PKSF Level 4 Keycard

[stuck magnet]

i just have the stuff saved in a notepad

[marsh tiger]

implied

[flint edge]

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To rank up please join the discoard from then on verify and go to #discoard-link channel and join the discoard, there lessons will be hosted and you must attend and pass 2 to reach the rank of Cadet.

this is how

[flint edge]

Bro I'm gonna say the d word

😵

[stuck magnet]

Demogorgon

[vital burrow]

People have been banned on roblox for bypassing and saying discoard or dizzy

[flint edge]

I do have a cousin named d- though

[stuck magnet]

real

[vital burrow]

ye

[jolly elm]

That’s stupid lol

[vital burrow]

But that was like a while ago

[vital burrow]

I agree

[flint edge]

Discord doesn't get tagged anymore

[stuck magnet]

why is his name Demogorgon

yeah

[flint edge]

Just say "Discord."

[stuck magnet]

Doesn't tag

but

[flint edge]

[stuck magnet]

[flint edge]

[stuck magnet]

[flint edge]

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im gonna do the funny

[flint edge]

[stuck magnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/696524206275297320/997752074186010675/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[flint edge]

Say his name rn

You wont

[stuck magnet]

d-

never

i dont do the illegal

[flint edge]

In SC tryouts they do a Trialing phase ig lol

Saw it with my own eyes today

"Grammer."

[stuck magnet]

it wasnt a tryout

[flint edge]

Oh

What was it

[stuck magnet]

classified 😎

[flint edge]

Wait I bet it was something to do with SCP singular A

[stuck magnet]

this is the new ontopic guys

[flint edge]

I'm gonna reveal all the phases rn!!!

And pictures I took of the tower and SC things!!!

[stuck magnet]

:ban

[flint edge]

I think I may or may not still have access to sc docs

Not sure though I don't use that acc anymore

[stuck magnet]

wait..

alt acc?

[flint edge]

No

It was gmail

[stuck magnet]

!!!

[flint edge]

Nerd

Google account

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ALT

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Ratio

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https://tenor.com/view/aia-aegis-day-of-dusk-aegis-meme-gif-25053542

[flint edge]

EX-Division members when they post all of the classified divisional documents in #aegis

[rich wadi]

I’ve whispered ARD for anything and most of the time it’s “ask another ARD”

[spice crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerdy-nerds-nerd-emoji-gif-25380417

[spice reef]

ard get l4, ofcourse its gonna open th sensitive stuff in labs

there was a glitch in which you can get tped to dylans bunker and look around it

personally it somehow happened to me

[undone river]

[tawny galleon]

L3 can open SC room lol

[steel grove]

Why would you need access to the ARD wing? What can you possibly do there?

For raiders, you have a special sub-division for that.

[regal veldt]

His point isn’t about being able to access it in general, it’s accessing it themselves so they can clear raiders without needing an escort which they can do anyways really, they just don’t have the keycard rn

[marsh tiger]

and vips

[steel grove]

If VIPS goes in there then PKSF can enter anyway, as the VIP can open the doors there.

[soft patrol]

I disagree with the suggestion

[marsh tiger]

what happens if hes in there before? or someone closes the doors?

nah bro let me just pm chairman and pray that he will reply and open the door

[steel grove]

That's not really my problem, is it? Unless PKSF whispers me, not my problem.

[marsh tiger]

the fact is I do whisper ard

but they usually dont respond

[steel grove]

I always respond to whispers.

[marsh tiger]

ok you may, others might not

[steel grove]

Then that's their problem.

[steel grove]

Still not mine.

[marsh tiger]

Sir yes sir sorry sir

[steel grove]

You cant call me sir btw, and im just saying.

[marsh tiger]

I Shall Now Use Grammar.

[jolly elm]

If there’s raiders and Ard is dead

What can we do

[steel grove]

You can always ask ARD to come back bruh. It's only like 40 steps for us.

[regal veldt]

Support requests, pings, dms, and more. And like I’ve said there’s ways to cut them off/start a siege of sorts

[steel grove]

That also works I guess.

[tawny galleon]

This special sub division also cannot enter the labs as the keycard doesnt open it

Thats the whole point

[jolly elm]

but they will just die

[fallow pond]

Better to just make a pksf keycard

[jolly elm]

So they can possibly die? Sorry that’s not how it works. We aren’t putting the VIPS life in danger especially if it’s chairman

VIPs shouldn’t have to open doors for us

We are

[spice reef]

dod vips be fr serious 😔 😔 😞 💯 😮‍💨

[silver rapids]

Damn dude, this Lego game shit fr fr super serious 💯 #ThankYouForYourService

[rapid sail]

but think about them poor raiders

[jolly elm]

If pksf are going to get a keycard buff then mdf should also get a keycard buff

[silver rapids]

I think it’s funny how every single suggestion for a division is always ARD or PKSF

They are always the ones being focused on lmao

[rapid sail]

cause apparently people think labs are supposed to be guarded by mainly ard

[silver rapids]

I mean shit just give everyone something that equals a lvl 4💀

I don’t think either of these two divs need any more buffs

[spice reef]

i think if they needed l4 it would have been given to them years ago

[silver rapids]

True true

For real, sthd and MDF are sat on

[jolly elm]

Pksf have enough stuff already

Give stuff to mdf and sthd

[silver rapids]

Or maybe

Also

Just stop giving all of them shit

[vital burrow]

Eh idk about that

They don't really need it

[jolly elm]

They’re saying pksf should get a keycard buff so they could access ard labs and stuff to help defend, mdf sometimes could also do that but only have L2 card. So if pksf get a buff to open ard lab mdf should also get buff to open ard labs

[vital burrow]

That isn't the only reason

PKSF could also access labs for VIP protection

And if I recall correctly, MDF require ARD escorts anyways

[jolly elm]

Then the vip could open the doors, vip are the ones who mostly open the doors for themselves anyways in public areas

[vital burrow]

VIPs don't just open doors for PKSF

[jolly elm]

The vips open the door for themselves and the pksf guard the vip while the vip open

[vital burrow]

What if the VIP is already down there?

[jolly elm]

Most of the time when vip are down there they leave the doors open for pksf, at least from the times when i saw them go down

[vital burrow]

That's rarely the case

And leaving the doors open isn't a great idea

[jolly elm]

How could the vip even be down there without pksf anyways if there are pksf online? The pksf would follow the vip down there

[vital burrow]

Some PKSF might join late and the VIP can just noclip/fly/teleport to labs

Or just outrun the PKSF there

[jolly elm]

They dont normally just no clip or tp to labs, they walk/run to wherever they want to go most of the time

There are prob guidelines around flying and tping for them

[vital burrow]

Okay but that doesn't guarantee PKSF are going to be on top of them 24/7

There are other factors involved

[jolly elm]

Vip normally dont go to ard labs. If they do normally its either without escort or leave the door open. The few times ive seen toml down there its either one of these 2

[silver rapids]

I’ve never seen a VIP in labs before lmao

[jolly elm]

They do occasionally but its pretty rare

[vital burrow]

You also aren't a PKSF

It's not that rare

[silver rapids]

It’s very rare, I’m on a lot, and always raiding labs

I’ve never once spotted a VIP in labs

[jolly elm]

Yes but I was ard before and was online almost 24/7 back then

Only happened a few times where toml go down

[vital burrow]

Still, if a VIP were to go into a restricted area, PKSF wouldn't be able to reach them without divisional support

[tawny galleon]

VIPs go into labs like all the time lol

[vital burrow]

hi voided

[jolly elm]

L3 card is already high enough, L4 are like high com level of access, if they rly rly need to go to rly restricted access that even l3 cant open, just get other divisionals, or have the vip help

[tawny galleon]

You do realize that L3 literally opens everything except labs?
Including a couple things we dont need access to PKSF are already allowed into labs without an escort but cannot most of the time as the keycard prevents us

[vital burrow]

You clearly didn't see the past disscussion so let me sum it up for you. Divisonals don't always help PKSF, I have experienced this and many others have aswell. VIPs shouldn't be doing favors for PKSF, PKSF should be the one providing the service. It also looks bad for PKSF if they rely on their VIPs to do their duties.

