speculations

[bronze mountain]

is there a way to get the old golden icons?

[plush hollow]

By upgrading legendary cards

[bronze mountain]

that's it? just like the actual golden icons??

[plush hollow]

Ah no i mossunderstand but afaik no way to get them

[toxic zinc]

one more gunner icon and i will explode

[daring parcel]

seems like devs most loved role is gunner

5 icons for it

[lusty finch]

4 icons

The ochre one got cancelled

[rapid crane]

There are many ideas about guns =)

[lusty finch]

Ochre one?

[rapid crane]

Nope

[lusty finch]

Isn't that canceled?

[rapid crane]

The golden one

[lusty finch]

I'm saying Old golden icons = Ochre one

[rapid crane]

Yeah

That's canceled

I'm messed up with English =)

[dusky perch]

• default icon

[lusty finch]

Yep

[dusky perch]

yeh 5

[dusky perch]

how can you buff vio more

[agile basin]

Am I the only one who thinks violinist is ok? 🥹

[dusky perch]

being able to pick between multi deaths

[steady quiver]

No

[dusky perch]

no its fine role

[steady quiver]

its ok

but i prefer aura seer

[dusky perch]

compare to aura yeh aura better

[tranquil comet]

must be a base role

[dusky perch]

specially in corruptor games

[tranquil comet]

I said this for half a year

we need another separate category for weak info

red lady is kinda eh if u look at

[dusky perch]

hope they listen to you and make avg unk

[tranquil comet]

is like upgrading a base role, to a base role

people have no problem when was

only if it was replace

cuz its like replacing with and

[daring parcel]

search out with which person you want to check if 2 or more people died at 1 day

[dusky perch]

that wont matter as u cant check for fool or rk afaik

[daring parcel]

when fool died and a priest it still checks with the person who died first

when fool died first you have no info

[pseudo charm]

Yeah but Red Lady is a suicidal seer so at least it's worth something

[lusty finch]

Vio buff - can see 2 ppl mourning for 2 deaths

I'm w sheriff n vio together

[tranquil comet]

yep and thats another reason is not compatible enough with

is another story and really needs a card swap too

[pseudo charm]

ngl gl and seer app swapping base role would kind of make sense

[vocal imp]

Make base and adv

[obsidian hound]

what would my red lady to sheriff become

[fast oar]

They gone or become a sheriff vio card

[next cedar]

Ghost lady

[lusty finch]

It'll be like shaman n trickster change

[obsidian hound]

?

[tranquil comet]

[lusty finch]

Yea

[lusty finch]

It was first role change

[obsidian hound]

well little thing, i hate being a protective role and i honestly would rather be rl than ghost lady

so id discard that card asap

[lusty finch]

Rl = Gl but gl has protection lol

Advantage

[obsidian hound]

i hate protection roles

[tranquil comet]

red lady to sheriff becomes red lady to ghost lady

aura seer to violinist becomes sheriff to violinist

bodyguard to seer apprentice becomes sheriff to seer apprentice

[obsidian hound]

i aint accepting no trash ghost lady

[lusty finch]

Use it for legendary one

[obsidian hound]

and id rather be sheriff than violinist

[lusty finch]

Aura - vio will be into ss or gambler i guess

Base role stays

[tranquil comet]

aura vio into sheriff vio

[dusky perch]

no its will be sheriff - vio

[lusty finch]

Rl - vio into rl - gl?

[obsidian hound]

sheriff is my favorite information role

[lusty finch]

Then you'll get for free

[tranquil comet]

yep

base means accessible to all

[obsidian hound]

wolvesville is making itself even worse for me, i am already gettin bored of the damm game but they decide to change my role card into smth i dont want.

im getting close to damm quitting if they keep ruining the game

[tranquil comet]

majority votes unfortunately

there are some changes I didn’t like too

[lusty finch]

But this change in option B will be good

[dusky perch]

why this is option in game

[steady quiver]

💀 idk

No

Phillipp delete your comment NOW

Please

[dusky perch]

there is nothing common between ed and corr other than being able to kill
anyway its dosent matter adv of sk or corr its one of the hardest role to play

[agile basin]

I'm agree, even tough we would be in the same case with sk/canni. Evil detective will be an advanced role that will be the base one, + an extra ability

[delicate scroll]

Pretty much

[dusky perch]

#buff_evil_detective

[lusty finch]

Fool card was enough lol

[lusty finch]

You voted for best options there,
here is your reward -

[regal cobalt]

Also bg and seer app WHAAA 😭

[lusty finch]

They'll do something in future

[tropic blade]

what is this

buff sk?

what's the reasoning behind evil det being sk's advanced

if anything evil det should be illu's advanced since they either have a way to manipulate info or give it themselves if needed

do we just want to reaffirm sk being the weakest solo or does this imply an sk buff?

[dusky perch]

more like sk buff

[vocal imp]

Keep ed corr adv and buff it

[humble current]

if they do make vio sheriff advanced, they need to revert the last buff of vio

[signal shell]

Redeem code ?

[ashen musk]

I saw someone with the Discord hat/ Discord shirt. What are the special discord items, how do I get them?

Go to #bot-commands and type ?discord shirt and/or ?discord hat. Please make sure to check your direct messages!

[plush hollow]

^^ @signal shell

[torpid sparrow]

How can u buff ED tho 🤔

[vocal imp]

Idk

[torpid sparrow]

"Once per game you can choose 3 people, if 3 people are in the same team they all die"

[plush hollow]

why always buff role tho? Some roles doesnt need to be buffed like sk (its supposed to be a basic roles=>easy to understand by new players), if we add some features it could be difficult for new players to understand everything. 👀

[plain coral]

its already quite difficult to understand in my opinion

ive been playing since 2018 so i understand it but when ive been trying to explain it for a long time to multiple people and failed

[strong escarp]

Is sherrif gonna be base role of vio?

