Demon Avenger

[rough falcon]

And I assume
U don’t kill in one touch

[nova wren]

I think maybe 2 touches?

[rough falcon]

V2 on?
And use dash?

[nova wren]

Yes and yes

[rough falcon]

Weird, I would say u just need to be stronger for kill than instantly..

I don’t really know

[nova wren]

Ah well I guess I’ll just stick it in AF90 and call it a day since the exp difference isn’t that major

[rough falcon]

Think it’s better also, make some nodes

[nova wren]

I think with a few levels of V1 I’ll be one touching

How frequently does the damage proc on V1?

[whole pecan]

Every sec or so?

[nova wren]

DA is a god tier farmer

[somber raptor]

@nova wren I was thinking about the issue on sustaining V1 on DAs and I have an unorthodox thinking. Instead of using V1 to augment your main mobbing skill (e.g. execution + V1 to kill stuff), it should be replaced as the main mobbing skill (coupled with rush). which means to say, use V1 when you can 1hit mobs, therefore reducing the damage taken and sustaining yourself (with the lifesteal from nethershield). In this manner, you get to zoom zoom around and things just melt around you.

[ember cargo]

V1 caps your heal even from pots

You need v3 together for the healing if your gears aren’t as good

You can use PE but it’s still going to heal 3%

[signal lagoon]

Yea, pretty much leave it on auto buff. For bossing I still have the Overload Release on skill wheel for panic button heals, especially when zombified (wtvr that heal potion reduction effect is). I also like to prime Exceed Stacks to 20 (or 18 if you get the hyper) before starting bosses for the maximum Final Damage % boost.

[signal lagoon]

Would agree that the ideal DA mobbing setup is V1 + dash/rush. If you have trouble sustaining I'd make sure your dash and frenzy nodes are maxed first and prioritize points for those nodes. You get additional All Damage Reduction for every 5 levels in Frenzy.

[nova wren]

How much additional reduction do you get each 5 levels any idea

V1+ rush is the best setup for farming post 200

[whole pecan]

2%

[teal kettle]

I think that was the point I made about my ab wheel in eos. Just dash, v1/v2 plus shield.

Glad to see others are coming to the same conclusion

[signal lagoon]

Never got the chance to build a big enough sample for your EOS experiment, but for the 2 times I measured an hour of EOS dash/strike came out ~1000 ahead.

[devout mist]

1000 is A LOT

[golden yarrow]

Does anyone have a good bossing wheel?

[signal lagoon]

The empty middle button on the first page can be used for Overload/Frenzy/Blink.

Preset 2 and 3 are identical so that the main DPS skills are uninterrupted when switching pages.

Preset 1 is specifically for the 2 minute burst buffs (120 second CD). I’ll typically fire those off in succession before a burst window (e.g. Defense Smash 4 is triggered).

Preset 4 is for AB.

[rough falcon]

This is mine. The preset with v3 and v 4 is to maximize burst .
V2 is on my pet. Think I will change that to blink when I will have new slot open.

[golden yarrow]

Thank you guys!

[regal ice]

Hi guys , can I ask all Vskill at lv30 cooldown ?

[verbal canopy]

Cooldown reduction per 5 levels is in the skill description for the vskills that do that. You can also use slot points to calculate the stat increases

[regal ice]

i dont own DA yet , just wanna know more bout it

thx btw

[whole pecan]

DA ab: v1 and rope lift

[whole pecan]

@signal lagoon thank you for carrying me when I was a noob

[signal lagoon]

ofc! now ur turn

[somber raptor]

damn, this looks chill af!

[frail snow]

Sry, may i ask what does the v1 do on pet aito buff

[signal lagoon]

You don't put it on pet, just make sure to trigger it on/off.

[frail snow]

[rough falcon]

Which skill should I upgrade now? And should I use the cat skill? Good lines?

[cinder cloud]

Demonic blast ftw

[signal lagoon]

Yea demonic blast over cat, helps heal and good to put on pet for AB

[warm quest]

Hi DA mains, how is DA as a main char 🙂 Is DA F2P friendly?

[raw grove]

DA can be quite f2p cause little pot and high FD class.

But for late content, there is quite a lack of iframe, which can be challenging

[warm quest]

Thanks! Apart from Revenant what DA skills are iframes? I'm deciding between hero and DA what would you recommend?

[verbal canopy]

Both, gotta have alts

[raw grove]

Revenant not really an iframe

[warm quest]

Oh what are the iframes then?

[raw grove]

We dont really have other than inpegnatrable skin. Which is a 3 second skill.

Revenant is more like u dont take damage (still can get stunned) and later one shot absorb all the damage taken

You kinda dont wanna waste it on non clutch moment, as that is our “main” burst dps skill

[warm quest]

Ok got it thanks! Just one iframe. 🫠

[frail snow]

Lol it says can't drop hp below 1, but i find myself dieng somwtimes

[teal kettle]

V4 needs to be turned into a true iframe. It can still have the bleed dmg after it’s over. That would help a lot.

[wet ingot]

Does demon avenger it's usefull in endgame?

[urban gulch]

Should I level up this node or should I wait for a execution or shield primary?

Kind of new to this node thing

[frail snow]

Prolly wait for a infernal exceed, exceed execution, nether shield node

Base could be either

[urban gulch]

Thanks!

[verbal canopy]

Maybe

[wet ingot]

I m playing whit a friend using similar equipment and he destroys my DPS, he is using a hayato wondering what I m doing wrong

Both are 203 same or almost same equipment

[frail snow]

Lol heard DA bossing sukcs

Prolly why

[signal lagoon]

A lot of damage comes from your boost nodes, you want to get them to lvl 60 asap.

[signal lagoon]

If you're refferring to bossing, DA is not particularly sought for since they only fulfill the role of a DPS (having only 1 iframe).

Other classes will have a much easier time getting end game bosses since parties are looking for their particular skillset:

• Sia
• Bishop
• Paladin
• Any classes with long iFrames 10+ seconds (e.g. Dual Blade's Dark Sight)
• Phantom (steals most of the skills from the above ^ classes)

[wet ingot]

What is. Iframe?

[signal lagoon]

Invicibility Frame - lets you ignore all damage. Useful for blocking projectiles e.g. Damien Firestorm and Fireball skills.

DA only has Impenetrable Skin, which is only 3 seconds long.

[ember cargo]

Can DA block Damien with v4 ?

[frail snow]

lol technically, maybe. since hp cannot be reduced below 0 by attack

[signal lagoon]

Because of the Brand mechanic and V4 not being a true iFrame, you will still die from Firestorm/tornado.

[frail snow]

idk why they would word it that way then

[grim lynx]

hi everyone, new to DA here. DA seemed to be not a popular class thus resources are limited. I was looking for pinned msg on nodes and V skills but unable to find any. Found a few online but not sure its still valid. Any season or Pro DA can advise?

For hyper passive, is these the skill to learn?

For perfect trio, i found many different variant but i believe the main 4 skill we want more damage is what is shown on the left but the other 2 skill defers

For V-Skills, is it these 4 skills?

[verbal canopy]

Those work, you might decide to switch around to min/max down the road.

[verbal canopy]

Thousand swords is up for debate, some people use it, I don't personally because it's a long animation and takes away from time you could use for main attack.

[verbal canopy]

Yup

[grim lynx]

I see... based on %, i'm thinking is exceed - additional reinforce necessary? I'm thinking either nether shield - reinforce or exceed - reduce overload

[grim lynx]

I see. I found some instead of thousand sword, they go with bat swarm or exceed - demon strike

[verbal canopy]

You could do another shield buffing skill instead

[verbal canopy]

Just takes up room in your matrix

[grim lynx]

Yeah... time to spam nodes once i reach 200 on my DA 😂

[verbal canopy]

Boost nodes help, but a ton of your dmg comes from your v skills

It'll make up like 70% of your overall dmg

[wet ingot]

How work infernal exceed I don't understand ir

[verbal canopy]

Not a skill you press, it's a passive that has a % chance to activate when you attack

[wet ingot]

I know but don't get how to activate, I mean I can't see any animation

[frail snow]

by hitting enemy

[verbal canopy]

Just using exceed execution activates it

[wooden vapor]

Can anyone send a ss of what they use to AB? Pre 200

Hyper skills too pls

Feels off and couldn’t find much in this thread on it

Sucks that there isn’t a search function on threads for mobile

[verbal canopy]

Do you have any issues with survivability?

[verbal canopy]

If you're not capping its probably just easy to to exceed - reinforce, boss rush, crits.

And then two of the neither shield ones

[wooden vapor]

Nope just wondering what the ab wheel is for pre 200

[wooden vapor]

Just an alt, no main

Won’t be doing bossing

[verbal canopy]

Then all those and put the ba point in something else instead

[verbal canopy]

Basically the same after 200, most of the V Skills are not usable in auto battle or passive dmg

It's mostly nether shield, the dash exceed skill and thousand swords

[wooden vapor]

Thank you!

So exceed: demon strike is the dashing one

Once I hit 141 it’ll dump into hyper making all exceed skills stronger? Not very strong skill atm only level 135

Been using the 4th job one

[verbal canopy]

The exceed hypers boost any exceed skill

[wooden vapor]

Yeeee

Awesome

What about blood prison, bat swarm & nether slice?

Prison yeah right?

Then after 170 thousand swords

[verbal canopy]

They're just kinda slow so if you don't need it to survive, the more nether shields you can get out the better for farming

[wooden vapor]

Oh say less thank you

[vernal onyx]

Is that the top tri node to hunt

Just need two of those? Varying starting skill obvs.

[frail snow]

Hunt should be infernal exceed, thousand swords/ dash, nether shield

[vernal onyx]

Well for overall player dmg the exceed infernal and nether is what most go with? Basically for bossing?

My gf has a DA just now level 202 so just want the best tri nodes for dps building.

Simply what tri nodes are the best or what am I searching for is my question I guess.

[frail snow]

Uhh

[vernal onyx]

Lol

[frail snow]

I think u need a pair of the 3 skills

[vernal onyx]

Two pair of exceed infernal exceed execution and nether?

