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[grizzled crater]

r8b4 has a trigger that spawns 2 extra triggers for the 2nd t scan

e2 is ending

[pale dock]

OH riight the t scan in b4

[grizzled crater]

just use cconsole

and use „worldeventgizmo“

or smth like that

it will show all this

[pale dock]

why would u say thiis to me

[grizzled crater]

Tutorial has it too

[pale dock]

me, the prime geforce now user

of thiis server

[dusk star]

When slendo gets a pc he will become the best GTFO player

[quartz rune]

big if true

[winged charm]

u can even skip the eventgizmo in tutorial

[stark crag]

which?

[winged charm]

last one that triggers the ending alarm

after u finish the alarm, open the door but instead of running

by jumping on a few boxes slightly on the right side

u can jump over the trigger and end tutorial with no enemies on u

[stark crag]

I will have to run around with cconsole and check the eventgizmo

that is really funny

[stark crag]

yup just found the skip

just jump on top of the Nyxos tanks

jump over the eventgizmo

that's amazing

[trim grove]

I think we were looking for out of bounds or something and tgb found that

[stark crag]

that's such a simple skip to do too, hilarious

I can replicate it with relative ease

it sure doesn't look like you are supposed to be able to jump over that eventgizmo trigger but you can

[void prawn]

R6D4's wiki page is wrong aswell, doesn't mention anything about the second checking before picking up last data cube

[trim grove]

wdym

oh checkpoint

[void prawn]

yeah sorry, it doesn't mention the checkpoint on the door to enter zone 411

[dark citrus]

[[R6D4]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R6D4

[stark crag]

Somehow I thought this page was way more updated than it was

[rocky wolf]

bots page:

• they CAN pick up GREEN glowsticks in r7, but not yellow glowsticks everywhere else
• they also won't pick up LRFs

[dusk star]

I’ve had it before in R8A1 where they picked up glowsticks too

[rocky wolf]

with the little bit of experimentation i've done tonight i really don't think i believe you lmfao
maybe something was up that made them do it but
a vanilla bot walked by this locker that had yellow glowsticks (in r8a1) like 50 times and didn't do anything
and i swap a lock melter into it and it instantly picks it up

[dusk star]

#gtfo-related-questions message

Mfw media isn’t found anywhere losing my pic of it 😔

[rocky wolf]

you mentioned running zombified initiative which could make them pick them up anyway

[dusk star]

Yea but darksaid did say that they can pick it up

But yea I might’ve been running it at the time

[rocky wolf]

they can definitely pick up green glowsticks in vanilla
but they don't seem to be able to pick up yellow ones
which since they're the majority would make sense why it was put on the wiki page as shown above

so technically darksaid isn't wrong
people have seen them pick up glowsticks, and told them to throw them
but for some reason they don't pick up yellows

[dusk star]

Oh yea mb think it might’ve been a green one, thought there was only one colour

[dark citrus]

Have you tested it with Red and orange ones aswell?

Ik they are No longer accessable and irrelevant, but am curious If there is a difference in the Logic Here aswell

[pale dock]

i had them pick gloowis n r1c2 once

bots just grabbin glowies is suuupe rare

[jolly yarrow]

fwiw

[dusk star]

is this % chance to pick it up?

[zenith jolt]

Yes

[rocky wolf]

it's super rare cause they won't pick up yellows in vanilla lol
trust
go into vanilla rn with cconsole, try find a box with yellow glow sticks, walk past it a bunch with a bot
they won't pick it up
do the same with a box with LRFs
they won't pick it up
do it with a box of lock melters
they'll grab it as soon as they get close enough
do the same with a box with green glowsticks in r7
will do the same as lock melters
it's not hard to get the bots to pick up an item when they're not carrying on, they just need to get close enough to its box
they will not pick up yellow glowsticks in vanilla

[dusk star]

@stark crag wiki page is way to fucking nice for R5B2

you should say like

how much of a torture mission it is

[stark crag]

Are you doing it right now

[dusk star]

🥀

[trim grove]

just get the 18 second time guys

[dusk star]

stfu frosty

[trim grove]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-fish-bones-dead-fish-skull-reaction-man-im-dead-bone-fish-gif-53593978314001323

[zenith jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-speech-speech-bubble-gif-15216029234956668966

[fallen vessel]

I think the wiki should try to be mostly opinion free
Imagine a new player wants to look up some details on a mission and they find 3 paragraphs of someone complaining about it

[dusk star]

nah i was like half trolling

[stark crag]

Expedition Advisories are only for exceptionally notable levels like R2E1 to tell players to skip to R3

And then I have another for R3D1 which I can probably move to Trivia that the level is super widely regarded as one of the game's best levels as it isn't too long and tests a team in multiple ways

[stark crag]

@verbal knot are you editing bug wiki page at the moment?

[verbal knot]

No not yet

Until random confirms it works 100% I won't be adding the AMD fix in

[dusk star]

i mean it works for me

[verbal knot]

Well, you guys seems to still be hashing things out over in modded so I'm waiting to see if it's good yet

[jolly yarrow]

well random doesn’t have an affected card so

[dusk star]

nah like its finalized

[verbal knot]

kk

I'll add it then @stark crag

[stark crag]

alrighty

[verbal knot]

added in

[stark crag]

What I want you to do is keep messing around with settings to get it as close to vanilla appearance as possible

[dusk star]

you kinda cant ngl, it gets thicker at the end

[copper musk]

in terms of thickness kinda not possible due to the drawing method I'm using

I can get it to be identical if I wanted to put more time into it, but for now its good enough.

its "pracitcally" identical to vanilla

[pale dock]

i paiid for it and i can do adjustments

[stark crag]

Yeah for the moment I’m just glad there’s something, I don’t have an affected card. A bit later I’d like to see if that we could get it as close as possible to vanilla

[dusk star]

i guess i could get it kinda average but yanno id need to check with another pc how thick it is

[stark crag]

it’s functional for the time being

[dusk star]

i wonder what happens if you run it with a non affected card

[copper musk]

you definitely can if you just create an actual mesh then spline it and stick a shader that always renders on top - this is just using debug lines to draw on top of everything lmfao so its all screenspace (hence thickness not scaling with depth/fov properly)

[verbal knot]

double lines I imagine?

I believe random's method would be to just make new trace lines rather than replace the old ones

[dusk star]

i wonder if this could be used to like get it close ish

colour new lines blue as an example

and trail and error it till its like close ish

[verbal knot]

I can get a look at it later and see

[copper musk]

pretty much - its often easier to create from scratch rather than to modify, debug and fix existing code 😉
especially since I do not have an affected card making debugging the existing code near impossible

[stark crag]

thank you random

[dusk star]

lowkey yea life saver

[copper musk]

someone was bound to do it eventually, whether it was me or @jolly yarrow or someone else
just a matter of time 😛

[queen void]

can we have a fact check for internal vector update for back multiplier?

yesterday we were talking about solo stealth giant and the wiki said that the vector only updates after the animation finishes, but at least according to tru and sky they update mid-animation

this is significant because it makes the recommended strategy for solo stealthing giant as client and host different

[stark crag]

does that page also mention the back multiplier alignment is in several instances misaligned, namely with Hybrids

[queen void]

it does mention that

[stark crag]

OK good because that is one of the pages I most certainly have not touched

[pale dock]

the animation doesnt updaye the x2 weakspot until it finishes
whoever, knife has its own back multi

that one does update in 'real time' i believe

which is why its so inconsistwnt and if thr gisnt twirls ur about fucked

[queen void]

yeah this is just about back multiplier

which tru does say it updates mid-anim

[pale dock]

idk playing i kinda identified it until the end

bat gaminf

[queen void]

waiting for anim to finish is risky for client cause of ping

[stark crag]

clearly the solution is to use EnemyAnimationFix

but yes having this documented would be preferable

[pale dock]

me when

[dusk star]

Omg @pale dock new pfp

🔥

[trim grove]

i don tthink so?

maybe

[dark citrus]

What am i even looking at

[dusk star]

A cellular device surely

[ancient depot]

maybe i'm a brick but u get it

and another example but here first charge is kinda lashed

[dusk star]

@stark crag couldn’t one just check with cconsole?

[grizzled crater]

or any other dmg check mod yes

even better if it shows enemy hitbox/turnbox

[dark citrus]

Whats the context?

[ancient depot]

back multi for giants updates mid animation

instead of end animation

[dark citrus]

Huh? In your cases you Update the hitbox by baiting the melee animation

Its Not one continuous Animation, but two seperate ones, and between them its updated

[ancient depot]

no i mean while spin is going back multi is updated

cuz otherwise i would've broke limb

like I hit before spin ends so during the first animation

but like limb doesn't break so it updates mid thing

[dark citrus]

Mmm i See what you mean now

[ancient depot]

ye

[dark citrus]

here i think i got about the same timing you did, and i got the same full back bonus without moving my ass

i think you just got weird limb reg

[dark citrus]

in this one you defo did get the back bonus

[ancient depot]

how do u turn on hp in cconsole

[dark citrus]

markenemies

[ancient depot]

ty

ONE sec

okay i UNDERSTAND it now

the window timing is just tighter than on non spin animation

[dark citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/i-understand-it-now-lethal-shooter-gif-13384594995304662997

[trim grove]

It would be easier to test with knife no?

