gtfo-spoiler-chat

[rustic tusk]

Why are you saying this? He talked about the inconvenience in the system and that's it. And you started talking about "developed shit, they don't do shit," this has nothing to do with what @humble rune said, why not make archive better if it is already made?

[humble rune]

"Because there's already our archive sucking my buggy flagellum "

[nocturne flax]

cuz right now its caca dont use it bimbo, the community one its better organize and it have everything specially for the people who dont know the lore, if we are gonna wait for the devs to do it then we'll be here a long ass time, 6 months + vacation to be precise

so for as of right now for simplicity sake people should use the community one

and not even bother with the official since they only gonna use it for teasing a new rundown

[rustic tusk]

He reported the inconvenience and they can fix it when they have free time. Do you think the entire development team will go and change the log?

[rustic tusk]

There is also logs there, so...

[nocturne flax]

they should fix it, yes

should they add snatcher, yes

did they did it, no

getting my ass handed by pmc

[thick burrow]

hell yeah, fighting in spoiler chat

[nocturne flax]

we always are

less go

[thick burrow]

kiting = good

[rustic tusk]

Dude, I'm just saying that he reported something, and you started talking about how betrayed you feel, and how godly the someguy is (maybe he is) .

[nocturne flax]

yes

hit em with the kite attack

[nocturne flax]

Appreciate the feedback, will pass it along internally

[rustic tusk]

I hope it helps you hate those stupid devs

[obtuse surge]

now bhop

[nocturne flax]

i dont hate them

at all

I love them

[humble rune]

What a bug you are. Just because something is more effective doesn't mean you have to use it, the party shooting team won't come to me, no one forbids you to do your own thing. I repeat, I just like the official archive aesthetically

[nocturne flax]

but tough love its where it at

[rustic tusk]

But you sure cry a lot

[thick burrow]

i personally feel like bhop should be removed from the game 💯

and kiting needs a buff

[nocturne flax]

Appreciate the feedback, will pass it along internally

[thick burrow]

ok Greco-Soviet worker

[nocturne flax]

first time in long months that i actually critize them for anything

and its ok to critize them

[rustic tusk]

It is a great thing that you agreed

[nocturne flax]

they gotta realize that theres some aspects they need to work on

[rustic tusk]

It is, but right now it was a bit random

[nocturne flax]

its not random

[nocturne flax]

yeah we need to slow down sleeper movement speed

so i can run around my class 2 alarm

[thick burrow]

why am i getting hit while kiting?!

[obtuse surge]

i personally feel like bhop needs to make more noise but in return we should be able to stomp heads on crawlers

[clear idol]

we just need to remove sleepers. Shooters only B)

[rustic tusk]

Again : "he reported something, and you started talking about how betrayed you feel, and how godly the someguy is (maybe he is)" But how does all of your shit helps to make dev archive better?

[thick burrow]

with them big ass jordans

[clear idol]

feeling like mario in this complex

[nocturne flax]

first of all stop going of rails, i spoke that the community one its better so use that rather than official, the you bought up the fact the they gotta fix it, then i said ok go wait 6 months

thats it

[turbid cliff]

Shooters are sleepers

[thick burrow]

stormpooper is typing

[nocturne flax]

my point still stands community archive its better people should use rather than dependding on the official one

[obtuse surge]

Stormpooper is typing...

[nocturne flax]

now we should drop

[turbid cliff]

Then this was repeated 10 times

[thick burrow]

where is kerse to tell u guys to stop this convo

[nocturne flax]

i know

[thick burrow]

#bringbackkerse

[clear idol]

shhhhh remove sleepers spitters only

did they remove the spitter emoji here

[rustic tusk]

But nobody asked for your "community one is better"

[clear idol]

😔

[obtuse surge]

#freekurse

[nocturne flax]

i made a statement

[thick burrow]

free my man kerse, he ain't do nun

[turbid cliff]

you sure like circling a lot in conversations
do you perhaps enjoy circle kite as well

[clear idol]

nvm changed name

[rustic tusk]

Who
cares?

[thick burrow]

i care

i deeply care matter of fact

[clear idol]

ok kaneki..

[nocturne flax]

i dont care that you dont care, its a statement lmao

its a public place too so i couldnt care even mroe

[thick burrow]

you tell em my sussy lil dragon

[nocturne flax]

cringe as hell but i take it

[thick burrow]

baka

[nocturne flax]

wtf

[rustic tusk]

If no one cares about your statement, what is the point of saying it? And do you have to prove that chase`s one is better if the guy said he knows that?

[nocturne flax]

my man nitpicking lmao get out of here

just drop it brother

[solemn wigeon]

Babe wake up, gtfo drama

[nocturne flax]

call ricardo

he has all the gifs

i dont have them

[clear idol]

gtfo chat when theres drama: its showtime

[thick burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ow-o-gif-21643995

[obtuse surge]

me when gtfo
gtfo when you when

[thick burrow]

and when the tank be like

[rustic tusk]

I guess some china bugman were made to be annoying.

[nocturne flax]

oh

[obtuse surge]

[thick burrow]

[humble rune]

And let me remind you, I just reported a thing that I thought was inaccurate, and then the shit started going down about, efficiency, bad devs and "CHASES NUNBER ONE!"

[thick burrow]

i'm telling my therapist about gtfo chat

[nocturne flax]

:idonthavenitroandiliveunderabridge:

[clear idol]

:( dont tell ur therapist about me

[solemn wigeon]

Make sure you tell your therapist about bmo

[clear idol]

fuck

[nocturne flax]

i just told you that community its better thats all then it derailed like always

is there anything else you wanna add

[obtuse surge]

[solemn wigeon]

[nocturne flax]

im circle kiting these fools

[thick burrow]

this convo would've ended long ago if kerse was still here :/

[obtuse surge]

end up on jcs after kiting argument

[humble rune]

Or rather you've started to tell me the same thing over and over again when I'm talking about flavour choice and not about efficiency or anything else

[obtuse surge]

natural evolution tree

[clear idol]

[nocturne flax]

use community one

[clear idol]

anyways guys remove strikers and replace them with spitters :)

game would be perfect

[humble rune]

who cares ...