[frail snow]

Uhh ultimately, should build for damage

[frail snow]

Here is one example

Max level of a skill can be boosted by node is 60

So each slot can potentially be upgraded to 30, so 2 slots gives 60

[ember cargo]

You need 2 to stack them otherwise you can’t get them over 30

Have to have a different base though

[vernal onyx]

🤦

[ember cargo]

Anyways I’m not sure if infernal exceed should be a priority. I guess it’s best for top capping DPS, but for non-end game chars it’s quite sad lol

[frail snow]

u use bats? i feel like it's scaling is too little to care about

[ember cargo]

Just for bosses that have damage reflect

Also can use it before boss start

[frail snow]

ahh

[frail snow]

Mine's like this lol

[vernal onyx]

Seems like nobody knows what the perfect trio is somehow.

[frail snow]

more like there isn't

[teal kettle]

Maybe someone can answer this question. The nether slice has a -10% dmg reduction debuff for 15s and 15s cd. I have been presetting this attack with execution when bossing. The question is if you are capping, does this debuff even do anything? Or it just helps you to reach cap? In other words does this debuff do anything similar to IED? I’m debating if I should even have it in my bossing preset.

Since it’s slow animation and takes away from execution dmg.

I used to have bat swarm preset with attacks that ignore Dr. but now I am debating if I should just take v2 off pet and make it manual (demonic blast). That probably does way more dmg than bat swarm and also ignores Dr.

I have a preset with all attacks that ignore Dr. it currently has v3, shield, v2, and will skill node. If we get 5 slots to a preset I would put bat swarm back on I guess.

[verbal canopy]

I don't use slice, bats, or thousand swords for bossing for the slowness reason. Want to get more exceed attacks in to maximize revenant activations

If you're already capping slide won't help you cap more. Could help other party members cap though

[frail snow]

Feel like slice is worth it for more damage, assuming not capping no?

[wet ingot]

Bats are for sustain slice seems to be useless

[teal kettle]

Bats isn’t ds raven swarm. So why would it help sustain,

[teal kettle]

Farming, you wouldn’t use slice due to mobs die in 1-2 hits anyway. Bossing, if you are capping, no point in slice. If not capping, tbh if I’m doing solo boss content, if I can’t finish it under 40s, I just don’t do the content.

I rather buff harder so the solo bossing part of dailies can finish quicker. In those cases I would be capping therefore imho slice is now pointless.

[verbal canopy]

Im capping personally, but it depends person to person.

Generally though it's probably minimal difference. Choose whichever makes your life easier

[frail snow]

I take like 7 mins to do solo ark

[teal kettle]

I would have given up way sooner. lol. Sometimes I skip solo ark (weekend) and I finish it around 40s buffed.

But my dailies plate is heavy since I run 3 chars. Ie what I do on da I repeat on two other chars not to mention dailies on all the little alts.

[verbal canopy]

Start

Burst (revenant, dimension swords, etc) Ark will be too busy screen cracking to use his other skills.

Once revenant is about to run out - use blood prison to stun and keep attacking.

If still alive, save invincible skin to block a last screen crack

[frail snow]

I missed my ark run cuz i didn't pay attention to the invite

[teal kettle]

So I care a lot on how quick I can do something.

[frail snow]

Ybh i just run for my life, stay as far away from ark as possible when not in v4

[verbal canopy]

Just die and let the cooldowns reset.

[frail snow]

Cant cuz i die to ball or snake once in a while

[teal kettle]

That’s interesting solo ark approach. I used to save v4 until first screen crack. But what you suggested is probably a quicker way

[frail snow]

Fokin imprison me then straight away snake bite me

[verbal canopy]

If you burst and it's doing screen crack, he won't use snake or ball

[verbal canopy]

My solo ark runs are around 30s

[frail snow]

I use v4 along with the ds3 at the start

Then my v4 is enough to cover my first screen crac

[frail snow]

Buffer or unbuffed lol

[verbal canopy]

It's all about the v matrix

[teal kettle]

Thank god you haven’t been trying in mu lung then, you can probably beat me out for the 3rd place medal. I’m starting to open nodes for da now. So I still got some room to improve.

[frail snow]

Working on it

[verbal canopy]

Oh, definitely buffed lol

[frail snow]

i feel like every node i open is rigged

Always not the 3 i need

After i 25 a base, it appears more

[verbal canopy]

I just get to floor 40, haven't gotten past floor 44

[frail snow]

Thousand swords are like rare af

[frail snow]

U can't beat cygnus

Even if u beat ark in 30

[verbal canopy]

Nope

[verbal canopy]

Idk the mechanics

[teal kettle]

Don’t. Hehe I don’t want to restart pvp on da. I hate that weekly.

[frail snow]

Cemp but small area

Crazy

[verbal canopy]

The vskills put in more of the work

I've been more focused on trying to clear solo Damien

[teal kettle]

Da your main now? Erel looks good.

[frail snow]

No

Erel gets inherit and no more

[teal kettle]

It’s sad to admit but I think you have stronger v matrix than I do.

[frail snow]

Aint no way

I mean sure DA not even ur main lol

[teal kettle]

My v skills none are 12+

[frail snow]

Idk if i should try approach necro 50 or what

Cuz im lost idk what to do for armors except just keep trying necro

[verbal canopy]

If you have a necro weap, just try until it bricks, even if you get to mid-40s, still helps

[frail snow]

HAHAHAHA

But the 70% stone gonna be soooooooo expensive

I wanna buy the 30 mythic flames

Try better flames

[teal kettle]

Da main message was directed at Vaal. Damn you are done with the matrix. And I just more or less started.

[verbal canopy]

For 40 > 50? Think it's just 40% stones

[frail snow]

New package

Aft update

Im seeing the proce first

[teal kettle]

I will open nodes until my 4 v skills are maxed. At that point whatever lvl the common skills are at is where they will stay.

But first need my boost nodes maxed as well. I have two sets. One for bossing and one for farming. Farming trio is demon strike, thousand swords and bat (not sure why. Probably better trio would be infernal exceed)

Bossing trio is infernal shield and execution.

@verbal canopy what is that summon common skill good for? I see you got it to 22

[frail snow]

Mine's at raw lv 21 now

[frail snow]

Is mine fine?

The 3 trio

Prolly should have used exceed dash/ infernal ex/ thousand swords in one trio for farming

[verbal canopy]

Just extra passive lines, and I had a spot for it - so why not.

Only thing I'd like to add is decent hyper body

[teal kettle]

Boss trio shield execution inferno exceed. Farm infernal thousand sword demon strike. Just my opinion.

[teal kettle]

Here is my v matrix. Hehe just truth. Still got a lot of nodes to open to get my v skills up

[verbal canopy]

Is that skill in the bottom left the will skill node?

[teal kettle]

The one that looks like an eye yea is will node

[verbal canopy]

What does it do? 😂

[teal kettle]

An aoe plus some single target duration dmg. Lvling up reduces cd

Supposedly helps with farming. So I keep it on. Also helps with some additional bossing dmg

[verbal canopy]

Interesting, do you need to clear will to be able to use it?

[teal kettle]

Nah. Just buy from ts. You just need to be 235

[verbal canopy]

Ah gotcha, I remembered some kind of restriction but couldn't remember what

[raw grove]

Da got high fd. Up weapon unless u got nothing much to up left

[grim lynx]

hi fellow DA... can i get a screenshot of your DA's hyper stats for reference? not sure if hyper stats is similar across all classes

[verbal canopy]

Same for pretty much all

[grim lynx]

Cool. Thank you 💪

[whole star]

what hyper skill passive do i get for DA? not hyper stats

[verbal canopy]

Just put 3 in the exceed boosting skills and 2 in the neither shield ones. Prioritize any that increases hit counts or FD

[frail snow]

If i open up the last slot, idm what to equip there, any suggestions? I swap my Rope Lift with boost node during bossing

[teal kettle]

I would use decent sharp eye.

Or weapon aura

[frail snow]

I was contemplating btween this 2 but idk if weapon auro is worth the 600m mesos to open, and as for DSE party prolly has that buff already

Maybe solo content could be much more beneficial

[teal kettle]

Then just wait and lvl up more. It gets cheaper with every lvl

[astral tulip]

Hi all, I recently hit level 200. Is there any node stone skill guide for DA? Or which trio etc I need to use?

[astral tulip]

And one more thing.. I just hit my first necro on my weapon.. anyone know how much it’s worth?

[frail snow]

Planning to sell?

[frail snow]

Trios

[astral tulip]

Thanks! But are the skills settings etc in Korean the same for USA?

[astral tulip]

Yes I might sell it. I’m not sure if I wanna main DA

[frail snow]

Well prolly max mesos or more than

My server had this, was selling for 80b, no one bought, eventually sold for 10b only

[teal kettle]

Which server. Damn I would have picked it up.

[teal kettle]

Personally I think the training trio is shield demon strike and thousand swords.

[frail snow]

A2z

Yep my guildmatr picked it up

[astral tulip]

Yea that’s what I thought too.. but the Koreans are much further ahead than USA. Will it still be the same? I still don’t know which Trio to use

[astral tulip]

Wow bummer lol, so it’s worth less than 10bil in our server? 😦

[frail snow]

Not rly, it was just not selling, seller reduced till max mesos

This way richie not needed

[verbal canopy]

DA isn't a super on-demand class

I'd wait till you get more of its v skills though, the class gets infinitely better post 200 with v skills

[grim lynx]

totally agree. when my DA hit 200, it was a game changer... it may not top boss dmg but do sufficient dmg... farming wise was omg, it's the best IMO

[astral tulip]

Guess I will just keep play DA. Also currently working on a NL love it aswell

[proud void]

Pick what you want, DA is easy to get a lot of hp on, and has incredible sustain while farming. It can start to solo most bosses at an early stage because of the high and steady output of burst. But it falls off quickly in bossing because of the burst isnt a burst skill that pumps out incredibly many lines in a matter of seconds. From what i’ve read DA will get super strong post origin update

And about the necro, it really just depends on how fast you want to sell, and if there are a market for DA on your server. I play on Eu scania, and the market is dead. If i were to sell that one i could probably expect somewhere around 10b, max 15b, if a whale would’ve come around. I saw something similar posted for 200€ ~ roughly 14b mesos. Did not sell😬

[astral tulip]

Is the update from DA still to come? (Post origin update). I guess I just play it slowly and just try to level it up since DA is a dead class lol. I play in USA but I’m actually from Europe lol. Thanks for your input. I’m still kinda new to MS and still need to learn lots of things.

