gtfo-spoiler-chat

[brittle light]

it's the only surge I'm aware of this rundown

[fierce laurel]

keep the left most door open

[brittle light]

oh?

[pulsar zodiac]

the hallway is a good funnel point for burst sentry

[fallow delta]

there is one in D2 too, secondary

evendoh it is not an allarm

[fierce laurel]

what where

[fallow delta]

at the end, the terminal things

[fierce laurel]

what

that's an uplink

are you talking about D3

[brittle light]

some kind of "15 sleeper error", from what I've read in this channel in the past days

[fallow delta]

No, D2 secondary.

[fierce laurel]

yup

[fallow delta]

When you need to link up 2 consoles

[fierce laurel]

D2 secondary has no surge

[pulsar zodiac]

oh D2 seconday

[fierce laurel]

that's not a surge

[brittle light]

which is practically a surge

[fierce laurel]

just a standard uplink

D4 15 sleeper 30 second is basically a surge

[pulsar zodiac]

that is quite close to being a surge

[fierce laurel]

thats why you want to keep that door open

[pulsar zodiac]

just slightly slower

[fallow delta]

you sure about that? seemd a lot harder to me than your usual allarms

[fierce laurel]

that's because it's charger only

[pulsar zodiac]

it does have max population point

[fierce laurel]

and there are 3 doors

[brittle light]

15 sleepers in 30 seconds honestly just sounds like a normal alarm to me?

[fierce laurel]

if it was a charger surge the dynamic would feel much more different

[fierce laurel]

def not :3

[brittle light]

I mean

[fallow delta]

perhaps. I held M1 on a wave coming with an heavy AR and it was not enough by myself

[brittle light]

what is the normal time?

[fallow delta]

and i was not missing much at all

[brittle light]

12 sleepers every 45 seconds? every 50 seconds?

what's a standard alarm with waves

[fierce laurel]

14 points of enemy spawn (big enemies = 2 points)

[pulsar zodiac]

D2 uplink has the surge population point but slower spawn

[fierce laurel]

a 45 second timer starts when there are 9 enemies left

[pulsar zodiac]

so its not really a surge

[fierce laurel]

instantly respawn when all enemies are dead

[fallow delta]

ah i see

[brittle light]

wait seriously

[fierce laurel]

yes

[brittle light]

so keep one of em alive deliberately until new spawn?

[fierce laurel]

it takes some time to clear all of them

there's a 45 second timer when there are 9 left

[brittle light]

yes.

[fierce laurel]

so

it's about the same

doesn't matter

[brittle light]

but if you have a team then 9 enemies are going to get killed much quicker than 45 seconds chief

that#s not even close to at the same speed

if it spawns instantly upon completion

*death

[fierce laurel]

let me check the numbers really fast

[pulsar zodiac]

      "m_pauseBeforeStart": 1.0,
      "m_pauseBetweenGroups": 3.0,
      "m_wavePauseMin_atCost": 1.0,
      "m_wavePauseMax_atCost": 10.0,
      "m_wavePauseMin": 1.0,
      "m_wavePauseMax": 30.0,
      "m_populationFilter": [
        0
      ],
      "m_filterType": 1,
      "m_chanceToRandomizeSpawnDirectionPerWave": 1.0,
      "m_chanceToRandomizeSpawnDirectionPerGroup": 0.8,
      "m_overrideWaveSpawnType": false,
      "m_survivalWaveSpawnType": 0,
      "m_populationPointsTotal": -1.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerWaveStart": 10000.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerWaveEnd": 10000.0,
      "m_populationPointsMinPerGroup": 2.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerGroupStart": 4.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerGroupEnd": 7.0,
      "m_populationRampOverTime": 0.0,

here's your number sir

[fierce laurel]

oh small guys have a point count of 0.5 ~ 0.75

at 9 points there are still a good amount of enemies

and it starts after killing 9 enemies not when there are 9 left

timer is 28 not 45 whoops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxyOt6SlmaM

here

spawns 18 points first wave 20 points 2nd wave

god that is a lot of numbers

[pulsar zodiac]

unless the surge alarm allows you to refoam easily (last scan of R5E1 fixed scan class 4 surge alarm)

you dont really refoam

in surge

[fierce laurel]

R5E1 is hard to refoam

unless you're like lebron james hitting that cfoam nade is gonna be hard

[pulsar zodiac]

yes cfoam nade

[regal thicket]

recfoam mines

:^

[pulsar zodiac]

yes

badger

[regal thicket]

carry me on e1

[pulsar zodiac]

leader will carry us

[atomic escarp]

how does b2 secondary work

can you extract after only doing secondary? as far as i know you have to do main so the way to the extract point opens

is it like that for every level with more that only a main sector? do you always have to do main + extra?

[digital dawn]

yeah, main is always required

[atomic escarp]

is it smarter then to always go for all objectives or would that be too hard?

[digital dawn]

honestly depends if you can manage the objectives, wouldn't advise to go for PE on your first try at D3 for example

[atomic escarp]

ty

[brisk gyro]

pe or small pp

[atomic escarp]

whats the easiest level counting in all objectives?

except b2 and a1-d1

maybe not all objectives but only main and extreme

the things ive heard about the harder levels make me wake up at night covered in sweat

[digital dawn]

hm I would say C3 with secondary is the easiest out of those but that rly depends on what your team has problems with

some ppl just hate C3 overall with a passion and other ppl dont want to play C2 secondary ever again ^^

[brisk gyro]

im both of those people

[digital dawn]

understandable

[solemn wigeon]

.t sectors

[jaunty hedge]

Sectors are a mechanic which adds optional objectives to the game, ranging from altering the game state to adding other objectives. The following sectors are available:
Primary
Secondary
Overload (Third Sector)
Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)

Multiple sectors can be completed at the same time, however you always need to do the Primary/Main sector.

[uneven plank]

how do you get the scouts are friends role?

[tribal hull]

Does anyone know if there will be an update soon like a level extension or something?

[mossy marsh]

there will eventually be an update

though nobody knows when

the usual time window is 2-6 months between major updates

[fallow delta]

they "may" add E levels on this rundown eventually, just speculation and not confirmed.

1 thing i know is that they hired A LOT of devs now

they got more than 50 according to doc.. to give you an idea, this game started from 6

[mossy marsh]

do keep in mind that not everyone in the 10cc team are coding devs

[fallow delta]

oh yea, of course.