[rustic tusk]

I hope he prescribes you some good antidepressants for you.

[nocturne flax]

i prescribe him weed

[solemn wigeon]

Damn not even Great Jagras

[thick burrow]

did you just assume my therapist' gender

damn we live in a society

[rustic tusk]

Very American of you

[clear idol]

cant even have a chick therapist kaneki L

[nocturne flax]

very the whole world

[rustic tusk]

We really are 🤡

[solemn wigeon]

The warden is everyone's therapist here

[obtuse surge]

kaneki with his male therapist 😂 😂

[nocturne flax]

wanna know an E1 cheese

for all these struggles

[humble rune]

because we live in a society ...

[clear idol]

press alt f4

[thick burrow]

😹 😹

[rustic tusk]

Like what world? 1/3 of that world?

[clear idol]

takes you to the end of the lvl

[nocturne flax]

i meant the whole world as in the whole planet not america 😅

[solemn wigeon]

4/3 of Earth

[rustic tusk]

I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now I realize, it’s a comedy 🤡

[nocturne flax]

ok

so to cheese e1

at spawn theres this boxes

by a rock

you can hide behind it

and not get hit

🧀

[clear idol]

woah

crazy

cheese talk in gtfo chat

[humble rune]

I always thought that spoiler-chat was a tragedy in a way, but now I realise that it's actually all comedy ...

[thick burrow]

Appreciate the feedback, will pass it along internally

[nocturne flax]

dont tell them i told you 😽

[nocturne flax]

first time

theres actually a wooping 3 cheese spots in e1

that you can hide

sorry

its part of a strat

theres one where you can hide behind one those lamps near a wall

you can bait all enemies in there D :

crazy good strat

[humble rune]

Sadly no, I'm getting all fucked up from this kind of cultural talk

[clear idol]

what next dragon

gonna talk about 🪁 ?

[obtuse surge]

E1 burst cannon strat

[clear idol]

this tbh

[nocturne flax]

dont we all love eachother anyways

[solemn wigeon]

Fuck the burst cannon

Worse than burst rifle

[clear idol]

quad

[humble rune]

I love the world especially when it hits me in the fuckin' face

[clear idol]

damn welcome to life

first time?

[solemn wigeon]

Yes bmo?

[nocturne flax]

such its life

[clear idol]

<3

[thick burrow]

i'm not real

[obtuse surge]

c'est la vie !

[nocturne flax]

were just pixels in your screen

[nocturne flax]

stop talking chinese

[clear idol]

😳

[thick burrow]

one more french word from you and deporting u

[humble rune]

Which one of us

[obtuse surge]

-10 social credit

[nocturne flax]

are you real?

[thick burrow]

silly baka

[solemn wigeon]

Uwu

[humble rune]

Depends on the definition

[rustic tusk]

🤮

[solemn wigeon]

Could be worse. I could have said MH:World

[thick burrow]

uwu~~ onniiiiiii-chan

[rustic tusk]

Not this guy again...

[solemn wigeon]

:^)

[humble rune]

Are you an agent of the matrix?

[solemn wigeon]

Mayhaps

[rustic tusk]

Anime is shit btw;)

[thick burrow]

ur mom

[nocturne flax]

is the beard real

[turbid cliff]

Why the fuck are you all still here

[thick burrow]

stormpooper is typing

[nocturne flax]

oh oh storm angry

storm pooppy

[humble rune]

Well, yes, socialists have everything real, even communism

[nocturne flax]

stormcaca

[thick burrow]

stormpipi

[turbid cliff]

#general

[nocturne flax]

storm dookie

[thick burrow]

stormshitty

[obtuse surge]

storm puwuper

[atomic escarp]

Peen sus

Lotus

[solemn wigeon]

😳

[atomic escarp]

Rhombus

[granite token]

Ohh I see

[gray steeple]

I have a spoiler, the sleepers are sleeping because they are tired.

[sick hornet]

i see now

[vapid moon]

No your asleep

[gray steeple]

The homie said they see

Also that pfp terrifies the living hell out of me

Frog

[vagrant fractal]

cry about it

[gray steeple]

No, because I wasn’t serious about it 🗿

[vagrant fractal]

🗿

[sick hornet]

🗿

[gray steeple]

Respect+

[turbid cliff]

<@&408548765599793173> multiple channels

[main comet]

Thank you

[granite owl]

any tips to deal with the class 3 S1 cluster in D1. My squad gets destroyed at that part of the stage

[dreamy bramble]

1 sniper sentry at the bridge leading in, and 1 sniper sentry covering whatever side door you had to go for the key

if the wave is far away, get the farthest s1 scans so you can fall back to the backwards scans

if the wave is on top of you, do the closest scans first so you can push the wave back before pushing into the far scans

designate someone as a leader for the s1 so you all move together

[vapid moon]

prioritize keeping the wave controlled rather than staying in scan

[sharp merlin]

fog repellers!

4 man fogs

[novel basalt]

Remember, switching to your secondary is faster than reloading

[nocturne flax]

AcHuL1
It should be the oposite in this game switching to yoyr primary its faster than reloading

[granite token]

Don't quickly rush to the scan, take your time, control the wave and if there are enemies in the scan, don't go there.

[coarse echo]

shoot them

[nocturne flax]

He aint wrong

[tribal heath]

Any suggestions on the strat for C3 terminals?

[ember sleet]

Big tips in here thx

[gleaming cedar]

2 on terminals, 2 focus fire on 1 door. If both are doors open, closely guard each terminal player.

[pulsar zodiac]

Dlscord in every channel

<@&408548765599793173>

[atomic escarp]

[vapid moon]

np

[ember sleet]

Can you teach me your ways ?

[vapid moon]

sure but im super rusty in gtfo now lol

[ember sleet]

It shall be a learning experience for both of us then

[muted mulch]

im just play a game and someone cfoam the door then broke it and enemy cant seem to pass thought that door even the door it broken what the deal with that

[granite roost]

That happened to me yesterday on C3

Its a bug

[ember sleet]

Isn't that a good thing XD

[novel basalt]

Used that bug to complete c1 extreme, not a single enemy apprared for the rest of the level

Prolly an S tier bug

[mortal granite]

bug has been here since Alpha but no one can reproduce it

until now

[west crow]

Hahahahahaha

Road map doesn't mention new enemies hahahahahaha

2021 release hahahahahaha

[lofty sun]

That means we removed them all. It’s now a renovation simulator! Have fun putting up wallpapers in the complex ❤️

[west crow]

Delusion hahahahahahha

[paper harness]

DW I'll design an enemy for the Devs free of charge. What if you got a tank, then used the fill tool to paint it black, and then called it a charger tank.

