PKSF Level 4 Keycard

[lyric tundra]

its way to easy to search up a vid of raiding ard labs

[rapid sail]

classification rule only applies to aegid

[lyric tundra]

ik lol

[rapid sail]

raiders/non group members have a higher information clearance

[jolly elm]

True i know ARD labs pretty well and i havent even been in there before

Just from watching vids

[lyric tundra]

is there even a room that is still classified that raiders havent gone in yet besides l-5 card room

[rapid sail]

sc room

but they can shift lock to look in

[lyric tundra]

true

[rapid sail]

and the only thing kept secret is how old the pannel is

[graceful phoenix]

i'm sure it got renewed

[rapid sail]

it did not

the room is different but the panel is the same as ever

[jolly elm]

Ive seen tomls stream the sc room before in a vc

[rapid sail]

the only reason the rule exist is so we feel cooler

[jolly elm]

Lol

Lol

[regal veldt]

I don’t think you’ll abuse it, I hope no one abuses their current one. It’s just majorly unnecessary and give the ability to abuse it. And no one is saying you shouldn’t enter, just that you shouldn’t enter freely

It affects raiders and ARD, and on a grander scale could affect more. People who play this game still have an opinion

There’s no x reactions so you can’t really judge based off that anymore

Unfortunately

[worldly shuttle]

respectable

[worldly shuttle]

theres no L5 card

[lyric tundra]

bruh

i could of swore there was a l-5 card in the wiki before

[torn socket]

Sadly the wiki lied to you

@rapid sail are we allowed to see the ax panel

[steep umbra]

1. we've stated possibly hundreds of times why it is necessary
2. everyone has the ability to abuse everything they have access to, that makes zero difference
3. we have evidence to support why we can and will enter freely: we've been able to enter freely for years and have had one incident

[steep umbra]

it slightly affects raiders negatively
it affects ARD positively
it affects PKSF positively
it affects everyone we guard positively
it will have no effect outside of those groups

[rich wadi]

Why does MDF need it

[idle rover]

mdf's main duty is front line defense

mrt has a couple duties inside the facility i suppose but nothing major

most mdf are in the wasteland or doing bins

[regal veldt]

MDF don’t need buffs to their keycard

They access what they need to

[idle rover]

agreeable

[regal veldt]

You’ve been able to enter freely when given the opportunity, you haven’t been able to open it yourself. To your knowledge there’s only been one, any smart person isn’t gonna get caught snooping. And even if they’re not directly affected they should still be able to voice their opinion, they still play this game and could end up in those categories

[steep umbra]

most raiders leave the doors open, so yes, we have often been able to enter freely

yes, to my knowledge there has been one incident
if there were more, they were not major or damaging whatsoever, or else they would have been made known
"they COULD abuse it... its not likely but they COULD" isn't a reason not to give someone a beneficial needed tool

[tawny galleon]

I would get if you said this about MDF as they don't already see everything but Pksf quite literally see everything as they guard people like your ao

[jolly elm]

The reason you don’t want it is because you want your own area

[jolly elm]

lol

[regal veldt]

Ah yes, what a great summary of all my points. Well done 👏🏻

[tawny galleon]

Your points are just literally bullshit

Which I mean what ace said isnt far fetched I feel like its the actual reason but oh well

[regal veldt]

I don’t want it to just be my area, never said you can’t or shouldn’t go in it, I’ve just said you should be getting perms because there’s other factors plenty of times and besides vip protection you don’t need to be there

If you don’t like them that’s fine, doesn’t mean they’re bullshit.

[tawny galleon]

We dont even need perms rn lmao

Thats not even a thing currently

[regal veldt]

The perm atm is having the door opened someway

[tawny galleon]

Thats not a perm that just by chance

[regal veldt]

Wether it’s by a wastelander or aegis

Okay fine let me reword, you need to be given the chance and/or ability to enter atm

[tawny galleon]

Yes which is absolutely stupid

[regal veldt]

Your opinion

[jolly elm]

Yes let’s wait for no response because ARD has a habit of ignoring us. Also let’s let our VIP die since we can’t get to them because ARD ignores our pings. Stop acting like ARD is the victim when their not. All this stuff you and other ARD are saying is showing how you don’t trust us don’t try to deny it shows. We help you so much then other divisions.

We just want to do our job and better help our VIPs which you obviously can’t understand. We want to help ARD too

[silver rapids]

I wouldn’t trust a walking refrigerator either tbh

[jolly elm]

Cause you don’t want your raiding interrupted

[silver rapids]

And that walking refrigerators are probably thinking of doing something malicious

[wet raft]

ard just butthurt that another division can go in their “special area”

[graceful phoenix]

if something was to happen TOML would flip and we would probably get punished as a whole. I doubt someone is THAT dumb to do shit

[silver rapids]

I was saying as a whole, a walking refrigerator has probably become self aware and would plan to take over the world

I don’t trust those Samsung fridges

[jolly elm]

You really think calling us this is gonna trigger us?