[hidden lynx]

more devs is for sure wonderful tho tbh

c:

[tribal hull]

I hope it will be soon and I finished the rundown, I wish the previous ones were available so I would have more Replayability

[mossy marsh]

let's have proclaim doing game coding :dogetroll:

[fallow delta]

cough cough.. mods

[mossy marsh]

banned

-999,999,999,999 prisioner credits

[fallow delta]

[atomic escarp]

how do they sustain all that. its a hard to get into game for new players that requires constant dev work for new rundowns all while the only money they get is from bought game copies without any ways of constant money gain like skins or battle passes

[fallow delta]

jokes aside, check #rules and go all the way down, there is an invite to the modding group if you are interested @tribal hull

[mossy marsh]

tencent

[fallow delta]

i got no clue

[mossy marsh]

tencent

[hidden lynx]

tencent is b i g

[mossy marsh]

no

[hidden lynx]

is it not

[mossy marsh]

it is B I G

[hidden lynx]

yes

B I G

[mossy marsh]

🅱️ I G

[atomic escarp]

i wonder what their plan is then

[mossy marsh]

hmm

[fallow delta]

surely fix bugs first

[mossy marsh]

stupid discord formatting

[hidden lynx]

before moving forward, id imagine bug fixes

then ye, more improvements to what they already have

[atomic escarp]

i mean plans to make big money

[hidden lynx]

hum

[fallow delta]

i believe their goal is to put effort into the map editor more and more so they need less work to pump out maps

well, one of them that is.

[mossy marsh]

doubt they have a plan to stop doing rundowns any time soon
as far as i understand the game has some sort of modularity to allow making new stuff easier

[fallow delta]

i'm sure they'd not go on a 50 ppl hire spree if they didn't know a thing or two

[atomic escarp]

yea sure im just wondering what that thing is

[mossy marsh]

guess they don't really have a big plan as far as i can see

[fallow delta]

gtfo drugs

[mossy marsh]

scout dakimakura
sells will rise

[hidden lynx]

selling sleeper plushies

[atomic escarp]

gtfo extended movie universe

[hidden lynx]

[atomic escarp]

next marvel

[hidden lynx]

id watch a gtfo movie of details on the surface

lul

[mossy marsh]

mar*el

🤢

[atomic escarp]

hackett gains superpowers

and saves the world

[hidden lynx]

yes

repopulates the world single handedly as well

l u l

[atomic escarp]

next movie they introduce his companion dauda

[mossy marsh]

nah that would be bishop with le briish power

[atomic escarp]

still waiting for other plushies than the shadow ones

[hidden lynx]

SHADOW PLUSHIES

just an invisible plushie

[atomic escarp]

yea got mine right next to my desk

[hidden lynx]

show me

[atomic escarp]

ok

wait

[atomic escarp]

nvm i cant send pictures

[hidden lynx]

[atomic escarp]

hes very cute tho

sometimes i bioscan him just to be sure hes still there

[atomic escarp]

working guns for merch

only in the US tho

Scattergun for private use

[sharp ice]

tried doing C1 again. forgot that there was a keycard for the alarm terminal room

[atomic escarp]

@coral current hi friend

[coral current]

Hello my boy

[brittle light]

smols --> smols v2 (floaters, chargers) --> giants/titans (including hybrid+charger giant) --> elites (mom and dad) --> bosses (pmother, kraken)
is that about correct?

[queen field]

@pallid jackal pMother

aka a big mother

[orchid sorrel]

or queen mother

[pallid jackal]

pMother

[queen field]

It's a much larger mother with ribs as horns

[pallid jackal]

You got a photo of this

[queen field]

ye

[pallid jackal]

Send it

[queen field]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/0/0d/Front_view_of_the_large_Mother.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20200619215014

[brittle light]

I've never seen it either, only heard of it

[queen field]

Compare with the size of the player

[brittle light]

oh damn

[queen field]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/0/0d/Front_view_of_the_large_Mother.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20200619215014

[brittle light]

beeg™️

[queen field]

This one should be better for comparison

It appeared 3 times

[pallid jackal]

That looks like the biggest crawling enemy

[queen field]

R3D1 (first time), R4E1 (with a tank, both triggered once you opened the door), R5D1 (with several babies, everything triggered as well)

Actually all of them trigger once you open the door of the zone they're in lol

[pallid jackal]

Is it crawling?

[queen field]

same way as a regular mother

[pallid jackal]

So when it stands up its taller than a gaint charger

I feel like gaint chargers are huge

[queen field]

It's taller than a tank lol

[pallid jackal]

I haven't faced the pMother yet and i probably never will

[brisk gyro]

cant wait for the 5 e levels, and 5e having a pmother error alarm

[solemn wigeon]

I can

[tall igloo]

Where is the generator in b1

Hackett is chinese

[brittle light]

literally right next to the door

[fallow wasp]

Sadly I never got to fight any pmothers

Would love to see one in game though, up close

[brittle light]

would be fun yeah

I hope they'll bring one back in R7 or so

maybe in the ext

who knows?

[fallow wasp]

Or maybe if there is an extension of this rundown that’ll be what comes

Yeah

[mossy marsh]

I imagine old veterans who haven't played 1.0 trying to kite the smol ones and failin' miserably

[fallow delta]

Big || dad ||

[mossy marsh]

[solemn wigeon]

Baby Kraken

[fallow wasp]

How about a father but his legs have been fused with the ceiling and he can only rotate

[brittle light]

yes opls

[fallow wasp]

Murder nutsack

[brittle light]

might as well just introduce turret enemies

[mossy marsh]

spiiiiiiin

[brittle light]

imagine spitters but after a few seconds they shoot the same shots in the same rhythm as flying enemies

and not killable, but hide via light too

that'd be funny

[mossy marsh]

just remove our legs already

wheel chair gaming

[fallow wasp]

We become only Center mass

[mossy marsh]

I want to drift around the complex

[fallow wasp]

Lots of games are doing open world stuff now

Time to turn gtfo into dying light and add buggies and motorcycles to run over enemies

[mossy marsh]

kiting is in the past, now wheelchair drifting is the new thing

[mossy marsh]

open world is sus

[brittle light]

open world GTFO wouldn't work that well imo, unless properly executed - which isn't really possible as of yet

[fallow wasp]

Alpha one lookin fine though

[brittle light]

but if properly executed with semi-automated generation, proper AI, terrain and shit - that's beautiful

[fallow wasp]

I’d drive around for 2 hours to see nothing of consequence

[brittle light]

oh defo. It's not really open world yet still

[brittle light]

yeah

would be relaxing, in a way

maybe you'll be swarmed by floaters every 15 minutes, 30 floater error or smth

but would be fun indeed

[cobalt isle]

Is the bat the weapon that causes more stagger? I really like bonking sleepers with it but when I accidentally wake them they usually can't attack me if I just continually whack them.