[plain coral]

likely

[woven surge]

what's gonna happen to the sheriff epic card offer then

[opaque mulch]

So far this has been the only change in the card hierarchy :

base: shaman -> advanced: nightmare, trickster, voodoo
turned into
base: nightmare -> advance: voodoo
base: shaman -> advanced: trickster

And this is how the cards that were no longer compatible were converted:
shaman with nightmare card = shaman with trickster card
shaman with voodoo card = nightmare with voodoo card

[humble current]

at this rate I'm getting a free ghost lady card

[tranquil comet]

actually they don’t need to cuz was buffed as well and theres people here that still claim they would not play

[humble current]

still nerf ghost lady tho

[tranquil comet]

yep

[humble current]

while that is true, vio is a consistent every day check while sheriff is still inconsistent and only gives suspects

[tranquil comet]

vio is not consistent even with buff

[steady quiver]

MAKE GHOST LADY ADCANCED AS BG

[humble current]

come on, only when fool or rk die

[steady quiver]

AND ADD ME TO THE GAME AS A ROLE 🔥 fire update

[tranquil comet]

can’t check D1 still + you don’t have control over what dead to compare, always the first one who dies which its flawed in a few ways

• sb players just not doing anything unless seer tells them to

[humble current]

still gets a solid piece of information every kill unless two of the 15 other roles die

either way compared to current sheriff, it's overpowered

[humble current]

sandbox and corr's fault lmao

[tranquil comet]

well we can see, since will basically act as a third informer now but like its also easy to fake and any attempts to nerf after what the community wanted is likely not gonna be heard. with this change at least will not get more powerful than it already is

[tranquil comet]

its a fake testing mode lel

[humble current]

yeah I can see the backlash from the execution of a nerf but it's still a powercreep

ahhhh guess some roles will forever be powercreeps. mhm canni

[fathom niche]

I prefer sheriff being the advanced of vio, not the other way around

[tropic blade]

im shamaned pro

vio is not that easy to fake

aura is arguably easier

[fathom niche]

explain?

[tropic blade]

with aura you dont need a good knowledge of the game to fake it

just go like ''haha ur unk''

with vio you need to know its exact mechanics to make sure you ''check'' the proper people and give proper info asw

[humble current]

idk man guessing someone's aura sounds harder than being able to read who the hell died first

[fathom niche]

and I don't see what faking has to do with being base or advanced

[humble current]

unfortunately that matters, if base role is fixed, its advanceds can't be rrv

which I think should be addressed, gonna post a suggestion later

[fathom niche]

makes sense

[vocal imp]

Maybe make that ed gets info like a
Select up to 2 players at night you will see their role category (rrv rsv rww rk rv and other) you will be able to kill 1 player or both players (if they are in different teams) or choose to not kill if you checked 2 players that have the same team you can't kill for that night

[limber pond]

Anyone know of any active codes (if any)?

[torpid sparrow]

I have one
||AMOGUS||

The code above ||does noting||

[limber pond]

Ayo nice I got the ||literally nothing|| thanks

[lusty finch]

Prob the code - BABYSQUID
Still working 🤔

[unborn nimbus]

this is exactly what i was expecting... ||a prank code||

[heavy mantle]

Code is : WOLVESVILLESUS

[opaque mulch]

I don't think these codes are very known, they're from 2019 👀 also not sure if it's still active

||CYANBACON|| and ||DOTGAMERUWU||

[alpine kestrel]

I still have codes for my item in game

[lusty finch]

What type of codes
New or Exclusive ones

[opaque mulch]

designer codes for a specific item

a loading screen i guess?

[dusky perch]

say bye to

[plush hollow]

👀what Salem

[plush hollow]

Ahhshshs sus

[opaque mulch]

bye

[dusky perch]

a new hats will come

[opaque mulch]

did you redeem? first is a pig hat 😺

[plush hollow]

Oooh 👀niceee

Instead of your actual cats hats ?

[plush hollow]

Ahshhss shush

[dusky perch]

no more cats 😦
but there are 4 hats (2 wolf,bunny and bear)

[opaque mulch]

if it's not bird hats i don't want it

[plush hollow]

Oooh cutee 👀

I want bunny hats

[dusky perch]

waiting for promo yet

[plush hollow]

Ah it’s a bunny? Seem like dark ahhshs

Idk if I can match with something

Middle dark middle cute

[dusky perch]

i mean
that what its named

[plush hollow]

Ah yess

[opaque mulch]

with a nub skin, ez

[alpine kestrel]

this one cute too 🤪

[plush hollow]

Ofc ahaha

[daring parcel]

where is this from?

[opaque mulch]

unreleased

[daring parcel]

oh

they look like some which are already ig rn

[twilit pond]

#game-change-log message

oh it's here

[lusty finch]

Why are loading screens so expensive, i can't even flex it

[dusky perch]

make gl useless nice nerf 😐

[cloud cave]

nooooo gl nerf 😭

[tranquil comet]

how so

A isn’t a big nerf at all

B ok I can agree its a bit much

[cloud cave]

Astro nerf too 👀

[tropic blade]

both nerfs are horrid

[lucid depot]

how to get these hats

[tropic blade]

it'll be a starter pack

this is because it says

new starter pack

[slate estuary]

yeah she will be like old split wolf

I hope she wont get nerfed

[alpine kestrel]

you can already buy it in Wolvesville Web

[dusky perch]

whats the point being gl then ?
protect seer to die with them next ? being will be better than being gl

and astro even worst

[regal nova]

yea but then we have 3 categories of informers that all have the same kind of base role, just varrying in strength

I'd rather it be so it's family can be predictive, rather than just "3rd info"

[regal nova]

cap

[slate estuary]

exactly

[slate estuary]

astro is going to be completely useless if nerfed

forger better

[tranquil comet]

u still protected them for 1 night, that delay is not good for ww. and u don’t replace either, so this would be able to balance co-exisiting with other protectors

if u play as the secondary protect and protect when you are the final left, you don’t have to worry about the drawback at all

and they can still attack you too

nothings changed about that

can’t visit evil roles without dying

while can

[agile basin]

Red lady makes 2 villagers die when they visit the attacked. It is fair to make ghost lady do the same. A is balanced in my opinnion

[tranquil comet]

yep

[fathom niche]

Wdym

[regal nova]

and are all just but with a different metric

[fathom niche]

I just figured advances were supposed to be the “complicated” versions

Vio -> check a player learn if they lost a team member

Sheriff-> guess and check two players if they will die. Uncover two suspects you have to figure out which is the culprit

It’s been a long time since I’ve played either role though and not after their buffs

[frosty gorge]

Astronomer has been nerfed enough, doesn't need another nerf

If it's to nerf, then change the base role to a strong villager, so the astronomer could no longer be rrv... If nerfed further it's going to be a horrible role to play, just my opinion

[scarlet elk]

they keep nerfing village instead of buffing the werewolves 🤡

[tropic blade]

#dev-vote message sorcerer as it was at the beginning

[tropic blade]

villagers should NOT have the ability to win on its own and nor should ww

[tropic blade]

