The "divisional term" system is not, and has not, been fit for purpose - a potential solution

[fluid garden]

yeah, a **good **leader but nothing is stopping with this system from someone who is mediocre at their job staying forever

[ornate lichen]

theres more pov to it

anyway bye chat

i go school

[storm summit]

mfw the early vote of removal

[fluid garden]

we all want to picture a perfect world where you have a UOC who does everything hes expected to, but thats just not the case

[storm summit]

or an AO making them do their job proprly

[feral palm]

also this

[storm summit]

and if they dont

a removal

😱

[fluid garden]

"you dont really need to do anything as UOC besides vote on stuff that your directorate brings forth and make sure everything is not going to shit (at least in ard, again cannot comment on AIA)"

[fluid garden]

"making a poll for everyone sounds great and all but its really dificult to gauge how your UOC is performing as a lower rank, is it just that the rest of the leadership is making great changes for the division and the UOC is on the sidelines or is it the UOC themself making changes for the benefit of the division?"

[storm summit]

then have

✨transparency ✨

and make announcements

[feral palm]

when they say removal, the uoc doesn't just need to be a marshal to get removed. if they're bad even slightly and the division agrees, or the ao sees the concerns (as seen in the wonderful flowchart) uos can ALSO bring their concerns directly to it for the ao to investigate. this is a failsafe plan that would help in cases of "it's not bad enough for a marshal incident but they're not great either"

[fluid garden]

"me personally, i'm sending shouts nearly biweekly for misc. things, I release monthly shouts pinging everyone, and i try my hardest to engage with the community as much as i can and yet i still encounter plenty of people who just don't really know what i do and what i do to contribute to the division and for some, even who i am"

[storm summit]

sounds like a problem of IGNORANCE then marshee!

[feral palm]

that's why i addressed transparency in my yappathon, this is something that is required regardless of if this goes through or not. all divisions need transparency from hr to lr

[fluid garden]

"OCE overall at least from my perspective, was a pretty okay UOC but there were quite a bit of things that they did wrong that overall just, wasnt that great for the division. A LOT of enforcement issues arised during her leadership and just, no one really seemed to notice it and just kept going on and it just became the norm. But because OCE never really did anything bad and the division was still "stable" overall, with this system i cant really picture the large majority of ARD being "yeah lets remove them!" with the only reason the division was still running good, was because of the rest of ARD leadership."

[feral palm]

copy pasting the same shit i've already read won't change my mind or refute my points

[karmic rose]

oce my goat

[fluid garden]

people RARELY actually address things unless its cutclear right in their face

[feral palm]

maybe that's an issue in ard then 🤷 might wanna look at your own ao for that one

[fluid garden]

yeah i feel we're just going over the same points again which both of us already discussed to the extent we can

[fluid garden]

from what i see its how it is as well in other divisions

[karmic rose]

why not just make the ao of a division hold a vote as to wether extend the current uoc term or not to extend

[feral palm]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-man-homem-parede-cara-parede-homem-falando-parede-cara-falando-parede-gif-10572926947302201205

[fluid garden]

yeah thats a big part of this but i addressed why it isnt exactly the most ideal solution

[fluid garden]

yeah pretty much lmao

[karmic rose]

if people want someone whos doing their job right im pretty sure they wouldnt vote no

[fluid garden]

we've both made up our minds and without change in how AEGIS currently operates, none of us are going to change our minds

[feral palm]

clearly mostly everyone else gets it though

[fluid garden]

"making a poll for everyone sounds great and all but its really dificult to gauge how your UOC is performing as a lower rank, is it just that the rest of the leadership is making great changes for the division and the UOC is on the sidelines or is it the UOC themself making changes for the benefit of the division?"

[fluid garden]

to be fair

for the first like 48 hours there was no deny reaction

until i added it

[karmic rose]

me when a changelog can be made

[fluid garden]

and past that point...most people already are done with this thread

[feral palm]

48 hours?? dawg this post ain't even 24 hours old

LMAO

[fluid garden]

oh wait no im thinking of another thread

😭

no i didnt add a deny reaction till like 12 pm today

[wild bough]

I know the ARD ain’t the one talking…

[fluid garden]

?

[wild bough]

I left ARD for a reason, and in part some of what is being discussed was a part of that.

Either way

[storm summit]

48 hours??

[fluid garden]

i dont think that really has to do with anything

[wild bough]

If ur gonna die on that hill so be it but in the wider scheme of things

This is better

[fluid garden]

yeah i was thinking of a diffent thread

[storm summit]

right

[wild bough]

With a bit more work

It’s better

Either way.
No one can defend their division and how this is working aside from PKSF.