[ancient depot]

knife fucks with other multis

[trim grove]

Or bat

[ancient depot]

like u always get back damage as long as animation didn't finishj

at least in my experience

but your window barely allow you to break limb on spin

[dark citrus]

hammer is the most consistent. no whack ass extra damage calc with knife nor pepega bat hitbox

6 damage is 6 damage, if hitbox were to move it would be under 6

[ancient depot]

ig it's just placebo

where you roll spin and you undercharge / hit late

so you assume it's not there

https://tenor.com/view/my-apologies-cheese-kitty-cat-sorry-my-bad-gif-1026852287997442026

[dark citrus]

just dont be a host

[ancient depot]

ye on client it doesn't matter

idt hitbox updates like at all unless host looks at it

[dusk star]

Ok wait so team does hitbox update on host or not?

[trim grove]

Killing a giant with host cull is like scratching ur balls

[dusk star]

Scratching ur balls feels good tho

[ancient depot]

no

after animation finishes

[dusk star]

Ok

[quartz rune]

shadow scout wiki page

probably meant to say "Guns with a powerful flashlight, such as the Sniper or Hel Rifle, can also work to fix the visibility issue"

[pale dock]

probs :3

[stark crag]

Use the shadow page for ref

[quartz rune]

[[Shadow]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Shadow

[trim grove]

no closing bracket

[quartz rune]

guns with a powerful

[hardy sail]

0WXTO-1PDYV Incase someone still needs it. This is the code for R8A2 Secundary for the this week 😉

[pale dock]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[dusk star]

https://aurirex.github.io/A2Password/

[hardy sail]

interesting websites

funny that the passwords are predetermined

[dusk star]

I think it’s a algorithm

And they just reverse engineered it

@tidal matrix ¿

[tidal matrix]

pretty much, it's based on date - I did get some of the date stuffs wrong I think so it's not always correct (hence the addition of the previous and next) lmao
I think andocas' is correct more often

[stark crag]

Hi Auri

[hardy sail]

there im sitting thinking yay i got the code THE NORMAL WAY and then there are theese nerd tools for it xDD

[dusk star]

:3

[tidal matrix]

I mean, getting it normally once is completely fair; after that it just kinda becomes a chore

[stark crag]

Getting the code the normal way is suuper tedious every week you want it

[dusk star]

It’s ok you made the archive which makes up for it

[stark crag]

Moth makes bad packets

[dusk star]

Frfr

Auri did you fix the issue I had?

[tidal matrix]

the friends one? no

[dusk star]

😔😔😔

[tidal matrix]

(remind me another time, I keep forgetting :p)

[dusk star]

:3

[hardy sail]

kinda sad that the devs still didnt manage to figure out the checksum problem on some of the missions.

and probably wont fix it anymore ^^

[dusk star]

Wasn’t that for old amd cpus?

[hardy sail]

how comes tho that some mission do have this issue tho and others dont

[dusk star]

All missions are different

@stark crag prolly knows more about it

[stark crag]

There is that mod that allows amd users to ignore checksum

[tidal matrix]

considering it's a specific hardware issue, doubt there's much that actually can be done

[hardy sail]

yes i figured that out already ^^

[dusk star]

Same with liquid bug

I’ve never gotten it

Others need mod

[verbal knot]

It's hardware dependant afaik

[dusk star]

Yea that’s what I meant

[quartz rune]

[[R5C3]]

uh

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R5C3

[quartz rune]

slow ass bot

[dusk star]

:3

[quartz rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265636854431219772/1297946528643809385/silly.gif

[quartz rune]

[[R1A1]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R1A1

[pale dock]

[[R2B4]]
is based

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R2B4

[brave rivet]

just ping @real rose every week

[dark citrus]

just realised that the wiki doesnt mention that you can also get the code in E2

[[R8A2]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R8A2

[stark crag]

where

[zealous bay]

The wiki🎣

[dark citrus]

kraken fight

[stark crag]

in going back over here I now understand why Snatchers dont work here

the navmesh about halfway into Alpha One is spamming the console with errors

So where am I looking in here

[pale dock]

the terminal

works the same way

input command and and it appears

after some mins

[stark crag]

let me just uh put on borkencellgeofix real quick

yep it fixes the navmesh in Alpha One

So it looks like the MAIN_WASTE_FLUSH command gives you the first half of the password when executed

man, borkencellgeofix is a genuinely huge performance increase on R8E2

[dusk star]

guh what does this fix?

[dark citrus]

broken cells

[dusk star]

yea but how would that be performance increase?

[dark citrus]

by there not being a fuck n of error messages

[dusk star]

fair enough

hmm me when i install friendly fire mod and it spams host with error messages

[stark crag]

R8E2 has over 11600 borken cells

it is the highest I have ever seen

[dusk star]

Listen here, buddy . GTFO is the pinnacle of flawless game design🫃 . ZERO bugs🐛 . Not a single one🚫. Every enemy spawn? Perfectly timed . Every door🚪 ? Opens like it was handcrafted by Swedish🇸🇪 door artisans. You think you saw a glitch? WRONG . That was an immersive emergent gameplay feature . Enemy floating through the air✝️ ? That’s called aerial intimidation tactics . Got stuck in geometry? Congratulations👏 , you just found a tactical cover position . This isn’t a game — it’s a work of art🖌️ , polished so smooth it could be used as a mirror🪞 . 10/10 , no bugs🚫 🐛 , only features🦐 , stay mad, dont @ me .

[stark crag]

running BCGF prevents the console from screaming in the background, and my frame rate definitely sees a significant improvement as a result

[dusk star]

:3

[stark crag]

you can test this with cconsole, you cannot teleport to the latter half of Alpha One anywhere, because the navmesh is invalid

but with BCGF, you can do so as you should, since it is within bounds and a normally playable surface

[dark citrus]

too bad i cant run use it in speedruns

[stark crag]

yeah, that is unfortunate but it's nice that we have this fix available

everyone in the lobby must be running BCGF (with LGTuner just to be safe, MTFO can remain off) since it's cleaning up all of those borken cells or you get checksum kicked

[manic comet]

ohhh

bit david hasselhoff that...

[dark citrus]

Truly worthy being Dokumented on the Wiki page

[humble marsh]

need to make a wiki page for the wheel with a screenshot of every possible combination

[dark citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strange-doctor-strange-stephen-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-marvel-gif-15816408

1,328 possible combinations

[real rose]

Honestly? I would love to see that

Not every combination but at least a list of every challenge

[stark crag]

@dark citrus which Kraken has the tongue attack if you fly up to it in cconsole?

[dark citrus]

but i think its some datamined stuff that is not in the game

[stark crag]

@jolly yarrow

Thank you for this footage

[real rose]

smash

[stark crag]

That footage seems to be the R6D1 Kraken

In R8E2

[jolly yarrow]

from the datablocks, there are four krakens. but in game only 3/4 are used

[pale dock]

what dooes the 4th do

[jolly yarrow]

i haven’t looked at it

[pale dock]

:[

[jolly yarrow]

it annoys me how densely complex (and jank) that enemy is

[zenith jolt]

He can lick?

[humble oracle]

<@&408548765599793173> here too,

[calm star]

For each expedition page, I'm trying out having a single Media section with

• Map
• Video Guide
  as tabs, rather than having separate sections for each. I'm also doing something similar with a Notes section that will contain the
• Strategy
• Bugs
• Trivia
  tabs (if that information exists).

I've only added it to R2E1, you can compare it to R2D1 (I haven't changed it yet) to see if the change looks good or not. I think applying this change makes the page a lot less clunkier, if it looks good I could start applying it to the other expedition pages as well. Let me know what you guys think.

[quartz rune]

i fw it lowkey, @stark crag should check it out too though

[humble marsh]

i like the media part

[calm star]

If yall have any other suggestions lmk as well, I've just been trying to figure out if theres a way we can get each expedition page's layout to be a little more consistent haha

Since some pages the Map Section is before the Resources Section , sometimes vice versa, etc., as well as the Trivia/Bugs/Strategy/Advisory sections being in random spots, etc.

