speculations

[torpid sparrow]

Bruh

[visual bone]

med will have 3 with this update

[vocal imp]

Gunner also has 3 lol

[torpid sparrow]

Gunner aalr has 3

[visual bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[torpid sparrow]

They better not be aaddinf 4th

[vocal imp]

Nah they probably wont

[torpid sparrow]

X doubt

[dawn parcel]

At least the med icon isnt disappointing

[torpid sparrow]

Watch them release summor skins for role cards

[vocal imp]

No rework
L update (jk)

[torpid sparrow]

And icons will be and

[vocal imp]

is probably being added but what villager would be nice to add between ( )

[modest mural]

No spy pls worst role for test time

[torpid sparrow]

[vocal imp]

I hope judge tbh

[vocal imp]

Literally a provable but slow bg

[torpid sparrow]

Im rooting for bully

[modest mural]

Ls should being adv of doc and nwm should being base role for butcher

[vocal imp]

Either judge or bully imo

[torpid sparrow]

Judge is kinda op

Its like second gunner thaat can be rrv

[vocal imp]

Meh as good as mm (just give wwf immunity and make fool win from execution)

[vocal imp]

Pretty much mm

[torpid sparrow]

2nd one will be brutal lol

[torpid sparrow]

Mm takes time

So what if

[vocal imp]

That's why fool should win from execution to balance them

[torpid sparrow]

Judge could only select at night after a successfull prosecution

[dawn parcel]

probably

[dusky perch]

i dont see any change for Illu

[steep hinge]

Locksmith pls

[dusky perch]

locksmith will come for sure

[tranquil comet]

locksmith is confirmed really? 💀

ok there is one upside

only one

this means BG gets 3 advances -> move to tree ( ➡️ )

[modest mural]

İs we sure for blind wolf

[dusky perch]

no but suddenly description changed a bit

[tranquil comet]

oh

hmm

[dusky perch]

no other wolf came for testing and philipp leaked one role is wolf

[tranquil comet]

at the very least

[dusky perch]

bully also changed to 4 rocks but didnt come

[modest mural]

Well

[tranquil comet]

at the very least will appear in sandbox again officially released or unreleased

same with

with the new changes

back last year

and got buffed without warning before release

[vocal imp]

I just included it because of this #speculations message

[dusky perch]

false info

[vocal imp]

w cap

So what we know is

-8 new icons ( )

- buff (The saved player will not be mentioned in the saved player message)

-2 new roles (one is a ww -> most likely )

-New role category for (random other)

-Level hiding

-Lobbies with more/less players (25/9)

updated version

[dusky perch]

president still has no change

[vocal imp]

how about and

[torpid sparrow]

Can u share the new one if possible?

[dusky perch]

"role_locksmith_description":
"At night, select a player to lock in with you. Both of you will be protected until the lock is broken. If either one of you is attacked, the lock will break leaving you both unprotected. The other player is still able to use abilities during the night."

the old one
"At night, select a player to lock in with you the next day. Both of you will be protected until the lock is broken. If either one of you is attacked, the lock will break leaving you both unprotected. The other player is still able to use abilities during the night."

[steep hinge]

What is the difference

At night, select a player to lock in with you the next day
At night, select a player to lock in with you
Is this the only difference

Wait

The lock happens instantly?

@dusky perch does the lock happen instantly

Here was the original version of locksmith before cards were announced 💀

How do u know
It might have gotten a change

So what is the difference

Yup Locksmith should probably be reworked into bh advanced

I want another bh advanced

[steady quiver]

Just bg but different

[tranquil comet]

how u guys didn’t notice the change in description

[tranquil comet]

the new one means, there is no more delay, can instantly protect itself and another person on the night it sets the lock. before it takes one day to activate like but it is instant now

[tranquil comet]

yeah it isn’t very creative, what is creative is and

are also creative but they need some tweaking

[dusky perch]

or mix of doc and bh

[solar ravine]

Stop

[dusky perch]

guess the winners

[solar ravine]

Brooo not fucking bully

April mop i see

💀

[tranquil comet]

all of them?

[solar ravine]

Why all test role win

[dusky perch]

its was question xD

[solar ravine]

Blind ww need nerf

[tranquil comet]

why nerf a ww that can’t even see!!

[solar ravine]

Fool is nothing to blind ww

[tranquil comet]

skill issue tbh

[solar ravine]

I hope locksmith will never get added, bully too

[tranquil comet]

you can’t bully the

🪨 🪨

[vocal imp]

So becomes a provable bg with no downsides?

Disgustingly op tbh

I hope bully and blind ww get added and spy/ls go join anarchist in hell

[humble current]

It's gotta take at least a day to switch the protection

Not start it, switch it

Also hold on if it breaks it can just be put again, it's just immunity

[vocal imp]

Imo thats still better then bg

[humble current]

We are misinterpreting the role

[vocal imp]

Well anyways I hope the 2 new roles are / and

[humble current]

do u have time to try?

nvm ill do it myself

[dusky perch]

try which

[humble current]

Locksmith

[dusky perch]

cool coming

[humble current]

just managed to pull out my anarchist stats, here to flex this win on everyone 💪

[dusky perch]

nice

[steady quiver]

me too me too

[steady quiver]

Suri win

[humble current]

Nice win, high skill

[steady quiver]

Luck depend 🍀

[dusky perch]

i won while dead

[jovial lantern]

Could you kindly explain if possible how you got to this

[humble current]

buy the DLC

[next cedar]

14 days until we get really cool icons

[ashen flame]

Is this confirmed?

[static iris]

Judge and blind ww

[next cedar]

Blind anarch and a voting role suggested during bday event of the staff’s choice

[dusky perch]

Locksmith

Illu got buff

Killed by illu no revive anymore

[solar ravine]

Huh? Isnt that already exist for illu

[plush hollow]

it already exists indeed

[lost parrot]

What advanced roles are coming next season?

[solar ravine]

High chance its blind ww

[lost parrot]

Only one role?

[solar ravine]

And locksmith maybe

[lost parrot]

hope they will increase the role Bully

[visual flower]

ngl it's really big flex to win as anarchist lol

[visual flower]

Broo how did y'all do this

[steady quiver]

Luck +100

[fast oar]

[solar ravine]

I hope not

[vocal imp]

Illu is already like this

[cloud cave]

Illu is too op now

[dusky perch]

Ritu can revive them cant they?

