Phantom

[ionic bone]

No

[outer oyster]

What's your DR%?

barely managing 1 frag per hour with 90% DR zzz

[ionic bone]

Your kills/hr is what’s doing you dirty

My ss was avg 11.6k kills per hour

Yours was 9.75k

My drop rate is about the same as yours

[outer oyster]

but in the weeks before it's never been this bad

mostly managed 2/hr at least

only past 4-5 days or so it's been horrendous

[outer oyster]

10.3k and nothing 🙂

istg smth is wrong

[little lagoon]

I have the same problem recently. But my Dr is around 50% but I found it lower than previous week

[outer oyster]

I'm submitting a ticket lol this is ridiculous

[mossy pilot]

100% drop rate (clean)
12,700 killing per hour

[outer oyster]

showing those screenshots just convinces me that smth is wrong for sure lol. how can a ~10% difference in drop rate and ~2k mobs per hour make that big of a difference

[ionic bone]

That’s 2k more chances at a drop with higher % chance per kill

It adds up

In 10 hours that 20k more kills

[outer oyster]

bro, i'm getting 0 drops in 6 hours

????

at 90% drop rate

[vernal holly]

🤔 hmm

That sounds really off

[vernal holly]

What map are you on and what weapon are you using? Maybe use a weapon with fair trade

Are you solo or in a party

And what’s your stolen skill set up looking like for farming?

[outer oyster]

i tried both solo and pt

A50 wep

using these, but skillset shouldn't matter so much since my kill rate isn't that much lower

[ionic bone]

Use arrow platter and Chain lightning. As well as hyper f/p

That will help your kill count

Adjust your v3/v4 to teleport

[vernal holly]

Yah i would run those^ make sure v3 and v4 teleport as well

[outer oyster]

my v3 and v4 are always on teleport when mobbing alr

but ya will try arrow platter and C/L

and dark thirst for hyper

but again, really don't think the difference in kill count should amount to THAT big a difference in frag gain

plus my other guildies in A2U are also reporting similar experiences with sudden extremely low frag counts

[vernal holly]

i get 12500 kills per hour in sacred force 30

[vernal holly]

Hmm possibly a bug? 6hrs solo and no drops at 90% dr sounds pretty broken to me

[outer oyster]

yes that's exactly what i've been saying

gonna spam them with tickets

getting my guildies to do the same also

screw their typical bs response of "things working as intended" ain't no way

[ionic bone]

I usually change channels and make a new party when I see my drops not normal

[outer oyster]

it's been like this for the past few days, can't be that I've been using the same channel the whole way right

but anw thanks for providing screenshots of your farming analysis too, I'll attach along as evidence that smth is wrong

[ionic bone]

Iunno, guildies and i all do that. We avg similar drops day to day

I do notice lower kills/hr not coming close to our drops which correlates

[vernal holly]

Same lmao

i change channels, seems to refresh it. Lowkey. Idk though not confirmed lol

[ionic bone]

Not having to wait 90 years to level something up is nice with having origin at 10 lmao.

[outer oyster]

ok yeap maybe it was just nexon's way of telling me, take the fewer frags and here's the trade-off 😳 was at 7 6 5 and saved for last 2 upgrades in 1 go, just finished accumulating the 60 frags and wew

[outer oyster]

also I swear they must have fixed smth lol

[vernal holly]

👀 wow must be nice

[ionic bone]

Orrrrr rng is rng

And take it as it is

Your kill count also went up a ton lol

2k to be exact

[mellow cave]

Anyone can share their hexa skill build?

[vernal holly]

Found this in korean MSM.

[tawny leaf]

Suggested stolen skills for support vs solo bossing? Which skills for support? Which skills for solo bossing?

[outer oyster]

don't know what his MDC is though so hard to know if route is optimal

interesting that they still introduce sol janus also lol

and thank god M2 is Milles...hope that comes before/concurrent with janus

[stray trail]

What’s janus? @outer oyster I’m assuming that hexa skill bottom right but what does it do?

[vernal holly]

seems to be an alt account

alt phantom from what i saw

[mellow cave]

Internet finds

[outer oyster]

Sol Janus is a mobbing skill in PC. Has 2 modes - dawn and dusk. One mode makes it a summon and the other makes it an occasional large aoe attack

[bold bolt]

@past wing Could we get this pinned please?

[past wing]

yessir

[bold bolt]

Thank you!

[stray trail]

Ouuu okay ty

Need that Millie tho for sure it’s too weak

[vernal holly]

This is for PC phantoms not sure how it holds up for mobile phantoms

[vernal holly]

Need!! 🥺

[outer oyster]

yea, the way the skills work in PC are quite different actually, plus they don't typically have the issue of capping

[outer oyster]

btw guys just curious - do y'all use Rose Carte/Venom Burst when bossing?

[bold bolt]

I'm sorry for the ping. Please remove that last pin. It's for PC Maplestory phantoms. May or may not apply to MSM Phantoms

[past wing]

all good, ping me again when needed

like when you make one for msm

[vernal holly]

can nexon make one? As you can see we’re headless chickens right now 🥹

[vernal holly]

I do presetted with v3 v4 rose venom burst

[outer oyster]

Oo ok. Is it still worth it if they're barely scratching 2-3% in an entire BA? Cause I thought holding milles would give better dps

[outer oyster]

BA from NVHilla

[simple escarp]

Can i ask how u guys upgrade hexa skill after origin lvl10?