[robust marsh]

maybe than i can have my dream of Tank AI being like a charger but more advanced

[lofty sun]

And then we put 4 wheels on it?

[pulsar zodiac]

Cocoon tank

[rotund ether]

mother tank spawns charger babies

[paper harness]

Yes, new enemy type r6 done ✅ on the roadmap

[lofty sun]

We should talk to the devs about it! A drivable tank!

[paper harness]

Yeah I think that they should hire us to design the game or something with all these great ideas that we're coming up with

[lofty sun]

If there only was a way to apply for such a job!

[heady dew]

Or even for help in design ideas, new creactures or even voice acting possible future characters!

[mossy cloak]

Any voice actors for that driveable tank?

[queen field]

wat

[blazing burrow]

thonk

[mild sonnet]

So wait Ten Chambers is going out of their way to further the already strict kiting measures??

[sick hornet]

yes

as they should

[rich estuary]

People scattering to run around the moment an alarm scan finishes is kinda obnoxious, if people grouped up and shot or hammered it would be better. Most cases people end up losing a lot of health when they run around trying to hammer

Yes I know people are capable of not getting hit or cleaning up effectively on their own, but for the general player this isn't the case

[mild sonnet]

I know its because of the pro players who circle kite entire levels, but I feel like its gonna put a bigger strain on the less adept or experienced players

[opal narwhal]

But they will adapt level design as well and it will be fine, or it will be a really hard rundown

[hexed vapor]

It's more-so that hammer kiting is really easy and very strong, and it tends to make gameplay a bit boring for people who know their shit.

[sick hornet]

inb4 the new gear is a grappling hook

[mild sonnet]

😳😂

But honestly if this next rundown is harder than r5, Im gonna straight up stop playing. I am hoping for some easy duo completions in at least the B-tiers next rundown

[sick hornet]

i hope theres a level similar to C2 main thats a bit easier

[coarse echo]

What

[sick hornet]

that would be such a fun level to play in pubs

[coarse echo]

Blake the rundown isn't that hard don't take the combat shotgun

[sick hornet]

yea blake, B tiers were a bit difficult this time around

after the update i think they made A too easy

C feels fine

D is fantastic

E1 is such a dogshit level

[thick burrow]

r4d2 moment

[sick hornet]

r4d2 was bad

that is not even close to C2 main

[thick burrow]

Extreme feels strangely similar to main section of c2

[solemn wigeon]

R5E1 wasn't even that bad

just long

[sick hornet]

imo its a bad level

i like the concept though

[thick burrow]

[mild sonnet]

I only did cell skip on E1 so I dont know how long it actually is

[thick burrow]

Depending if you’re playing with decent players around 1:30

Pubs 2+

[solemn wigeon]

Cell skip

[mild sonnet]

yeah and we killed both mothers

[thick burrow]

Not that hard to pull off

[nocturne flax]

cell skip dont look that bad really if your playing it for completion

you fight a big ass room but you get to skip charger alarm, big chargers, class 6 shadow, stealth zone

[solemn wigeon]

Its just not fun, you don't get to experience the whole level

[nocturne flax]

ive never done it

but yeah i can see why its easier to do

1 mine on a big door and hlaf the room dead

wtf

they actually put the r4 completions

lmao

[solemn wigeon]

ye

R4A2 moment

[nocturne flax]

funny how b1 was harder than b2 apparently lol

nope read that wrong

10% survival rate

i expected more tbh

[solemn wigeon]

I can understand why B1 is harder than B2

[sick hornet]

The giant chrargers are pretty tough, and beginners go in order so more losses on B1 until they can beat it, then easy B2

[solemn wigeon]

oh im talking R4

[errant vigil]

Infectious fog do be hard without a disinfect station

And R4B1's is at the very end of the level through two scouts

[solemn wigeon]

and a Class III alarm

all in fog

[errant vigil]

It's super good

Infectious fog is my favorite mechanic

[solemn wigeon]

Its really good

but a new team will struggle

[nocturne flax]

so i click on the 10cc stream to binge watch it

why is simon wearing a weird looking backpack

[errant vigil]

yes

[unborn wind]

simon is wearing a woojer vest where it reacts to the games sounds and music and he feels it on his body

[nocturne flax]

thats pog

so its basically like a big speaker attach to his chest?

[unborn wind]

yeah

[solemn wigeon]

Noice

[unborn wind]

u know how some speakers have lights that move with music?

its the same thing but with a vest

[nocturne flax]

it reminds me of the eye tracking technology thats pretty neat

[broken zinc]

coughtr2e1

[nocturne flax]

r2e1 had a scout in like every zone after the error started afaik

also E tier vs B

[high forge]

That's like comparing a fiat multipla to any lambo

[pliant shard]

Si se puede

[coarse echo]

gun go pow and they die

[wet dragon]

Work Together, Still Died

[coarse echo]

hi can someone explain to me about the track star sleeper who will catch up to you no matter what

[unborn wind]

cause he's pro roberto

[coarse echo]

ok but sometimes i run away from enemy, I see it run past me to go get JUSTIN

[unborn wind]

then if justin gets hit he's noob

[coarse echo]

it just annoys me that 1 will catch up to u while others are crouch walking to u

[unborn wind]

same, especially track star giants, when you think he's coming with the bois, he shows up alone ready to swipe ur run away

[sick hornet]

the strikers have a size range that they spawn in, which for some reason effects global animations so some are faster than others

[candid dragon]

thats crazy. i guess that explains giants that absolutely shmoove.