[silver rapids]

I’m talking about fridges you shitass

A fridge, a thing that you can store food in

Are YOU a fridge?

[jolly elm]

If you are taking about that then I don’t see how it’s on topic to this question

[silver rapids]

This suggestion is not on topic as a whole

Y’all keep going over the same shit every day, we all know the outcome of it, I’m sure a dev has stalked it atleast once

Y’all argue and argue like it matters

It’s dumb as hell

[jolly elm]

And? You raiders cry everytime your little raiding gets a little harder get good

[silver rapids]

💀

You’re all crying to eachother about trust issues and keycards

You’re all walking L’s

NPC’s

[jolly elm]

If it’s about just ARD and PKSF as you say why are you here then

[jolly elm]

Hmmmm

[jolly elm]

this is the first person that isnt a member of PKSF to agree with that statement

[silver rapids]

I’m here to instigate more arguments because it’s funny to watch y’all cry to eachother, “we need to go in this area because this and that” “we don’t want you in this area because this and that” same shit man

[silver rapids]

Because it’s a public forum?

Lmao

[jolly elm]

Then why cry about it?

[jolly elm]

so you admitted to having literally no say in this then lol

[silver rapids]

I never said I have a say lmao

[jolly elm]

you just find it funny lol

[silver rapids]

Nor do I care of the outcome💀

[silver rapids]

Ofc I do, it’s hilarious

[jolly elm]

ok

[silver rapids]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ARD being territorial, PKSF being bone heads

[jolly elm]

how

i agree with the ARD bit but how are PKSF being "bone heads"

[undone river]

well then stop promoting drama

[regal veldt]

Never said ARD is a victim, and what does helping us more than other divisions have to do with anything?

[regal veldt]

They already can and I’m fine with that, I just think they should need some sort of chance or perms

[jolly elm]

bro we have already stated our points

[steel grove]

Honestly, I also don't want people sneaking around in our labs constantly without being watched or something. As maybe you accidentally press something and it goes boom

[steel grove]

Plus, this isn't for ARD to decide. It's for the devs. Well, maybe the HRs in ARD will get in a meeting with them. But still. Why prove them to us?

[jolly elm]

well its feedback so ye

[jolly elm]

you think we would do that?

[steel grove]

I'm not saying it's PKSF. But yes, maybe some of you will. Perhaps even your VIP.

[steel grove]

So maybe.

[dapper wasp]

Well the VIPs will if they want, because they can pretty much do whatever they want, Hicom don't need approval to touch labs. As for PKSF, if we wanted to touch stuff there's still plenty of times a day we're down there unsupervised, no one's touched anything.

[steel grove]

Still.

[steel grove]

I've seen a PKSF snooping around our labs going down with the elevator making it go boom.

[jolly elm]

and do you have evidence

[steel grove]

No, as another guy does, I don't. But he left AEGIS a while back.

[jolly elm]

so that accusation cannot be proven

[steel grove]

No, it cant. But I was just saying.

[dapper wasp]

My point is if someone did have malicious intent, having or not having a card isn't much of a factor. And if you do ever see someone misusing the labs feel free to contact PKSF administration, although such an event is severely unlikely

[tawny galleon]

But with SC its fine?

[steel grove]

If the SC does something, we can just report them instantly getting them fired.

And SC is kinda linked to ARD.

[tawny galleon]

So whats the issue with doing that with PKSF?

[jolly elm]

Since they will say we abuse but provide 0 evidence

[tawny galleon]

So is PKSF lol, we literally have more duties with ARD than SC has with ARD

[steel grove]

PKSF only helps ARD with some stuff. But SC can do more things with us.

[steel grove]

I've only needed to use you for like 2 things.

[tawny galleon]

Thats simply because you are a low ranking ARD and new to the division

[jolly elm]

"some" we literally deal with raiders for you with the help of MDF or MDF does it for you

[tawny galleon]

PKSF help during infections, crates, stuff in labs, expeditions, etc.

[steel grove]

Rank shaming. Wow.

[jolly elm]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[steel grove]

MDF also does those things.

[tawny galleon]

In addition to this we also help in coolant

[steel grove]

Same with STHD.

So we also need to give them access to our wing now?

[tawny galleon]

No as they are not already allowed in there freely

Like us, we are already allowed to enter freely

We dont need ARD to escort us

[steel grove]

How are you gonna enter without a keycard.

[tawny galleon]

By the doors being open dumb dumb

[steel grove]

Yea, and who needs to open them?

Raiders or ARD.