[grim lynx]

How to open up these slots?

[ember cargo]

Level up

[grim lynx]

ah... dang it... thanks

[verbal canopy]

Level up and pay*

Or drop thousand swords from your trio - and get an extra slot now

[teal kettle]

Anyone done testing on what triggers v4 attacks? So far nether shield, v1/v2/v3 doesn’t. Seems like any duration attacks don’t. I wonder if bat swarm does. Or only exceed skills trigger v4 dmg?

Also anyone tested demon defender trigger v4? Just trying to get a comprehensive list of attacks that do so we know how to optimize v4 dmg.

[verbal canopy]

I think only exceed skills do based on the description

So probably best to use v4 last when you burst

To make sure you get as many lines as possible

[frail snow]

Huh netger shield triggers the v4 spikey attack? I thought only dash and EE. Maybe cuz i only use this 2 on my wheel lol

[verbal canopy]

Shields do not.

[mystic oasis]

Howdy guys im sure this has been discussed already but can’t seem to find it up the thread. I remember seeing some discussions on V4 and forbidden contract interactions and timings.

I have been activating forbidden contract with about 1-2 second expiry before revenant, which sometimes nullifies the Hp scaled special damage tick that happens afterwards. Is that true or?

[frail snow]

since when does frobidden contract nullify the v4 after effect?

also diff qn, am i right that you would want your fury level to be at 0%?

[mystic oasis]

Actually i think i understood it incorrectly, it might just make it easier to recover HP when im taking the tick dmg

[mystic oasis]

Yeah you’re right at 0% you would take the minimum damage which is just the 1% added on top of any fury which would be 0

[frail snow]

Idk tho since u said u want fury to be at 0% using forbidden contract before revenant should be best

[mystic oasis]

I’m now leaning towards forbidden contract being situational since if fury is at 0, you take the least amount of dmg post-buff so you wouldn’t benefit that much compared to lets say 100 fury

Btw not sure if 100 fury = 100% of your hp but if i was taking the whole 100 fury + 1% i’d definitely want to pop forbidden or the iframe

[frail snow]

Wdym benefit

[frail snow]

There's no need for i frame tho. Forbidden doesn't affect the ho drain

After the v4 drain ends, v1 off, heal, v1 on

[mystic oasis]

Like basically if you took no damage during revenant vs taking maximum amount

[mystic oasis]

Yeah but it affects the other skills that cost hp so while you’re taking the post buff dmg, you’re not taking further dmg from paying for skills

At this stage i don’t even bother turning v1 off, its just permanently on

[frail snow]

My rotation is always forbidden with v4. Given i take damage until i have insufficient hp to cast skills, forbidden covers it. During v4 active period, you would want to proc as much thorn of fury as possible

[frail snow]

As for turning my v1 off, it's just to remove the heal block of 3%, so a quick v1 off, overload release, v1 on allows me to heal 100% of my hp as compared to just pressing overload release, which heals only 20% of max hp

Idk tho, could've many different playstyles for DA

[teal kettle]

I generally pop forbidden contract about half way into v4 to avoid no hp for skill and easier time to sustain during the 5s tick dmg after v4 is finished. About our v4. Does it protect against DR? Thanks.

@verbal canopy do you know Korboy in our server? He’s nipping at my heel the last two weeks in mu lung. I maybe losing my medal soon. Forcing me to figure out how to pass 44

[verbal canopy]

It does protect against DR - since the DR technically just dmgs you - but you're kept at 1 hp

[verbal canopy]

I have not yet successfully passed 44 lol cant get past 43 without using one of my burst skills, and then the others aren't enough to clear 44

[verbal canopy]

I think if you use forbidden just before activating the V4 - it cancels out the dmg when V4 ends. Idk, thats what I do and I haven't had a problem with it yet

[teal kettle]

Your way is probably better. So there is no interruption during v4 uptime hence maximal v4 output.

[verbal canopy]

If you're trying to optimize I guess, but honestly most of the time while bossing I find that I'll go to do the burst and then the boss does something to interrupt me anyway. Hard for anything to ever be truly optimal 😂

[teal kettle]

I will reorder forbidden contract and v4 in my preset. Just get into the habit of pressing it twice while our v3 is going.

[verbal canopy]

v3 - thats the dimension sword right? Or is that the cat?

[teal kettle]

Dimensional swords. Cat you mean demon defender? I haven’t figured out its true use case is yet. Right now it’s on pet for some small dmg

[verbal canopy]

Thats how I do it, honestly I leave a lot of things on pets lol I think the only thinks I manually activate are Forbidden, V4, and Dimension swords

I also just use dimension swords as its burst version

[teal kettle]

Same. Simplicity wins. I make mistakes on my own already. Mo need to add more to the plate.

[verbal canopy]

leaves more brain power to pay attention to what the boss is doing lol

not that it stops me from regularly jumping in culvert fire accidentally

[verbal canopy]

How did you pass floor 44 btw? Were you able to clear the flower without using V4?

[teal kettle]

I think you can pass 44 without full use of v4 with some rng luck. But yea for consistent passing you need to save v4 for 44. I did 43 without v4 or v3. Full buff of course (had leftover lotus buff from yesterday).

[verbal canopy]

You just jump through when it does the big smash down on the side you're on?

[teal kettle]

Trade secret. lol until I cant get the medal anymore.

[unkempt barn]

Anyone can share skip description n stat of all v skill?

[verbal canopy]

Revenant

Dimension sword

Demonic blast

Those are the important ones

[mystic oasis]

Tbh thats fair enough i’m not currently in hard enough content where I need that but that’s a hot tip for sure when i do progress

[mystic oasis]

Hmm forbidden should allow you to avoid that 25% HP cost for v4 if you do that, which is nice and runs the whole duration of the revenant buff and dmg tick debuff. Might try that actually

[mystic oasis]

You could just make a C preset right? So it would activate Forbidden then straight into v4 and since both have essentially the same duration

[teal kettle]

That’s what I mean by reordering the preset. Right now forbidden is after v4. I will reverse the order

[unkempt barn]

Ty

Just curious to read since it’s so complicated to understand

[unkempt barn]

U mind sharing demonic frenzy too?

So if I understand correctly, while revenant is active, is DA essentially in iframe? Nothing can kill them right?

[teal kettle]

It’s not a true iframe. There are stuff that will still kill you.

[unkempt barn]

Can u give me some example?

[teal kettle]

I just know this to be true but can’t cite examples as I mostly play da as a dailies runner and farmer.

[verbal canopy]

You can't die, but you can still get stunned, knocked back, etc.

[verbal canopy]

Frenzy

[unkempt barn]

Gotcha but still basically can’t die

As in it’ll be a 20s of invincibility.

[verbal canopy]

Yes, but getting stunned can really ruin it 😂

[unkempt barn]

In gms, demon blast is a short cooldown skill of 12s. Much longer here huh

I’m curious to see some demon avenger bossing

I’ll def hyper burn him next event

[verbal canopy]

It's a decent class, probably middle of the road as far as warriors go

[unkempt barn]

So if I understand correctly, dimensional sword short version is a 8s burst w roughly 450 line. The full version is 40s and I think it is roughly 700 line

[verbal canopy]

I've tested it and I think the line count is closer than that. I don't see a large DPS increase using the full version

[frail snow]

the damien's tornado skill

the damien's brand will also kill iirc

[unkempt barn]

Well both of those are due to Damien branding. Iframe can’t overcome that. Like hard archon full map attack, can’t be iframe

[frail snow]

Yea but skill states. Hp cannot go below 1

[unkempt barn]

Seems pretty nice that during revenant u won’t die then

[frail snow]

Thus it's like false statement lol

[unkempt barn]

Well, boss mechanic trumps character mechanic

So if a boss mechanic said iframe won’t stop it, then iframe won’t

[frail snow]

Nexon should've worded it in more detailed

[unkempt barn]

We all know Nexon aint doing that

[frail snow]

[unkempt barn]

But I’m certain hard archon and damien branding are the only 2 mechanic that u can’t iframe. I have heard some people can overcome the Damien branding but it’s not reproducible so maybe it was heaven door , or something else

[frail snow]

Hmm maybe heaven's door yea

Cuz it just revives u instead of preventing u from dieng

[unkempt barn]

Wow so 20s during revenant

That’s actually so good

U guys have a video of u bossing?

I’m curious what ur hp bar looks like

Coz so many skill that heal n take hp away

[frail snow]

Idk, all the pics/vids i have are all drops lol don't judge

Nvm i'll just take one

Without forbidden contract @unkempt barn

[verbal canopy]

It's not bad, skills have a life leech affect so even while attacking you're also healing. I think the only issue you could have is if you were somehow attacking continiously and not hitting anything 😂

[verbal canopy]

I think paladin has a better version of the skill, theirs is a true iframe I think.

[unkempt barn]

Yea pally iframe is god tier

Def a complicated class to understand

[verbal canopy]

DA? Nah, if you want complicated play blaster 😂

[unkempt barn]

I do play blaster

Seems easier to understand

[verbal canopy]

I think with DA you can try to set up/time skills, but ultimately I don't see it making a massive difference in the bossing DPS. You could put most things on your pets.

And if it's just going to be an alt for you anyway - it's a good choice because you don't need to pay for MP pots lol

[unkempt barn]

I see some of the DA video they don’t even use PE

[verbal canopy]

Definitely

Probably depends on the content, currently I havent done anything above ndamien

[unkempt barn]

Do u have to use PE in Damien?