LOL

astro was buffed at first

it needed nerfs and it is still stronger than it was at the beginning, it is still unhealthy for the game

[scarlet elk]

what i mean is that put ww on equal footing with the village. It is not like astro is instant win with the village

[tropic blade]

IT IS

[scarlet elk]

keyword: instant

[tropic blade]

THATS THE THING

ASTRO CAN BE RRV SO POTENTIALLY THREE ASTROS INGAME MEAN WOLVES ARE USELESS FOR THREE DAYS PLUS THREE KILLS MEANS THREE EVILS DIE ON N2

IT IS AN INSTANT WIN AS IT IS RN

YOU DONT NEED A BRAIN TO PLAY AN ADVANCED ROLE

and that is bad

but since people wants the village to win without thinking, the game is at it is rn

[fast oar]

@fresh wren

[tropic blade]

those people that are saying ''astro doesnt need any nerf'' think that astro being able to press a button and be useful is good

[fresh wren]

Thank you

[fresh wren]

@regal nova

[frosty gorge]

That's why the only nerf could give is to make the astronomer a strong villager, being impossible to have more than 1 astronomer in the game. It could make the witch a strong villager or change the astronomer's base role.

Continuing to nerf the astronomer will become a boring role to play.

"Now the new moon only protects 1 villager" Imagine, it would be a nerfed witch

[tropic blade]

no because you can still protect one villager without needing to think about who to protect

and according to what ur saying roles like fc need a buff since theyre useless in almost all games

ok

if you wanna make astro a strong villager so needs to be witch, and as it is rn, astro is way stronger than witch -> the game is p2w

[frosty gorge]

Witch you protect, and protection only goes away if attacked. If the astronomer became this, it would be like nwm, the player would be protected but might not be attacked.

Witch kills 1 player, even being a villager without dying, astronomer if you kill a villager they die.

Just a nerfed witch, if it's going to become that, it's best to remove astronomer from the game and problem solved.

[tropic blade]

it is still mindless gaming

and even if it was a nerf, it still isnt ingame

focus on the current state of the game

focus on the nerf i chose rather than the one that is convenient for your argument

astro is bad for the game rn: 0 skill needed, p2w

best nerf would be leaving it as it was at the beginning

[tranquil comet]

wtf this is a good thing

[tropic blade]

requires a brain but has a lot of payoff

[tranquil comet]

you want 10 astros 4 stubborns

[tropic blade]

and astros would win

fyi

[queen flume]

Or get this

Make astro the way it used to be, by just disabling e v e r y o n e

[regal nova]

stealing thi

[queen flume]

Fr

[tropic blade]

literally what i said

[queen flume]

The people on this app are just u g h

[tropic blade]

literally the last #dev-vote

[queen flume]

Its not even the last vote

[tropic blade]

and even better, disable everything

[queen flume]

It just disables all killing

[tropic blade]

rn its too much for the village

[queen flume]

Ww and vill can still check

But im not wven mad about that

THATS WAY BETTWR THAN EVERYTHING ELSE.

[tropic blade]

@thorny tree add the ''disable everything'', village still gets too much value from a mindless thing

[queen flume]

Fr.

K gtg bye

[tropic blade]

cya

[tranquil comet]

wasn’t really balanced to begin with anyway and saying wolvesville is p2w when role cards only affect casual modes lol

[tropic blade]

which are 80% of gamemodes

theres a reason why astro isnt in ranked

[tranquil comet]

is a good enough change imo, 3 3 and 3 are all terrible

[tranquil comet]

of course who tf would add that shit in ranked

lol

[tropic blade]

witch and forger still have counterplay though

minimal but it exists

astro is just ''haha we can prove each other''

[tranquil comet]

yes of course

im just saying with and

[tropic blade]

imma watch a stream

[tranquil comet]

if only one exists in game

so be it

[torpid sparrow]

How about they make astro a unique role?

So more than 1 cant spawn

[regal nova]

better yet

just give it a second voting phase where votes are hidden instead

[marble remnant]

that wont rlly fix the problem as its currently a witch advanced
which is an RRV

[torpid sparrow]

Then just delete it
Easy 💃

[tranquil comet]

not as simple as u think

but making is trivial imo

[regal nova]

how so?

or do you mean that it makes a trivial issue

[tranquil comet]

easy to implement

they really are against deleting roles

[tranquil comet]

this too

at least they can be setup balanced by being fixed roles if

except but I don’t care anymore

[regal nova]

true

still in the camp of making NM ability a second worse voting phase

[torpid sparrow]

should sacrifice itself for the new moon

So wolves wouldnt be put intı disadventage in numbers

Many of the protection roles' puroase are sacrificing themselves so informers can live anyways

• it would prevent the night2 new moons as the killing abilty will go to waste

[edgy snow]

🤨

[torpid sparrow]

Noooo

I love my

Especially with the cool role icon

I dont want it to be erased from sb forever

[thorny tree]

(It wouldnt be erased from sb, you just couldnt get 3 in one game anymore)

[torpid sparrow]

But then i need to wait for rotations

Like &

[thorny tree]

If you think of a time when you're no forger, but a ww against 2 3 astros 👀

[agile basin]

Cupid and instigator are out from sandbox because they mix teams so make new role stats unclear, if I am not wrong

[rough loom]

Speculations in the market

[torpid sparrow]

Astro is the only problem

Witch itself if too weak to be

Meanwhile we have

[rough loom]

How much is wolvcoin worth now?

[thorny tree]

3 eggs

[rough loom]

I'll wait until the price falls, then to buy and earn.

Ez money

[regal nova]

wh

[torpid sparrow]

Maybe making a new role so astro can be advenced of it can be the solution

[regal nova]

mm???

[torpid sparrow]

Cause and doesnt deserve that

[torpid sparrow]

Compared to witch*

[regal nova]

like i agree w/ (in it's current state), and 100%

is arguably the strongest ranked so fine, butis really more of a nuisance, and is like peak balance

[torpid sparrow]

Having 3 docs is as much of a headache as having 2 witches + a doc for the wolfies

[regal nova]

I think I once made the argument that = & to an extent I stand by it, the thing is you need some kind of crowd control for a setup to be balanced, and is P much the only unoffensive one

[rough loom]

I disagree

[steady quiver]

What's your favourite role? I just wanna know

[tranquil comet]

not exactly, the can’t prove themselves and at any point you can kill one of them, and the other two won’t be trusted

[regal nova]

excusemewtf?

