Demon Avenger

[sweet dune]

Revenant on Demon Avenger applies a character effect that isn’t a buff that makes you unkillable. When leaving a boss if the effect was on your character it stays on you forever until Revenant is cast again. You can use this bug do harder bosses or go further in dojo as long as Revenant isn’t cast again.

It isn’t directly connected to dojo. I thought it was because I always enter after bosses.

I normally can’t solo arkarium but I did today

[teal kettle]

Oh snap. Solo will gloom archon and everything else I can’t do.

[sweet dune]

Yeah I couldn’t solo arkarium yesterday but today I soloed lotus and archon lol

It appears that after the next boss clear the unkillable effect goes away. So if you want to abuse the glitch save your expeditions, and before you kill Cygnus use revenant. Then kill the next boss. Then Cygnus again.

[teal kettle]

Definitely will try to take advantage tomorrow. Saw your message too late. So entire mu lung is considered one boss? Therefore need to activate Cygnus then mu lung then Cygnus then boss I want to clear?

[lean socket]

Comca here soon

[frail snow]

Any practice mode works fine

[teal kettle]

Ok this is not quite as amazing as I initially thought. Basically you give up v4 dmg to keep the unkillable status. But turns out my dps is very limited when I can’t use v4. So it isn’t allowing me to clear any boss that I couldn’t before. Still a very interesting find.

[frail snow]

Yep

Good for early game AB

Just leech and can' die

[brittle ravine]

True. But if your HP is constantly at 1 then you can’t cast skills to kill the mobs also.

[frail snow]

Let V1 do the job

[brittle ravine]

Good point. Imma do that on my DA sub 😂

Did an emblemless necro weapon for it so i also have FT on during AB.

[frail snow]

[proud void]

What a beautiful day

What in the world

[sweet dune]

That is correct. It’s allowed me to clear lotus and archon

[proud void]

Do i have to exit the boss for the effect to be on?

And does it work if i produce in practice mode then go into mu lung?

[frail snow]

Exit while in effect

[proud void]

Thanks, ill try

This actually works

Oh my lord

[frail snow]

💀

Yes gonna get patched tho

Delete all evidence?

[proud void]

Ong

[frail snow]

I feel like DA mobbing kinda sux eh

More than half the time ABing, my nether shield and dash doesn't even get casted. Mobs just die too fast to party members or our V1

Anyone else same?

Fever gauge barely charges too

[crimson marsh]

Da is one of the best mobbers lol

Dash and shield thats it

[frail snow]

Where u ab at

[crimson marsh]

Everything dies because of demonic frenzy

Af170

Farmer

I just walk around

I don’t use thousand sword because it drains 10% hp every time u cast

Dangerous cuz mobs die fast in auto battle if u cannot heal fast enough u die

Nether shield should be the first thing u cast so u can start life stealing

[frail snow]

But my point was DA seldom casts shield during AB

[crimson marsh]

How come

[frail snow]

No mobs around

[crimson marsh]

Ur character not moving at all?

[frail snow]

No they die too fast

[crimson marsh]

Are you in a public or fixed party

Because i often seeing 4/4 parties because of this

Sometimes even 3/3

[frail snow]

Public 6/6

[crimson marsh]

Damn

My other characters in af170 sometimes doesnt move at all as well

I have to look for party with less mages

Sometimes i join 4/4 parties

[frail snow]

My DA moves around very nicely

[crimson marsh]

No need bat swarm

Good life steal but better to cast nether shield faster

Nether shield swap with dash

[frail snow]

??

[crimson marsh]

Skill sequence wrong already

Bro skill casting sequence in ab wheel is wrong

[frail snow]

I don't even cast dash lol

[crimson marsh]

But if u can cast a skill it should be nether shield

No need will skill also

No use

Skill wheel cast priority

The AI will always go in this order

Yes your team kill fast but if there is a chance for you to cast a skills you need to prioritise Nether Shield

So your 1 should always be Nether Shield, then 2 is Dash

The rest take out (bat swarm, will skill)

The casting goes in a cycle

1 to 8

So if you only put 1 and 2 it will reset after 2

Only applies to active skills

[frail snow]

aight

[dreamy rose]

whooooaaa, I had no idea about any of this. thanks

[proud void]

All i got on mine is dash, shield and thousand swords - just to keep up the stacks for my dash

[proud void]

This the patch notes from korean server

It looks like we’re getting a decent buff

[hoary dove]

those translations though..

[mystic fern]

Oh they buffed the lines?

[mystic fern]

Would you mind sharing the link? Thanks thanks

[frail snow]

That doesn't look korean

[last raft]

Hey yall. What does DA excel at? Picked up a cheap Jaihin trash emblem

Wondering to burn 1-200 or wait for 220

[mystic fern]

When you mentioned it. It seems chinese forum. Korean letters has small circle in there letters or smth

[mystic fern]

I think when farming the passive kills is quite good. DA has permanent buff and passive buffs that dmg the mobs around him. They just run around the map and mobs are just dying. In bossing i really dont know yet since im not even at mid game 🥲

@last raft these are the two skill if u need the info. Demonic frenzy and demonic blast

[frail snow]

Yea AHAHAH i'm chinese

[frail snow]

We getting a bufffffff tho

[last raft]

Oo shiok. Walking simulator

Thanks mate

[proud void]

Then help me translate the buffs correctly

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/juCBK4kz63h7H0-7Bef55Q

Okay yeah that was chinese not korean😂

[frail snow]

wp

[proud void]

Tho it looks like they nerfing out life steal again

These guys cant let our hp be alone

[frail snow]

v1 damage reduction nerf

[proud void]

All over its a buff for dps, but they nerfing our hp/survivability/sustain

[frail snow]

????? forbidden contract doesn't make sense

if we need hp to cast, what's the point

another stopid decision

[proud void]

https://tenor.com/view/nexon-quality-nexon-quality-approves-okay-gif-16986913

[frail snow]

do they even test their game...

[proud void]

Well my server dont got oeigin yet so im hoping there will be a small difference in the changes compensating for this

[frail snow]

oeigin?

seems to me they are testing on other maple servers to implement on global

[mystic fern]

Bro why nerf our survivability. We cant even benefit on potion already... I hope global will not implement this....

@frail snow do you encounter survivability in your current set up during farming or bossing in high higher SF or bossing?

