perch]

cursed villager yeh wwf not

[versed shoal]

"if cursed can do it, wwf can too"

[real coral]

No idea but I was wwf once and I got jailed and personally held the weapon and wasted it on

So I can vouch for it

[half citrus]

checkmate, 's convict

[versed shoal]

That is a stupid oversight the devs made

Literally, judge sucks, makes fool win impossible

[real coral]

Of course it backfired and killed me but still wasted the warden's weapon

[real coral]

Shouldn't Fool win tho

[versed shoal]

wwf being backfire from judge will make judge not just do shit

[versed shoal]

nope

[real coral]

Judge didn't personally come up and choked Fool 💀

That guy only sits in his chair and point who to "lynch"

What is this oversight

Rip lurker

Win with Fool

[versed shoal]

fool gets voted out and lurker wins

Not RIP lurker, good for lurker

lurker can convince them to vote the fool that they just joined

[dusky perch]

wwf sounds op

[versed shoal]

Oh it definetly is

[dusky perch]

if wwf can hold weapon then the attack count for village ?

[versed shoal]

People say it sucks

but wwf is absolutely strong

[dusky perch]

as warden weapon village

[versed shoal]

MM also backfires on wwf

which makes it so that judge not backfiring on wwf stupid

[real coral]

I haven't seen a wwf getting killed by warden weapon doe

[dusky perch]

guess its time to use my golden wwf

[signal crystal]

wait what is lucker?

[real coral]

But wwf can hold and sacrifice to waste the weapon

[signal crystal]

what is his power?

[real coral]

Damn op

[versed shoal]

they can also claim warden and ask ritu to place revive on them just in case double wolves to waste crossbow AND revive, and get revived too

[signal crystal]

ehw

adv of?

[versed shoal]

obviously cursed

[signal crystal]

it could be also fool

[versed shoal]

nah

Cursed +adv is the team changer

[half citrus]

lurker's team desc should be villager, werewolf or solo just like 's village or werewolf, 's village and love cpl and 's solo or village

[versed shoal]

Cupid + adv is the 3rd team

[dusky perch]

i wonder if avg/jww tag work too

[versed shoal]

every kill method will work except voting

alr

g

[signal crystal]

I think lucker is too much stronger then cursed, gr and ww fan

[versed shoal]

"strong" is a weird term with a non-fixed team role ain't it?

It's not "strong"

It's just "unpredictable". More unpredictable then GR as unlike gr, it doesn't have limitations

[signal crystal]

right

[real coral]

We do be getting overpowered roles compared to their base roles recently

Just look at conjuror

[half citrus]

operation WAKANDA FOREVER successfully failed?

[real coral]

Compare it to med not rit

[versed shoal]

I honestly just asked for night chat. They made it busted, adding both night chat and double time conversions

[empty tree]

nah, gr or wwf still stronger or sneakier

[real coral]

It's wayy more complicated than med and way more versatile

[signal crystal]

lucker can not win as villager?

[real coral]

True

[versed shoal]

Conj converting and using two village abilities instantly makes it better than med and ritu

[real coral]

At least rit can gamble if they die n1

[versed shoal]

village killing can convert them

I know

I used this to almost win

Cofused everyone

[signal crystal]

OH COOL

[versed shoal]

They blamed it to "confusing gambler mechanics"

Fool was long dead, and everyone was scanned

And I revived the gunner

Literally everyone was cleared

and nobody knew anything

Until the gunner realized that "oh ritu revive stays after ritu converted"

after the gabler scanned everyone again once

and we voted 3 different villagers out

(no more wolves and bandit, only me as acc)

rww trickster in corr game

Amazing

Literally un-ccable

[dusky perch]

best thing to have corr as trickster

[versed shoal]

You can say "everyone vote, so we know who corrupted"

and then just trick the corrupted person

ez

[whole bolt]

not everyone will listen but ok

well if u already tricked a corrupted player

[versed shoal]

"why haven't you given info"

[whole bolt]

ur happy to get checked

[versed shoal]

"because I scanned insert wolf kill n1"

or "because I got same info (/ scanned the same person) as you"

[whole bolt]

[half citrus]

top 68 things i cant complete the solo killer quest

[versed shoal]

Just use zomb

literally, if you need solo killer quest, just go zomb

insti isn't considered solo killer tho

it counts with the quest?

[whole bolt]

can't wait to play as and get stabbed by first night

[versed shoal]

ah

[versed shoal]

the best thing to happen is corrupted

dies

[whole bolt]

oh

uses forger sword to kill will make join 's team?