[tranquil comet]

meanwhile the 2 witches can just kill 2 ww whenever they feel like it

also goes the other way too

[torpid sparrow]

When writing the text, i was like "what rrv can kill people and is better than witch?" and i tought of flagger trappet and MM

[tranquil comet]

are you saying 2 level 10 players killing 2 villagers as is the reason it is weak enough to be

[regal nova]

MM in theory is valid, but it's so slow it's not doing jack unless you decide to pop n2

[torpid sparrow]

I always pop n2

[regal nova]

it's very rare it gets to pop both, acting like most of the time

[regal nova]

and how often do you die for it?

[torpid sparrow]

Uhh

Like 60%

[regal nova]

yea

that's what I thought

[torpid sparrow]

But

If i dont pop i die

[tranquil comet]

are also questionable to be but compared to then there is the mechanic of self killing

[steady quiver]

Inflation is causing everything badly... wov coin was worth 2 eggs but now its 3... this says a lot about the living cost crisis 🫤, I don't have any eggs :(

[rough loom]

No

[dusky perch]

1 coin = 3 eggs?

[regal nova]

@tranquil comet is this some arg?

hellllp

😭

[tranquil comet]

I have nothing to say about it

I just talked about gameplay thats it

[torpid sparrow]

Sorta

[steady quiver]

Inflation is so bad... it used to be 2... I ate all my eggs... Without cooking them...

[tranquil comet]

cuz the role being able to gamethrow is not a valid drawback and also thats more of a reason to limit it

[regal nova]

^

[tranquil comet]

besides, is a village killer right, if we talk sb lets say, theres always gonna be one setup where it will appear

all setups have 2 village killers fixed minimum

[steady quiver]

Where's the wizard??? Just because there's a witch doesn't mean there is no excuse to have a wizard!!! Argh...

[torpid sparrow]

Ye thats the thing, witch replacing vigi/jailor/priest is bad

Cuz it has protection as well

[tranquil comet]

inb4 gender lock

[torpid sparrow]

So there wont be bh/doc

[steady quiver]

What does inb4 mean?

[tranquil comet]

doesn’t have the luxury to decide who to kill

[regal nova]

in for?

[tranquil comet]

in before

[torpid sparrow]

Well it still kills

[steady quiver]

Witch should be strong villager

[tranquil comet]

yes but I’m saying thats why it doesn’t replace a major village killing role

the only major village killing base roles are and

[torpid sparrow]

They removed vigi from qg once and added witch

It was terrible

[regal nova]

based

[steady quiver]

Bully should be new base role

[tranquil comet]

in your opinion

[regal nova]

dude it's qg

[tranquil comet]

lets just give everyone their opinion

[regal nova]

it's always terrible < 3

pushes are so random

[tranquil comet]

he means he doesn’t like not having any day killers

[torpid sparrow]

But it got even worse when that rotation was around

[tranquil comet]

which is fair because fool exists

but so does seer

and other revealing roles

[torpid sparrow]

Seer still exists with vigi

[regal nova]

not as offensive as vigi in ranked

[tranquil comet]

it also can just replace too

[regal nova]

stares at felneus

[tranquil comet]

so double the revealing rolws

village doesnt need that many

[tranquil comet]

hey.. it was a failed experiment

[torpid sparrow]

That would make sense actually but still be a minor setback to village which is ok since its alr much better compared to wws

[regal nova]

wasn't bronze also ur fault?

(,:

[steady quiver]

stares in the darkness as I raise my opinion, a good one, obviously "bully should become base role!" some people look at my uneasy face and stare at me, as I send this message in Shame, soon going to regret ever sending this message forever.

[tranquil comet]

stahp it

[tropic blade]

not all players should be taken into consideration when doing balancing

balance team when

[olive pivot]

hi, how to get this chemical love back item ee? 🤓

[lusty finch]

Looks edited

Not sure

[steady quiver]

Solve the math

[alpine kestrel]

you need this offer and you have to trade a rose with a friend while wearing this skin

[olive pivot]

thank u so much!!

[regal nova]

#1070038322036101180

[solar ravine]

Ghost lady nerf should be auto lose when 1v1 rk

[daring parcel]

bh too

[torpid sparrow]

But bh can only stall

[dusky perch]

all rk should auto win in 1vs1 unless its rk vs rk

making game longer

[humble current]

nah

it does injustice for mayor preacher gg fool mm bully etc

[dusky perch]

whats the chance you be last with one of those roles

[cloud cave]

Rare but not impossible 👀

[dusky perch]

same for jailer tho

[thorny tree]

Jailer and ghost lady both create an issue -> forcing ties, the others don't

[frosty gorge]

flagger can also cause ties, if there is a Killer that can be redirected and they are aware that the other player is flagger, the Killer may simply not attack because they have no other option... But that depends on the situation

[tranquil comet]

true, basically has just as much problems in balance as does. I also argue needs a nerf, especially with this poll

#dev-vote message

and the many feedbacks backing me up as well. but I know people love as much as they do that theres no point even proposing a nerf at all but just add one anyway

[thorny tree]

Always suggest changes 👀

[frosty gorge]

About the astronomer, I just think there could be a role of a werewolf capable of blocking other teams from killing during the day, same with Guardian and flower Child, ww pacifist and pacifist...

becoming a balance

[tranquil comet]

Theres a couple already which I’ve had very long discussions with here but yeah I guess there isn’t a relevant enough nerf yet that people can get along with

Although recently I did also get inspired by what people had to say about too, since all of advance roles like are far stronger than the base role itself

[frosty gorge]

Trapper situation is like cannibal, you can play as sk using cannibal

[tranquil comet]

but the difference is is actually RRV strength while people think is somewhere between but can’t be called
and the downside they say is that they would be able to play their advance roles less often which doesn’t discredit being but just adds the argument of a lot of players being biased

[tranquil comet]

to is far more acceptable since is a fixed role

but I do agree needs more to be on par with and if it does change base role

[tranquil comet]

its just click a button without thinking and stop a whole team from killing.. that shouldn’t even be considered as a role

[frosty gorge]

Yes, but unfortunately astronomer has already been added in the game
In the case of the astronomer it should receive a complete rework and not a nerf, since the new moon is a problem

The devs are having problems with what kind of nerf give, so a rework is better

[vocal imp]

Ikr

[tropic blade]

buff sk

[solar ravine]

Flagger isnt op

[regal nova]

as solves a lot of problems

[regal nova]

I liked the OG version of the role better than any of the other ones tbh

because it essentially acted like a second voting phase, which IDM as long as there's some kind of caveat

like votes being hidden

[regal nova]

I...

feel weird about that...