[mossy marsh]

yes

it staggers small ones without having to charge

[cobalt isle]

does the spear staggers too? when I'm in matchmaking people usually like to take on big ones with spears because it does stagger + more damage.

[mossy marsh]

it can stagger

i think it's similar to hammer in that regard

you have to break limbs

probably doesn't require the full charge due to the supposed extra damage

[fallow delta]

that is not why people pick spear for giants

Spear is the only one who can stay outside of range easily from big strikers

if you want to solo a giant with any other melee, you'll have to time your hit so you hit before he does. Sledge can slighty stay outside the range too, but very slightly..

both bat and sledge can stagger on a light hit, other weapons can't (small enemies)

[mossy marsh]

spear is a crutch

[cobalt isle]

I see, Thanks

[mossy marsh]

and tbh the range of big strikers attacks is arguably large, but by the time it starts preparing their attack you'll most likely have a full hammer charge ready to hit a limb

[fallow delta]

Pretty much ye. Spear is just a worse sledge. Only thing is this long range that helps on giant strikers.. but that's about it

you are losing your sprint key for that.. and damage

[mossy marsh]

scouts too

[mossy marsh]

didn't spear have more damage or something?

[fallow delta]

no, 20dmg vs 17.5

However it has more precision multi

lemme see how that translates

[mossy marsh]

which has the highest possible damage for a single hit?

[fallow delta]

68,25 dmg for spear on a giant striker vs 60 dmg if my math is right on a occiput hit

[mossy marsh]

hmm

and for normal hits?

aka body

[fallow delta]

^

[mossy marsh]

ok...

[fallow delta]

it does help for scouts i guess on client side

host side not really, as the scouts kneel down

and it doesn't allow you to sprint to it with tentacles out. This is risky anyhow and i'd not do it under normal scenarios

[mossy marsh]

hmm

so conclusion is that the hammer can outdamage the spear for hits>=4 if you do occiput initial, then follow up with body

[fallow delta]

pretty much yes. Spear makes things you are ment to be able to do with a sledge easier, at the cost of not being able to sprint

the only one it makes A LOT easier, which is why i always note it, is the giants

plus you don't need to sprint with spear..

so it's a full stealth solo kill

with sledge it isn't the case, you'd need to be sprinting left and right

if you are alone that is

[mossy marsh]

basically a crutch

[fallow delta]

i may carry it to || D4 || and have some fun there

just go around murdering giants by myself, given they are alone enough

[mossy marsh]

||using spoiler tag in spoiler chat||
||smh my head||

[fallow delta]

wait this is spoiler chat

ah well

[mossy marsh]

rekt

[fallow wasp]

I like spear

Even if you’re a god player there’s always a chance for your team to screw up

And when that happens you can catch me outside clothesline range

Also spear feels cooler to use to me

[mossy marsh]

if you are a god you'll most likely be kiting that anyway😂

kiting bad doe

[fallow wasp]

He said the k word

[mossy marsh]

😔

[fallow wasp]

Throw him to that charger scout room

That one

[mossy marsh]

no

i don't like scouts

whenever I kill one my heart accelerates like crazy lol

[fallow wasp]

With spear sadly I can’t Rambo my way into a scout to kill it

But I like the ability to poke scouts from high places

92 kills and 16 screwups so far

[brittle light]

[fallow wasp]

My hundredth kill since counting began approaches

[brittle light]

A balanced team-comp is fun
My static has one weapon of every kind

[fallow wasp]

Balanced teams are good

Or you can use 3 bots with revolvers only

Yee haw

[mossy marsh]

give bots dmr + hel gun

[brittle light]

I'm the cfoam-knife-guy, who runs around stabbing everyone and everything but giants - if necessary foaming scouts is an option too, but usually no
the bat staggers if necessary and can kill
the sledge person just deals damage and does what sledge does
the spear person usually hits scouts and/or giants

Been thinking of getting my team to trivialize giants by having the spear user do a safe stagger, then the sledge and bat bonk once each, then spear staggers again, then it should be dead or takes one more sledge/bat hit

[mossy marsh]

epic trolling

[brittle light]

we never run bots and I despise bots when playing solo

they are helpful, sure, but kinda jank in their own right imo

[mossy marsh]

damn wish I had a team
hell wish I had the time to have a team

[fallow wasp]

They have eldritch powers like flight, noclip, the ability to use 4 medpacks on a single person, breakdancing through scout tentacles, and crouch walking during a bio scan if you somehow missed a sleeper in the corner of the room

[brittle light]

interesting

[analog perch]

Broo

wtfff

I made it to the objective finally and then I kept getting merked so I rage quit

😂

[uneven plank]

so whens the rundown extension?

[errant vigil]

yes

[native drum]

hey all, when we use checkpoint can we got PE ?

[restive granite]

yes

[native drum]

ok thx

[dusky grove]

yo in D - 1 Is there the respawning sacks because I see sacks but I have no idea if they respawn anything

[fierce laurel]

if you see the sacks that is a respawn room

[dusky grove]

thats nice to know

[fierce laurel]

the entirety of the first few zones to the reactor are respawns

first 2 I think

[dusky grove]

oh boy

whats the range of it again?

2 rooms?

[hexed vapor]

2 rooms and different zone.

[fallow delta]

I am still confused about this. If i am 1 room away, but i move from Zone_78 to Zone_79, will they respawn?

As far as i am aware, usually a new room is a new zone anyways

[plush basin]

As I understood it there are 2 conditions that both must be met for them to respawn

• Be in a different zone
• Be at least two rooms away

So if you are one room away in a different zone they wont

[brittle light]

can confirm what Ellda said

unless the Cocoons changed between R5 and R6, you can stay inside of a different zone, one room away from the cocoons, for it to work

so if one of you stays back for a bit they won't respawn. That's not really all that useful in D1 or D3 tho

[plush basin]

They changed that you need to be in a different zone, right? I think on R5D2 there was a respawning giant zone you had to be mindful of the 2 room rule in

[brittle light]

it was useful in one of the missions last rundown, hence I'm certain

[brittle light]

no?

[mortal granite]

you're not gonna do that much in this rundown

[brittle light]

^

[mortal granite]

you either clear it or skip it entirely

[brittle light]

yeah, it's not really important this rundown

[mortal granite]

or you know, if you don't want to clear it, "stealth" it

[plush basin]

They never respawned in the same zone but 2 or more rooms away? 🤔

[brittle light]

I dunno

I don't think they did?