[ember cargo]

Huh 100% to 50% is the cost reduction right

Means no free skills anymore ?

[proud void]

I disnt even notice this

[ember cargo]

Means if you get those 1 hit skills while on revenant you can’t attack at 1hp again

What a nerf smh

[proud void]

Bruh

They are taking away the one and only reason DA can have hp cost on skils

[ember cargo]

Can’t even heal back properly with heal nerf

[proud void]

Yeah

If this is similar patch on eu i might actually rr from this

Rr from msm to clash of clans again

[ember cargo]

Should have rerolled during item change event

Hopefully global not these changes

[proud void]

No turning back noe

Yeah

[ember cargo]

But they like to copy and paste

So

[proud void]

Ya they did so last patch

Tbf it doesnt impact many on the eu server as we’re only 2 active DA’s

[frail snow]

Not really

[frail snow]

I use my main weapon for ab

[mystic fern]

I see. Thanks beaned. It seems i need a necro to survive to higher AF maps to kill mobs instantly..

[frail snow]

No ah

U just need to 1 tap it

Not necessarily a necro

I using it cuz i sold my exp weap

[mystic fern]

Im 2 tapping mobs. My problem is my hp. If couple of mobs respawn beside me or I can't lifesteal due to full party. Im dying during AB.. thats why demonic frenzy is kinda meh with low hp, hp potion doesn't help due to 3% hp recovery restriction. I only have 104k hp as of now... Either 1 tap or high hp.

If only i have decent link or legion.. i only have total of 8 slot xD i need to workout my char slot..

[frail snow]

Hp pot helps

[teal kettle]

I hope gmsm understands that we have like 1/2 of hp compared to kmsm compatriots

[frail snow]

Even if they buff line count of revenant, sometimes getting reduced to 1 hp while casting will result in us just standing there with the new forbidden contract

[ember cargo]

Maybe 6th job skill makes all hp cost 0

Pray

[mystic fern]

Or at least not percentage cost..

I saw in kmsm they hp is around 1.1m which is crazy it seems like immortal at some point.

[brittle ravine]

Exactly this. If this change to forbidden contract really comes to msm, I’m seriously considering to quit this game.

[ember cargo]

Just quit. No hope for DA

Not a popular class so no incentive for change

[proud void]

From how the looks of our 6th job looks on pc (not the same game ikik) there wont be anything that changes our hp cost or sum, all that it is, is an longer iframe where were invincible for the cast time

So yeah

[proud void]

Second this

[frail snow]

How's DA's v6 bursts on PC tho?

It does look semi visually appealing

[proud void]

Very strong

Theres a lot of boosts comming through hexa

And the origin/requiem has a lot of dmg

And decent lines

Its 6 min cd, but i imagine they reduce the cd and dmg to match 3m burst for msm

[hoary dove]

true.. I don't understand Revenant mechanic that leaves us with 1 HP, then impenetrable skin is the only thing that is in DA kit that can circumvent this? Those 2 vskills need to be maxed just to be useable to reduce cooldown?

[frail snow]

Well every job's V matrix needs to be maxed to match cd

Overload release can be used to restore hp also

[hoary dove]

I know max v matrix is needed to maximize the class potential. But some classes don't need skills to be maxed to be useable for bossing. And not all warrior class is dependent on impenetrable skin to be usable

[hoary dove]

can't even use skills during 1 HP phase, and with demonic frenzy turned on the healing is limited from overload release. So I have to manually turn off demonic frenzy and use overload release to restore HP and this just feels clunky in game

Revenant is an iframe that needs an iframe lol

[frail snow]

Hm

[proud void]

If youre having struggles keeping up hp when bursting/using revenant, u can toggle off frenzy, use bats and then overload release and go for burst

I found that this helps in will practice to keep the hp up in critical moments when you get hit a lot - but not from oneshot attacks

Ofc bats are optional, but it works if youre borderline on enough hp

[frail snow]

hmm is that the only use for bats

also in this context, bats > shield?

[proud void]

I see no other reason to use bats other than maintain healing in situations like that

Personally gone for shield instead of bats at all, but i have bats on second page just in case i might need it

[frail snow]

LESGOOOO

FORBIDDEN SAVED

Demonic frenzy is actually huge ???

Although the buff on lines is not that crazy

[proud void]

10s tho

[frail snow]

I mean it's within the range of burst

Bruhh impenetrable skin rework kinda sucs

[brittle ravine]

DA can officially use PE now 🤣 but when below 50% HP

[proud void]

Always had pe at 30%

[brittle ravine]

Never used PE before in my life. Lol always delete it

[frail snow]

This situation suxs tho

[proud void]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-brainlet-microwave-smoke-dumb-gif-3026155548321433372

[frail snow]

If u equip PE those soft hitting attacks will drain ur PE

But when a hard hitter hits we go back to 100% hp

[proud void]

Ya

Overall we cant really complain abput this update

[frail snow]

Still not worth using PE imo

Drain

[proud void]

All they did was buff dps and reduce sustain

And they havent fixed our smol secret either

[brittle ravine]

I’m planning to put PE at 10% and manually click on it during bossing. Let’s see how it goes

[brittle ravine]

Really? I thought i saw my sub char died even after i did it

[proud void]

I have had that experience too

But it happens if ur cursed

And i think if certain conditions are met it happens to turn off aswell

Im still trying to figure out exactly how tho, i think it has something with psrty iframes to do

[frail snow]

HAHAHA

[proud void]

Idk if u guys noticed, but if you try to do it but clear the boss when its active it deactivates

[brittle ravine]

Ohh makes sense

[hoary dove]

yea, the heal limit change looks good

[proud void]

This is bad tho

[hoary dove]

Why is this bad? It still matches the 2 min cd of revenant and now covers the whole duration of the 5 second mechanic at the end

[proud void]

Yes but if revenant is down, what iframes do we have?

[hoary dove]

Ah.

[proud void]

Yes, this means we now lack iframes bad again

[frail snow]

Blud, using impen skin is not part of the rotation

Revenant is already an iframe

[hoary dove]

How do you get out of the 5 second mechanic at the end where it leaves you with 1 HP?

If you don't use an iframe during that time?

[frail snow]

Let my hp drain

I don't

And i live perfectly fine

[proud void]

You avoid to drop to 1% my any means

[hoary dove]

Okay let hp drain.. and get 1 hit? or you just do your best to avoid damage?