[quartz rune]

i do really like the layout changes; one thing we could make more consistent is the method of writing used throughout the pages

r2e1 is very formal throughout which i like and i think suits the wiki as a whole

whereas the r2d1 (the strategy section in particular) comes off as more unprofessional?

i’d be more than willing to rewrite or rephrase full wiki pages so their use of language is consistent if people want to like, flag pages which have a lot of informalities

(this is not like directed towards you in any way btw its just something that i figured i should bring up at some point)

[trim grove]

In about 1.5 weeks i can help out with some of the pages

R2D1's strategy page

All tools could have an use 🥀

[quartz rune]

its so bad zlawg 😭

just say foam isnt recommended

[calm star]

Ya I def agree there's a lot of stylistic/tone inconsistencies across different pages, though I typically don't edit/write parts of the wiki that isn't just direct info, besides trying to move it around and organize it and stuff. I do think sometimes there's information that would be more "opinionated" than I would like lol

[quartz rune]

plug all cells immediately but uh, this NATURALLY doesnt apply to the last cell

[trim grove]

The wiki should not really be opinionated and should more be based on objective truth and such

[humble marsh]

some gennys are only a team scan

[quartz rune]

exactly

[trim grove]

"I think heavy ar is good for this level"

unfort

[quartz rune]

there’s not a way to tell what will happen when you plug a cell

dude the guy who wrote the strategy section loves the word “naturally”

id be so down to revamp pages

[calm star]

I def think the weapons description could use some revamp too for the descriptions

[trim grove]

[quartz rune]

amazing strategy lmfao

naturally

[quartz rune]

hel revo 🥀

[[Hel Revolver]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Hel_Revolver

[calm star]

LOL I was just looking at that haha

"However, the devil is in the details. "

[trim grove]

WHAT IS THIS INFOMERCIAL

[quartz rune]

LMFAO

i think it used to be worse

[trim grove]

Who tf wrote this

[humble marsh]

penning your teammates into an enemy isnt a waste of ammo 🔥

i love that paragraph tbh

[trim grove]

Boutta look at the history

I have no idea who this is

We aint rping in here lil bro

[humble marsh]

imagine penning your teammate and a big shooter 🤤

[quartz rune]

🥺

wish that was me

[trim grove]

they were the same one who wrote this lmao

what a weirdo

[quartz rune]

wasn’t there one that talked about the fourth shell being stored in dimension or smth

[humble marsh]

lmaoo

[trim grove]

would you believe who made this edit

[quartz rune]

who

also i found the edit i was thinking of

is it like slendi or smth

or tru?

whomst

[trim grove]

Their name is HotMess

[quartz rune]

oh yep

[trim grove]

idk who that is

[quartz rune]

😭

fuck off bro

[humble marsh]

mfw i store all my ammo in a pocket dimension

[quartz rune]

HotMess again

[lean tapir]

why not just send all the sleepers there too

[quartz rune]

i store my ammo up my ass

thats actually the lore reason why the prisoners dont start out with max ammo

[lean tapir]

the game is so unrealistic!!!! i should be able to chuck the matter wave projector at pablo and send him to nirvana!!!!!!

[quartz rune]

because the extra space is just up there

and the warden is too much of a bitch to put a few spare mags in there

[lean tapir]

cfoam...

[quartz rune]

yeppers

[[R5C3]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R5C3

[limber canopy]

is it perchance me that wrote that lmao (my point is if you have extra tool in the mine deployer for some reason this is probably the last time you can kind of use them)

[limber canopy]

if im indirectly suggesting to shove tool in the mine deployer that is probably not what i meant

unless im completly mistaken and that's not R2D1

[humble marsh]

[[R2D1]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R2D1

[calm star]

okay @quartz rune or whoever else would like to edit, here's a list of the expeditions that have a strategy section, and I would say most if not all of them probably could use an edit.

While I think having a strategy section, especially on more challenging expeditions, is very helpful, there's a lot of non essential stuff that probably shouldn't be included. Having only a few highly impactful tips/strategies in that section is probably the best; more vague/broader tips that are applicable in other similar situations, as well as smaller tips, probably should not be included (e.g. "all tools have a use", referring to how to use a terminal, how to stealth, etc.).

We probably don't want a wall of text in that section, maybe smaller tips could be included in the objective section? Up to yall however you guys would see fit, I'm not experienced enough to actually know what's actually really useful and what's not.

Any expedition not listed here don't have a strategy section; if you got some very useful tips/clear strategies for the expeditions that don't have it, feel free to add it as well.

• All of R1

• R2C2

• R2D1

• R2D2

• R3C1

• R3D1 (used to be expedition advisory, relabeled trivia)

• R4D2

• R5A1

• R5A2

• R5A3

• R5C1

• R5C3

• All of R6 except CX and D4

• R7A1-B3

• All of R8

[dusk star]

”For the first alarm leading to Zone 606, one can simply put the sentries over the cliff near the door, as they have flexible vertical range.
For the next alarm leading to Zone 609, the same strategy can be applied.”

R2D1 seems a bit off the marks ngl, sentries don’t have that great vert range and its better to place at bottom of stairs

Point 5 also seems like it needs some rewriting

[limber canopy]

Well I thought I wrote that strategy section but that doesn’t feel like something I would’ve written

[dusk star]

🤷‍♂️

[limber canopy]

I point the blame at @pale dock

[dusk star]

That’s what I wudda did

[limber canopy]

I may or may not have a thing written up on my laptop from 6 months ago for r6cx….

[dusk star]

@stark crag could prolly do R6D3

[limber canopy]

That already made unless it needs a revision

[quartz rune]

heard :3

[stark crag]

Strategy sections have been entirely done by Slendi to my knowledge, I have had concerns about page length or the outright necessity at times because some missions very straightforward in the literal and figurative sense but ultimately have opted to not touch them at present

R7E1 comes to mind regarding page length

[dark citrus]

the verticality really is not the issue. Its just a bit far if you want them to carry you through the alarm

for a supporting cover it is more than enough tho

[dusk star]

That’s sniper tho rite?

[dark citrus]

no

thats the burst

[dusk star]

Nvm I’m pluh

[pale dock]

i think yall should edit the wiki if u wanna edit a section i wrote

cuz most of what ive written has been MONTHS ago

and i dont remember anything anymore of whay ive done

if u dont like how long it id or how it is formatted or how it... exists which is fair

everyone can edit the wiki

so at any point, any of u can edit the strat section of a page if you dont find it correct

[pale dock]

in short, im not doing wiki homework, i edit the wiki out of liking to do so

[stark crag]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-credits-movie-hasbro-ending-gif-4095300824521747557

[pale dock]

and if i stopped liking editing the wiki, i wont do it

[calm star]

ya don’t really mean to blame or point fingers (sorry if it felt that way), i just think some feedback was brought up regarding those sections. i don’t wanna discourage anyone from editing, we’ve got few enough editors as it is 😭

[verbal knot]

I can edit in really poorly thought out strategies

Which will probably kill like 25% of runs

And make 50% of them significantly harder than they need to be

[quartz rune]

evil gtfo wiki

[[R2D1]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R2D1

[dark citrus]

it would be so funny if in strategies sections would be just strats for speedrunning

[stark crag]

Take Mines for R5D1 it’s such a good idea

[quartz rune]

[[R6C1]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R6C1

[bold flint]

[[Tutorial]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial?action=edit&redlink=1

[bold flint]

💔

[dark citrus]

[[training]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Training

[pale dock]

its ok, i get that u want to be cleaner
what u should do is give us an example so we can decide how it would we better and how to do it too

[verbal knot]

(is strategy even necessary)
(Like we already tell people where to go)

[quartz rune]

to be honest i think strategy sections are a good thing to have

they dont add clutter so long as they're well organized and they can help less competent teams with making correct decisions

as long as the information provided is concise and specific to the level (not just general information) i think the strategy section is a good idea

[stark crag]

it goes on the very bottom of the pages because anywhere else it looks really redundant

bc of yaknow the whole main part of the page just stating the structure of the level

[pale dock]

structure and strat can be quite diff, no one tells u that for a cerrtain r8 level 2 foams is the play

[dark citrus]

what is the point of the strategy section if at the end there is a scalergoober video slapped in lmao

[verbal knot]

Afaik scaler gives good strategy info right

Like it's not like it's incredibly terrible

It's fine for most of them

[quartz rune]

idk, i feel like summarized information can be nice to have presented right next to it

why not both is all im wondering

esp with the consolidated tabs that you can flip through now

[calm star]

i think having a strategy section in text is pretty nice, i'm not sure how many people are actually watching the full video, and idealy the strategy section should contain the most important tips rather than a full "walkthrough" like what scaler does

[pale dock]

some guides r a lil outdated

and some others could dwelve into more details

oor add stuff

[dark citrus]

honestly, the strategy section should be just their own page. 80% is all the same prep work#

only outlyers should be on the actual level page

[pale dock]

82/3 strat pages doesnt sound ideal

[dark citrus]

no, one single page for all missions

on how to foam dors with mine etc

[pale dock]

well that exists within the tools or guns pages but the strat parts of a lvl dont tell u that
theygo on about how to go for an alarm or what tools to bring to a lvl usually

or wheere to hold if need be

[calm star]

i think having a general strategy page could be pretty useful, closest thing we have to that is the how to play page but that's a little bit too intro level

[stark crag]

you know something we don't have is stamina resetting on stamina page

that is quite strategy oriented

[quartz rune]

ooh yes

would help keep the clutter out of the individual strategy sections

[calm star]

now im thinking about it, perhaps we only have a strategy section for more difficult expeditions, or expeditions that play very differently than the typical levels

i think simple levels like r1a1 probably dont need one

[quartz rune]

most a/b tiers probably dont necessitate a strategy section yeah

[quartz rune]

one thing i will say is the majority of the information on r1a1 could be ported to the general strategy page

and then just have a link to the general strategy page at the bottom

[calm star]

ya that could be good

[quartz rune]

bc most new players are pretty clueless to the mechanics of the game

[limber canopy]

i think it would be nice for newbies to be able to go straight to the part they're having trouble with by scanning the text for the zone number they're struggling with instead of skipping through a 15+min video until they find the spot they are struggling with, though obviously the video can do a better job at explaining since it has visuals with the map