[feral palm]

exactly, i'm sure a lot of marshee's concerns come from ard itself (as they keep referencing oce a whole lot), but generally speaking, this change would benefit all divisions. if ard have issues with their ao, that is their own problem and that ao should be looked into. other divisions should never be punished for that, especially uocs that are great at their jobs

[fluid garden]

isnt that kind of the point though, how this system has worked in your personal experience

[wild bough]

Almost every division is having issues with OW+, whether it’s activity or mismanagement, lack of communication with it’s LR, lack of updates to things like quota completion, etc.

[karmic rose]

🍿

[fluid garden]

i personally think my AO is doing fine, im addressing from what ive seen from other AOs

[wild bough]

The whole point of this suggestion is a debate on how to change it because it clearly ain’t working.

[fluid garden]

but yes its a potential, id like to see what zaw says on behalf of sthd

[feral palm]

these polls, if widespread to uo+, would be SUPER beneficial for transparency, managing leadership, and keeping things fresh in a way that doesn't punish those who do not need to be punished

[fluid garden]

maybe its just that most of my experience comes only from ARD, but it doesn't really seem to be working all that bad

with AIA yeah i understand how detrimental to your division it would be with walac but for other divisons i just, dont really see it

[feral palm]

if you understand aia's situation, why not give equal opportunities to other divisions?

[wild bough]

Mhm.

[feral palm]

the whole reason walac gained a term in the first place is for equal treatment, but in the end, that's going to screw us all over

[fluid garden]

because aia is an extremely specific case thats only to you guys...?

[wild bough]

It’s kinda selfish shooting smthn down just because ur division is running based on bare minimum tolerance.

[fluid garden]

walac geninuely does so much for your division and goes so up and beyond, but with literally every other division its not like that

[wild bough]

When at least two other divisions are having MAJOR issues.

[fluid garden]

and ive never seen it been like that

[feral palm]

^ at the end of the day, that's your division's issue that needs to be rectified

[feral palm]

i've seen several uocs that are phenomenal at their jobs

and several bad ones

[karmic rose]

why is it only ard and aia arguing in here

[feral palm]

it's a mix like any group

[fluid garden]

which divisions...? 😭

[karmic rose]

wheres my slice of divless

🍿

[fluid garden]

pksf was also here awhile ago, they were siding with me

and zaw will put in his two cents as well on behalf of sthd

[karmic rose]

give me a tldr of your opinion

im too lazy to read the text walls

[wild bough]

SC and AIA smh.

[feral palm]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[fluid garden]

i feel like with SC its just an entire leadership problem from what i saw, not an issue with the UOC in specific

[wild bough]

Idk gang. This is def some brick wall type shi.

[fluid garden]

and with AIA yeah i see that

[cosmic zinc]

purge

[wild bough]

I’m talking about ow+ in general too haha.

[karmic rose]

me when sc leadership sleep for 10 years

[fluid garden]

which is also why me and i dont think anyone else had issues with walac at first being exempted from this rule

[feral palm]

personally if i got uo or even dc in aia and walac remained as uoc for another 3 years, i wouldn't be whining about not getting a promotion or leadership getting stale as long as he's still doing his job well

[fluid garden]

besides apparently toml

[feral palm]

i don't see why others care that much

[fluid garden]

its not that im whining about a promotion, its mainly that i think just sometimes a new set of ideas to bring forth to the table as a UOC is a good thing and can end up benefiting the division even more

and with this system, you stop that from happening

[storm summit]

then fucking present them as a DC

whats preventing you from spreading those "new set of ideas" as DC

why do you need to be UOC

[karmic rose]

because rank progression

[cosmic zinc]

do you want the UOC or a DC running the division gang?

[storm summit]

almost like its a team huh?

[fluid garden]

then why did no DC who eventually become UOC while they were DC?

[storm summit]

what are you saying

[cosmic zinc]

it's not a team when your assistant does most of your job

[fluid garden]

idek its 1 am im tired

😭

[feral palm]

^ a good set of leadership discusses, contributes fairly, and makes decisions as team. if you have a dictator for a leader that doesn't listen to any of you, it circles back to the point of bring this to the ao and get it handled with the polls. there's quite literally a special section for uo+ to meet and address concerns as well for internal issues

[ornate lichen]

Uoc is peak retirement

do shit every now and then if any

[storm summit]

then they SHOULDNT BE!!!

and the UOC SHOULD BE DOING THINGS!!

as WELL AS THE DCS!!!!

im positive running a division has no shortage of work

[potent socket]

hi guys!