[frail snow]

No i heal up

[hoary dove]

So you will turn off demonic frenzy and overload?

Sorry, wrong reply lol

[proud void]

Now we dont need to as its heal lock has been changed

[frail snow]

Yes

I usually just drain my hp and still get enough regen

If not i just use Overload Release

[hoary dove]

How? Sorry I am a DA noob and don't understand how to avoid goind down to 1%

[proud void]

I assume you OR at <10% hp?

[proud void]

No worries

[frail snow]

It's fine to go down to 1hp

[proud void]

Overload release will let you heal, and demonic frenzy will now allow you to heal when <50% hp

[frail snow]

As long as u aren't getting hit

I mean u still won't really reach 1hp if u got nether shields/bats hitting for u

[hoary dove]

Okay yea, I understand that change is coming tomorrow

[frail snow]

Hmm so manual overload release?

[proud void]

With this change of frenzy i think we dont need to manual Or anymore

As we can now use or to keep hp above 50%

Im not confident that will work yet tho

[frail snow]

Yeehaw

Can i solo gloom post patch?

[proud void]

Yes

Reproduce revenant and you already can

[frail snow]

Wdym

Like the immortal buff

[proud void]

Yeah the buff

[frail snow]

Nah i need the dps

I can't do that

Esp after rev is buffed

[proud void]

Try in practice mode

If you dont have issue with surviving then you defo should be able to

[hoary dove]

it made DA the best alt for AB

[hoary dove]

i meant to reply to this lol

[proud void]

Debateable

[hoary dove]

my bad haha

[frail snow]

Ehhhhh yea ig if u can't survive normally

[hoary dove]

yea so cheap immortal alt for AB

[frail snow]

But with the new frenzy rework, don' need the glitch anymore

[hoary dove]

can automatically survive high SF maps

[proud void]

Yea

I only use it when doing will

[frail snow]

Don't u lose much dps?

[proud void]

I do

Do note that im only doing practice on will, i’m not able to clear yet

[frail snow]

Haizzz kinda sucs cuz Nexon don't ever do immediate changes for skills

Would prefer 3s iframe

[fossil lynx]

They finally made a huge improvement on DA’s demonic frenzy

No more 1% HP

[frail snow]

[fossil lynx]

Looks like amongst all warriors

Paladin got hit the hardest

In terms of support

Does this rebalance means Avenger is on par with Slayer now due to much better survivability

[frail snow]

Eh idk how DS works lol

Do they have lifesteal?

[fossil lynx]

I think they have

[proud void]

Ds got buffed

In terms of dps

[fossil lynx]

But theirs is 25% Max HP every 5 secs

[frail snow]

Just hope DA 6th job besssss

[frail snow]

That's alot hmm

[fossil lynx]

DA should be better in the long run since yall are final damage heavy

DS will suffer when mdc keeps increasing

[frail snow]

Anyone can explain how 6th job works? LOL

I see that the nether shields get replaced with bigger ones

Or is that just a separate skill

[proud void]

Exceed gets buffed aswell

But not quite sure exactly how it works

[frail snow]

Can't beat them if no money for MDC

[proud void]

Ya similarly funded, da has fewer lpm aswell, so we lack a bit there

[frail snow]

Wdym exceed gets buffs

[proud void]

6th job is a new matrix, hexa

And it will come with buffs for certain skills and so on

[proud void]

^

[frail snow]

Oh so like bigger shield is an upgrade?

[proud void]

Source is from pc tho, so ofc there will be differences

[proud void]

Think so, as in an passive upgrade to the skill

[frail snow]

Is it permanent?

[proud void]

Not sure, i hope so

[frail snow]

Oo

Eh how do u feel about the main burst of our 6th job?

Animation wise

[proud void]

But please do keep in mind this is from pc, so we can expect a lot of difference

Its cool

Long iframe

Good buff to dps and has good dmg from the origin itself

[fossil lynx]

Oh damn their rebalance is quite good

But their iframe is kinda confusing

Not sure how it affects their survivability

[mystic fern]

I like DA more. Its more simple xD total 30 sec of iframe now

Im practicing the overload use now. Seems very tricky

[fossil lynx]

Life leech best

[mystic fern]

Yeah best class imo

[fossil lynx]

I feel yall DA will see justice once 6th job comes out

[mystic fern]

Yeah cant wait to 6th job also. Origin skills is badass

Nether shield is 4 now instead of two

I dunno if same with mobile. I saw in YouTube nether shield has 4 shield instead of 2.

[unkempt barn]

So when u at 1hp after revenant and pop OR, does it fully heal you or just put u at 50% hp?

[proud void]

It will fully heal, but after 50% it will slow downt since frenzy liniter kicks in at >50%

[hoary dove]

Doesn't this mean that if you have frenzy on and is below 50%, you will only get 10% heal from OR?

[frail snow]

No

Heal block kicks in when hp >= 50%

[hoary dove]

ohh yea you are right. thanks!

[proud void]

What are we supposed to do with these?

[frail snow]

Idk

I used for decent

[proud void]

I feel stronger, but i noticed revenant shorter ya😂

[frail snow]

Shorter?

[proud void]

Jk, i thought wrong skill, ment forbidden contract

[frail snow]

It is shorter

[hoary dove]

Wew, I just tried DA after hot time AB. It feels a lot better to use now for me

and it seems they haven't fixed the secret yet..

OR feels a lot smoother after revenant now

[hoary dove]

Yoo finally cleared solo Ark, lvl 209 DA

didnt use bug

[frail snow]

Gratz

[frail snow]

Whrre u got that vamp eyes tho

[hoary dove]

TS haha

[frail snow]

How much?

[hoary dove]

2 showed up in my server recently, and I bought them both for my main and this alt. 200m and 400m lol

[frail snow]

Wow so cheap

Mine not selling haizz

When did u buy em?

[hoary dove]

last week

[frail snow]

Dayum

[raw grove]

any DA down will got video pls. Harch as well. I was toggling on and off (sometimes just off) for will

[ember cargo]

Now you don’t need to

[mystic fern]

The rebalance was pretty good! Im not dying during AB now. Bossing survivability was pretty good also

But im disappointed in DA weapon market. No necro in shop if it there was its pretty overpriced. While dagger is cheap, my 2nd choice is to rr db or shadower -.- i failed my necro attempts 4/5 now.. my dmg is gatekeep by not having necro..

