gtfo-spoiler-chat

[abstract inlet]

Way more atmospheric and cool when you can still barely see some things

[mortal granite]

darkness is a sort of difficulty in all game

[hallow lark]

Darkness is a fun little challenge

[spring pilot]

Do the enemies respawn infinitely on B3 once you trigger the overload by grabbing the cargo case? Or is there a way to stop them from spawning

[dreamy bramble]

infinite

[queen field]

dark levels ? R6 ? 😳

[frail zinc]

you get some funny pub moments

alpha is just too much of a gamer for the newbs

[real moss]

that what I'm saying they were not there

[frail zinc]

i liked the timed objective levels

force people into not sneaking about the entire map

[queen field]

Somehow imagining them made me laugh

The contrast with the ambient luminosity of R6 would've been very cursed

[prisma zodiac]

i mean you dont need time for that
see d2
also reactors > timed objectives

[frail zinc]

i meant the levels like one of the c levels in r6 where parts unlocked over time

[prisma zodiac]

yeah i know
like r6c3, r6cx secondary, or r7c3 second half

point still stands

[last gust]

I only foam giants in c3 because they scream at the drop of a hat when soloing them

it's kinda offputting tbh

oh also if I bring knife

knifing c3 melee section is hilarious

[hexed vapor]

Disgusting.

[last gust]

if I didn't have to worry about waking a room full of giants and a charger scout, I wouldn't bother with the foam

also if the rooms were like 30% less dense, I wouldn't bother with the foam

[nocturne flax]

I hate every level or rundown that turns off the lights

Both devs and modders on equal

[atomic escarp]

but the darkness is dangerous

[nocturne flax]

Yall givin me eye strain

[atomic escarp]

muzzle flashes are very immersive

[nocturne flax]

Yes

Really inmersive for like 2 rooms

Whole ass levels

Out of here

[atomic escarp]

r5a2 moment

[nocturne flax]

"Makes player error more likely to happen" my ass

I can still hs waves but im going to minecraft afterwards

Goddam

Rant over

[mortal granite]

rant continue

you just ass at killing scout

gonna have to learn some from rayalot

[nocturne flax]

you just ass........... thats it theres no more

[frail zinc]

Black is just a dmr god nothing else

[vocal geode]

I am Dumbass

[main mango]

I like light and dark, but absolutely despise any form of: Color light in fog areas, lights that come on and off rapidly

[errant vigil]

Dragon be like: very cool optional objective

Terminal command at the end
Put it in, the lights turn off

Dragon:

[nocturne flax]

Hey i can see incident [2021 ] 🐸

[vestal zephyr]

idk what the trick is for R7C3, but damn, these dead ends really do be dead

[prisma zodiac]

dead ends?

[vestal zephyr]

in the second half

[plush basin]

If you're talking about what I think you are they are just there to kill time and give you resources

[prisma zodiac]

you went into 169?

[vestal zephyr]

there's a few sec doors with dead ends

[prisma zodiac]

it should only be 1 with a dead end

[vestal zephyr]

Blood door, IIRC

[prisma zodiac]

the blood door is for a bulkhead key

which you need for overload

[vestal zephyr]

It also has a few resource bags

[prisma zodiac]

every zone has else surviving would be quite the problem

but yeah. 169 is a zone only there so you can waste time in main

[vestal zephyr]

that tracks

[prisma zodiac]

(it also has a ton of ressources so you can shoot more)

[velvet flower]

Z330 is the real "dead end" zone in C3.

[urban dew]

Saw a door glitch on my last run. Anyone care to explain how a door got smashed up then sleepers couldn't get through the void???

[dreamy bramble]

it’s an exploit that makes it so that sleepers can’t cross a broken door

don’t really care to share how it’s done since it’s completely game breaking but it’s been a thing for a while

[bold widget]

ey

the split sleeper spawn in E1

at reactor 4. fuck that shit

why is that a thing

[atomic escarp]

what the fuck is happening in D2 man?!?!?!?

5 tanks at the same time!

[hard horizon]

Uhh what was the charging or item call when going to the teleporter E1?

wait a minute

wheres matter wave

Im I confused?

[obtuse cedar]

you ain't suppose to go there

[hard horizon]

that was just extra?

[obtuse cedar]

that's where "he" comes back

[hard horizon]

and where do I go next after he comes back

wait

f

[obtuse cedar]

you are just grabbing code 4 then going back to reactor for extract

[hard horizon]

great now i have to restart all over again

[obtuse cedar]

have fun in the snooze fest of E1

[queen field]

It's to prevent people who know the map to already go get the last code ig

[obtuse cedar]

reactor don't have to be all predictable... especially an E1 one...

🤷

[bold widget]

fuck that shit lol

[forest horizon]

could have just made the mother spawns static so its not up to rng if its a complete nightmare or a cakewalk to get the last code, so then they could balance the timer better. but that makes too much sense

[queen field]

static mother spawns would make it even boring tbh

Rather there could be more balancing about how mothers & scouts spawn

[obtuse cedar]

this E1 is already the EASIEST E1 to date. just give the free completion to everyone while you are at it 😛

[queen field]

Such that you don't get 3 scouts + pM + mom + 30 babies in a single room and nothing on the rest

happened to me

[forest horizon]

yeah thats just stupid

E1 is bad anyway, but the 4th code is just one of the problems with it

[obtuse cedar]

i think the biggest problem is that the friend you drag along is pretty bad... or that the room scan spawns enemies on the same side constantly meaning you can just avoid the whole fight all together... or that the reactor is pretty easy to a point were you can have people not shoot for the entire reactor... or the fact that your friend comes back in the end but barely matters since the level is over at that point

idk bigger issues that really shows that this E1 is badly made 🤷

[forest horizon]

yeah that sums it up pretty well lmao

had some interesting ideas but they just don't flow well at all in practice

also no new tiles

[obtuse cedar]

the pacing is not existant

[queen field]

The only issue about E1 is the lack of resources

and gigachad

[forest horizon]

for me its just super buggy

[obtuse cedar]

there are already too much resource in E1 what

🤣

[queen field]

What i mean is that this E1 isn't as forgiving as the other E1s

[obtuse cedar]

you must be wasting a bunch of resources then 🤷

cause every E1 are more punishing about mistake then this one is

[queen field]

Excluding R4E1's reactor, this E1 still seems more punishing resource-wise imo

Though you're right if you were to collect the ammopacks in the 1st & 3rd code

[obtuse cedar]

wanna go back to r4E1 high only were you got a total of 5 uses of ammo after the tank error alarm..

[velvet flower]

R7E1 is the most resource hungry E1 ever for sure.

[queen field]

This was epic

So epic i never did R4E1 high only

😳

But yeah high only was really unforgiving

If you don't trigger shit on R7E1, you have enough resources for sure

If you were to redo the 3rd or 4th code, that's another story

[forest horizon]

it was definitely pretty hard and dependent on good team cohesion to kill tanks fast

but you had bc so it wasnt that bad

[obtuse cedar]

how would you redo those waves? you have plenty of time to look around considering how small the zones are

[queen field]

I've seen baboons "forget" to input the code

for some reason

[obtuse cedar]

skill issue

[queen field]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Never got that issue so i can't relate

😔

[nocturne flax]

🙄

[faint skiff]

how would i contact the mods i got a extremely import message to tell them that i got sent form this server

[velvet flower]

DM @jaunty hedge

[faint skiff]

thank you

[obtuse surge]

you were just bad back in R4

E1 main objective still had more than enough ammo

to allow for mistakes

[uneven plank]

how do you get the scouts are friends role?