[cloud cave]

Yeah ritu can still rev

[dusky perch]

And wws can see dead wws role by illu instead if illu icon ?

[dusky perch]

Yeh next update nothing can revive

[fast oar]

Noo

[tranquil comet]

its a bad change imo, one of trumps is being able to revive regardless if their target's role is hidden or not. but if they are adding the play style then I'm already satisfied

[dusky perch]

its still normal illu

[fast oar]

[dusky perch]

honor season 1 start in may

i mean its same as bp xD

hmmm

alpha got a buff

[steep hinge]

Show brah

[fluid nebula]

Lol? Which

[fast oar]

Which

[dusky perch]

u can send private msg to wws

[fast oar]

Nice buff

[dusky perch]

OMG

instigator being rk if their team dead 💀

[fast oar]

Wow

Nice

[dusky perch]

@tranquil comet its was u who complaining about ghost lady op and nerf was good ?

[tranquil comet]

yes, but I didn't ask to remove the reveal, I just asked for bind thats it

[dusky perch]

well currently the nerf gone and ghost lady wont be bonded

[fast oar]

Wat

[dusky perch]

idk bug or buff

[tranquil comet]

in game or in test server?

[dusky perch]

"ghostLadyBindOnProtectActive" no longer exist

[dusky perch]

in game now

[fast oar]

Hmm

[whole bolt]

WAT

nerf reverted?

[fast oar]

Nuu i still want the binnd

[dusky perch]

i mean atm you only send 1 msg so the buff unlimited msgs

[tranquil comet]

is ghost lady revealed to the player is they were protected?

[dusky perch]

yeh its back to normal gl

guess what else got a buff

[tranquil comet]

idk

[dusky perch]

shaman

[fast oar]

Yay

[dusky perch]

always can enchant but its work next night not the following

even if last ww alive

[whole bolt]

um so it delayed one night ?

[tranquil comet]

isnt that more of a nerf

[whole bolt]

is that really a buff

[dusky perch]

well at least u can enchant if last alive

[fast oar]

shamaned players red to ss when

[quick marsh]

🤡 never

[tranquil comet]

did any roles get a nerf

[dusky perch]

they all say buff

insti has cool knife

[signal crystal]

AAAAAH

do u have a list of all buffs?

[frigid ermine]

Insti with knife 👀👀👀

[ashen flame]

What new roles are coming next month?

[modest mural]

and another role too

[steady quiver]

Do any of y’all know when the new roles and collection will come out

[whole falcon]

new roles with the new season.
idk about the collection but usually there is a set cycle for each month so possibly after the current one or also next month.

[somber mauve]

insti knife what

[steady quiver]

Alright that helps. Thanks 😊

[quick marsh]

insti is a bandit adv now 🤓

@steady quiver helo slesh

[steady quiver]

Omg did Loki Lore draw that profile for you??? @whole falcon

[slate estuary]

really??

[quick marsh]

no im joking

bit imagine it was

[whole falcon]

idk who did that tbh. i didn't commission it. it was a gift.

[steady quiver]

It is her

I recognize her style of drawing

I just saw

[whole falcon]

ah, i looked it up. the art is incredible, yes 😁

[plush hollow]

Like the corruptor, the ritualist can revive players that have been corrupted or killed by illusionist same mechanic. They can’t be revived by medium but they can be revived by ritualist
Here the link when it was tested in wovtc=> #461532189000204298 message

If I’m not wrong they added recently that they can’t be revived by medium. In bugs or in feedback Flo said that

[dusky perch]

in illu description its had cant be revived by med or its got added later ?

[plush hollow]

In corruptor it was very added that they can be revived by ritualist so I assume it will be just mentionned like corruptor « the player disguised killed by illusionist can’t be revived » or smthg like that

[dusky perch]

well now disguised players wont be revived even if revealed role

may not come next update but its in game

for now
alpha can send many private msgs
ghost lady dont bind protected player
shaman delay 1 day and can enchant if last ww
instigator can kill if their team dead

[tranquil comet]

cool, 2 rk games gonna be wild

[somber mauve]

isn't insti gonna be too op like that

[steep hinge]

Man I actually wanted insti to only kill 2 times and have an unique killing ability

Not everyday brah

[plush hollow]

Can’t be revived by medium but by ritualist they can it’s the difference 👀

Like the corruptor

[tranquil comet]

i think people will justify it by crying village is too op, but yeah cupid can't replace rk yet insti can, watch someone in feedback saying it should be a advanced now lul

[steep hinge]

I want another cupid advanced 😭

[tranquil comet]

I have some very interesting ideas with the proposed buff which I will not share but I don't really care about as much anymore now that the buff has come to my attention. Although I can 100% see people rioting about killing ability, people just have to adapt every once in a while

[steep hinge]

Bully should actually just be a bully tbh

Ok nvm

[dusky perch]

what is in the game now yes but what i tested cant be revived by anyone

[solar ravine]

Bruh, insti isnt a third party role but a whole solo killer anymore💀

[tranquil comet]

honestly this is what I wanted to be

[tranquil comet]

@regal nova replacing / when

[regal nova]

That can work

Wait

+

Uhh

As I was saying

I think that makes the best fit for ...
?

Because if i'm not mistaken it can't be a recruit

And with that in mind

The remainder of the wolf team would prolly be

Wait

Wwf makes a lot more sense

Than cursed here

TBH i'd rather the role just win on all non VW untill converted but

Apparently i'm in the minority there

Hmm

[vocal imp]

W

Insti will get the respect it deserves

[steep hinge]

How many times can it kill

[vocal imp]

Aww buff
Shaman rework?
Insti buff
Gl buff
Illu buff

How about the rework for storm wolf 🤨

[tranquil comet]

How about the gambler nerf

[dusky perch]

1 per night

[steep hinge]

Sk

[dusky perch]

ngl its worst adv role
even nww better

[steep hinge]

I feel like it should be more unique tbh

[dusky perch]

u totally lose if ur team die so its good buff

which mean if insti last alive insti win

[tranquil comet]

i think people will complain that insti can kill but cupid cannot

and because insti is cupid advanced

but if separate then insti can replace a killer

[vocal imp]

Honestly I think that buff is overkill give insti limited kills (1-2-3) endless kills is insane

Its pretty much double rk

I wont complain tho because its gonna be the most fun role to play as

[vocal imp]

I agree tbh

[dusky perch]

cupid dont lose when cpl die

[vocal imp]

The rework and the buff didn't do good it needs a total rework imo or smth to make it closer to nww

[fallow raft]

Which card I should upgrade

[cinder turtle]

Wolf seer with unlimited tali🤗

[lost parrot]

When will the bully role come?