[verbal canopy]

I do right now, but mostly because I'm new to it and don't want to accidentally drag down the run 😂 once I get better at spotting the mechanics it'd probably be okay. I don't use them for lotus or anything else.

[unkempt barn]

Oh nice

[signal lagoon]

Dash through when flower slams, you have to be tanky enough for touch damage

[signal lagoon]

Iframe lets you block tornado and popcorn without adding brand stacks, which is why revenant is much less useful than sancro/dark sight

[signal lagoon]

Can understand why as we can heal fast if exceed is low. In end game bossing its juggling your health/lifesteal by controlling exceed count with forbidden contract

[unkempt barn]

Yes I agree. But only Damien mechanic nullify that. Everything else it’s an iframe. Pretty rare to find a 20s iframe like that in any class

Granted it’s linked to our burst so we can’t use it freely like sancro n ds

I still don’t quite understand exceed. It should always be at 18 stack for max damage right, but then we take penalty from life sap

[signal lagoon]

Its a lot less useful than you may imagine, since every skill cost HP, with the decreased lifesteal during high exceed count, there are times where you can’t attack because HP is 1 while in revanant

[unkempt barn]

Seems like an easy fix by activating forbidden contract w v4?

It ensures even after revenant end and during the hp penalty, you don’t need hp to cast skill

[signal lagoon]

Yep, it definitely helps but it is still a 10 second cooldown and your exceed count has to be at least 3 to activate

After revenant ends, best way to nullify is Impenetrable Skin, then forbidden contract

Iframe nullifies the takeback damage for 3 seconds

and then forbidden contract should top you off

[unkempt barn]

Yea

I mean that does takeaway the iframe that could be use for more dire situation

So it’s same problem as like wild hunter, pf, Erel

[signal lagoon]

Definitely

[unkempt barn]

Where their iframe is bound to their main burst skill

It ensures they get their burst off. But it’s not a truly useful iframe like sancro and ds where u can dps while in iframe AND can be used any time instead of only when bursting

Still tho, 20s pseudo iframe is niceeeee

[signal lagoon]

Yea, in lotus it's really nice to walk through lasers

[unkempt barn]

How does healing work w exceed

[signal lagoon]

More healing the lower the exceed count

[unkempt barn]

Exceed is naturally always at max stack coz we use our main attack constantly, right?

[signal lagoon]

Less healing the higher the exceed count

Usually very fast to be at max stack

If you mix exceed skills, it counts as +2 instead of +1

so dash + slash would put you at 3

[unkempt barn]

My understanding was the hyper passive to cap exceed at 18 stack is so that we can heal. Otherwise if exceed is at 20 stack, we heal for 0 from life sap

[signal lagoon]

Yea

but you're also wanting to reset for Forbidden Contract for the extra Final Damage

I think 15%

[unkempt barn]

And to reset exceed stack, we use overheal right?

[signal lagoon]

Yea

and you get bonus FD depending on exceed count (15% max)

for 30 s

[unkempt barn]

Kinda clunky if I may say. Coz overheal fully heal us, and reset exceed so we heal the most during this time, but we just got full health from overheal

[unkempt barn]

Isn’t it 45 w hyper? Or we use overheal often enof u guys don’t put points in it

[signal lagoon]

Sorry, this entire time I was referring Forbidden Contract as Overload Release

[unkempt barn]

Hah I know what u mean

Can anyone share their battle analysis on a boss such as Damien and above? I wonder with all these fd buff, are most skill easy to cap as DA?

[unkempt barn]

Just realized you’re the goat DA from crystal

Wow demonic blast is only 3.16% of total damage? That’s weak

Wait

This must be Magnus or below

Based on your average tho, doesnt look too bad to cap

Nether shield probably the hardest to cap id guess?

[frail snow]

How do you use PE?

[frail snow]

@unkempt barn i think that's cuz nether and EE has pretty similar damage%s, he put more hyper stats into EE than Nether

[verbal canopy]

Excessively

[verbal canopy]

That's nuts... Dimension sword is your highest dmg skill?

[unkempt barn]

It’s a 20s run. Not representative of a real bossing scenario

[verbal canopy]

Fair point lol

[frail snow]

With v1 on?

[verbal canopy]

Yeah, I always have v1 on

[unkempt barn]

Does frenzy damage you every second?

[verbal canopy]

No, limits healing tho

[unkempt barn]

Gotcha. Idk why I thought that coz I saw a DA keeps taking 6k damage per second. Maybe it was the end of frenzy

[verbal canopy]

Might be fair trade

[frail snow]

Doesn't that just make the PE heal 3% of your hp instead?

[frail snow]

It was end of revenant at 100% thorn of fury

[verbal canopy]

Proby

[verbal canopy]

Tried to give a longer response but the server blocked the message so nvm lol

[signal lagoon]

EE and Nether Shield are both 60

Here is HDamien, mb posted magnus earlier

[signal lagoon]

Dimension sword typically highest but for longer bosses demonic frenzy can be on top

[unkempt barn]

Wow u guys struggling to cap still

Look at revenant average damage versus ur other skill

[unkempt barn]

Do u ever use the longer version of dimensional sword? What’s the line count difference?

You must be around 92m mdc?

Damien is still hard to cap due to no af bonus. Lucid and gloom will show if u can cap or not since all bosses have af bonus now so Damien is irrelevant

[signal lagoon]

Hmm, this is Lucid which shows lower avg damage.

[signal lagoon]

I always use the shorter version, certain bosses have a limited DPS window and am triggering D. Sword and Revenant within the Defense Smash 4 window.

[signal lagoon]

80m atm

[unkempt barn]

Did u have a shade in this run?

Or u must have like 35% DIR or something g

[signal lagoon]

Yea my DR at the time is ~35%

No shade

[unkempt barn]

That’s interesting. Usually u get better average in lucid than Damien

[signal lagoon]

There must be some boss mechanic in P2 that may be lowering it significantly

[unkempt barn]

Well every time someone dies

It triggers her shield that reduce a lot of damage

If ur team dies a lot, even just one person, that’ll do it

[signal lagoon]

Ah yea that will do it, the last Lucid run was very messy

[unkempt barn]

How about gloom or archon? Those bosses don’t have mechanic that reduce damage dealt so your average Shiuld be accurate thwre

[signal lagoon]

I haven’t run gloom yet, here is h archon

Averages could be higher considering Shield may be up in P3

[unkempt barn]

lol I forgot archon has his shield

It def will lower ur demonic frenzy

[whole star]

is this still up to date as of current patch?

[teal kettle]

What is the use case for demon defender? Just small passive dmg? Ie does it need to be manual? Also level priority between v2 and weapon aura, what is the consensus? Thanks.

[mystic oasis]

extra lines, extra phy dmg tankiness and DR immune? Manual if bossing, AB probably no need to have

If it had to be them two, doesn’t weapon aura levels give extra FD?

[verbal canopy]

It does

[verbal canopy]

Weapon aura, even the invincible skin skill levels give a bit of extra attack and HP%

[limpid orchid]

What is the emblem set up that everyone runs on DA?

[verbal canopy]

Full mag atk %

[ember cargo]

Not boss def ? Nether shield will block more damage 🧠

[mystic oasis]

I’m not ready to relive the reroll of my emblem from PA to boss def 😭

[crimson marsh]

can someone send Demonic Frenzy (v1) skill description?

[sly depot]

Does anyone have suggestion on AB skill preset after unlock V matrix?

[mystic oasis]

Dash frenzy and nether shield really the only thing needed on wheel. I have thousand swords just because i don’t mind it abing

[frail snow]

V1 on, dash skill, thousand swords, nether shield, rope lift done

[crimson marsh]

Thank you

[unreal trench]

Why boss def tho? I thought it would be the usual BA or CD?

[mystic oasis]

Why because i got nexoned thats why. passed a 15% emblem scroll and got PA%. Decided to reroll with event 100% scroll and got boss def such is life

[verbal canopy]

#1059998509627101184 message

[proud void]

Has anyone read the changes from the patch? It looks like in my eyes that all they did was reduce the hp stats? They doubled the lines but also doubled the seconds of activation, so that means all they did was change the hp stats? correct me if i’m wrong

[frail snow]

Notes are out?

Where u reading tht im curious

[proud void]

https://forum.nexon.com/maplestorym/board_view?board=1215&thread=2746151

These are the korean notes i think

But you can translate them

[frail snow]

Ouh that's a diff game lol

Maplestory M Korea

Diff from Global

[proud void]

Yeah but dont you think the changes will be somewhat similar?

This is the translation from google

I think episode just means hit count

[frail snow]

Idk lol

But it's so sad it's one skill adjustments, and they call it character rebalance

It's not even necessary

[proud void]

I agree, but i can understand that it seems like DA is a bit too «healthy» if we can put it that way

[frail snow]

LMAO

It's a nerf

[proud void]

Yes

[frail snow]

Makes it better lol

[proud void]

Hence why i said this

😂

[frail snow]

Yea

I don't think that will be implemented into MSM Global

Diff game needs diff rebalances

[mystic oasis]

I mean higher merit for survival compared to other classes doesn’t seem to add up if we have 1 iframe but idk as well KMSM apparently very different

[frail snow]

Idk if DA really has a higher survivability than other characters lol

I feel being able to utilize PE is very useful, but on the other hand not having to use it feels nice too

[frail snow]

Everytime im at 100% thorn of fury when skill ends, DA's so vulnerable lol

[mystic oasis]

I mean if we had another iframe like e.g. making the dead skill inhale vitality an iframe while using the skill then i’d understand a nerf to hp recovery.

But then again everything also revolves around whether it is subject to frenzy reduced healing or not

[proud void]

@frail snow

It sure doesnt look like much else than 5% fd😂

Also demonic blast almost identical, only 1% more than kmsm

[proud void]

We have the lifesteal to be able to survive certain abilities that normally would oneshot us

[frail snow]

OH HELL NAW

At least there's other adjustments

[proud void]

At the very least they added fd to exceed

[frail snow]

THE EFF A HP COST DECREASE GONNA DO

WHAT THE HEL

[proud void]

https://tenor.com/view/nexon-quality-nexon-quality-approves-okay-gif-16986913

[frail snow]

???