[obtuse surge]

you just ask

but doc is gone

for now

[uneven plank]

paging devs seems like a bad plan

does it have to be doc?

[obtuse surge]

i think its usually doc

but maybe other people give it out too

you could ask ravenna

[uneven plank]

@vestal mountain , can I have the scouts are friends role pretty please?

@obtuse surge made me, don't smite me 😦

[vestal mountain]

You should ask this in mod mail, but since u already asked here let me just walk you through it lmao. Do you promise to not harm the scout, and devote yourself to protecting them?

[uneven plank]

i will never, ever bonk scoots again

pinky promise

[vestal mountain]

Welcome to the scouts are friends gang :D

[uneven plank]

you rule, thanks! 😄

[vestal mountain]

Anytime homie, thats what im here for

[uneven plank]

word

[fallow wasp]

To be the lord of scouts there are two paths.
Be their salvation
be the emissary of their end

[real moss]

shoo shoo

[uneven plank]

wanna wrap myself in that spaghetti like a slimy blanket

[vestal mountain]

🤨 📸

This goes into the archives

[uneven plank]

lol which?

[vocal geode]

the shitty one

[uneven plank]

well ok thanks

[west umbra]

For C1, is it easier to enter zone 12-13-14 or zone 17-18-19?

To collect the GLP

[worldly cargo]

i find it easiest to do either 12 13 17 or 17 18 12

cause the last room is usually the worst for both sides

havent played C1 much tho so feel free to test

[west umbra]

Wait what do you mean the last room is the worst?

[slate cairn]

does opening both doors double the spawns?

wouldn't doing 12-13-14 or 17-18-19 be way better for less spawns

[devout river]

I mean

The spawns increase each time you enter a new zone anyways, regardless of where you go

dunno if its a static increase for each door opened or changes depends on whether its the first/second/third sec door though

[hot flame]

So is there a workaround for a terminal softlocking you? Tried leaving it alone or accessing a different terminal, but the terminal we need to progress was still inaccessible. (No prompt to use terminal after someone backed off of it)

or does B2 just have a softlock bug

Was inaccessible for all players.

[silent kettle]

have someone leave lobby and rejoin

then they should be able to fix terminals

(person who rejoined has to touch the terminal)

[mortal granite]

nvm someone already explain

[bold widget]

lmao

realized that if you're on max stamina your melee charges like 30 percent slower

[turbid cliff]

Yes

But that kind of stamina has been a thing since R1

[rocky marsh]

f u c k e 1

(in a good way)

i reckon r7 e1 is close to r4 e1 which was a g difficulty

[errant vigil]

No

Only thing that's the same is the easy waves of reactor

waiting for the day where they add a wave that sends a tank with some big chargers at once then 30 seconds later some hybrids and mother

with no checkpoint

[hexed vapor]

R7E1 is a lot closer to R2E1 than R4E1. R4E1 was consistently hard throughout, R2E1 was pretty meh all the way through until the error started. Resources are tight, but there's not actually much that R7E1 throws at you that is particularly threatening until reactor code hunts and the final reactor wave.

Both R2E1 and R7E1 have the aesthetic of E-tier without being that hard for most of it.

[errant vigil]

One class V, other is a permafoam one

R4E1 harder on main only

[mortal granite]

unless the Arena scan is bugged

and was supposed to spawn in 3 ways

[errant vigil]

yea it's really weird and dumb

4 hopefully

[mortal granite]

if all 3 doors spawn charger wave, i think it would have been a little harder

[errant vigil]

There're still doors to delay them even without foam

They would have 5 spawn points

[velvet flower]

R7E1's difficulty is on its own way.

Kind a unique level, so depends on preference it could be the hardest E1 or the easiest.

[errant vigil]

I'm fine with it

When you don't abuse mechanics

[hexed vapor]

I like the concept, but I think the execution was lacking, personally.

They could have done more with it.

[mortal granite]

the arena scan was a little easy when it only come in 1 direction

the code hunt wasn't too hard (except the last code)

[errant vigil]

Very beginning without babysitting up until double tank, and last code hunt without spawn block are my fav parts

[mortal granite]

i didn't even thought about the spawn blocking

[errant vigil]

others do

Closing extract scan btw

[velvet flower]

Last code usually has plenty time...it's the 2rd/3nd code usually intense more and it's way easier to spawn lock the shadow zone if you want the ammo in fog zone.

Does people really usually spawn block for 4th code? Didn't play with PuG E1s.

[errant vigil]

I've had no problem with 2nd and 3rd

[hexed vapor]

My group did the spawn block for 4th, it's just easier.

[errant vigil]

Waves are so easy you leave someone to go get codes

[hexed vapor]

You can kill a lot of stuff on the way, and then when you leave you have a clear path all the way.

[errant vigil]

cringe

alerting a scout and run out with a medi in hand

real shit

[mortal granite]

we usually pissed off everything in 4th code

it get more intense

*proceed to die on 100% extraction scan

[errant vigil]

Actually if mothers birth it lags more making it easier

[hexed vapor]

Pissing off everything on the way back is 🧀 confirmed.

[errant vigil]

ya got me

[velvet flower]

Is there a way to sneak back in 4th code with Mr X behind?

I thought alert everything on the way back is inevitable.

[errant vigil]

if he screams once he won't alert

[velvet flower]

Oh yeah...the funny scream system.

[errant vigil]

I've only done code 4 once and he screamed right away

pretty sure he's fast if you don't look at him

[velvet flower]

He's fast if the one he's chasing is far enough.

[errant vigil]

but data center/labs is funny

I know being a zone/subzone away makes him speed up

[velvet flower]

Even in the same area he'll sprint once he's far enough the the target.

[errant vigil]

has same ai as tank

but less starting attack range or whatever you want to call it

[mortal granite]

enemy don't really need to scream to alert room

if you have an awaken enemy running around the sleeping room

[bold widget]

what do you mean

[mortal granite]

they'll wake up anyway

so at least the devs "cheese" it

[turbid cliff]

Charge slowing down

The infinity symbol would turn red and charge slows the more you used melee

[bold widget]

really? huh.... never noticed

[turbid cliff]

It barely had any impact

[bold widget]

probably why i didn't notice anything

[atomic escarp]

immortal definitely does not have the same ai as tank

tank at least will back up due to intimidation

but immortal almost never backs up

most obvious is when you solo

[prisma zodiac]

i mean dont have to be intimidated when you cant be stopped

[west umbra]

Is it more efficient to bring Sniper + Bio tracker or Burst + Bio tracker?