[cinder turtle]

it hasn't been confirmed yet i think, but if it comes, it will be in the next bp

[lost parrot]

hope it comes in upcoming season

[cinder turtle]

I want blind ww

[vocal imp]

Wolf seer

Get sorc so you'll have a guaranteed blind ww

[fallow raft]

How is that

[vocal imp]

If you get sorc then your next wolf seer adv will be blind ww

Or upgrade bg

[fallow raft]

But I mean is it free?

Will blind ww come free

[fallow raft]

Illudionist good?

[sweet pier]

Anything with unlimited talisman tbh

[sweet pier]

Like sorcerer good if you know how to fake

[serene ginkgo]

Well, Cupid will need buff too

[vocal imp]

No

[vocal imp]

Oh yeah yes its good

Actually id recommend upgrading corr

[vocal imp]

Cupid is already easy to win so no buff required imo

Cupid is probably the easiest role to win as (ranked excluded)

[dusky perch]

nuh cupid is fine as its now

[vocal imp]

Cpl is pretty good and you have the easiest secondary win condition

[sudden urchin]

I want blind ww

[vocal imp]

Still waiting for storm rework and wwp buff

And also smth to make bomber less rng based

[serene ginkgo]

I mean cpl, not Cupid

Cupid is fine, but cples will be kind of weaker

[rugged panther]

Blind ww and bully out next update

👀

A ww release is already confirmed

So it must be blind ww, and bully would be best fit to be released with blind ww

🕺🏽

[regal nova]

Nah cpl's advantage is that it's dynamic can't be verified

[fallow raft]

When is update

[rugged panther]

Next bp

[regal nova]

Huge

[rugged panther]

Im finna get my bully guld

The gully

[regal nova]

1 more card & I can get the imfamous 5× card upgrades mission done

Nvm

[rugged panther]

Ive just stockpiled all my cards

Since vday

But i have enough to make bully gold when its out

W ratio

[vocal imp]

Either bully or ls imo

[rugged panther]

I double down on bully, I would bet a single rose

[regal nova]

TBH

×4
Gg
Bully

Not a horribke setup

[solar ravine]

Who tf will get bully

[rugged panther]

Me

Gonna make bully gold

No cap

[solar ravine]

Bully gold looks bad

[rugged panther]

So does tough guy, but I’m not complaining

[solar ravine]

Golden tg, alch, avenger is bad

[rugged panther]

Avenger is fine

Fc tho

I made my paci gold so i could use gold fc in village with everybody knowing I couldve used paci, but chose not to

Gg gold bad

[vocal imp]

Horrible

What's the point of that setup

The bombs move with the player so you can't save yourself from a bomb

So what we know so far about the next update

-8 new icons ( )

- buff (The saved player will not be mentioned in the saved player message)

-2 new roles (one is a ww -> most likely other one most likely is )

- buff (ritu cannot revive a illu kill)

-New role category for (random other)

-Level hiding

-Lobbies with more/less players (25/9)

- buff (endless private messages)

- buff (if your recruits die you will be able to kill a player every night)

- rework? buff? (enchant is delayed for 1 night but its able to shaman as last ww) (hopefully that delay only prevents shaman from enchanting when dead not to literally delay shaman's enchantment because shaman needs a buff not a nerf)

- buff (old nerf got reverted)

[regal nova]

Oh

[regal nova]

shouldn't even have a save message but ok

W

w h y

Mid

Huge

Ok

Just change it to advanced at that point

Eh?

cringe as hell

[vocal imp]

I wonder why illu is getting buffed but if they are adding trickster illu then it makes sense

[regal nova]

Eh

I' dstill rather

It not be the case

[vocal imp]

Gl is just dumb I agree

[regal nova]

That's kinda it's thing

[regal nova]

Now we petition it's removal from ranked

[fringe shard]

Where night music

[regal nova]

Alch is super fun

Bc you control the pace of the game

And in the hands of a compitent player

Can result in frequent wins

I mean I have 18% wr but still

[serene ginkgo]

That’s pretty good, personally I have 1-10% wr on some of the killers

My highest one is arso which is 18% too

[quartz void]

New icons meh
Jelly buff was needed
New roles look promising
Illu buff unneeded
Category is qol
Level hiding is good
Alpha buff needed even though it isn't the right one
Insti buff shouldn't happen its not an rk
Shaman sounds like nerf
Gl revert should have a small neef attached

[vocal imp]

Imo gl revert is dumb, illu buff is questionable, insti should only have 1/2/3 kills not endless

Shaman better be a buff

[quartz void]

Insti becoming sk 🤮🤮🤮🤮

[vocal imp]

I mean balance wise yeah it completely breaks the balance but in fun factor its a huge W

Makes insti the ultimate role (in strength and fun)

[regal nova]

TBH just give insti a single gunner bullet

xD

[regal nova]

[next cedar]

At least village won’t be killing me for no reason now when my team died

[quartz void]

Ranked games will be hell

[vocal imp]

Insti in ranked will remplace rk instead of rv ig

setup

With fixed 👀

[steady quiver]

[tranquil comet]

I’m hoping at least they didn’t give the reveal back, only the bind is 100% confirmed to be gone from my POV

[tranquil comet]

better suits game than game but yes is better to replace after buff

[charred drift]

ghost lady op again?

[visual flower]

Illu buff is so unnecessary. I'm glad we are able to hide levels. Aww finally gets justified. insti was cupids advanced role for a reason now it doesn't make sense tbh. Finally gl nerf got reverted I'm happy.

[fast oar]

[steady quiver]

maybe limits for insti killing?

[fast oar]

Yep

[tranquil comet]

no

either you go all out on insti killing or u don’t add it at all

[fast oar]

Wait so after this buff village need to kill insti to win?