[frail snow]

Apparently we still cannot use PE

Just goes up to 50% and stop there

[limber arch]

yea heal block kicks back in +50% 😂

[frail snow]

But why tho

Not like a heal from the PE is done over time

[proud void]

https://tenor.com/view/nexon-quality-nexon-quality-approves-okay-gif-16986913

[proud void]

Reduce DA’s healing by what 90% in two patches and then not letting us heal up to 100% from the most expensive pot in the game

[ember cargo]

That just means DA need double the HP

50% is the new 100%

[frail snow]

Ya that's what i thinking also

[frail snow]

Ur DA can boss anot?

[ember cargo]

Can

Why can’t

No difference from before patch still doing lotus

[frail snow]

[unkempt barn]

I’m looking for 2 min line count along with battle analysis results. Please let me know your best number!

[raw grove]

u cleared will already?

[mystic fern]

Is this still the right hyper passive? Or change the Exceed - Deadly Crits to Nether Shield - reinforce? Since im nowhere near to capping anyway? It might be useful for ab also.

1. Exceed - Reinforce
2. Exceed - Boss Rush
3. Exceed - Deadly Crits
4. Exceed - Additional Reinforce
5. Nether Shield - Persist

[frail snow]

Yea used to have these

Swaped one for OR max stack 18

Dk if it's worth LOL

[mystic fern]

Yeah im kinda confused which is which. It seems all of our hyper passive are needed xD

I mean does nether shield final dmg is a big boost tho? Although its mainly for abing

Or just stay for these passives for now. I can only think to chnge is deadly crit exceed to OR if nether final dmg isn't worth it

[hoary dove]

Can anyone help me understand this skill? So what's the difference if I activate the additional functionality? It automatically becomes a burst skill?

I mean what's better for damage? Or is it situational?

[mystic fern]

Its our burst. Yeah its situational. For example in vellum you don't want to activate the additional function cause the boss keeps on hiding.

[frail snow]

Lock is best

[raw grove]

i unlock it for AB

but boss i lock it

[proud void]

Anyone got thousand swords lvl 60?

[frail snow]

Uhh i do

[frail snow]

Why?

[proud void]

Could you show me the stats of it and a one time use in fog? Im considering making new trios now that we got so many open spots

I dont see any reason not to have it maxed now

[frail snow]

Wym stats

Standard 120% inc

[proud void]

I assume cooldown same then

[frail snow]

Huh

[proud void]

Man just show me a use in fog

[frail snow]

Since when nodes affect cd of skills from below 5th job

[frail snow]

That's one way to ask

Why are u even asking tho??

Line count stays the same

Just read

Man just answer my question

[proud void]

Since youre asking so nicely: im carrying alts in lotus, but the bots are killing them so fast, so im considering lvling it to see if ill be able to clear bots with only that skill to easen the dodging for the alts

[frail snow]

Lol

Thank you since ur'e replying so nicely

[proud void]

[winter silo]

Any of u uses Thousands Swords during bossing?

[frail snow]

Depends

I do use for mobs

Maybe sometimes when ur revenant is down

[proper ermine]

Hows the class in sf158 without mythics and lv 60 nodes

[limber arch]

my knowledge on that is way outdated, maybe someone else has an insight

[toxic harbor]

Hit count demons avenger in 3 min?

[proper ermine]

Is demon avenger or Slayer better for mobbing in high sf maps?

[crimson marsh]

Avenger

[hallow sky]

Hi, im planning to make new main between demon slayer / demon avenger, is there any video that shows the pro & cons about the demon class? Or can you guys share some experience playing that demon class? Any opinion will be very helpfull, thankyou.

[frail snow]

For maple M prolly not

[proud void]

Dont plan it to much, make both and continue the one you find yourself playing/enjoying the most

[limber arch]

^ this, like learning to enjoy "not enough hp" on da

[proud void]

[frail snow]

Ot actually is insufficient

[mystic fern]

But we are one of the best in AB anyway.

[frail snow]

Are we tho

[proper ermine]

Better than slayer

[crimson marsh]

Yes

[proud void]

The sustain, mobility and timed continous aoe makes it kinda top tier for ab

[winter silo]

Dont rly get the purpose of that skill. Not too used to it when using on bossing hahaha

[signal lagoon]

it's helpful for any boss with mobs e.g. lotus P1 mobs, but not much use beyond that

[frail snow]

Yea, if they make the animation instant, it might be a dps gain outside of v1

[proud void]

Did they patch?

[short epoch]

Can u show How do you have the skill preset configured?

[mystic fern]

I'm not hardcore in bossing. But this is my setup might be wrong. I'm not sure if nether slice is necessary tho. I heard its working also with allies.

You can ask our top DA @frail snow

[frail snow]

Nah bruh

[frail snow]

Im also not hardcore

[frail snow]

Nether slice isn't necessary when u cap easily already since it grants a -10% phy dmg reduc on enemies

[frail snow]

Also, what is ur main skill that u spam?

[mystic fern]

I see. the preset that has thousand swords. XD haven't remove that yet. Don't know if its worth putting in preset when have trinodes. My 1st trinode are execution/ shield/exceed 2nd trinodes now are nether slice, thousand sword/dash not necessary I guess but have free slot so i put in the slot also. But honestly i don't know cause im in early boss as of now..

[frail snow]

Do u use infernal exceed at all?

[mystic fern]

Sorry. I dont get the question. XD but its passive i think?

The one that when you use exceed skill

Its boosted by infernal exceed node

[frail snow]

Uhh i maybe forgot the name of the skill

This skill

Do u use it in ur skill wheel

[mystic fern]

Yes it in my preset also.

[mystic fern]

Bean no rush when you online. Can you SS that web skill also and preset. Cause i dont see the 4 buff i have that i need to cast before bossing

This one

Or you have mpet thats why its not in skill wheel?

Cause what im doing stack exceed to max then cast that buff and burst

[frail snow]

Not at the moment

[mystic fern]

It seems dimension sword is in pet slot? And i totally forgot about the bat! That's extra lifesteal also that you mentioned before. I forget about it. Lol.