[paper harness]

sniper and bio have synergy

but it depends on what you're trying to kill

[plush basin]

Sniper is cracked as hell with bio imo so I'd take that in almost every case

[paper harness]

burst is still the king for killing small fliers hands down

and is probably slightly more ammo efficient for small strikers

but sniper is just too juiced rn

[atomic escarp]

it's more ammo efficient if it doesn't hit dropoff

at 100% burst can kill 44 strikers/shooters, 269/6 rounded down

but the moment it hits dropoff, it will require one extra burst

then if it's a crawling shooter, then it will almost never hit

[west umbra]

hmmm

what about the new snatcher

[atomic escarp]

both sentries are shit against it

[west umbra]

hm XD

[atomic escarp]

sniper sentry will almost never be able to hit snatcher

here's a vid from someone else

https://streamable.com/ptb0sd

i don't know how did it get pass qa but it is what it is

[vocal geode]

didn't know you could avoid being snatched by going behind an obstacle

[turbid cliff]

Ah yes that stupid site you can't view on mobile without downloading

[vocal geode]

?

I can view it just fine

don't know what you're on about ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid cliff]

Keeps getting downloaded on my side

[atomic escarp]

i just click the link if it's on mobile

still a pretty good site for long vids because discord 8mb limit unless you go p2w

[turbid cliff]

Alright so you're not supposed to touch the whole vid part

Honestly not the first time sentries can't aim

I wonder how they decide which part of the enemy to aim at

[atomic escarp]

it should be the head but snatcher head is armoured + janky movement

so i presume that's why it never hits

[turbid cliff]

You'd still get a hit marker on the head

And janky movement doesn't excuse this miss rate

[hexed vapor]

^ Literally aimbot

Shouldn't be able to miss.

[atomic escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid cliff]

There might be a separate sentry align on enemies and it's just straight set wrong

Funny how in that case it'd hit more without being aimbot

[atomic escarp]

so yea mine is the only consistent tool that can kill/wound snatcher

4 mines + one choke mod/shotgun/high cali

or just 5

[turbid cliff]

You could try shotgun sentry

[atomic escarp]

and bio is just bio

knowledge is power

[turbid cliff]

And mines should be able to hit armor too

[atomic escarp]

for some reason i placed 5 mines while soloing e1 but it wouldn't kill him

needed one more high cal

but it's w/e

[turbid cliff]

Falloff or hit armor like i just said

[atomic escarp]

doubt it's falloff cuz it's upwards mine

and all 3 snatchers only spawns in tank room so i was kinda spawn killing it

probably armour but it would be weird because the mine would always hit the body as it's usually fast enough to not hit the head

[turbid cliff]

The way mines work they technically don't guarantee any order with several colliders hit afaik

[atomic escarp]

can't hit the head because he do be zoomin

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/243333817170001921/996371337239085056/blammo.mp4

[turbid cliff]

Eh hard to say

He might not be running at full speed all the time because reasons

[atomic escarp]

true

he does get intimated despite being 9 km

even on solo

where he just runs off for no reason

[turbid cliff]

Solo has nothing to do with it

And I don't personally like the name intimidation since it gives people the impression they have an active role in causing that

When it's just a check if the player can see the enemy

[hexed vapor]

@prisma zodiac @mortal granite

The end of the survive appears not to spawn much

Which is something I noticed in practice and in vids, too.

There's a lull in the action that's probably the down-time.

[mortal granite]

is overload also block thing to spawn?

or it's just the survival wave mechanic thingy...?

[atomic escarp]

then how would i call it

where they back up from me because

[turbid cliff]

Game calls it enemies strafing

Iirc

[atomic escarp]

ok so snatcher strafes for no reason sometimes

[hexed vapor]

Doesn't look it to me.

[mortal granite]

hmmm

gonna check another footage then

[hexed vapor]

W8, I read the wrong block. It's just a hybrid error w/ a pretty long delay and not very many of them.

[mortal granite]

seem like i'm right...

[hexed vapor]

Although I assume it'd stack w/ shadows and charger error.

[mortal granite]

about 7 minute, it stop spawning for a whole miniute

[hexed vapor]

Hybrid/big mix, maybe.

      "EventsOnGotoWin": [
        {
          "Type": "SetWorldEventCondition",
          "Condition": {
            "ConditionIndex": 9,
            "IsTrue": true
          },
[...]

This appears to be what spawns shadows, but not sure how to read it or what it refers to.

[mortal granite]

there should be something else leading to this

but i feel like this function is not 100% "good for the game" right now

since d1 overload use the same thing?

i guess?

[vestal zephyr]

okay so because I'm a moron, is there a trick to fast clearing in C3 from the uplink to the ammo zone beyond just 'get good'?

[mortal granite]

there is

it called, shoot better

[vestal zephyr]

"shoot better"

heading to ammo room
hmm

unless there's ammo before uplink

[mortal granite]

"alright guys, 4 MACHINE GUNS"

the game should give you enough ammo to messed around for another 20 minutes

[vestal zephyr]

oh, I'm talking about during the 10m setup

where you have to push through to the resource room

[prisma zodiac]

its mostly get good

get the right path

[vestal zephyr]

I'm not great at fast clearing yet so I'm wondering if it's just practice or if there's a specific way it should be done

[mortal granite]

there are 60 uses of ammo in the entire C3

[hexed vapor]

You can get pretty fast kills if you can reliably duo giants.

[mortal granite]

[prisma zodiac]

you can avoid some of the rooms if you dont trigger the charger scouts

[hexed vapor]

You need to quickly identify the most isolated enemies, whether the scouts are in the way or not, and whether or not it's faster to clear or ignore.

[vestal zephyr]

Fortunately the scouts usually aren't in the way unless we really start scumming for resources. Off the top of my head, there's only three charger scouts that are actually in the way.

And even that's dependent on where they're schmovin

[wary olive]

knowing how to melee kill a giant by staggering the limb break helps a ton with duoing giants or if one of them wakes up due to long aggro

also knowing how to bait hybrid melee when theyre awake so they dont scream

[vestal zephyr]

That's a good question, how do you bait hybrid melee? is it basically just advanced kiting?

[wary olive]

you just get close enough to it to get it to start swinging but you can back out before you actually get hit

can do the same with giants, but its more punishing if you fuck up with them

[atomic escarp]

just be behind it cuz sniper melee

:^)

[vestal zephyr]

sniper melee?

oh this shit

this shit's caused several run wipes for me recently

[half hornet]

Yeah, it's cringe

Once you become aware of it you always have to wonder now: did I deserve that hit or not?

Is being bitten around corners a thing? Is it normal that the giant 20m away from me was preparing to bite my teammate who clearly triggered him, but he went for my face instead?