[tawny galleon]

^^

It takes ages to ask for an ARD to come and open labs for you most of the time

[jolly elm]

Then simply get a special card for pksf like ard and sc card.

[tawny galleon]

Thats literally the suggestion we made lol

[vital burrow]

That's what they want

bruh I keep saying we lol

[jolly elm]

So that’s not a problem

[tawny galleon]

No they arent

lol

[vital burrow]

PKSF should still be there if thats the case though

ARD aren't PKSF

[tawny galleon]

PKSF are allowed to follow VIPs where ever they need to

They dont need escorts

[jolly elm]

I dont mean escort like protect, I mean like supervise

[tawny galleon]

Yea no

Not a thing

[vital burrow]

That doesn't solve the problem

[jolly elm]

It was a thing before, not sure if they changed it

[jolly elm]

i could go to Australia and back

and they still wouldnt be tehre

[jolly elm]

the vip would open it..

[vital burrow]

They shouldn't have to though

[raw sedge]

No, makes it easier for some dumbass trialing to abuse in a pserver.

[jolly elm]

so are you with or against the keycard

im confused

[vital burrow]

With

[jolly elm]

what would tehy abuse

[jolly elm]

Okay I think i replied to the wrong person or misread

[raw sedge]

As I said, some dumbass, no explaining why, they just do

[vital burrow]

PKSF are also more competent then other divisionals (not meant to be insulting). If they do abuse it, it'll be really easy to punish them.

[raw sedge]

So why are you making it easier to abuse

[jolly elm]

you go to the worst case scenario

[vital burrow]

PKSF also have cuffs that are easy to abuse

[jolly elm]

^

so do AIA

[raw sedge]

Yes, and it's a very valid criticism

[jolly elm]

so we should remove cuffs from PKSF and AIA then

[raw sedge]

And they need cuffs

Do they need L4 keycard? Not at all.

[jolly elm]

anything can be abused

yes we do

Raiders go into labs

we cant get in there

[raw sedge]

Then get an ARD escort, imo you should always need one but idk ARD procedures and have no business knowing

[jolly elm]

an ARD escort 😂😂😂😂

They die what do we do

just wait for them?

[raw sedge]

Yes

[jolly elm]

when we can open the door and kill the raider

[vital burrow]

What if it's VIP protection?

[jolly elm]

You just have 0 game sense then

[jolly elm]

Yes

[marsh tiger]

ard have like a 5% response chance

[jolly elm]

Exactly no disrespect to ARD even though I appreciate you guys a lot it took one ARD a whole 10 mins to get to me

[raw sedge]

Then blame the VIP, if they aren't letting you in then what can you do

[jolly elm]

and i was locked in labws

labs*

Bobguy you are missing my point

[vital burrow]

That's not really a good thing to do

[jolly elm]

If raiders are in there and ARD dies and we cant open the door

who will kill the raide

raider

tell me

[raw sedge]

You wait

[jolly elm]

you wait

funny

[raw sedge]

And wait

And wait

[jolly elm]

and then they get to coolant

and do a metldown

[vital burrow]

PKSF should be providing the service, not the other way around

[vital burrow]

PKSF have access to coolant

[raw sedge]

Its Ard labs not PKSF labs last time I checked

[jolly elm]

I know that

[jolly elm]

^

Bobguy are you reading what we are saying

[raw sedge]

I am

[jolly elm]

ARD ISNT A COMBATIVE DIVISION

[raw sedge]

You wait

[jolly elm]

It kinda is

[raw sedge]

Neither is AIA

[jolly elm]

it really isnt

[vital burrow]

The SC room belongs to SC and yet its still somewhat used by PKSF

[jolly elm]

@vital burrow Is ARD combative?

[vital burrow]

Not nessessarily

[jolly elm]

The only rly non combative division is sc

[jolly elm]

Wdym

you arent even ard

[vital burrow]

ARD's main role isn't combat

[raw sedge]

For what? If a VIP walks in?

[jolly elm]

It’s main role may not be combat but it does lots of combat

[vital burrow]

Mainly to protect the VIP if a raider is in the tower

[vital burrow]

Fair

so does SC and AIA in some cases

[raw sedge]

Raiders can't enter that room though

[jolly elm]

Ard does redacted with other combative div, ore run, patrol, defend coolant cause thats the main objective of most raiders

oh my god

go onto youtube

and search ard roblox aegis

the labs itself is on there

their guidelines and stuff classified

which it should be

We arent gonna start our own experiment are we

[raw sedge]

What does this have to do with you getting an L4 keycard

[jolly elm]

we are there to simply clear raiders

no?

so we can enter ARD labs to clear raiders

[jolly elm]

Now aia roblox aegis

you wont find anything on aia

[raw sedge]

People abuse it, why give them the potential for more harmful abuse?

[jolly elm]

Youtube is like a loophole for people to upload classified shit

Where is evidence

of abuse

[raw sedge]

You said it yourself

[jolly elm]

I said anyone can abuse

its just the fact they will get caught

[raw sedge]

Peop have cuffs, do people no get exiled for abusing them?

[jolly elm]

ofc people get exiled

[raw sedge]

Do people not get warned for entering restricted areas?

[jolly elm]

abusing cuffs is a serious offence

[jolly elm]

Thats if there is evidence

[raw sedge]

Why needlessly make their abusive potential worse

[jolly elm]

bro what wil we abuse

theres nothing we can do in there anyway

Raiders can do stuff there

We cant

[raw sedge]

In the scenarios you mentioned there's no reason for PKSF to be operating independently, that's not their job.

[soft patrol]

its not needed

[jolly elm]

It is needed

Because ARD Need help killing raiders and if we are in there and ard die and we get locked in a room

can we get out

no?

[vital burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/choujeki-eating-popcorn-gif-14739088

[soft patrol]

pksf are already too strong

[jolly elm]

they camp elevator

[soft patrol]

no need for more buffs

[jolly elm]

ard cant get in

[raw sedge]

Then wait for ARD

[jolly elm]

BUFFS

hear my man

big man ting

[rapid sail]

wait for ard to join the game real quick

[raw sedge]

Idc how long they wait, not their area, not their place to be operating independently

[rapid sail]

oh wait

they arent

[jolly elm]

Exactly super

[jolly elm]

So you are basically saying that I support raiders being in labs

[raw sedge]

I support raiding yes

[rapid sail]

oh wait

[jolly elm]

Bro my brain is hurting

[rapid sail]

ard arent joining

[raw sedge]

And I support Ard having jurisdiction over labs

[jolly elm]

if ARD tell us to leave

we leave

and if we dont then they send it to swifty or voided

[rapid sail]

may as well just give sc jurisdiction

cause we can open the door

[idle rover]

it’s a shared sector by many divisionals to get to coolant and reactor, not like their entire floor is just restricted to them and them only

[jolly elm]

just let initiates deal with it at this point

[rapid sail]

fr

[soft patrol]

the reason why i dont agree with this suggestion is that i can only solo raid labs when ard is offline or afk, but if pksf will be able to enter labs then i will never be able to solo raid unless if they didnt hear the cracking or something

[jolly elm]

what it depends if your good at comabt

[vital burrow]

Well PKSF can't just enter labs freely

[raw sedge]

Then why do they need L4 keycard to access labs itself?

[jolly elm]

TO KILL RAIDERs

[rapid sail]

shh dont say that, it will reality check them

[raw sedge]

There's other routes to coolant

[soft patrol]

being good at combat wont counter the 250 health shield + the constant respawns

[rapid sail]

good question bob

good question

[jolly elm]

very good question

[idle rover]

clearing out raiders as theres permanent damage that raiders can do to the server inside of labs

[jolly elm]

as if i havent answered that 20 times

[jolly elm]

thanks for saying that also

[idle rover]

sc can open labs too, no one talks about abuse for them tho

[jolly elm]

Exactly

[raw sedge]

And Ard can't escort them why?

[jolly elm]

who said they cant

[idle rover]

because ard aren’t always available

[jolly elm]

its jsut the fact we can deal with it on our own

[rapid sail]

cause they arent ingame

[raw sedge]

SC have gotten in trouble for it and I frankly don't understand why they have access

[marsh tiger]

sc legit has more members than pksf too

[raw sedge]

And pksf can't wait why?