What do they mean before has no valie

Value

[frail snow]

Bruh

So theyjust changing 10% FD to 5%

And removing 10% Final damage and 10% crit damage from nether shield to give 5% FD overall

When one of the main skills is Nether shield

[limpid orchid]

So this was a nerf to the class?

I can’t tell with these lines increased and hp going down

[frail snow]

I think overall a little nerf

[mystic oasis]

I think instead of 10% fd 10% cd to nether shield, defense expertise now applies 5% fd globally

[frail snow]

Yea thats what i said

Which is like not any better

Considering main skills are v skills, exceed execution and nether shield only

[mystic oasis]

Pain Dampener idk tho when i read the description i didn’t think it was applied only to lunar slash and exceed only.

[frail snow]

And im sure nether shield is harder to cap than v skills

[mystic oasis]

oops type first ask q later syndrome my bad

[frail snow]

Pain dampener is basically removing the 10 FD% due to stages

But give 5% at any given stage u are at

[mystic oasis]

Hard to say if its a nerf since global fd% is nice. They could’ve just made it 10%

10% revenant cost is hilarious though, don’t think ive ever popped it without forbidden contract

[frail snow]

Lol unless the 5% FD is for the passive at level 1

[frail snow]

Fr right

🤡

[mystic oasis]

I always thought 10 seconds was pretty pathetic

But ngl after seeing what they did to cadena, im glad we got off easy

[frail snow]

The mark itself is pretty pathetic

[proud void]

What i thought they would do was add 5% fd and remove the cd, so 15% fd on both, that’d give +10%fd and -20%cd

I might be wrong tho

No i am indeed wrong, it says «exceed fd dmg increase effects removed»

If nexon really reduced DA’s survivability (a class without iframes relying on impen) and reduced our dps in the same go (a class already weak and relying on burst for any dmg at all) and called it rebalancing i might be quitting

[frail snow]

WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WOULD DO IS ADD MORE PASSIVE DAMAGE %

Im still triggered at that v4 hp thing, idk why

[frail snow]

Just a confusing way to say changing 10% to 5%

[frail snow]

I might be going back to WH HAHAH

[proud void]

Search up in appstore Rainbow Adventure Story

Lets rr games

[frail snow]

LES GO

[crimson marsh]

dragon nest mobile apr 20th

[proud void]

https://tenor.com/view/nlu-nolayingup-gif-48266377107406311

[crimson marsh]

seriously no mood after i saw those Hero changes

[proud void]

I saw them

I feel bad for heroes

[crimson marsh]

nexoned

[grim lynx]

Damn... looking at the rebalancing... make me feel like pulling the plug... not much changes for DA

[proud void]

Before nd after @frail snow

Both unbuffed

[frail snow]

It dropped that much?

[proud void]

Seems like it, tho the mdc increase is huge, so will compensate

[frail snow]

Wait this might not be after update

Might both be before update

Lemme do one quick

Idk if this is accurate comparison

I adjusted my link skills this morning

[frail snow]

Bruh now i keep dieng in AB

[teal kettle]

Af what map?

[frail snow]

380

I used to heal alot, feel the fear in my enemies eyes

Oh yea, any changes to the hyper passive?

[raw grove]

😮 whats ur MDC post patched

[teal kettle]

Yea definitely noticed the higher pot burn. Used to only use 10 or less an hour. Now maybe 4x as much at 570

[signal lagoon]

109

[raw grove]

Sick u are 2 or 3 times the people here hahhaha

[proud void]

I didnt even need to use pots, started with 1 every ab sesh ended with like 1k pots

[teal kettle]

I meant the actual pot used. Not net pot used against what you pick up.

[proud void]

Would ypu mind sharing your vmatrix and bossing presets/wheel?

[signal lagoon]

Here’s my bossing wheel and preset

[signal lagoon]

Vmatrix, not pictured is bat swarm which is a min/max skill. You could also ignore demon strike, but I wanted to min max my dashes in bosses. Other 4 are must haves imho.

[proud void]

Thanks bro, ill look into your presets and see if they are something i could utilize

[azure silo]

Is there a class guide somewhere? Just started today and took a look at the pins but didn''t see anything there.

[proud void]

One tip, dont pick Demon Avenger

I suggest you take a look at paladin or Bishop

[azure silo]

Lmao I already put in 6 hours and redeemed the goddess bonus thing for the character

[verbal canopy]

6 hours is nothing, never too late to switch

[azure silo]

Lmao okay

[verbal canopy]

Thanks for dropping by 🫡 GL with paladin

[frail snow]

At 380 is still go pot positive, but i think it's the lack of mobs to heal from thousand swords at a 5 to 6 people party

[frail snow]

Also due to the reduced heal of demonic blast to compensate for this, making me die in ab

Yea noticing pot positive is not happening at 6 party members

[brittle ravine]

Hi guys! New to this forum. Here’s a snapshot of where I am currently on DA. Why didn’t i discover this forum previously 🫠 are you guys not facing survivability issues during bossings post patch? Extremely vulnerable after Revenant duration ends 😢 what are your techniques to survive this in like Archon for example?

[brittle ravine]

Did this in training ground. My revenant hit count is higher than dimensional swords though 🤔

During the 20s of Revenant, i usually use a different preset whereby i omit casting Nether shield a 2nd time during the 20s dueation. Its just execution and Nether slice. I find cutting out the cast time of Nether shield to trigger another instance of Revenant yields slightly higher dps. Especially on multi target content such as Guild Honour.

[frail snow]

Yea naturally with the nerf of demonic blast

I really dk where the developers get the higher merit of survival from

[signal lagoon]

You can use overload release immediately after Revenant ends to reset exceed stacks/increase life steal, if you're still struggling with health use Impenetrable Skin to prevent 3 seconds of takeback damage. Also can put nether shield back in rotation as it's another afk source of healing.

[signal lagoon]

I think you can take nether slice out of your rotation, should be hitting cap without it.

[signal lagoon]

i'm curious too, not often we see a class nerfed b/c of survivability.

[brittle ravine]

Good point. I’ve never used overload release on manual before. Just hope at that point the boss is not in an untargetable state and there’s nothing to lifesteal from 🥲

[brittle ravine]

Hmm… interesting point. I kept it in there cause i assume it does help teammate’s damage done to the boss. Does it actually though?

[signal lagoon]

Hmm, I'm haven't tested it myself if it does help the team (from the skill description it seems like it). In the case it does, and your team can use it absolutely keep it in rotation.

[signal lagoon]

Yea, in such situations we're out of luck. I usually try to Impentrable Skin or Blink/fly up and pray for the best.

[frail snow]

Fr tho, how is DA considered having a 'higher srivival merit', while there are 30s pure iframes like dark sight and sacro. While our 2 iframes are the 3sec one and our v4. When our v4 ends, it just put us in risk of dieng even more

[frail snow]

Right? That's when v2 comes in and yet they nerfed it

[frail snow]

U could stay away from the boss until the hp drain from v4 is gone/almost gone then v1 to unblock overload release heal block, heal 100% w Overlead Release, then on v1 again, at least that's what i do time to time in solo damien/narch

[verbal canopy]

I think Nexon forgot our skills use HP%.

[teal kettle]

Or they assumed every da has 300k+ hp.

Buggers. We aren’t tanky in the tougher situations. We are actually squishy. We are tanky in places that pose no threat. We need a 3rd long duration iframe if they want to keep us on this health pool power everything scheme.

[frail snow]

LOL MAYBE

All the dev builds on stream they use have A60, level 270 characters

Maybe that's why

[raw grove]

3rd? u take revenant as 2nd?

[brittle ravine]

Oh i thought about this idea. But then gave up when i remembered V1 has a 10s cooldown. 🥴 if its like an instant on / off thing then i was already considering off, manual tap PE and on back again

[brittle ravine]

I have 338k HP and i feel super toufu. Effectively my HP hovers around 250k ish cause each skill cast costs HP. Not to mention all the decent skills which we equip on pets. When all cast at the same time the HP drops to like 150k. I insta died like that to a Golem drop from full HP once in Lucid phase 2 when coming out of mini game. 🫠

[raw grove]

i have never died in lucid p2 before

actually if u cast v4 more than likely ur heal will exceed the damage taken

[brittle ravine]

Oh usually I save V4 for when it is Dragon in Lucid Phase 2. Then there’s no downtime in dps.

[frail snow]

It works fine for me

[frail snow]

@brittle ravine by any chance do you know what the 18 stacks of overload release hyper passive really does

Or are there any reasons to use it post patch

[brittle ravine]

So you know how we get this Exceed Overload stacks every time we use an Exceed skill? The cap of this stack is at 20x. And with every stack, it reduces the amount of lifesteal by 5% (actually 4% because of Pain Dampener). At 20 stacks, it basically reduces our lifesteal by 100% (actually 80% because of Pain Dampener). So what the hyper passive does is cap the Overload Exceed stacks at 18. This would in turn, only reduce our lifesteal by 72% instead of 80%.

I guess if you are facing severe survivability issues then you could opt for this. But personally I would go for.

1. Exceed - Reinforce
2. Exceed - Boss Rush
3. Exceed - Deadly Crits
4. Exceed - Additional Reinforce
5. Nether Shield - Persist

[frail snow]

I SEE thx

[frail snow]

Is there any reason for u to choose exceed deadly crits over shield reinforce(20%fd)

For me i try to balance out the skill scaling of 210% exceed lunar slash and 220% nether shield

I might consider to switch to ur choice instead

Here because the max dmg of the lunar slash is already higher than the shield, would not make sense to do exceed deadly crits is my thought

[brittle ravine]

At the current moment I’m capping on both Execution and Nether Shield so it doesn’t really matter yet. But assuming if I’m not capping on both skills, I think I might still opt for Exceed : Deadly crits because of the sheer line count difference of Execution compared to Nether Shield. Almost 2x.