[boreal tendon]

fix is closer than you think

.mods

how do you use this

[half hornet]

.t moda

Goddammit

[mortal granite]

.t mod

.? mods

[prisma zodiac]

yes that happens even without sniper melee lol

[half hornet]

.t mods

[prisma zodiac]

(the giant thing)

[boreal tendon]

programming hard

[half hornet]

Oh, he doesn't like that

[boreal tendon]

a single line and so much trouble, guess it happens everywhere

[half hornet]

.t modding

[jaunty hedge]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[half hornet]

There we go! They changed the tag

[mortal granite]

to be fair tho, their netcode is still solid

it's just 1 bug cause a major trouble

[turbid cliff]

Hah

Because this is the first bug related to networking

[nocturne flax]

Nobody ask for fix neither

[turbid cliff]

Also because without any bugs the connection is flawless and you don't even really notice you're playing client

[nocturne flax]

[atomic escarp]

please don't fix sniper melee because it artificially lowers the win rate

so 10cc can continue calling this a hardcore game

😦

[turbid cliff]

And it totally doesn't feel like my connection is like 200 ms compared to 10-20 in every other damn game i played with my friend

[errant vigil]

I like how one of versions of the modding server’s sniper melee fix made the bots take no melee damage from giants,hybrids,etc

[mortal granite]

1 line of code

[errant vigil]

I commend them for trying to fix it but that was funny af

[boreal tendon]

actually, this was because the fix was extended from 1liner

[turbid cliff]

For no real reason

[obtuse surge]

gaming would be fun if u fix the game

🗿

you're just like banning all the people who play alot

cuz theyre truely upset

[atomic escarp]

you need to remember

game doesn't have microtransactions or dlcs, so your value towards the game monetarily speaking

is non-existent now

[glass sundial]

He tried to also make it so hits were only registered client side

Currently if you completely 2000% dodge a hit, it doesn't matter if you still got hit on the host's screen. Results in clients taking a lot of questionable damage.

[dark lake]

Just sell previous rundown 2€ each and it'll rise

[glass sundial]

His fix made it so dodges are actually dodges. 100% of the time

Unfortunately it had the bot bug but to be fair bots suicide into giants normally anyway that got fixed though

[obtuse surge]

it makes sense i keep getting stoners in the lfgs

they the only people that can play as client without getting pissed off

[glass sundial]

The more you recognize the problem, the more frustrating it gets

I go out of my way to not talk about it if I play pubs so they can dream a bit longer

[hexed vapor]

I find it a bit funny that the excuse for a while was that most people don't notice it.

But it's become increasingly clear that, actually, a lot of people notice it.

[glass sierra]

yeah lol

[hexed vapor]

Especially now when a lot of non-vets are starting to get properly good at the game.

[wary olive]

yep they know enough to think "hey i shouldnt have gotten hit by that"

[hexed vapor]

They start to notice when they're taking BS damage in a situation where they can't afford to take free hits.

Or when they learn good recoil control but enemies teleport out of their crosshair.

[glass sundial]

Most people kept discussions and complaints about it to private servers and VCs. Just a month ago there were under 10 mentions of the bug to my knowledge on this server

[hexed vapor]

Def not the case.

It was a pretty regular conversation topic.

[glass sundial]

I've been pretty inactive here so I must've missed most of it

By last month I mean pre-R7

[hexed vapor]

Yep.

[digital dawn]

True, people kept telling new players that sniper melee makes it impossible to have fun, that's a great way to greet people 👍

[hexed vapor]

Not my job to sell the game.

They should consider fixing major bugs.

[digital dawn]

not your job to tell new ppl to effectively leave immediately either ^^

[hexed vapor]

I don't feel obligated to hide information about the state of the game from people.

I don't think I even do when I'm promoting it.

The game is in a bad state, it shouldn't be.

[worldly cargo]

and i mean, sniper melee does make it pretty hard to have fun

[hexed vapor]

I fully believe the devs have the ability to improve things considerably pretty easily, but there are systemic problems that prevent that.

And again, I don't need to tell people about sniper melee for them to notice it.

R6 and R7 players that don't actively chat are getting better at the game to meet R7's difficulty curve, and they're seeing it all the same, because it's just that severe of an issue.

[digital dawn]

But you did. New ppl literally came in here, saying they had the best time playing this game. And at least 2 ppl immediately jumped in to convince them that its actually impossible that they had fun.

regardless of what those new ppl said

[obtuse surge]

because its true

cope

[digital dawn]

?

[obtuse surge]

high-level play is impossible as client

[digital dawn]

damn, we had a lot of solo clears then in r6/7 I guess

with 3 ppl unable to play right?

[obtuse surge]

yeh

it was quite impressive

[digital dawn]

nice

[obtuse surge]

that we still clear levels like this

it shows how easy the game still is if you have 4 people with guns

[digital dawn]

gj

[hexed vapor]

The discourse in this server largely doesn't stray from the facts of the matter. A big reason much of the post-R6 conversation was so negative was because, genuinely, there was a lot to be unhappy with, and not many good arguments against those negative views.

[obtuse surge]

3 of them can be mostly disabled and it's still fine

[hexed vapor]

It's just the reality of the game.

People that want to be positive are limited, because there's not much to say anymore.

[obtuse surge]

you say this as if its not that big of a deal but i have a group i play with where we lose 80% of the time if im not the host

and win 90% if i am the host

it truely matters this much

[glass sundial]

The only good argument in favor of the enemy positions being horribly desynced is "not noticing it"

The only way to not notice it is to either roll a nat 0 perception or just being too inexperienced at the game

Or both

[digital dawn]

I didn't even say it wasn't a problem.

[hexed vapor]

I'm not convinced that inexperienced players don't notice it.

[obtuse surge]

"damn, we had a lot of solo clears then in r6/7 I guess
with 3 ppl unable to play right?"

[hexed vapor]

I think they just rationalize it differently.

They assume it's their fault, that they're lagging, that the game is janky, etc.

[obtuse surge]

you are being sarcastic implying that those 3 still being able to play just fine

[hexed vapor]

Which is still a pretty negative impression.

They just aren't going to pick out and blame the actual problem.

[worldly cargo]

i think it's more they do notice it but assume it's the way the game is in general

[wary olive]

even then, we made it clear to doc that it was better to revert the change and delay new content, but apparently they thought otherwise. told us they split the dev builds so they were not able to revert it or something like that

[digital dawn]

Just fine and not able to play at all isn't the same tho? There is quite a bit of room between those two.

[worldly cargo]

like if you join in r6 r7 and just start playing with no one telling you that client experience was way better before, you wouldn't know

[obtuse surge]

well the bug happens all the time but if the enemy isn't behind a wall you don't realise that its a problem unless you know what their range is supposed to be

as client you can only deal with very minor threats compared to the host

[digital dawn]

I'm sorry if I made this unclear I just had a problem with the overuse of making it seem like it actually stops 3/4 from playing at all.

Which it doesn't.

[glass sundial]

I remember this response. It clearly had nothing to do with sniper melee. I don't know what that post was about because sniper melee has been the only long standing majorly impactful bug since R6

[obtuse surge]

it nearly does

[glass sundial]

it has a huge domino effect

Enemies basically have 2 effective attack starting positions since the game checks damage on client and host

So all enemies have 2 attack cones

[hexed vapor]

Pretty regular frustration, limiting your arsenal, certain mechanics or scenarios becoming much worse... it's a pretty big hit on enjoyment.

[glass sundial]

So you generally can't dodge as effectively. They also stop moving toward you from much further so you get damage fall off so you waste more ammo

[hexed vapor]

Tbh a big reason R6 wasn't so terrible was that chargers were very rare and a lot of the meta weapons were semi-auto and long-range.