Maybe nerf with some kind of anti-nerf?
like not being able to attack with a single hunger?

[tropic blade]

guess what

sk would still be weak

[regal nova]

ik

buffing sk just hits wrong for me

[regal nova]

maybe if it ignored prot?

a limited number of times

[pseudo charm]

Give SK a frenzy once

that'd fit the theme of the role

[tropic blade]

not that strong

[regal nova]

@tropic blade

[regal nova]

wait

not frenzy

just ignore prot once

something that keeps it basic

[pseudo charm]

Yeah but like

Frenzy as in they get to choose

when to use it

[vocal imp]

Agreed

[dusky perch]

what r the rules to be strong villager actually ?

witch is vigi with protection instead of reveal

[regal nova]

IDT there are

used to be one

💀

[tropic blade]

being strong

[regal nova]

it's just a sorta 'rule of thumb' type deal ig

[regal nova]

ignore this actually

i have no fucking clue what i meant

[tropic blade]

and being a villager

[dusky perch]

2 rrv witch is = 5 killing villagers

[dusky perch]

witch is strongest rrv yeh

[regal nova]

eh

[tropic blade]

flagger:

trapper:

[regal nova]

strongest balanced rrv

[tropic blade]

astro:

[regal nova]

but low key fuck rrv

[tropic blade]

tg:

tg second strongest balanced rrv

[frosty gorge]

put all roles as strong villager

[tropic blade]

oh don't forget about rl

gl*

[regal nova]

I wouldn't mind if it were like

you couldn't use s attack to kill s or make s kill themselves

and it didn't announce

[tropic blade]

well ratio

here you have a provable role that can redirect anything to anyone

🤝

[regal nova]

i'm saying "make it not provable"

🤓

[tropic blade]

well ratio

[dusky perch]

flagger cant kill who they want as witch can

[tropic blade]

rn we have a

here you have a provable role that can redirect anything to anyone

[tropic blade]

so...

[frosty gorge]

There are killers that flagger cannot redirect

[tropic blade]

two or three out of twenty

[regal nova]

in theory is a very cool concept

but in practice it's busted rn

[dusky perch]

witch stronger

[regal nova]

no?

[frosty gorge]

And unlike BH and Trapper, Berserk kills the flagger and the protected player

[tropic blade]

bh needs two days

[regal nova]

is 📣 that can protect themselves & save on kill

[tropic blade]

trapper needs time asw

[regal nova]

*kill on save

[frosty gorge]

Guardian ww needs buff
Jelly is literally a stronger version, the only difference is that Guardian can protect in real time

[regal nova]

rn i'm suggesting

I wouldn't mind if it were like

you couldn't use s attack to kill s or make s kill themselves
and it didn't announce

[regal nova]

guardian???

why not

[frosty gorge]

Guardian ww is one of the weakest wolves

Mostly compared to their advanced roles

[tropic blade]

paci ww

[next cedar]

Wwp is pretty much the same on terms of protection with gww and it could accidentally help village if you arent careful while jelly has to predict what happens in order to protect

Gww is even with advanced forms

[humble current]

gww, ww paci and jelly are all balanced rn imo

a lot of people prefer gww cuz they don't like predicting, others (and me) prefer ww paci because you can use it before gunner shoots, others prefer jelly to block a bullet/avenger entirely

it's a pretty good role tree

[regal nova]

idem gww vs jelly

[regal nova]

it's just paci is a strictly worse version of gww rn

if 's reveals were private & 's only showed to wolves, but makes it so that only is lynchable (obviously village wouldn't know who they are) then I'd be fine

[torpid sparrow]

U forgot

[tropic blade]

and avenger ofc

[regal nova]

flagger?

avenger yes

[tropic blade]

flagger doesn't cause ties

it causes wins

HAAHAAA+HA

[regal nova]

but flagger just wins

[torpid sparrow]

vs is one of the most glorious things ever

[frosty gorge]

vs too

[torpid sparrow]

Except if its and its advenceds

Well not for jww

[regal nova]

vs if you're good at the game

[frosty gorge]

Remove vote at the last second

[torpid sparrow]

Well, hh is basically villager at that point if you think abt it

[regal nova]

1v1 is a wolf win; 1v1 is a win; 1v1 is a tie

[regal nova]

yea but i don't mean fixed or

[torpid sparrow]

I meant it for

[regal nova]

i mean RV

[torpid sparrow]

Oh

[regal nova]

as in

[torpid sparrow]

Its been a while since RV was in setups

[regal nova]

"I'm arso & idfk which one this nerd is so I have to win a 50/50 twice"

[regal nova]

ranked

[torpid sparrow]

I dont play ranked

Ranked just kills the fun

I am and 1 night away from W in ranked
But a gunner shoots me with a THIRD BULLET

Never touched ranked since

[frosty gorge]

Imagine making fun of BH as a killer
You activate the trap, tie the vote, don't attack and let them set the trap again and then repeat the same process

[torpid sparrow]

Then it ties

🗿

[frosty gorge]

They will still be attacking during the night

[torpid sparrow]

No

Someone has to DIE

A doctor on a rampage can tie the game

And village is forced to lynch

[cyan dune]

vs 1v1

[torpid sparrow]

I saw that happen before

[regal nova]

i'd argue casual modes do

[torpid sparrow]

real

[frosty gorge]

Then the pacifist reveals someone

[torpid sparrow]

Certified moment looool

[cyan dune]

Yeah it also happened to me

I made cannibal eat themselves

Wov logic

[regal nova]

just tie that

ong

[torpid sparrow]

I made canni eat themselves too

And corruptor glitch themselves

Bandit/sk self stab

Never gottan alc self poison or ED self killing

[surreal swift]

If rk smart, they can win in this case

Flagger can't reddict attack to the same person in a row

[humble current]

they can tho

[cyan dune]

Yeah

[tranquil comet]

thats almost how a feels like

🤔🤔🤔🤔

[torpid sparrow]

Totally unrelated but i get your point now

Then how about we nerf witch?, instead of insta kill, it kills with wolves and rk at the end of the day

Same priority as corr/bandit selection

Or "death wish" ( )

---

But the main thing is
I dont give a flummery about witch

It can be erased from the game

I just love

[cyan dune]

Nah

[torpid sparrow]

After the new role icon

[cyan dune]

You can't kill as forger

Everyone wants to kill

K I l l

[torpid sparrow]

Nah

Forger > Every role except ( )

[cyan dune]

Lmaooo

[torpid sparrow]

Hell, even >

[tranquil comet]

so why u don’t want to call it strong if you really like so much

🤨

[torpid sparrow]

I like the icon more than the role

I mean just look at it

[lusty finch]

Insti

[craggy carbon]

Is there a special item if you own all animal zodiac outfits?