[west crow]

Big strikers were given a quality in the rundown 2 d2 and e1 update where they could walk faster if the players were too far away. Sleepers were given the ability to collide with each other in rundown 4 without any sort of limit, leaving it possible for them to indefinitely speed each other up. Generally, all sleeper animations were sped up in rundown 5, breaking most things and making sleepers both faster in movement and attack speed.

add that all together and you get to cry about it

[clear idol]

@west crow when the when

[unborn wind]

you see this robert? i guess we're both just noobs

[nocturne flax]

ah... yes, i can see the bait from a mile away

your doing it wrong tho

you have to talk about kite

or else it doesnt work

[solemn wigeon]

or bhopping

[nocturne flax]

^

[clear idol]

fr

[coarse echo]

I honestly didnt expect anyone would care enough to write an essay

[clear idol]

ok

[unborn wind]

lmao

[west crow]

big enemy go fast game bad made

[vapid moon]

collision big B)

[rotund ether]

will we get any steam achievements when the game goes v1?

[mossy yoke]

Steam achievements is something on our backlog, but is something we are planning on adding to the game. Our roadmap shows what we're working on and planning for the upcoming release.

.t roadmap

[jaunty hedge]

You can view the roadmap here: https://gtfothegame.com/roadmap

[rotund ether]

noice

[mellow creek]

r6 gona be hard with anti kite xD

[lofty sun]

How do you know that? 😊

[mossy yoke]

how are they supposed to fly 🪁 without kiting?

I'll have to check on that. I know many people have asked for more info so I'll see what I can do as we get closer to release.

[nocturne flax]

A little sneak peak would be nice

so you can calm down the fire

[regal thicket]

the only fire are people gaslighting themselves

[coarse echo]

Shoot gun enemy die

[nocturne flax]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeynoises-trihard-gif-19847599

[broken zinc]

Are you guys currently working on another project while doing the r6? Looking at the roadmap, it feels like R6 got started pretty recently

[mossy yoke]

We're full steam on GTFO. One of the reasons it may feel like it was started recently is due to the roadmap only being updated now, when in fact we've been working on various aspects of R6 since around the R5.5 time period. It takes significant resources to exponentially grow a company and hire as many people as we have in such a short period of time, train them on the game and code, and values of the company, etc.

There's a lot of moving parts behind the scenes, and a lot of stuff that we're working on. You'll be pleasantly surprised by everything that we're working on and that will be coming with R6.

[thick burrow]

damn R6 better resolve all my issues

[mossy yoke]

I don't see how R6 can make you play better

[solemn wigeon]

Siege already has too many issues of its own wdym

[solemn wigeon]

Now that the roadmap is being updated again, how often do you think we can expect updates

to the roadmap*

[mossy yoke]

in about 6 months. 😉

[solemn wigeon]

R6 was never real

[turbid cliff]

speaking of other projects, 10CC got any plans for other games?

[mossy yoke]

For real though, we internally review it frequently and update it as soon as there's something to change on it. all depends on the changes/features - most stuff is pretty large so takes time to work on them

[solemn wigeon]

I c i c

[mossy yoke]

Ulf is always dreaming

[solemn wigeon]

I look forward to the next update where I can be depressed that R6 isn't out yet

[coarse echo]

Are you bringing the burst cannon back

[solemn wigeon]

Pls no

[unborn wind]

is hel revolver coming back?

[atomic escarp]

Burst cannon but 0 shot delay : ^ )

[candid dragon]

bring back the long range shotty, but fix its bullshit.

[solemn wigeon]

Drop us in with 0 ammo

[errant vigil]

I wouldn't be surprised that they bring hel primaries into the game and more pen on secondaries because you can't easily kite in the future

[nocturne flax]

we dont even know what theyre gonna do

hell we'll probably know 2 weeks before the rundown releases probably kekw

[solemn wigeon]

Inb4 they don't spoil anything

[nocturne flax]

inb4 premature trailer release

[errant vigil]

that's why we speculating drangondo

[solemn wigeon]

I hope R6B2 is spitters only

[mossy yoke]

takes notes

[fallen badger]

+1

[solemn wigeon]

Just long corridors filled to the brim with spitters and its just how well can you keep them all in check while you progress

[mossy yoke]

what about all enemies are mothers, full infection fog, and no fog repellers

[candid dragon]

stackable c-foam nades.

[queen field]

Will we get our shirtless swole chars tho

[rotund ether]

we start with infection 100

[fallen badger]

stealth level

[solemn wigeon]

Mothers that spawn infectious fog

[fallen badger]

sneak through without anyone waking anything up

[candid dragon]

hybrid mother

[mossy yoke]

oh.. these are roaming mothers, hope that's ok

[rotund ether]

charger mother

[queen field]

Big chargers farting infectious fog to reach ya faster

[solemn wigeon]

😳

[queen field]

Believe me it's a WIP

[mossy yoke]

and roaming spitters

[queen field]

flying spitters pls

[solemn wigeon]

I have enough ptsd of chargers mothers pls

[fallen badger]

spitters on an overhead conveyor belt

[candid dragon]

c-foam mine deployer

[queen field]

shirtless dauda 😳

[mossy yoke]

what about the mapper but every time you use it, it spawns more spitters?

[queen field]

Cfoam but each foam ball is a mine

[solemn wigeon]

Worth

[queen field]

i'll gladly spam

[solemn wigeon]

Mapper + spitters are 2 things I'll never say no to

[candid dragon]

spitters, but even louder than the artifact pickup noise.

[fallen badger]

lol

[queen field]

yes

make a bass-boosted version of their screams

Also make them inflate a lot more before exploding

Quality jumpscare

[candid dragon]

as loud as that man slamming on that keyboard while sweating and screaming

[solemn wigeon]

pre nerf artifact sound when

That shit was fire

[candid dragon]

i think there are chargers punching my upstairs neighbors

[solemn wigeon]

Do they deserve it

[candid dragon]

the chargers? certainly not.

the neighbors?

[solemn wigeon]

Neighbours fault for waking the chargers

[obtuse cedar]

Mother scout when?

[solemn wigeon]

Shadow mother

[obtuse cedar]

i'll do one better. shadow pmother scout ;p

gotta c-foam and bomb rush her to kill her before c-foam is removed to kill her

[mossy yoke]

shadow babies, but they also act like scouts. just imagine a million ankle biters running around

[candid dragon]

russian doll sleepers.
kill giant, striker comes out, kill striker, baby comes out.