[obtuse surge]

also because we got to play launch without the bug

[hexed vapor]

D2 Secondary was painful.

The combination of chargers and the shapes of the entrances was just terrible.

[digital dawn]

I won't even argue with that, I can understand that there are ppl that are super annoyed by that (rightfully). But when you have somebody telling you that they had the exact opposite experience of what you just described and insist on convincing them that the game is "broken, unplayable etc.". That's whats annoying to read. And this conversation happened like every 3 days. It's pretty annoying ngl.

[obtuse surge]

thats a problem for the devs

not for ray

or anyone else in the community for that matter

[digital dawn]

I guess we have a different view on that

[hexed vapor]

Genuine question, what do you think are the most prevalent causes of low player retention/poor recruitment?

[digital dawn]

Hm

[mortal granite]

the "hardcore" thing

i think

[digital dawn]

Yeah

[mortal granite]

not really well known

just make a casual game and you'll be banking

[hexed vapor]

Not quite what I was going for, but sure.

I suppose I mean, unrelated to the game's identity.

Because the hardcore thing is hard to get rid of without probably gutting GTFO as it's existed since R1.

[digital dawn]

Probably? Whats the point?

[plush basin]

The rundown system perhaps? Clearing the content and then getting immersed in something different. Though you could still call that the "game identity"

[mortal granite]

it's hard for casual player

and we have a lot of casual player

like billion

[hexed vapor]

I personally feel like content drought and general bugginess are both really bad for player retention, personally.

[cold epoch]

It takes a particular mindset to go again and again for nothing else than the thrill of completing

[digital dawn]

Most players play a few levels and go to play another game. Then they come back next Rundown.

[hexed vapor]

Like, I think a big reason R7 didn't see the same spike as R6 is because the game just isn't on people's minds after 6 months.

[cold epoch]

most people don't go past the first three levels

[hexed vapor]

Compared to R1 -> R2 retention.

[mortal granite]

then try R6E

it's similar to this game

but for casual

[hexed vapor]

0of

R6E seemed okay, but not sure I could get invested in it.

I think I unironically enjoy PuGs a bit too much, and the PuG scene for R6E seems way scuffed.

[mortal granite]

you need 12 hour

and done

[hexed vapor]

But maybe that's because I'm playing low difficulty.

[mortal granite]

it's scaled

[digital dawn]

Pretty sure R6 had more ppl because it was shown at whatever that show was called and it being the release version. If you think we will get the same numbers on a random update you will probably be disappointed.

[mortal granite]

it has been dying

because of 0 content

[digital dawn]

same reason R1-R2 was better, because it was still fresh and ppl heard about it for the first time.

*better in terms of that number

[hexed vapor]

R1 had the same advantage, though, and was early access, and still had more people return for R2 as a %. Meanwhile, R6 -> R7 appears (hard to tell because of free weekend) to have been alarmingly close to early access numbers.

[plush basin]

thats kind of the problem though I think Duck, and maybe Ray's point. If the numbers do keep dropping off for future rundowns then that is the player retention sort of failing and the game slowly dying

[digital dawn]

Well yeah, but that is every single game ever, right?

Hoping we magically get more players each update is kinda strange

[hexed vapor]

I personally feel like that retention could have been much higher, like 75%, if they had quicker updates and peoples impressions of the game weren't related to bugs.

[plush basin]

And I don't think that would be such a problem if the way this game was being developed didn't put a requirement on the devs to keep producing content

[hexed vapor]

Not impossible it was doomed, but I'm a bit more optimistic than that.

[plush basin]

I mean they've upscaled their business and hired a bigger team right? So they must want to see numbers rise, or atleast not drop like they are

[obtuse surge]

it takes a game that's fun to play

[plush basin]

And if that isn't going to be the case I guess it comes down to how large of a veteran playerbase they can maintain

[cold epoch]

I agree , but there's something more to is, since This was a problem way before R5 tho

[hexed vapor]

Tbh I think some of the fall-off is genuinely vets losing interest.

At least in my anecdotal experience in PuGs (and some vague surveying w/ the search bar), a surprising amount of people either started in R6 or R7.

[cold epoch]

Is it that suprising? considering the peaks there

[digital dawn]

Which is to be expected when you put multiple thousand hours into a game that wasn't even designed for that extreme playtime.

[glass sundial]

I think most of the fall is is chargers stopping to attack 12 meters away, most guns have a shorter effective range than that

[obtuse surge]

thats just every game

some people only play on new content drop

they're not the in the same boat

[mortal granite]

the game was made just for new content drop

[obtuse surge]

i do that myself for a lot of games too

but if you'd ask me if i "play" those games i'd just say no

gtfo just considers that its gimmick

just leave for half a year and then come back to the game

the intended way

[digital dawn]

Ok but wouldn't you say thats your problem then? Rather than the devs fault?

[plush basin]

What would success look like for this game then?

If its not expected that new players would magically appear at a new rundown drop, and also that people will stop playing after they've cleared the content

[digital dawn]

Pretty much exactly what happens now, I guess

[cold epoch]

If we're talking from a financial standpoint, new players joining every rundown, which is what's happening

[digital dawn]

Ppl play at new Rundowns and then come back for the next.

[craggy flame]

However when the old playerbase starts being annoyed and become vocal sales will drop. It does not seem that the free weekend did that much either

[cold epoch]

It litteraly established a new peak of concurrent players

[plush basin]

Anecdotally I thought the free weekend did quite well, but I've not examined the numbers like that

[craggy flame]

which doesn't matter cause they never bought it

these numbers do not mean anything if they cannot make money from it

[weak nest]

wonder whats the percentage of players that launched the game and never made pass A1, just installed and quit

[cold epoch]

Do we even have numbers on that? (Acedia)

[craggy flame]

sure we got 18000 peak players. if 1000 only bought it. then it did not much. Obv I do not know either, but considering that the average numbers are as low as before. I do not think it did much.

[cold epoch]

A lot didn't even launch, but I'd say it's the same for a lot of games, if you check achievements stats for example (of other games, we can't have this in GTFO, due to no achievement)

[plush basin]

Looking at steamdb the resolution isn't really good enough to tell if concurrent players remained high for long after the free weekend. The players that would return anyway cos of the new rundown are also gonna be mixed in ofc

[cold epoch]

Looking at steam spy, 12791 for last day of free weekend, 4306 for the day after

Also 18k players peak mean there's a lot more during the whole day, it's just peak concurrent players

[hexed vapor]

I don't think coddling the devs is productive.

There's not really much the players can do for the game if the major factors going for or against it are up to decisions the developers make.

[digital dawn]

And?

[digital dawn]

Agreed, that's not even what I said.

[obtuse surge]

I would indeed

But I play this game even when there's no new content

that's why i'm upset now

because the game is broken and it's not so fun to replay

[hexed vapor]

That's kind of the vibe I get from you. Feels like you'd defend the game to the ends of the earth, even if it's the worse decision.