Continue origin or mastery

[vernal holly]

For me i think its worth since i just hold down the preset an extra second. Idk its personal preference tbh

[vernal holly]

Not sure yet we are waiting for answers

[outer oyster]

Have you tried a doing a BA with and without using the 2 skills? Think I'll try it out when I have time to see how much difference there is haha

[split yew]

Also me im like with 200 fragment and didnt use them yet after lvl 10 orgin.
I think abot v2 and then v1 before the tempset cuz he week and i dont cap the v2 always

[vernal holly]

I have tried and noticed slight less damage but im just used to holding down my preset so it threw me off abit when i unequipped rose and venom burst. Not sure whats better just whatever works for you and your gameplay !

[vernal holly]

My thoughts are
Origin 10
V1 V2 V3 V4 boosts 10
Tempest 5~10
then back to origin until 30.

Not sure if it’s best or not but just going by battle analysis

Any input would be appreciated

[vernal holly]

Demon slayer’s hexa but this is a good idea of what I was going for. 1 year of farming in KMSM

[outer oyster]

Gg, 1 year in and no M2 yet...sounds like we're cooked sadge

[vernal holly]

They do have it now

this is right before m2

[ionic bone]

The route I’m going and is based off what I’ve been testing. Post getting origin to 10. Tempest to 10. V1/V2 to 10. V3/4 to 5. Origin to 20. V3/4 to 10. Origin to 30. Tempest to 20. V1/2 to 20. Tempest to 30. V3/4 to 30.

[rough plume]

We don't activate hexa stat until those ?

[ionic bone]

You would do hexastat how you deem fit.

I did mine first

I got max secondary and went on with skills

[mossy pilot]

Do you feel a significant change in the soul drop rate? Is more energy dropping now?

[gritty vector]

I have 101% drop rate, and I’m getting 2-3 shards per hour.

And quite a bit more energy

[mossy pilot]

I’m at 104%, but I used to do around 50–60 in 16–18 hours. Now I barely do 30–35.

[tawny leaf]

#msm-feedback-qol message

#easier phantom life please.
Try getting stolen skills preset added! Go thumbs up!

[ionic bone]

When i don’t get drops i change Channels

I was at 1:1 then changed channels and now i got 18 in 3 hours

[mossy pilot]

I don’t believe that %drop anymore

Its fake stats

Im run on 150% with buff 15-18hours same drops as i was 40-50%

[ionic bone]

I’m a firm believer in changing channels

I have seen higher drops with drop rate buffs

[mossy pilot]

I do it also until i see first sol erda drop less then 5-7min

[gritty vector]

Yah there are definitely channels that the drop rate is bugged. I’ve got nights of getting 3hr. And other nights where it’s like .5 an hour.

[little lagoon]

Just wondering. Everyone here has full mpet set while farming? Not sure if anyone tried their rate with only 1 mpet or full blue pet?

[mossy pilot]

Agree 100%

im saying that ppl they think im crazy 🫣

[gritty vector]

If you are 250+ without mpets. Idk what you are doing lol

[little lagoon]

I only have 1 mpet for farming previously as I was mostly f2p

But been thinking to invest into getting the full set. So wanted to get you all pro's opinion on how much difference it makes

[gritty vector]

You get multiple more slots to equip self buffs. As well as they have a 3 set effect for more stats. Not to mention even more stats for lvling them up.

[mossy pilot]

Nice Results

[kindred geode]

Have we gotten any accurate info on hexa skills after origin lvl 10?just so many mixed feelings for us all with what to prioritize and get the most out of

[gritty vector]

I haven’t gotten my phantom to lv250 yet. But my goal on my shadower is get them all to lv10, then switch back to lvling origin

[vernal holly]

just going to go for all 10s then back to origin and then do more battle anaylsis to get a better grasp on dps allocations

[vernal holly]

Accurate idk. Im winging it since there isn’t any info. I messaged the big asia whale phantom but no response 😅

[kindred geode]

lol good my bro thx

[kindred geode]

So I was capping my V skills so decided to put up hexa skill first to 10 so that’s where I am at and if you hear from big OG in Asia plz let us know

Btw I just took rose carte out of my bossing setup… I was checking stats and honestly doesn’t do anything in comparison… get more from Millie

[oblique spoke]

hey guys! i have a random question, what is the best DPS rotation as a 252 Phantom? what skills should i use for most DPS?

[broken surge]

A bit late but I leveled tempest up before working on V skills lvl 2-10, I just run gloom practice mode and use all my bursts to see which ones cap/don’t cap and for me tempest was lower

[vernal holly]

That’s what i did to just checking which has lowest min dmg for me and upgrading from there. So now im doing my v2 to 10

[vernal holly]

origin, luck of the draw, ace in the hole, phantoms mark, rift break and tempest are the biggest dps we have. Mille when everything on cooldown

[vernal holly]

Gonna try culvert with and without it to see if it makes a difference for me

[kindred geode]

Lmk

[tawny leaf]

This is a very long culvert 👀

[vernal holly]

i have yet to go

not boss rushing until sunday night EST time

[tawny leaf]

Any chance I can steal your set up while you’re here?