[versed shoal]

I was hh I was given sword by forger because I was the only village/claimed left in the game

I got the hh win in that one

by saying "Vote insert number or I will kill you"

[half citrus]

happy average level-targetted players noises

[dusky perch]

all village's ability stay in village team

[whole bolt]

ah

sad noises

[versed shoal]

gets attacked by wolves and attacked by sk n1

[crisp frigate]

😍😍

[whole bolt]

~7 hours until 1 week passed, Profile visibility settings update?

[crisp frigate]

Yes please

[whole bolt]

can't wait to hide my level

[half citrus]

self-destructing go brrr

[versed shoal]

"# is lurker, gunner shoot them please"

or water

:P

[half citrus]

now we should call furred lurker instead of furred bg/tg

[versed shoal]

I miss my gray-skinned zombie

[half citrus]

that's not even that gray

[versed shoal]

exactly

It isn't

won't happen

Lurker may be wolf team, but isn't wolf.

like Sorc or Wwf, they are immune to bh

no

the role "sorcerer" can not be killed by bh

Also, you will never be able to scan anyone as "Sorcerer" ingame ever

[half citrus]

although it considered as same rank as and , it cant visit med by bh's trap

[fast oar]

[versed shoal]

Sorcerer cannot get killed by Bh, but Regular Werewolf can

[crisp frigate]

If there are two sorcs ig, both become ww? 🤔

[fast oar]

No

Random

One of them

[crisp frigate]

Oh

[versed shoal]

You will never find Sorcerer get killed by bh

[crisp frigate]

That's better

[versed shoal]

Just both resign ya know

tell each other info

Why not make it instead of sorc having the "mark" mechanic.

let sorc talk to wolves, in exchange for not being able to scan anyone for that night?

I mean, would be useless if an alpha knows what they're doing

as alpha in sorc game. Do your job. Make a code

Like insti

[half citrus]

@dusky perch oh hey, will astro die if they convert lurker

sry for ping btw

[dusky perch]

no lurker is not villager so astro wont die but will convert lurker to village

[half citrus]

oh, will lurker converted by ww get block by astro's new moon?

[dusky perch]

lurker stay as its so cant vote with wws = wont be blocked

[dusky perch]

why got delete

[frozen summit]

because it was a pic from philips dm

i can send it

iyw

[frozen summit]

ye

want me to send it?

[charred drift]

what the heck is lurker

oh

leaked by who

ss?

also is psychofan an actual role

someone sent me a photo

role named psychofan it looks like a shopping lady with a smile

It can win with any team as long as alive,and doesnt count to win cond.

it has good aura and is from village,advanced of cursed

its so nad

[charred drift]

where do you get these

man i want those too

[dusky perch]

no its teamless not villager

[charred drift]

so it is a role?

[dusky perch]

yes?

[charred drift]

Oh

so its an actual leak i thought it was edited

right here

[charred drift]

do you get these by being a tester?

[charred drift]

this role is kinda mid
its just surv with no protrctions

[dusky perch]

no its just get add in game files to be ready at time to test in sandbox

[charred drift]

is this there?

[frozen summit]

and where do you take them from?

the files?

[dusky perch]

from the app

[dusky perch]

no

[charred drift]

so is it a role

[frozen summit]

can you show where?

[charred drift]

how can you be so sure if its not in the game files

[steady quiver]

Wow killer fan ;-;

[charred drift]

theres only anarchist,ls,lurker.spy and judge there?

[dusky perch]

all roles

[charred drift]

unreleased

and whats harlot

[dark valve]

Red lady

[charred drift]

why

naming the role harlot woukd be better tbh

[dark valve]

A harlot visits people, a harlot is usually in mafia games to

[charred drift]

or just naming it escort

[humble current]

Fixed random roles braking row wars in custom

@tranquil comet its time

I will create a lobby and sit and wait

I got time

[tranquil comet]

screenshot the result when you get back

[fresh wren]

No wayyyy i hope this doesnt get added to game because i just got wwf

[humble current]

wwf better dw

[plush hollow]

Wwf >>>

[charred drift]

isnt lurker more complicated cursed

its like hh-fool and gr-lurker

[obsidian hound]

i want lurker even tho i own wwf, i do not like getting killed night 1 by a solo and i like helping evils

[dusky perch]

and no one knows if u were attacked or not

[charred drift]

@dusky perch (sorry for ping) is this gonna be released? is it in the ggame files? is it even real

[dusky perch]

no , no and no

its exactly same as lurker pfff

[charred drift]

but you previously said it is

[dusky perch]

no?

i mean lurker

[charred drift]

here

oh

[dusky perch]

thought you mean lurker

[rugged panther]

Farm wins

[marble remnant]

ppl considered that way too inapp

[rugged panther]

Win achievements boutta be maxed on psychofan

[visual bone]

lol

so

a role that sides with everyone, so no one really wants to kill them? and they just win for free?

