speculations

[fallow gyro]

i made this wikipage by myself, but then someone updated it with a grammatical error so i fixed that.

[next cedar]

And that’s what makes them great

[steady quiver]

fr fr

[tidal sable]

Also ww role icons are <3

Dragon storm ww goes hard

Wait that's voodoo

Nvm

[next cedar]

It’s a sea monster

[tidal sable]

It has wings and horns

[next cedar]

Well that’s what I see

[next cedar]

Oh like a sea monster has to look exactly like a fish

[tidal sable]

I'm just saying, never seen a sea monster that looks like that

[next cedar]

I have never seen a lime green dragon either, unless maybe its a sea dragon?

[tidal sable]

My brother in christ

[fallow gyro]

red riding conjuror, has gone to the forest, only to be attacked by the algrandpha! however, prince avengerious has saved red riding conjuror, only for ghost princess to see this and be shocked. ghost princess was so enraged she died. then comes the voodoo sea monster, which is trying to attack the both but the @marble remnant jelly wolf has saved both red riding conjuror and prince avengerious, avenging its life. they lived happily ever after.

[desert cove]

guys is the gold quests ig yet?

bc i saw someone finding ppl for their clan quests with a pic of the new bp gold quest today

[fallow gyro]

the gold quests are already ingame, you just have to wait for them to come.

[tropic blade]

ww insta win since d1

[fallow gyro]

season 2

@marble remnant jelly wolf has left the bestie group, only to befriend the new wolves, sea voodoo and grandphma. prince avengerious has also left the bestfriends group to find his ghost princess.

red riding conjuror finds two new friends: fairnalyst and mediurmaid. theyre on a battle once more with the three wolves.

the entire clan of wolves approach the red riding conjuror and her friends, so they battle. red riding conjuror goes first crushing the @marble remnant jelly wolf in pieces. shredded and dead. the red riding conjuror takes on grandphma, however she was clawed and the grandphma was stronger than her. the fairnalyst attacks grandphma, and addresses her magic onto grandphma. grandphma is far hypnotised and faints. the last werewolf, they both went together to do their ultimate attack! but it was too late, as sea voodoo had already casted a death bite. the werewolves won.

prince avengerious did not find his ghost princess 😦

@tropic blade

[desert cove]

ooh!

[coarse sedge]

Is there any role icon offer aside the easter one ?

[charred drift]

#dev-vote message when will this be released

its been 12 or something hours

[steady quiver]

Predictions
1- Bully
2- Spy
3- Honor Season
4- 25 players

[fallow gyro]

here are my theories

3 is a bit iffy tho

[steady quiver]

I really hope blind wolf gets in tho

[steady quiver]

Mhm I do hope achievement hiding and level hiding during games can be turned on

[charred drift]

i think 1 is about mute system

[dusky perch]

there is nothing called mute system

[charred drift]

there is

when muting ppl ig

[empty tree]

thats just the blocking player system that appeared looong agoo

[dusky perch]

^ that

[steep hinge]

1 must be bully rework

[charred drift]

i know,maybe it will be about that

bully will be priest advanced imo

[empty tree]

nuh uh

it will be vigi adv

with 1 more rock than before

[charred drift]

thats just delayed gunner then

?

[empty tree]

good at late game

[charred drift]

still a delayed gunner

[empty tree]

can say that lol

[steep hinge]

Bully was a bad concept, and still is

Marksman > Bully

[charred drift]

someone had suggested to change the name of bully

[empty tree]

to what?

[charred drift]

idk,they felt triggered because of a word

[empty tree]

lol

[willow zealot]

Ah, memories of the abbreviation saga

[charred drift]

https://discord.com/channels/414179354814185498/1072839612109693038

💀

[grizzled oxide]

Lmao i hope thats a joke

[charred drift]

they were serious

[grizzled oxide]

😭

[halcyon swift]

Bully is better than the other name

[charred drift]

people got offedned because of a game

How is bully encouraging bad but bomber and arsonist arent

[halcyon swift]

Hmm... What about "trouble maker"?

Or naughty child

[charred drift]

no that sucks

easy,dont be offended by a word ingame

[inland hare]

Perisher?

[vague heath]

1 is bully

3 is honor

Let's vote 2

[sharp karma]

Is 2 like an incognito mode so you hide all your stats?

[dusky perch]

its

[halcyon swift]

Let's go for spy >:)

[fast oar]

What spy

[sharp karma]

I don't think they'd put spy and bully apart from each other and it's almost confirmed blind ww and bully are coming

[steep hinge]

Pipsqueak?

[charred drift]

spy isnt that good imo

[sharp karma]

Spy is either broken or weak

Have been spy once, but was useless as aura did all work

I died before I could give proper info

[empty tree]

Spy only strong on first day if theres someone is killed

[whole falcon]

its hiding levels etc.

[empty tree]

imagine you got your lvl hidden but your wins and lost still there

[whole falcon]

well i think you can hide almost everything now

[empty tree]

idk

[whole falcon]

welcome in 2023
circus show fr

[charred drift]

people get offended by anything

[whole falcon]

people make drama about stuff i didnt even know existed

[lone spade]

Wouldnt agree

[charred drift]

wouldnt agree what? they do get offended

[lone spade]

The way it‘s phrased sounds like they get offended By things That arent actually offensive

And I wouldnt agree on that

[charred drift]

what do you mean?

[whole falcon]

people get offended by stuff that isn't offensive.

social justice warriors 🤡

[lone spade]

Depends how you view it. Some People don’t realize that they Stuff they said is actually Offensive

But I think that‘s a discussion for #off-topic

Or for my dms

[pseudo charm]

Yoooo 5x5

Epic

[solar ravine]

So, 5 ww 2 more rk i guess?

Zombie will shine in 25 players mode

[steady quiver]

"Day 30"

[solar ravine]

Your bio seems like me

😳

[steady quiver]

👀

[alpine kestrel]

Avatar items are better

[ashen flame]

What are the new advanced chapters coming next season?