My steal skill only works in game unfortunately 😅

[vernal holly]

what set up you looking for?

auto battle?
bossing/DPS?

[tawny leaf]

Both if you wouldn’t mind. It’s terribly hard to find up to date posts with actual functionality

Do you have a support set up too? Or dps focused only

[vernal holly]

this is my AB stolen skills + skill wheel

this is my bossing stolen skills, but you could also use the night lord's hyper for sherian culvert.

for support it just depends on what your team needs
could be paladin single res (guardian) or
bishop's multi res/shell
or
buccaneer's time leap
everyone has decent holy fountain now so not sure if people need that still.

[tawny leaf]

Is the ab skill wheel the same as the bossing wheel?

[vernal holly]

this is just how I play. probably different for others

[tawny leaf]

How does freuds wisdom work exactly?

And I’m assuming the rotation would be
1:buff
2:origin
3:luck of the draw
4:ace in the hole preset
5:phantom mark preset
6:tempest
7:mille
8:repeat as cd’s expire
?

I did this and my original set up and came up with the exact same results haha

Mines a lazier set up. Yours is more controlled

[tawny leaf]

I tap 1 time and I have 9 seconds iframe and I tap it again before timer expires for another 9 seconds iframe+buffs?

So 18-20 second iframe? 👀

[vernal holly]

yes you double tap for 10second iframe
or single tap and itll cycle through buffs for 10s each

i think. lol

[tawny leaf]

Oh ok so only 1 time 10 second

Yeah I just tried to tap it once’s and I was still taking damage

[vernal holly]

yes because iframe is the last buff in the cycle, so it would have to cycle through the first 5 buffs

or u can double tap to get all buffs at the same time

[tawny leaf]

Assuming this is correct?

[tawny leaf]

Do you specifically use this for iframe only? Or do you use it during burst?

[half jacinth]

Hey guys, phantom here

Showdown does way more dmg than cl, and is faster cast. How come most use cl?

I also did a test and for my character at least, my kill rate is higher with showdown. Did the test solo farming at sp30. So I’m wondering why most seem to use cl - maybe I’m doing something wrong with cl?

[mossy pilot]

How should i keep from there?

[kindred geode]

I use showdown

I hate that new fake iframe lol tanks a hit but those bosses be smacking you with a few attacks lol

[vernal holly]

i been using it with burst

[vernal holly]

i use ace in hole preset first then origin. v1 usually after but depends on the content. phantoms mark preset and then tempest usually

[vernal holly]

im doing 10 all around then back to origin for the meantime

not sure about everyone else

[ionic bone]

That’s what I’ve been doing as well

[vernal holly]

without rose

with rose

the 899 also was with rose

Battle analysis with / without rose and venom burst on presets

[gritty vector]

Words so keep rose around

[half jacinth]

What rose?

[half jacinth]

For rift break and phantoms mark, do you activate it or keep it inactivated for bossing?

[mossy pilot]

I think you can achieve a much higher result for your cap.

[half jacinth]

and does it matter which you cast first? i tried it back and forth and it doesn't seem to make a diff but the skill description seems to indicate its better to play phantoms mark before rift break

[vernal holly]

I’ve been trying but couldn’t break passed the 899k. Maybe my ied is too low

[vernal holly]

Phantom mark bossing on, rift breaking bossing off.
Let’s you cast the skills and stay in place

[half jacinth]

yea i see the tp for mark. i kind of like the tp, esp for bosses like lotus's first phase

[vernal holly]

Our active hyper skill

[half jacinth]

Oh LOL

i know that rose

why would you ever not use that in bossing..

[vernal holly]

Well its weak, in my battle analysis its only 1.3% of my overall damage. But i preset it with phantoms mark and rift breaking since all cooldowns are 30s so its a simple hold preset every 30s

So to me it feels like free damage in a way. Although its small

[half jacinth]

yea thats how i see it too. doesn't take too long to cast either

also phantom is so weird. i just did a test run for ab removing my main attacking skill (showdown) and i still got almost as many kills per minute as I do when i have it

like what is that

@vernal holly you probably get asked this a lot but can you share your bossing skill order? it probably depends on boss but lets say for a boss like Will or Hilla where you typically start w origin

[half jacinth]

i usually start w:

1. Buffs: maple world goddess blessing, heroic memories, freud's wisdom (1 click), last resort
2. Origin (unless its a boss where the 1st phase dies fast like lotus or damien)
3. Ace in the hole
4. Luck of the draw
5. Rift break
6. Phantom's mark
7. Rose
8. Arachnid
9. Venom Burst
10. Tempest
11. Mille
12. Repeat skills that come up asap, except I try and stack the next round of buffs with Luck of the draw

[mossy pilot]

Can send stas?

[half jacinth]

For the skills we steal for ab/bossing, we have to manually switch them every time right?