[broken zinc]

I wouldent mind, my cpu would

[rain heron]

grenadier sleeper. similar to the hybrid but dealing burst damage

[dense oxide]

a way to remove cocoons would be nice

[fierce laurel]

flame throwers coming out

[quasi citrus]

flame thrower would be dope

[summer plank]

grenadier sleepers when seeing a team scan hehe boi

[keen rampart]

Question: E1 Infection Resistance. how does it scale if i take like 98% inf resistance. With how much do i spawn

[turbid cliff]

i don't know if anyone tested this

[solemn wigeon]

It doesn't affect it

I took 50% but dropped in with 100 like everyone else

It will still make you gain infection at 50%/98% the rate but it doesn't affect how much you start with

[turbid cliff]

maybe 50% just isn't enough to offset it

[hexed vapor]

I would assume it's set directly rather than being something you could mitigate.

[turbid cliff]

but ray that's the less lazy way to do it

this is 10cc

also tbh just because it's not the fog that does it, doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to mitigate it

[hexed vapor]

Sure, but I'd be surprised if it came from a source other than something that just sets it to 100.

[mossy yoke]

hmm, that just might be a situation where we didn't account for how the booster impacts when we force you to start with infection. I'll add it to our list to check on.

[dreamy bramble]

it depends on load time

you get infected during the drop, so with decent infection resist you can land with less infection as long as it doesn’t take too long

[turbid cliff]

but have you tested this

[dreamy bramble]

yes

i’ve dropped with ~95% infection resist and had 10% sometimes, and up to 20% other times

[turbid cliff]

10CC making you get a better pc

[hexed vapor]

Lmao

That's one way to do it.

[dreamy bramble]

there are some people i don’t take infection resist boosters with bc the drop takes so long that they’re redundant lol

it’s an actual problem

[obtuse cedar]

Infection on E1 drop depends on how long your team takes to load the level. If you had a team that loaded instantly you could get away with i'd say around 60% infection without any boosters

I know a friend of mine solo dropped in E1 before and had 70% infection without boosters

[turbid cliff]

@hexed vapor

[queen field]

Does it mean lag is canon ? 😳

[obtuse cedar]

Where does it state in the mission briefing that we are suppose to be 100% infected on drop :p

[rich estuary]

[tame sentinel]

I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
matter that you play GTFO

[granite owl]

bruh playing some D2 and a locker spawned backwards

i just wanted sum medi packs

[keen rampart]

In the most cases you can still open the Boxes.

[granite owl]

the front of the box was in the wall

and i think it was padlocked

[regal thicket]

you can still break it

[keen rampart]

Thats true

[granite owl]

how does one break it if cant reach the padlock (without lock melters)

[unborn wind]

U just shoot the lock xd

[granite owl]

the lock is in the wall tho

[hexed vapor]

Can't be opened.

[mossy cloak]

You can always just cry about it

[unborn wind]

if you think hard enough and imagine the lock breaking, itll break

dont forget, "i think i can, i think i can, i think i can"

[mossy yoke]

Just find the pickaxe and dig the box out of the wall

[unborn wind]

craft diamond pick, go to nether to get netherite, turn diamond pick into netherite pick, then go boom boom on wall and break lock with netherite pick

[unborn wind]

was that what you were thinking?

[mossy yoke]

Exactly !

[regal thicket]

smack around the middle of the backwards locker

it should still break

[thick burrow]

@broken scarab

hey

[broken scarab]

Hey!

[cold epoch]

Hey and welcome around!

[thick burrow]

[pulsar zodiac]

Mallet gang

[subtle vault]

Cringe

[robust marsh]

mallet gang YES

[cold epoch]

Will there be Questions answered by text for those who can't free themselves for next hour?

[robust marsh]

most likely

[solemn wigeon]

You have to be able to get into the call first lmao

[cold epoch]

Not if he reads the questions

[regal thicket]

can't believe doc is now unemployed /s

[solemn wigeon]

[mossy yoke]

[cold epoch]

First we lost Simon, and now we lose you, Doc

[mossy yoke]

i'll still be here to post #patch-notes

[turbid cliff]

Maybe now he can focus on those mono delivery pipelines

[mossy yoke]

and to push the button to push updates out

[robust marsh]

wait so no more doc leaks?

[cold epoch]

and complain when Jenkins dies for no reason?

[mossy yoke]

you get calle leaks

[robust marsh]

hmmmm

[mossy yoke]

first thing I did was kick jenkins out

[cold epoch]

[robust marsh]

bruh

[rich estuary]

no

[solemn wigeon]

yes

[surreal rivet]

😭

[subtle vault]

What happened with Simon

[pulsar zodiac]

Simon was caught using light theme

[subtle vault]

Damn

[surreal rivet]

That's unfortunate

[cold epoch]

He dabbed

[vapid moon]

WELCOMEEE

[obtuse surge]

the "five" in the announcement was an intentional slip up to hint that R6 is dropping in 5 days

[cold epoch]

Wesley with the deep lore

[pulsar zodiac]

more reactor tiles to climb

[mossy yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lznM-fygfqo&t=65s

[thick burrow]

[obtuse surge]

[solemn wigeon]

[broken scarab]

Thanks! Was in game 🙂

[candid dragon]

how many hours do you have so far?

[quasi citrus]

the best movie in existence

[obtuse surge]

for anyone that played with calle, did he kite tho..?

[sick hornet]

Of course he did

[quiet stone]

He used a cheese spot

[buoyant pewter]

i am legally not allowed to comment on this matter

[pliant shard]

ok goose

[regal thicket]

sign nda to play with calle

[broken scarab]

Your soul or first born would do

[subtle dagger]

u gonna pay child support?

[robust marsh]

someone call barghest

[turbid cliff]

I am the storm that is escaping
Evading

[pulsar zodiac]

Parental obligation

[fleet delta]

K i t e

[atomic escarp]

[bold widget]

Fellow vessel

[final anchor]

I took a break before the Extension dropped, is the terminal you need to enter "Resist" in this rundown?