[glass sundial]

/package SniperMeleeFix

sadge no tag for it

[digital dawn]

Not really

[sick hornet]

Hasnt this guy done this before

[digital dawn]

Glad we could agree

[sick hornet]

In like r4

[hexed vapor]

I dunno, you seem pretty salty over Discord negativity.

[sick hornet]

Is this a doc alt? Genuinely

[digital dawn]

What?

[obtuse surge]

the epic fail of free weekend during broken game

[digital dawn]

Yes because I can't understand people actually harassing someone for multiple years and then celebrating when the person leaves their own server. Don't you see anything wrong with that?

[half hornet]

It wasnt that bad

[bold widget]

what exactly happened i wasnt there when it was a thing

[obtuse surge]

u right they were all complaining about the checkpoint carry item bug instead of the sniper melee!!

[bold widget]

litteraly all of the new players ? lolololol

[obtuse surge]

all is exaggerate

[hexed vapor]

As far as I'm concerned, I haven't seen the actual harassment, nor does it seem like most of the talk rn is in promotion of such.

[obtuse surge]

but it was pretty common here

[hexed vapor]

Although, I don't think hating D0c is unfair.

A lot of people haven't forgotten.

[kind surge]

Wdym? I've seen people complaining about him all the time

[hexed vapor]

Regardless of how relevant it actually is to the state of the game.

[jolly perch]

complaining about someone is harassment

[hexed vapor]

That's not harassment, that's just the general attitude about him.

You can't magic that away.

[digital dawn]

Are we even on the same server?

[atomic escarp]

i would like to report frostty for harassment because he is always projecting

[digital dawn]

Doesn't feel like it

[kind surge]

🔨 🇧 🇦 🇳 ?

Can magic it away

[sick hornet]

Yep

[hexed vapor]

The irony is lost.

[brisk jetty]

hey guys, me and my friends been stuck on C1 for a bit, we are noobs, how do you get to door 18 after u need to gather glp canisters? it needs a generator but we dont know where teh cell is

[kind surge]

Besides, nobody deserves to be harassed and complained about 24/7

[sick hornet]

This is a doc alt

[half hornet]

Part of me does. Especially since I do not trust the word "harrasment" these days. It's too vague.

If what was happening is that people kept reporting same issue with increasingly high degree of frustration and no progress was being made except for the guy participating in flame wars... I can see how some people can see that as a win.

[obtuse surge]

the definition for harassment its literally just bothering someone

[half hornet]

Oh

[digital dawn]

Pretty sure you read even more reddit posts and discord messages than me so I would assume you would read even more stuff that what I'm seeing.

[sick hornet]

List the cells, you need 4

They should all be in the same zone

[plush basin]

pretty sure harrassment is actually a legal term. More likely what people are talking about is bullying. Not that those semantics matter that much

[brisk jetty]

we only found 3

[bold widget]

i wonder if that has anything to do about it him leaving the server

[brisk jetty]

only 2 show up on the terminal right now, we have used 1

so 3 in total

[obtuse surge]

harassment has a huge range of what it could actually be

[queen field]

Guess i got muted for "bothering" people i'm part of

😳

[obtuse surge]

but i think it probably was pretty serious for doc

[hexed vapor]

And I haven't seen any. It sounds to me like most of the bother was (1) Discord negativity during the vacation and (2) people pestering D0c to be more transparent.

[obtuse surge]

💀

[obtuse cedar]

probably was more severe in dms

🤷

[plush basin]

I think harassment generally has to do with picking on a protected characteristic. So probably not what happened to Doc

[half hornet]

No, that's a horrible definition

[hexed vapor]

The tone I get from you, though, is that you think the harassment is something akin to berating him or even something more serious like threats, which I'm simply not privy to.

[half hornet]

Because fuck protected characteristics

[queen field]

Doc was not harassed as they call it

People have been insistent (for good reasons) and doc didn't give a shit

[obtuse surge]

based 😎

[bold widget]

did you get muted earlier ? lol

[queen field]

Yeah

[digital dawn]

me? just making sure before I answer

[queen field]

You know

the usual gamer & harassment sentence

[hexed vapor]

Yes.

[queen field]

Mods muted me 30 min after it occured

And these monkeys don't even know i'm part of the said minorities

[bold widget]

OOF

[plush basin]

I hate to see Ray and Duck clash like this 😦

[queen field]

Good thing to know these guys can't handle anything

Some dude pinged them several times while insulting them

no mute

epic

Anyway no point in me continuing talking about that nonsense 😳

[half hornet]

The image of a man just pouring jet fuel into a bonfire just doesn't leave my mind

[queen field]

Lmao

[half hornet]

This server was dead 2 hours ago

[queen field]

The server : 💤
Calle : says literally anything
The server : 💥

[bold widget]

well its what he said :p

[queen field]

yeah

wanted to summarize it

😳

[bold widget]

UwU

[errant vigil]

Yall didn't realize strikers were male what do you think they attack you with

[plush basin]

Wrong channel bud

[queen field]

what is the correct channel

[kind surge]

18+ gtfo-chat innuendo

Rn

[plush basin]

none. but also #gtfo-chat

[queen field]

#rp-furries ?

[bold widget]

notices your spear OwO

[digital dawn]

Aside from the fact that ppl were definitely berating him and accusing him of stuff that I won't even repeat here, I don't think you are being really honest when you say you haven't seen that same stuff. A bunch of it was in the comments below your own reddit post after all.

[obtuse cedar]

yo move on please. people seemed to have moved on

or take it in dm

i do not care

[kind surge]

We are just busy in gtfo-chat

[queen field]

Can't wait for people to make a real RP

[obtuse cedar]

give it time

[hexed vapor]

Not really sure what you've invented there. Especially at the time, the attitude was absolutely pretty reasonable. I guess you weren't there if you were mostly active starting in R4? Even some of the more extreme allegations I personally believe have some credibility based on what I've heard from people that were around at the time.

[kind surge]

Honestly I don't think it's purely about the allegations, two wrongs don't make a right

[queen field]

Parsley 💀

Anyway

[velvet flower]

I do agree calling devs "thick-skinned" and "egocentric" is personal attack.

[queen field]

How so ?

Afaik people aren't talking about their person

But about their role as a dev

And as a dev they act like total ghosts to me

They'd be a good competitor against CIA when it comes to non-existent com

Legit everything can be seen or not seen as a personal attack

[velvet flower]

They are following the trails of PUBG, yes.

[kind surge]

a lot of the dev hate was specifically against doc

[queen field]

Correct

[kind surge]

I'd say that's personal

[queen field]

Wasn't he the one that was very anti-modding ?