Or is there a way to make that automatic

[tawny leaf]

Manual only right now. Exhausting

[half jacinth]

Truly lol

I only started doing it today and I’m already exhausted

[tawny leaf]

If you’re not a main dps in a daily boss run or minor weekly boss, I’d probably leave it if you’re focused on ab’ing consistently.

[half jacinth]

I see now. Just did my first long boss and rose did .63% of my dmg lol. Truly inconsequential

[half jacinth]

Can you share ab wheel?

And what’s your droprate? Getting almost 5 frags per hour

[bold bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-sunglasses-mesmerized-amazed-gif-10595322

[vernal holly]

For me i run phantoms mark rift break rose and venom burst in one preset making it a simple hold every 30seconds.
Venom burst will come back every other cast of the preset.
I also cast ace before the boss spawns along with will skill right when the boss spawns to trigger defense smash 4.

So for me ace 1-2seconds prior to boss spawning
Will skill
origin
Preset (phantom mark, rift, rose, venom)
luck of the draw
Tempest
Mille when everythings on cooldown
Then pretty much use everything as they come back.
not sure if this is the best play, but it works for me

[half jacinth]

Sick that’s so detailed ty dude

You take will skill on and off for Will or does it permanently take up a slot by itself

Just did my fist will tonight and learned I can’t use that skill in there lol

[vernal holly]

Like from v matrix or skill wheel

[vernal holly]

I played with the top preset in my last will run. It just skips the skill and casts ace if im in will. But if i remember i just swap ace in the hole for the preset. But i forgot last time

[half jacinth]

Skill wheel

[vernal holly]

Also the bottom preset would need lv30 on phantoms mark and rift break to get them to 30seconds of cooldown

[half jacinth]

Def not matrix we got excess spots I feel like

Yea I got all on lvl 30

I’m leveled up decent just late to the bossing game hah

What killrate should we aim for in ab if we’re solo abing sp30 for frags

[vernal holly]

i get like 12600 an hour or 210 per minute

[ionic bone]

^

[half jacinth]

Thanks for the help

Any update on which Hexa skills to work on after getting origin 10? Just got origin 10 today

[vernal holly]

No problem ~

congrats on that lv10

[half jacinth]

From my most recent ba (will), among the 5 upgradable skills the dmg was as follows (from highest to lowest):

1. luck of the draw (above origin bc I only cast origin twice and luck four times)
2. Ace (surprising tbh)
3. Rift
4. Mark
5. Tempest (by far lowest)

[vernal holly]

Me personally i am just going for all lv10s then back to origin. Not sure what the best move is for us still lol

[half jacinth]

Rift and mark should have been the same but I couldn’t cast mark once bc I have the tp effect on and if I did I woulda landed on a dude w poison lol

I am not sure if I’m capping - any way to check?

[kindred geode]

I use origin and then luck of the draw then the preset and then Mille until preset is back in 30 seconds…. I use draw first because we have a chance of getting a final dmg buff after luck of draw finishes

[kindred geode]

We have similar stats lol I just have a bit less MDC

[earnest lodge]

Hi guys, at A2S necro cane with lvl 40 and emblem, normallu price how much

Normally*

[gritty vector]

In NA - they are between 6-10b depending on all the stats

[earnest lodge]

Okay thanks

[vernal holly]

I do that also when splits available get the most out of my v1 then preset after

[earnest lodge]

Was about to save up and buy 1 necro. Didnt expect without any scroll i success. I think my 7 or 8th attempt

Which potential better

[mossy pilot]

Left

[half jacinth]

Good thing I didn’t say anything cuz I wasn’t sure but thought maybe right was better hah

I usually carry sacro for bosses and use magic guard, but I’m considering dropping sacro for the fd skill and using dark sight instead of magic guard. I’m wondering if I would be giving up too much survivability by removing magic guard though. Any thoughts on this

[vernal holly]

I only use magic guard for training. I used to main ice mage and didn’t like when i had no MP due to getting hit while in the middle of a burst skill due to magic guard

[vernal holly]

Definitely take dark sight instead

Progress

[half jacinth]

Thanks @vernal holly for always answering. You’re the man

Oooh tempest second and ace third

I’m waiting for tomorrow’s new round of bosses to see what I should max second. I think I’ll max the highest dmg skill (% dmg to boss wise) that doesn’t cap and then see what happens. Thoughts?

[vernal holly]

Tempest and ace were my lowest min dmg so i went that route

Gonna do luck next then phantoms and rift

[half jacinth]

Interesting. I’m way lower on dmg than you so I figure I should try and grow where I’m strong first since it’s a % increase on dmg

Either way with time it’ll even out so no terrible route I feel like w these skills

[vernal holly]

The strongest skill after origin should be luck of the draw if you wanna hit that first i don’t see anything wrong with it

[half jacinth]

I’m close to capping w that so I was actually considering ace bc I seem to do a lot w that and I use that for ab so win win maybe

What’s the best way to test dmg in fog? I’m not sure what setting to put in

[half jacinth]

So if I wanna test for my dmg vs Will do I set it like this? A little confused as to what the difference between setting lvl 1 v 200 is

[vernal holly]

I messaged you

[outer oyster]

Any particular reason you don't use V1 immediately after origin?