[charred drift]

yes,it sucks

[visual bone]

sounds. . .weird

[rugged panther]

Psychofan that wins with fool

[marble remnant]

it feels like a reverse fool

[rugged panther]

Psychofan should be solo adv tbh

Not cursed

Actually idk

They dont affect votes in negative

So ig cursed is better placement

[marble remnant]

it says team village too which is def gonna be unclear
this is basically just how ppl play like hh half the time lol

i also find the name a bit random and unnecesary

[rugged panther]

As psychofan ill just claim day 1 and say i wont vote, yall got this

[visual bone]

afk xp farming the role

[tropic blade]

REVERSED FOOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

[visual flower]

if we win as every team

then they can't report us for helping solo or ww

[charred drift]

now THIS is lynchable fool

[rugged panther]

As gunner, vigi, and bully i will kill psychofan

I will every game kill them

[graceful violet]

Awesome role should be advance of fool ngl

[solar ravine]

Ah, lurker is rt winner

[grizzled hearth]

What's Lurker?

[next cedar]

Next cursed advanced

Joins whatever team attacks it

[frosty gorge]

If bandit attacks lurker then bandit will have 2 accomplices, making sense with the bandit's win icon where he has 2 accomplices behind him

[next cedar]

I mean lurker can never kill (unless forger gives it a sword ofc)

[frosty gorge]

I got it, so its like ww fan

[midnight whale]

So is Lurker just a changed version of Psychofan or are they both coming cause I just like a lot of new roles coming

[cinder oyster]

what that means cursed would have 4 roles to choose from

are they sure abt that

Thats also really boring 😭 forkman but u lose if u die once

[rigid yarrow]

THE MOTHER ROLE

ICON, MOTHER

[dawn parcel]

Pyschofan is a fanmade role and not actually confirmed so it will only be 3 in the future

[cinder oyster]

oh lmao

[fast oar]

[fast oar]

Yes

[frosty gorge]

What are all 3?

[rigid yarrow]

gr, wwfan and lurker

[frosty gorge]

I thought it was 3 new roles, not the cursed advanced roles , my mistake 😅

[dusky perch]

lets buff flagger and make him able to redirect abilities as well (like nightmare,revive,water,shot,sword,shield,lynch protection,ect....)

[marble remnant]

Let's not 🫥

[dusky perch]

[whole bolt]

I thought would be removed from 's advanced roles

[empty tree]

lol

[visual bone]

fr i'd like a testing on that

For the day you redirect everything to a player

[hardy birch]

waiting my role into the game 🤣

[tranquil comet]

me wondering what the next crazy mode will be 😱 the one by @solar ravine sounds interesting though. everyone turns into a different role that was the same team as their previous role at the start of each day

[solar ravine]

How u gonna say that when they didnt announce the winner yet 💀💀💀💀

[plush hollow]

What role did you create 👀

[hardy birch]

I send my role in rt

abominator

[plush hollow]

I will check on it

Seem like a good role I love it ! @hardy birch

[regal nova]

Wh

[tranquil comet]

i mean u were in the top 5 and your suggestion seems like the easiest to add

[solar ravine]

Top 5 of what?

[tranquil comet]

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[solar ravine]

Oh i forgot they already announce that

[toxic blade]

That's not correct, the ranking has nothing to do with the chance of your role being added to the game. It shows what the community thinks. Top 5 ideas may not be added if they aren't suitable for the game

[fast oar]

Pretty sure lurker will joins bandits , rk but for sect member it's prob vill

Team with insti

[knotty phoenix]

So, what happen if Lurker get attacked by forger' sword

[dusky perch]

village team

cupid cant kill

zombie cant bite lurker

[fast oar]

Can bandit attacks lurker by the conversion

[cloud cave]

I’m guessing lurker will just join village if attacked by forger sword?

Or am I wrong

[dusky perch]

cursed cant be zombie either

ask devs why

[knotty phoenix]

If it used by nonvillage?

[fast oar]

Still village

[dusky perch]

no

the attacker isnt forger so lurker will be team with who used sword

[fast oar]

Oh

[knotty phoenix]

Imagine fool used it

Or hh

[next cedar]

That would be the first time another person wins with fool

[dusky perch]

u cant win with fool/hh

2 fool shows same team for detective but only one can win if got lynched

rv roles different than evil roles

somehow wwf count villager

idk about forger sword but warden weapon turned lurker to village

[fast oar]

If cupid kills lurker then which team will lurker in

Village?

[dusky perch]

idk about forger sword but warden weapon turned lurker to village

yes

[half citrus]

bro stole fc's job smh