[kind surge]

I think so

[queen field]

Afaik that was a personal opinion

Not something that the other devs wholeheartedly agreed on

[craggy flame]

He was technically the dude, who did everything. Positive and Negative. Ludvig existed sure, but that was all. He was going against veterans. So it makes sense alot of frustration and hate goes against him. Not that I think it is all justified

[queen field]

And that is something even R1/R2 BH can say

[craggy flame]

other devs were like ghosts

and are still ghosts

[kind surge]

Given what the community did to doc, I wonder why

[obtuse cedar]

it is easier to target a single person then a group of people

[kind surge]

Again, I'm not defending him but jesus

[plush basin]

I mean, the ire for Doc isn't unearned, right? Some of the things that he has done indicate that he may not be the nicest guy, or at best made some poor decisions? But then I suppose its a personal attack to mention that so the alternative is just silence? 🤷 (Not saying people haven't taken it too far, its the internet so ofc people will)

Whereas other devs just be devvin, which people may or may not be happy with, but thats all business and not personal

[jolly perch]

I recall him having wacky views which would have punished people not running four-man

[plush basin]

Thats a new one to me

[jolly perch]

like iirc not wanting a certain bug with s1 scans fixed that made soloing/duoing so boring on expeditions with it back in r4

[kind surge]

Isn't this game specifically designed and marketed for 4 person teams though?

[fierce laurel]

I don't think it was a bug

just something they eventually changed

[craggy flame]

I remember these were incredibly slow with solo and duo.

[jolly perch]

yeah but that doesn't mean "go out of your way to target people who aren't running 4 person teams"

[jolly perch]

i would hope its a bug and not something intentional LOL

[plush basin]

It could just be a poorly thought out decision. They probs were thinking of 4 man teams rather than people soloing

[kind surge]

Scan progress is dependant on number of players though

[fierce laurel]

S1 scans were just the nature of scan scaling

[kind surge]

Of course it would be slower

[jolly perch]

s1 scans were slower than they should have been though

way slower

[fierce laurel]

no they weren't

[plush basin]

S1 scans don't progress if everyone is not in so why should it scale by number of player

[fierce laurel]

people just had to kite in solo duo runs

[fierce laurel]

they used old scan code

[kind surge]

Realistically? Because it's copying code from other scans

[fierce laurel]

no reason not to

[kind surge]

It's efficient

[plush basin]

or lazy

[kind surge]

How is reusing code lazy?

If it works it works

[plush basin]

It makes it impossible for solo players and impacts their experience

[kind surge]

You don't need to remake everything

[jolly perch]

yes they were

[kind surge]

Tbf originally solo runs were thought to be impossible so they weren't balanced for or accounted for

[jolly perch]

small s1 scans in solo runs were like x10+ more than four players

[plush basin]

Originally? I mean the ones I recall complaints about were in R4 so surely they knew by then people were soloing stuff

[kind surge]

I'm talking like r1

And around early access launch

[plush basin]

There weren't S1 scans in R1

[kind surge]

But we are talking about scan progress with number of players and balancing

[plush basin]

For S scans, no?

[kind surge]

Ik

[jolly perch]

with four players, a small s1 scan takes 10 seconds

back in r4 it would take 140 seconds solo

[kind surge]

then its probably intentional

[jolly perch]

it wasn't and was an oversight on their end

[plush basin]

if that was intentional thats even worse

[kind surge]

but you just said

[kind surge]

do you know or dont you

[craggy flame]

it was not. I know

[jolly perch]

it was a joke

they've said before it wasnt intentional

but if it was that would be kinda shit

[glass sundial]

S1s had a miscalculation on the dev's end of the scaling speeds. Scan speeds are manually set per player

It went from 10 seconds 4-man to 90 seconds solo

That does not follow any pattern of normal scans at all

[jolly perch]

it was 90 solo? oops

[glass sundial]

Yeah

[jolly perch]

dont know why i was thinking 140

[glass sundial]

It was

Or 140

Either way it was just a miscalculation

You basically to 1/X, X being the amount of seconds you want

[plush basin]

Is it because S scans have a natural factor working against the scan progression (why it decreases when not everyone is in), and one player would only contribute a quarter of the progression that a full team would?

[glass sundial]

So a 6 second scan is calculated as 1/6, so you get 0.16667 scan progression rate

They just calculated it very very wrong

The regression is only enabled when not progressing, it does not change by team size

They just calculated the stats wrong

They probably did 1/140 instead of 1/14

Since that would go from 14 seconds to 140

I've made like 25+ different sets of base scans so I'm intimately familiar with accidentally butchering calculator inputs

[west umbra]

I feel like there is something wrong with the snatcher's IA system. There were four people and the snatcher headed straight for the guy in the back-

During our whole C1 run, it only went for the two only korean players XD

racially motivated-

[half hornet]

Hehehehhe

Asians can't escape the tentacles

[west umbra]

shit man...

[obtuse cedar]

wait until one snatcher take over your control but actually snatch someone else...making it basically snatching 2 people

very fun 🙂

[west umbra]

:DDD

[fierce laurel]

[main trout]

free btw

lmfao jk

this game is pretty fun

[kind swan]

Impossible.

[midnight marten]

Does anyone know if in C2 if you can hold off doing the overload objective until you have the last 2 cells from the last room that way you can do the overload objective without the constant alarm?

[fierce laurel]

yes

its much easier

remember to clear ovl after doing the 3rd and 4th cell though

@midnight marten

[midnight marten]

okay thank you

[solemn wigeon]

Or you can be not cringe and do it on the 3rd cell like a normal person

[atomic escarp]

ok but i do it with the 4th cell

[distant geode]

So, finally made it through C1

I don't know if this is a bug

But I had the biters and shooters literally spawning in the air where I was looking,dropping to the ground, then activating their AI

My teammate was pushing deeper into GPL-2 territory, while I held position on the entrance one zone away

Is that just intended behavior or?

[hard horizon]

Whats with rng lowest drop of aggressive have supply efficiency and tools. I didnt get any drop of those.

[distant geode]

wish they made the artifacts work STALKER style

[hard horizon]

Imagine having a artifat shop instead of random drop

[distant geode]

"Warden Processing"
Standby : Warden assessing retrieved artifact

[mortal granite]

this happen when you're splitting up

[fierce laurel]

expect to get one out of 15

[lofty elm]

What is this

[glass sundial]

Ran out of function marker allocation moment

[sick hornet]

the game not having enough spawn locations

[glass sundial]

Pretend it's not there

[lofty elm]

Ah gotcha thanks haha

[fierce laurel]

you opened the box

and I came

[lofty elm]

Yo?!

[abstract inlet]

Just saw one of those too

It couldn't be opened though

[lofty elm]

Yeah same here

Couldn't be opened, there were like 3 in the same room

[abstract inlet]

Was yours in one of the dead end loot rooms that chargers spawn in during the room scan @lofty elm?

We had one in the center of that room on the ground, and another box that was half inside a wall so we couldn't even see if it was a regular box or another of those

[lofty elm]

Yeah they were there

[abstract inlet]

Weird as hell

[hard horizon]

that box is just nothing

[hardy flame]

Is there any way to fix bugged terminal ???

[mortal granite]

tell 1 guy to log out of the team (not host)

and then rejoin

[woeful lintel]

what is the factor on how many pouncers spawn from D1 overload ?

its seems like random between 1-4

[errant vigil]

Really only should be 1

Desync can cause more

[woeful lintel]

we recently got 4 per spawn wave

that's crazy

[errant vigil]

Clear overload with everyone, have everyone but host leave, host puts in commands, wait a bit and have the others rejoin

Or take your luck

[woeful lintel]

will see if that works, thanks

[mortal granite]

only 1 spawn

it's client issue, the more ping your teammate has, the more pouncer you get

[errant vigil]

Anyone ever test if projectile resist reduces FF damage

Would be funny

[mortal granite]

i have some

bitch

[errant vigil]

we try later homo

[mortal granite]

do you have the gtfo drip video z

[errant vigil]

The music one?