[fluid garden]

ill come back to this when im not half asleep with a fried brain

[storm summit]

hi leon

[feral palm]

if you see it like this, never get uoc

[potent socket]

Have a good day or not marshee

[fluid garden]

but i think we both covered our entire arguments

[delicate igloo]

That's not necessarily true

[fluid garden]

no im going to bed lmao

its 1 am

[ornate lichen]

for some ye

[potent socket]

You can admit that UOC’s have a very small amount of things to do though correct? Compared to UOC and DC’s

[ornate lichen]

they do

[cosmic zinc]

it's not that there is a shortage of work it's that it's easy to get lazy when there is nothing more to aim for

like I said before and I think marshes keeps trying to hammer this point home: just because an UOC is doing "okay" doesn't mean they're doing great, and another candidate can provide a fresh mindset as a leader, in general I'm okay with this as long as you don't stay in power unless you truly are doing amazing

[delicate igloo]

A lot of leaderships duties is done behind the scenes and isn't seen by the public eye, which is why so many things need to be considered when addressing leadership concerns

[delicate igloo]

No, not at all

I think the contents of the duties is vastly different

[cosmic zinc]

I feel like that can be hard to judge if you aren't aware of what other candidates could do without actually being in power

[storm summit]

then maybe.. ASK THEM!!!

😱

[cosmic zinc]

fym ask them

[ornate lichen]

Yeah but it’s like politics

you can say whatever you want

[storm summit]

and if they dont uphold that?

remove them!!!

[ornate lichen]

Doesn’t mean you’ll actually do it

[cosmic zinc]

you have to see somebody put in effort not ask them to sugarcoat being able to carry the division

[delicate igloo]

Well isn't this then up to the perspective of both the AO and the division as a whole? If the vote is indiciative of wanting a change and there is someone competent enough to step in then isn't having a vote to reflect this to the AO for them to make a decision a good idea?

Rather than just waiting for a term to end

[cosmic zinc]

it's just if someone is doing "ok" you can't really do anything about it, from what you know they're doing fine while another candidate could offer much more if they had the chance

[ornate lichen]

we’re going in circles we already talked about this stuff

[storm summit]

if they're doing "ok" as you have put it they can be removed

[delicate igloo]

Okay so are you arguing with the term system or against it

[ornate lichen]

he’s against

I reckon

Wait

[cosmic zinc]

I'm saying if you're gonna let someone rule a spot for a long time they better be fucking amazing or don't do it at all

[ornate lichen]

I can’t resd

[cosmic zinc]

I don't trust AOs to gauge that properly and I feel like it's easy to accept mediocre leaders just because they haven't done anything wrong

[feral palm]

yall are acting like divisions are dictatorships 😭 if your uoc is that much of a dictator and won't hear new ideas, that's plenty grounds for an evaluation and removal

it doesn't take a marshal incident to get them removed

[ornate lichen]

all theoretically correct but in practice harder

which is part of the problem

[cosmic zinc]

you're missing the point

[feral palm]

if your ao fails to see the issue, you deal with the ao

[cosmic zinc]

you're acting like everyone will somehow know another candidate has more to offer

they don't

[delicate igloo]

The issue is that not everyone can be amazing and it can as simple as there is nobody currently who can fill that expectation, lets say there is a spot that opens up and no subsequent deputy is able to live up to that expectation, okay, they can be re-evaluated and if it is good enough then it is good enough. Not everyone can be excellent
If the AO is not competent enough to gauge the performance of the division, then that's an issue with the AOs and a whole other side to the story

[feral palm]

(or rather, ic or chairman)

[ornate lichen]

here’s how it goes

Hey you’re getting demoted
Why?
idk u didn’t do much you were ok

[feral palm]

that's where the uo+ meeting comes in! address your concerns with working as a team with this mediocre uoc there

[delicate igloo]

With this system it means someone mediocre isn't always in power for sure, and it gives the opportunity for other people to step in, not just letting them live out their term if they aren't doing well enough
If they are doing well enough, then what is the problem

[feral palm]

i said if the uoc is a dictator and won't take new ideas

[ornate lichen]

you’re not gonna complain about UOC when the uoc is in the meeting

[delicate igloo]

^^

[feral palm]

if they're doing fine and listen to their staff why would you remove them lmao

just because someone "could be better" doesn't mean you have to punish the current uoc

[cosmic zinc]

was abt to say that

[ornate lichen]

because you just said if they’re doing ok just remove them

Nvm solar did

[feral palm]

who said the uoc will be there

i'm quoting the flow chart bruh

[ornate lichen]

for ard the meetings are usually hosted by uoc

at least I think

[cosmic zinc]

doesn't the flow chart say the AO and UOC will be there

[feral palm]

i said if they're a dictator yes, not if they're doing okay and listening to input from uos/dcs

[cosmic zinc]

in brackets

[feral palm]

if it does i missed that, regardless, this whole thread is a debate and that can be changed, just suggest it

[karmic rose]

isnt your division a dictatorship

[feral palm]

are you in aia?