[jolly elm]

PKSF and ARD and raiders

well raiders can open it by cracker

[stark lance]

whats the difference between L3 and L4 anyways

[steel grove]

Yep.

[tawny galleon]

The only difference is being able to enter labs

[jolly elm]

L3 can open most things but since ARD is never on we cant enter labs to tackle raiders

[stark lance]

not that big of a deal

[steel grove]

Yea, ever heard of school?

If you have lots of free time on your hands, not my problem. We have school.

[jolly elm]

yes i have, i have school and can still do quota

[tawny galleon]

No need to talk about another divisions activity

[jolly elm]

I have school and I still manage to get on

[restive raft]

Don't raiders usually go inside the coolant which PKSF can access?

[tawny galleon]

Its useful for PKSF and doesnt make a difference to ARD or anyone else but theyre making a big deal out of it for no reason

[stark lance]

labs isnt that big of a deal

everybody who actively plays dod knows what it does and stuff

[jolly elm]

ofc

[stark lance]

no need to be so secretive about it smh

just let them have the L4

[jolly elm]

we arent on about what is classified but yes true everyone knows whats there

[steel grove]

Listen. When it comes to our wing, ARD has the command there. So if the HRs in ARD doesn't want you there (unless there is a VIP), then you cant enter. If they allow it, then you can.

[jolly elm]

technically no only awtribe can and the person who leads ard

[steel grove]

Yea, thats what I mean.

[jolly elm]

but from my knowledge we are allowed in there without an escort if we hold the right perms

[tawny galleon]

And PKSF talked to your ARD HR and got the ability to enter labs for raiders etc.

[steel grove]

As long as there is a VIP in there yes. Otherwise you got no business in there, unless ARD requested help with things.

[jolly elm]

Not true

[tawny galleon]

Were allowed in there without a VIP too

This has been discussed with the people in ARD that decide such things

[steel grove]

That's stupid, why let people in there if they got nothing to gain?

[tawny galleon]

Raiders....

[steel grove]

Yea.

That's what I mean by "or if you are requested."

[tawny galleon]

We dont get requested we just go

There is no need for an ARD to ask us or give us permission if there is a raider there we can enter

[jolly elm]

we dont need permission

[dapper wasp]

We can go in freely, enter freely and clear the floor of raiders, without being requested. The only thing is we can't open the doors. It's a physical obstacle nothing more

[dapper wasp]

They don't...because they don't have immunity..

[graceful phoenix]

I'm gonna throw in my two cents, why are you trying to argue with PKSF DC, who knows much more than you do and probably talked about that with ARD HRs

[steel grove]

Yea, because if I DM an ARD HR I will most likely get punished.

[graceful phoenix]

punished for what

[dapper wasp]

Like what..? I was SC for months I'm aware of the ARD SC relations to a certain extent, but unless something drastically changed in the past two months, there's only one real thing SC does with you guys. And I'm sure you know just how much PKSF and ARD work together on, and if you're not aware feel free to ask a higher ranking ard

[rapid sail]

the little things we do with ARD serves no purpose

[steel grove]

Yea, then you probably didn't pay attention or indeed as you say, something changed.

[rapid sail]

and is only there cause chairman forces it

[rapid sail]

there is literally only 2 things we do with ard excluding being in cured hanger cuffing people

and you could remove us from those 2 things and nothing would change

[dapper wasp]

Well a current SC just confirmed it too and so unfortunately you are the one that's misinformed here

[steel grove]

Well, if I am being misinformed, then it's the L-2 I have been asking my questions too.

[rapid sail]

i dont know how you can be miss informed on this

[steel grove]

Let's not get into too much detail here, as I don't want to accidentally say something that was true out to the public.

[rapid sail]

i can say what those 2 things are

we basically stand still for 5-30 minutes

[steel grove]

Thats 1 of them.

But if I said anything that wasn't true, I'm sorry.

[rapid sail]

the other thing we just follow you around in somewhere you can otherwise access without us

i dont know what point you're trying to make

[steel grove]

Yea, I also don't know why we need SC for only 2 things we can easily do ourselves. Well, for opening the doors for the {REDACTED] in [REDACTED], then I understand. As there aren't always 2 ARD online.

[steel grove]

I mean to the PKSFs.

[rapid sail]

the prison area isn't classified

[steel grove]

Oh well, just in-case.

[dapper wasp]

Oh i see what you mean, that isn't classified and pksf can do it for you too under certain circumstances

[rapid sail]

PKSF need access cause of something you should know about

seeing as literally everything here is only classified to non divisional aegis, can we go to joint div server

[steel grove]

Well, this went from an L-4 keycard to another topic in only 20 minutes.

[jolly elm]

hes still on about l4

[steel grove]

No, just saying.

[steel grove]

I was just saying this went to another topic real quick.