[mortal granite]

ye

[errant vigil]

It was recently posted, want me to link to the message?

[mortal granite]

ye

[errant vigil]

give me some time I lied

It wasn't posted recently it seems

Unless im ret4rded

me sad, me dumb, me find it later

[solemn wigeon]

Story of my life

[obtuse surge]

if i drop in alone i get exactly 1 on the first drop, 2 on the next, then 3, and so on

[atomic escarp]

So it's the script not resetting properly?

[obtuse surge]

i dont think the desync thing is true

it just adds more every drop

[silent kettle]

the fact that people have to guess how the quantity of snatchers is affected is amazing

[mortal granite]

well, the stream i linked sometime ago (after the patch), have me in the team and got 3 snatchers, after reset, i left and someone joined, and then they only get 2

i also have some desync issue

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[obtuse surge]

maybe you dropped in once more than they did before

im pretty sure if i've dropped in 4 times already and raised my count to 5

i can then join a lobby and they will get at least 5

its why it really sucks because ALL of you need to be on your first drop if you want things to go as intended

which is also why your technique of just having the host only will kind of work as you've removed 3 possible people that may not be on their first drop anymore

and the limit on the spawns you guys seem to notice makes sense because people simply crash due to the new environment never unloading and the game just loading more instances of it everytime

which may also be the reason for the multiple snatcher spawns

[vestal zephyr]

is the one Bishop voiceline with the biotracker when there's no enemies supposed to be "not today, you sausage" or "not a sausage"

[royal lichen]

not.. a... sausage <- that's how i hear it

[fringe surge]

are the locations for the code terminals in E1 constant?

some vc members have asked if I knew where the terminals are so I assumed they're in the same place everytime

[vague mauve]

Yes

[fringe surge]

oh

hm

ty for the info

[obtuse surge]

moving terminals only exist as a bug for now

whenever they put too much items in a zone

like D2 this rundown

[atomic escarp]

why would projectile res reduce ff dmg, if the guns are hitscan

:^)

[west umbra]

I cannot find the terminal for the error alarm in D1

where.... tis it

after the alarm door within it, where do I go-

[mortal granite]

probably upstair

[west umbra]

is it right after the alarm door?

[mortal granite]

i'll give you map

easier that way

[mortal granite]

it's in zone 199D? and it's upstair

https://i.imgur.com/yUINrku.jpeg

full resolution map from RandomKenny

[west umbra]

are all the red markers alarm doors?

sorry for the questions Xd

[queen field]

no

sec doors

[west umbra]

hmmm alright thank you!

[mortal granite]

i was thinking

would it be better if we do all 6 cells for main first in C2 and then go for overload?

[half hornet]

You cant

It's impossible

[mortal granite]

like, every time you get a pair of cell, you go back to the main as fast as possible

[half hornet]

Unless you bug-dupe it

[mortal granite]

i'm not finished

[glass sundial]

The TL;DR in layman's terms is that the terminal command objective event is bugged for client and gets continuously called until the host's game recognizes the command

So D1 overload will "complete" multiple times and repeatedly trigger the waves

Hence why when everyone leaves and there's no longer clients to cause the bug, it only finishes once and you get 1 pouncer

[mortal granite]

from my perspective, it seem desync are also the culprit

i watched fireblade video

and he has only 1 spawn

since everyone in his team are in the same region, so connection was pretty smooth

[glass sundial]

Yeah gets much worse on latency

[mortal granite]

i got 3 because of desync

when i hop out, a more stable player joined and they (the streamer) got 2

[glass sundial]

It's similar to how doors will shut themselves

[mortal granite]

so it's corrected

anyway, follow my c2 masterplan

if you do everything, and save the last 2 cells

you could do overload with those 2 cells

[half hornet]

So like... Take both?

[glass sundial]

That's the easy method but the chad method is more fun if you have a good team

[half hornet]

Open the optional door, get key, then go for overload?

[mortal granite]

ye

save 2 last cell

[half hornet]

I mean... You can, but it's a lot of extra work and backtracking between places.

[mortal granite]

nobody forced you to do it on the first 2 cells

[glass sundial]

Putting in the 5th main cell completely eradicates the fog despite the objective text

[half hornet]

There's no real advantage to it

Just more opportunities to get infected

[mortal granite]

i didn't get that bug as well...

[glass sundial]

It says to put in 2 to shut off alarms and fog, but for some reason it's just 1, so you trigger those at 5 instead of 6

[half hornet]

I fucking hope so

[mortal granite]

well, you already got infected when doing the 5th and 6th cell

[glass sundial]

Objective text says to bring 2 cells but events get called at 1. I believe it's probably not intended due to the objective text contradiction but who knows

[mortal granite]

while for 1 2 3 4th cell, you need to race back and potentially get less infection

[half hornet]

It's preference I suppose. There's no real advantage to it. Just awful lot of backtracking.

[mortal granite]

ye

but you also have a lot of resources to do main

[half hornet]

My team considered it

And we checked the path

[mortal granite]

and i feel that was easier

just the long walk from the last 2 cell zone to 1st 2 cell zone

and then go to overload

[half hornet]

It's like go all the way from cell room to the opposite side of generator, clear the area to find the key, then go around generator again to overload door.

[mortal granite]

if we do the way i just presented, i think you use less resources

[half hornet]

Hm, maybe. Maybe not.

[mortal granite]

but it just a lot of backtracking

[half hornet]

Depends on how bad the fog will be too.

[glass sundial]

Overload @5 strains resources, but Overload @2 is hella brutal

[mortal granite]

the fog is really not that bad

you can see clearly in fog

[glass sundial]

Yeah you can see but you progressively get health capped at 1% and you have chargers

[mortal granite]

but you will have fog repeller

[glass sundial]

And you have to not have team mates screw up holding the wave while you deal with the cell zone

[mortal granite]

i remember charger zone isn't that bad

[glass sundial]

First attempt at the level my team kinda got trashed in overload lol. Second attempt when we came back the next day went pretty clean though. Just gotta be ready for it and have the right tools

[mortal granite]

i got a clear i think, second try

the first try was people trying to melee charger scout and miss

[plush basin]

The fog going down on the fifth cell is just a checkpoint bug I think?

[mortal granite]

and then 1 of the guy start panic shooting IN the room, triggering the second scout

i have a log file for regular cell bug

the "heavy item bug"

i read the log but doesn't seem to pointed out anything

with bug:

without bug:

i don't know why the first one is so small

i did the same thing like the second one

[glass sundial]

It's honestly probably another desync issue lol. Not sure though. Either way doing it at 5 means no fog or error alarm, so the charger zone is as slow paced as you'd like. Zero risk if you just play red light green light

[mortal granite]

doing 5th and 6th cell give you more resources

you can basically max your ammo and pull rooms (not scout)