[mortal granite]

you're confusing yourself

i like that

[brittle light]

can you help us instead of watching with popcorn

[mortal granite]

but i like popcorn

[brittle light]

aww

can we have some of the popcorn, at least?

or do you want to hoard it all for yourself

[mortal granite]

yes

[brittle light]

inclusiveor much

[mortal granite]

now listen here

I'm the captain

[plush basin]

So they only respawn when you're in the same room as them, got it 👍

[brittle light]

oh god, rooms are unclearable

you kill an enemy stealthed, it respawns

[signal fox]

Respawn rules are 2 rooms away and in a different zone

They have not been changed

[brittle light]

thank you

[plush basin]

🙌

[queen field]

They did in D3 as the 2 rooms rule doesn't apply (only the "different zone" applies here)

[signal fox]

It should work similar to R5C1

You should be able to stand in room A of a connected zone and the room won’t respawn

If that doesn’t work anymore then we get to complain about more consistency issues

[real moss]

this still works in D3 yes

[prisma zodiac]

the rules are consistent in D3 yep

[queen field]

The thing is you can stay in the room near Z292 & the room to the opposite side of that zone won't respawn

Which is much more than 2 rooms away

However if everyone stay in Z292, the adjacent room will respawn

Even though it's not 2 rooms away

[signal fox]

I’ve done D3 once so I’m not familiar with zones

It’s probably a map related issue, similar how in R5C3 on the class VI S1 enemies were able to spawn 3 rooms away sometimes

[queen field]

Z292 is the zone to stop the overload error

the very small one

[signal fox]

Is there a room split in that room?

[queen field]

Pretty sure there is none

Actually the same thing happens with the zone behind the class 6 alarm with shadows

everyone in the first room => respawn

It feels like that "separate zone" respawn rule overlaps with the 2 rooms rule

[signal fox]

Give me like 15 minutes and I’ll start looking into it

[prisma zodiac]

[signal fox]

This is how it is supposed to work. The room that is adjacent to z292 is z276g. If someone is inside of z276, nothing in z276 can respawn

[signal fox]

I am unable to recreate this

[queen field]

This means the 2 rooms rule is overlapped by the other rule

[signal fox]

no

you need to fulfil both criteria. Two rooms away AND in a different zone

[queen field]

Did you check if Z276A respawned ?

after cleaning everything till reaching Z276G ?

in R5D1 it was always a 2 rooms rule

on R5 in general at least

That doesn't mean clearing everything in that zone prevented enemies to respawn as long as someone was in it

Yet this is different in R6

For some reason, as long as someone stays in a zone, nothing will respawn in that specific zone

Regardless of their position in it

[signal fox]

No.

The respawn rules are still the exact same

[queen field]

I'm pretty sure it isn't

[signal fox]

Especially in R5D1

[real moss]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-watching-eating-popcorn-oh-yeah-watchin-gif-8938478

[queen field]

You could clean whatever room you wanted in extreme

anything 2 rooms away would respawn

right away

[signal fox]

No

simply no

[queen field]

It did

[signal fox]

I have hours of footage to the contrary

[queen field]

Would love to see them then

[signal fox]

I can go load up R5 and screen share it to you rn if that makes you feel better

the respawn rules are unchanged

[queen field]

If you have footages there is no need to boot R5 again

especially if mods are spying on us 😔

[signal fox]

Brother I'm not looking through 1tb of footage to find it

I know its there cause I don't delete anything

[queen field]

Anyway i don't have access to GTFO rn but if you're fine with it i'll try to take footages of it this week-end

[regal thicket]

imagine caring when you can just bonk and shoot everything

[real moss]

guys go in a VC and settle it now

[queen field]

Can't 😔

[real moss]

not even muted?

[queen field]

Nah

there are people around me so it'd be hard to listen to anything

[real moss]

tell them to go for a walk

[queen field]

"Hold up i wanna fight that dude in VC to check who's right about a glitched af game"

Sounds right

[signal fox]

It's okay I'm loading up R5 rn

getting clips

[queen field]

oh boy

[real moss]

don't see the problem 🤔

[signal fox]

check DM's :)

[queen field]

yee

[pulsar zodiac]

respawn rule can be varied in levellayout

[signal fox]

[queen field]

Mama mia

I don't understand anything about the game

[pulsar zodiac]

           "EnemyRespawning": false,
          "EnemyRespawnRequireOtherZone": true,
          "EnemyRespawnRoomDistance": 2,
          "EnemyRespawnTimeInterval": 10.0,
          "EnemyRespawnCountMultiplier": 1.0,

[regal thicket]

mason

[pulsar zodiac]

the number

[signal fox]

damn, what block is that one in?

[pulsar zodiac]

LevelLayoutDataBlock

[velvet flower]

Yeah, respawn rule can be set different, but I'm pretty sure in R5/R6 the only difference between expeditions are time interval/cout multiplier and exclude list.

[pulsar zodiac]

^

[velvet flower]

Especially in R5D1 extreme, you can clear the fog zone and as long as one player's there, nothing respawned.

[pulsar zodiac]

there is only two zone that doesn't require other zone

[signal fox]

do those zones even spawn enemies though? Both of them have nothing listed for spawns "EnemySpawningInZone": []

unless I'm dumb

[pulsar zodiac]

that's the best part

they dont

[signal fox]

ah

I see

Great game we got here

[velvet flower]

Yep, it's the elevator zone in C3

[signal fox]

how do you tell what zone it is?

[velvet flower]

Its zone is ZoneAliasStart + Zones[*]['LocalIndex']

[pulsar zodiac]

or look at the block ID

or look at the name

[velvet flower]

Yep, R6_C3_Survival_L1_v2, and R6_C3_Survival_L1

[pulsar zodiac]

this rundown datablock name is quite nice

R4 didnt have layer in the name

[velvet flower]

It's there since R5.

[pulsar zodiac]

ye

[brittle light]

wait, question

can you stagger a scout by breaking it's legs/arms

[mossy marsh]

you can stagger scouts, but unless it is a charger variant it won't last for much

it's basically not doable

[brittle light]

it won't last for long?

bleh

but, is it breaking the legs/arms?

[mossy marsh]

the charger variant stagger is just slightly longer and it's also not worth trying

just enough to have a 2 hammer sync

[brittle light]

(thankfully)

[mossy marsh]

i think it's just back stagger, could be wrong doe

probably not

or likely head stagger idk

i did manage to do it once...didn't end well

[queen field]

So what is the setting of each level ?