[jolly elm]

you are asking the same question again a_quo already answered this

[vital burrow]

Time is a critical factor for both raid protection and VIP protection

[jolly elm]

for the love of god BECAUSE THERE IS RAIDERS

[rapid sail]

cause now theres raiders in labs

activating the piss laser

going into god knows where

[vital burrow]

omg its OCE

hi

[fleet sphinx]

i don’t think that pksf need independent access to ard - the only reason i can think of is VIP or raiding, both of which would include having someone else already in labs

besides pksf aren’t meant to have access to our shit to begin with

[soft patrol]

also ppksf would still need a ard

[fleet sphinx]

some trialing pksf can waltz into any lab for that

[soft patrol]

when there is a raider

to drain batteries

[idle rover]

if it’s pkfs main priority to get the site to safety, protect their vip, whatever it is then they should be able to access those areas that are vital to their duties

[vital burrow]

and get exiled

[idle rover]

it’s the same with sc

[fleet sphinx]

yeah

i’m in favour of both divisions still requiring an escort

ard can access prison but we still need sc for that, same thing here

[idle rover]

well i won’t leak guidelines so i won’t say anything else but yknow

[jolly elm]

@fleet sphinx Okay let me say it like this ARD isnt the best at combat and if we get an escort and get locked in a room and theres a raider camping with 5ss

i dont think you will be able to kill them

[fleet sphinx]

pksf doesn’t have a valid, duty-related reason to access labs specifically

[vital burrow]

VIP protection

[jolly elm]

and dealing with raiders

[fleet sphinx]

vip will open door

[vital burrow]

ehhhhhh, not all the time

[idle rover]

vip is often afk

[fleet sphinx]

then ask ard

[vital burrow]

VIPs shouldn't be doing favors for PKSF, it should be the other way around

[idle rover]

ard is not ingame

[jolly elm]

Thats not a reason cause then you could use that reason to say pksf should be able to access every single door in dod

[fleet sphinx]

then wait at the ard door

[raw sedge]

Pksf explaining why they need unsupervised access to entire facility:

[vital burrow]

That doesn't always work though

[soft patrol]

and as a last case scenario protect the doors leading to the labs

[fleet sphinx]

then wait outside labs

[idle rover]

vip is vulnerable

[vital burrow]

Well PKSF kind of already do

[fleet sphinx]

they could access engineering no?

[jolly elm]

It could be so easily abused

[silver rapids]

🍿

[idle rover]

engineering doesn’t lead to label

labs

[vital burrow]

Same thing with SC

[jolly elm]

There are cases from what I heard of people having alts inside divisions, which they could abuse to find out classified stuff they arent suppose to know

[fleet sphinx]

still a roundabout way

[fleet sphinx]

exactly

[jolly elm]

Yes but sc have more limited access

[raw sedge]

This suggestion is useless bc this is still a divisional issue, if you get the L4 card ARD could still make you get an escort... You know that right?

[silver rapids]

There’s a way

[vital burrow]

To what exactly?

[idle rover]

a way that the l3 card doesn’t access

[fleet sphinx]

yup

it’s the opposite issue in ard’s case

[silver rapids]

I have L1 and I can 💀

Lmao

[vital burrow]

Yes and I agree with you, but that would apply to everything except VIP protection

[fleet sphinx]

our card opens a lot we’re not meant to access

[idle rover]

dm me what way

[jolly elm]

SC-4 have a lot less access compared to L4. Why would they be given sc 4 instead of l4 then?

[jolly elm]

teach me please so i dont have to wait an hour for ard

(thats a joke)

[silver rapids]

I hope we’re both thinking of the same way

[soft patrol]

the way is to just no clip ezpz

[little garnet]

This thread has so many freaking comments.

[silver rapids]

Or I’m gonna be pissed

[idle rover]

have you ever been in sc

[vital burrow]

How does PKSF having SC-4 apply here?

[fleet sphinx]

why not instead of a card that makes default-access to every area, pksf get something else like an addition to their tracker to override doors for vip protection

[idle rover]

swifty said it themselves that their guidelines allow them there without one

[jolly elm]

Im just saying its harder for sc to abuse since they cant access as much stuff because ur saying sc could also abuse

[soft patrol]

yuh thats a good idea

[raw sedge]

Pksf doesn't need this, they want it

[vital burrow]

That would be cool

[idle rover]

it’s not like ard can suddenly change pksfs guidelines for something that the chairman implemented

[jolly elm]

We want it because raiders do damage to labs and we want to stop it

[silver rapids]

^

[vital burrow]

well.....

[silver rapids]

The only way we can do shit is when ARD are offline lmao

[jolly elm]

That reason could be applied to both MDF and STHD

[fleet sphinx]

the original suggestion was intended for vip

[vital burrow]

bruh whats with the slowmode, this is cringe

[jolly elm]

It wouldnt be fair that only pksf have access with their card

[silver rapids]

If you make it harder and harder to raid, you lose playerbase

[raw sedge]

Too many comments, slowmode permitted

[vital burrow]

ah

[soft patrol]

fr

[silver rapids]

We already have it hard

[vital burrow]

I like this idea though

[silver rapids]

We can’t do shit in labs when ARD are on

[jolly elm]

@raw sedge Can I call someone bad in a respectful way for my statement

[vital burrow]

And to prevent abuse, maybe it can only be used when a VIP is online. Like it won't work without a VIP on

[jolly elm]

That would take lot of scripting

[raw sedge]

Yeah if you mean at combat

[vital burrow]

okay....

[jolly elm]

And rn coded and chairman are prob focused on other stuff

[vital burrow]

PKSF already have a lot of scripting in their combatics

[raw sedge]

And they want more

[silver rapids]

PKSF respawn not to far away

[vital burrow]

Yeah but it would be an interesting addition when they have time for it

[fleet sphinx]

a new pksf l4 card is also a lot of scripting

[rapid sail]

cooldown

[jolly elm]

Yea thats why im saying L3 card for them is enough

[fleet sphinx]

mhm

[silver rapids]

Fr

[jolly elm]

ARD is literally just a science division

[jolly elm]

They also do combat

[raw sedge]

AIA is an Intel division, still kill raiders

[silver rapids]

And do lots of combat

[rapid sail]

can they make up their mind then

[jolly elm]

Ard might as well be a combatic division with the stuff they do

[raw sedge]

Pksf is a vip protection division and you wanna touch up the entire facility, if anything MDF has more ground for this

[jolly elm]

so why do they request us for help every time a raider comes because i will tell you this now if swifty said "Dont help ARD with raiders" they would be annoyed becausae they have no one to kill the raiders

[silver rapids]

Fr

[rapid sail]

every div fight raiders but aia's intel wing doesn't give raiders a extremely large advantage

right now, unless we can prevent raiders from getting past the first door

they're basically safe in the labs free to do whatever

[jolly elm]

It would take ARD some time to kill raiders because they aren't a combat focused division

[rapid sail]

and leak whatever they want

[jolly elm]

Let’s say theres 2 mdf online and 2 pksf online. The 2 mdf are aware of raiders inside but pksf arent. Obviously the mdf will ask pksf for help even though they are a combatic division themselves

[silver rapids]

They still do a shit ton of combat dude

[jolly elm]

i have never seen an mdf down at labs

[rapid sail]

meanwhile the only people that can reach them is ARD who aren't combat specialized

[fleet sphinx]

ARD aren’t completely useless in combat, ace

[silver rapids]

I fight more ARD than I do PKSF

[vital burrow]

I feel like a realistic solution would be just to wait for OCE's tracker addition idea to be implemented. It solves the abuse problem and satisfies both parties.

[rapid sail]

cause they dont have level 4

[jolly elm]

neither do we

[jolly elm]

Thats cause you probably havent been in pksf long enough

[fleet sphinx]

i’ve defended coolant on my own without pksf

[rapid sail]

are you guys a combat div

[silver rapids]

^

[fleet sphinx]

at this rate yes

[raw sedge]

Yeah but won't happen knowing DOD

[silver rapids]

They still do a lot of fucking combat

[rapid sail]

could you defend against raiders in coolant with no gamepass

[silver rapids]

They might as well be a combat div

[jolly elm]

They could, at least a redacted part can and under redacted scenario

[vital burrow]

We can probobly find a way

[raw sedge]

All a combative division gives is guns, not skill, stop saying they're bad at combat bc they aren't X division

[fleet sphinx]

it’s better than writing an entire new card for pksf

[jolly elm]

there is no redacted part its on youtube literally go to any raiders yt and you can see it

[silver rapids]

^

[rapid sail]

so you need to be good at combat to get into ard? just like in mdf and sthd?