[cosmic zinc]

I'm saying a fresh mindset can sometimes help a division and just letting ok people rule for too long isn't something I like

I'm saying that unless somebody is doing amazing they shouldn't be in position for longer than what the current term system offers

that's the main point I'm trying to say

[storm summit]

then present that fresh mindset

you dont need to be a UOC to present new ideas

[cosmic zinc]

gang

[karmic rose]

whats that got to do with walac being uoc for like 4 years

[cosmic zinc]

holy shit

[ornate lichen]

all it takes is uoc not liking it and youre idea is in the trash

[storm summit]

then ask the AO their opinion

[feral palm]

nothing is stopping yall from contributing as leadership under the uoc. the fact you feel the need to gatekeep ideas until you get a promotion is just insane behavior and you should never get that promotion because of it

[karmic rose]

if ur a trialing and have a new idea it gets swept away

same with every other rank below uo

[storm summit]

nop

[feral palm]

have yall never.. mediated these things with your aos???

[ornate lichen]

now this is probably just ard but our ao from what I’ve seen no disrespect just sides with the higher rank

[storm summit]

do you guys not talk with ur AO

[ornate lichen]

may be just me

[storm summit]

lazor and i talk like all the fucking time

about things

[ornate lichen]

Or just so happened to be like that

maybe he doesn’t and it just happened to side with the higher rank

[feral palm]

then once again that's an ard issue and needs to be addressed. other divisions should not be punished because yall have a poor ao

[ornate lichen]

youre calling a change of leadership punishment

[feral palm]

literally same, he's a great mediator when leadership disagree for whatever reason

[storm summit]

if its negatively affecting the division yeah

kinda is

[feral palm]

yeah. a forceful removal IS punishment

[ornate lichen]

Who said it would negatively affect the division

[cosmic zinc]

what if chairman posted this as bait to get server engagement

feedback never got so much activity

just a theory

[ornate lichen]

It’s a year term that’s all

[feral palm]

^

[ornate lichen]

they’re gonna get removed to either dc or uo

which I disagree with but hey

[feral palm]

i'm convinced yall nay sayers atp are ragebaiting, i will not be further interacting as this discussion is becoming unproductive. at least marshee was willing to hear shit out lol

[storm summit]

yeah im going back to my netflix show instead of giving myself a headache

[karmic rose]

why r we letting the man children talk again

[feral palm]

amen to that brother

[karmic rose]

🍿

[potent socket]

What’s the show

I can’t find anything good

[karmic rose]

watch the mist

[potent socket]

Hmmm

Series?

[karmic rose]

yea

[potent socket]

Awh hell nah

[storm summit]

blacklist

so fire

[potent socket]

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD IH MY GOD

DONT FUCKING GRT ME STARTED

THAT SERIES IS THE BEST YHING EVER MADE

[karmic rose]

blacklist is buns

[potent socket]

IT IS BEAUTFIO

NOTHIG HAS EVER COME CLOSE TO ITS PERFECTION

SHUT THE FUCK UO DRSHAQ

don’t you ever disrespect my beautiful show blacklist

Raymond is the goat

[karmic rose]

watch yo tone

[potent socket]

no.

[karmic rose]

do u remember what we did yesterday

[potent socket]

sorry sir

[sinful pollen]

No

Not at all

[timber flower]

The current SC leadership is a whole new breed.

I am not going to make any comments.

[sinful pollen]

unless u r a completely new person, as the rest ppl in the division think, who's supposed to have zero interest in the division and its improvement

[timber flower]

Basically those who know can speak up about it.

[sinful pollen]

Like actively proposing ideas as an absolutely new person there must be weird

So yeah u may be ignored in that case

[sinful pollen]

It seems like each division here is completely different from other in terms of leadership's mindset and in management preferences / principles/ the code (idk how to call that better)

If u wanna make that debate efficient, we should be talking about a specified division (at least thinking that all divisions have similar management problems isn't right thing)

[sinful pollen]

Some ideas (and such ideas must be really large-scaled) can go beyond division's jurisdiction. It's really hard implement other half of them in external environment (like it's not just about a single division, it can include / affect other divisions or all of em), considering u tryna add something new into a machine that's been working for years and never faced major issues

And generally new ideas can require absolutely new methods of its implementation, or may touch aspects that's never been affected before

[sinful pollen]

And so if u tryna change / modify something that was never touched before, u can never predict the success rate and so eventually most of ur new ideas remain either ignored or delayed for a really while until everyone forgets about it

[timber flower]

A system where each thing relies on the others. And if something’s changed or removed then it might affect other things. Similar to physics if you get what I mean.