[daring parcel]

we need golden blue shield and gold blue sword

[daring parcel]

i like my golden ghost lady

[steady quiver]

Yeah you get a gravestone

It looks like this

[plush hollow]

It a cute grave stone that I used to use a lot before

[regal nova]

me shooting with 1st bullet and lynching wseer in f3

i like how this channel is just used as ranked general

[steady quiver]

Sameee, I still use it sometimes

[twilit pond]

Do u know if there will have new skin soon or a Valentine’s collection ?

[dusky perch]

mini collection

[twilit pond]

Like 380 by skin or again 50gems per item 🙄

[dusky perch]

mini collection # items collection

and even maybe 390gems

[twilit pond]

YOUHOUUUUUU

Thankssssssss

[steady quiver]

Me and the singles omw to buy all of them

[twilit pond]

Create an alt acc, go custom, and take pict

[steady quiver]

[plush hollow]

Same ahaha I love it 👀

[torpid sparrow]

Is there an easter egg for gifting the calender to someone this time?

[plush hollow]

Yes you will have a box if you gift to someone the minival23 calendar

This one

[torpid sparrow]

Anyone wanna exchange calenders? 👀

[twilit pond]

Like my pfp

[regal nova]

e

[daring parcel]

oof

not realy worth gifting someone the calendar just for that

[marble remnant]

these boxes are a meme

[whole bolt]

Well if u intend to buy u can trade with someone we both get the calendar and the box

[cinder turtle]

is calendar trades allowed?

[dusky perch]

Is drinking water allowed?

[cinder turtle]

Imagine drinking water in 2023🙄

[torpid sparrow]

I had a game

Everyone: "2 witches in sandbox are broken"
Meanewhile those witches:

||(this post has been made as a joke, please do not take it seriously)||

[tropic blade]

pro

[steady quiver]

My witch broke

"Guys I'm witch and I broke dw"

[dusky perch]

another reason to make witch rsv

[woven surge]

february epic card offers calendar i made ||paci and mm are switched, so are sheriff and wolf summoner||
(this only applied to february and is no longer relevant)

[toxic zinc]

oh wow there r so many epic card offers already

[frozen summit]

What is judge?

I heard some things about this new role but I need more explanation

[midnight whale]

This seems to be all we have which is from earlier in this chat

[daring parcel]

uh pacifist

we need a ed outfit offer

^^

[cloud cave]

wow so much epic card offers

[regal nova]

why are there so many zombies?

😭

[alpine kestrel]

cause the offer is new and will stay for more days than the others for this month

[tawdry ivy]

They are multiplying. Just like the actual Role.

[dusky perch]

Make more sense

[opaque mulch]

[tidal sable]

So far an upcoming role we still don't know much about. Two things you can do is scroll up a bit in #dev-vote (a vote for Judge's icon was being held there) or search 'in:rt-roles judge' in the discord search bar

[versed shoal]

The thing is. Sl and zombie will never be in a 1v1.

[regal nova]

no i mean either in a 1v1 against

[dusky perch]

now this better looking

[agile basin]

In game files right now?

[dusky perch]

yes

[versed shoal]

yeah, still. if SL is alive, sect members are too

[versed shoal]

I honestly liked

[agile basin]

Cool

[dusky perch]

new icon more like wolf controller

[versed shoal]

no

it fits the name "voodoo wolf" a lot more

[dusky perch]

agree

[versed shoal]

I still like old wolffluencer icon for the name "wolffluencer"

[mint widget]

I prefer this

[regal nova]

not always

for example, 2v1v1 against a villager and a wolf

or 1v2 against a wolf

(both examples assume it's night-time)

[regal nova]

nah

[versed shoal]

Villager to sl to wolf. Villager will always help sl since sl will convert

Also. Past day 3 and no zombies or wolves are dead. as village, it's not worth trying to kill zomvies anymore

focus on killing wolves

[regal nova]

disgustingg

legit

[regal nova]

again:

I'm saying if only the SL, werewolf, and... let's assume doctor, are alive

[next cedar]

Fake sl as ww

Simple

[regal nova]

assuming the doc was converted

in every 1v1 it's because someone (typically ) screwed up

in any case

[steady quiver]

Manipulate wolf sounds plain

Puppet wolf would be better

[fathom niche]

Nah. Just keep the name

[steady quiver]

Even better idea

[steady quiver]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

What about Conjuror

@dusky perch if Conjuror is changed then I know who to ping

[versed shoal]

Conjuror's new icon in #dev-vote looks too much like evil role tbh

Probably because of the shadow wold hands on the back

and the horns

[steady quiver]

It's probably added

[versed shoal]

If they were to change it to the left one, they should give the original icon to players who own conjuror before the change

or just give it as a free icon to everyone

I like the current conj icon

[tropic blade]

I like it

both because it's unique and because its my waifu

[versed shoal]

instead of changing conj's icon for everyone. Just let people choose :)

(Unlike the reason why bell-ringer got changed, cuz br old icon looks like golden role icon)

[tropic blade]

that'd mean giving free stuff -> less money

won't happen

[versed shoal]

They're gonna change the icon? and they already have both implemented

Free stuff > Unused content

[tropic blade]

idk how u know both are implemented

and if anything you'll have to do something to get it

[versed shoal]

I ssume cuz they gonna change it

[tropic blade]

thus not really a choice

don't assume anything

we have no clue if it's actually coded or not

[versed shoal]

This is speculations. it's all about assuming stuff

:)

[tropic blade]

it's about speculating

not about affirming stuff you don't know

[versed shoal]

Still left icon looks more like RK than a villager

[tropic blade]

idk what kinda logic that is but alr

[versed shoal]

They should have conj-like rk. but instead of just village roles, they can copy any role and use them for themselves

And they choose when to change to and from those roles

[tropic blade]

any role that is in that game you mean?