[fast oar]

U mean roles?

[ashen flame]

Yes

[fast oar]

It's

[ashen flame]

is it good or not

[whole falcon]

it's good to bully people as the name suggests

[frozen summit]

not valid

:>

[fallow gyro]

the mystery reward is one of the most bottom outfits👀

[frozen summit]

I mean it doesn’t work for me

Is it because its a one-time use code?

[fallow gyro]

one time use

[frozen summit]

Sad

[dawn parcel]

Blind wolf looks so pretty

[feral saffron]

ngl, i was kind of hoping for jww role icon in new cal. all of its adv roles have one, but poor baby ww not 😩

[pseudo charm]

if they use the setup me and felneus recommended

then 6 ww 4 solo

15 village

2 of the solos are voting 1 solo killer and a converter like instigator or sect

[steady quiver]

Can only one person redeem it?

[fallow gyro]

Yes

[steady quiver]

F

Wtf

[fallow gyro]

Wait

[steady quiver]

Why are you always redeeming them

[fallow gyro]

no only 2 times

i got the code for cursed emerald and magical night

[steady quiver]

So apparently the buff would be that they could kill 1 person a night after both of their recruits have died. Wouldn't that just make them a with a good aura? That would really based but also kind of op ngl

[steady quiver]

I think is better than / but not sure if is better than /

[steady quiver]

buffed insti should have an unk aura imo, kinda like priest vs mm

[dusky perch]

a real p2w perk

[tropic blade]

tf?

fun fact this idea was already scrapped before

why even bring it back knowing itll either be straight useless or the most broken perk

devs i know you probably will not see this or choose to ignore it but if you dont want a wave of dumb feedback or complaints dont add this

useful against an early found couple, useful for wolfflu and against wolfflu

very niche, will be useless most of the times (assuming it doesnt make it to ranked) but when it does it will just be stupid

it wont require braincells, just "haha i boost player who votes evil"

or "haha i boost ww"

in a wolfflu game this perk can act like a gww shield if a ww dies d1 and wolves somehow manage to stay one vote away from majority

bad perk, remove if real, dont even consider if not

"last will" was too OP for a reason asw

[plush hollow]

it will be surely tested and may be it wont be released who knows 👀

and it's just spevculation

[tropic blade]

it doesnt even need testing

its like letting seer check twice every night

objectively better analyst but i can imagine devs making analyst base and seer advanced as they did with bh and trapper

[regal nova]

God please be an edit

[regal nova]

Bully prolly gonna be worse

[tropic blade]

bully is poop

[regal nova]

Eh

Wouldn't mind it being in a lovers gane

Game

As is

[whole falcon]

[whole falcon]

you really try to defend everything they do huh?
they could sell Pyramid schemes and you'd be here defendihg them.

[plush hollow]

If you re-read i say mostly fact 🤷‍♂️ instead to say i defend them, it will be better i think ^^

[whole falcon]

downplaying it equals defending it and it's not just in this case. you defend them everywhere and you never seem to have good arguments for it.

[plush hollow]

I don't down playing. Now if you wanna talk about it, we can move into my dms since here it's speculations not feedback channel.
I don't defend them for everything, you shouldnt assume those things when you don't know me and what i think. Thanks to understand !

[rugged panther]

Players just be sleeping 😴 everytime they mention bully

Bully gonna be slapping 😴

Two evils confirmed and u can prevent them from doing actions without revealing yourself

Yall just have the arguement that he doesnt kill instantly

[humble current]

Gunner: two evils confirmed and you can kill both of them

[rugged panther]

😴

[rugged panther]

Im not gonna be pulling out the powerpoint, yall can stay 😴

[humble current]

Took you two minutes of typing to say that

[rugged panther]

😴

[humble current]

You definitely typed up an essay then deleted it

[rugged panther]

Enjoying food

💀

Sorry for attending irl like most normal ppl

[humble current]

it's not about attending irl

it's about being unable to eat food without being on ur phone

Anyways

[rugged panther]

Im right handed, typing with my left hand on an iphone 14 pro max

[humble current]

weird flex but ok

[rugged panther]

Not like my old phone where i made the keyboard smaller and more accessible for one hand

[regal nova]

I'm sorry but pretty much everyone who says this is on copium

Like, it's their game, that doesn't mean all of the things they do are good, but it's still their game

[rugged panther]

If you take it as a flex 🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m just saying what is

[regal nova]

Ew

[rugged panther]

Who does that, am I right 🤣

[whole falcon]

i don't know what you are trying to tell me here.

[regal nova]

Tl;dr you're wrong

[whole falcon]

aha

[rugged panther]

Tbh i wouldn’t mind the voting in addition. I would prefer not to be p2w but idrc either way it goes. As long as it isn’t the old april fools joke with the killing gems 💀

Cool, although what i said still stands 🤧👀

[sharp karma]

Gentleman canni?

[grizzled oxide]

He eat people witout biting?

[humble current]

Just swallow whole

[grizzled oxide]

So then he aint cannibal

[steady quiver]

Reminds me of assassin

[forest thicket]

Good evening I just got this item in a chest, are there any new epic items ???

[steady quiver]

Amanda??!

[forest thicket]

I don't know if I'm in the right room, sorry in advance

[worn quest]

Yup

Here

[steady quiver]

Cute icon btw

Mr cannibal can still eat me?

[regal cobalt]

Omg AHAHAH lucky 😭

[steady quiver]

Oh yes the hair itself is new

[dusky perch]

But why only girl's hair

No one got boy hair

[next cedar]

3 cards away from having enough for bully

Nah worst case scenario I get gunner which I’d rather have over vig

Also the perks on the card are pretty good as well

It’s almost like all of them have their own use cases

Gunner faster but bully good for bullying rk

It stalls for time, counters shadow, using your rocks right you can interogate people more effectively even

Besides I think I can figure out more once I get it

[rugged panther]

Bully is counter for shadow

A direct counter

[steady quiver]

I think the best role for this update is blind ww

[rugged panther]

Lol, yeah shoot the only confirmed evil in shadow vote and random on a potential good player?