[dapper wasp]

Well yes i was simply attempting to clear your mistrust of PKSF, and your misunderstanding of the extend to which we help ARD, now that both of those things are clear you can see why we requested a L4 card

[steel grove]

Yes. Indeed.

I'm sorry for any trouble I made to you or myself.

[rapid sail]

can you check joint div server pls

[tawny galleon]

Just as a sidenote Pksf does that too

[lyric tundra]

2K MESSAGES?

WHAT THE

[steel grove]

Yea lol.

[steel grove]

And that for just a keycard.

[regal veldt]

And I’ve stated mine, that’s why I’m not really arguing anything anymore, it’s gone literally nowhere

[rapid sail]

then why are you arguing

[jolly elm]

you got him there lol

[regal veldt]

he aint even ard anymore

[jolly elm]

...........................................................................................................................................

[jolly elm]

Lol

[worldly shuttle]

dealt with

[jolly elm]

dang

[rapid sail]

what happened to him

[jolly elm]

Jell

[regal veldt]

He left without a discharge

[jolly elm]

cringe

[steel grove]

I won't go into too much detail but if you want to know almost everything, DM me.

[spice crystal]

What???

[jolly elm]

lol

[jolly elm]

most likely didnt even do his duties

[steel grove]

Oh, I did. Otherwise, I was kicked out the first 2 days.

Plus, don't go talking bad about people you never saw in action.

[jolly elm]

Kicked?

[steel grove]

Yea so, school hit harder than I thought. So I wasn't able to finish my QUOTA for like the whole week unless it's on the weekends. So I left without a discharge with permission from flat.

I was still able to do my duties here and there.

But the quota was a no-go.

[jolly elm]

so i was correct

but rip school is hard

gl with school

[steel grove]

No, I was still able to do my duties. But just not my whole quota like duty states and hours in-game.

[jolly elm]

ah

[restive raft]

Damn

[steel grove]

Thanks btw.

[jolly elm]

Why couldn’t you just file a formal discharge with the reason being not able to complete quota anymore?

[steel grove]

Well. If school is interfering with my quota, I would be blacklisted after a while. Plus, I need to do [REDACTED] amount of duty states before I can leave. I did not have that amount and could not get it. So this was my only option.

[jolly elm]

At least getting blacklisted for a while is better then getting exiled for leaving without discharge

[steel grove]

I get blacklisted either way.

Dishonourarly discharging will get you blacklisted, and not doing your quota for an amount of time will also get you blacklisted.

[jolly elm]

Yes but doesnt leaving without discharge gets you exiled? Pretty sure exiled is worse then blacklist

[silver rapids]

Exiled means kicked

That makes no sense

[steel grove]

No, as I asked to leave myself. Exiled means that you get kicked out of the division and have to re-apply. Blacklisted/suspended means you can't enter the division for a set amount of time.

[jolly elm]

Oh k

[steel grove]

In my case, 3 months.

But that doesn't matter as I am joining 2 or 3 other divisions to see which one is better.

[jolly elm]

Division hopping?

[jolly elm]

did mans just admit to division hopping?

[steel grove]

No bruh. Well depends. If I finish my all my homework on time, then I might but maybe not be able to join a division. I will just have to see.

[jolly elm]

he didn't say that you said that your joining 2 -3 divisions therefore you are division hopping applying for more then 1 division at the same time is division hopping

[steel grove]

OH NO

[steel grove]

I didn't mean it that way.

I ment that I am joining 2-3 divisions after a while.

[jolly elm]

okay i would be more careful when saying it like that because it did sound like you were div hopping

[steel grove]

Not at the same time.

[steel grove]

Sorry my bad.

[steel grove]

Is it a bad thing to do? Cuz I have never heard of "division hopping".

[jolly elm]

the punishment for it is a global blacklist from all divisions

at least thats what i've been told

[steel grove]

Well, I am not division hopping from so far I know.

[jolly elm]

have you applied for more then 1 division at the same time

if not you are not division hopping

[steel grove]

No. I am planning to apply for one, but not more than 1 at the same time.

[jolly elm]

alr good

[rapid sail]

love that bob needed to pin this

cause we more or less forgot what even was the point of the suggestion

[boreal geyser]

its about a keycard for 1 div but somehow every other div is involed somehow

[restive raft]

or when we go very off topic

[steel grove]

We got from an L-4 keycard for PKSF to me discharging and being blacklisted from ARD.

Just how.

[jolly elm]

I feel like this should just be archived.

[steep umbra]

probably 🤷‍♀️ it essentially already got confirmed by coded anyway

no real use in people arguing about it anymore

[jolly elm]

Coded will lock it when it’s over

well or whenever he wants

[steep umbra]

i mean he confirmed the suggestion

💀

[restive raft]

You should go see the balance 5ss suggestion

[steel grove]

Damn.