[unkempt barn]

What’s your unbuff stats

[frail snow]

Would u think in my case opting for exceed deadly crits would be better?

My cap is so low lol

[brittle ravine]

Minus out 50% BA cause I’m currently on Boss Rush

[frail snow]

Boss rush is 1.5x BA right?

[brittle ravine]

By the looks of it in your current state i would say yes. Adding 20% crit to your Execution would benefit 1200 lines while adding reinforce nether shield would benefit only 600 lines. But I’ve never tested it before ya so I could be wrong.

[brittle ravine]

Oh? I thought it only added 50% BA 😅 like another Fried Shrimp

[frail snow]

HAHA isee thanks for the insights

[frail snow]

HAHAHA thought u might mistake that

[unkempt barn]

Nice stat

U have a battle analysis from like Damien or anything

[frail snow]

After change of hyper passive to full exceed the diff is 2m now lol

[brittle ravine]

Why your combined damage dropped so much? Not all burst available? Dang… did I just lead you to lower dps 🫠

[brittle ravine]

I think i do but need to dig back. 😅

Oh and sharing here my way of doing Sharenian Culvert. Do let me know if there’s any other pointers I should take note of 😀
https://youtu.be/GBxSoAkKvBM?feature=shared

[brittle ravine]

Here’s my gloom run just now. DA is pretty strong in Gloom I’d say.

[unkempt barn]

Wow. Da caps pretty well huh

That’s really nice average damage.

Necro 50 weapon tho, right?

[frail snow]

Was wondering too, maybe it's cuz of v3

Just did a test with v3

[brittle ravine]

Nope. I’m at 42 😅 but i do optimise all my other stuff like flames, pots, legion, link skills properly

[brittle ravine]

I think in able to see which one was better in your current scenario will need to be on full buff and compare. But my friend also said theoretically the Execution CD 20% should be better due to the sheer line count difference

[proud void]

Why do you keep moving around when you can stand on lower plat to the right and not get affected from blue flames? Only thing is the allcures for stun. Also i see that my bossing wheel are a lot different from you guys

So im wondering if you could explain your bossingwheel as if im a noob

[brittle ravine]

Do you really not get damage by blue flames from the bottom right corner? I’ve heard of this position but i thought you’d get damaged

[proud void]

You dont, go try, atleast the dmg you take is from his attacks and stuns, also you are fully capable to outheal the dmg from flames when bursting

[brittle ravine]

Dang.. do you have a video tutorial for this technique? Would seriously be really helpful to watch and learn.

[proud void]

This spot right here

[proud void]

I can show you a short video later today since im out rn!

[brittle ravine]

My bossing wheel consists of

1. Will skill & Dimensional Swords preset (burst)
2. Demonic Fortitude, Weapon aura, defender of demon, otherworldly goddess blessing. (Additional dps / dmg buffs to use right before boss starts to avoid wasted buffs if auto cast on pets)
3. Demonic Blast (manual cast as well to time with DS4 special node)
4. Exceed : Demon Strike (dash skill for mobility and to alternate cast with execution to gain Exceed Overload stacks faster)
5. Execution , Nether Shields , Nether Slice preset (Main spam skill)
6. Impenetrable Skin (3s Iframe)
7. Thousand Swords (to precast right before boss starts, clear mobs in bossing and also when wanting to gain 10 Exceed Overload stacks directly)
8. Forbidden Contract, Revenant, Execution, Nether Slice preset ( to cast V4 for burst and exclude casting Nether shield during the 20s of Revenant) found it to be higher dps in certain scenarios. Nether shield casting animation takes out 1 (52 lines) or 2 procs (104 lines) of Revenant.

2nd page I have dimensional swords alone for when I want to keep Will’s skill for another time. Stun. Fair trade. Heroes Will for Gloom run when Bene is down. Bats. Manual Overload release.

[brittle ravine]

I’d really appreciate it! 🙏🏻

[frail snow]

I thought u take damage but that spot just don't know u back when hit w meteor

[frail snow]

HAHAHA i could never keep the stun on the second page

[frail snow]

How do u layout ur skill?

[proud void]

Purple meteor dont spawn there only blue one does too

Ill show you guys now

Look i stop attacking when the flames are on so i dont lifesteal, also the purple meteor dont spawn when u stay there

Also my wheel

@frail snow @brittle ravine

[frail snow]

Oh dang thanks, always wondered what the place is all about when i try i just die lol

[brittle ravine]

Dang that’s so good. Do you have to be like at the very edge to do this? I foresee i would either fall off or turn back too much and eat the flames 😂

[frail snow]

lucky DA has a dash skill

[proud void]

Just go far to the right, the knockback he does with meteor will knock yoj to ther very edge of the platform, so you dont need to be too precice

[brittle ravine]

Interesting. Usually i equip yellow jewel to prevent knockback. Sometimes it even cancels the casting of Nether shield. I suppose with this technique i can equip my blue Phy Dmg jewels 😀 thanks for the tip

[astral tulip]

Hi guys

Can someone help me

Anyone know what a fair price would be for this weapon?

[frail snow]

Mm and higher

What the buyer willing to pay lol, 15b?

[astral tulip]

He paid 140 + 5 bil

He said 1b is 10 usd nowadays…

[raw grove]

can u film ur gloom run? the lack of iframe is killing me

[brittle ravine]

Must it be post patch or doesn’t matter? If it doesn’t matter maybe can have a look at some of the videos i uploaded previously.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsGcrM5oV39_yTxsngZzXpJyqFomaaNyc&feature=shared

I haven’t recorded a run post patch before yet

[raw grove]

im v surprised u manual forbidden contract and demonic fortitude

and wah, i think ur dps can be higher if u save ur burst for eye open stage

[brittle ravine]

Forbidden contract is important to cast manually leh. Every time before cast Revenant need to cast Forbidden contract. Else take damage till 1HP then got no HP to cast any skills.

My demonic fortitude i move to pet already 😂 cause i hate the cast time. 0.3s like that

[brittle ravine]

I think should be same bah.. eye open the Defence still the same? Just that you can reduce boss HP during eye open. When deal dmg during eye close its still counted towards your total damage.

[raw grove]

you know by right, cast spell damage taken will increase revanant's hit count? this will charge up to 100% quickly. hence in theory forbidden contract is not very good. we need to ask Dev if Forbidden contract "counters" the use of revenant charge. maybe ill go and email and ask

[raw grove]

yes, but eyes close have 80% or smt Boss Defence ignore rate. hence its best to save burst for eye open for significant lower Defence ignore rate.

[brittle ravine]

I remembered in the earliest sneak peak before Revenant was released, it was written that you should take more damage in order to deal more damage. But when Revenant was actually released, i don’t see this mechanic anywhere. So essentially you still deal same damage even if your thorn of fury is 0% or if it is 100%. Hence no need to purposely take damage to charge it up?

[brittle ravine]

I see! I alternate them cause if not the eye opens too slowly 😂

[raw grove]

i would think this was damage taken hahaha

[frail snow]

Ooo curious how do uou gears look like

[brittle ravine]

I went to test. I tried to make everything else constant. Only difference is that first clip I activated Forbidden Contract. Hence taking no damage and have 0% Fury. Second clip I didn't activate Forbidden Contract. Hence I took damage from casting skills until my Fury was eventually 100%. The results showed practically no difference (No idea why 2nd clip was line counts less) 😂

Revenant analysis results

[brittle ravine]

Just realized, 2 line counts less probably due to 2nd clip has 2 “misses” more than 1st clip 😮

[raw grove]

I also tried just now. But sadly the test stone dont hit back. But for now my line count is q on par too

I tried manual forbidden contract but it doent work for me 🤣. I put it back to pet

[brittle ravine]

Put it in a preset with revenant? 😅 else what do you do when your HP is at 1 and cant cast skills during revenant? That’s a lot of wasted dps

[proud void]

@brittle ravine i have no clue why, and im probably utilizing it wrong, but i have never done so low amount of dmg in my damien run with that skillwheel

[brittle ravine]

Damien is very situational. Like some runs the ball keeps aggro-ing to you then dps drops a lot. Some runs barely goes to you then dps a lot. But essentially, it depends on if you are able to land full duration dimensional swords and as long as possible of Revenant before the boss goes into non-targetable phase. Those are your main dps during Damien

IMO Damien is the least favourable boss for DAs. Bosses like Gloom and Lucid are pretty favourable. Excluding Will and Archon cause i haven’t been able to clear yet but i think Will is quite favourable also

[brittle ravine]

Oh and ideally, land Dimensional Swords full 8s duration within the DS4 15s. And as much of the Revenant duration within the DS4 duration as well.

[frail snow]

Isn't Dimensional Swords 6s full?

[brittle ravine]

Nope its 8s. 20% of 40s duration.

[frail snow]

Do u lock spinning strike?

HAHA nvm

I think it's cause i always look up to the timer and never saw 7s or higher ans eventually locked in 6 as the duration

[brittle ravine]

Yes! This is like compulsory. I tested before, locking it has wayyy higher total line count compared to when you don’t lock it.

[frail snow]

Yea tbh i don't know what the unlocked ver does anyways

[brittle ravine]

Hahah good good. If you unlock it, it basically acts as like the purple cat V skill. Certain dps triggered like every 2s or so. But the line count is just sad

So like 18 line count every 2s over 40s.

[frail snow]

LMAO

[raw grove]

its good for AB LOL

[frail snow]

The 1s proc was better tho

[verbal canopy]

All those mythic sf accessories must be giving you a nice chunk of MDC huh?

[brittle ravine]

Yes Definitely! My mdc jumped from 40m to 54m post patch

But… those full A60 people jumped from 104m to 145m 🤣 literally jumped 40m which equals my mdc pre-patch

[verbal canopy]

Yeeep, everyone moves up the same lol 😂

I'm not even at 40m lol

[brittle ravine]

One of my guildmates damn lucky with the Dom Pendant. 8* currently without buying mythic accessories scroll 🤤

[frail snow]

LOL, msm wording says it's 1.5x of BA but it's actually fixed 50% BA & BD only. Their wording sux dun balme me

[brittle ravine]

Ahh you tested? Hahah cause i remembered it was just 50% when i tested like few years ago 😂

Good to know 👍

[frail snow]

Smh scammed LOL

[verbal canopy]

That's crazy lucky, 6.6m from an accessory is pretty nice.