[jolly elm]

What you need skill to kill people

[jolly elm]

AIA wing is classified, but its on YouTube. Does that mean anyone here could spill everything inside aia wing without getting banned/exiled?

[raw sedge]

The fuck does it matter if you're good at combat, it doesn't

[jolly elm]

elaborate on spill

[rapid sail]

if mdf people are bad at combat, they wouldnt get into mdf

[jolly elm]

By talking about whats inside aia wing in the public channels here like on topic and feedback threads

[silver rapids]

Debatable

[rapid sail]

you can suck at combat and get into ard cause combat is not what they're looking for in people

[jolly elm]

it just depends on what you say

[rapid sail]

compared to ard at least

[silver rapids]

As with STHD and MDF

[jolly elm]

You cant use YouTube as a way to judge what’s classified or not

yes i can because they would of been banned

Let me put it like this

[vital burrow]

@raw sedge Could you pin this as a viable suggestion substitute please. And so I can find it easier

[rapid sail]

chairman doesnt want to spend money hiring a lawyer to take down the videos, hence why they're still up

[raw sedge]

Idk if I can

I'll ask

[vital burrow]

thank u

[rapid sail]

cause its waste of money

[fleet sphinx]

ace please stop saying shit like this before you get in serious trouble

[jolly elm]

didnt see this but maybe when you try override doors a GUI comes up and you have to type a reason and it will get sent somewhere

So much shit on there is classified, some even posted by famous raiders. They could freely post vids containing classified shit, but if they even post a single screenshot from those videos into screenshot channel, they get banned

[soft patrol]

its cus it is only classified to aegis not to raiders

[jolly elm]

I'm watching what I say

[silver rapids]

Confirmed

[vital burrow]

that would be cool

[jolly elm]

oh that yes

[rapid sail]

me when your average non group member has more information clearance than a divisional

[silver rapids]

Lol

Because we have infinite access to it all

[rapid sail]

when you join aegis, you lose the right to view certain stuff

[jolly elm]

Just search up srelit yt channel and sort by most popular

[silver rapids]

Mhm

[rapid sail]

apparently according to you

[silver rapids]

I’d say it’s true

[soft patrol]

anyways all labs arent even classified except lab 3

[rapid sail]

so you by any chance see how stupid this is?

[silver rapids]

Debatably yes

[rapid sail]

that something is public info until you join the group

[jolly elm]

Labs themself arent classified for 1 and 2 but some stuff you could do with these labs are classified

[silver rapids]

Yes

That’s why I’ve gotten in trouble for posting screenshots

[soft patrol]

yes true

[silver rapids]

Because apparently me having access to them doesn’t mean I can post screenshots to it to other people who have access

[jolly elm]

If u place a random civilian inside lab 1, they probably dont know how to operate it

[rapid sail]

its like if classifying stuff in a lego game is stupid

[soft patrol]

there is nothing to operate in lab 1 for raiders lol

[silver rapids]

Lol

[rapid sail]

if i leave the group you could send it to me

[soft patrol]

the cure gas is bugged and doesnt even cure

[silver rapids]

Me when AIA wing

[rapid sail]

what the fuck is this logic?

[jolly elm]

becareful what you say

[rapid sail]

yeah

[silver rapids]

Ace, can I confess my love to you here?

[rapid sail]

this isnt worth it at this point

[jolly elm]

yes

Maybe someone should lock this thread before someone accidentally leaked

what happened to going gym together 😢

[silver rapids]

You never showed man, I waited for hourssss

I’m going tmw, show up and I’ll help you get legs like mine

@jolly elm can confirm

[steep umbra]

that'll just never happen 🤷‍♀️ that would need a rework to every door in the game, along with a full revamp to the tracker because the tracker has nothing to do with anything like that

the chairman himself has said that he would rather give us a default level 4 because it would be far less work for him

as cool as it would be, a door override GUI would never happen

default level 4 card is just a much easier solution, for both PKSF and the developers

[sour roost]

what is this mess

bro this is more alive than off topic

[steep umbra]

those two reasons you named are the exact reasons we need it, raiding and VIPs

of course we would have extensive rules on it, and would be exiling anyone who went down to fuck with labs, so abuse wouldn't even be an issue

we already have independent access to ARD when the lab doors are open and raiders are inside- and as far as i can tell, its never gone wrong and we've never had a PKSF messing with labs

i can say from experience that we don't give a fuck about illegally messing with your labs, we've been not doing it for ages

[steep umbra]

in my almost two years in PKSF there's never been a case of a PKSF wandering somewhere they shouldn't be, and if there was one, we have people with the job of dealing with that

keycard abuse just does not happen in PKSF

[steep umbra]

just not at all how VIP protection works

the solution is not "blame the VIP" 💀

[steep umbra]

some VIPs just walk, but ive never seen the chairman walk into labs, always flies there

and to your other message- they don't leave the doors open for us to let us catch up, that literally never happens

[steep umbra]

ARD gets an ARD-specific card that can open the sensitive things in labs, not level 4, the default level 4 card isn't able to use most of that shit

[rapid sail]

theres some stuff level 4 cant open in labs

but for the most part we can open nearly everything

[steep umbra]

i mean the default level 4

default level 4, sc-4, and ard-4 can and can't open different things

[jolly elm]

Y’all still getting butt hurt over a card smh

[regal veldt]

damn this is still going

[kind ermine]

ye for example ARD card can't open SC room even though they're the same level

[boreal geyser]

why people so salty over a card

[soft patrol]

maybe make it so when ssomeone is being tracked by the vip tracker, pksf would be given l4 but when no one is being tracked by vip tracker it would be l3

[jolly elm]

thats just useless

we might as well use l4 as a whole

[steep umbra]

too complicated and also useless

[jolly elm]

respectfully its just a "skill issue"

thats what raiders would say

[soft patrol]

its not really complicated to implement but ok

[steep umbra]

they'd have to figure out a way to save the position of the keycard in their inventory, and then replace it right in that position with the new keycard somewhat seamlessly

it would result in us losing our keycard altogether pretty often due to bugs,

they'd also need to make preventative measures to prevent bugs when a VIP leaves the game mid tracking,

even just saving the position would be nearly impossible without the new inventory update

[regal veldt]

could just add the keycard to your inv like you have the fa card and the div card

[soft patrol]

yea

[steep umbra]

yes... lets just do that with the level 4 card automatically perhaps 😱

instead of getting all complicated for absolutely no reason 😱

[soft patrol]

l4 automatically is bad

[steep umbra]

why?

[soft patrol]

because it will make solo raiding labs close to impossible

its already hard as it is right now

[steep umbra]

it won't change it for raiders at all lmao, it'll just prevent us needing an escort to open a door, raiders usually leave those doors open regardless meaning we can get in anyway

[soft patrol]

it will change things because i can only solo raid labs when ard is afk or offline

[steep umbra]

plus restricting it to when there's VIPs will completely remove one of the main parts of the card, which is accessing labs during lab raids

[soft patrol]

but if this gets added then i could only solo raid labss when pksf and ard is offline

[steep umbra]

that might just be a you issue then

[soft patrol]

yea sorry its just a me issue for not being able to kill them for the 50th time when they keep respawnign and coming back

[steep umbra]

this wont change much for most raiders

[steep umbra]

happens with ARD and PKSF regardless when they're both online

[soft patrol]

which is why i usually dont raid solo when they are online

[steep umbra]

then if you cant handle PKSF doing their job, modify your strategy to also include not raiding solo with PKSF online

or get a bunch of other raiders to help you when PKSF are online rather than raiding solo

[soft patrol]

that only happens like once a day

[rapid sail]

is this still going

[steep umbra]

somehow

[jolly elm]

Bro this is still going on? 1587 messages and y’all are salty over a little keycard

[rapid sail]

holy fuck, touch grass

[steep umbra]

not really 💀 coordinated mass raids happen very often now

[soft patrol]

i dunno about other groups but uf only hosts a raid once a day

[steep umbra]

i see a lot of mass raiding when im on

which is why we're never on processing 😭

[jolly elm]

theres raiding everyday

[silver rapids]

What else is there to do?