[vernal holly]

Depends on content if there are phases where the boss dies too quick

in culvert its so i can get an extra cast of v3 v4 and tempest

before 3min mark

[outer oyster]

ah I see, makes sense

[raven pier]

Just out of curiosity, anyone knows how to unlock lvl200/250 skills to steal?

[vernal holly]

You can’t

[outer oyster]

We only have until IM4, no IM5/6

[earnest lodge]

Hi, i wanted to ask is this worth the price?

[outer oyster]

sorry am i blind or do i not see a price..?

[earnest lodge]

my bad, its 1.8b

because i just done my necro weapon, now working on the next eq. glove / hat

[outer oyster]

doesn't look like it's exalted right

with 1 cut left

if you think you'll probably hold on to it all the way down the road, you can consider i suppose

but if it's not something that will help your progression I think you're better off saving up

and go for a necro straight

[kindred geode]

Bro you think you can share your chaos will battle results? I want to see how the minimum is looking I’m tryna bring mine up but I want to see if it’s something common

This mine

[vernal holly]

Was on bishop mode with holy fountain and multi res

[kindred geode]

Thx bro so it makes sense the gap I guess when we max out all the hexa skills we will have the min closer to max

[half jacinth]

How are you casting origin three times in under 12 min?

[kindred geode]

Cast then 4 min cast 4 min cast

[calm granite]

Any good skill wheel setups for bossing and farming?

[tacit summit]

Copy posted wheels and stolen skills a few weeks ago. If you scroll through the media it shouldn’t be too far back!

[earnest lodge]

Im wondering, tht day i able to solo multiplayer ark and single ndamien without any issue. Now i tried i feel somehow the boss become tankier, using the same buff same eq. Did the boss got buff or what

Something doesnt feel right

Sorry for being noob, i didnt open fair trade skill

Gga

[mossy pilot]

How That?

[vernal holly]

The asia phantom got back to me
16 origin
V1 10
V2 10
everything else lv1

[vernal holly]

Damn whats the drop rate 👀

[half jacinth]

He didn’t lvl tempest? Interesting

[mossy pilot]

104% clean

[outer oyster]

@vernal holly what hyper do you usually use for bossing if you want more dps? DT or BD?

[vernal holly]

dark thirst for me i like the final damage and heal ticks. I think they yield similar dps

[kindred geode]

I reinserted rose in my 30 sec burst cycle lol it takes 1 sec to cast and even though it’s super low dmg it’s still something lol

[little lagoon]

I always had the impression that it would be worth it as it might help to proc the carde as rose does dot?

[vernal holly]

free damage in my opinion if on the preset just hold cast

adds up with venom burst there too

[vernal holly]

anyone lose alot of CP

[kindred geode]

Yea I have venom on it as well

[kindred geode]

I lost about 30mil CP

[vernal holly]

oo okay me too

140 -> 110

how about you

[kindred geode]

Remember we lost a lot from end of event

130-100

[vernal holly]

i didnt know event gave cp

o ok so not a glitch then

haha

[kindred geode]

That’s what I’m thinking

Cuz remember we had crit rate ied Phy att or dmg

I hope it’s a glitch actually lol

I feel weak looking up at the top left corner lol

[earnest lodge]

Hi guys. Eventho im not capping, is it necessary for me to activate the hexa stat? Or just lvl up origin

[outer oyster]

I would say it's still good to finish hexa stat first for the IED and FD you can gain

[earnest lodge]

Alright

[eternal shard]

Hexa stat is max 20 or 30? Should we just stop at 20? Cuz it’s costly to do more? I only got 75m mdc from it btw..

[swift marsh]

hello guys for auto battle if i cannot one shot with chain lightning is it a better idea to use mille instead?

[ionic bone]

Try showdown

[swift marsh]

seems to be better for me

thanks!

[buoyant portal]

Why is so painfully dreadfull to sell any Phantom gear lol

Is this class dying or something

[bold bolt]

I just noticed that my hexa stats was on the empty page 2.

[bold bolt]

Bumped me up like 10m cp

[mossy pilot]

You guys noticed they reduced the % drop rate?

Before the update i did like 4-5 fragments per hour now its 2

[kindred geode]

Def feeling it

[vernal holly]

i felt it in party, drops are still bad. But better than party pre-patch drops. But solo is still better for drops alone

[mossy pilot]

Im only solo

Party

Need try 20hours with party to checkout for real

[vernal holly]

In a 6/6 party for me and i have the same drop rate when soloing. Pretty sad

Got the same in 4 hrs solo so far lmao

[little lagoon]

Hmm so party and solo drop rates became same?

I haven't join any pt for farming frags for awhile now

[mossy pilot]

Solo betters drop

[little lagoon]

I just tried party for 2 hours and got ntg 😂

[deft talon]

Yeah..I get 1-2 for 2 hours ab with 2pax pt

[kindred geode]

Duo is working fine but 3+ party drops are wackkkkk

[wide isle]

Any advice to clear clucid? I'm very close but i need a little bit more of dmg

[gritty vector]

Just out of curiosity. What do your stats look like to be that close to clearing?