[soft patrol]

wdym

will coded add it

[steep umbra]

in an update where all divisionals get their own keycards, yes, technically PKSF will get a new keycard that can access everything

but it wont be a level 4

i also dont know when that update is happening but coded talked about it in #aegis or sumn

[soft patrol]

ohok

[raw sedge]

there was no downvote option for a very long time

It's prob more 63 up 10 down in reality

not that it matters

[regal veldt]

Not a lot of people downvote anymore

[jolly elm]

downvote it then but clearly 63 people want it

10 wouldnt matter anyway

[raw sedge]

5 was considered the threshold for a while so I think 10 would 😔

[jolly elm]

I mean this isn't gonna happen though, I do like the convos in here just reading through it.

Good entertainment.

[regal veldt]

Coded kinda confirmed it

He said all divs would get their own keycards, and said pksf will be able to access anywhere they need

[jolly elm]

He said divisional updates, plus kp said he doesn't support it.

[regal veldt]

Oh, idk then

[jolly elm]

All divs getting their own keycard would be tough to code unless they make a new door script which allows easier adaptations of card settings.

[robust scarab]

We need l4

[spice reef]

No

[jolly elm]

pksf l4 💀

[proven mica]

no

[sharp juniper]

A security force needs to have access to the majority of areas yes, but not all of them. High security regions in secure complexes usually have their own personnel with access credentials (ARD / for labs) and security personnel MUST be escorted by those personnel when in those areas.

It isn't a issue with PKSF not having access but with PKSF having unsupervised access which this would allow. The current system of PKSF having access to corridors but not labs is adequate in my opinion.

[jolly elm]

i dont think yall know how powerful l4 is

like a full fledged l4, not a custom card

[sharp juniper]

Alternatively, I suggest this:

Give PKSF JOW+ an L4 keycard (or L3 with lab access which is essentially what this problem is about). They are responsible enough to have full access, similar to a high ranking security official who usually has access to every room in a secure complex.

Below that rank, let them keep the L3.

[steep umbra]

this suggestion is old as hell why is it still open 💀

[regal veldt]

I was just gonna say

[sharp juniper]

Idk

[regal veldt]

And the cool down is still here

[sharp juniper]

Just realised

[steep umbra]

and regardless it's already been confirmed

[sharp juniper]

also like - I didnt read the date when it was posted

Someone commented on it recently and bumped it

it should be archived ffs

[steep umbra]

the current plan, unless its been changed at all, is to give all divisions custom cards with access to everywhere they're supposed to be accessing

the PKSF card just gonna be a custom card with access to almost the whole facility

except for like SC room ig

but that update won't be happening for a while

[dapper wasp]

Slightly before the city

So give it a couple months, or years

[sharp juniper]

stop bumping this thread

let it die please

[graceful phoenix]

decades, centuries, millenias

[jolly elm]

city update was never in production

[torn nova]

no

[fluid arrow]

please stay out of sc room

[sharp juniper]

stop fucking bumping this post

[jolly elm]

eh

just give l3 keycard access to more stuff

or just give us our own keycard

[sharp juniper]

Or just leave lower ranked PKSF with the current keycard but give HRs an L4 one

[jolly elm]

whats that gonna help

[sharp juniper]

Well in a formation of regular PKSF there should be atleast 1 highrank, usually

maybe a JOW or one rank below that

[jolly elm]

our jow doesnt have a group rank so this is impossible

[sharp juniper]

so he would open the door

[jolly elm]

but like

[sharp juniper]

... we can just make one

[jolly elm]

you think we havent thought or suggested that

like a billion times

[sharp juniper]

well you're suggesting a development change so you could also suggest that

effort needed would be approx the same

tbh in almost every org, HR's have different access levels even in sub departments/ divisions/ whatever they call it

kinda weird that divisional triallings through UOCs have the same access level here

should probably have different access levels based on div rank too

[hollow pendant]

ok

im putting this post

as

"hot"

[jolly elm]

bro

[sharp juniper]

LOL

[jolly elm]

thsi thread

was dead for a fucking year

i have a better one for you to put as hot

[sharp juniper]

someone keeps reviving it

[hollow pendant]

dc

no response

[sharp juniper]

oh yeah actually

just lock the thread

[jolly elm]

why

[sharp juniper]

so people dont bump it

a year later

[jolly elm]

bro doesnt want this to get added

[sharp juniper]

no

its already confirmed

[jolly elm]

oh fr

[sharp juniper]

the purpose of the thread is complete

[jolly elm]

oh coded said it would happen

or might happen

or some thing

[sharp juniper]

#1015742407012270140 message

[hollow pendant]

@steep umbra u agree with this?