Bully prevents the confirmed evil from voting

And u have a safe lynch

Bully is literally a direct counter to shadow

Idkwym, please elaborate

Can somebody help me understand lol

Shadow is always used when a ww is revealed

[empty tree]

what if gunner used all bullets in early games? like bully has 4 rocks which can use slowly whereas gunner has 2 bullets that could waste really fast

[rugged panther]

Bully blocks voting

When a shadow is used, just hit the confirmed evil and u win vote

U dont kill the target, but the target cant vote either

[empty tree]

yes

[rugged panther]

Anyways, players are just sleeping on bully 😴

[empty tree]

imagine cpl ig...

[rugged panther]

Insti bully kinda op ngl

Until ww kill gunner the moment they shoot

Yes very “op”

[empty tree]

lol

[rugged panther]

jailer dies

Bully can help vill without revealing

[empty tree]

ngl i dont think i will upg another vigi card bc i had gunner but i still wonder about upgrading to bully or not

[rugged panther]

Either way, yall can keep 😴

Doesnt affect me

😴

[tranquil comet]

gunner is more risky, 1 shot can decide the whole match

[rugged panther]

I will be making bully gold

[empty tree]

bully can fix the mistake

[rugged panther]

I love that everytime a gunner shoots, they die the next night

Ww or solo kills them

Bully still has killing ability

[empty tree]

imagine when theres only you - fool - wolf/rk left

[rugged panther]

Anyw, id rather bully in game than gunner.

Bully direct counter to shadow ww

But like i said, yall can keep 😴

[steady quiver]

its really good if played right and really bad if played wrong

[tranquil comet]

its down to preference I’ll say, there are some games where village really needs a gunner but if village can afford to have a Bully then Bully can start being useful since the start of the game as if Bully chooses a suspicious villager, they are not punished for their mistake as much as a shot will

[steady quiver]

pretty risky

[tranquil comet]

bully’s problem is morality

thats what I worry about for the playerbase

[empty tree]

the random shooting

ayo

[tranquil comet]

people will swear and complain when getting hit by early rocks

[rugged panther]

Bully has 4 rocks, more chances of making a play

Anyw

Ima let u guys 😴

Gtg

[tranquil comet]

you can’t afford to not rock anyone early

you have to start throwing rocks from day 1 for maximum utility

[rugged panther]

I pebble players for my own amusement, bc im not random killing

[tranquil comet]

you won’t even survive a day

im coming for you

[rugged panther]

The blind ww got pebbled to the eye and came back to vill for vengeance

[tranquil comet]

actually it is lore

the seer threw rocks at the wolf seer

and the wolf seer got blinded

but the wolf seer got its redemption arc and became the blind ww

[rugged panther]

Blind ww grinning bc he cant wait to gain his revenge

[tranquil comet]

blind ww has twice the chance to check seer n1

so for casual players they’ll rejoice

and for serious players then

[rugged panther]

Wdym

Blind ww is adv of wolf seer, just like ana adv of seer

[tranquil comet]

is a very strong village core

but they can be picked off quickly

the anti medium starter pack

[rugged panther]

Id still rather use sorc over wolf seer and blind ww. It goes sorc > blind ww (only bc early game checks) > wolf seer

[rugged panther]

I dont see wwb or shadow

anti everything wolf pack

[tranquil comet]

shadow doesnt always work D1 and not used on medium often

blind ww -> check medium
junior ww -> tag medium d1
nightmare ww -> no revive
trickster ww -> u can’t revive

[rugged panther]

Guys but hear me out, 4 wf wins the voting phase no matter what, if one doesnt die

[tranquil comet]

the has a secret trick up their sleeve

[rugged panther]

Even if one dies day 1, they tie votes the next day

[tranquil comet]

becomes

💀

[rugged panther]

Or conj

Ill use conj, so goodluck with anti med pack on me

[tranquil comet]

nah conj will also get destroyed by that wolf composition

only ritu will survive

[rugged panther]

Not if jailer or gunner dies first

😂

[tranquil comet]

if u check ritu n1 its a useless kill
if u tag ritu its also a useless kill
if u nightmare ritu it does nothing
and ritu can revived tricked person

[tranquil comet]

true

ritualist counters itself

a lot ig

[cursive brook]

Between 4 and 24

Idk. Probably like 8? Thinking that it would still be a fourth of the lobby?

[rugged panther]

I think it would need more maybe

Bc there are a lot of different killer villagers

And protectors

And informers

Need more than just 1/4 lobby evil

[fading fern]

Good evening @cursive brook 🙃

[cursive brook]

8 is a third

[cursive brook]

Haven't gone to sleep yet

[rugged panther]

8 would be more balanced

[fading fern]

Hehe i will soon so good night in advanched

[cursive brook]

Realistically it would be like 7 and maybe some curseds or cupids/advanceds

[tranquil comet]

#speculations message

something like this maybe?

15 / 6 / 4 (2 / 1 / 1) would be my preference

[quick marsh]

can somebody explain what does? im kinda late

[tranquil comet]

yeah something like that

[quick marsh]

is it that bad

[tranquil comet]

he can throw 4 rocks, the first rock will completely immobilize the person, making them unable to speak, vote or use any abilities, the second time u throw a rock at them, they die

[quick marsh]

is it only for a day and night? or the whole game

[tranquil comet]

1 day and night

[quick marsh]

ah

it sounded op for a moment

[tranquil comet]

well it is phase dependant so it isn’t as strong as i say it is

if u throw a rock in voting

it blocks them in voting and night

and if u throw in discussion

[quick marsh]

true 🗿

[tranquil comet]

it blocks in discussion and voting

[quick marsh]

oh so 2 phases

naw gunner still better

[tranquil comet]

throwing a rock in discussion is probably the safer option if u don’t want to risk blocking an important night ability

otherwise throwing a rock in voting time can be more lethal

[quick marsh]

if ur randoming then yeah

but then again, why would you shoot a confirmed ww if you van just lynch

[steady quiver]