Have feeling circles?

[steep umbra]

yes

thats what im trying to say lol 😭 chips was trying to say that mass raids were uncommon

[jolly elm]

I agree with this post like whats the point or allowing PKSF to go everywhere but they arent able too

[jolly elm]

Yes

[maiden pine]

Jesus Christ this suggestion has 1600 messages

[jolly elm]

Already

Jeeze

[maiden pine]

Level 4 cant access it

[rapid sail]

thought its blue

[lyric tundra]

doesent dylan have an l-5 card

[jolly elm]

He has a special card that allows him too SC have a different card unique to their division

[jolly elm]

Alr then mb i just figured that he had his own card

And maybe it can be added that they arent allowed to enter chairman bunker but because of one room thats why?

[dapper wasp]

Which door would you say isn't needed

Also I'm pretty sure Chairman himself has said we're supposed to have access to nearly the entire facility ( @steep umbra confirm for me)

[jolly elm]

Y’all still salty about a card because we are untrustworthy apparently

[dapper wasp]

SC has similar access I don't see people complaining

[tawny galleon]

SC has a card that opens everything with like 3 exceptions

And their card actually does open a lot of doors they arent even allowed to enter like EVER

[jolly elm]

And?

Chairman gave us whole access

What’s the point of protecting a VIP that’s somewhere our card can’t access and have that VIP be in danger to get us and get killed?

Are we not allowed to do our job the way it’s suppose to be done? Are we really not that trustworthy over a card in a Lego game?

[steep umbra]

yes, that's true

[dapper wasp]

yeah, we actually have permission to enter areas they can open (labs etc)

[lyric tundra]

honestly dont see why they shouldnt

[jolly elm]

When we can’t do our job no

You raiders just don’t want us to bother you

Well what’s the point of having PKSF if they can’t protect VIPS properly?

[steep umbra]

we could put posts there with his permission 🤷‍♀️ and even if that's denied, having the ability to open that place isn't the end of the world

[jolly elm]

So you’re saying the chairman is wrong? Hm

[steep umbra]

we would have harsh restrictions on it ofc

there have been situations where raiders have gotten down there and started spawn killing him before

and in that situation, we were brought down there to deal with it

he sure didn't treat it as bug abuse

[jolly elm]

How? When you all were sking a spawn point?

[steep umbra]

yes maybe 👍 and then it was his choice to bring us down there with him to kill the raiders

OK

it happened and will likely happen again

OK

regardless, having access to that room isn't the end of the world as we have restrictions on things like that, we can absolutely enter the SC room with our current card if we wanted to, but we don't because it's not allowed

same with the AIA wing

the same situation would happen for this

AIA wing under very restrictive situations

there were some ooo modifications yes

[jolly elm]

Ofc y’all get mad when PKSF wants something new but you all agree on the other divisions suggestions AIA asked for their own card to areas in suggestions everyone didn’t saying anything negative but when PKSF asked this all happened

[steep umbra]

not really 💀

[torn socket]

I agree with this

[dapper wasp]

the argument that we don't need the card because we'd use it to enter restricted areas is just dumb, most divisional cards give divisionals access to places they shouldn't be in (including ours, for stuff like the SC room), doesn't mean we wander into everything

for instance the SC card gives them unrestricted access to the entire ARD sector, you don't see people screaming to remove it from them because "it can be abused in a private server"

[idle rover]

agree

[obtuse solstice]

if pksf had l4 access we would be taught exactly where we could go

like sometimes we can reach or vips do to our cards

[torn socket]

But the card should be coded so you can’t go into the account room

[dapper wasp]

just like any division ever

[obtuse solstice]

yea, its not like we would have a problem with people going into places they cant

[torn socket]

Does any divison have a level 4 keycard

Would you guys be the first

[lyric tundra]

as stated before, divisions like sc and have l-4 divisional cards, which arent exactly the same as normal l-4, but very similar, so while theres not much difference between the divisional l-4 and normal l-4, they would technically be the first division to have a actual l-4 card if this suggestion became a thing (i think)

[jolly elm]

I aint hating on the idea i support it lol

[pearl shadow]

^

[jolly elm]

Their card is only special cause they get access to the labs, other then that it's just an L3 card.

[lyric tundra]

happy 1700 message anniversary

[jolly elm]

Fr

[white hare]

Honestly don’t see the need for PKSF to access ARD labs. For a specific example that was brought up about there being no ARD online, simply request for a few to come?? ARD is a really big division I’m sure you could get somebody online.

[jolly elm]

Just to be ignored? We ask you guys already to help us sometimes and we get no responses

[steep umbra]

yall never respond to support requests lmao

its nearly impossible to get an ARD online without an outbreak happening

[jolly elm]

Only active during checkups that’s all I seen

[steep umbra]

1700

yeesh

[jolly elm]

1710

[jolly elm]

impossible*

the only ard I see on most of the time is zoke

[wet raft]

yeah thats weird

they have like twice the membership of mdf

[dapper wasp]

No?

There would be rules on accessing everything, just like every other division has rules on accessing stuff

The same can be said for any division ever, the SC card for instance accesses a lot of things they'll never need. Unless what you're implying is PKSF aren't trusted and others are

Besides Chairman's shown the bunker on stream it's not like it's highly confidential, why are you guys so worried about that one place in particular?

[rapid sail]

have you seen anybody use :give all all

[jolly elm]

you cant even get there

your just trying to make up an excuse

its forbidden to go there

for example 0 ard on

rn and theres raiders in labs

[steep umbra]

we haven't had a keycard abuse incident in almost 2 years

[jolly elm]

You are against PKSF having a card saying they will go into restricted areas when we already don’t. But an SC who gets mod abuses that’s fine apparently

[steep umbra]

so? if it happens again, which it hasn't in nearly 2 years, we'll give punishments where they're needed and literally nothing will be permanently damaged

[dapper wasp]

I think the point you're missing here is keycard abuse is something that can happen with any division, same with tool abuse, mod abuse and all of that. Doesn't mean it happens every day, and if it does happen divisional administration will deal with it

[pearl shadow]

well spoken

[wet raft]

the current pksf card can access restricted areas already, but they dont go in because theyre smart enough not to

pksf didnt pass a multi stage academy to go in obviously restricted areas of the border

idk why youre nitpicking a generally positive suggestion when it probably wont even affect you

[dapper wasp]

W MDF right here

[worldly shuttle]

tbh this probably needs archived its all just arguing now

[jolly elm]

I hate to agree but yeah it is lol

[dapper wasp]

On the bright side it's civil

[worldly shuttle]

sometimes

[dapper wasp]

Unlike certain 5ss suggestions

[jolly elm]

We dont talk about those lol

[jolly elm]

we are like the most disciplined division you do something stupid

insta warn and if its serious exile or demotion

[jolly elm]

Its not arguing

[worldly shuttle]

well you guys arent exactly being nice always

[jolly elm]

Its just debating

[worldly shuttle]

and its not like coded is gonna read 1000 messages

[jolly elm]

As I have said before this community isnt the most friendly

He doesn't need to read it just he thumbs up and stuff

[steep umbra]

if it gets archived it'll just never happen

plus arguing always happens in this new feedback thing 💀 if the posts were removed for arguing then it'd be useless

sadly

[worldly shuttle]

they all get archived eventually

but i wont touch it for you

😎

[steep umbra]

thank u awtribe my love 😍

[jolly elm]

Exactly

[lyric tundra]

i was in the second i saw pool

hold on let me read the rest

OH HECK YEAH

[torn socket]

and random aegis

like me :D

[jolly elm]

Yes

I fall under the “random aegis”

[regal veldt]

Tbf sc in ARD labs is a very different case than pksf in there

Just isn’t needed and opens the doors to unnecessary risks. Plenty of counter points have been provided against most of the arguments from aegis and wastelanders

[dapper wasp]

Plenty of counterpoints have been provided for most of the arguments by wastelanders and aegis too, even not counting the PKSF members..even your divison head said he was fine with it

[dapper wasp]

Do tell me how in the instance i was talking about a SC is any different to a PKSF

[regal veldt]

A deputy said they were against it. I have differing opinions than other ow+ as well. While counterpoints were provided on both sides the core is still just vip protection and raiding. It’s up to the people for the update to further prove and convince why it should be implemented

And no I can’t explain the reasons why here, they’re just different

[spice crystal]

Get stuck at doors!!!!!!