[frail snow]

Never

Bat is horrendous in dealinh damage

Use it to heal only

[mystic fern]

Yeah for extra healing only

Imma try it later again in ark

[frail snow]

U use dimensional sword in pet?

Or bossing?

[mystic fern]

No no

[frail snow]

AB is fine

[mystic fern]

Always in manual cause its short to miss

In bossing its manual tho. But in ab its on auto

[frail snow]

Then it's fine

How are ur gears?

[mystic fern]

Still the same wait let me online

[frail snow]

Ok

[mystic fern]

It's still this. I still dont know if i want to craft my own gear or just save up. Cause it doesn't really matter I guess? Im gatekeep until lotus for year maybe. My max is still lotus if carried in multi.

[frail snow]

Kr?

[mystic fern]

If i build my own the expense along the way. I'll just buy per piece of abso

Gear my bad. Im typing fast tend to typo xD

But also. Do i want to do mpet also when pet roll released again

Cause im like 8 to 10hrs a day farming. But full ht on Thursday to sunday

Don't know yet. I'll just saved up for now. Then buy whatever cheap in decent condition of armor gears

[frail snow]

I see

[teal kettle]

Me or they patched the stay in v4 bug?

[frail snow]

prolly

[hoary dove]

cleared solo lotus, maximized my death count to wait for burst cd

Going to do narchon next

[hoary dove]

I used boss rush pot for narchon tho..

[frail snow]

[proud void]

Couldnt find anything about in the notes, but yes its patched

[gaunt trail]

Can someone show me their V matrix, and also what boost trio to use?

[crimson marsh]

Primary is bossing

Secondary is mobbing

Even though you use execution in mobbing but just follow this

[gaunt trail]

Does this mean i need to have 2 set of each primary and secondary? to max them

[crimson marsh]

Yes

Can mix and match

As long as its these 6

[gaunt trail]

Thanks

[crimson marsh]

Np

[frail snow]

Nahh ur secondary be kinda troll

[crimson marsh]

Only use the primary one no?

Secondary is for mobbing but since msm doesnt use them you can save it for 6th job hexa mastery

[graceful roost]

can someone tell me best way to set up v matrix and best skills to use.
im 210 shooting for 220 asap. tons of items to upgrade. not sure where to start

havent played in years. trying to catch up

maybe best way to set up hotkeys w new skills too

[ember cargo]

Just look at your server’s top DA profile and you can see their nodes now

[frail snow]

What if top DA lv 157

[ember cargo]

That means shouldn’t play on that server because no gear

[warped forge]

can anyone shoot across all DA V skills at L30? Thanks!

[limber arch]

only ones I have at lv 30

[warped forge]

thanks!!

[raw grove]

which hexa gaise

[winter silo]

Anyone still using nether shield persist on their hyper passive?

[formal kraken]

i wana start this character noe during this event any advise?

[last raft]

If you're just starting, focus on the new job Iel if possible

[formal kraken]

i created it hit lv 200 and not feeling it to play

[fathom ingot]

i would play it and let it carry you so u can make your real main. It will speed up your meso farming and getting equipment

[formal kraken]

oh okay

makes sense

[ornate peak]

So what’s the burst rotation here? Green preset, yellow preset, then?

Purple skill then spam blue preset?

[verbal canopy]

I think you'd spam green preset since that's where exceed is

Probably also use the web will skill while your buffs are up

[ornate peak]

Oh ok I’m guessing blue is burst? I don’t main a da so I’m trying to figure it out

[verbal canopy]

Blue skills I think is just for the healing from the bats? I don't use any of the skills in that blue preset for bossing (except the last one, but that's in other presets).

[ornate peak]

That’s kinda what I’m trying to figure out haha I sometimes boss on this character and die when I definitely shouldn’t be and I think it’s because I have to many of the hp eating kills on pets?

[verbal canopy]

Do you have demonic frenzy on?

It's a great DMG skill, but it caps the healing you can receive from potions, so even if it's a v9 itll only heal as much as a v4 or something

Revenant also has a backlash unless you use forbidden contract first I think

[ornate peak]

Probably haha I’ll try shifting things around and see how it does. Ty

[ornate peak]

Overload release? Pet buff or need to be controlled? Or can be ignored?

[verbal canopy]

I put it on pet, but I think most others don't to optimize

[winter silo]

I suggest wait will extra preset slot patch is up. Gonna be much easier

[mint scaffold]

I added 1 to n shield alr💀 luckily is new da not old one, hope this hyper is correct

[winter silo]

I add n shield persist

[verbal canopy]

Has anyone started investing in hexa boost nodes to see if it adds anything besides final DMG to any of them?

[ember cargo]

You can read the patch notes to find out

They list which ones add FD and which ones add duration/other stats etc.

I think it’s all FD for DA but the revenant one decreases the damage you take after skill end

[verbal canopy]

Gotcha, thanks!

[hushed yacht]

Is there a bossing/farming wheel? & What V nodes are recommended I also do a lot of auto play

[hushed yacht]

Just need some help I’m level 204 but only been playing like a week and a half

[verbal canopy]

Focus on primary trio from this. The secondary is farming skills, but I wouldn't invest in that until you've finished your v skills
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For a bossing wheel, it'll depend on what skills you have and if you have pets for auto buff. There's a bunch of different set ups in this channel, but generally I'd just recommend whatever you find comfortable

[hushed yacht]

This don’t make since though infernal exceed isn’t a skill you can equip & what are the bottom 2?

[verbal canopy]

Infernal exceed is a passive, it activates and adds lines to your exceed execution attack.

The bottom 3 are skills that can make killing mobs on sf maps faster, but using them in bossing is slower and in the long run limits your DMG output

[hushed yacht]

You have skill setup/presets? for bosses and mobs

[hushed yacht]

Nvm I see thank you

[dense zodiac]

someone can gimme hyper passive for DA ?

[crimson marsh]

12368

[dense zodiac]

thanks !

[teal kettle]

How are people dealing with v1 in higher bosses where PE is also limited to 3% healing. I know someone mains have 400k+ hp. But I’m working with 260-270k so it’s not the same. I just started trying will and I had to turn off v1 during the fight so I can better survive and not cost the team.