[pulsar zodiac]

mostly the same

[brittle light]

huh

right clicking doesn't do anything, ofc

[mossy marsh]

my point is don't

[brittle light]

I'm gonna try bc I want to know

[mossy marsh]

just don't

[brittle light]

I probably won't ever seriously try

but I want to know now

[pulsar zodiac]

with different interval and respawn count

[brittle light]

so I will go into B2 solo since the first scout's very quick to find there

[mossy marsh]

don't forget to cfoam a shooter and shove it with your melee for 2 minutes

[brittle light]

can knife-melee shove btw?

just wondering

bc you can shove really damn quickly with it

and that'd be funny as heck

I'll try

yes

yes it can

and it's funny as hell

I need to get my OBS ready and post this BS in media

[mossy marsh]

fun fact,
there is a bug with melee where if you attack the air twice and then start shoving it will do it with a higher recover rate

[brittle light]

y e s

that's what I mean

it's so funny

with knife you only ever need to attack air once

left-right-right-right-...-right

and you can shove twice as much as necessary, so half your shoves don't get registered

you can literally shove-hit-shove-hit-shove-hit

[mossy marsh]

wonder if that's possible with hammer

probably not because of the hit recovery time

[brittle light]

can someone tell me to what conditions a scout can stagger?

it's not leg/arm break, so what is it

hitting the chest from behind?

and how much less does a scout stagger than a shooter?

*how much shorter is the stagger

[fallow delta]

I can tell you a charger scout staggers if you do 5 damage

[hexed vapor]

All shooters can only be staggered by damage.

[fallow delta]

And normal scout too

[hexed vapor]

Damage and limb destruction being the two methods of inducing stagger.

[brittle light]

and shooters can't be limb destroyed

how much damage does a scout take to be staggered?

[fallow delta]

.

[brittle light]

and how long is it staggered?

[fallow delta]

About 0.3 - 0.5 seconds

[brittle light]

so, almost no damage necessary

hmm

[fallow delta]

Correct

[brittle light]

how much HP does a scout have again

[fallow delta]

42

[brittle light]

what was the link to all weapon damages again?

[fallow delta]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=196815589

[hexed vapor]

@brittle light Be aware that the stagger is very short on scouts, since it seems as if they only have to decide they are going to scream to gain invulnerability.

That said, many weapons fire fast enough to take advantage of this.

I've killed charger scouts w/ combat shotgun consistently in R5.

[brittle light]

yeee

[steep hedge]

Just a question can spear still multi hit if you swipe across the screen ive tried multiple times but no success unless the have to be pretty much stacked

[sick hornet]

You cant anymore

[candid dragon]

No, doesn't even peirce correctly

[brittle light]

yea

the swipe was too stronk apparently
and the pierce is broken

[steep hedge]

Thanks for confirming doc still has it as able to so was slightly confused or if im just pepega

[candid dragon]

Its only a harder to use hammer with a better damage box

[steep hedge]

Honestly yeah it was crazy

[candid dragon]

But, i wont make judgements until back damage is fixed

I want to like spear, but its a pain to use in general

[brittle light]

ok as soon as back damage is fixed the knife's gonna get really powerful isn't it

against anything but chargers+charger scouts

(and giants, duh)

[steep hedge]

I mean from using it pretty much the whole rundown and sometimes swapping to knife it's nice to have bc of extra range but idk if worth over hammer overall bc offers not much besides range

What's the back dmg bug?

[brittle light]

so, back damage calculation currently is wonky

if you try to hit something from behind, you should deal 2x as much damage if you are in a certain cone behind it

currently that only seems to work reliably when they are turned east/west - when they look south/north it's buggy and you're basically rolling dice if it works or not

knife can one-shot scouts with a hit to the occiput - that's the head from the back
so scouts can be oneshot by the knife more reliably after the fix, as of currently you'll have to get the scouts to be walking in a certain direction to knife-kill them

and considering the speed the knife has it's gonna be really strong against anything but giants

and probably chargers

[calm coral]

knife vs charger is bad times

can confirm

[brittle light]

yeap

[calm coral]

dont bring your knife to r6d2

please

[brittle light]

y e a p

not gonna do that

fuck no

[calm coral]

it's hella smooth for d3 tho

[brittle light]

it sure is~

[calm coral]

knife is decent against shadows

[brittle light]

c3 too

[calm coral]

definitely c3

yes

[brittle light]

snipe the giant waves (and tanks if you do overload)

and just stabbity stab stab everything else

[calm coral]

4 knives vs c3 is pretty smooth

[brittle light]

with it being able to kill scouts, albeit currently only unreliably, it's gonna get even more useful on general missions

[calm coral]

d4 bring hammer plz

little extra versatility

[brittle light]

true

[calm coral]

if you need that one big guy dead

[brittle light]

yeap

[calm coral]

d1 is a joke

[steep hedge]

Knife + scout poggers Def gonna go back. I've tried previously to knife scout but didn't work so didn't use it much since too many lvls had scout or big guys to deal with to justify being afk for those moments

[brittle light]

yea but only works with certain scout turn direction atm

as soon as it's fixed however

just let em tentacle as host, wait till they stand up, RUN AND STAAAAB

[calm coral]

meh in levels w lots of scouts I want my hammer

if its like 5 tho

gimme that knife

[steep hedge]

Just a fat speculation but do you reckon there would be a extension to this rundown? Idk if right chat to ask this but curious what others think

[calm coral]

probably

yeah I think so

[brittle light]

maybe

[calm coral]

I think just 1 extra for every tier

[brittle light]

we never know but there's not a low chance

[calm coral]

if they do it

[fallow delta]

Likely, no proof yet

[brittle light]

smth like this

[calm coral]

plus r6e1

[brittle light]

we never had a 5 yet, did we?

[calm coral]

possibly

[brittle light]

R6D5

[calm coral]

yep

gonna be wild

[brittle light]

the entire rundown menu would be squished

[calm coral]

I think d4 is kinda epic

[fallow delta]

Also i'd not get too used to knife killing scouts, it may get changed

[brittle light]

only 4 of em fit next to each other

[brittle light]

why the fuck would it???

[calm coral]

R6D5 -> R6E2?!?!?!?!?!

[fallow delta]

Not intended to, maths wise it can doh

[brittle light]

aww

it's not intended to be able to hit scouts if you occiput?

:(

[fallow delta]

Only future will tell if they will leave it or change it, but it wasn't ment to be able to

[brittle light]

I hope it stays tbh

if not, hammer it is

[calm coral]

I think it was intended to right

[fallow delta]

I am sure it wasn't, doc said it himseld

[calm coral]

why would the base damage allow it

if it wasnt

[fallow delta]

100% sure

[calm coral]

huh

okok

[fallow delta]

Can look up the messages if you'd like, but it was a while back

[calm coral]

yo I havent seen shadow scouts in this rundown yet

are they in d3?