[lofty echo]

yeppers in C3

[final anchor]

thanks is it in the high or do i have to go to extreme

[lofty echo]

in high path

[final anchor]

thanks

[vapid moon]

you little

[unborn wind]

<@&408548765599793173> pretty sure this is scam dont know though

[strange peak]

Guys are there Scouts in C3?

Spaguetti boy

[vivid quartz]

A few

[strange peak]

Ty

[velvet flower]

Every level has some scouts, except B4.

[subtle vault]

I found that weird

B4 not having scouts

[knotty sphinx]

It's a wave based shooter map

It makes no sense for a scout to be there 😄

[solemn wigeon]

Scouts would just trigger and be no different than the set wave

[hexed vapor]

I think the only expeditions w/out any scouts since R1 have been R1C1, R2B4, R2C2, and R5B4.

R2B4 is the only of these that didn't have a combat focus.

[cold epoch]

R4A1

[hexed vapor]

Only for main objective.

[regal thicket]

r4a2* has a chance of spawning a scout behind cell doors

[errant vigil]

A2

[keen rampart]

A2 got a scout

[atomic escarp]

He meant that R4A2 had a chance of having a scout inside one of the two zones the second cryo could spawn in

[regal thicket]

yea a2

[hexed vapor]

They said A1, tho?

There were none on the main path, but there were some in extreme.

Only A tier main objective w/out scouts thus far, too.

[turbid cliff]

A1 list from best to worst? high only

[hexed vapor]

1: R3
2: R5
3: R1
4: R2
5: R4

[turbid cliff]

surprising but i did think R3 would be up there

[sick hornet]

R1
R3
R2
R4
R5

[turbid cliff]

is that for pre-patch R5

[sick hornet]

yes

post patch still is pretty garbage

maybe above r4

[hexed vapor]

Seems pretty good to me?

Lots of chances to deal with enemies in stealth, there's a scout, merciful respawn rooms, fairly simple alarms.

Only thing is last alarm can be a bit confusing for new players, but that's it.

Actually, I'd swap R4 and R2 for me.

Both are pretty low but I think R4 was much worse.

[turbid cliff]

Respawn as a mechanic is ass and is not good as a newbie's first experience

A1 for veterans sure. A1 as A1 nope

Huge rooms and tons of immediate repetition

Worsened by enemies still clumping up despite the amount of space

Cell&generator as first puzzle seems to have confused a lot of players

Especially since they are told by the door that they're looking for a generator, but nothing tells them to look for a cell

First alarm room layout isn't good because huge room again

Last one has 4? Doors

Nvm 3 doors

Would be fine if sleepers decided on one door to go through but they don't

[nocturne flax]

The respawn mechanic kinda only applies when you do extreme

on A1 atleast

[hexed vapor]

They do, though?

They all go for the bottom door.

[nocturne flax]

so doing high only, having the respawn room makes literally no difference

[turbid cliff]

There's 2 bottom doors and not in my experience

[hexed vapor]

bottom left

Haven't had them deviate once, but maybe it's just incredibly rare.

[turbid cliff]

Haven't done A1 many times but i definitely remember several busted

Respawn A1 depends a lot if we're talking pre or post nerf

But post nerf the zone after lockdown still has them iirc

[nocturne flax]

pre nerf yeah i can see that been a problem

[hexed vapor]

Post-nerf I'd consider the "definitive" version.

[nocturne flax]

but i rather use the "version" we have now as a base since they clearly didnt intend to have that much of a mess in the first level

[turbid cliff]

You say that but it was indeed there at the start kekw

Still even if it's not particularly annoying post nerf, it's not a good introduction to it and shouldn't even be introduced in the first level imo

That yeet made me lose my train of thought

[nocturne flax]

its serviceable, in twitch streams of new people playing the game i find them struggling more on the last class 3 than on the cell part really

[hexed vapor]

There's definitely too many enemies in the first zone, but I might argue this gives you more experience w/ them.

Large rooms are fine, I think, because they make stealth far more manageable.

[turbid cliff]

More experience dying in the first room kekw

[nocturne flax]

They need to stop using theyre new envrioroments for A levels tbh

i rather have a good B level on floodways than been a A level

delay gratification me dammit

[turbid cliff]

Except logically stealth should be more manageable in small ones

Also if you fuck up in a big room there's more flank space

Ye olde silent crawler

[hexed vapor]

I don't see how that follows.

[turbid cliff]

And more room for shooters to be annoying

[hexed vapor]

Bigger room = the same number of enemies are easier to manage.

[nocturne flax]

I would argue as a new person big rooms are annoying to stealth

lots of crouch walking

[turbid cliff]

Mocking the spawn mechanics, sleepers should be equally spread out

Overall zone size should be similar, more smaller rooms would be easier stealth

[hexed vapor]

Perhaps.

[turbid cliff]

Newbies don't know about enemy ranges of hearing, alerts, all kinds of mechanics, how to see how many there are and what to do

[hexed vapor]

I do wish more A1s had big zones so that you could gets lots of packs of few enemies around.

[turbid cliff]

And as i said fucking up and dealing with it is much easier in small rooms

[turbid cliff]

Or just fix the spawn mechanics

Which according to doc they did

[nocturne flax]

Spawn mechanics are fine, the timers and indication need to be adjusted by a per level basis

[hexed vapor]

How are they broken iyo?

[nocturne flax]

spawn mechanics are good, people need to be better

[turbid cliff]

They're not fine, you're just not thinking about the right thing

[nocturne flax]

they're fine

[hexed vapor]

I'd rather they just make a custom enemy group that always spawns fewer enemies than the base group.

[turbid cliff]

Bruh

[nocturne flax]

im gonna write a big old paper

[hexed vapor]

Rn the base group has some huge enemy packs (like the 12-14 striker one).

[nocturne flax]

gimme 20 years

[turbid cliff]

Quoting one of the recent messages from doc:
luckly we've made adjustments to the spawn logic that should let us spread the enemies in a zone out a bit more

And there's tons more about the same thing

[hexed vapor]

I assume that's talking about the room placements?

[turbid cliff]

enemies grouping in like a single room when spawning is a bug, they should be more spaced out.

[hexed vapor]

Oh.

[turbid cliff]

This is what I'm talking about

[hexed vapor]

W8, so you do mean room placements.