[dusk star]

@quiet shuttle

[quiet shuttle]

Ahhhh

[stark crag]

Hi @calm star, please don't move the Trivia and Known Bugs section on Wiki pages all the way down to the bottom and hide them behind tabs with the strategy section. I very purposefully put them next to the Objectives section especially in cases where missions are very prone to bugs and the proper links to fixes and extra details are provided. I am going through now and moving them back because visibility on these is important, especially on R5D2 as one major example

This is admittedly something that we used to do on Fandom but people never scrolled all the way down unless they were to comment, so I elected to change this for wiki.gg for higher chance people saw it and can run the fixes to have a much more stable gameplay experience which is all the more commonplace now in LFGs (and also because there is no comment section now)

(As an example of that, R7C2 Fandom Known Bugs section)

If you are to move sections though, I would also request you clean it up in source which I am doing now for the ones that were definitely justified (like the R3D1 move)

I also still need to make a lot of edits to the R7C2 page because it's from a raw draft of mine from fandom and it needs significant updates to modern wiki syntax

so I would request nobody else edit that page until further notice when I push a big update to it (just let me know if you are)

My current wiki backlog has about... like 30 bugs or so right now that I haven't added and need to understand more about before I feel confident enough to actually have an entry about it with the levels relevant to it if applicable and that is where I am having the modded community help me understand the under the hood part so I can explain that to regular players

two examples of this are the elevator drop torso flashlight and reload cancel flashlight misalignment and shrink bugs. These two apply to every level so they can go on bug wiki page

I do really appreciate the work on expedition enemy tables though, I knew that needed to get done

[verbal knot]

Did you revert all of it cause I didn't see it on the history for wiki.gg

[stark crag]

it's in progress

I just did R7C3, R3D1 (cleanup in source), and R7B1 so far

if the game wasn't so riddled with stuff that ends up being in our technical support forum I'd feel different about it, because standard wiki convention DOES have Trivia dead last alongside page categories beyond that and comment section

but the way this game is, people are gonna want to know about those and if it is something new, to know to come visit tech support forum

[calm star]

ooh okay, i thought it would look cleaner at the bottom

[stark crag]

no yeah I totally get why you'd think that

I've worked on wikis where that is the case

[full yew]

Here the wiki is mostly cared for and curated by a handful of very dedicated and passionate people, they put some insane work on it...

[verbal knot]

Mostly these days its Void

[calm star]

also you mean the source text itself right?

[stark crag]

yeah there was a lot of empty space in source from when you moved stuff on R3D1 so if the page needs to be edited later I just cleaned that up real quick is all

I do agree with that change to have it be trivia

(I don't usually source edit either unless hyperlinks or templates break)

meanwhile Slendi always source edits like a maniac

[calm star]

ya i definitely should keep the spacing consistent haha, i usually don't think about how many spaces and i just add a few

[verbal knot]

You need me to help out with that sort of thing or are you good editing those things on your own void

[calm star]

i can help revert in a bit

[stark crag]

Just did R7C2 reversion (and adding more hyperlinks to chip away at the edits that page needs)

I am on R5A1 right now reverting that one because it's kind of become the template page for the expeditions as a whole

I pointed @quartz rune to that page for modernizing wiki syntax and the level of detail to be precise, and avoid being verbose while still highlighting important details

[calm star]

r5a1 didn't have any bugs right? or wait you want the trivia section up top as well?

[stark crag]

I am not fully reverting for the record-- the enemy table updates are good as well as a couple tidbits that were moved to Trivia that indeed have a home there

[stark crag]

same place because some trivia are the bugs on some levels (in particular R7E1) so I'd like to keep them next to each other or even combined if they are that closely related

The trivia + bug on R7E1 btw is the curious case of the PMom just past the Room Scan to Alpha Two (some players may never see her even though she is always there on elevator drop and they may wonder why they got the pmom achievement for free)

[verbal knot]

Yeah it's better for you to do it at your pace then

Gl

[stark crag]

R5A1 has been partially reverted. I'd like the current state of that page to be the standard framework we base expedition pages on

The media section tabber is a great idea, I'm not opposed to that

[[R5A1]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R5A1

[calm star]

sounds good, i can help as well to revert the pages

mainly i was trying to get the pages layout consistent initially, sometimes the map was in different sections, as well as the trivia/bugs so i unified it at the bottom

[stark crag]

Current targets to check:

R2E1
R7E1
R5E1
R5D2
R5D1
R5C2
R5B3
R8D1
R8E2
R8C2
R8B4 
R8B3
R8B2
R8A2
R8E1
R8C1
R8B1
R8A1
R7D2
R7D1 (this is another big one, since it's unfortunately prone to a lot)
R7C1
R7B3
R7B2
R7B1
R7A1
R6D4
R6D3
R6D2
R6D1
R6CX
R6C3
R6C2
R6C1
R6BX
R6B2
R6B1
R6AX
R6A1```

[stark crag]

You are totally right with this and it's not a wrong mindset at all, like a good portion of what you did is fine

The main part is the trivia and bugs since that's definitely something people link the wiki for and want to see if they encounter an oddity and we are one step ahead and already have it documented

enemy tables are all done from what I can tell

I am going to single out a select handful since I know what extra documentation they have already elevates their level of importance to focus on first: R7E1, R7D1, R6CX, R6D4, R8B4, R8D1

[calm star]

okay, for pages that have both a bugs and trivia section, you would prefer it to be two individual sections, on top of each other? so itll be Objectives, then Bugs, then Trivia, and then Resources? Or would it be okay to combine bugs and trivia into one "section" with tabbers?

[stark crag]

If a page has a Trivia and a Bugs section that can't reasonably be combined, Trivia goes first, then Bugs

Order should be Objectives, Trivia, Bugs

Trivia is going to be more expanded on especially for R8 levels (R8B4 is the first like this) so it'll inevitably be bigger than the Bugs section on those so that's why that order

R2E1 which I see you just edited is another example of this, I went through and combed OG R2E1 footage and got several accounts on how the level worked because it's an infamous level in the community and both OG and ALT R2E1 function significantly different than each other in a multitude of ways despite having the same mission flow

---

When we migrated from Fandom, I didn't want to be just "Fandom but with typos fixed and more information", I wanted a strategic focus that shows how dedicated the playerbase at the core really is to have a stable vanilla experience with integrity, along with easily accessible resources to mitigate bugs and concise level information as a comprehensive archive to ensure GTFO is a well documented title that welcomes anyone willing to try out the game.

That is what I believe our core mission statement is in our modern format

[calm star]

ya thats fair, im a relatively newer player so theres a lot of history and details i guess i'm not exactly too familiar with so i didn't realize the importance of some of the stuff

[stark crag]

There is a surprisingly rich history to the game for how things have changed in early access in the OG Rundowns vs ALT Rundowns, and I don't want that information to be fleeting-- I want it archived and preserved

[calm star]

okay everything in this list should be in the correct format now

[stark crag]

Just checked a few real quick and seems to be in order, thank you

🙏

[calm star]

also i was thinking, on expeditions that have multiple sectors, what if we separated them into individual tabs? i feel like sometimes the objective section feels like a wall of text

r4e1 for example lol

[stark crag]

I've thought about that, but ultimately decided against that for the time being due to levels like R7C2 where you go back and forth between sectors in a typical clear

[calm star]

ya that would be the main downside

[stark crag]

I tell you one place we could likely do it: R8C2 Step 4

That page has been a nightmare for me to document and even for my standards that page is a giant wall of text

[calm star]

ur talking about this step?

[stark crag]

yep I think that whole step could just be a tabber for each cell

[calm star]

hmm ya i understand trying to separate it but im not sure if a tabber would make the most sense here

[stark crag]

It has a ridiculous amount of documentation because those zones have absurd enemy density and higher than average blood doors PLUS a unique condition for each cell

[calm star]

maybe something like a table similar to the reactor startup?

[stark crag]

the original state of the page did not list the blood door contents at all and was missing details for the 3rd cell

That could work, were you thinking of a center or left align

Another nightmare page for me has been R7C3 due to Overload

[calm star]

actually im not sure, since theres still extra details that wouldnt really fit in a table

[stark crag]

It would definitely still be a chock full datafield regardless of what's done

the R8C2 page is also partly why the current wiki syntax breaks things up visually via hyperlinks occasionally as well as bolded words for Zones and italics for bullet points

it was so much less legible before doing that

(This is a self reminder that the R8D2 page and R8E2 page need a similar amount of documentation correction)

[trim grove]

@stark crag ur hallowed whatever yeah?