[tranquil comet]

yeah

[steady quiver]

kinda true

[fast oar]

Yay

[steady quiver]

it's time to go back being hated by both side

[tranquil comet]

insti with killing ability not replacing a killer doesn’t make sense balance wise but when april fool setup was out, double killers was pretty fun

current insti even if it loses more often also means village loses more often by it existing

[fast oar]

Old gl is in the game now

[tranquil comet]

so adding a killing ability pretty much guarantees village will lose assuming its kills are limit

because limit kills means its not strong enough to replace a killer but its too strong replacing anything else

[fast oar]

Gambler nerf when

[lone spade]

Are you from the Future ? Hahaha

Cause if so, I AM WAITING FOR THE GL ONE

[fast oar]

It's ingame now

[left shore]

Anarchist when

[fast oar]

^

[steady quiver]

never

please

🙏

[steady quiver]

no

anything but anarshit

[fast oar]

Naurrrrr

[midnight whale]

I kinda like the idea of Instigator having that killing ability because when you play insti and the recruits die you're kinda just stuck there waiting for the game to end, and I don't think it's that crazy either and I think it adds a bit of fun to the game

[visual flower]

LMAOOOO

[lone spade]

IT IS?

[steady quiver]

It does but it will def not fitted to be cupid advanced anymore

[lone spade]

IT ISSSS????

[fast oar]

Yep

[lone spade]

I Just told Someone to Report it as a bug

NO

[fast oar]

[midnight whale]

It still fits imo cause it's still the same basic idea as couple but now it doesn't get screwed if the recruits die like how cupid can win with village

[fluid nebula]

Whats the nerff?

[lone spade]

Why wasnt it announced in #game-change-log ?

ARE U FOOLING ME CAT?

[fluid nebula]

Yesterday I played as gl, protected 3 and didnt die with 3

[fast oar]

Idk

B-but

[fast oar]

The gl desc changed to the old one

[lone spade]

I had the Same but With me it showed That I was bounded to them

[fluid nebula]

Oh so its not bug

[steady quiver]

[fast oar]

U can check on web

[fluid nebula]

Same

[steady quiver]

The problem is that it kills so it doesnt fit with cupid

[lone spade]

Guess it’s gonna be announced soon

[midnight whale]

Oh I was about to say maybe it's a bug

[fluid nebula]

Lool I was like ah bugsville again

[steady quiver]

If its a limited kill like 1 or 2 then k it might be fitting

But it seems like infinite kill

[left shore]

Replace rk

[steady quiver]

Can't wait to see people changing their name to "#nerf insti"

[midnight whale]

Current instigator still has the choice to side with whatever team they want though

[fast oar]

Hehe 2 rks

[fluid nebula]

But rk + insti is better

[fast oar]

[fluid nebula]

Not rk/insti

[steady quiver]

Yeah but adding the infinite kill makes it way too evil sided
Like even more than how gr is village sided

[left shore]

Hmm, a set up with only bandit/insti

That's fine

Cupid underrated

[obsidian hound]

what changes are bout confirmed.

[fast oar]

Hide levels

Honor system

[steady quiver]

Hide outfit when

[fast oar]

I only have 3 slots

[steady quiver]

[midnight whale]

I mean I personally prefer that just cause village has always seemed too overpowered, like there could be an argument that Cupid is too village sided

[steady quiver]

Yeah but i would rather see village nerfed
And abt cupid being village sided its still not that much since cpl is still the priority

[obsidian hound]

from what ive seen smth happening to insti

?

[steady quiver]

Anyway alpha buff is like 1% better then the current one

[midnight whale]

Couple is a priority yes but it's still an extra villager rather than a third party

[fast oar]

Recruits die =u can kill

[obsidian hound]

pog

what roles coming again?

[midnight whale]

Probably blind wolf

[fast oar]

A ww

[midnight whale]

And between judge, Bully, and Locksmith for the villager

[fast oar]

Prolly bully or keymaker

[steady quiver]

I think I see a problem while discussing with my friend

Some Instigator players would purposely let their recruits die just to be the second killer

[left shore]

New when

[midnight whale]

Is it named keymaker or locksmith?

[steady quiver]

Lockmaker /jk

[fast oar]

Locksmith

[steady quiver]

Probably locksmith

[fast oar]

But u can call wtv u like

[midnight whale]

That could be an issue but that's definitely reportable in the same way as revealing your couple to be on village team

[steady quiver]

But will they report? That's another problem

[midnight whale]

I always think it's keymaker cause that's what it was originally called and I got used to it lol

[midnight whale]

Most likely

Cause it's two people who can't win anymore cause someone gamethrew

[obsidian hound]

dont rly need blind wolf ill see what comes

[midnight whale]

Which it definitely is gamethrowing in that case

[steady quiver]

turning into confirmed

[obsidian hound]

true

[steady quiver]

No complains, I used to ask for Instigator killing ability after recruits died so I'll accept this

[obsidian hound]

id prob try get locksmith if it came just because.

[obsidian hound]

i have instigator gold card with xp win perk so im fine with this

[steady quiver]

||edited btw.||

[steady quiver]

Golden insti haver

[obsidian hound]

ive had it from like cyber update

will locksmith be bg doc or bh adv role

[left shore]

Bg

But locksmith kinda weak rn

[obsidian hound]

idc, debuffing village is pog

so ill use it

i got bg bh doc common cards rdy 2 bg cards so i got some chances

[left shore]

Idc about vill or ww, i need new rv/rk

[tranquil comet]

I mean in casual modes, it might be finally time that replaces

[steady quiver]

BYE ITS TRUE NOW

[fast oar]

Hmmm

[vocal imp]

Yeah I said maybe one of the new ranked setups will have (as fixed ww) (as rk) and

[vocal imp]

No it allows day coordination with the ww

[tranquil comet]

its already in game??