Bully is just a safer option
Gunner is still stronger ye

[tranquil comet]

well we have whats called a guardian ww

and a shadow ww

and also a

[quick marsh]

oh right

i completely forgot

bully is the biggest counter to those 3 😳

lmao i expect a lot of bully trolls

don't mind me casually shooting med 🗿

[tranquil comet]

yeah thats why i say biggest problem is morality

u have to start throwing rock from day 1 for maximum utility

but it doesn’t mean u have to kill before day 3

since u can throw rock at different people

and then throw a rock at them again when ur sure they need to die

[quick marsh]

well i have neither gunner nor bully so far so let's see which one i get 🤷🏿‍♂️

[quick marsh]

tbh it needs more rocks since its extremely slow

[tranquil comet]

the fact that its slow means it doesn’t matter how many rocks u give it

but it makes up for it with roleblocking

[quick marsh]

yes

[tranquil comet]

you can’t simply random a guy as gunner cuz he’s acting suspicious

but u can throw a rock at him for sure

[rugged panther]

Yus

I pebble players just bc i can

It’s canon, ww don’t like bully

[tranquil comet]

they should be thanking you that they’re still alive 💀 and for two whole phases they have to wait until they can say it to your face lmao

just rock them first and then ask their role later cuz they know the second rock is gonna kill them

that guy could’ve been shadowing, saving their teammates, controlling other villagers, until u randomly showed up and shoved a rock down their throat

in any case your rock delayed their action

and you didn’t have to “randomly kill” them

eh lets give the current bully 2 months out in the open and we’ll see afterwards

[rugged panther]

😴

[tranquil comet]

yeah they’re coming

[rugged panther]

😴

More like 2 days

[tranquil comet]

cuz the main changes come at the start of every battlepass

[rugged panther]

Every “battlepass” became popularized from fortnite 💀

Keyword “popularized”

A lot of games didnt have battlepass until fortnite made it a popular thing

Ever since then, so many games that come out have bp

But yeah, some games before fortnite had bp

It wasnt popular tho until fortnite had its own

Season one was barely a bp💀

It was just literally a season 1 store

Fortnite defo overrated

[steady quiver]

Wdym overrated

Anyway cant wait for blind wolf

[rugged panther]

Blind ww overrated

The amount of people i see constantly saying ill never upgrade my wolf cards bc i dont like ww, now filling the chat with “can’t wait for blind ww” 😂😂

I think the ppl forgot that they dont like ww

[steady quiver]

Kinda ye

Just wanted something new really

[rugged panther]

Wolffluencer, flagger, bully, butcher, bell ringer

?

[steady quiver]

U asking this abt overrated or what?

[rugged panther]

.

[steady quiver]

Eh some of them are too strong to be fun

[rugged panther]

I agree, nerf bell ringer

[empty tree]

nerf br for what

[next cedar]

They just have weak opinions in general

[regal nova]

Is this a joke,

?

We have

And you say to nerf ?

[empty tree]

dude... stop nerfing astro. It has suffered enough

[solar ravine]

And flagger

[empty tree]

flagger is balanced yea

[tranquil comet]

maybe if it lost in a 1v1 against RK you could say that

theres also a bug where the “an attack was redirected by the flagger” doesn’t show up, good bug to put flagger in its place

[empty tree]

then that bug needs to be fixed eck

[tranquil comet]

nah

it can stay that way

[empty tree]

lmao

[inland hare]

game lagging?

[fading fern]

Buff alch instead

[empty tree]

with le fake potion sure

[solar ravine]

Tbh, skill issue

[rugged panther]

Yes 😂 why tf would this be serious

[rugged panther]

Any opinion against you = “weak.” Very narcissistic of you 👍

[rugged panther]

The original astro I liked best. It just delayed everything by one night

[empty tree]

facts

[rugged panther]

Flagger doesnt lose 1v1?

Lol thats a bit broken

Especially when jailer does

[regal nova]

I hope you forgot /s

[regal nova]

Especially here

It's a guaranteed save + reveal

[empty tree]

haha

[regal nova]

Plus a kill

It has the same level of influence as gunner

With a higher net expectancy

[vocal imp]

It has to die

[empty tree]

then lemme make Storm dies too

also Wolffluencer

[dusky perch]

Storm already dead

[empty tree]

no its not

[dusky perch]

Yes its

[empty tree]

its still alive in game

[dusky perch]

No useful ability

Being nww better

[empty tree]

= real ded

[next cedar]

It’s not that it’s that you get so stubborn on them even if 5 people disagree with you

[abstract grail]

Someone explain? on 1?

[agile basin]

On May 1st

[prime pagoda]

When you use the perk exchange voucher is it possible to get unlimited tailsman?

[fringe shard]

Yes

[prime pagoda]

Thanks (prob low chance or just my luck is bad)

[fading fern]

Exactly

[lost parrot]

New Role Next Season?

[fast oar]

No

[lost parrot]

Up from what role?

[fast oar]

Vigi

[dim trout]

Why ? He is finally... somewhat useful. Also leave poor alone, he didn't got mercy already ;-;.