[steep umbra]

in the sense that one of them is a combative division and is tasked with defending from lab raids, yes

both should have access under the different circumstances where they need to have access

[steep umbra]

these "unnecessary risks" are extremely unlikely, haven't happened in years, and are completely outweighed by the benefits that come from the keycard being added

[steep umbra]

the counterpoints from some ARD and some aegis have mostly been vague reinterpretations of "PKSF should not be trusted" which isn't a counterpoint, it's disguised divisional disrespect 😬

[jolly elm]

True and i dont understand why they arent trusted they havent provided any points supporting this claim

Or at least i havent seen these points

[regal veldt]

It’s not even div disrespect nor do I think most are saying y’all can’t be trusted, that’s just twisting words. Most just don’t see the need nor do they want pksf to be able to access that for whatever reasons they may have. There has been borderline div disrespect pretty frequently here though sadly.

1.) That’s not the sense I was talking about. Pksf gets access when they need it be through ARD or vip access.
2.) You can only assume as much as you know. There hasn’t been any violations to your knowledge. There’s been many things especially recently that the majority of aegis/DoD players did not know. It’s happened plenty of times in divisions as well to my knowledge.
3.) I’ve already mentioned it but it’s not about trust with pksf, I wouldn’t want any div to have it needlessly. I trust pksf plenty, it’s why I utilize them when I can over others along with their combat benefits, but that doesn’t mean I want them to have free access to otherwise classified areas

Yes I wrote a long thing because I hate slow mode and I’m tired

[spice reef]

div disrespect 😂

worst rule

[regal veldt]

without it relations would be a lot more shit imo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep umbra]

1. getting it through ARD access takes far too long during a raid, and getting VIP access is unreliable at best

2. in the nearly 2 years ive been in PKSF, ive seen one incident of a PKSF doing something wrong in labs, and it wasn't even keycard related- if it happened and went unreported, clearly it caused zero permanent damage or id have heard about it

3. it absolutely is a disrespectful lack of trust for most, we've had unsupervised access to your labs during raids for possibly more than 2 years (i don't even know when the rule was added) and we've never done anything bad to them outside of raid events, so why can't that access continue with an easier way to support ARD during lab raids?

[steep umbra]

one of the best rules 💀 it prevents a lot of relations issues

[spice reef]

idk abt you but it sounds kinda dumb to give a blacklist for div disrespect

[regal veldt]

How is it disrespect that I don’t want people to have free access to our labs? Is it disrespectful if AIA doesn’t want us in their section then? Or SC and their control tower? It’s just their specific areas that don’t need to/shouldn’t be freely accessed at all times. Also just because your unaware of something doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened or impacted stuff

[steep umbra]

it's disrespect that you don't trust us enough to continue doing what we've been doing for years, just because we'd have slightly more access than before

[spice reef]

thats not disrespect thats his opinion

[regal veldt]

I trust you to keep doing it, just under the same pretense you’ve been doing it

I never said you can’t go in labs

And I absolutely never said I don’t trust pksf

[steep umbra]

the pretense we've been accessing labs under is you need verbal permission sometimes, or under other classified circumstances, can enter unsupervised and unpermitted during a raid

if we need to enter the lab doors and they're closed, it's physically impossible for us to enter without glitch abuse, and so we need someone to open the door for us

nothing would change besides us no longer needing a door opener

[regal veldt]

That’s the pretense I was mentioning, someone opening a door

[steep umbra]

why should we need someone to open the door though

like what's the point in that

[regal veldt]

Cause it’s ARD labs, not pksf labs. If pksf are needed there for combat or defense, they’ll be requested, it’s the way it’s been for a while. Just because a few ARD are ignoring pksf doesn’t mean you should get a card to bypass them, the only instance you should be let in regardless of perms is vip protection imo. And in that case, you can just get ARD or the vip to escort you so there won’t be debates over when pksf can access and who can allow it and under what circumstances etc etc. Giving unrestricted access just leads to problems and aims to solve an otherwise small issue. There’s plenty of things that seem meaningless in terms of permission but they’re still done

[steep umbra]

but you just said we should continue having our lab access the exact same as it is now? which is we can enter unsupervised and without permission during escorts, but the lab doors themselves require someone to open the door

and uhh... if the lab doors are open, we don't need an escort or permission 😐 the issue is the physical door, not permissions or lack of supervision

an ARD escort is both unreliable and rarely happens as you guys ignore our pings, and a VIP escort is simply not how VIP protection works

this is the first debate over PKSF's lab restrictions in ages, you guys have been completely fine with it until the keycard came up

our permissions would stay about the same, as we'd only unlock about 3 new rooms

it's very clearly stated to PKSF exactly when you are and are not allowed into labs, the same permissions would apply regardless of whether we could open the door or not

then that's a lack of trust for PKSF

us being able to do our job will not ruin raids

[regal veldt]

I don’t even think you should be able to enter if the doors are open unless you have perms, my issue isn’t with the keycard, it’s the access that it gives. Sure you can enter unsupervised now, but in the majority of cases the doors will be closed meaning you’ll need ARD or a vip. And if the vip wants you with them enough they’ll take you into labs or ask ARD to, if they don’t then you can wait outside ARD sector in which case you’ll stop any possible raiders meaning your vip will be in even less danger

[steep umbra]

it's been that way ever since i joined and there's been no issues with it from ARD until now
unless flat has an issue with our labs perms, which as far as i know he doesn't as they are only beneficial to both ARD and PKSF, we will not be changing them just because we aren't trusted for whatever reason

again, not how VIP protection works, they will not take us with them nor leave the doors open

if they don't let us into the lab with them, then we aren't with them to cuff them to a safe location in the event a raider comes, which puts them in needless danger that we could avoid by simply being able to access the room they're in

[regal veldt]

Still didn’t say I didn’t trust you but okay. If that’s not how vip protection works maybe it needs to change or like I said just stand guard. If they feel enough need to have you with them they’ll make sure that’s how it is. + even if flat doesn’t have an issue that doesn’t mean others don’t, while flat has said he doesn’t see an issue, both i and a DHR have stated why they do see an issue

[steep umbra]

we don't have control over the actions of the VIPs, it's impossible to change whether they decide to leave us behind to catch up or not

standing guard and leaving them without a cuffer isn't a safe option, and can be easily avoided by simply giving us access to enter the room with them

its not their responsibility to take care of PKSF and wait for us to catch up and get into a lab with them while they're doing whatever it is they want to do, they will not be opening the doors for us 💀

[regal veldt]

I never said they need to take care of pksf, but if they want them badly enough they’ll take the measures to get them. Leaving them without a coffee isn’t a big deal if you can eliminate the threat before it even breaches their hallway

Cuffer *

[steep umbra]

again, that just isn't how VIPs and VIP protection work

leaving them without a cuffer is a VERY big deal as, with the nature of dod combat, there's a constant possibility that a tanky 5SS raider could wipe every PKSF there and then get full access to the VIP because no one could cuff them to a room inaccessible by the raiders

cuffing is possibly one of the biggest deals 💀

[regal veldt]

If that’s not how they work would it be such a bad thing to change or modify it? If the 5ss user took out a squad of pksf they’d just as easily take out the cuffer. Cuffing is a big deal in most situations but isn’t a big deal if you can prevent the threat completely. It is unlikely that a vip won’t have at least one pksf on them at all times, they can be the cuffer. Any stragglers who can’t get into labs can stand guard, just like excess pksf usually do