[sage bane]

-# raises hand

[lilac lance]

"if rotation stops or takes way too long, (eg 1 year and 6 months plus), the said divisional and overwatches will basically be rank locked, the living proof is basically aa staff, repeat the same shit, no promotion, gets boring over time since the mindset is to reach the highest rank possible within a division (uoc), i agree with everything, stability > rotation, but you cant expect division to be stable after quite the amount of time, especially if uoc is good as fuck, which basically rank locks the dc and uo's for an idenfinite amount of time, eventually rank locking jow's too, which usually would mean no actual flow throughout division after the trialing rank"
~ senor house

my main concern

you have to take in account that this game play some 14 year olds who are probably already ow or jow in a division (yes sthd im talking about you) which do not plan on waiting 2 years to move an inch of the rank system

[sage bane]

legit

i joined ard in december 2022, im coming up on 3 years in the division

and likely another 6 months to a year before i can compete for uoc with marshee and pew

[lilac lance]

if you were a 13 year old when you joined, and now youd be 16, i guarantee you wouldnt want to wait 2+ years to move up an inch of rank system

what keeps people in divisions is the rank flow

no rank flow = repetitive = depression (aa staff example) = people discharging

[sage bane]

(theres a reason people hate the officer and above promotion system)

[lilac lance]

mainly because of this

[lilac lance]

yes because you can be stuck at least 2 months to 2 years as vet officer

[sage bane]

2 months?

[lilac lance]

promo cd

[sage bane]

what kind of neverland fantasy-

[lilac lance]

but have to take in account the least time possible to get promoted and highest

[sage bane]

if youre getting promoted from VO to UC in 2 months that sounds vaguely close to nepotism

[lilac lance]

obviously no one will get promoted in 2 months nowadays

[sage bane]

its sorta like saying that its possible to get promoted from administered specialist to officer in like a month

[lilac lance]

yes

basically like when you become eligible

then indefinite amount of time

[sage bane]

meanwhile the timeframe to actually be promoted is at least a year

[lilac lance]

assuming you have no warns and are active

[sage bane]

go through that again with uc and youve got ucs who have put in 2 years at minimum

go through at least another year to get a shot at UM (likely closer to 2) and thats at least 3 years invested for even a shot at toml

[lilac lance]

exactly

most people dont even want toml now, uc is like the end goal

[sage bane]

what you end up with is tomls who have been in the group for fucking forever

[lilac lance]

no rank flow

[timber flower]

SC is a prime example.

[sage bane]

which isnt a bad thing but its also that theyve been stagnated so long that they burn out sometimes once they get to toml

ever notice matx's activity has gone up faster than the roller coaster at six flags once he got um

[lilac lance]

but officer+ is mostly 16-17+ year olds so you can expect them to wait, but for divisions where 14yr olds are jow and ow, you cant expect that to be stable

[lilac lance]

wonder why lmao

[sage bane]

and its not just matx either

[lilac lance]

no idea whats happening in sc rn

[sage bane]

everyone who gets um seems to have a sudden surge of activity

[lilac lance]

random motivation trust

[sage bane]

from actually being reinvested in the group by being given the opportunity to advance

[timber flower]

He was taking a few hours to respond to DMs. Now it's a few minutes brochacho.

[timber flower]

For example in SC you have to be a JOW for 1 year if you want a shot at UO.

[sage bane]

yall its almost as if giving everyone the opportunity to move up in the group and thus also in their divisions is a good idea and keeps things moving

crazy talk i know

[lilac lance]

and uo's been same for the last 3 years

;joy:

[sage bane]

have you seen the dc's

[lilac lance]

fuck emojis

[lilac lance]

i have

[timber flower]

Truck has been a UO for a few years now.

[lilac lance]

if theyre still the same

[sage bane]

of course its sorta hard to see the dscs when theyre barely around

[lilac lance]

nah dude rtv speaks once a blue moon

[timber flower]

Didn't change at all.

[sage bane]

bro i forgot one of them was an officer until a hot minute before he got tossed for inactivity

[timber flower]

Rtv needs to be purged.

[sage bane]

or wait did he even get tossed

[lilac lance]

he did

[sage bane]

yeah

[timber flower]

Man didn't contribute at all to SC for months.

[sage bane]

i saw like one dsc

[lilac lance]

nah vanny is a good dsc but he doesnt speak publicly

hes good internally

[sage bane]

otherwise finding an sc dsc is similar to trying to find a four leaf clover

[timber flower]

I can confirm.

[lilac lance]

and whos the sc ao

[timber flower]

Kp.

Temp SC AO.

[lilac lance]

type a formal message to him raising your concerns

[timber flower]

There’s an issue regarding this which I am afraid I can't say publicly.