[torpid sparrow]

Stop alr suffered enaugh 😭

[prime pagoda]

yes what is why I want it on the roles that I play more

[stable agate]

Once I had trouble with this, because all common cards was with unlimited talismans💀. And I wasn’t ready to use them to update each other

[steady quiver]

I think the new roles will be

[fast oar]

It is

[steady quiver]

But and maybe need nerf

[steady quiver]

O it is

[fresh wren]

Astro and forger should both be

Ngl

[steady quiver]

Agreed, I feel like they should maybe give witch two heal potions and merge to (cuz u have to migrate the base)

[steady quiver]

Surely role cards are in the rewards 🙏🙏🙏

[charred drift]

dude

[jolly pilot]

You are not the first person to suggest this, nor are you the first person to be wrong

[charred drift]

wny do people wanna neef astro its bad

witch and forger are better

witch is 1 kill 1 heal forger is 1 kill 2 delayed heal astro is 1 kind of heal and they die when they use it on villager

[jolly pilot]

Astro is stronger than Witch

Don't random kill. There. Problem solved

[regal nova]

info is in the level of seer
influence level is that of gunner

And is almost fine, just remove it's notification

[jolly pilot]

No way in hell NWM has the info level of Seer. More like Aura

And Witch has the same influence Gunner has in that case

[regal nova]

Nah

Witch's save isn't a given

Like gunner's 2nd bullet or nwm's save

And both are proven

Unlike witch

[dim trout]

Idk... i don't think he would give any such a great info considering he lose infinite protection.
Bro what. He is literally worse witch 💀

[regal nova]

Is this a joke

[dim trout]

No

[jolly pilot]

NWM definitely has good info, but not Seer level

[regal nova]

is only "nerfed" by the fact that evils can't be trusted to be compitent in casual modes

[jolly pilot]

And Astronomer is in a good place

[regal nova]

Solves the game super early

[regal nova]

Astro is vroken

[jolly pilot]

Not particularly

[dim trout]

Not really

[regal nova]

Yes?

It's save is a guaranteed +1 material on demand

[jolly pilot]

Would you rather it go back to making wolves and solos sleeping for the night

[regal nova]

AND IT HAS A NOTIFICATION

[regal nova]

I'd rather it not be broken

🥱

It consistwntly is on the level of gunner

[jolly pilot]

It's fine where it is. I've won and lost playing with Astro

No nerfs are needed

[regal nova]

Losing with astro is a skill issue

Always

Unless your team is just baf

Or you died n1

[dim trout]

can protect ppl from rk and any missshot doesn't punish
literally can't stop rks and dies if he does missshot.

[regal nova]

Why does it make a difference who the save is agaibst

It's +1 material for village regardless

[dim trout]

Astro is situational

[regal nova]

No

[dim trout]

Only good in kww or bersek games

[regal nova]

It's a free save n2

[dim trout]

[regal nova]

So?

Why does it matter who the save is against

[dim trout]

rk still can kill anyone

[regal nova]

And ww van't

Your point?

[dim trout]

Astro is bad in terms of protection

[regal nova]

No

[dim trout]

Yes

[jolly pilot]

No

[regal nova]

It's a direct upgrade from witch

Witch has like a 1/10 chance of saving

Astro has a guaranteed save

Why would it matter who it's against

It's +1 material AND provable

By pressing a button

[dim trout]

Then save the seer from rk, while doc is dead using

[jolly pilot]

Witch has a much higher chance of saving if you pay attention to the game

[regal nova]

Not against compitent evils

Which, i suppose yall wouldn't know a lot abt

[jolly pilot]

Though I do agree that Astro not stopping Solo is good

[dim trout]

Honestly... you kinda overrate

[jolly pilot]

Disagree

[regal nova]

Again
That's why it's closer to than

How many times do I have to say this

[jolly pilot]

What if they put it under Priest

[regal nova]

Is that a joke?

[jolly pilot]

Indeed

[regal nova]

Okay, lemme clue you in:

RRV

• Provable without any caveat on demand
  = Problem

[dim trout]

I conclude my opinion: Astro good as it is. Idc about notifications, they can remove it from my side.

[jolly pilot]

With the addition of Sheriff, it's even less likely now to get Witch, let alone Astro

[regal nova]

So?

Your point?

You got as rrv, you won

[jolly pilot]

I think I've had ONE rrv Astro in the past month

I still disagree with your points though. I just don't see it

[regal nova]

How

[dim trout]

? I thought gunner is

[regal nova]

I mean (same diff tbh)

[dim trout]

I still rather choose or than

[jolly pilot]

I mean, Astro has missed the last two updates, change wise. Methinks the devs think it's in a good place

[regal nova]

At least you aren't taking the free-win button

[regal nova]

And i'm saying this wouldn't be the first time they've been wrong

[dim trout]

Well... i usually choose so i already feel it.

[regal nova]

Lol

[jolly pilot]

I'm convinced you lost a game you were about to win as a wolf because of Astro and you have a vendetta against it

[regal nova]

I mean at least you usually have to try as insti

[regal nova]

I've hated new moon since before it was added to the gamr

It's literally toxic

[cursive brook]

I do it out of principle more than anything. Astro just boring.

[jolly pilot]

Ah yes. A one night event that blocks only one faction, while another faction can still kill, is toxic

[regal nova]

-Proven ability usage
-No counter-play
-On demand

Yea that's pretty toxic to me

[jolly pilot]

Kill the Astro before they can do it

[regal nova]

You mean before n2?

[jolly pilot]

Just like a Witch

Or a Priest

Or any other role

[regal nova]

Or gunner

🤦🏽‍♂️

Like what's ur point there

[jolly pilot]

Yes. Gunner is ONE role of many that falls under there too

[regal nova]

This doesn't help your point

It's quite literally null

[jolly pilot]

It shows you're singling out Gunner

[regal nova]

Because it's closest to gunner

In strength

[jolly pilot]

Now that I do think about it, Astro does seem to have more in line with Priest

Considering it's kill parameters

Look, clearly we aren't gonna get anywhere. Agree to disagree

[regal nova]

Gunner's abilities:

Bullet +1/-1
Bullet +1/-1

Astro abilities

New moon +1
Meteor +1/-2

[jolly pilot]

Okay

[dim trout]

Consider

Bc they still can kill

[regal nova]

How does that effect those numbers remotely?

And moreover

Why are ww letting proven witch live?

[jolly pilot]

Why would a killer let an astro live

[regal nova]

Why is astro not activating d1?

You see my point?

[jolly pilot]

Because that's a waste

[dim trout]

Pointless?

[regal nova]

Hoq

[tranquil comet]

yep as rkvk says as soon as u press new moon u win

[regal nova]

^

Finally someone based

Oh shit my dc role got upgraded

[dim trout]

Berserk can delay his frenzy later.

[regal nova]

So?