[vernal holly]

How many mini games you getting

[wide isle]

I got like 3 in that run

[kindred geode]

I was just gonna ask that lol

[buoyant portal]

Someone pls buy my necro cane for 7.5b in A2S I beg you it’s the one that’s better than the others and still cheaper

[primal arrow]

As per my Darknell battle analysis, seems like i still need to upgrade origin first?
Currently
Origin lvl10
V1 lvl 1
V2 lvl 10
V3 lvl1
V4 lvl1

[split yew]

Clear it with 370 MDC

[swift marsh]

dang

what are ur emblems like?

4:4 BA CD?

[split yew]

Yes

[outer oyster]

Wait for new set of event buffs

Jokes aside, probably just need a bit more MDC if you're capping, or exalt wep/wash potentials if not capping properly yet

[vernal holly]

yes origin seems to be the play for us

[half jacinth]

This is after tempest, ace in the hole, and lucky of the draw all reach lvl 10 right

[vernal holly]

That’s what i did yes but some people skipped tempest

[half jacinth]

My temp was so weak compared to other skills I felt I def needed to upgrade it, even though it gave less % dmg than other skills

[stray trail]

Hey what was your origin level here for this clucid run?

[wide isle]

Level 8

[vernal holly]

Maybe w/ lv 10 origin and 1-2 less mini game will be clearable w/ time leftover.
Might be difficult to keep track of cleansing, i sometimes use blink or ace cooldown timers for it

[vernal holly]

Ya it definitely helps w/ the 30% skill dmg for lv10. Im not gonna regret it. My plan is 10 all around + max origin whenever that comes around 😅

[half jacinth]

Yea my mdc just isn’t high enough where i need to upgrade rift and phantoms mark yet so after LOTD im gonna work on origin. Upgrades are costing so much though lol insane

[vernal holly]

Yeah it’s getting high in frags. Usually im short on sol erdas but now that i attempted page2 i am behind in frags for the level up for origin

[half jacinth]

You’re joking. 185 is insane

I guess being short on frags is better than being short on sol erda bc you can at least buy frags

[vernal holly]

One day they’ll be 1m ea frag like nodes 😂

[half jacinth]

Yea dude and I’m gonna get cancer thinking about how I was buying them at 50-150m

[cerulean roost]

can someone share phantom hyper for bossing

[prime spear]

See pinned messages

[north plinth]

Can anyone share auto battle wheel please?

[bold bolt]

Just use mille, tempest, rose

If you post 200 then add ace in the hole, phantom mark, rift, and will skill (thanks Hermm)

If you post 250 then add origin.

[stray trail]

Will skill too^

[ionic bone]

Wot

Use show down or chain lightning

[graceful nexus]

Can anyone share lvl 200 bossing wheel with presets pls

[north plinth]

You don't have mille for AB?

[buoyant portal]

Mille is a bossing skill not mobbing

[north plinth]

The pinned items are 2-3 years old, they still valid?

[ionic bone]

I do not use mille for AB no. I use chain lightning

[north plinth]

Mind sharing your AB?

[kindred geode]

Yes mille ain’t good for AB so showdown and chain lighting but I prefer showdown

[buoyant portal]

Showdown looks cooler

[little lagoon]

I use showdown too. Feel that the kill per hour is slightly higher with showdown

[ionic bone]

I avg 13.2k/hr in 250 field.

[graceful nexus]

Still after this if anyone can help ty

[vernal holly]

whoa which map are you on

[vernal holly]

This is just how i am comfortable playing. You may or may not find it the same as me

[graceful nexus]

thank you 🙂

[hard phoenix]

what is that blue skill in present 1 slot 3?

[kindred geode]

1 tap baby!

[vernal holly]

Sia’s decent skill

[prime spear]

Decent Alchiba

[minor maple]

Insane

[radiant lynx]

Gratsss bro

[kindred geode]

Thank you!

[carmine fox]

Guys need ur help in Hyper Passive skills

Tempest 20% Final Dmg or the Luck with extra Hp%?

[prime spear]

#1059994691585716254 message

[carmine fox]

Thanks buddy

[teal river]

Any phanton (meso farming alt) setups/guides?

[buoyant portal]

Think it’s just use chain lightning, mpets, and go AF400 probably

[little lagoon]

Mpets for farming alts seems like quite a heavy investment? Not sure if anyone knows the ROI

Is it worth considering 🤔

[scenic bough]

Hi guys I feel like I have trouble capping vs other classes with similar gear. Is there anything that you guys optimize skills wise to help cap? I use cross surge /cross bones and dark thirst already

[gritty vector]

What’s your Pa and MDC?

[scenic bough]

These are unbuffed stats- just with skills from pets. Have difficulty capping in like vhilla will sometimes

[gritty vector]

I’d imagine you need more PA. 64 is kinda low now days.

[scenic bough]

Hmm okay

My cane is N48

Keep failing abso

[gritty vector]

Yah you will gain a good boost when it hits

[wide isle]

Cleared

[carmine fox]

Guys what's the worth of this Cane if I sell it?