[verbal canopy]

It removes the healing cap after you fall below a certain %

[ember cargo]

Yea but you heal back to 50% and the cap is back

So essentially playing with 53% hp

[teal kettle]

That’s what I have noticed. It’s risky to set pe at 30% hp trigger. But even then it only gets us to 50% hp. So I was dying left and right in will. Had to turn it off to survive. Just afraid this will be the norm for harder bosses for those that don’t have >400k hp

[mint scaffold]

Is there use to defender of the demon @ember cargo Incase Arvin left

[ember cargo]

Extra stats and damage ?

[cedar phoenix]

Hi guys, what is demon blood buff, i saw it in DFrenzy skill 🤔 also i feel like i keep dying after using revenant in Will too. Do y'all have any info about these

[verbal canopy]

Revenant deals DMG back to you after the skill ends. I think ppl have a few different ways to avoid it.

I find using forbidden contract just before revenant works. Or you could use impenetrable skin

[cedar phoenix]

Oh interesting, thank you for that note man

So do you use forbidden before use revenant or before that effect happens

[verbal canopy]

Before revenant

Seems to work for me

[fathom ingot]

what are the perfect trios for this class

[light spoke]

can I ask, what’s the best way to maximum burst output? I see some forums they said to use overload before using all burst

and in high bossing such as Will and above, frenzy should be off yes?

or will you guys keep toggling frenzy

[brittle ravine]

Currently my sequence is as follows.

1. The moment DS4 activates, use Origin Skill, then use Demonic Blast, then use Dimensional Sword, then Forbidden Contract followed by Revenant.

2. This is to maximise burst within DS4 duration which is 15s. Origin cast time around 5s, Demonic Blast duration 10s, Dimensional sword duration 8s.

3. Always use Forbidden Contract before Revenant as Skill HP% cost becomes 0 and u don’t build up dmg done against yourself and potentially leave you stuck where your HP is 1 and you can’t even cast any skills.

4. Cast impenetrable skin 1s before Revenant ends and it gives you 10s iframe and negates the 101% max HP dealt back to yourself due to Revenant. Assuming you took 100% max HP damage during Revenant. This essentially gives you total 30s to stand there and just deal damage without having to dodge any skills. Except in Verus Hilla where u still need to dodge red thread.

Btw, anybody experience this screen blackout and dark corners while using Origin skill after last Thur’s update?

[brittle ravine]

My demon frenzy is never off.

[winter silo]

How u heal in vhilla?

[brittle ravine]

DA somehow has a sort of advantage in vhilla. We are still able to lifesteal since our skills still use max hp to cast. Not quite sure how the mechanics work but somehow we can still heal

[light spoke]

But won’t your healing from PE be affected? What % you set to use PE?

[light spoke]

And yes, I also encounter this

[brittle ravine]

Honestly I never relied on PE since previously. The main HP gain mechanic for DA is through lifesteal so I focus on managing that. Since the last update where they allowed PE usage for when HP <50%, I’ve set PE at 30% during bossing. Which was honestly quite helpful compared to when we only had fixed 1.5% HP previously.

[raw grove]

wow ur playing style u pressing alot buttons.
i put demonic blast and cats and forbidden contract on pet

[brittle ravine]

Demonic blast had a buff previously. I think on activation now it deals 64 lines per second. So it’s quite significant over 10s hence i try to time it within the ds4 duration

[brittle ravine]

How do you auto cast forbidden contract though 🤔 don’t you get stuck when you use Revenant?

[raw grove]

my forbidden contract is forever on pet, i tried manual casting and it didnt work for me. i never had any instance i reach "u do not have suffient hp to cast"

as for cat and blast i tried min maxxing as well, but most time i forgot to even cast it cause i got other CD timer to track like Dimension sword and revenant.

and manual casting those 2 both for me makes me lose out in 1-2 seconds of exceed execution

hahahah to me as long as i dont die in boss im satisfied

oh i also split Origin as burst 1 set
DI + reverant as burst 2

cause of boss sequence, eg will and gloom, forcing all 4 burst in one with my other party already proceed to next sequence (will 0 or gloom eyes closed for example )

[light spoke]

but if you use revanent and iframe for the drawback effect, you wont have any iframe to work with for another 2mins. wouldnt that be a disadvantage?

[raw grove]

i dont even use iframe after revanent

if u use revenant, u prolly can deal enough dps for the healing

i can imagine u dont deal enough dps if

1. u cant hit boss due to phase change like will 1st phase 0 dmg done count down
2. gloom's vaccuum

[brittle ravine]

Hmm.. do you dodge all boss skills even while Revenant is active? Cause it sounds to me like your Revenant bar does not charge to 100% every time you cast Revenant.

[raw grove]

My bar is 100%

My right the higher the 100% the higher dmg we lashes out

[brittle ravine]

Interestingg.. i can’t imagine your play style honestly. Do you record your bossing sessions? Would love to observe

[raw grove]

Hahha ill try if theres a chance. Would like to see everyone’s too

[brittle ravine]

Revenant 100% will deal back 101% max hp damage back to you after the duration ends. 100% does not increase damage you deal though

Revenant damage 52 line count IIRC can be triggered every 0.5s. But you need to be hitting a target to trigger it. So essentially casting execution consecutively can trigger almost 40 times which equals to a total of around 2k line count

I’ll try to record my next Will / Nvh run and will share here once available 😀

[raw grove]

Please do for will and harchon too😳

[brittle ravine]

Alrighty, same to you 😀 but harch dies in like 1 burst nowadays so… yeah

[raw grove]

Yea. I no team for hvilla yet

Will also pretty fast these days

[brittle ravine]

Will, as long as no one messes up the tests it’s super quick

[brittle ravine]

I’ve been doing solo Nvh until recently when my guild organized team ones. How’s your stats like?

[raw grove]

I wanna learn how others play 😅

With hexa stats now mdc 200m plus but i cant cap

Theres alot things undone

[brittle ravine]

Happy to exchange knowledge 😁

My hexa stats got unlucky 🥲 i got 6 6 8. My mdc is only at 167m now

[raw grove]

My weapons 42 🤪. Didnt know the importance prior to this hexa thing

Now need focus on upgrading and absoing

[brittle ravine]

Same haha my weapon also 42 😂 i have full abso now but most of my armours are 40-42 also

[verbal canopy]

when you say managing lifesteal, is that just attacking the boss and using overload?