[versed shoal]

ya

any dead role they can steal. and they can drop it at any time

[tropic blade]

setup dependant, weak role

[versed shoal]

They must steal wolf to attack

Or village killing

Tho. backfire mechanics don't apply to them

[bold berry]

how would that work if they picked gunner/vigi?

since those roles get revealed when they shoot

[cyan dune]

It just doesn't reveal

[versed shoal]

when seen by info-role, they'll be seen as the role they copied

[bold berry]

oh yeah for some reason my mind went "that wouldn't be possible" lol

[cyan dune]

Lmao

[versed shoal]

I mean how about steal the abilities. but not actually change role?

Like you can see it as a tappable icon

"The gunner's gun was stolen by the insert hypothetical role name and shot #!"

[tropic blade]

bad role

[versed shoal]

Weak? probably. Fun? Absolutely

Not all fun roles have to be good

Look at bomber

bb more fun than arso. tho it's worse than arso practically

[tropic blade]

all roles need a chance of winning

this role doesn't in certain setups

[versed shoal]

Steal wolves to attack. Steal village killing to be seen as good + possibly kill/whatever

[tropic blade]

there aren't always ww

[versed shoal]

Corr advanced?

[tropic blade]

there aren't always vill killers

give it at least a way to kill on its own

[fathom niche]

Would probably cause confusion since both icons are nowhere similar

People would think they’re different roles

[versed shoal]

Fine. "steal another dead player's role or mark another player to kill. You will automatically steal the person's role after you kill them"

[versed shoal]

you say that but aura and red aura icon are nowhere similar and people easily confuse it for a different role

I thought it was a different seer too when I first saw it

[bold berry]

that sounds like even mroe of a reason not to do it lol

[fathom niche]

They are similar though

[bold berry]

just because one icon causes confusion doesn't mean others should too

[fathom niche]

Yellow star in the iris

Not hard to tell it’s aura

[versed shoal]

The most obvious way to see if it's aura(blue) /Spirit (dark blue) /seer (green) /app (light green) is thu color. and you see red makes confusion

(this is why all iris roles golden icons suck, as you can't tell them apart easily)

[fathom niche]

That’s true but has nothing to do with my point

[versed shoal]

That you'd mistake it for another role?

both golden aura and golden seer ingame. one of them dies. confusion happens.

It's nothing too different from current roles icons tbh

Left one looks like a halloween version of the right one

It's nothing too out of place

[fathom niche]

I just think there needs to be more resemblance

Only similarity is a hood but everything else is different

[tropic blade]

sounds good

[vocal imp]

A corr adv but instead of hiding roles it steals the glitched player's ability

Interesting

[fathom niche]

Role leak?

[versed shoal]

It's just this level of change

only thing similar is beard

[versed shoal]

just a role idea based on the rk-looking new icon of conj

[fathom niche]

Different colored jacket, different hair, different face, different gender, has horns and claws and no shovel

Anyway in the end it’s the devs choice on what they do with the icons

[versed shoal]

It's male?

I see it as female

It's more non-binary/androgynous tbh

now that you mention seeing it as male

[steady quiver]

I see it as tomboy imo. I can see what you mean tho

[torpid sparrow]

So cool, i love it

[dusky perch]

nothing make any sense

where forger has shovel or horns

[fathom niche]

Not talking about forger.

[dusky perch]

auh didnt read this

[steady quiver]

Is conjurors icon changed

[lusty finch]

I guess no but yea conjuror and wolf fluencer icons will change

[regal nova]

That but for the OG wolffluencer

[regal nova]

wh

last I checked (all of 4 hours ago) it wasn't...

[steady quiver]

In the files, not the update

Wait

I mean

Not in the current version

In the game files

[regal nova]

ok

[vocal imp]

#1071188892872618056

[sweet pier]

When judge

[fathom niche]

Wonder what role it’ll be tested with assuming it’s the usual two

[tranquil comet]

maybe this guy

[vocal imp]

Hopefully not another villager

Except if it's a jailer adv

[fathom niche]

New rk would be nice.

[dusky perch]

No and hope not
Its ugly keep original better

[vocal imp]

Yes

[versed shoal]

You can choose to revert back to your original role after the current phase (Night/discussion/voting) ends.

Weapons that usually backfire or reveal you, don't.

downside is: you are vulnerable to wolf attacks if you steal another player's role at night, though, you cannot be attacked by wolves if you are your original role.

(for balance reasons, limit gunner stolen to one bullet)

when scanned : you will be seen as the role you stole

interesting idea for corr advanced.

can also act exactly like sk if needed (like illu) tho you will never be disguised as another role, as you have to be your original role or stolen wolfs' role to attack.

[regal nova]

not every setup has those btw; it's very rare to see a fair setup with those

[regal nova]

or their general shape >_>

[regal nova]

new wfl icon is in-game 🤢

[regal nova]

or a balanced witch rrv

this just in: rnjesus hates me

[next cedar]

no aura is red

[whole bolt]

Read the chat to see their role

Or just click their role icon

[regal nova]

^

[solar ravine]

What abt conjuror

[versed shoal]

You can do the same with the hypothetical conj role icon being interchangable

[versed shoal]

Most people see the color first before shape.

[regal nova]

sure but still my point stands

[versed shoal]

Arso - protection bypasser + multikiller
Corr - fucks with info
Sk - The most basic of rk-s. Evil det as advanced after thinking about it honestly makes sense. as it isn't a straight upgrade, and like canni, just gives sk more options
Bandit - Conversion

[versed shoal]

Still, as what Minh says. people read the chat or click the role icon

also no other role looks similar to those two that could be confused for anything

[regal nova]

istg please tell me you aren't one of those people who claims "sk and canni are the same strength" T^T

[versed shoal]

no

I specifically said canni givez sk more options

Evil det allows for double kill, but with the risk of possibly not killing anyone

[regal nova]

ok good

[versed shoal]

sk to evil det Better than corr to evil det let's be honest

[regal nova]

well yea but

...
i think it was #1065360817375170621 or #1065647177394823219 iirc

[versed shoal]

corr + advamced about fucking eith village info

[regal nova]

but yea

[steady quiver]

Hmm k

[daring parcel]

i would hate it if i would get this challenge

[steady quiver]

I think the Conjuror icon won't be changed

[agile basin]

I hope so... Golden conjuror is... just so clean

[steady quiver]

It looks terrible imo

But it is still better then golden sk

[agile basin]

Maybe I have a huge fanatism for conjuror, but I really like it

[steady quiver]

Its too golden

[agile basin]

@proven forge You get a loading screen when you play a crazy mode for first time

[proven forge]

Oh

[agile basin]

The off loading screen is for playing as a hero for first time

[proven forge]

Oh I thought it was for winning as hero

[agile basin]

Oh, maybe

Not sure about that honestly 😅

but yeah, it is hero related

[fathom niche]

On pc?