[ionic bone]

Tbh since it’s not exalted you could try selling for 2b-3b it’s also not tradable or a leveled emblem. Only thing going for it is the 2L potential and the emblem BiS. Other than that it could be considered emblem fodder

[carmine fox]

I see thanks buddy

[arctic cave]

Curious: Do you guys died often while farming in AF map? I notice it died quite easily

[ionic bone]

Negative

[rough plume]

Not main but alts that were farming the same AF maps without problem and same equipment can't survive the same map from yesterday onwards.

[arctic cave]

Yeah, somehow i notice some changes out of the blue

[stray trail]

I’m at 71k now and my friend with 15mil mdc less than me was dogging me in DPS in vhilla upping your PA and FD will definitely get you to where you need to be

[ionic bone]

FD% will be huge. esp on your weapon

[scenic bough]

Got my abso weapon already and I do see the damage boost. Thanks guys!

Kinda hard to push PA much without rerolling flames that already have def ignore..

[gritty vector]

Abso 50 cane, arcane symbol, sacred symbol, lv40+ Mpets, phys atk potential on Overall and boots.

I would imagine at this point you’re in the 70kpa range?

For point of reference, with maxed arcane symbol, lv7 sacred symbol, lv41/40/35 mpets, and lv48 abso weapon, my PA was 77k on my shadower.

[scenic bough]

I’m at 73k now. I think the main gap is don’t really have much patk pots. they’re mix of HP and patk. And my arcane symbols are mostly lvl 17 and no mpet

[gritty vector]

I’d shoot for at least 2 lines of PA on Overall and boots. That would bring you up 1k or more. Mpets are a huge necessity, not just for looting but also stats such as HP and PA.

[gritty vector]

My mpets give me an extra 1.3kpa and 4.9khp

[scenic bough]

Gotcha. I’ve got one line only per item now haha. Last time used to roll hp% on everything first

[eternal shard]

What’s the best way to get mpets? Roll or buy from TS?

And any tips for surviving Azazela p2?? I’m getting 1 hit KO. HP 330k

[deft talon]

If you have debuff icon on your head, you need to get hit by the hands which would do like 3k dmg. otherwise, avoid getting hit.

[ionic bone]

I’d just buy them imo

Rng is annoying. definitely worth the money with buying. Sooner you invest the sooner it pays its self off

[mossy pilot]

Anyone know the reason why my player keep dying on ab? Any solution?

[radiant lynx]

Same thing was happening to me before now its fixed idk how tbh

[stray trail]

What weapon are you using?

And or what you have pets hp set to

[mossy pilot]

Lvl 60 abso
M pets lvl 50
The biggest red hp on 70%

[stray trail]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

How are you dying fr then lmao

Sometimes i would take off one pet and forget to put it on

[stray trail]

@mossy pilot so could possibly be that maybe cause ik I’ve been victim to it

[mossy pilot]

Friend told happens to him also, evan

That my farm gear

[vernal holly]

Thats weird. What’s your HP?
Do you use magic guard for 1st job? Probably don’t need it but it helps surviving. You can also use pathfinders 3rd job for damage reduction

[gritty vector]

Yah that’s weird. I’ve never once died farming on my phantom.

[viral drift]

@mossy pilot try using monkey magic and more self buffs it's usually cause your not hitting hard enough

[sharp timber]

any v matrix/build info?

[viral drift]

Max everything

[sharp timber]

saw the pinned one, thanks

[bronze nova]

Hi just a quick question. Anyone else struggle to hit cap on mille

[torpid depot]

I can't cap on any of my abilities with these gears/stats 😭 any advice for me too 4500 legion

also running this

[ionic bone]

Unfortunately without our hexe boost on it the damage just isn’t there. Especially since we don’t have a BA hyper passive on it either. Even with optimal stolen skills for FD% we won’t reach it until that drops. It’s frustrating to say the least

[ionic bone]

Take out sharp eyes because we run decent SE. then add crossbones from pirate 4th job for phy dmg. Your boss attack looks low as well. For hyper the dark thirst is your best bet for more cap potential. What does your hyper stats look like? Full buff i have a hard time seeing with your node levels you not hitting cap with that set up

Also what does your setup /burst cycle look like? Are you saving all your buffs for your rotation? How is your DS4 timing as well?

You also have more potential from leveling your nodes that give FD% as well. Like emp blessing/last resort/ freuds wisdom.

Hope this helps

[torpid depot]

i’m saving my buffs but my rotation is v2, v1, v3 v4, tempest mille

i’m not sure about ds4 timing tho

these are my hypers thanks for the help

[gritty vector]

You should have party exp on a separate page. Not the same as your bossing page

[ionic bone]

^

[ionic bone]

Can you send a SS of your battle analysis for the hardest boss you currently are doing right now?

[torpid depot]

good to know

so if i get this my hyper stats reset and i don’t get meso back?