[fast oar]

It's edited

[steady quiver]

nope

[vocal imp]

I might get golden insti thanks to that buff

I have sacrificable cards

[tranquil comet]

me who already has since the start of this year 💀

[vocal imp]

Aww buff is not that bad it adds that "whisper perk" to the werewolves

[vocal imp]

Meh actually more that I think about it golden icons kinda suck and black fits more insti imo

[regal nova]

Insti kinda free bow

Now

Rip balance

[vocal imp]

The nerf actually got completely reverted 💀

[left shore]

Very balanced

Revert the self reveal is enough, keep the bind ability

[vocal imp]

Agreed

[left shore]

Wait what they said it's a bug #game-change-log

[vocal imp]

Yeah rn its a bug because its supposed to come next update

[fast oar]

[noble willow]

uh oh uh ohhhh

[tranquil comet]

@noble willow

jackal basically

if your recruits die, you become SK

[fast oar]

Acco

[steady quiver]

here the weapon

[next cedar]

No you become acc

[fast oar]

Shaman one is kinda like a nerf

[tranquil comet]

ah yeah sorry cuz ww can kill uou

[steady quiver]

uou

[next cedar]

Hopefully inst gets an unk aura with the buff at the very least

[steady quiver]

i dont think so, if you shaman in night time it just delayed

[tranquil comet]

moment

[steady quiver]

shamaned on day time still work on next night

[fast oar]

Ooo

[tranquil comet]

you basically upgrading to balanced

[tranquil comet]

so the shaman lasts 2 nights?

[noble willow]

m

ca

[fast oar]

Shamaned players red to ss when

[steady quiver]

ask salem but i think if you shaman in night time you cant shaman anyone during the day

[noble willow]

can someone list the ballancing changes that are gonna be in the next update

[tranquil comet]

whats the point to shaman in night time

[steady quiver]

idk

[tranquil comet]

#speculations message

[steady quiver]

or if you shamamed someone in night and shaman other one on day the previous shamaned will be cancelled

ok tell me whats the point for shaman in night

[tranquil comet]

gambler nerf when

[fast oar]

When

when

[vague heath]

:v May I ask who drew this of

[fast oar]

12345678910

[next cedar]

When they finish testing voting role #2

[dire solstice]

[next cedar]

Cause the voting competition was for a role to pair with anarch

[regal nova]

I missed it entirely

TBH

[dusky perch]

Looks like ghost lady was bug

[tranquil comet]

so it wasn’t written in the list of buffs that you have access too?

[vale moss]

Is there a Problem with?

[vague heath]

No.

Just I want to know who drew this.

[vale moss]

Ahhhh

[dusky perch]

Its not like that

But gl had line for the bind rework and its was enabled since the nerf but yesterday got remove which make gl back to normal before the nerf

So its planned for next update or got remove by mistake

[fast oar]

Prob a mistake

No way they'll revert it

[next cedar]

I think they might have the classic gl code in there to try and merge it with the new so they can revert the reveal back to normal

[dull cosmos]

=> => or ?

[tranquil comet]

yep

[vocal imp]

Id guess acco

Since ww can kill insti

[fluid nebula]

#game-change-log message not a buff @lone spade

[lone spade]

Yes alr saw it 🙈

[fluid nebula]

Oh

Sorry then

[lone spade]

ITS ALR

thanks for pinging love

[torpid sparrow]

UR KIDDING

NO WAY

LETS GOOOOOOO

💅

[regal nova]

Oop

[torpid sparrow]

@steady quiver WE WON

[steady quiver]

[dusky perch]

wow sb got rsv

[solar ravine]

Avenger fixed

☠️

[vocal imp]

No med but rsv

Get ready for double gunner game

[dusky perch]

gunner cc gunner

[willow zealot]

"I'm gunner"
shot

[steady quiver]

RSV today

[steady quiver]

When zodiac pack

[rugged panther]

Never, just change to det adv

[steady quiver]

could be when new season starts

new cycle

new set of outfita

[solar ravine]

What will seer app see when gambler died

Only X or what

[steady quiver]

I hope sooner :((

[steady quiver]

same tbh...

ive gotten 50 dollars worth of gems

and i already copped two daily outfits i like

Samee

And I hate waiting

[vocal imp]

No im pretty sure its gonna be the same thing that gambler has in the player notes

[charred drift]

why not give insigator a bullet + a shield might aswell man

bro maybe give it one unavoidable kill not every day

[tropic blade]

every day is just buffed sk 🤓

[quick marsh]

i agree

one bullet enough tbh since instigated cpl mostly last long

[cloud cave]

Exactly

[dim trout]

Why would they nerf ritu? ;-; He is barely used.

[tranquil comet]

true there was no need to remove ability to revive targets

[torpid sparrow]

OH MY GOD, BIGGEST W UPDATE OF ALL THE TIME

[torpid sparrow]

Wasnt that a bug?

Ritu not being able to ressurect the illu killed person

[solar ravine]

Just remove GL ability that reveal their role to protected person

[vague heath]

so really strong now wt

I think it really needs a nerf

[gusty granite]

Why Instigator becoming Serial Killer?

But I'm happy for , he's finally coming back

[vocal imp]

Insti buff is insane but imo it makes the role extremely fun

In ranked ig insti will have to remplace rk

And double rk game with rk and insti is gonna be smth

[humble current]

I'm most excited about 25 player lobbies that's all

Gonna require more brain

[deft vault]

Answer gere

Here

[tranquil comet]

instigator is getting infinite killing power

after the recruits are dead

[deft vault]

Alr suggested a nerf that ppl seem to agree with

[tranquil comet]

for such a buff, it really needs the unknown aura now

[deft vault]

Hm

Insti? A cupid adv gets thr chance to kill every night?

[tranquil comet]

yep, games are only going to get more wild with cupid in game now

[deft vault]

Please tell me its some kind of joke

[tranquil comet]

lets give it a chance, I’m really interested about this change actually

[dim trout]

Rip in illusionist games

[dim trout]

Looks like not.

Wait... can insti kill rks?

[fast oar]

Prob so

[steady quiver]

Accomplinsti

[vocal imp]

Insti is gonna become

[fast oar]

Gambler nerf when

[vocal imp]

Same yeah

[dim trout]

Huh?

Hmmmm

Actually?