It took me 6 attempts to go from 1* to 2* 😂

[brittle ravine]

Tell me about it

It just gets worse though. 8* to 9* is the rate of getting necro belt. 2% 😂 so i believe 9* to 10* would be 1% 🤣🤣

[verbal canopy]

If I can get it to 5* I'll be happy - then I'll just go back to making primals lol

[brittle ravine]

Just uploaded my latest Gloom run if anyone’s interested. 😌

https://youtu.be/MYKuZgNzeXY?feature=shared

[wet ingot]

Poor demons avenger they are soon weak

I hope they buff the class soon

[gilded onyx]

I DID IT GUYS!!

[unkempt barn]

R> lineage

[gilded onyx]

😂😂😂

[proud void]

Congrats! Prepear for failing about everything for the next few months, nexon know how to punish after gains are made

[verbal canopy]

Nice! How many attempts?

[gilded onyx]

3 tries haha

[frail snow]

Im so creaming

[gilded onyx]

CONGRATS!!!

[frail snow]

[proud void]

Huge W, congratz

[pseudo flint]

Hey veteran DAs, I'm a newbie on DA and need some advice on hyper stats. Wondering if this post is still relevant?

#1059998509627101184 message

[frail snow]

Yea

[proud void]

Best advice is to dont pick da man

Its insane how much i dislike da

Imagine having a main spam skill costing hp

[cinder cloud]

Skill heal/cost the same amount while you atack

Da never die if u have fingers to play It

[frail snow]

Lol are you maining DA now?

[proud void]

Teach me

[pseudo flint]

So far I haven't had much issues with sustaining hp, so far so good.. having a much better experience than angelic buster lool. maybe when I get to bossing I'll see issues

[cinder cloud]

Reach lv200, then max Demonic frenzy, u can kill every mob just walking, N for bosses it's a great ofensive/defensive BC decreasse all dmg u take even atacks that kill a regular character

Da can't be oneshoted with deadly atacks like derv dive from Damián and Lotus train

[proud void]

Well yes thats not the issue

The issue is that i lose hp from attacking so i cant stand around, and combined with ft (luckily it gets reworked) it becomes such a burden when they reduced our lifesteal by 50%.

I dont seem to be able to keep up with the leaking of the HP, so in too many instances i end up having to turn off ft (usually i toggle this off when burst is down - depending on phase of boss and ds4 i might keep it on to do a bit extra dps) and then run away because of low hp

So i dont understand why this happens, say in archon, our aggro keeps him left, i still lose a lot of hp from just attacking with ft

[ember cargo]

Archon sucks because of the purple spikes on the ground, but your heal is reduced at max exceed. Have to use exceed overload to recover the HP

[cinder cloud]

Try to use forbiden ccontract manually,

Btw, i play Da for years, but i don't fell awkward towards my char

[proud void]

Man that means i gotta redo my wheel again

[cinder cloud]

I beat sólo Lotus with 15m MDC, without V4 (revenant) years ago Oc, Demonic blast was weak

https://youtu.be/nRDwRtrZKu4?si=ptQG-4nlE2okdh4E

Try to manage ur hp, when u feel the danger, jump and fly

Our class are tanky, but no inmortal

[proud void]

Yes but using a video from a year ago is kinda pointless as thats not how the state of the game is rn

So i dont get it when you say just jump and fly when most attacks will hit you even in the air

Only way to bypass this is to use blink into glide at the best i believe

[cinder cloud]

My point is, with 137k de hp, no V4, and no necro, i soloed Lotus

[proud void]

How is that gonna help me?

[cinder cloud]

Play safe

[proud void]

Okay say you do archon, you’re aggro, how would you play that safe?

This will be multi, and you cannot let him start to hit freely as that’s gonna kill the other members in the run

[cinder cloud]

Ill do Archon, and gloom, i Will die once at most

I'm 305k de hp

[cinder cloud]

Archon phase 2 IS really annoying, i move constantly

[proud void]

But p3 is easier, normally id just force p3 asap

Then i could tank in corner and the rest just blast the yellow gauge

[cinder cloud]

Yeah, te best way to beat him

But the shards on the ground deal so many dmg

[pseudo flint]

This is great info guys 👍 much appreciated

[signal lagoon]

You blink up if you have aggro. All classes (except pally) struggle with heals in P1/P3, it's not unique to DA. This is what I and our other DPS members do in Hard Archon. DA actually has a easier time then other top tier classes like NW because you can immediately Fly after your blink ends to extend the duration. Your job as aggro isn't only to deal damage but to pin the boss in a corner, facing the opposite direction of your team mates.

DA is a tankier class, if you're struggling to outheal your damage watch your exceed stack count. Use forbidden contract or whatever the skill name is to reset your stacks so you can full heal.

Overload Release to reset your stacks/Heal rate and Forbidden Contract whenever you need it. Overload Release is a 10 sec CD Full Heal.

I am spamming Release often in end game bosses.

[teal kettle]

Full heal with v1 capping heal to 3%? Or you are taking v1 off each time and then put it back on? Or keep v1 off entirely? Just trying to learn here.

[frail snow]

2nd

[verbal canopy]

I usually have to toggle it off if I'm low HP and trying to heal.

[teal kettle]

I see. It’s a bit of micromanaging I guess. The positive is that we don’t need PE

[gilded onyx]

Do you guys manually use overload release?

[brittle ravine]

I leave V1 constantly on. It has a 10s CD right to turn it back on again? That’s quite a lot of dmg lines gone. But i suppose it could be done if facing severe survivability issues. Since u can use PE while V1 is off

[brittle ravine]

Just wanted to share an update to my guildmate’s unbelievable luck on Dom Pendant 😱

[frail snow]

Mine's at 3

[pseudo flint]

What v1 stands for?

[teal kettle]

That’s our first v matrix skill. The aoe dmg aura but caps healing from all sources to 3%

[proud void]

Thats the sexiest flex ive seen in a good while

[proud void]

Thank you, i love that you answer with experience in your explanations

[proud void]

Okay i figured it out, it wasnt harder than put overload release on preset with exceed

Thanks guys

[raw grove]

wa im trying to understand this

so u set both as preset?

[signal lagoon]

Release is on my first page and Forbidden Contract on second page.

[pseudo flint]

See a lot of DAs running Briser Grim as opposed to Jaihin. Why's that?

[verbal canopy]

It's probably a necro grim you're seeing - just has the same graphic as a briser

[tiny kernel]

hyper passives?

[crimson marsh]

right now im selling unique utgard desperado cd emblem, 3 line unique potential with equipable soul for 1b in ts, if anyone interested to negotiate meso price pls dm me, this item will be up on trade station for the next 1 month (asia 2 scania)

[proud void]

Any tips for how to play da efficiently in gloom?

[verbal canopy]

Just throw it into the exceed dmg enhancement and the nether shield extra hits

[tiny kernel]

ty guys

[crimson marsh]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lhia86-pSyzDSzCBviXeUnElsXTHwzYRNSoZoLsdMCA/edit?tab=t.0

there's a doc if u need

explanations of da are inside there

[crimson marsh]

Now selling 899m

[crimson marsh]

Pic

[hoary dove]

Hi guys, is demon avenger easy to use? I'm looking to build one as a bossing alt

ideally can solo arkarium.. do you guys have any idea how much investment I need for that? So far I have N40 emblem weapon

[crimson marsh]

Just need to be aware of ur hp

[winter silo]

The overlord release can full heal even with v1 on?

Do u press it when u need a emergency heal or press it if stacks reaches max

[hoary dove]

Any advice for ideal armor emblems for DA? Can I go full BA as a cheaper option or is CD really recommended for this class?

[hoary dove]

and are Physical Attack emblems really not good?

[crimson marsh]

No just cd and ba

[winter silo]

Anyone can advise on how to use Overload Release?

[crimson marsh]

I just make sure that my fd stacks are always maxed and i use it manually depending on the situation since it heals me

I never put OR in pet unless its auto battle

[winter silo]

I realized if put pet it doesnt auto trigger. Just tested it. Put it on wheel and pet and it never go on cool down

[crimson marsh]

It will trigger once the stacks are maxed

Maximum is 20 stacks

[winter silo]

So simply said, press when 20 stacks to increase ur healing when attacking right? For OR

[crimson marsh]

So the more stacks you have, the lesser you lifesteal, when you press OR it resets it but at the same time grants you FD

I only use it to keep my FD stacks up or use it during emergency

[winter silo]

But down side is ur attack are slower yea? Each time u press OR

[crimson marsh]

Yes for 2 attacks at maxed stacks

[winter silo]

So its kinda like whether u wanna press it to life drain more or leave it if u like ur current dps

[crimson marsh]

Yes

Just make sure you are at max FD after that its all up to you

[winter silo]

Hmmmm

Okok thanks!!

[crimson marsh]

Np!

[winter silo]

At first im still curious can OR heal u full hp even if V1 is on. Maybe im thinking too much HAHA

OR life drain is more after u on it

[crimson marsh]

There’s a lot of hp micro managing with this class

But you will get the hang of it

[winter silo]

If i planned to press it after every 20 stacks. Instead of putting OR at a diff skill wheel circle. I might as well put OR in my main attacking circle and hold my finger there

Its gonna sure trigger after 20 stacks without me pressing here and there

[crimson marsh]

If healing is not your concern

[winter silo]

Hmmm maybe i can go test the dps and see. 1 with OR and 1 without

[crimson marsh]

Yeah

[winter silo]

Oh also is nether slice worth to use during bossing? I see some bossing got ppl dont even use it

[brittle ravine]

Pressing OR even when you are not at max 20 stacks will also trigger OR. You just don’t get the full value FD for it. So no, i don’t recommend putting OR in your spam attack preset

[winter silo]

Okayy. On the top left of the screen the stacks numbers are so small 🫨

[winter silo]

So in short press it everytime it reaches 20 stacks shld be the way ya?