[stark crag]

yeah

[trim grove]

Yeah thought so

Very nice of you to give that donation :)

[stark crag]

🤝

[limber canopy]

What if I Touch up 1 expedition page, which should it be

[stark crag]

R8D2 starting with Step 3 of the Objectives section

It will eventually also get a Trivia and a Bugs section as well but the Objectives section needs a lot of extra details especially in Step 4

For example when I most recently played the level one of the terminals was in the Supply Deport, which would mean that zone isn't actually optional even though the wiki page currently lists it as such

I haven't gotten around to testing the level both when you do and don't lower security and do and don't do secondary and what that means for the Supply Depot being accessible

[pale dock]

its optional to activate it and i believe each terminal does one different thing, some prevent a tank or waves

in newer teams specially the time just eats them up

[stark crag]

true, though the wiki should point out that a terminal for that step is in supply depot

I do like that mission a lot because it has distinct names for each location in addition to zone numbers

It feels much more purposeful about why prisoners are there or would want to go in a specific area with additional clarity

[limber canopy]

those are so nice but it's sad that it's barely used anywhere in vanilla, even adding "reactor hall" to the name of a reactor zone would be so much better but alas

the punishments for not closing the floodgates should probably also be written down somewhere right
thinking about making a table because it would take up way too much space otherwise with the weird conditions it has

[stark crag]

totally agreed

[limber canopy]

just to be sure im not remembering right, if a link to a specific page (enemy for example) has already been put in the text before, it shouldn't appear again

[stark crag]

This is the direction that I think it should take. There's a lot of conditions going on if you do or don't lower security, do or don't do Secondary, what happens if you do Secondary's final section in certain ways, and then the time limits for the terminals in Main and the punishments (as well as the timers which aren't shown in-game)

There is also a HUD bug with the Hearsay Terminal used to communicate with the OG Team if you interact with it too fast before previous dialogue finishes, and this is relevant because it has the same mark on the HUD as the Terminals you need to go for afterwards so that can mess with a team if not careful

[limber canopy]

you might actually be able to stay in the zone you started the hearsay sequence forever without those floodgates giving the punishment if my sheets are not lying

[stark crag]

It should if it's in another paragraph or step

just not too often used

[stark crag]

sounds like an oversight, if it's true

[limber canopy]

time to delete half the links in the page then

i could send you the spreadsheet for like every level since you should probably have it too

[stark crag]

I only see 3 links that might need to be deleted at present and those are in Step 1

[limber canopy]

i do recall me noticing some information on it was wrong but not a lot (for the spreadsheet)

[stark crag]

most of the page appears to have been written through hearsay (the literal sense of the word, not the in-game terminal)

there was a lot more missing in the first couple steps to the point where I don't think the original drafts of the level were written by people who played the level, and instead added details via other people's accounts

and that's fine you know, these levels are some of the hardest in the game and unless you are directly carried there you have to get through a whole lot to access D2

Especially when we consider early R8 had un-nerfed R8B4 Error

[limber canopy]

what was the norm for rewritting stuff like this again?
[[[Checkpoint|CHECKPOINT]]]

[stark crag]

should be all caps on the alias

it's important to highlight the checkpoint when viewing at a glance

same thing for Blood Doors

(both being special types of doors)

[limber canopy]

(specifically the [ part)

[stark crag]

[ is just [

it should be [[Checkpoint|CHECKPOINT]] and not triple brackets

probably something happened in source when saving, but yes that needs fixing

I'm very thankful I haven't had images break when source editing

[limber canopy]

triple allows it to look like [CHECKPOINT] in text but it also breaks the link logic so the [ was used but i recall something about replacing it

[stark crag]

Are you referring to the part in Step 6 on the page as it is now?

[limber canopy]

yes but im generally refering to legibility on the source code side

i should just go check on the r1a1 page or something

[stark crag]

yeah check R1A1

[limber canopy]

lmao it didn't even need to split the uncapitalized and capitalized version either

[limber canopy]

well i finished the general cleanup for r8d2 but i couldn't figure out how i wanted to do the table for the floodgates so ima do that tomorrow

[stark crag]

Solid addition to the page, looks a lot better-- sounds good

[limber canopy]

it doesn't seem possible to add a table in the middle of the objective section without breaking the step numbers so it's probably gonna have to be at the end of the main objective section (before maybe?)

[stark crag]

Ehh that might look a bit weird being so detached from the step it’s meant for

[crystal fjord]

Unless I'm blind it looks like the wiki is missing entries for the secret host-only terminal commands and nightmare baby striker

[pale dock]

yes cuz, tbh commands- i dont knoe where they would fit

and thr nbabystriker is just a onetime resking of a baby that appears on the very end of a lvl

at least the nbig appears on an inportant alarm and u cannot miss it

nbabies u absolutely can miss them ive seen lot of people do so

[dusk star]

Maybe under the ”terminal commands”?

[pale dock]

but that sections moreso a tutorial one

idk if putting actively griefer commands would... work

[dusk star]

Fair

[pale dock]

thats the issue with those explaining them is a bit of a danger

[dusk star]

Yep

[crystal fjord]

hmm fair, though in my opinion completeness is more important

[stark crag]

Nightmare Baby Strikers have a mention on R8A2 page currently

I have asked about a page for them before

[stark crag]

Probably Terminal page under a new Easter Egg section

[pale dock]

u cant create it? i made a page once

theee corrupt scans one

[stark crag]

The consensus at the time was not to

[limber canopy]

@stark crag any suggestions on making this look better?

[stark crag]

I would clarify the order based on how close they are (like one of them is probably 20-30 meters from the initial HearSay Terminal) in the previous bullet point just so people reading it can make better sense of it

[limber canopy]

i could specify the area they're in in the first bullet point (zone 37A/38E/39A)

there is only a single terminal in each of those zones though so it feels a bit redundant

[stark crag]

Yeah that’d be good especially if listed in the order of how close the are (thus the likely order)

I do that on R5A1 because those zones are similarly huge with some of the terminals kind of out of sight

And this part is also Floodways, admittedly these are marked

[limber canopy]

added a bit of text to be clearer

oh damnit i just noticed the step numbers broke again even if it was working initially

[limber canopy]

ok there exists a way to do it without breaking step numbers, it shall be posted soon after i get home

[limber canopy]

i think i unintentionally helped the spiff crew get info on r8d2 because of that lmao

[stark crag]

Whom

[stark crag]

I should work on the R8E2 page when I can, that also needs substantial updates and will have a Trivia and Bugs section (done, has much cleanup and extra details now).

[limber canopy]

colton or noah specifically i think

oh wait is it standard practice to have the map and video guide in a table under media now

[stark crag]

yeah

[limber canopy]

i just noticed this on the r5e1 info spreadsheet, does this actually appear? it feels like it could be insanely useful for people struggling with the last error alarm stretch and could even be used to cheese the last surge alarm, only condition would be to deal with the double mom room and maybe the tank right after

[stark crag]

Confirmed

[limber canopy]

I think ima work on that page next (and try to do my best at a strategy section) since it probably still has a lot of other information missing

that error isn't especially hard but it makes doing the setup for the surge hard without having doors getting banged on before you start it

[dusk star]

Well you’d do moms and tank with an error behind you

It’s like cell skip

So like it wouldn’t be easier most likely

[limber canopy]

well you know...

those rooms dont respawn

[dusk star]

Also wait wouldn’t you like

Run back and forth like 3 times

[stark crag]

It doesn't-- I've already overhauled it

[limber canopy]

that is the price to pay to make the last surge easier to do (or to just invalidate it completly)

[stark crag]

I just had no idea about this deactivate alarms

[dusk star]

I don’t think it’s actually easier or easy enough to recommend as a strat

[stark crag]

This deactivate alarms is actually pretty inconvenient lol

in normal route you already backtracked to start once for disinf and deactivate alarms in Z530

why on earth would I do it again for Z528 when i'm at the end of the level

[limber canopy]

funky

[stark crag]

R5E1 page is in a very good state right now

it even mentions Cell Skip

can add this silly little deactivate alarms tidbit though

i genuinely did not know about this either

[dusk star]

In trivia I’d say

[stark crag]

yeah I'd say it's more of trivia because in all actuality you aren't running all the way back a SECOND time with an alarm positively full of large enemies

even if it would technically shut off the final surge

[limber canopy]

imo that last surge felt like the hardest portion of the mission right after the first error alarm in its entirety, killing the mom room doesn't feel like it would be that bad especially if you stealth a good portion of the sleeping babies and giants beforehand and have a scatter to instakill a mom

[candid isle]

funny little minor error i noticed - OG R6 page has R6BX, then CX, it has 2 Flux’s

know it’s not top priority but thought i’d mention it

[limber canopy]

i have litteraly no idea where to see the og pages lol

[stark crag]

it's OK the OG pages aren't real

(they are I just try to not think about them)

it's lower on the priority list

[stark crag]

you can just leave the error alarm running actually, so that the surge can't even spawn much since you already have a bunch of Giants still (since they are slow)

[limber canopy]

time to long kite the giants

[zenith jolt]

This seems like a job for spear

[candid isle]

Dw i can probably get an image for it

[limber canopy]

but like the long run back to the first zone is basically a price to pay to not risk a wipe at the very end (also the giants the error spawns aren't that hard to deal with because it's so slow to spawn)

[limber canopy]

also looking at the r2e1 page, the 3rd surge seems to always spawn 3 rooms away according to these spawn chances

nevermind im dumb that's second surge

is there anywhere on the wiki that lists the full stealth mechanics?