[vocal imp]

It won't destroy ranked balance since they can just make insti remplace rk

[steady quiver]

i mean

someone used to feedback that ig

but it should have limits

[vocal imp]

No like insti will become smth like acco when his recruits die

[steady quiver]

or other condition

[dim trout]

Ah

[vocal imp]

And acco can kill other rks

[tranquil comet]

if its killing power is limited then it isn’t strong enough to replace an RK but would be too strong to replace Fool or HH

[steady quiver]

3 players died in 1 night in unacceptable

[vocal imp]

Yeah it shouldn't be limited for ranked balance

[dim trout]

I wouldn't make insti like this honeslty. I would make the win like Witch from Town of Salem. You have to see village's death and survive or something like this.

[vocal imp]

[fast oar]

But funni

[steady quiver]

[dim trout]

[steady quiver]

Bro changed evil det skin

[vocal imp]

Ye

[tranquil comet]

the insti change is actually what i wanted bandit to become

not exactly but similar

[dim trout]

But i hate 's buff

[steady quiver]

I heard that insti exist in chain reaction too

wot buff

[vocal imp]

Only issue is games with fixed cupid will need some balancing

[vocal imp]

For a potential insti

[dim trout]

Ritu can't revive ppl who died by illu

[fast oar]

Yes i want trickster illu

[steady quiver]

another ritu nerf

[fast oar]

1671717718188199192902010918020100101002020

[tranquil comet]

I mean in casual I get that people will random vote in the absence of both fool and hh but replacing fool and hh seems the only way

ritu homie didn’t deserve the disrespect smh

[dim trout]

Ritu usage rate after nerf: 1% -> 0.000001% ( the only person who will use ritu is me)

[tranquil comet]

nah people will still use ritu

because of the insti buff

[steady quiver]

i never know will insti gonna be in game or nah

[tranquil comet]

more people use insti means more chance u get recruited with ww or rk idk

[steady quiver]

so yea muah muah conjuror

[fast oar]

Hm if ritu revved instigated player then insti lost the kills again or no

[tranquil comet]

idk actually

maybe not

[steady quiver]

Maybe lose

.

Maybe ask salem

[tranquil comet]

I deleted my ritu a long time ago anyway hahaha

[dim trout]

Thats a good question. But i think no.

[steady quiver]

Next update : ritu can clone themselves

[tranquil comet]

I was a advocate ever since it was announced in testing

[fast oar]

Ritu cool

Bcs it can rev sl

[tranquil comet]

2 days ago, my friend deleted a whole village as coupled conjuror

[dim trout]

Cool drip, but zero efficient power.

[tranquil comet]

it was the most glorious shit ever

[deft vault]

If bully gets added after keysmith im going crazy

Nobody wants that shit ingame

[grizzled hearth]

I want Keymaker so bad

[coarse wolf]

Locksmith is terrible

[grizzled hearth]

I still love it

A bit strong with their protection but easily destroyable

[tranquil comet]

protection isn’t going to be the big issue imo, we really don’t need more RRV who can prove themselves

[signal crystal]

spy>bully>judge>locksmith

[dim trout]

Bully is better than judge?

I highly doubt it

[signal crystal]

judge is only priest with two kills

bully more interesting

[dim trout]

Having 3 role block or 1 kill and 2 role block is literally not interesting.

[signal crystal]

4

4 rocks now

[dim trout]

Bully is still outclassed by gunner

[signal crystal]

vigi>gunner>bully

but maybe bully with a buff

bully is a super skilled role

[dim trout]

I still think or deserve to be released earlier than

[signal crystal]

locksmith not, maybe judge but is literally like priest

[dim trout]

can kill and too

Just like

[inland hare]

In some case, bully is good to deal with or ( if bullied )

[signal crystal]

another buff to village roles

[signal crystal]

but judge faster

[dim trout]

This why or exist. ww paci can be killed and no reveal/shadow

[tranquil comet]

style is gonna be similar to but with far more noticeable consequences, for to make full use of their ability, they always have to rock the most suspicious player in the match every day

[dim trout]

But if you want to deal with , use

[inland hare]

I'd see Bully with 4 rock could be a good replacement for both and in one

[inland hare]

You know if there only one target that's safelynch when shadow activated

[deft vault]

Im ok if bully is able to concuss 2 different players the same day

[dim trout]

I also would be ok with it

Then i could say... ok, it's worth to use now.

[deft vault]

Like concuss 2 and 3 d1, d2 you can only shoot 2 or 3

Not both

[grizzled hearth]

Okay, good point

[deft vault]

So its not just a gunner with more steps

[dim trout]

Right now, in currect concept, i don't like

[deft vault]

I only want him just cause he is different than gunner and vigi

Both stronger but boringg

[dim trout]

I just want to see that the buff not going to be happen

[deft vault]

I hope it doesnt of unless

It comed with my nerf

Comes*

Cause like

Why would they remove a feature and re add it

Makes no sense right?

Something else is def coming with illu

Thsts my guess

[dim trout]

I mean... i see more conjuror than ritu.

[desert cove]

illu is nice alr

[deft vault]

I dont think they want to nerf my boy ritu even more

[tranquil comet]

cuz its the more fun option

[dim trout]

Exactly... why would you make a "bad" (bc it can be good) role even worse.

[desert cove]

conju is flexible

ritu is kinda chance-y ?

[tranquil comet]

people also call it selfish too

[desert cove]

rly?

[dim trout]

ye

I seen people complaining about it

[desert cove]

anyw ritu is acceptable

conju is a lil bit buffed

med is the classic

[dim trout]

I want to see getting buffed a bit somehow.

[desert cove]

how..

[dim trout]

Idk, just... somehow.

[deft vault]

Sacrifice your ability to talk at night once per game to speak to an alive player

[fast oar]

I like it

[deft vault]

For that night

[fast oar]

[dim trout]

That sounds good

[desert cove]

add the sect chat thingy

but to a random vill you picked

[fast oar]

No more worry abt rl and ritu die n1

[steady quiver]

Can someone show me the system message when conju or gr robbed inventory

[fast oar]

[next cedar]

Which one

Cause this is the one for conj stealing the inventory after gr

[dusky perch]

ghost lady will get buff

[limpid zephyr]

Never had it but I have conju

[dusky perch]

@tranquil comet@vocal imp
"role_ghost_lady_description_reveal":"At night you can visit another player. If you are attacked while visiting, you will not be killed. If the player you are visiting is attacked, they will not be killed. Instead you will reveal your role to them and be bound to that player, at the cost of no longer being able to visit. If the player you're bound to is killed, you die as well."
so yeh protected player will see gl and will be bound too

[fast oar]

Yayyy

[dusky perch]

25players will be crazy mode somehow

[tranquil comet]

I'm happy with this compromise, lets see how things go

[limpid zephyr]

Can you tell me everything about insti buff and how every icon looks like?