[lilac lance]

right so whats that now lmao

[dapper horizon]

if he doesnt interact with you that doesnt mean hes not interacting with HR

his job is interacting and helping hr, primarily leadership hr

.

oh rtv

yea talk to coolguy

[sinful pollen]

If division runs perfectly with an excellent UOC for a very long time, and everything there runs so much good that all DCs UOs and JOWs are being rank locked almost permanently - its the first ring, which means div overwatch+ rank permissions and 'authority' (psychologically) should be expanded. If UOC continues performing his duties perfectly for 2-3+ years - its time to consider changing the div leadership rank structure and even try full shared divisional management. But expanding the management structure and its local hierarchy requires both more aspects to be managed, and more of regular people in the division

If division doesn't grow and demand for more people in divisional overwatch doesn't increase, weill unfortunately all ts becomes a game of patience. In this case u'll either have to accept that you can't reach higher ranks, or u just discharge and that's it. Ranklocking here is simply an indirect method of reduction-in-force shit in our context. But unlike irl, ts is not initiated by anyone, but simply emerges as a result of the division's lack of growth. And the whole problem is not even in the division.

The division's growth problem is an external issue which has only 1 solution - we have to prepare the entire aegis military machine to work for a way bigger community (basically to get rid of "1-ingame-server" rule and make aegis perform efficiently on few ingame servers). And so in order to make that machine work for a way more people than we have rn, we should seek and review all of aspects like AA, the promotion system, chain-of-command, moderative and administrative stuff, all the guidelines, other aegis-related structures and so on. But the most important thing is the Chairman's personal policy (his personal opinion) regarding that informal rule removal.

tldr - rank locking issue lies on the division's overall growth; any division's growth depends on chairman and his expectations from dod as a game with huge community

[spring lava]

Like bro

Delicious why do u put this much effort into a dead game

[lilac lance]

more game servers wont work

especially with dod playercount

[karmic rose]

dod players: 50

[sinful pollen]

then ranklocking is unavoidable 🥀

[sinful pollen]

i don't think i put effort at all

[lilac lance]

:shrug:

[dapper horizon]

dod is designed to be played in 1 server

thats why we have 30-60 people in a division and not 1k+

[fossil bay]

if we remove the term system

then can we make it so that all of leadership has their activity actually measured

and

actioned if in inactive levels

i know there currently exists no precedence but based on the AO's review or whoever does it, they should be able to utilise some basic logic to figure out if they are inactive or not

i do think that a UOC's next term should be decided still by the AO, however, should be heavily influenced by a vote from all Trialings to Junior Overwatches, and then a separate one for Unit overwatches and DCs.

In the case the UOC has reached a 2 year term, then I do think a review of the DCs should begin in their viability of being a replacement to the UOCs

This can be in the form of anonymous forms (either 1 big one or 1,2, or 3 separate forms) to all of the division which gives anonymous feedback about the current running DCs on their performance from a Operative/Agent/Researcher (all Trialings to just under JOW) and Overwatch (JOW/UO) viewpoint which includes which UO would fit as their replacement if a bad rating is given

[lilac blade]

This exactly, the game won’t grow any bigger simply because I don’t allow it to - my advertising is expertly designed to maintain a stagnant or at least semi-stagnant level of growth.

Divisions are expected to operate between 30-60 members on average but this can obviously fluctuate heavily.

The only outliners to this are something like a streamer or YouTuber playing the game which breaks the system temporarily until the fan-fair of their video/stream wears off

Or Roblox having a extremely low ad CTR and executing all our ad slots in a short timeframe

But that’s what ICP was designed for

[narrow harness]

True although wouldn’t this really limit replacement of UOC’s making DC’s kind of just never be able to be promoted

[lilac blade]

That’s how it’s been anyways realistically. Access to the pool of ToML becomes practically stagnant once there’s around 8 members on the table and nobody can become IC so technically they’re ‘rank locked’ at ToML.

A DC of a division practically has as much power as UOC minus the executive authority to just implement their ideas autonomously, I don’t understand why anybody would NEED to be a UOC unless they just have the ego requirement to be the supreme leader of their respective division at some point in their career.

There’s many examples in AEGIS where certain ranks are just going to be practically unachievable (very long timeframes) because the group works like a semi-real corporation.

But there’s definitely no limit to the contributions an individual can give to their respective division, since UO & DC are nearly always obtainable within a 1-2 year timeframe. Which is the core administrative branch of any division that makes the changes, promotions etc

[timber flower]

Yeah I was talking about rtv.

Dont jump to conclusions since it makes you look bad.

[sinful pollen]

I agree with this opinion. But what if we wanna implement something that may be relevant to combative divisions or literally all divisions we have? Like, is there any person who's supposed to rule joint div activity? Or it's entirely up to divisions (their leadership) to decide whenever they would like to add new joint content for all divisionals?

[ornate lichen]

Nah

More like a few months

[ancient ingot]

Back in 2021 dod had 40-60 players I think some people forget that

[ornate lichen]

how is that relevant

[ancient ingot]

Just looking at my ancient ard ds

Regarding what is said above

[winged needle]

only 60?