[fallow delta]

Believe i saw 1

[calm coral]

not in main, but i havent done optionals yet

they gotta be in d2 ex or d3 ol or ex

[steep hedge]

I think so d3 had

[calm coral]

if they are in there

cus I havent seen any

[thick burrow]

no

[brittle light]

looks like it wasn't intended to fill the role of scout killer

from what I can read

but it can kill them

[thick burrow]

2, D3 overload

[fallow delta]

Correct, maths wise it can, it's 49dmg vs a 42hp target

Just not what they planned

[thick burrow]

Because of a bug

[calm coral]

don't think it's a bug. the bug prevents back multiplier, so the 49 damage is with the normal back multiplier application

[fallow delta]

^

That

[thick burrow]

Has to do with the cardinal direction the scout is facing

[calm coral]

occiput is stacked head and back multipliers, it kills the scout if both are registered

[fallow delta]

The bug has nothing to do with the "it was not intended" topic

And said bug should be fixed next patch

No clue when that is doh

[calm coral]

the knife itself has enough damage to kill a scout, the bug prevents it from doing so

not the other way around

which is why I thought it was intended to be able to kill scouts

[fallow delta]

Yep all correct ^

[brittle light]

why'd it deal 49?

isn't the base charge damage 5.5?

and scout occiput x6?

[calm coral]

it has a precision multiplier

[brittle light]

ah.

right.

[fallow delta]

You are probably missing stealth and precision multi

[brittle light]

stealth multi doesn't matter against scouts

they're not sleeping

[calm coral]

scouts are considered alerted

true

[fallow delta]

Ah my had. Lemme redo the math

Don't remember if 49 was with or without

[brittle light]

with that it can kill to occiput, but barely

5.5*6*1.5, right

[calm coral]

I'm sure they did the math beforehand tho right

[brittle light]

so 5.5*9
which is 49.5

[hexed vapor]

If it had the sleeping multi it would kill to the face.

[brittle light]

^

we'll see if they change that

[calm coral]

yeah it's considered awake

[fallow delta]

Ye nvm, 49.5 was without stealth multi

[brittle light]

personally, I hope they don't, but if the knife can't kill scouts anymore then meh

nothing much changes, my team deals with scouts I clear everything else

[calm coral]

they'd have to change the precision multiplier

probably

[brittle light]

yea

probably

unless they slightly lower knife dmg

[calm coral]

pretty crazy how a knife to the occiput is 49.5 dmg and a knife to the foot is 5.5 (for scouts)

[brittle light]

4.5 base damage should still be enough to one-shot everything else but scouts but wouldn't suffice for scouts anymore, barely

hope they don't but we'll see

for now I shall attempt to knife scouts when I still can, if they fix and change multipliers and stuff I'll just try it out solo and check if it works

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[calm coral]

honestly reliably knifing a scout occiput is hard enough for it to be fair

since front head hits are so much more reliable and simple, it justifies using the hammer for scouts still

[brittle light]

^^

occiput scout hits are only reliably available in one situation, and even then it's not that simple, especially as host with them crouching for half the time they tentacled

if they're moving, good luck hitting occiput

[candid dragon]

Knife has that wicked short range

Hard enough to get the head/occ on regular sleepers

[fallow delta]

I don't know if i'd drop my sledge for knife even if scouts would die in the occiput

I hate being limited

[brittle light]

honest question - is C3 main solo easier than B1 main solo?
I've not tried it but I figure having obvious waves and counter-strategies is going to be easier than a class V diminished, a class IV and a class IV diminished tbh

[hexed vapor]

Hell no.

[brittle light]

provided you can fight waves
simply bc you don't have to worry about a scan and there's shittons of resources

[brittle light]

no?

[hexed vapor]

W/out bots, maybe, but I still suspect not.

[fallow delta]

being able to handle hordes of C3 alone is not that simple

shooting wise that is.

[brittle light]

makes sense tbh

stoopid thoughts on my end then

[left cargo]

Knife c3

Corner pop heads and mine doors

[summer plank]

i heard spear can kill charger scouts like a normal one, any truth to that?

[fallow delta]

wrong

when it comes to melee, the closest thing you'll get is 2 synced sledges in the back

[hidden lynx]

thats probably the worst weapon to try to melee a charger scout with

yea

[left cargo]

Or yellow syringe

[hidden lynx]

that'll work

[fallow delta]

or that ^

[hidden lynx]

i swear i always forget yellow syringe exists

if its red i just stab it in my crotch

[left cargo]

There was a mission last rundown I think that utilized them and lots of c scouts

Idk if a knife will do it tbh. You can 1 tap giants with it tho

[grizzled ravine]

idk if there was even a level with a lot of c-scouts.

[thick burrow]

d1

[grizzled ravine]

purged from memory

[fallow wasp]

D2 this rundown is a comedy that turns into a tragedy real quick

Ten million charger scouts

And mothers

[fallow delta]

secondary..

[queen field]

Welcome to Wakanda

[heavy wave]

D2 was supposed to be hard?

[atomic escarp]

secondray is harder

[heavy wave]

Nerfed or pre-nerf?

cuz pre nerf was easy

[candid dragon]

c2 with the double hybrids spawn was pretty tough

[queen field]

double ?

[candid dragon]

a whopping 6 hybrids that spawned very quickly

did it yesterday and was only getting 3 per wave call

[brittle light]

3 per wave call sounds about right

but really quickly after each other, and I've seen the first 6 "stack up" before

also had us just going past 3 of em and doing the bulkhead scan, with 3 more spawning and starting to bang on the door, so 6 hybrids at once isn't really all that uncommon there depending on how it goes?

[calm coral]

yeah

we split up the team before picking up the cargo

all you need is one sniper at the bulkhead DC

[brittle light]

yea

[calm coral]

they’ll be coming from the checkpoint door

it’s a fixed spawn

I love how some error alarms are now fixed spawns

huge improvement

also with the D3 shadow error

(the one for main)

[brittle light]

we're still learning how to snipe the hybrids efficiently, since we don't have a really good sniper on our team - he's good, don't get me wrong, but how to headshot hybrids quickly without them getting shots off is beyond my team so far

we're working on it tho and it do be going well

[candid dragon]

we had 2 snipers and 2 scatters trying to hold them off and failing

[brittle light]

... how?

[calm coral]

we made it with me sniping, that’s it

[candid dragon]

they just kept coming? i held them off alone picking my nose the other day.