Golden insti enjoyer here I have already 76 wins as

[steady quiver]

[dusky perch]

just a new knife i posted somewhere

[limpid zephyr]

How is the role description

[dusky perch]

amm that

[dusky perch]

"role_instigator_description_reworked":"At the start of the game, two players will join your team as recruits: one a villager or voting role, and one werewolf or solo killer. All members of your team can only win together and no longer with their original team. As the instigator you can send private messages to your team. The two recruits are bound to each other, if one dies, the other will die as well. If both recruits are dead, you can kill one player each night yourself."

[limpid zephyr]

Thank you

[fast oar]

Why is voting role still in the description

They excluded it

[dusky perch]

special cases

[fast oar]

Oh

[limpid zephyr]

Can you kill sk as well just not protected players? And can ww kill you?

[limpid zephyr]

Gr fool can be instigated for example

[dusky perch]

solo can kill solo

[limpid zephyr]

And can ww kill insti?

Like ww can kill acco

[vocal imp]

W

[vocal imp]

W

So what we know so far about the next update

-8 new icons ( )

- buff (The saved player will not be mentioned in the saved player message)

-2 new roles (one is a ww -> most likely other one most likely is )

- buff (ritu cannot revive a illu kill)

-New role category for (random other)

-Level hiding

-Lobbies with more/less players (25/9)

- buff (endless private messages)

- buff (if your recruits die you will be able to kill a player every night)

- rework? buff? (enchant is delayed for 1 night but its able to shaman as last ww) (hopefully that delay only prevents shaman from enchanting when dead not to literally delay shaman's enchantment because shaman needs a buff not a nerf)

- buff (reveals to the bounded player)

- and can protect

-Honor system

[fast oar]

Ghost lady and forger able to protect sl too

[vocal imp]

Im still confused about shaman honestly

No wwp or storm change

[fallow raft]

Jelly wolf very good now

[fallow raft]

Level hiding very good someone outed me as summoner ww just bcs Im the highest level

[fallow raft]

With insti buff its the best role now

When is this update

[limpid zephyr]

New battlepass

So like 1 or 2 days after old battlepass ended

[fallow raft]

So 13 days?

[limpid zephyr]

Because sometimes there is 1 day no battlepass

[limpid zephyr]

I guess so

[fallow raft]

Good update I guess

[fallow raft]

Does any role outdit xoming with this update?

[next cedar]

I hope they go with the name I chose for it

[sharp karma]

#speculations message

[next cedar]

This is #speculations

[sharp karma]

Yes, but that goes to a certain message in #speculations

Aka the role skins

[next cedar]

Did they change how links work now?

[sharp karma]

Yeah

[next cedar]

Tbh I don’t like it idk why

[sharp karma]

Looks cleaner imo, just a bit more confusing

[fallow raft]

What happen triclster ww

[modest mural]

Hot jely 🐥

[steady quiver]

Yep im looking for this

Tyy

[vocal imp]

I just got a W day 2 fool win (faked det, got doc shot) but I can't get honor 🥲

Honor should be enabled before d3 if fool/hh wins

[lone spade]

The d3 requierement is to prevent players/booster from farming honor

[cinder oyster]

INSTI IS HUGE WHAT

this update gotta come faster man

[quick marsh]

ikrr

[vocal imp]

Ikr that update is gonna be W

Still confused about

And kinda disappointed that there's no and changes

[quick marsh]

wwpaci is balanced imo

it'll still confuse you if there's paci ig

[vocal imp]

Wwp is counter productive

Revealing a player to the village helps the village since it confirms a player as good/bad also the role doesn't synergies at all with shadow and gww is honestly just better

[tranquil comet]

no gambler nerf L

[vocal imp]

And buffed is also definitely gonna be better

Even current jelly is better

[quick marsh]

you can always reveal a confirmed player, such as rrv claims

that'll do ww team good

[vocal imp]

No if you want to reveal it has to be a main informer or smth

[tranquil comet]

and also butcher nwm and trapper

[quick marsh]

fr where's the so called gambler nerf

[quick marsh]

Wdym?

[tranquil comet]

not even acknowledged even though helpers say that gambler is stronger than aura in the statistics

[vocal imp]

Unless that player is good by info and no alive

[quick marsh]

it obviously is lol

hell its better than spirit

[vocal imp]

If you reveal a rrv claim village will know what they are confirming them as rrv

And if they are already confirmed good ig revealing them is fine

[quick marsh]

while also confirming them for ww team which sometimes saves from tg danger

[vocal imp]

But at this point gww is better and jelly as well

[quick marsh]

jelly is the strongest of them all obviously

[vocal imp]

Yeah

[tranquil comet]

nah

gww is still strongest

[vocal imp]

Salem is the source

[quick marsh]

cant jelly save from lynch also

[vocal imp]

And they've been usually right

Every time

[tranquil comet]

yeah but u have to guess at night who will be lynch

[quick marsh]

its basically upgraded gww with more protection

[vocal imp]

Just protect yourself

[quick marsh]

cant u use ability during day

[tranquil comet]

then u are gww with self save

[vocal imp]

There youre stubborn ww with rk weakness

[tranquil comet]

if its buffed jelly that is

[vocal imp]

Ok sure

[vocal imp]

@steady quiver

In the game's code idk

They are usually right btw

[vocal imp]

Rn they've never been wrong iirc

F

[visual flower]

I wish Jelly can change protection whenever he wants

[vocal imp]

A little bit too powerful

[limpid zephyr]

I play jelly like stubborn

Jelly the perfect cpl role and I love cpl

Only big counter is jailer 💀

Like you can’t refresh it🥹

[humble current]

If both recruits are dead, you can kill one player each night yourself.