[steep umbra]

it's impossible to change how VIPs go about their gameplay

it doesn't matter if the raider takes out the cuffer, the cuffer would've already put the VIP into a safe room as soon as the raider had started cracking

for example, if we were guarding a VIP who was standing in lab 1, the cuffer would be inside the lab with the VIP while the rest of the PKSF would be guarding the door
when the outside PKSF started fighting with raiders, they'd relay to the cuffer that they need to cuff, and then the cuffer would put the VIP into the sedation room which is uncrackable and so inaccessible by raiders
by that point, doesn't matter if the cuffer dies or not, the VIP is completely and totally safe

though, if ALL of the pksf were forced to guard the door outside the lab because it was impossible for them to get in, there'd be no one to cuff the VIP into that room in the event all of the outside PKSF died

also if we can't access the lab, it's actually extremely likely that there won't be even one PKSF directly next to the VIP, as the PKSF usually have to travel in one big group, so they'd all get to a closed door at the same time

[regal veldt]

You can shoot through the glass of the room so it’s not impenetrable. And say they were in another lab or area, there’s no safe place for them to go and would therefore die shortly after. There will likely be at least 1 pksf right on a vips tail or the vip will wait for their following pksf to close a door, meaning they’ll be grouped. The only real issue run into is joining a game while a vip is in labs or not being with them in time for some reason, in which case there will likely be someone already with them and in turn someone to cuff them if needed

And no you can’t change how vips play, but you can change the expectations

[steep umbra]

the glass things true, but i believe theres a corner of the sedation room that you cant shoot at due to the angle of the window
for other labs, there are less areas to put them, but there's most likely an edge of the floor or something outside of the map itself to put them on as a last resort

for the thing about at least 1 pksf being on the vips tail, that's just not true, all PKSF run at the same speed and all PKSF start running to follow the VIP at the same time
its unreliable to expect a VIP to wait for the PKSF to close the door, most VIPs dont really do that anymore

[steep umbra]

there are no set expectations of how a VIP works with their PKSF, so there's nothing to change

also tbf they won't really give a shit what "expectations" we have for them 💀 its our job to follow them, if we cant follow them properly due to a door that we cant open, that isnt their issue to deal with

[regal veldt]

Pksf leadership can always communicate with others to talk about expectations or interactions just like divisions do with each other. A lot of the expectations just come from common practice though

[steep umbra]

asking the chairman and hicom to do things differently is FAR different from asking another division to do things differently

[regal veldt]

Considering the relation, not really. The only difference is rank. If it’s that scary or not expected to do communicate with the ao for pksf since they’re ToML as well. And certain expectations just come from certain vips as they each prefer and thereby expect different things. If pksf falls behind enough for the vip to feel the need to close a door that’s a bit weird, I know they have to react to a vip running but it normally doesn’t take that long. Just to clarify this isn’t disrespectful, just saying if pksf fall behind that much it’s that pksfs fault. I had no issue with that kinda thing when I guarded vips myself

[steep umbra]

we can't go up to hicom and the chairman with a document saying "We don't like it when you close doors on us, here's how we think you should be playing the game instead" and expect that to be taken seriously, doge

and uhh

VIPs usually close doors in the same way that you close doors, you walk through and click the scanner as you go through the door, leaving no room for PKSF to enter

[regal veldt]

Yah that sounds unprofessional, if it’s a real issue then take it up with them. If it’s not that big of one then dont ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep umbra]

yeah, go to IC and say "we think toml and chairman should be playing the game differently," that'll go well

[regal veldt]

And usually when I close a door a random operative runs through with me. I bet if they can do it so can others

I didn’t even bring up ic, what are you on about?

[steep umbra]

how do you want us to even make that happen then?

tell them directly to play the game differently? 💀

changing how hicom treat VIP protection is an impossible task, and not a solution

[steep umbra]

that'll happen if the operative runs through the door at the exact same time you do, or if the operative is laggy

we arent gonna rely on lag to solve this

[regal veldt]

Establish expectations, that’s all I said. There doesn’t need to be rules or anything, but if it’s that big of an issue bring it to attention, wether with the ao/other ToML or the vip at the time. If they don’t wanna do anything about it they don’t have to, but it might do something

[steep umbra]

you can't establish expectations with hicom and the chairman

especially not when your division is based around doing what THEY want

[regal veldt]

And a door takes time to close, even with vips closing doors others could get through and the only door you’ll have an issue with is ARD ones

[steep umbra]

yes, the most miniscule amount of time ever 💀 that's not a time window we can rely on

10x easier solution that doesnt rely on lag or half-second time windows? give us the resources to actually open the door

[steep umbra]

it isn't that big of an issue, in fact it wouldnt be an issue at all if we could simply open the door ourselves after they close it

[regal veldt]

You have resources, a vip or ARD. They work fine most of the time ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep umbra]

they do not

[regal veldt]

Alright

[steep umbra]

the VIP will not open the door most of the time, and we aren't going to make a support request for ARD so they can come open a door so we can get to our VIP

[regal veldt]

👍

[steep umbra]

VIP protection does not give you the time to pause and make a support request

and even if we had the time to make a support request, who's saying any of the ARD will actually join to open a door and then leave 💀

[jolly elm]

Then cuff them out

[jolly elm]

You came up with that so go tell chairman or IC that

[jolly elm]

ARD is inactive 🌟

[jolly elm]

Obviously can’t understand how VIP protection works

[steep umbra]

PKSF has been very active lately

😐

[silver rapids]

I only see 3-4 ingame every day

If you call that active then, we do not have similar standards

[jolly elm]

"pksf is inactive"

https://prnt.sc/CUNk1kK-l4ik

[steep umbra]

most divisions would say 3-4 in a server is average activity lmfao

[silver rapids]

I saw Dylan on yesterday and there wasn’t a single PKSF in the server

[silver rapids]

I think all of the divisions need to step it up then lol

[steep umbra]

not really thats pretty reasonable tbh

[silver rapids]

It’s kinda bad numbers when you think of it, usually 1-2 of each of those divisions is afk

Like SC, they will either be trialing or afk

[steep umbra]

not constantly, lol

[silver rapids]

Debatable

[steep umbra]

no one joins the game just to AFK for an hour unless they're faking duty states

which is a whole different problem

[silver rapids]

Well then you’ve got a problem on your hands

💀

[steep umbra]

mhm

[jolly elm]

send proof then

[steep umbra]

havent had a duty state faking issue reported in ages though

[silver rapids]

I don’t report divisionals, I’m too lazy to do such a thing while raiding lmao

[jolly elm]

then dont complain

[silver rapids]

No, I’ll still complain

[jolly elm]

True saw like 5 PKSF online today

[rapid sail]

lmfao

[stark lance]

Robloxians are professional complainers

[jolly elm]

if anything i would say pksf has been the most active lately

[rapid sail]

true

[silver rapids]

ARD

[stark lance]

its just our job

[rapid sail]

what timezone are you

[silver rapids]

CST

[jolly elm]

Both divisions have been quite active

[silver rapids]

I’m playing devils advocate go away

[jolly elm]

I’ve seen them online the most

[rapid sail]

no you arent

[jolly elm]

i was agreeing with you

[silver rapids]

I guess I’m not

[rapid sail]

you're just complaining

[dapper wasp]

There's the fact that AEGIS activity in general has taken a nosedive lately, but i generally see a reasonable assortment of most divisionals online

[silver rapids]

And I’ll continue to complain on the post that is filled with it

[stark lance]

If u want to complain

[silver rapids]

I’ll complain here

[stark lance]

simply complain about genshin

[jolly elm]

True

[silver rapids]

Genshin is just bad

[stark lance]

mf the entire community turned on them when they didnt get good stuff during 2nd anniversary

i play genshin because roblox is boring

[silver rapids]

You play Genshin because you find it fun

[dapper wasp]

You guys should consider going back to the topic of the thread

[jolly elm]

Anyways back to the topic

[autumn stream]

No divisions are really inactive. AIA is pretty inactive along with PKSF sometimes, but both of those divisions have very little people in them.