[verbal canopy]

Im abso weap 50 - 160m mdc and also not capping on a lot of skills. I've started adding at least level 1 into the boost Hexa nodes for the base 11% FD on each

[light spoke]

actually @brittle ravine , do you use overload release for life steal? because I’m having some issues at Will with frenzy on.

Also, while waiting for xx:58 in phase 1, do you off frenzy so PE is effective?

[raw grove]

I used to toggle frenzy for harch and will but i tried last week not offing and didnt die…

[brittle ravine]

Using Overload manually is part of it. Managing lifesteal also includes knowing when to stop attacking, step away and let your Nether shields gain back some hp for you. I find constantly trying to attack is not a good way to regain HP especially if Overload stacks are full and ur lifesteal is at the weakest.

[verbal canopy]

Good to know! I tried your tip about the PEs at 30% earlier and noticed quite a bit of difference

[brittle ravine]

My Overload Release is on pet so every 30s it will auto trigger. However, there are times where i manually trigger it as well. I only manually trigger it prematurely when i took a hit from boss and my HP is low and my Overload stacks are full. Having full overload stacks gives you lowest % of lifesteal and does not gain nett HP if you just constantly attack.

And no i do not off frenzy while waiting for .58. I just manage HP hahah. Typically i just cast nether shield and then dodge all of Will’s skills.

[light spoke]

I see. This discussion was super insightful!!! Thanks everyone ❤️

[raw grove]

i had a major clown moment. i havent put my fair trade on pet since idk when

[brittle ravine]

Technically you don’t need to put it on pet once you on it once. As long as you don’t change the weapon.

[proud void]

Did anyone of you change presets and such after the update?

[brittle ravine]

I didn’t do much. Just moved one of my existing ‘buff’ preset to the now available ‘buff’ preset so that it instantly cast the 3 buffs

[raw grove]

wow this is a nice buff

-15% dmg reduction

[brittle ravine]

Ohh i actually didn’t notice that 😅 i thought only got 11% FD. Noicee

[raw grove]

If max is -65%

[brittle ravine]

This one maybe after 2 years. Need to max Origin first i suppose.

Btw, Origin 10 is super strong. The 20% IED is no joke on your highest dps skill

[proud void]

It will make a huge diff

[brittle ravine]

https://youtu.be/XpHlYxjuuws?si=WdIKCw-tGopl8-2h

Here’s my latest Verus Hilla run! @raw grove Sorry I forgot to activate screen capture for my Will run. Will do it next week. 🙏🏻

[verbal canopy]

Just need buckets of sol frags

[brittle ravine]

Went to test on training ground with 0 boss defence for 1 min.

1. Requiem
2. Revenant
3. Dimensional Swords
4. Demonic Frenzy

[verbal canopy]

I think requiem will always come out in top, but to gauge a full rotation wouldn't it be better to make it last as long as Requiem's cooldown?

[cedar phoenix]

Hi guys, what do you all level in your hyper passive ?

[proud void]

Personally opened 1 lvl on them all then to get decent stats, then origin first

Correct me if im wrong @.snowie

[raw grove]

my Will's

seems my my Weapon lvl not high enough

[brittle ravine]

Mine looks similar to yours but I’m capping on more skills. Could it be IED issue? How’s ur stats thou? This is mine unbuffed

[raw grove]

Im unbuff and my PA is 10k less than you. Idk where im missing PA 😂

Oh and this was after i pass my weapon to 46

hahaha

Oh! my shoulder havent abso, missing 3k PA from there

[brittle ravine]

I’m still having my weapon, SW and android doing double PA lines. But I think your PA isn’t the main issue. Your BA looks quite low compared to mine.

I’m at 280 while you’re at 195. That’s quite significant i’d say

[raw grove]

how to get more BA 😳

[brittle ravine]

Do you have M Set 3+3? That gives you 20% BA there. I have 4 BA emblems on my equips. My legion is at 12,515. Giving me 20% Applied effect BA and 15% member effect BA. My link skill gives 14% BA. Bossing accessories potential, my Ark Pendant gives 8.64% BA. Mag pendant giving 4% BA potential and 4% from lv 4 BA emblem. I’m not using BA jewel but using Phy Dmg instead but the SS set effect gives another 6% BA there. Abso set gives 20% BA and Commander loot/ Pitch boss set gives some BA. I think that’s about it.

[raw grove]

no 3+3, but my my cube pot all roll to PDI% linkand HP%

[proud void]

Snowie, did you switch from mdc soul on weap to fd?

[brittle ravine]

Nope I still remain it as Ark MDC. I’m still capping (relatively) so not planning to swap anytime soon. 😉

[proud void]

Im struggling to cap at 95mdc

Tho im lacking heavily patk and ba, so thats prob the issue

[brittle ravine]

If you want I could help to review your stuff and give some advice

@raw grove here’s my Will run this week https://youtu.be/l7nI_vXyVKw?si=byuvrCbUEi_dWto1

[proud void]

I would appreciate that a lot! Ill take the ss’s so can see what i’m working with

Hat should hit soon as stones are like 150m each now

Sold cape to get ba emblem instead as im lacking a lot of ba

Shoes first tho and gonna get ba shoes (ill have 3 ba emblems then)

Also rr mdc shoul from 2m to 21 pai%

Gonna try for the fd on weap

Also means im missing quite a bit of stats through cubes and flames since i have 3 pieces not really fixed (belt, cape and shoe)

[brittle ravine]

Yeah i think your main issue is not having equip set effects since it’s spread out over multiple ranks. If you could get the 4th abso on hat that’s 20% BA and 3% IED there. Also, not sure if you are using M label set as it is quite significant if you do 3+3 with 20% BA total.

My cape and shoe wash HP% though. So potential-wise not much effect. But you are missing out on a lot of IED.

[proud void]

Yeah makes sense

Ill try to go for another mset then, got 5 set rn

Also

Does our healing not work in vhilla?

[brittle ravine]

Rmb to get one which has glove!

[brittle ravine]

I don’t think lifesteal works.. but it seems like casting skills in VHilla does not consume HP% also. However, the healing from Demonic Blast seems to work. So essentially we get a heal every 3s

[raw grove]

Set effect is huge 😭. Now full set abso give me 3k more pa and 5% ied

[brittle ravine]

Congrats! 🥳

[ember cargo]

Did you buy package

Saw you exalt pass so many in a row

[raw grove]

I only pass one x.x

[ember cargo]

Huh

Was it not you

Or the other DA

[raw grove]

Ya shd be not me

[ember cargo]

[cedar phoenix]

Hi guys, im losing at potential on DA. Do we need more critdmg or phyatk or hp in our class?