It's still +1

[dim trout]

Or not if frenzy happens and kills protectors

[regal nova]

Again

[tranquil comet]

ww missing even 1 kill puts them at a disadvantage, and astro can do that without even thinking

[regal nova]

You still get the night with no wolf kl

[dim trout]

But doing d1 new moon is pretty much pointless.

[regal nova]

How?

It's +1 village

[tranquil comet]

i mean what would make everyone happy is just give back the original astro but even then I’m still not happy with it

its just a fundamentally bad concept

[regal nova]

^

[regal nova]

Original concept was cool but they went in the wrong direction entirely

Just make a 2nd voting session, but if anyone dies from then to end of night, their role is hidden

[steady quiver]

true

[lost parrot]

What time will the update come?

[empty tree]

after this bp ends

[fast oar]

Next Thursday

[limpid zephyr]

Yeah I don't like , even if it is a easy win for yourself it is to broken, but the old was at least balanced because villager had disadvantge as well

[regal nova]

I mean...

It's basically but a bullet instead of a 2nd vote at that point but

[humble current]

Delete astro

[charred drift]

hope they add this #feedback-devs message

for the next update

[humble current]

That suggestion is really vague

To me, it reads as "block rk too"

[lost parrot]

Is the new season coming Thursday?

[charred drift]

yes

block everyone

it harms every team

[humble current]

what about vill

[vocal imp]

Ok storm is already dead lol

[empty tree]

trust me that if that happened, remove the delay of convertation of kww

[charred drift]

what delay

[empty tree]

you know when kitten die after astro activated new moon?

[charred drift]

yes?

[empty tree]

yea it got delayed till next night

[charred drift]

well now it wont

[empty tree]

good

thats even better

[solar ravine]

Kww conversion bypass astro

New test role when

[empty tree]

if that happened on new rework of astro, im out

[opaque mulch]

That's already how it's working Astro's ability only prevents killing, conversion isn't killing

[opaque mulch]

This only happens when kitten dies during the night and it's unrelated to astro

[empty tree]

yea and i thought about berserk frenzy too but i think it wont work if new moon on right?

[dusky perch]

yes its will be wasted

[dusky perch]

• kitten conversion dont have time as its say the next wws vote without mention next time or after 2 night

[empty tree]

just moon on and next night theres still frenzy or?

[dusky perch]

no its will go

[empty tree]

cool

[flint skiff]

when is the new update ? the bp ？

[agile basin]

This battle pass ends on May 2nd, so most likely update arrived that day along with battle pass

[humble current]

Delete astro

[humble current]

it's never been consistent

last time it was the day after, and the time before that was exactly when the pass ended

[agile basin]

Yeah, was just a suposition. Is true that they did a change onced. It can be a reference, though

[tranquil comet]

the dev stated tuesday so we can expect it there

[humble current]

Source?

nvm found the source #speculations message

[dusky perch]

its end 1st*

about 6h

[rugged panther]

Because I voice my opinion? Like the whole point of giving role ideas is for a discussion. I don’t tell others off and say their opinion is irrelevant.

[agile basin]

Are you sure?

Battle pass quests end in 31 hours

When it says 1 day, it is 1 day and X hours, if they didn't change it

[dusky perch]

oh ops i saw the weekly challenges xD

😭

[next cedar]

You may have just proved my point here

[agile basin]

Hahaha, it's okay!

[rugged panther]

As the same to you 👍

[next cedar]

I never said I wasn’t, two arguements don’t have to be exclusive

[rugged panther]

Either way, this is a discord over a mobile game bro 🤣 try to be a little less tense

I don’t take the players in game serious, and it’s similar to the dc, but opinions matter so 🤷🏽‍♂️ im just chillin

[fluid nebula]

Isnt 1st of may?

[agile basin]

I don't think so, 28h left for battle pass challenges

[fluid nebula]

True

[dusky perch]

why dont keep it and every season new frame :\

[visual bone]

yeah except you have a cooldown

and you can misdirect into a good person

what

tf you talking about

youre not really doing anything though if you redirect from a villager and kill a villager

its just a neutral trade

[humble current]

flagger ain't op at all

it's bh with a different mechanic that's all

bh has infinite killing potential

infinite saving potential

doesn't even need to know who the ww is

flagger needs to know that

[visual bone]

you have your cooldown for flag too

yeah its what makes flagger be desirable over bh

[humble current]

flagger you can kill your cc but that's about all

[visual bone]

its simple

the role has more power and more potential

but it has way more room for mistakes

if you put every role to maximum potential everything will need to be nerfed

its the same as flag?

they both have the same cooldown

why are we even discussing this here

this is the room for talking about upcoming changes, not discussing nerfs

or did a flagger nerf get leaked

[humble current]

there's nothing about flagger

mr. cannibal just wanted to hate over a good role

[visual bone]

then yeah, not the place for this

it was arguably too good when it didnt have a cooldown

now its just good

[humble current]

ok what do you think of trapper

Bruh 💀

"Beast hunter express: not too op
Flagger: wtf pls nerf"

[visual bone]

and thats how you make no one play flag

cause killing rk makes it unique, + you have to redirect the rk attack into the rigth person

oh you want the role nerfed cause you cant play around it

that makes sense

[humble current]

attacking flagger isn't as scary as people imagine it to be

chances are, if the flagger is selfish, they're bad

😄

[visual bone]

upsides and downsides for all of those roles

[humble current]

I kill the ww by putting a trap then sleeping
I kill the ww by putting multiple traps then sleeping
I kill anyone I think is sus, could be anything so I have to pay attention to who's evil and who's getting attacked

[visual bone]

how many games have you seen post-flagger nerf where flagger gets all of their kills into bad people

cause i havent

if you want to nerf a role based on the best case scenario you could start by removing one arrow from mm, but the role is fine aint it

just like how flag is fine

christ

wdym flagger saves fast

its the same time window as bh

[humble current]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-wojak-crying-angry-wojak-pink-wojak-raging-gif-23569754

[visual bone]

nono, lets take the maximum potential of bh

trap active on n2 kills

trap active on n4 kills

possible trap for n6 kills if the game isnt over

wow thats so strong

[humble current]

do the maths right at least

[regal nova]

???