[jolly elm]

we never fucked up at all

[steep umbra]

getting very off topic

[spice reef]

why are people still talking abt this

[jolly elm]

Fr

[stark lance]

its just one keycard level above

[jolly elm]

The funny thing is we apparently aren’t trusted

But they don’t know how VIP protection works

[tawny gazelle]

Ur vip can open the door

[tawny galleon]

Not quite

Often they just fly around and its quite hard to catch them when they do that

[tawny gazelle]

Then just get jet packs

[tawny galleon]

I think getting a level 4 keycard is a lot less far fetched than a jet pack lmao

[tawny gazelle]

Jet pack is cooler

[tawny galleon]

I mean yes but it wont ever happen

[jolly elm]

Y’all can just keep making excuses you obviously don’t know how VIP protection works. We are trustworthy and you let SC down there all the time and SC mod abuses sometimes down there too don’t try denying. If you support that then idk what your problem with us is then

[tawny gazelle]

SC has supervision

[tawny galleon]

And btw the point people have been making about how PKSF could abuse a level 4 keycard, the current L3 has access to SC room, AIA wing etc.

[jolly elm]

Yeah and we have strict rules on all of that

[tawny galleon]

PKSF would be there with a VIP and have rules on it

Just like other areas PKSF already has rules on that I have never seen get broken

[jolly elm]

Exactly

[steel grove]

And what does that have to do with us? Your VIP flying around in our wing isn't our problem unless the VIP is breaking/touching something the VIP isn't supposed to. Otherwise, it isn't ARDs problem. If you lose your VIP, then that's your problem, not ours.

[tawny galleon]

Great good we agree

As to not loose the VIP we are required to open those doors

[steel grove]

Indeed.

[tawny galleon]

So you just sorta proved my point lmao

[steel grove]

Plus, just ask the VIP or any ARD to open the doors.

[tawny galleon]

Also as a sidenote the VIPs are allowed to touch what they want to touch in labs

[steel grove]

I mean, if they spam things, then no.

[tawny galleon]

What if there is no ARD and the VIPs wont open the doors for us as said often if they had to keep worrying about their PKSF not getting lost it would be more of a burden on them than help

And even if there is ARD they may be doing something else AFK etc

[steel grove]

Well.

[steel grove]

Then that is our problem. As normally 1 ARD should be in-game mostly.

[tawny galleon]

No its not as then PKSF cant access the area making us unable to do our job, and even if there is one ARD most of the time they wont come open doors as they are busy with something else

And labs is a raider hotspot so it is very beneficial for us to be able to go infront of the VIP so they dont get 1 shot

[steel grove]

I will leave the redacted things out of this. But 9/10 times if I am alone (like almost always) I am just scanning and curing people, trading with the wastelanders. And if something happens I will just request back-up.

[undone river]

why are we still arguing about this

what are yalls problems

[tawny galleon]

You just dont understand how PKSF duties work lol

[steel grove]

No, I don't. As I am ARD and never been in PKSF.

[tawny galleon]

If there is a raider in labs then its very bad if we have to wait for an ARD to make their way to labs when VIP is there with a raider

[steel grove]

I mean.

If there is a raider in labs, mostly I am there with back-up like MDF.

[tawny galleon]

And that might be you specifically although I am sure that you dont notice every single raider other ARD may not notice raiders in labs for a while

As it has happened a lot of course and I mean you dont notice every raider its that simple

[steel grove]

You know what, get whole access to the facility while you're at it.

[tawny galleon]

We do lol

Quite literally have access to everything except labs

[steel grove]

Wait.

[tawny galleon]

including SC room and AIA wing

[steel grove]

Question, why are VIPs in our labs to begin with?

Are they gonna make infections, test on their guards?

[tawny galleon]

Because they want to and they are allowed to

[steel grove]

I know they are allowed to. Just don't see why they would.

[tawny galleon]

For fun, labs is the only like interactive area in the border

[steel grove]

They gonna make FF doggies out of the PKSF?

Or they gonna experiment on you?

Maybe test out every single lab?

[tawny galleon]

What they do is probably often classified to you so its probably better I dont elaborate
But often they just see what happens if you do certain things, test new equipment, etc

[steel grove]

I mean, I always close the doors of every single lab cuz of the raiders, so I know what is in every single one of them.

But yes, even in ARD we can't see certain labs.

[tawny galleon]

I know that and I see every lab and so do other PKSF

[steel grove]

Wow. A division that has nothing to do with ARD expect some things, and knows more than the main division itself.

[tawny galleon]

Its our job to guard UCs, HICOM, and the chairman and if they decide to enter an area we go with them so of course we will see quite literally everything (provided we can actually open the door)

[jolly elm]

^

[tawny galleon]

Also "a division that has nothing to do with ARD except some things" couldnt be further from the truth lol

[jolly elm]

We legit do everything for ARD when we aren’t protecting lol

[worldly shuttle]

JETPACKKKK

also no one denies you guys should have such access but you're stuck in a situation where the L4 card is mainly for high command but there isn't a pksf-4 card unless the chairman wants to go through and add a new card which idk how easy that is

[regal veldt]

That wasn’t the point, try reading.

[regal veldt]

Not my issue, you guys are the ones complaining

[regal veldt]

Yet we still complete quotas and have the most members

[regal veldt]

I’ve protected vips soo…

[jolly elm]

have the most members but only 1 is on

[regal veldt]

There’s plenty of situations where there’s 0 of both on. There was an instance last night where ARD were the only divisionals on, and I’m betting it’s happened the other way around, no division can be on 24/7

[jolly elm]

well the upvotes say it so

[worldly shuttle]

that has nothing to do with pksf having a L4 card

try and keep the focus on the card and not where ard or pksf fall short

[jolly elm]

It does actually because if ard isnt on they cant open the doors

[worldly shuttle]

i feel like you understand my point

going "ARD is inactive 🌟" doesn't really bring anything to the conversation

[jolly elm]

^

The only reason you dont want PKSF to be able to access labs is because "we will abuse it" tbh the real reason is more of like a oh this is our area no one should enter it type thing

^

[dapper wasp]

Well it's a lot more scripting than giving us a level 4, but if we get a custom L4 that gives us access to what we want I'm sure we're all happy

It's just additional scripting that's not necessarily needed

[spice reef]

No

[dapper wasp]

No as in its not extra effort? If that's the case I'm sure everyone is happy with a PKSF L4

[spice reef]

Sorry

[grave trail]

L-1 momento

[obtuse solstice]

you know we have vips in ard right

[jolly elm]

Theres a bunch of reason why but basically every one of them are classified

[jolly elm]

just vips

Basically just hicom doing hicom stuff

[graceful phoenix]

1. PKSF needs this for obvious reasons (Following VIPs, and other duties related to areas with restricted access)
2. Why the fuck are divisionless people and raiders saying no, and talking here at all, especially when this suggestion is mostly insignificant and the only people it affects are PKSF

[spice reef]

it affects raiders as well

[graceful phoenix]

how so? So we can actually get somewhere you'll be 5ss camping anyway?

[spice reef]

how many times do i have to say

i dont own the 5ss

[graceful phoenix]

My point is: Why can't we open the doors to rooms we're allowed in

[graceful phoenix]

also my bad g

[spice reef]

raiders can say no as they have experience with that stuff, idk about non divs theyre kinda sped

[lyric tundra]

pksf should just crack ard lab doors ez

also why in the world is a division getting a better card to acess an area they can already go in without perms the most controversial suggestion in the world

[graceful phoenix]

cause it apparently is a giant buff

[lyric tundra]

lol

[silver rapids]

Be careful you might get striked for hate speech💀

[graceful phoenix]

I don't want to get political here or anything

but we should blame ARD for not being active enough in the first place to open the labs for us

[lyric tundra]

LOL

[graceful phoenix]

(This is a joke if someone couldn't tell)

[jolly elm]

isnt it in your guidelines your allowed to go into labs?

[lyric tundra]

dod politics

[rapid sail]

legal disclaimer

[graceful phoenix]

we can go literally everywhere but certain areas like SC room

[jolly elm]

Bruh

I am guessing you have strict rules on the areas you cant go into so why not lol

[rapid sail]

raiders acting like the keycards are a gameplay element meant to nerf divisionsl

[lyric tundra]

i have never seen pksf in labs even with a bunch of ard on though weird lol

[graceful phoenix]

not every PKSF can just go in there like it's their home too

[lyric tundra]

oh lol

[graceful phoenix]

it's classified (probably the most classified externally)

[jolly elm]

Dang u got smacked with the classified

[rapid sail]

i mean anybody whos in a division can deduce what it is

[tawny galleon]

Because its not classified to divisionals lol

[graceful phoenix]

well yeah

[rapid sail]

and mercs