[stark crag]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Mechanics

if it did, it would be here

[limber canopy]

ima check that later, school wifi doesn't let me go on wiki.gg but it allows me to go on fandom 😭

[pale dock]

nope i think its on the enemies page itself?

may need a new one

cuz i domt see it

[cyan coral]

the reason behind it is interesting but unfortunately sam-db isn't here in the flesh to recount

[verbal knot]

Is he the only one who knows about it?

[cyan coral]

no but he's the one who looked at it like 2 years ago and shared in twitch chat

[verbal knot]

(I still don't know if he memed too hard and got hammered out of existence or he did something much worse, but I assumed the latter for some reason)

[verbal knot]

Like eva's or frosty's?

[cyan coral]

nah he gravitates to more enticing streams like Beth's

[humble marsh]

rip sam d-b

the server feels too alive without him

[quartz rune]

[[Striker]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Striker

[pale dock]

:O

[dusk star]

dodo doesnt know what a striker is

[quartz rune]

wwoah, theeres lieek a scary monster on that wiki pag

[quartz rune]

no whats an strikre

[pale dock]

pag :3

[quartz rune]

got too spooked to spell right

[quartz rune]

[[Apparel]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Apparel

[limber canopy]

slendi i can't believe what you said about white people in occlusion smh

[candid isle]

🤨

[pale dock]

question mark

[quartz rune]

[[Bio Tracker]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Bio_Tracker

[stark crag]

@real rose @pale dock Remote Door Break now has a fix, built into EnemyAnimationFix

[pale dock]

:O
whats remoote door break

[stark crag]

I pinged both of you awhile back about it

it is where you can get far enough away from a door you woke a room with and can run around to the other side of that same closed room via another door

magically the enemies will remotely break the other door

[pale dock]

ohh the enemy being close while sleep so magnetized to door

[stark crag]

updating wiki

[humble marsh]

whats the trigger mechanism for glowsticks

do we crack them

or smth else

[jolly yarrow]

well technically cracking a glowstick is what makes it light up

[dark citrus]

Prisoners have some smooth Fingerwork to crack glowsticks mid throw

[quartz rune]

the prisoners being good with their hands is canon gtfo lore

[zenith jolt]

They prob used their grip to crack the glowsticks

[void prawn]

[[R3A3]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R3A3

[void prawn]

is this up to the norm?
the information feels basic compared to other reactor levels

[stark crag]

It is a pretty basic reactor

I suppose a formatting change could be in order

[stark crag]

There's 2 softlocks I have found on that level as well so yes it needs more info

[humble marsh]

what are they?

[stark crag]

past zone with spitters, near the heavy machinery on either side of it next to the stairs

[fallen vessel]

Found a minor inaccuracy on the wiki, let me know if I should reword it.
The R6C3 overload doesn't add a fixed wave after a delay, it adds 4 separate error alarms, 4 giants (6 minutes), 2 hybrids (6 minutes), 1 tank (8 minutes), 1 tank (8 minutes)
I've added a new column on the table to list the repeat frequency of the waves

[pale dock]

what the fuck

isnt the hybrids part of main

i could swear ive seen gameplays main only and the waves seem the same

[quartz rune]

hybrids are part of main

idk how many

[fallen vessel]

It might just add more hybrids

There is a chance I read the datablocks incorrectly, but I'm fairly confident I haven't

[fringe ivy]

@fallen vessel I'll just tell ya here. At the end of R7C3 main on the wiki, it states that entering the extraction zone(not the scan) starts a tank alarm, however it seems to just be tied to the warden timer running out. With that event, I believe it starts 4 separate error alarms of small enemies, giants(3 or 2), 1 tank, and 1 snatcher every few minutes

It's largely irrelevent to normal gameplay as if you decide to PE the level, you'll most likely finish the level with the timer ending, but I planned on terminal uplink cancelling the error alarms, as I accidentally did that a long time ago during Bot Only clears. I imagine less experienced players could benefit from doing this strategy too.
I'm not sure what the exact events are though so someone who can look at that info could figure out the specifics

[fallen vessel]

Alright, I can see 3 waves/error alarms after the timer runs out, 1 at the timer ending, another 50 seconds after, and another 150 seconds after
The first is regular strikers, shooters, and hybrids that will spawn approximately every 100 seconds
The second is the tank error that spawns every 8 minutes
The third is a very strange wave? It spawns like 2 giants or hybrids every 95 seconds or so

[fringe ivy]

Fascinating info, I will most certainly be utilizing that. Though I feel like I saw snatchers being spawned too, perhaps that comes from somewhere else though or I somehow didn't deal with the 2 from the warden protocol? I might just be misremembering as well

[fallen vessel]

Probably from an earlier wave, let me see if I can find that

After the timer begins, 14:10 later (5:50 left on the clock), it starts the snatcher waves. You get them approximately every 200 seconds, and it will spawn around 20 snatchers in total if you wait in the level long enough

I say around 20 because snatchers are weird (see old R7D1 overload bug)

[fringe ivy]

Ohh, I didn't realize it was just the same source as the other snatchers. I will say that one seems to be cancelled out by the terminal uplink cancel too thankfully in my case. Thanks for figuring this out, I'm not sure what changes you'll want to make to the wiki since this is somewhat minor information compared to the rest of the level, but that's all I can think of currently for potential changes since you had asked

[fallen vessel]

I'll update the sections of the wiki that mention the waves
Thanks again for pointing this out, always happy to correct inaccurate information on the wiki

[stark crag]

the R7C3 page has been a mess so anything clarified about it is welcome

it has been my personal purgatory of correcting the extremely high amounts of missing info and misinfo

the level has a lot going on at once

especially in PE

that part is stuff I hadn't edited

it is mostly the things in Overload

[fringe ivy]

Seems fitting for a level that has completely unique assets, all of which indicate that it needed just a bit more time being developed. I actually took notice that you had updated it since I last looked at the page a month ago, it's at least seemingly accurate, just simply missing a bit of info is all

And that missing info is something 80% of players won't encounter on typical runs I imagine

[stark crag]

yep that Overload tile is really cool but unfinished lol

I found a couple of softlocks and tons of safespots due to almost no invisible walls being present in there

The page would be incredibly bloated above what it is now because there's over a dozen

so I just describe that they exist and just stay on the intended paths, so you don't throw the mission

[fringe ivy]

Yeah that's valid. Is there any context as to why that was the only weird stage in R7 outside of E1? All the others seem pretty functional as far as I'm aware

[stark crag]

how do you mean?

[fringe ivy]

Like it seems like they were starting to experiment a lot with that stage, while most of the others in R7 were fairly normal "gtfo" stages. It feels more like something you would've seen in R8

Why would that be the only one that was relatively unfinished, and as a result, jankier than usual

Even the corrupted uplinks act somewhat unique since they don't spawn any enemies on their own. I'm sure there's no concrete answer to my questions but if there's any insight into that, I'm very curious to hear it

[stark crag]

There's a bunch of it in R7D1 and R7E1 as well

I just havent gotten around to updating the R7D1 page even though it really needs it

Same for R6D3

[fringe ivy]

Yknow I forgot about the whole "surprise" box thing from D1, and the snatcher alarm definitely adds to the jank. Still I feel like it's unique with C3, but that's my perspective at least

[fallen vessel]

Fun fact it's not a snatcher alarm
It's a manual set of wave spawns that goes for like 2 hours

But yeah there's a bunch of aspects in r7 that make me feel like they needed another month or so to sort out all of the issues

[pale dock]

it would work well if it just wasnt cuz of checkpoint

[fallen vessel]

checkpoints making things more cursed? Say it ain't so

[stark crag]

I learned the other day that restarting from checkpoints can regenerate weakdoors that were broken when the checkpoint was scanned

I also made a small edit to unify the error alarms syntax after your edit earlier on the R7C3 page so Overload looks cleaner in comparison

[pale dock]

u just tap them once and they die domt they
like when u rejoin and thered a foamed door and u tap it and it breaks

[void prawn]

[[R4D1]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R4D1

[void prawn]

this one also quite basic

[stark crag]

you know what I will let @quartz rune do this one

[jolly yarrow]

<@&408548765599793173>

[reef crane]

@plucky vortex yes?

[quartz rune]

[[Striker]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Striker

[crimson lion]

[[MOM]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/MOM?action=edit&redlink=1

[dusk star]

[[chicken]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Chicken

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Big_shooter?action=edit&redlink=1

[dusk star]

is R8E1 updated?