Flagger has speed

But with cooldown

And no save n1

[visual bone]

flag has a cooldown, bh has a cooldown

[humble current]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-emoji-funny-emoji-why-gif-20325239

[regal nova]

You're missing the point; the startup is a better way to measure the speed

Unless you assume bh saves ecery time it's active

[visual bone]

yeah its the same term you threw around 12 times

[regal nova]

^

[visual bone]

yeah go ahead and suggest that

see what you'll get

[humble current]

it's sarcasm

[regal nova]

It was sarcasm

[visual bone]

im well aware

[regal nova]

Not doing a good job of making that clear

[regal nova]

Esp when you say this

[visual bone]

thats on me then

[tranquil comet]

well think this way, can use both redirections at night 4 at the earliest, assuming it has an accurate redirection night 2 when lots of people are alive. doctor also doesn’t save more than 1 person per game either

yeah i am nub for not being able to save 2 or more people as doctor

i know that lol u think i am just new player

@visual bone @regal nova

how often do u save multiple people as doctor

[visual bone]

rarely

[tranquil comet]

if you save yourself as flagger its like saving yourself as BH, you won’t be trusted unless you’ve already redirected once

the problem is only that it can survive for so long doing so

which means more often that flagger can 1v1 RK and win

it shouldn’t win in 1v1 if u ask me

should be auto loss like gl and jailer

it does

cuz theres a message

but good news right now

sometimes the message doesn’t show up

i know its a bug but it should be a feature

u just have early claim then when u get the redirect then you say you did it

man its not that hard

no because u redirected the attack to your cc

cuz they’re probably lying

[visual bone]

ive had a flagger redirect to me once after i cc their flagger claim (we were both flagger)

[humble current]

no you cc whenever

because it is temporary alive rights

[tranquil comet]

I don’t blame them, its very logical

[visual bone]

i wasnt mad, but it was funny

[tranquil comet]

to prevent the scenario above

u said your cc says “no i did it”

but if you claimed and they never cc

they cannot say it anymore

firstly you’re a scapegoat so ww killing you helps village clear a sus villager without asking and secondly if you are so desperate to stay alive you can of course save yourself, granted its selfish but u don’t die

also since flagger is unknown

9 times out of 10 your cc is rk

so if they kill you they’re basically shooting themself in the foot

well yes u don’t have to challenge the flagger

but I’m saying its hard to challenge the flagger

[visual bone]

with your inhumane ability of being rigth on 100% of your guesses then just redirect the next nigth into them, its that easy

[tranquil comet]

we know you want to nerf flagger so more, me too

well then that means it shouldn’t redirect RK attacks in general, just ww

since the only way to kill RK is to use its own attack against it

sure if its possible im down

[visual bone]

i wonder how you play if youre getting that wrecked by flag

[tranquil comet]

i feel like it becomes more of a problem in endgame than anything

and because it can counter some rks but gets countered by other rks

arso

prime example

[visual bone]

arso bb

alch

[humble current]

dont act sus

[visual bone]

you want canni to go through prots too?

[humble current]

and you won't get redirected into

it's that simple

[visual bone]

yeah

if you got into a 1v1 with flag then honestly, thats on you

[tranquil comet]

it can go through protections if u know priorities

[humble current]

i mean chances are, if you're canni and in 1v1 with flagger, you will have already triggered their flag

[tranquil comet]

if you have 2 stacks, say doc protects seer, if you choose doc, then seer, they both die

[visual bone]

focus them down

or wait for a wolf to use their prot

[tranquil comet]

or jailer then gunner

depends on what interpretation u want

[visual bone]

if youre not silent and not sus then you shouldnt fear flag

[humble current]

Ok go complain about

[tranquil comet]

I agree with his suggestion about RK though, the flagger rk interactions does need some looking into

[tranquil comet]

yeah this guy doesn’t protect people when he avenges does he

[humble current]

he does

it's called bait 😄

[visual bone]

its not tooooooooooo far away

[tranquil comet]

i complained already about jww having a tag when it is quite literally the last ww

[visual bone]

its better

[humble current]

I got a question

@steady quiver do you have flagger

[visual bone]

but if you want adv roles to not be better you have a thousand other roles to look into and idk why youre hounding down flag so much

[tranquil comet]

I have flagger too, we both say its still a tad bit strong to be an RRV

[visual bone]

literally the only role tree that is balanced is med's

maybe shadow too now that i think about it

[tranquil comet]

I would say its slightly stronger than MM which is also a commonly debated RRV

[tranquil comet]

I’ve found different ways to use every form of Medium which is very nice

well since u like to complain about RK having an unfair chance

heres a guy to talk about

[humble current]

[tranquil comet]

so then

you’re not a villager?

[humble current]

rip recruits

[visual bone]

how many times did you post that single screenshot

and did you post it on every channel yet or are you striving for it

[tranquil comet]

@steady quiver oh yeah more about your flagger rant

you said its possible to cc a flagger correct?

guys whats up im butcher and i can protect 2 people every night

bg on me easy peasy

[visual bone]

whats with the organs

[tranquil comet]

we’ve decided are all very balanced villagers, we are now giving 3 lives, gets 3 mutes, can tag 2 players at once and can summon lightning to kill a player which will then randomly freeze 2 other villagers and there will be 2 night phases

[humble current]

[tranquil comet]

smh skill issue

[visual bone]

what about wwf having a nigth voting where they kill separately

[tranquil comet]

you’re hired

[visual bone]

c:

[tranquil comet]

berserk can kill 14 doctors so

[visual bone]

op

[tranquil comet]

very good idea to counter the berserk

they removed it cuz it was too good

they should add night werewolf frfr

[visual bone]

when do we get nigth watchwolf (can see whos protected)

[tranquil comet]

ikr!!!! why only village gets to know who is protected

[coarse wolf]

When is the BP ending? In 4 hours?