[sharp juniper]

in general I think divisionals should have gear changes based on divisional rank

[jolly elm]

if only we had a jow rank so that was possible

same

combatics changes

make overwatch combatics cooler

[hollow pendant]

that'd be a suggestion

[sharp juniper]

combatics changes would be cool

[hollow pendant]

jow+

😉

[jolly elm]

no

boring

[sharp juniper]

assuming clloned or someone was up for it

and dman was alive to add it in

[hollow pendant]

ur boring

[fallow magnet]

big no

[steep umbra]

we have no JOW+ rank

in the group at least

PK+ or SPK+ would be fine i suppose

although it would be best if all ranks had it

which i have yet to see a good argument against lol

[vivid ginkgo]

Maybe instead there could be a special keycard for pksf just like ard and sc do since L-4 is intended to be an admin keycard for UCs

[sour dragon]

@steep umbra L4 can open the vents and that room near engineering

idk abt that

[vivid ginkgo]

It can also open SC panels

[sour dragon]

p sure it can also lower the sub roof bunkers

that too

[vivid ginkgo]

so my suggestion is make a special one

[sour dragon]

imo pksf keycard would be better

yeah

it’d be a good idea but like

there’s been pksf who’ve gone crazy in the past so to speak

idk about them having access in that moment to a lot of restricted stuff

then again if they abuse they’ll get banned

or kicked

[vivid ginkgo]

unfortunately nothing is gonna stop them if they buy a private server and go explore

Nobody can join them so noone can proof they opened anything restricted

[torn socket]

no stay ma once more

THEY ADDED A COOLDOWN TO THIS POST LOLLLLLLLLL

[sturdy lion]

throwback to cursxd as officer lol

[torn socket]

you no longer have a l3 :D

[undone river]

Woag

Woah

[dapper wasp]

That's how old this suggestion is

[steep umbra]

what vents are U on about

[sour dragon]

someone who knows take photo and send it here

the keypad coming out of spawn hallway

[steep umbra]

do you mean like the vents on the base of the tower

[sour dragon]

no

[steep umbra]

Oh i get what you're talking about

yeah those don't really do anything though

[sour dragon]

yeah fair

[sour dragon]

this too

[steep umbra]

u see the issue is

we already have access to a lot of that restricted stuff

the only things we'd really be gaining access to is like labs and warehouse

we can already open the entire AIA wing, the SC room, the hallway to labs, pretty much everything in the tower, etc

so you know it's not really much of an added risk

[jaunty girder]

if youve managed to join pksf ur probably not dumb enough to abuse ur keycard

[jolly elm]

anything is possible

[jaunty girder]

🤷‍♂️

[jolly elm]

i think a plain old level 4 keycard is a bit extreme but a custom keycard isnt a bad idea

[jaunty girder]

still tho, how many pksf do u think would waltz into the sc room?

[jolly elm]

enough

[jaunty girder]

.-.

u have 0 faith in our division

but swifty is right our keycard's lack of access is rlly annoying sometimes

[jaunty girder]

wait but wouldnt a custom keycard just be everything but the sc room

which swifty said is protected by anti cheat

[jolly elm]

mm

yes

probably

cus like swifty said

PKSF are intended to have access to all rooms in the game

[jaunty girder]

wait this thread is like a year old 💀

[torn nova]

i brought it back after just under a year

[versed wedge]

why?

[torn nova]

cuz i can

[versed wedge]

no

custom l-4 yes

HR l-4 no

[delicate nacelle]

getting locked inside labs or warehouse is always nice

[versed wedge]

HR L-4 has access to many areas like chairmans bunker, sc room, ARD things and other things

[delicate nacelle]

nothing restricted is behind L4 besides chairman bunker

Everything can basically be opened with L3

[vivid ginkgo]

SC room and panel, secret keypad near engineering, roof platform

ARD sedation room

These arent restricted?

lol

[delicate nacelle]

Sc room can be opend with L3, keypad near engineering opens a room with litrally nothing inside, ARD sedation room panel requires you to be in the group

[vivid ginkgo]

Sc room

With l3 keycard lol?