[stark crag]

Should be relatively accurate

[stark crag]

R1C1 - Should be Refinery
R1C2 - Should be Storage
R1D1 - Should be Refinery
R2A1 - Should be Digsite
R2B1 - Should be Storage
R2B2 - Should be Refinery
R2B3 - Should be Digsite
R2B4 - Should be Storage
R2C1 - Should be Storage
R2C2 - Should be Refinery
R2D1 - Should be Digsite
R2D2 - Should be Refinery
R2E1 - Should be Digsite
R3A1 - Should be Labs
R3A2 - Should be Digsite
R3A3 - Should be Refinery
R3B1 - Should be Digsite & Storage (First level using 2 tilesets?)
R3C1 - Should be Storage
R3D1 - Should be Labs
R4A1 - Should be Datacenter
R4A2 - Should be Storage & Digsite & Refinery (First level using all of Mining?)
R4A3 - Should be Refinery & Digsite
R4B1 - Should be Labs
R4B2 - Should be Digsite & Storage
R4B3 - Should be Datacenter & Labs (First level using all of Tech?)
R4C1 - Should be Datacenter & Labs (The latter only for the Tank)
R4C2 - Should be Refinery, Storage, Digsite
R4C3 - Should be Storage & Digsite
R4D1 - Should be Refinery
R4D2 - Listed as Tech which is accurate-- has Labs and Datacenter, how to list levels like this which possess all tilesets in a given category?
R4E1 - Should be Digsite & Refinery

These are the ones up through R4 so far that need to be corrected

The order in which I list environments here is the order in which they are encountered

most levels predominantly have it by sector, and before R4, by zone if there are multiple, usually just 1 zone though being different

The actual categories are Mining (Refinery, Storage, Digsite), Tech (Labs, Datacenter), Service (Floodways, Gardens), and then Desert (Destination)

[pale dock]

i prefer keepin the ??? almost cuz is funnier ksks
but if not thats ok

[stark crag]

See that's the thing

R7 and R8 levels are actually using correct names from what I saw so far

it's inconsistent

then you haved R4D2 which is very accurate as it is indeed using all of Tech

[pale dock]

probs cuz r1-r6 were madebefore the names were stablished and stuff
but some were edited when

noticeed

[stark crag]

Here's how I am feeling it should be done:
-Mining, Tech, and Service only get used if it's actually using all of the environments in that tileset category
-Otherwise list in predominant/initial encounter when dropping into the level and playing it out in the intended order

For example, R4E1 begins as Digsite, then changes to Refinery in Secondary, then back to Digsite, then Refinery again in the final area right before the Tank + PMom which goes back to Digsite

I'd list this as Digsite, Refinery

The reason I wish to do it this way is for example, R1A1 page right now is correctly listed as Storage

[cyan coral]

don't forget the generator zone!

[jolly yarrow]

why not just say the complex and list the subcomplexes?

r1a1) mining: storage
or something

[stark crag]

Each subcomplex has their own page and the complexes have their own pages as well, so it means hyperlinking each and every one of them, I did think about this but it might look weird to split it this way

and currently testing with it, it looks like this on the wikitable:

Refinery, Digsite```

It makes it look like Mining is part of the subcomplexes

[jolly yarrow]

separate them then?

[stark crag]

That's gonna extend the wikitable quite a bit if every one of them is a newline

Maybe like this

Subcomplex: Storage, 
Refinery, Digsite```

eh it makes a third newline

I don't quite like that either

part of the issue is the extremely confined space of the wikitable

[trim grove]

Genuinely I would just leave out the “complex” and only have subcomplex

The subcomplex implies the complex anyway

[stark crag]

yeah I think for general purposes of wiki using complex even though that is the official internal name would get confusing

Part of the reason I'd like to do this mass edit to this many pages is to help with the reference material of each individual expedition either for modding purposes or helping people gain knowledge of the various tileset environments for stuff like bingo maybe

[grizzled crater]

subcomplex list makes bingo easier too surely

[stark crag]

EVA

🤝

[void prawn]

r7b3 doesn't have the symbols for secondary/overload in it's description

[dark citrus]

ah old post

got bamboozled by the 50€ scam

[dusk star]

Also the symbols should be in the ”optional here you can start the secondary objective” no?

[dark citrus]

playing GTFO is optional

[void prawn]

Yeah that's what I meant

[dusk star]

@stark crag grrrr fix this grrrrr !!!!!!!!!

[stark crag]

i definitely havent reviewed that page before

[limber canopy]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Enemies surprisingly nightmare enemies aren't on this

wait im blind

im always blind 😭

NIGHTMARE BABIES AREN'T ON IT NOOO

[real rose]

Hello Blind

👋

[charred verge]

A minor thing, in the new wiki, some CSS is missing. If anyone can add, it would help make some of the log pages easier to read: #wiki-chat message

[stark crag]

Thanks for this. I didn't know if Admin Access was needed for these

[undone compass]

Oh did it not get transferred over to the gg wiki?

[stark crag]

Yeah looks like it. Foxtrot made some edits to the templates the other day and it seems to be alright for now, I'll let you know of anything else I find.

[undone compass]

Slay

[pale dock]

question mark

oh its spam

<@&408548765599793173>

[vestal crest]

@stark crag note about new bug found in r8e2
when spawning kraken, if host is in [far away from kraken room but not close enough to reactor so that it spawns in reactor, area B immediately outside of bulkhead door is far enough away and what was tested], then kraken """spawns in""" in the room, but you will be softlocked (kds door won't unlock)
the kraken model isn't spawned in in the correct location, but the tumors will still appear like normal and be shootable (causing just floating tumors)
while all the kraken attacks break as well

tested with cconsole so mileage may vary but it was replicable with cconsole

[grizzled crater]

Oh yea fuck. Ive not heard about that since early R8. Actually slipped my mind

(Soft lock grounds is the same as reactor kraken, similarly to dimension kraken)

[vestal crest]

can you elaborate?
the soft lock ground isn't the same no? because it's about host being close enough to kraken room/in the zone rather than outside far away?

[grizzled crater]

if kraken doesnt spawn in kraken room, then you wont get the 2nd sec door to open

(aka if it spawns anywhere else)

[vestal crest]

eva are you sure you understand what i wrote

like the tumors correctly spawn in kraken room

and kraken is just NOWHERE

like in the case of kraken spawning incorrectly in say, reactor, the tumors are at least on him

[grizzled crater]

Ah ok
Your bracket (and sentence in general) made it a bit confusing to read

fun fact then

the same thing (invisible kraken but visible tumors)

appearantly happened early R8

but not in kraken room

[vestal crest]

kinda unrelated since it's modded but toggling on noclip made kraken visible (maybe hints at what is going on?)

(and he had correct position in the room)

[grizzled crater]

huh that is interesting

could that kraken spawn flyers?

as it doesnt need los for that

[vestal crest]

yeah not only did it spawn flyers

it spawned flyers when me and sky where both in hub

but all of them were stuck

[grizzled crater]

yea it doesnt rly care about where you are for it

[grizzled crater]

as usual

[vestal crest]

fair enough, but maybe they do bug out 100% always when this other bug occurs

[jolly yarrow]

oh i ran into that issue in one of my levels actually lol

krakens are spawned in looking for a normal enemy spawn point… for some reason lol. not an issue in the desert arenas but around normal tiles, it’s probably why you have to go all the way to the end of the megatile to make sure players are far enough away from other spawn points

[stark crag]

surely we use worldevent objects to spawn krakens ideally

will update wiki page shortly

have a few edits in my backlog

including frosty's tidbit

[jolly yarrow]

pretty sure can't

[regal bluff]

R8D1 enemy list says "Striker" twice

Isn't it meant to say Nightmare Striker instead of two strikers

[zenith jolt]

No bc there are strikers that spawn from waves and in rooms

And there is another striker that was 1 min late after the last wave spawned

[uneven socket]

Hey friends, check out my little app I've been building past week
https://c0r-pse.github.io/gtfo/

don't know where to share it so I'll leave it here

[dusk star]

prolly gtfo chat and you can ask people if any stats are iffy

[pale dock]

more like big strikers

cuz d1 doesnt have nstrikers

[regal bluff]

well still an error

[jolly yarrow]

i was for sure this was gonna be a scam—especially bc you didn’t explain what the link was. but cool ig, neat

[dusk star]

Samesies lmao but checked it and its fine

[uneven socket]

Not sure if it has value at this point, but I'm gonna continue tinkering with it. Next step is weapon pages and falloff visualization probably

[dusk star]

Ey prolly easier for newbies to understand it

[uneven socket]

yeah I looked at graphs and started using Raptus Treffen, no regrets so far

[pale dock]

raptus treffen

[real rose]

The what thing?

[jolly yarrow]

i’ve never heard anyone call machine pistol raptus treffen

most ppl call the weapons not by their flavor name afaik

[regal bluff]

I tend to call them by their brand name "mastaba" "veruta"

and so on

but depends on the gun

[grizzled crater]

yea in general only the machine guns get their monicker added (veruta/arbalist) to differentiate them easily

Also the machine pistol rly isnt it qq

[humble oracle]

s870

[fringe ivy]

I noticed a minor mistake with the R7D1 wiki page regarding the sequences. The 2nd sequence should spawn flyers in addition to the 2 hybrids if failed. There's no mention of flyers anywhere on the page. I'm not savvy enough to fix the page myself so I assume this is the correct place to bring it up

[pale dock]

FLYERS???