[brittle light]

???

weird

very weird

[calm coral]

I’ve been maining sniper since it got buffed in R5 and it’s finally paying off now that hel rifle is out of the game

[brittle light]

it's incredibly useful on certain missions for sure

[calm coral]

it’s incredibly useful on most missions ngl

[brittle light]

basically, having at least one sniper on the team on any mission but A1 is never a mistaken choice

imo

[calm coral]

probably a tad worse for stuff like D2 tho

[brittle light]

bc even if there's no giants, triple-hipfire into crowd and that's that

[candid dragon]

sniper is pretty dogwater on c3.

low ammo pool

[brittle light]

eh, only if you want to minmax, in which case you'd choose scattergun

[calm coral]

there’s the waves of giants

[brittle light]

was about to say what GGG said

[calm coral]

it’s more ammo efficient at taking those out

[candid dragon]

sniper kept running dry constantly.

[brittle light]

it's incredibly ammo-efficient against the giant waves and if you do overload double sniper can just ping-pong the tank

[brittle light]

guess your sniper can't shoot or didn't get any ammo refills.

[calm coral]

sounds to me like he didn’t get a lot of ammo

[brittle light]

^ probs that

[calm coral]

one ammopack gets sniper like 5 shots

there’s about maybe 16 big guys

in the entire level

[brittle light]

you can run dry by missing the head, and then foolishly using the sniper to do bodyshots against the headless giant (bc u hit neck/shoulder or smth)

which is just a bad idea since that takes like 4 sniper shots if you try that

[calm coral]

so either he used it for regulars or he burned it on bodyshotting

[brittle light]

yeap

[calm coral]

honestly once the head is off leave it to the others

[brittle light]

hard agree there

[candid dragon]

sounds likely. would also explain why he kept chowing ammo packs

[calm coral]

yeah probably

[brittle light]

unless you run solo, in which case that shouldn't happen to begin with or you're kinda fucked bc you have to shoot it but your timing and such starts breaking apart

[calm coral]

if you’re solo you won’t have that problem though cus you’ll be running mines and the head won’t pop off

[brittle light]

true

using the mines on the giants feels like a bad idea tho

[calm coral]

it becomes a problem when using a sentry

[brittle light]

I've been using doors to wipe waves via the mines and that works beautifully fine

[calm coral]

that tends to pop heads

[brittle light]

and sniper to wipe the giant waves

[calm coral]

oh I mean when a giant is mixed into a wave

[brittle light]

(and a few smols at times)

[brittle light]

ah, ofc

I forgot that can happen but yes

[calm coral]

I aint soloing c3

I just meant in general

[brittle light]

I'll try

and yeah in general

I set up my sentry in an arguably bad spot, bc it basically shot enemies on top of me, just so it doesn't pop the heads off giants

bc having to deal with a giant and getting overrun by smols in the meantime and you can't just pop it is worse than having to deal with some burst sentry fire near you

can the sniper sentry one-shot a giant from behind?

[heavy wave]

no

[brittle light]

I've seen a few peeps use it today and it just... didn't pop the giants, at all

sniper sentry feels worthless-ish then?

[calm coral]

it does pop giants in two shots

[brittle light]

unless in very specific situations

has the sniper sentry always been that way?

very specific situations only?

[calm coral]

it was extremely helpful for some reactor stages back in R4D1

actually, the sniper sentry used to be the best sentry since it was released in R4

it was way more ammo efficient than an auto

and more effective AND efficient than a burst

the burst got buffed tho

[candid dragon]

there was a bug where sentry damage applied to every sentry on the team

[heavy wave]

that was r1 and r2 only i think

[candid dragon]

that oneshot everything exept for bosses

[calm coral]

anyways, since burst sentries are only a tad worse at killing giants, and a lot better at killing regs, they are dominant rn

they will get nerfed though

probably in the extension if there is one upcoming

[candid dragon]

inb4 we just get more giants

[calm coral]

b4?

r5b4?

[candid dragon]

in be fore

[calm coral]

oh shit like that

my bad

anyways

sniper sentry isn’t useless

just less versatile

[nocturne flax]

you guys caca at sentry placement

[calm coral]

but TECHNICALLY better than burst when it comes to giant and hybrid damage

[candid dragon]

i took 2 auto sentrys to d4. made extract ez.

[calm coral]

oh true for D4 you’ll want the auto

[nocturne flax]

sentry placement → type of sentry

[calm coral]

except when it comes to auto-burst comparisons

or auto-sniper

cus they have different roles

[brittle light]

I distinctly remember the fucks being like twice as strong in the beginning of the rundown and already having been nerfed. They shot much more quickly back then

[cobalt isle]

you guys think we'll get more types of sentries? or the shotgun sentry again?

[nocturne flax]

no

new tools

please god

[brittle light]

there was a shotgun sentry??

[calm coral]

I’m hoping for a fundamentally new tool

[candid dragon]

shotgun sentry pre-nerf was absurd clappage

[nocturne flax]

no new sentries

[calm coral]

but I wouldn’t be sure what it’d be

[candid dragon]

give me mapper or give me welder

[cobalt isle]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Mechatronic_B5_LFR_Shotgun_Sentry

[candid dragon]

had a bug where its damage was multiplied by 1.5 for every party mate

post nerf it made d1 a pain in the balls

[cobalt isle]

[candid dragon]

2 could basically hold a D alarm wave on their own for several minutes

[cobalt isle]

what kind of tools are you guys thinking they could add? I for one would like if they did something more sci-fi.

[fallow delta]

sniper is the best "killer" sentry there is in terms of stats

and most efficient

only issue is it has no stagger whatsoever

[candid dragon]

i want a bio sentry

its tags should last 4x as long

[light lagoon]

If I'm being brutally honest, what kind of tools could they even add. The problem with adding a new one is you'd have to give it some kind of role comparable to the rest, which is probably why at the moment we only really get alternate sentry types because that's just a different gun.

[candid dragon]

c-foam mine deployer

[light lagoon]

Though saying that, I would not personally be opposed to say a rundown where they drop the C-Foam launcher (as an example) and replace it with something else.

But that's me.

[candid dragon]

also give me FOUR whopping rundown limited tools.