[delicate nacelle]

Yes

through office

[versed wedge]

yes you can enter sc room with l-3

but under guidelines you aren't allowed

and also if you enter u cant do anything without opening panel

which is locked to sc card and probably full l-4

[delicate nacelle]

going into sc room in any division (becides sc) without perms is insta eco

[versed wedge]

literately

pksf can enter only a part of the room to retrieve any vips

but they dont usually even open the door

[vivid ginkgo]

Sedation panel no

[versed wedge]

because having that door open causes the sc room to be vulnerable and also they could be punished if they enter any further than a few steps

but either way someone would ecoban them for entering sc room

think its fine to keep pksf at l-3 cuz where is l-3 even restricted to

[delicate nacelle]

not even that, i cant explain all to you as its classified by 99.99% of the time no pksf should ever steep foot into sc room

[versed wedge]

mk

[delicate nacelle]

we do to retrieve chairman

[versed wedge]

some pksf open some dont

[delicate nacelle]

it all depends on circumstance and how far away he got uncuffed

but in general pksf should not enter

[versed wedge]

yea

anyway l-3 can go into basically all places a hr would usually be

that being any main area, tower or prison

any other area is probably either going to have them tp their pksf or just have them open it for the pksf

for any areas i can think of that l-4 would have access to that l-3 doesn't

then i would say no because they should just stay outside of the room

or place

[delicate nacelle]

The main reasons why L3 would be great is,

• Warehouse
• 2nd route to reactor
• ARD Labs

everything else l3 can open

[versed wedge]

then instead of having a upgrade to l-4 keep it at l-3 and just change the keypad code to l-3 unlock or give pksf a custom keycard

officers should be trusted in not going into restricted areas

whoever else gets l-3 should already be trusted enough

[lilac glen]

Truck why are you being a truck lover

Just agree with them

[junior dune]

🤔

[toxic mica]

The only reason I don’t want them to get l-4 is so that they don’t mess with sc panel

[versed wedge]

^

[lilac glen]

Blud anti exploit exists

[toxic mica]

Otherwise, ok

[junior dune]

Doesn't the SC room just have the funny ban tile

[toxic mica]

not how it works

[versed wedge]

no

[lilac glen]

It does

[delicate nacelle]

either make SC panel exlusive to SC keycard (ToML can just spawn it in for themselfs) or require group

[toxic mica]

no it does not

[lilac glen]

Exactly

Make it require SC group

[junior dune]

Last time I checked it does. Regardless why not simply give them a custom card like ard L-4

[toxic mica]

I don’t think chairman or coded would change that

[delicate nacelle]

im p sure it has a barrier against wastelanders

[versed wedge]

ard-4 is more like a l-3 with less permissions

[toxic mica]

They only focus on “major updates”

[lilac glen]

What I don't understand is why does SC need a vault card on the side

[lilac glen]

And aegis*

[delicate nacelle]

no

[versed wedge]

WHAT THE FUCK XMARSHXL DISAGREED ON THIS

[toxic mica]

Because ARD needs us to open vault, and we can open the vault ourselves

[delicate nacelle]

because this is a very old suggestion

[versed wedge]

oh ok

[lilac glen]

I meant separate card

[toxic mica]

wdym

[versed wedge]

why would we want a sc trialing to be able to open vault

[junior dune]

Also why is this active again

But I do not see any harm with a PK having L-4 even if they get a customised card that restricts some access.

[delicate nacelle]

99% of the map can be opened with l3 anywasy

[versed wedge]

yea

[toxic mica]

With l4 they can abuse many things, not like that they are normally abusing right now, I just don’t trust them with it

Chairman bunker, sc room

[versed wedge]

just change the doors to allow l-3 access like 2nd reactor way and warehouse

[delicate nacelle]

Chairman bunker has nothing in it

[versed wedge]

ard labs as well ig

anyone that has a l-3 should already be trusted

[versed wedge]

it has things in it

[toxic mica]

as someone who was there, there are things there

[delicate nacelle]

there are, but most of them are either broken (last time i heard) or dont do much

[toxic mica]

nonetheless, nobody should access that area except for chairman and people he allowed

[delicate nacelle]

ToML are allowed

[versed wedge]

l-4 would give access to that door on tower leading to outside

[toxic mica]

The fact that pksf can go in there anytime isn’t really is good

[versed wedge]

which can be abused quite easily

[delicate nacelle]

then get pksf a custom l4

[lilac glen]

Just give them custom card

[versed wedge]

just change it so that l-3 can access more places that aren't restricted to pksf

[delicate nacelle]

all of you here bring more attention to this please <3 https://discord.com/channels/412291659347263498/1175150277897228389

[versed wedge]

noh

[junior dune]

Stores are disabled in private servers

[delicate nacelle]

yes i know, the suggestion is to enable it

[versed wedge]

accses

[delicate nacelle]

becasuse it makes being f2p so much more annoying

[versed wedge]

accses

[delicate nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-gif-22731535

[junior dune]

Private servers it doesn't really matter

[versed wedge]

unfair trainings
divisional trainings
events

[delicate nacelle]

we use them alot for various reasons, and being f2p and not being able to use other weapons is very very bad

[junior dune]

But we are having a posh upper class political debate on if thy emotionless machines should get a higher class card.

[delicate nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/569973624283463684/1148309428450381935/kart_leash.gif

[junior dune]

Machines made from flesh my good sir.