[raw grove]

so many strong DA..

[verbal canopy]

Don't worry there's plenty of us weaker ones, we're just watching quietly from the sidelines

[raw grove]

Luck ran out hahahahah

[verbal canopy]

Looks like you have lots of Crit dmg as it is, so the HP is always helpful for survivability

You could probably get more Crit dmg on that von Leon ring (I think it can roll lines of 3% ish) and the Magnus necklace can get 2% something lines of BA?

2.9% Is max Phy dmg line on the Dom pendant, so that looks pretty good as is. Not sure what other accessories you have.

[cedar phoenix]

Thanks for your advice @verbal canopy . Most of my accessories are cd, patk, and ba. I'll start to consider some pot to hp. I just hit the 2 AU last week, so still trying to exalt slowly, since they gain pretty much hp. However, what's the best hp spot DA should be at? 🤔 im still new to this game and this is my first class, i really appreciate y'all helps.

[cedar phoenix]

Also does anyone level Neither shield-Reinforced

[verbal canopy]

I think most people are putting in 1 level, but focusing on the origin skill

[verbal canopy]

I'm not too familiar if there are HP requirement differences for chaos will or lucid, but you're in a pretty good spot at 380k. Hat and outfit give the most HP so if you're exalting those would make the most difference

[cedar phoenix]

Thanks bro

[cedar phoenix]

Sorry, i mean this hyper passive 🧐

[verbal canopy]

Ohhh, I'm not too sure if it's needed? You get an additional 120% FD added to it by your nodes (if maxed).

I think persist is better personally

[teal kettle]

Does other hexa boost nodes do anything besides 11% fd? I know revenant has some hp dmg reduction post effect. Just wondering if other three also has some extra bonuses.

[ember cargo]

All others FD only

Can check the patch notes

[raw grove]

i attempted and cleared vhilla normal solo

this is my battle analysis breakdown

[proud void]

Frenzy on juice

[brittle ravine]

Once you pump level 10 Origin it’s gona be top for sure

[brittle ravine]

I think your belt and cape potential could be rerolled for higher% stats

I got this table like long long time ago. Some stats like legend pot on accessories were not released yet but the rest is still good to refer to

[cedar phoenix]

Thank you @brittle ravine

[clever oak]

How do I increase my minimum damage? Seems damage is very unstable despite capping

[raw grove]

from my unds, increasing weapon's lvl will increase the lower range

[smoky sapphire]

Hi im totally new on msm decided to main da is there any updated skill preset to share?

[proud void]

For ab you only need dash, thousand swords, shield, bats is optional if you need hp

For bossing it depends

For trios u go for this

For bossing i use this

Preset 4 (P4) is just exceed and shield

But you should just try out a few and find one that you get comfortable with

[brittle ravine]

I think the min dmg is when there isn’t ds4 proc. Hence significantly lower dmg. But proportion wise it appears to be similar to mine for min dmg.

[smoky sapphire]

tyyyyy its really help me alots! Much appreciate muacks

[sturdy wren]

anyone clear clucid solo using da ?

[dense zodiac]

everyone died just you didn't , super tank no doubt.

[cedar phoenix]

hi fam, what do y'all lvling after origin 10 in hexa. now im like randomly lv up

[brittle ravine]

I focus to make Revenant to 10. Additional 10% less dmg return at the end of the duration.

[brittle ravine]

Can also up focus the nether shield i suppose. The dmg % is quite low now but it is target lock skill so any increase in FD is good for dps

[cedar phoenix]

Nice tysm for this info

[strange stream]

Recently noticed this is one or the best looking classes

Is DA high up there in DPS?

[brittle ravine]

I think DA is like slightly above average..? There’s definitely higher DPS characters up there assuming end game stats

[cedar phoenix]

hi guys, anyone have any tips in solo clucid, i feel like DFrezy is kinda prevent us from healing which is pretty annoying if we get into mini games :((

[strange stream]

I’m playing shade rn which I think is pretty low dps, so above average sounds good haha

[brittle ravine]

Hahah i see. Fair warning though.. DA requires you to be fairly mechanically skilled. The biggest one being Demonic Frenzy skill does not allow you to recover HP to 100% when you use PE so the playstyle is pretty different from other characters that can use PE normally.

[strange stream]

Thanks for warning, I’m NOT skilled, so guess I’ll have to skip

[brittle ravine]

That being said, it’s still quite a fun class to play imo. Hahah but i think as with all classes, to play the class to the maximum potential you’ll need to fully understand the mechanics so yeah

[proud void]

I think i saw someone say that da is one of the stronger classes in stationary bosses - or bosses with predictable movements, but we fall off dps wise because we have to toggle skils and pay a bit more attention to our skils compared to other classes, and we relay a lot on our burst window iirc

Im not sure if this was msm or gms

[cedar phoenix]

@brittle ravine hi Snowie, could you check my dm please

[brittle ravine]

Whoops 😅 alright

[brittle ravine]

Managed to clear Hard Verus Hilla 😌 https://youtu.be/x4KZ2G-9NXI

[proud void]

Huge, nice to actually see a DA as top dps for once

[cedar phoenix]

finally able to solo cclucid and hazazell

[sturdy wren]

how much mdc to clear clucid solo

big whale

[cedar phoenix]

I think around >240mdc

Mostly you need to be good at mechs

I saw some class solo at 220mdc too

[sturdy wren]

i lack of 24 mdc origin have to close early or stun the boss

[distant pewter]

.

[sturdy wren]

pass with 250 mdc

[hoary dove]

nice, what's your IED?

[sturdy wren]

47

[hoary dove]

I'm at 239m mdc and 43% IED. Not sure if this is already enough to clear

[sturdy wren]

maybe can try my dmg not capped that the problem my weapon abso 44 only

[hoary dove]

Already in practice mode I think my damage can, but still need more practice for mechanics. Me abso50 weap already

[hoary dove]

are you origin10 though?

[hoary dove]

am just origin 5

[sturdy wren]

yes origin 10

[tulip iron]

What's the best AB rotation?