[tranquil comet]

bro is cooking

[visual bone]

bp ending in 27 hours

[coarse wolf]

It says 1 day

It does not specify if it is today or tomorrow

[visual bone]

6?

thursday

the one after monday

thats when the new one starts

but the bp itself should last 27 hours

[dusky perch]

#off-topic

[marble remnant]

sigh. nowhere is safe from cringe in this server.

[quartz void]

#discord-reporting-old-2025 is a hotspot

[regal nova]

Fr

[stable agate]

Ееее…

Icon is funny

[marble remnant]

meh im not scared for out of context report
there was a lot of offtopic gif spam post here, im not regretting calling those cringe.

[quartz void]

Ok bro

[cinder oyster]

Wrong chat lmaoo

[calm nimbus]

No

[primal panther]

A reminder for everyone of Rule 4. Please be respectful of other members and players. Also Rule 6

[silver marten]

6. Stay on topic and use the texts channel as they are intended. If you find yourself in a conversation that is not about the channel’s specific purpose, move to the correct text channel. Speak English in all main channels. Any bot commands in other channels will be removed and you will be told to go to #bot-commands. #wov-chat for stuff about Wolvesville and #off-topic for anything else. Memes go in #meme, bugs in #bugs-readonly etc.

[calm nimbus]

What are the new roles added in the fairy update?

[next cedar]

Tbh at this point just wait for #dev-vote message

[whole bolt]

[calm nimbus]

Thanks, not good role options tho :/

[half citrus]

bww still good tho

and rockman bully is going to buff

[rugged panther]

Both are good

[ashen flame]

New Season New Role Come Tomorrow?

[fallow gyro]

https://wolvesville.fandom.com/wiki/Season_30

[dim trout]

Different experiences. I find less threatening than a witch.

[calm nimbus]

I dont like it tbh it's kinda forgetable

[dim trout]

I kinda want bww

I don't like 's mechanic

[half citrus]

yeah, i got skill issues at faking

[calm nimbus]

Astro gets confirmed save and proves himself day 1, and even if the kill is more risky, I'd say 80% of the time astro kills an evil player

I like sorcerer cause it's more fun

[half citrus]

just mark two players and resign💀

[regal nova]

Any not getting both their abs off has a huge skill issue

Unless they die before n2

[dim trout]

I have more question to this, but fine.

[calm nimbus]

Yeah but you can fake easier, and idk why tf you would resign after two marks but ok

[regal nova]

Better comms,

?

[half citrus]

skill issue

[dim trout]

To communicate?

[regal nova]

Obviously?

[half citrus]

and communicate

[dim trout]

Keep in mind... is also

[calm nimbus]

Yeah, but you dont really need communication especially if you dont have more info, checking a few more people is more important I think

Also the other informers see you as good so that's a big advantage

[half citrus]

your winning ratio counting matters

[calm nimbus]

?

[half citrus]

oh wait does sorc count ww win ratio

[calm nimbus]

Yrs

Yes

[half citrus]

after the buff

[calm nimbus]

It always did

[half citrus]

it cant before

[dim trout]

I still don't like .

[calm nimbus]

Ah ok

[half citrus]

when it was unused

[calm nimbus]

But yeah there is more advantage to saying sorcerer than to immediately transform

[dim trout]

And some disadvantages

[calm nimbus]

Only one

That you cant speak with the werewolves

[dim trout]

Info delay

[calm nimbus]

Nah

Cause you need info first

The advantages are still better than the disadvantages imo

[regal nova]

Should be a third party like

[calm nimbus]

Ww fan isnt third party

[dim trout]

We can do this "argument" forever, because everyone has different opinions about roles.

[calm nimbus]

It's ww team

Ww fan is a cursed that is always ww team

[next cedar]

Wwfan is considered part of the third party category like cursed, as simple as that

That doesn’t stop it from being a ww

[calm nimbus]

But it's not

[calm nimbus]

Then it's not third party

It's like if you added regular werewolf to the "other" role list, it's still a ww

[next cedar]

Okay go add wwfan to rww then and see how that works out

[calm nimbus]

I dont get the argument but ok

It doesnt need to be in the random ww category to be a ww

[next cedar]

Then what category would it be in

[calm nimbus]

Other role

[next cedar]

Aka the third party category

[calm nimbus]

Like I said if it's in the third party category it doesnt mean it's third party

[next cedar]

So you’re saying that just because hh is in the rv category its not actually a voting role bc it can be village

[calm nimbus]

Bro

Werewolf fan is always a werewolf

Even when not converted

[dim trout]

[next cedar]

Wwfan is always a furry, not always a wolf

[calm nimbus]

[dim trout]

is not until not attacked.

[solar ravine]

Imagine 25 players mode doesn't allow role cards

[calm nimbus]

It literally says in the description you are a werewolf

I fr cant anymore

[calm nimbus]

Sorcerer is still ww team even if he isnt ww until he resigns

[calm nimbus]

I think it will have fixed advanced roles, maybe not role cards sadly

[calm nimbus]

And?

It is still a werewolf

You cannot argue otherwise

[dim trout]

Not officially

[calm nimbus]

It is

Wdym by not officially anyways

You are still part of the werewolf team

[dim trout]

Then good luck to turn to werewolf if all ww dies. 👍

[calm nimbus]

Then what team is werewolf fan when not turned?

[solar ravine]

Ww fan cant win with werewolves at first release

If not converted

[calm nimbus]

Ye but we talking about now

[solar ravine]

Yeah it was more like a third party role at first release

But dev dont want to delete wwfan

[calm nimbus]

Now it is strictly a werewolf, if you are helping village as ww fan you are throwing lol

[solar ravine]

It replace cursed

[fast oar]

[calm nimbus]

I dont get the point but ok

[dim trout]

[solar ravine]

Its still a third party role

[calm nimbus]

No

Then what team is it on

[solar ravine]

Wwfan not fully converted