[versed wedge]

anyway

I say no because l-4 unlocks many places that shouldn't be unlocked
l-3 should be able to open ard to reactor door, warehouse and ard stuff

or

have a custom pksf card

[torn nova]

swifty is coming

be scared

[junior dune]

[steep umbra]

L-3 can already access almost everything in the border, including the SC room
the issue is the small amount of necessary doors that are not openable by a level 3 (the warehouse, the lab doors and the doors within the labs themselves)

[torn nova]

i get stuck in warehouse often

[delicate nacelle]

ard once tricked me and locked me in warehouse

[steep umbra]

from the year and a half (almost) that ive been in PKSF i think i can safely say that our members are not stupid enough to go into the SC room and open it and click the grouplocked buttons for quick fun that would get them exiled and ecobanned

[torn nova]

we can open that big door in warehouse but not the entrance, makes no sense

[delicate nacelle]

swifty vote on this please https://discord.com/channels/412291659347263498/1175150277897228389

[steep umbra]

as for the sensitive things in the ARD rooms, the same applies, and even if it didn't, the things in the ARD rooms are complicated and a PKSF without prior experience in ARD would have very little idea how to do anything with them

[torn nova]

a modified l4 for pksf would be enough

[sharp juniper]

why ain’t this thread dead yet

[steep umbra]

and even if they did have that prior experience, half of those things (particularly the important ones) are grouplocked or otherwise locked in ways that make them ARD only

[sharp juniper]

Ffs

[delicate nacelle]

ARD seduction thingy is also grouplocked

[sharp juniper]

Also swifty

Swifty

[steep umbra]

"seduction thingy" 💀

[sharp juniper]

did you read the ping in the aaa thing

[steep umbra]

yeah not entirely

[sharp juniper]

Mmm

[steep umbra]

i will read it later when im available but i got the gist of it

[sharp juniper]

I’ll just pin it in notes

Kk back to the topic

Why isn’t this thread dead

[delicate nacelle]

because its a good suggeastion

[torn nova]

^

[steep umbra]

as for the chairman's room, we would obviously speak with IC and chairman regarding when and why and how we would be able to access that room
if it ended up as "you can't access it whatsoever", we would not access it because we are actually fairly good at following location restrictions

anyway

[delicate nacelle]

what?

[steep umbra]

the argument of "It's dangerous to give them that much access to the border" is nonsense because 1) we already have a lot of access and don't abuse it 2) why would we ever abuse that literally ever we'd get banned instantly

as said in more detail above 💀

[sharp juniper]

Isn’t it already accepted

[delicate nacelle]

basically

[sharp juniper]

That’s why I’m saying it should die

If the suggestion got accepted and everyone is chill with it

Then let this die

I am aegis

[lilac glen]

..

[steep umbra]

like 800 years ago lol

[fresh pendant]

i feel like there arent even that many rooms that can be accessed only by l4

[lilac glen]

Is your brain ok kazoo

[sharp juniper]

Literally almost 12 months ago isn’t it

[steep umbra]

something like that

[lilac glen]

Drink more so your body becomes immune

[fresh pendant]

wouldnt it just make more sense to give them a card that is like teh sc or ard card

[lilac glen]

Yes a custom one

[steep umbra]

it'd be essentially the exact same access as the already existing level 4 card

so chairman said a while back he'd rather just give us the L4 to avoid having to make a brand new card and code it in all the doors and whatnot

🤷‍♀️

[junior dune]

Tbh Idk why warehouse isn't L-2 considering combatics need to clear it when there are raiders.

[steep umbra]

Ya

it WAS l3+ before the big updates to it happened and it started being something useful (i think)

[lilac glen]

Swifty I think PKSF should have academy clearance until they reach UO

[steep umbra]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[lilac glen]

Then they get L1 has UO

[fallow magnet]

i think every pksf should have every card and guns

[lilac glen]

L2 as DC
L3 as UOC
L4 as AO

[lilac glen]

(don't let me become a dev)

[fallow magnet]

L4 for AO is already a thing since toml gets l4

[lilac glen]

To make sure they don't abuse their keycards and they're trusted

[lilac glen]

Yes aware

[fallow magnet]

Ok exiled AAA personnel

[junior dune]

FA+ can already walk to the coolant and turn it off

[fallow magnet]

I didn't spend that much

[lilac glen]

Ok 200 bucks on day of dusk

[fallow magnet]

Lower

[lilac glen]

You have iconic patriot sir

[hollow pendant]

lets get this done...

[sour dragon]

I will not be the one responsible when a trialing lowers the subroof bunker

[dapper wasp]

just raise it and exile the trialing it aint that deep

[sour dragon]

b-but........ everything must be in order and in its place!

we could see a completely downfall of the group

total destruction and annihilation