It seems fine, tho?

[turbid cliff]

If it's still not clear

Let's say 5 areas in a zone. 20 sleepers. You'd expect them to be at least somewhat spread out, covering say 3 rooms at least.
But now you end up with most if not all in one room

[hexed vapor]

Okay, so room placements.

Yeah, it seems fine rn.

[turbid cliff]

Well it's a confirmed bug

Many times

And i remember you being in some convos where it was mentioned as well

[hexed vapor]

???

[turbid cliff]

And i see nothing fine about it

[hexed vapor]

For the context of A1 at least, this isn't the issue.

[turbid cliff]

The context here had drifted from A1 by then if you'd reread

Whatever

I see plenty of reasons for r5a1 to be near the bottom of a1s

[hexed vapor]

I think vets just don't like R5A1, but as far as things I'd want from an A tier it seems pretty good to me.

[rotund ether]

i like a3

[turbid cliff]

Ok

[rotund ether]

:)

[nocturne flax]

R4a1 didnt have scout

this one does

rest my case

[rotund ether]

in extreme it had

[nocturne flax]

we talking new players here

[turbid cliff]

But if you look at it differently

[rotund ether]

i mean yea u right

[hexed vapor]

Main objective only*

[nocturne flax]

so im basing my stuff on high only

[turbid cliff]

It's the only one that didn't show all its unique stealth in the first level

Kekw

[hexed vapor]

It feels to me like people tend to get past A tier w/out any experience in stealth, and I feel like A1 should provide more in that regard.

[nocturne flax]

slap a big charger here and there

that will show them

[hexed vapor]

If you don't think A1 should do that, though, then maybe it just needs to be really simple, really easy, in which case maybe A2 should be geared towards having lots of stealth sections.

[turbid cliff]

I don't think it possible to even talk about this

You have no idea what kind of player is there when he first plays the game

They may not even realize the sound and flashlights at first

What is stealth experience

[hexed vapor]

They've had lots of opportunities to clear or alert sleeping rooms and get used to them.

[turbid cliff]

If you have a learning mentality

[rotund ether]

plus in r5a1 the map is really confusing

[hexed vapor]

Well, if you have a learning mentality, you'll just drop in solo to practice and probably be good to go by the time you've started B tier.

[turbid cliff]

High standards here

[hexed vapor]

Possibly? It's a pretty straight shot besides the first zone.

[rotund ether]

maybe im just a dum dum i get confused

[hexed vapor]

But I think to some extent the game needs to force players to deal with enough stealth early in the rundown.

[rotund ether]

directions arent really my strong suite

[turbid cliff]

I don't know how you'd fix your stealth experience

Overwhelm them in terms of resources so you can't get through with shooting skill?

[hexed vapor]

Maybe A1 should just be really easy, because people who struggle later on are most likely beyond redemption regardless.

They haven't learned the game, and they don't want to.

[turbid cliff]

Need nitro back

[hexed vapor]

and I suppose B tier provides more than enough stealth to provide the experience you'd need for B tier.

[rotund ether]

yea maybe the A tiers should be really straightforward and difficulties should start in the B tiers where people decide to take the game more seriously

[solemn wigeon]

Or have just A1 be slightly easier than the rest

[atomic escarp]

A2 is a better A1 don't @ me

[solemn wigeon]

A3 for A1

[rotund ether]

u right

[hexed vapor]

You kind of have that progression already where A1 is always fairly straightforward with a simple objective, and w/ layers it's only ever an extreme objective that reasonably challenging w/out actually being very hard. Any other A tier and its layers can be more complicated while being in a wider range of difficulty, as well as allowing for overload objectives.

Even going off of the difficulty and simplicity of each A1, I think I'd only move R5 below R1, it remains very straightforward compared to the complicated alarm set-up on R2 and R4.

[nocturne flax]

I think player mentality its more at fault when it comes to respawn rooms

[hexed vapor]

He wasn't talking about respawn, tho.

He's talking about the initial placement of enemies when you start the level.

[nocturne flax]

oh

those are somewhat good tho

[hexed vapor]

They do seem fine in my experience R5.

[nocturne flax]

they do have to fix the spawn all enemies in a room bug tho

they dont distribute well

[hexed vapor]

They seem to distribute okay?

[nocturne flax]

anecdotal just like yours, i dont think its ok to go to generator room in A1 and see all the spawns of the zone there

it does happen

[mossy yoke]

that's literally what storm has been talking about

and what he quoted me saying earlier

[nocturne flax]

I tought we where talking about respawn rooms

had a big ol paper

to say "nah men, us players stupid"

but the in turn it was that

[hexed vapor]

Maybe I haven't seen the bug.

[nocturne flax]

you just got use to see it

so its a feature

lel

[hexed vapor]

I only really remember that in R3 and prior there were issues w/ small rooms accepting absurd numbers of enemies in them.

[solemn wigeon]

I remember the bug

R4A3 extreme with the genuinely the entire zone in one room and a scout in the adjacent room

[hexed vapor]

I legit don't recall ever seeing it.

[nocturne flax]

Some matrix shit

it was infront of you the whole time

[turbid cliff]

You legit just pay exactly 0 attention to it

[nocturne flax]

you just didnt see it

[turbid cliff]

I'll draw you a map after work tomorrow-today

[hexed vapor]

This bug sounds a bit more extreme than just some RNG, though.

because there's ways you can get lots of enemies in one room while the pods themselves are still fairly distributed.

but this sounds like every single pod besides one or two spawns in one room.

[nocturne flax]

are you talking about respawn rooms now

[hexed vapor]

No.

I just like using pod to distinguish between each individual enemy pack spawned by a group and the overarching group put into a zone.

[cold epoch]

I see this bug happen quite frequently with the Sec door to Zone 64 in R5A1

Where often you see like 2-3 sleepers in other rooms and a dozen in that room

[hexed vapor]

In my experience that room population is pretty standard for how many enemies you see in other rooms.

[cold epoch]

To redo your pod analogy, every room has a pod, and this one has several

[hexed vapor]

That zone has a bad Distribution value that causes it to spawn using a very high score.

and I could check but it feels like that room gets 2-3 pods.