[cobalt isle]

I think it would be fun if they added clearly broken tools or weapons to the maps, you'll need to go to optional and hard rooms to get them; you wouldn't be able to reload them and it would slow you down like a fog turbine or power cell

[brittle light]

cfoam sentry
shoots sets of 2 cfoam blobs at enemies or doors in range
place in front of door to keep foamed, or place facing a wave to cfoam a bunch of em

that'd be funi me thinks

[brittle light]

inb4 ATField

[candid dragon]

sentry only rundown

mine sentry, cfoam sentry, bio sentry

[brittle light]

how's a mine sentry even supposed to work

[light lagoon]

Yes

[candid dragon]

just places a mine every time the last one goes off

[brittle light]

interesting things would also be, i.e.:
Put a station in the map
Cfoam players can put cfoam in it - say, 15 blobs
they get a cfoam grenade from it, it can be used multiple times

Would actually be usable in some situations, getting a cfoam nade to foam an elite (mom or dad) i.e.

trading tool ammo for a consumable

[cobalt isle]

nah I was thinking stuff like a hel machine gun with a small number of rounds, cryogenic mine deployers, maybe some kind of flamethrower?

[candid dragon]

mine deployer but the damage hitbox is a short wide cylinder, rather than a long cylinder.

[light lagoon]

I'm kinda opposed to something like a flamethrower because it introduces DoT.

[brittle light]

^

[light lagoon]

Proxy mines.

[brittle light]

I'm not entirely certain if you can make mines that work like that chief

shaped charges? Sure
... flat charges? How even

probably by making a bunch of weaker shaped charges fire in all directions

[cobalt isle]

how about activating an actual robot that goes around bitchslapping enemies until is dead

[mossy marsh]

yes

[light lagoon]

So what you're saying is.. bouncing betties. I've always wanted to relive 2007 (or whenever) WaW.

[mossy marsh]

you probably can
would just need to increase the hitbox and shorten it's length/lifespan

[cobalt isle]

give it a power-drill and a buzzsaw and make it square off against giants

[brittle light]

... I meant realistically. Irl.

lol

[mossy marsh]

cryogenic mine deployer
that's why cfoam launcher exists

[cobalt isle]

even better just add a noisy buzzsaw with limited fuel and let players cut their own path

[mossy marsh]

probably still possible I guess
shotguns are a thing

[light lagoon]

What is this, DRG?

[brittle light]

so yeah, many smaller shaped charges that go into different directions for wide-but-not-far

sounds viable actually

not sure what it'd be used for

[calm coral]

can someone tell me what exactly the fog in D3 does and how we’re supposed to run it

[real moss]

it obscures sight

[calm coral]

I’ve seen teams run extreme inside of fog and outside of fog

what objectives raise and drop the fog

[calm coral]

5head

[real moss]

the overload reactor raises it, the main drops it

[calm coral]

how high is it raised

[real moss]

almost ceiling high

[calm coral]

even in rooms like the tank room?

[real moss]

the one with the bulkhead key or the large tank room? the one with the bulkhead key I have never seen fogged

[calm coral]

the large one

[real moss]

that one definitely

[calm coral]

from what i’ve seen, the reactor room and its surroundings aren’t too bad

with the extra fog

main reactor

that is

[real moss]

thats if you have seen fast teams

otherwise it rises far above the terminal

[calm coral]

damn that’s tuff

okok

[real moss]

its a time thing

[calm coral]

yea it rises, not static amount but a specific amount per minute

got it

so the shadow part of the level is fine

and after that you’ll start to really notice it

[real moss]

I mean the reactor waves from wave 3 forward are shadow waves as well

last half of wave 3 * iirc

[calm coral]

yeah true

I’ve done it on high just not with any optionals

overload sounds like a pain for most LFG teams

[brittle light]

so, for slow teams main-->overload might be better, even if you have to sneak through the double-tank room again to deactivate the error?

whilst for quick teams they'd want to do overload first, since they then don't have to sneak through again and waste less time on that

overload itself is fairly quick and simple afterall

the fog's the annoying part about it

[candid dragon]

slowly raised, keeping good pace it should be roughly as high as the bridge outside the reactor room. if your pace is garbage you are gonna be chuggin fog hard.

a difference of 10 minutes will bury you.

[calm coral]

deactivating the error isn’t required for OL completion tho right?

I think doing OL first might only be for people doing PE? unless i’m missing some bulkhead problem

but after the reactor you still have the key for extreme

so can’t you just do overload after main then call it quits?

[real moss]

you can

[calm coral]

sounds a lot easier honestly

[real moss]

if not going for PE it is

[calm coral]

yea with PE you’re just gonna be too slow

to get extreme done before surge

I swear the levels in this rundown are so interesting

in how they’re built

reminds me of R4D2 where all the objectives kinda interlinked

[left cargo]

“Turns off power”

[hexed vapor]

The D tier in general has really fun level design.

C2 is ofc the obligatory infection level that has some fun with terminal commands and C3 is a more fleshed-out version of the WRDN protocol that does more with the objective.

[calm coral]

I like how the warden protocol level has optional objectives to it now

[errant vigil]

Yea it’s neat

Next rundown there’s gonna be a multidimensional level with optionals

D4 was the bare bones version of it this rundown

Like how R5B4 was the bare bones of the warden protocol

[hexed vapor]

Collect 12 PIDs, but there's only 5 of them on the map 😳

[regal thicket]

collect encoder

[hexed vapor]

Could also have an optional on an ordinary level that dimension hops you for the objective.

One moment you're in a lab, the next it's all dig site.

[regal thicket]

optionals in 2 another dimensions and you can't return despite having excess keys

[plush basin]

Warp you into a reactor startup already in progress 😮

[queen field]

Such an E-tier level would be hilarious tbh

Pick a datacube => in the middle of R4E1's reactor, wave 6

Pick another datacube => in the middle of R2E1's error alarm

[azure magnet]

Pick a datacube => deliver the Matter Wave Projector to the pedestal in A1 so past-yous can pick it up
Spice it up with a tank surge alarm or something

[real moss]

Pick a datacube and you are the other team of R5B4/R6C3

[queen field]

Both are the same team tho

[real moss]

I mean when playing R5B4 we are a diversion so another team at the same time can do something. We be THAT team when picking datacube.

I imagine the same is going on in R6C3

[queen field]

yeah

but it's always the 4 main chars

[real moss]

I don't think you get what I mean .. I know the team we play is always the same 4 characters

[queen field]

aight so you wanna be the team that's doing whatever it has to do while the "main" team does the diversion

[real moss]

YES and in that way actually it would mean it IS always the same 4 characters xD

[queen field]

inb4 some R4C3 bs

"retrieve fog turbine"

[real moss]

and (but thats wishfull thinking) meaby see our past selves run from the waves of R5B4/R6C3

[hexed vapor]

When the secondary objective is a legitimate option for preparing the main objective.