[daring parcel]

waste of 48 cards

[agile basin]

Nah, I have bad luck. All cards I spent were the advanced role I didn't wanted

[cinder aurora]

Kinda ironic coming from someone who got golden wwfan

[daring parcel]

golden wolfi fan is the best

[cinder aurora]

🤡

[solar ravine]

💀

[regal nova]

I don't even have it

[regal nova]

*60

well unless-

well yea ig you aren't wasting the original 12 cards

so you're right, 48

[solar ravine]

12x4 tho

[regal nova]

x5 actually

it takes 5 epics to get a legendary

plus

[regal nova]

by that logic, you shouldn't even have 12

[solar ravine]

12x4=60?

[regal nova]

no-

I'm saying 12x5=60

[solar ravine]

You said 48

[regal nova]

5 epic cards = 1 legendary

[regal nova]

because you spend 48 to get a legendary

it just takes 60 cards in the first place

[tranquil comet]

4+ the one u want

so 5

[regal nova]

yes

[tranquil comet]

60 cards

[versed shoal]

12 common = 1 epic

[solar ravine]

I use the Pythagorean theory

[regal nova]

wh

how does that even apply here?

[versed shoal]

60 cards counting epic of the role you want to be golden. so actually waste of 48 cards.

[solar ravine]

ofc its 48 cards

• 1 epic so 60

[regal nova]

yes

[regal nova]

hence this

[versed shoal]

12 of the 60 is not wasted as it's to unlock the original non-golden role

[solar ravine]

Basically, you wasted 60 days for one legendary

[tranquil comet]

I “wasted” around 150 cards 😼

[solar ravine]

60x3=150?

[tranquil comet]

well.. i steal your cards anyway

so it doesn’t really count

[tranquil comet]

180 but i assume u dont count the epic u want yo upgrade

[torpid sparrow]

If you have golden, why yse cristmas/pass skin?

Golden insti>assassin insti imo

[solar ravine]

Cuz its limited

[torpid sparrow]

I have neon pass flagger

But i use golden

[solar ravine]

If you use golden = you trynna flex

[torpid sparrow]

Exactly

[solar ravine]

I also used golden flagger

[torpid sparrow]

Why upgrade a card to golden if you aint gonna flex

[solar ravine]

Its a bad idea of upgrading cards to legendary before getting every epic card first

[torpid sparrow]

I have every epic card, except wolves, rk and

[solar ravine]

I always see Golden Analyst tho

[torpid sparrow]

Me too

And golden vigi

[solar ravine]

Or fool

[torpid sparrow]

Yea

Never seen a golden yet

[solar ravine]

I see golden illu before

[torpid sparrow]

😵‍💫

[solar ravine]

And ed

I want astro get valentine icon

[daring parcel]

let's not count the original cards to it

cause you not lose them anyways

[tranquil comet]

limited + i upgraded for 4 perks system

conjuror - XP farmer
graverobber - Gold/CQ farmer
insti - Rose farmer

and I can still play most roles

because I steal other roles

so icon doesnt matter so much anyways

[solar ravine]

You can get free golden icon

Without a card

[fast oar]

How

[solar ravine]

Just let golden zombie bite you

[torpid sparrow]

Or a golden version of ur role must be in game

[solar ravine]

No

[torpid sparrow]

7 and 16 are golden cuz of me

[grizzled hearth]

Lol

[solar ravine]

Its visible to u not them

[torpid sparrow]

When they die, it is

Or when i die

[versed shoal]

Actually if someone with golden icon turns to zombie. everyone in the server sees the role icon change to golden. Basically exposing that zombies still ingame

and someone with high level and with zomb gold icon got turned.

[whole bolt]

everyone see u, 7 and 16 are golden icons
But on 7 and 16's devices will show their own active icons

[worldly veldt]

Can someone tell me some easy and cheap Easter eggs? (I have the basic ones tho)

[solar ravine]

Nope

[winter sorrel]

Golden Zombie card owner here

[torpid sparrow]

A bit based but cool since you arent forced to use

[woven surge]

@sweet pier do you mean like this

[sweet pier]

Oh yeah

[tawdry ivy]

Despite me never meeting you in the Game, the Fact you have Golden Zombie already tells me I don't like you.

[fickle monolith]

Lol maybe they use it for gold bandit

That what I'd do

[torpid sparrow]

Officially perma-banned
||/j||

If a person is presented with an oppurtunity to pick between / or and they STILL choose , they should be imprisoned for violating the Geneva Convention

||not|| /srs

[unborn nimbus]

They are joking right? Please tell me its april fools joke, this role sounds too poor... simply you kill the point of discussion and i dont see any difference between this and og zombie.

Like, what is this, does the player automatically lose if they try posses someone with a trap or jailed?

[tropic blade]

what makes you think that

[unborn nimbus]

Experience, playing as bh and losing game to zombies until i stop counting

[tropic blade]

but you can just try to bite twice

[unborn nimbus]

Joke aside i dont like the mechanic of losing chat, why they adding that

Its like not even using chat and hoping to win

[tropic blade]

to avoid people misusing it

I could posses x and make them say slurs

[slate estuary]

I think that role is very fun instead

[unborn nimbus]

You switch user, you die if they die and lose the game

Its the third rk that has no ww immunity by existing

[tropic blade]

if all bullets die and fool is possessed, the game ends up in a fool win or a tie

[slate estuary]

Well on 15 people wolves are surely going to kill thr possessed one

[unborn nimbus]

Also it will be pain as it will just take down seers

[tropic blade]

the role on itself sucks HAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[unborn nimbus]

Imagine you took seer and ww decided use shadow

[vocal imp]

Tbh I think that role is op

[slate estuary]

yes

[unborn nimbus]

Its weak, i think even bomber is better than this poor thing

[vocal imp]

You fr

[slate estuary]

You are judging the role without even trying it

[unborn nimbus]

It litelary says if you stay with the target you die you lose

[vocal imp]

Yeah just dont possess early

Lets say its late game and ww are winning just possess a ww and its almost impossible to lose