[fringe ivy]

Sorry, the correct term is Meatballs

(but yes indeed, since I had to fail a few sequences to beat it solo with bots, I'm sure it might help some others to know this)

[verbal knot]

I've always wondered, but why is the official site schaffer's bucket?

[pale dock]

wdym

oh

funny ksks

[winged charm]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Stamina here the wiki makes the claim that the BPM is a value between 60 and 180, has there been any check done for this?

[stark crag]

Definitely have seen numbers above 180 too

[vestal crest]

i forget if preciseui accuratenly displays pulse or if it just accurately displays stam%

because there is random variation in the bpm in vanilla

[winged charm]

to me it seems a bit weird since the visual BPM you see seems to be offset by +3* (corrected here as I thought it was +4 initially) as the lowest I saw (when at 100% stamina) is around 57-70 while highest (0% stamina) is 176-189

so the maximum fluctuation is either [-4, +10]

or there is an offset of +3

[dusk star]

its always constant sooooo

ok

wait

i mean its like

always updated

[winged charm]

the stam percent there seems 100% accurate to me, the bpm might be inaccurate.

i've done extensive testing with the mod using the stam% properly but I would not take the BPM as accurate in terms of what happens in code

at worst i'd say either the first range for the BPM needs to be modified or this statement since they kinda contradict eachother

I am inclined to believe the range is correct since tru posted at some point some code that deals with this stuff specifically BUT the explanation for the BPM was wrong at the time. So I basically have no clue which is accurate.

[dusk star]

Meow at the (ex) devs until they drop the source code

[stark crag]

R8Mono branch 🙏

[dusk star]

Frfr

[stark crag]

the most recent edit to the page is my own after a previous tip that you should just hold W to move forward at max speed, diagonal/side movement is significantly slower

[dusk star]

Surely that was Eva during our A2 sec run

[fallen vessel]

From what I can see in the decomp, here's how stamina display works:
Lerp stamina between min and max BPM (likely 60/180)
Call mathf.MoveTowards with lerped output and some delta time (MoveTowards is a unity engine call, would need to look at that)
Add a call from random.range to it (likely the 4-5 number mentioned)
convert to string (presumably to display)

[humble marsh]

<@&408548765599793173>

[dark citrus]

love how informative it is about projectiles

[quartz rune]

Projectile 👍

[jolly yarrow]

who uploaded the pablo wave roar

and where tf did you get the sound from

[stark crag]

Pablo's actual wave roar in vanilla is only heard barely at the end of R8A2 which is just a Tank Roar, in R7E1 his "roar" is one of 3 sounds he makes approximately every 30-40s

I should update that

[jolly yarrow]

it just plays the tank roar

[shell ocean]

https://youtu.be/cf03h9D0iHM?si=U5A-tnflX7hrLci8 there is this video

[jolly yarrow]

i figured it out

so basically the wave roar in that vid… and in the exact same system that they implemented for unique enemy type/size wave roars with r6/r7 (don’t remember when it was added), includes wave roars for snatchers and “immortals”. that roar i believe was intended for the scrapped immortal enemy from early development. there’s a separate sound event that is not played during r8a2, but clearly sounds a lot more like the pablo we know and love today

[shell ocean]

yeah I checked the wiki and it's clearly a different sound

kinda sad that you don't hear the larger spawn sounds that often

[jolly yarrow]

i’d assumed that bc the new wave roar system was added around the same time that snatchers and pablo were added, the wave roar AK switches for “pouncer” and “immortal” corresponded to those enemies

it’s really sad that 10cc for whatever reason doesn’t use the nightmare and snatcher wave roars

[hoary plover]

They forgor

[jolly yarrow]

<@&408548765599793173>

[hushed urchin]

@stark crag C-Foam Portion boosters do not work on the C-foam Launcher if the foam is sprayed in short chargers. For the boosters to work, the foam must be sprayed in FULL charges ONLY. Is this a bug or not? I know there's a GlueEfficiency mod that fixes this. Should it be added to the Bug Wiki page?

[stark crag]

It’s anything beyond single blobs in a charged burst, don’t have to necessarily do completely full charges

single blob firing = you don’t get any benefit from that booster due to rounding

let me take a look at where it can fit, because that is most definitely a vanilla base game bug/oversight

the game gives you something, and it doesn't disclose to you if you're getting the benefit or not unless you fulfill a hidden condition that had to be discovered by experienced members of the community and is only fixed with a plugin

[trim grove]

If you want to be the most efficient, you shoot in 2 blob bursts only

[stark crag]

yeah that's the way I had it explained to me as well, good catch

there is additional advantageous rounding on 2 blob bursts compared to 3+ in a burst

[hushed urchin]

Yeah, it's confusing, especially for new players who have to explain it every time their boosters aren't working. Thanks for clarifying.
So if it's a bug, it would be great to see this mod on the wiki page I guess.

[trim grove]

Its just how its implemented

Not really a bug

[stark crag]

Nowhere does the game really disclose to you externally there's a lot of rounding going on, from player health, enemy health, to boosters. This definitely needs to be documented but I'm unsure whether it goes on the Booster page or Bug Wiki as well as how I want to phrase it

[trim grove]

It probably fits on the booster page

[undone compass]

Deciding to do my yearly actually doing my job here, anything I’m needed for?

[undone compass]

kewl

[dusk star]

Leaking the super secret dms

[hushed urchin]

What can you guys say about TerminalPingFix, "E Bug Fix" and GiveHostClientDamage/HostEnemyLimbDestroyFix? Are these real bugfixes and should they be on the Wiki?

[dusk star]

GiveHostClientDamage is not a bug fix, this makes host get more consistent dmg output into tumours which isnt how the game intended for it to be (clients were supposed to use the same logic as host but cant due to ping/bad coding i cant remember)

[stark crag]

E bug fix is in progress to be on there, was talked about the other day

[zenith jolt]

Bad coding

Scattergun on host has worser spread of pellets

[stark crag]

I don't think that is true. What happens is that Clients don't get the information from the Host that the limb should be broken fast enough to break when damage is dealt. this is why Clients can 2 shot Moms with Scattergun and Host takes 3-4 shots, even at point blank ranges against a Mom that doesn't move at all

[dusk star]

You can 2 shot a mom but like

Good luck getting consistent

[stark crag]

I know a Host can theoretically 1 shot a NM Scout with an unbelievably precise scatter spread in an ∩ shape

[cyan coral]

stupid ass neck not being armoured

[grizzled crater]

So
Theres 2 ways

1 is what goat hinted at. There is a part where the „neck“ is kinda that isnt armored. Pure back dmg easy kill. Pretty consistent

2nd is getting the correct spread from a slight angle. Hitting back tumor and front tumor

I did it about 10/400 tries when I was testing before

Mom 2 tap is rare but happens

Weeb actually got one during testing which was funny

[stark crag]

Interesting, alright

I will get some time today to circle around back to this and make necessary changes

[limber canopy]

Gotta keep the wiki chat alive one way or another

[hushed urchin]

I'm working on it and still waiting for updates on the Wiki about GlueEfficiency, "E Bug Fixes", etc. ^_^

[dark citrus]

Sees new Message in Chat
Not a Ghost flag from a bot Account
Happy

[stark crag]

yep in progress. I have a habit of just leaving the edit page open and doing large amounts of drafting/editing all in one go

One time I was overhauling a page and left it open for like 2 days before I actually committed (I checked to make sure there wasn't an editing conflict before I did)

[humble marsh]

where media

[undone compass]

There’s media all over the wiki

[dusk star]

#gtfo-media

[humble marsh]

its not lost??? thought everything posted in there was gone

this is huge

and i can react "cringemod" to soys post

best day ever

[mossy blade]

You know what needs to be done

[hushed urchin]

Is there any easy way to repeat this bug in a real game or using the CConsole to see how this bug actually works? I already asked about this in another chat a few days ago, but no one could give an answer. 🤔

[pale dock]

play r7d1 and alert the scouts, thats the easiest way to try and force it

[stark crag]

Consistently is iffy but I’ve had it twice. It’s definitely a thing but rare, even in current build. The easiest way I know is go in with CConsole, spawn a bunch of scouts in A of Overload, go outside overload, open the bulkhead, and as it is opening, just start shooting with a weapon with a continuous fire rate like a machine gun. That zone can have like 5 scouts in there.

As client with the mod, it doesn’t stop the bug, but you do mute it locally for yourself so you don’t get deafened. The Host needs to run it to actually stop it for everybody. The mod does not actually fix the bug, it just makes the scout return back to being vulnerable and stop screaming. It's too inconsistently produced to document beyond all of this knowledge

[undone compass]

I’m not deleting media

[mossy blade]

WHaaaaa, I never said that..

[hushed urchin]

Tried it several times. Didn't work.

[hushed urchin]

Also tried it like you said on R4A1. No result. But thanks. anyway.

Is there maybe a video to see what this bug sounds and looks like? 🤔

[stark crag]

Where did I mention R4A1

The last time I talked about R4A1 was in the modded server regarding colliders

[hushed urchin]

Nowhere. I tried it like you said with the overload door on R4A1.

[stark crag]

The two times I have had it, R7D1 Overload and R7B3 Main