[lilac lance]

used to go above 100 during night in gmt+2

[sonic bronze]

can't believe people unironically can't read this small message

[carmine egret]

ofc not if they don't care enough to read it

||(me)||

[sonic bronze]

ur not even in aegis bruh, I'd be concerned if u cared to read it

[mighty folio]

I like this idea very much

[tepid osprey]

deputy commissioners exist only to become uocs trust

they cant get uoc 💀

[carmine egret]

itzcrime for VA

[lilac lance]

not too far from truth

[untold vector]

I can not red

[fluid garden]

ok after having a very nice sleep and waking up fucking sick

[sage bane]

In re: your second paragraph, what would your opinions be about the idea that was raised earlier in this thread, of DCs being able to overrule the UOC if they unanimously agree that something should happen?

[fluid garden]

I've remembered, the UOC isnt forced to be removed. If they UOC wishes to, they can return to DC and become UOC again after one year

which has been confirmed by TOML

[timber flower]

Loophole.

[fluid garden]

absolutely noone is being forced to be removed from the division, and from your logic the UOC is still perfectly able to run the division the same as a DC

[fluid garden]

which toml are aware of...

I think if they didn't like it, they would fix it

and even then based of solars argument the UOC is perfectly capable to run the division the exact same as a DC (which in no way is a loophole)

honestly disappointed in myself for not remembering this but genuinely noone is being forced to leave the division once their term is up, it's a choice

[fluid garden]

and with this, I think just a modification to the current system would work instead of putting a whole new slap of paint that brings new issues

you could just...add the vote to this current system which would effectively do the same thing

[still siren]

That's really all it sounds like, good observation.

[median talon]

oce was good don’t get me wrong but we started relaxing more and more on our own guidelines and it got to the point where we had people in ard that didn’t meet our standards

i want ard to be a role model division not the division everyone associates with goofing around

[slow pecan]

youve done a good job making it a role model division

[sage bane]

i think there should be a balance between strictest possible and relaxing a bit

[median talon]

i agree with that but we went too far relaxed with oce

[dapper horizon]

i associate ard with cute

[still siren]

keep in mind to keep up with recruitment, sometimes divisions have to be a lot more relaxed just to recruit people.

[sage bane]

i should say imo its not the worst thing to be relaxed

oce took it to something of an extreme but its not inherently a bad thing to relax a bit, it is just a game

[dapper horizon]

if u have more than 2 brain cells u can join a division

[still siren]

It all depends on the times. If you guys have a lot of members, be a little more strict with recruitment. Higher standards. Fewer members, lower standards to get recruits.

[sage bane]

unfortunately they can be in short supply at times, its not exactly easy to train up competent members

[still siren]

Well yes but it all depends on really how strict a division wants to be. SC started taking the approach where if someone is just missing our requirements, we saw the value of teaching them how to be better rather than outright turning them down.

hence the academy

but we had to implement the academy and lower standards because we just couldnt get recruits the way we used to do it

Too strict, too time demanding.

You'll get waves of really competent people every now and then. Otherwise you get the people who naturally don't want to pour their everything into an application or tryout. Sucks but when you need recruits, you have to cater to them a bit.

[solid skiff]

I'm not a current divisional but i've been in multiple previously I've jusst moved on since then. I think the term system is good but not how it currently is. Most divisions take 3-4 years to get to UOC to even DC. I think the system just needs to be reformed so that it prevents rank sitting and removing any progression in the division but doesn't remove you for just being there.

[spice chasm]

Terms are good, just make it so it can be extended even further if the division thinks they did good as an UOC

if u remove terms then motivation will 📉

And the same person can just hog the position

[solid skiff]

Extending longer than 2 years is honestly too much theres already near 0 progression. Every UO+ gets to UO and doesn't do anything else until a DC spot opens and they act like they've been active the entire time

[spice chasm]

Well I really don’t think removing term limits is good so I think that would be a better solution

[spice chasm]

.

[spice chasm]

Mr fun I summon u to this chat

[vague cradle]

our solution to this problem is recognizing the Initiate Special Forces as a faction within the aegis group, so our fellow initiates can follow through with this action and become better then the pksf when it comes to special forces.

[midnight smelt]

bro keep it relevant

someone ban this guy already

actual troll

[timber flower]

🤔

[dull roost]

just stop talking atp

[narrow harness]

Keep it relevant to this please

[timber flower]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-2088247993237804628

[vague cradle]

this guy gets it

[timber flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366501362040311948/1424510383506325685/togif.gif

[cinder sundial]

Yeah it depends on the leadership

I remember when sthd changed leadership like toilet paper

[cosmic zinc]

h

[lilac lance]

need more arrows where do i look?????

[cinder sundial]

I rejoined blud

[carmine egret]

newgen?

https://tenor.com/view/biting-nails-nervous-emoji-biting-nails-emoji-meme-worried-emoji-gif-11469052239625158015

[cinder sundial]

hitting pksf in 1 month MIGHT be crazy if i actually joined in 2025 😱

[timber flower]

Brochacho this guy has the AOL, totally a newgen.