[torpid depot]

this is my ndam but i’m still practicing for hdam

[ionic bone]

@torpid depot So you are currently hitting cap. Your DS4 timing with your high line count window like v1/v3/v4 helps a lot too. Getting more IED will shrink that defense ignore window raising your cap a little more. Don’t stress where you are right now. Just keep getting those upgrades/doing necro attempts. Slightly work on your burst rotation with DS4 and you are golden

[torpid depot]

oh okay great i was worried i wasn’t

out of curiosity though how do u know i’m hitting cap? i thought it was 45m

[ionic bone]

So bosses have various Defense ignore thresholds that you need to do damage. That’s why your DS4 window for your high dmg skills are important. If you look at your battle analysis you will see a lot of the skills have the same number. Others are slightly higher probability based off of ds4 timing which gives you an addition 20% ied.

[torpid depot]

ohhh oky makes sense thank you

[pliant merlin]

ab skill wheel pre 200? and hyper passives please?

[sharp timber]

#1059994691585716254 message

drop all the stuff you cant access

[pliant merlin]

ty and what hyper stats to focus on?

[sharp timber]

#1059994691585716254 message

[sharp timber]

check pins

lot of good info there

[earnest lodge]

My hyperstats i max fd and additional skill dmg

The next is what? Crit dmg or phy dmg

[ionic bone]

Phy dmg

[earnest lodge]

Thanks fam

[bold bolt]

Is there a workaround when switching from Dark Thirst to Sancro so I don’t have to wait for Dark Thirst cooldown to unequip?

[broken surge]

Yes I agree it is impossible to cap mille rn

[broken surge]

Enter a practice boss to reset cd, change skill, then leave

[vernal holly]

^ that or also fog training ground @bold bolt

[bold bolt]

Thank you✌️

[bronze nova]

Best skills for steal when bossing?

[tacit summit]

I think everyone uses dark sight, cross surge, crossbones, and dark thirst for dps setups.

Sancro, the revive skills, and time leap if you or your team want/need any of it.

I’m also a noob so maybe wait for someone else to confirm.

[bronze nova]

I am newly a phantom main so any tips/advice would be great

[sharp timber]

someone mentioned poison dart from nl hyper has significantly better dps vs dark thirst which in my experience seems to be true so far

can consider between the two, although dark thirst is pretty useful for farming to reduce pot burn

[ionic bone]

Vhilla BA soul better than mag emp FD soul?

[vernal holly]

carry me

[sharp timber]

is the arrow thing on imm3 really worth taking over something like the pirate dmg buff?

we cant get the cd effect so no double stacking of summons

or is there some other reason to get it isntead of 10% fd

[vernal holly]

no, arrow just for farming

[sharp timber]

isnt it single target? still good for farming?

maybe i just dont pay enough attention

[vernal holly]

i think it helps, with solo farming being meta now it is useful to get a few kills while your character moves around in other areas of the map

[sharp timber]

i see ok makes sense

[little lagoon]

Is the difference big from your experience?

Currently have dark thirst and sancro stolen as default. Need extra work to swap it between farming and bossing if that's the case haha

[sharp timber]

my base isnt high enogu hto tell

im at around 420k cp but even there its quite notcieable

[little lagoon]

Hmm I see! I'll have a try then haha. Sorry for trying to take a short cut 😂

[sharp timber]

you knwo what llemme go run a quikc fog test

im curious now too

[sharp timber]

on a new test they seem to be quite similar

i think what it is is that the star has a 30% chance of doing some big dot

so maybe on average the star is slightly better? but i dont see a huge gap now that im retesting it

jesus ok i did find something in my testing

bullseye shot is actually really good for anyone who doesnt have necro/maxed out crit rate yet

that 15% cr bumped my damage by a lot

[vernal holly]

From my experience the difference is not that big i base it off culvert maybe 3-7k points in score

[ionic bone]

Copy OP, vids go hard. Def check them out on YouTube if you are starting new bosses if you are visual person

[bronze nova]

Send the link. Im a weak phantom

[tacit summit]

This is what I’ve been doing too! 🙌🏼

[vernal holly]

This dude undercover #1 player in the game

[ionic bone]

Also true

[ionic bone]

I do it to compare play styles incase i miss something

[lunar oak]

what are the best time leap targets for a phantom during bossing, scramble, etc?

[ionic bone]

Tbh just revives

[broken surge]

^ and I like bringing single res instead since TL cooldown is so long now

[lunar oak]

ooooo so just single res sounds strong

wonder if it would be good with lynn party iframes? I guess that’s super situational

Anyone know which sp map would be best for frags without mpets? My bishop does well in 30 but I have vac pets

[split yew]

Clear BM full support instend bishop cuz we dont have any strong bish in eu server

[sharp timber]

goat LMAO

[bold bolt]

"full support" but 2nd in dps

https://tenor.com/view/whale-sighting-happily-surprising-scene-gif-4942416964390988474

[ionic bone]

This is an erel class SS

[split yew]

Im the last one lol Prø

He only take the screen shot haha

[bold bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/trolls-band-together-trolls-3-vacay-island-branch-gif-4435410412105403362

[arctic cave]

Just curious, is it common to have multiple Phantom characters as alt for mesos farming?

[ionic bone]

No clue, i don’t really run meso farms