Bruh if it was one it would make sense

[next cedar]

This doesn’t change if you are coupled to jailer

[tranquil comet]

it should be refreshable imo, you should only lose jelly if it is consumed by lynching

in effectiveness this means u can stop all bullets in game (but 99% of the time you will just stop a lynch or 1 bullet and a lynch ideally)

[tranquil comet]

I don’t agree, this is the trait of the so for how strong the can be it shouldn’t be as flexible

[vocal imp]

Well rn remplaces in ranked however if it gets the ability to kill every night it will have to remplace but if they limit its killing to 1 or 2 or even 3 it'll be too powerful for and too weak for

[solar ravine]

Insti turn to a serial killer
Just imagine insti and sk ig bruh totally super balanced game

Too OP for third party role

I hope the buff canceled

[tranquil comet]

cancel the buff and add bully or don’t cancel the buff and unleash chaos

there is no way out, pick your poison

[vocal imp]

i dont honestly

unbalanced role but insanely fun

[steady quiver]

Its not bad for a buff and this will def be seperated from cupid
Which is really fine to me

[solar ravine]

Bully is trash even after the buff but sure if u wanna get bully

I want to get the Sorcerer role card

Lets see if people will complain on the insti buff

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-spin-spinning-t-pose-meme-gif-23836943

[steady quiver]

If insti is somehow still in that same slot then def yes
But likely replace rk tbh

[solar ravine]

I feel like insti is just bandit advanced role

[vocal imp]

@solar ravine

[solar ravine]

Cupid insti replace fool hh

Its already annoying to find their recruit and they make it a whole solo killer

[tranquil comet]

the problem is the cupid-instigator role card link

[solar ravine]

And Insti still with good aura when they can kill💀

[humble current]

its ok guys the insti buff is just late april fools (i hope)

[tranquil comet]

but outside ranked most people just play for fun, 2 killers in game is wild and people already know how to fight against accomplice so

[solar ravine]

2 recruits + can kill each night + good aura

Totally balanced 💀

[tranquil comet]

balance doesn’t exisr

fun and chaos is all which matters

[humble current]

, having none of these:

[tranquil comet]

its because people are crying for 300+ messages about why their favourite villager got nerfed

[solar ravine]

Whats balanced we only love money🤑

[tranquil comet]

and its also the same people who complain that village is too overpowered

two faced hypocrites lmfao

[solar ravine]

ill get insti role card offer 🃏

[solar ravine]

I said this before cuz its
9 village (+1 neutral role) vs 4 ww vs 1 fool vs 1 rk

especially the bandit game more unbalanced

But i feel like village deserve that

[tranquil comet]

encourages creativity, casual games are stale without spice

if people can deal with and then surely and is almost the same thing

[inland hare]

Wdym? with insti + rk + ww that can deal with 3 kill per day to the villagers, not including if the recruit from the part of villagers that have good ability to against villagers such like with other rks instead of

[vocal imp]

Recruits are dead if insti is able to kill

[inland hare]

they have to exclude some specific role from the recruit anyway, the issue will be

[vocal imp]

Insti buff is insti can kill if his recruits are dead

[inland hare]

Ah that's fair with unk aura

[vocal imp]

ehh honestly its fair if insti will remplace rk so its fair in ranked but not in other modes (but honestly other modes are for fun and that role will be fun) maybe unk aura would be more fitable

[dusky perch]

insti should be unk now

[solar ravine]

Yes

[next cedar]

So pretty much we can have a potential 1v1v1 with completely identical roles with

[tropic blade]

wtf is that sorcerer skin

[next cedar]

Sorc is the only ww role that isn’t a furry and it was turned into a furry

[coarse sedge]

Is it me or Kitten wolf offer look like a copy n paste clone of already existed offer 💀

[viral cipher]

I think they use this icon for kitten offer but not original one

[worn marten]

i agree

[rigid yarrow]

am i the only one who doesn't care about the insti buff

like it is a buff i'm alright witht

[somber mauve]

yeah but it being able to kill is op for some people

[solar ravine]

Sorc when they resign :

[feral saffron]

yh but whats the point of insti otherwise? as soon as their cpl dies, they're in the game for what? as a support act

[limpid zephyr]

You only can refresh it at night, if your jailed you can't use ability, so you can't refresh it this night

[left shore]

Add in these set up seem good (expect that rsv is recruited)

[dim trout]

I think insti should be an evil cupid, where if 's recruit dies, then just need to see village's death to win or something.

[steady quiver]

Doesn't sound half bad, kinda fine if you ask me

[rigid yarrow]

maybe we should rework cupid so that they can only side with couple while couple is alive to make it more in line with insti (so win condition is kinda like hh). i'm alright with insti being anti village or a sk (current buff) after recruits die

[lone spade]

Well they can’t Side against their couple so that’s actually the Case

Their couple is above village.

[fast oar]

[charred drift]

#1098540098787749989 i gave insti a bullet instead of one kill per nighy

[lusty finch]

Role skin offers which are based on og icons are on another lvl

[alpine kestrel]

yeah, the kww role offer doesn't make sense

[lusty finch]

Or maybe it is easter role card offer skin but came late

[next cedar]

That’s more of an act of desperation

[dim trout]

I also like insti being a village villain, but that's a problem, if the game is immediatly lost when recruits dies (unless 3 insti vs 1 junior/avenger).

I usually prefer insti than cupid. And not because insti would be overpowered compared to cupid, just more fun to play.

[limpid zephyr]

Kinda would agree on that remembering how happy I feel if evil wins because of my help, because I think anti villager need anti villager

[torpid sparrow]

Insti should be able to kill every night after thier recruits die

Cuz think about it

After yer recruits die, ur odds of winning are astronomically low

And just 1 attack wont cut it

[tranquil comet]

exactly ye

[steady quiver]

its too strong to be cupid advanced

and too weak to be bandit advanced

[versed shoal]

only thing I want is for insti to get ONE kill they can use anytime once their recruits are is dead, and while instigator is alive WITH a kill, the game will not end

Meaning, if an instigator can finesse village to voting each other out to a 1v1, then insti can still win

It's annoying when your recruits die night 1

[tranquil comet]

current instigator where it replaces at the moment means village is almost guaranteed to lose, having limited kills basically removes any small chance that the village actually had to win the game

if you overbuff insti to kill every night after recruits are dead, as explained a few times, its easier to manipulate who insti replaces in a setup

[versed shoal]

Theoretically, it will make wolves do in-fighting, but that rarley happens

[versed shoal]

one kill only*