[brittle ravine]

I put it in pet and press it if its at full stacks if i’m at low hp for more lifesteal

[winter silo]

Ok thanks!

Is it worth using nether slice during bossing anyway?

Like it there rly any diff? Hahaha

[brittle ravine]

Haha I’m not sure if there’s any diff but i do put it in my execution, nether shield, nether slice preset rotation

[brittle ravine]

Haha I’m not sure if there’s any diff but i do put it in my execution, nether shield, nether slice preset rotation

[spiral hollow]

This useful for normal DA for auto battle ?

[gilded onyx]

Yup!

[desert summit]

Hello o'mighty ppl. I came with cursed question about the classes. I was reading bunch of stuff according to DS and DA and can't kinda decide till know what to play (basically f2p with no spending). What are your suggestions? Which of these two are more friendly in terms of mobbing and bossing without swiping card?

[ember cargo]

If you’re F2P you’re likely to be carried for bossing for a long time, so I wouldn’t care that much about bossing

DA advantage is their weapon is probably cheaper because no one buys it

[desert summit]

Well.. since you're here.. could u also tell me your opinion on DK pretty pretty please?

[ember cargo]

Good class if you have decent funding

[desert summit]

So big nono for f2p😄

[ember cargo]

Because high lines

Everything sucks for f2p don’t worry

[desert summit]

Everything sucks same? 😄

[ember cargo]

More or less

Some needs slightly better gear than others

But the difference is very small in the long run

[desert summit]

Oh boy all these informations are making it hard for me to decide what to stick with 😂

I will stop making up nonsense and stick to my Demon Slayer. Make a life calmer finally xd

[winter silo]

Thousands sword use during bossing or no?

[verbal canopy]

Nah

[brittle ravine]

I don’t spam it during bossing but i use it situationally. Boss like Lotus, Gloom with small mobs, I’d use it. I use it right before boss spawns cause there’s a small delay before the damage kicks in.

Sharing my Will cleared run here if anyone wants a reference ☺️ https://youtu.be/ae5gt4i41mQ?feature=shared

[pseudo flint]

Why not?

[verbal canopy]

Slow, better to use exceed and get more activations of revenant

[pseudo flint]

Just got my DA to 200. Any advice on v matrix node priorities?

[brittle ravine]

Boost nodes perfect trio are Execution, Nether Shield and Exceed execution

[pseudo flint]

By Execution you mean the Infernal Execution?

[brittle ravine]

Whoops yup

Infernal exceed

[pseudo flint]

How do you keep demonic frenzy up without dying? 😩

[verbal canopy]

Lots of HP, you can toggle it off in bossing if you need to heal up though

[mystic fern]

Hello do you have updated v skill for DA? Would really appreciate it!

[mystic fern]

Hello. Can i ask whats ideal emblem piece in armor for cd/ba. Like half CD half BA? 4 BA emblem armors, 3 CD belt, cape, shoulder and 1 weapon CD something like that? I'm planning to buy unique parts. Thank you.

[cinder cloud]

2-3ba it's ok

[mystic fern]

Thank you @cinder cloud really appreciate it!

[oak yoke]

Hey DA, I don’t main DA but just reached level 200x and I haven’t been leveling my passive skills. Just wanted to check is this correct?

[frail snow]

Nope

I dun think reduce overload is gd

These are mine

[frail snow]

Oh the lamunar slash isn't used often in mobbing tho, and isn't used in bossing

[teal kettle]

How to survive darkness in gloom as a da? I am stumped.

[frail snow]

Not yet doing gloom

[cinder cloud]

https://youtu.be/oZrWIqDuZis?si=2fn2uQkoXMndODAF. This was multiplayer mode

[teal kettle]

Appreciate the tip my friend. Got invited to a run tonight and I don’t want to be so bad that I will never get invited again. They say the run usually lasts between 2-4mins. So I just need to do my 2% plus not taking too many lives.

[cinder cloud]

No worries, always care ur hp

[cinder cloud]

https://youtu.be/ybRLY5C4l-s?si=nED9WNGUEXcKevga
I wanna share my single gloom practice with 3 lives and 42m Mdc, 100%free2play

[raw grove]

Anyone have DA vids in harchon and will? Wanna see and learn

[hoary dove]

Is there a general rotation of skills for bossing? Or just use all and spam exceed execution and nether shield? Don't know how to manage my HP that well yet

[cinder cloud]

Just spam execution/shield, and evade all atacks as u can, Da IS really tanky, but we still lacking Iframe

[lime lynx]

Which hyper skills are we suppose to max?

[stoic bane]

sure

[proud void]

Can i ask a question about this

Im struggeling a bit with the long animation/cast time for our spam attack, im trying to get by with using salvos of attacks, so i attack 3 times and move, but i dont really understand if im utilizing my burst correctly when doing gloom

I would use preset 3 then 1 then 2, is this wrong?

[cinder cloud]

Looks like my preset , lol it's the same XD

[proud void]

Implemented this one

[proud void]

So ig we both copycats

[cinder cloud]

I put all buff in autobuff, but...mi way is this, preset 2, then 1, preset 3 is on auto bc take time to use except for another world blessing, that thing i use manually

Revenar i use It to the last moment to make every sec count

[proud void]

Okay so to kind of skip the animation for casting preset 3 you just put them on pets? That would indeed reduce the time standing still before bursting

[cinder cloud]

Yeah, with the games current patch Buff wont activate untill you atk

Revenant can reach 2k lines if u know how to use it

[frail snow]

Hmm is mine weirdly used?

[proud void]

whats the first skill on preset 4?

[frail snow]

Damien

[proud void]

Oh soul skill?

Wait what? what skill is the middle one in page 2 of skillwheel?

[frail snow]

Ye

Huh

[proud void]

Ahhh

Nvm

[frail snow]

Isn't that just DA's crit rate and hp buff

[proud void]

Yeah i for a moment thought youd got hexa

[frail snow]

[brittle ravine]

So for Gloom, i do change up my skill wheel a bit compared to other bosses for this boss specific optimisation.

1. I put the 4 buff skills (your preset 3) on pets. Realized i was capping anyway and don’t need to time those FD buffs and small amount of additional lines for burst period.
2. I put Demonic Blast into my spam skill wheel. Typically i just don’t want it to be in pet because i start attacking to build up exceed stacks before boss spawns.
3. I equip Heroes Will skill. This is to be used on the rotation of the eye opening when BS’s benediction is on cd. Heroes Will then only start flying up to avoid getting hit by debris and getting disabled.

Hope this helps!

[brittle ravine]

Not sure if can hit 2k lines but I hit average 1718 lines each cast in my Will run.

[cinder cloud]

I could swear I got 2k before, but now I'm stuck at 1.7k....weird

[mystic fern]

Can i see your legion and link skills in DA?

I've been creating warrior class for hp%..

[brittle ravine]

Theoretically it should hit 2k if you manage to trigger it every 0.5s

[hoary dove]

How do you guys actually manage Demonic Frenzy skill? I become more prone to dying when using it because it lessens healing

[mystic fern]

We had the same problem. I just turn this off before then turn it on if you can manage to farm comfortably with it. Your dmg will get low but its the only way until you have enough hp or better atk to kill mobs fast when frenzy hit mobs

[hoary dove]

Yea, i dont activate it during AB. But during bossing I have no idea how to use it and I was surprised to see from this chart that it was actually the largest source of DA damage

[brittle ravine]

It’s more of understanding the mechanics of DA then play around it. Like for me, i have demonic frenzy on like 24/7. I never off it for AB or bossing. That said, I also have Overload release on my pet. So every 30s, my pet will auto cast it. Then during the next 30s, i woulda hit full stacks again and be ready for the next auto overload release trigger.

To answer specifically to bossing, it’s a matter of constant monitoring your HP and overload stacks. Number 1 thing to note is, ||WHEN you are at full stacks, you get the least lifesteal. || Its almost like nett 0 HP addition if you are constantly attacking and won’t recover HP at all. Lifesteal HP amount = skill cast HP. Here are some tips that I use during bossing.

1. When my HP is low (i just took a hit from boss and I need to recover HP), I’ll look up at top left to see if my stacks are full (Overload Release symbol appears). If it is, I’ll swap to skill page 2 and quickly manual trigger Overload Release. It recovers negligible HP upon triggering but the next few execution hits would gain you nett +ve HP and recover back your health pool. I also keep an eye on the Overload Release status cooldown in the status bar, if the cooldown is like 2s left then I’ll probably just survive for the next 2s and let my pet auto trigger Overload release. Cause manual triggering has like a 0.5s cast time.

2. Knowing boss skill rotations. If I know the following boss rotation sequence will damage me significantly and I’m at like 75% HP and won’t survive it, run away. Preferably have Nether Shield already casted and auto targeting the boss when you run away. Casting Nether Shield on boss and running away is also a good method of gaining nett HP recovery.

3. In addition to point 2, when I am low on HP, I would also just double jump straight up and glide around while waiting for Nether Shield to gain me HP. Or if the boss is pinned to the wall, just glide directly into the wall and you will just be slowly descending. I use this particularly in Hard Archon.

4. Use Impenetrable Skin iframe during the 5s after Revenant ends. I try to save this iframe, if possible, to when i just finish using Revenant. This negates a huge amount of damage return and wouldn’t leave you extremely vulnerable at 1 HP.

[hoary dove]

Thank you so much!!! This is so helpful!!

I had a hard time understanding DA skill and mechanics, I'm used to DK and it's braindead just burst and survive gameplay

[frail snow]

Gah dam, DA got cheats

[sweet dune]

Revenant buff where you can’t die in dojo with demon avenger. It happens every time I enter. Anyone have this glitch?

[frail snow]

Time to abuse the hell out of it

How do u reproduce it?

[brittle ravine]

Wow really? I mean i noticed the % there on the HP bar but i never went to test and take fatal damage. But if you use revenant in dojo, the % resets again right and you become vulnerable again after the 20s?