[cinder sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/khaby-lame-machine-khaby-lame-gif-12966782491766172900

[marsh vale]

brother noel

brothel noel

[tardy cipher]

Holy fucking yap

Scrolling to the top of this is like a fucking expedition bro

[tepid osprey]

pins exist

[lilac lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383764180745588776/1383850014949773402/togif.gif

[warped lantern]

lmfao

easier to just search the oldest message in this post

[spring lava]

Glad u agree with me

[toxic mountain]

unc?

[toxic mountain]

pins

[carmine egret]

👴

[tardy cipher]

Yeah no shit

[lilac lance]

need more circles, where do i look?????

[small shard]

unc

[graceful quiver]

I think about 5 more arrows would do it

[stuck sluice]

jump to top button exists

[tepid osprey]

ye that too

[vocal tangle]

@pine palm

[modest path]

reviving this

[graceful quiver]

Still think this idea is w

Terms for uocs are bad

[solid skiff]

The way they are set up currently is bad but the idea is not

Without terms there is no upward progression within a division

Walac has been UOC since marshal was exiled

almost 3 years

There are 0 AIA DCs

and like 1 new OW

[fossil bay]

of all the UOCs to keep
id keep walac

hes been performing well in UOC and has been operating many systems of aia

a replacement UOC would be difficult to find

[ancient ingot]

Replacing a aia UOC every year would only cause harm to the group

Lots of shit to move around and change

[solid skiff]

extenstions make it like 2 years

[ancient ingot]

Still

I would rather we had something like yearly of 1/2 yearly reviews where voting can undergo where every non trainee agent votes on if they believe the uoc is still deemed fit along with a AOs performance review

[graceful quiver]

There's nobody to have that forward progression right now, the only person really fit for the job rn is orgashi but he doesnt want UOC.

Besides me and Dylan both like walac

[ancient ingot]

Yes I'm fine being a 2nd dc but I don't see myself able to run the group. I'm simply too busy nowadays for that

[solid skiff]

yes but if we remove terms for everybody

there is 0 movement in the division

so people burn out and have no motivation for the group

[graceful quiver]

Did u even read the suggestion bru

We will remove a uoc if theyre not performing well

Lol

[solid skiff]

thats not what im saying

Im saying is that even though the UOC is performing well theres still 0 movement

[graceful quiver]

Not a good enough argument to justify removing someone for no reason though

[solid skiff]

its not removinbg

theye still uo

and most divisions offer less quota or no quota for retired uoc who are pushed out due to term limit

[graceful quiver]

Yes it is. We are removing a UOC because an arbitrary time has passed. We treat no other rank in aegis like that and for good reason.

[solid skiff]

we should treat toml like it

they inactive

[graceful quiver]

OK bruh

Clearly ur not interested in having an actual discussion

[ancient ingot]

Theres a bunch of motivation in aia

Its very communist in nature

[dapper horizon]

I agree with dab but still seems kind of bad to remove someone when theyre running the division fine or extra good

[ancient ingot]

More of a group of mates sharing and getting assistance from each other then a competitive rank thirsty group

[graceful quiver]

We dont remove deputies because 6 months have passed

Or whatever it is

Why is the uoc so different

Lol

[graceful quiver]

Im happy with the way aia ranks are achieved, but some of yall are rank sitters smh

Not naming names or anything

[dapper horizon]

Ban 1000 alts in 5 minutes for a promoton

[graceful quiver]

Sorry orgashi but im gonna leak the aia quota

They already have to do 1000 false bans per month

[dapper horizon]

Thats public knowledge smh

[solid skiff]

i dont trust aia

they just ban their opps

[ancient ingot]

Indeed ik the individuals.

[graceful quiver]

Oh yeah congrats on your 2000 false bans in the month of november

Clearly an overachiever

[ancient ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/explodes-you-with-my-mind-angry-stare-seal-gif-18077432731494708549

[median talon]

excuse me

[lilac blade]

Yea it's supposed to be implemented but nobody could be bothered to do it and I've been busy with 8.0

Matx made a document and everything

[fossil bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1148905210022985750/1339204629648506930/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_3.gif

[hazy scarab]

do i need to do a vote

or can i just announce it

[lilac blade]

You can just announce it since it's already been approved, I'm not sure if divisions need to change anything themselves though

[tacit shell]

inspirational

[storm summit]

i wouldnt, you STINK!!!

so smelly

[tacit shell]

bru

[median talon]

suspended again

[sage bane]

??

[median talon]

?

[sage bane]

suspended again?

[median talon]

he was being mean to walac so i bet he’ll be suspended

[storm summit]

1984

[median talon]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-1984-nineteen-eighty-fortnite-gif-22904052