Just a small room getting more pods than it probably should.

[cold epoch]

Probs

[rich estuary]

it's very common for most all of the enemy groups to spawn in one single room

enemy distribution and spawning for sure needs some work

[sweet echo]

[calm coral]

f1 starting where d2 left off

with the three tanks error alarm

you gotta backtrack through the level

fog rising

charger scouts and giants respawning

and as soon as you get out of the reactor

boom

2 mothers from the apex door where one was sleeping before😎

[sweet echo]

Or

A new boss.

Because if you think about it

We have a mob spawning boss

And a melee tanky boss

But no ranged one.

[calm coral]

so where’s the ranged boss

exactly

good one

[sweet echo]

MMMM

READINGMYMIND

[calm coral]

well

thing is

[sweet echo]

[calm coral]

tank is literally a sniper

lmao

[sweet echo]

I'm talking like

A Hybrid, but a giant one.

[calm coral]

yea got it

it should have a charge attack as well tho

[sweet echo]

But the whole chain-gun attack is longer and way more deadly.

And maybe have it run away from players as opposed to running to them.

[cold epoch]

Come to think of it, an escape sequence where you close doors as something like a Tank chases you would be fun

[sweet echo]

Keep a safe distance, but only charge when necessary.

[calm coral]

me and the boys hiding from the mega hybrid

[calm coral]

end of d2?

that’s literally the end of d2 my man

but it’s not 1

it’s 3😩

[cold epoch]

I was more thinking of the foaming strategy of R4E1

[sweet echo]

Me and the boys hiding from the Big Fucking Spitter at 3 AM in an abandoned laboratory:

[cold epoch]

Where you Basically synced the wave at spawncap behind 3 foamed doors as you deactivated the error Alarm

[calm coral]

i’d be down for a proper boss fight tho

[sweet echo]

Do you know what I'd be interested in seeing?

[calm coral]

where positioning and stuff are actually important

[sweet echo]

Remember in the teaser trailer, at the end

Was the big ass tentacle?

[calm coral]

snatchers

[sweet echo]

Yeah.

Could've been a Tank for all I know.

But what if we had something like

[calm coral]

honestly what i’d love is if they could snatch your weapons or something

[sweet echo]

An enemy stuck in the wall

[calm coral]

not the hammer

[sweet echo]

WELL

[calm coral]

but like

yea

[sweet echo]

That would be hard to integrate.

[calm coral]

true

it’s hard to find truly interesting game concepts

lotta stuff to consider

it’d be fun if there were blind expeditions

where the warden objective is corrupted or something

and you have to find out yourself

since we already have dynamic zone generation and stuff, how about we have like a decently randomised level with one of a list of objectives, different per run

a special kind of expedition

[sweet echo]

I guess.

[calm coral]

or maybe the objective could be on a weekly cycle

idk

just trying to think about ideas here

I just love the feeling at the start of a rundown where you have no idea what to expect

and destiny blind raiding and stuff like that

so I was like: the game has the atmosphere going for it, maybe some kinda randomised stuff could make for interesting levels

[fluid quiver]

IMO it would be pretty fun and cool to have randomized objectives but probably would only work on High only maps

[mortal granite]

randomize stuff are not really good as we said since

an A level can turn into an E level

[signal fox]

Unless A tier is getting spammed with giants and bosses during error alarms and having more than 15 scouts in one level, simply no.

[mortal granite]

player can get drop into a level similar to E level where it's all poison fog

[signal fox]

Randomized levels would be interesting and obviously some rng would be better than others but I would say a B becoming a C is a stretch

[mortal granite]

so right away, you can get 100% infected just like E1

[signal fox]

Is b2 the same as e1 then?

[mortal granite]

i mean when you start the drop

there is a chance you might need to reset

[signal fox]

You act like they can’t just stop that from being in the spawn pool

And if it does happen just reset

You keep boosters for the first 30 sec

[mortal granite]

that's one of the thing would happen

i mean rng option is good when you don't put it in any level

but straight up a mode

[signal fox]

It could be interesting

Again starting at max infection could literally just not be in the rng pool

Just generate the spawns based on the tier of the level

[turbid cliff]

Like the levels don't look enough like each other already

It's harder to control difficulty than you seem to assume

[signal fox]

The levels look like each other because there aren’t enough tiles in the game

Is it really so far fetched to assume that huge difficulty spikes like starting at max infection are impossible to remove from the rng pool?

[turbid cliff]

Hard to think you'd notice everything

Not to mention the possibility of generation failing completely or technically succeeding but producing s soft locked level

And simple things can be huge spikes as well

E.g. one time a hard alarm is made easy by single door entry, another time there's no doors at all

[solemn wigeon]

C1

[turbid cliff]

Well that one is also fucked by uplink rules, forcing enemy spawns one room away

But yes

[solemn wigeon]

Well its more the S alarms

The first one is sort of challenging

Compared to one with a small doorway or tunnel to funnel the enemies through

[signal fox]

I’m not saying that rng has no effect on the difficulty but it’s not like they can’t make rules for the level generation. Or if it’s too difficult to implement there could be partial random generation with scan rooms being fixed

[turbid cliff]

If you keep making rules for rng for every possibility you'll end up with close to no rng

[signal fox]

That’s not what I’m saying though

And even if it was and there were only like 3 variations of a level, it would still increase the replay ability so it would be better anyway

[turbid cliff]

Then it comes down to other factors, like time it'd take to do this

And again for me it's unrealistic to think you can consider everything that can push a level down a tier

[signal fox]

You probably can’t consider everything, but they don’t have too either. They only would have to consider what should be allowed and build a pool to draw from

Base it off tier and tune it

[turbid cliff]

And going in a circle once more, as i see it there's so much shit you'd have to filter out that you'd get a very limited or a very generic level

[solemn wigeon]

I've lost track of this conversation:(

[turbid cliff]

Looking from another side, a level you can randomize without losing value is probably already a worse level

Than a tuned experience

[signal fox]

How so?

[turbid cliff]

It limits how much you can fine-tune a level

[signal fox]

But It can just be easier while being randomized

It doesn’t need to be super hard to be fun

[turbid cliff]

Where did i mention difficulty for this point

[signal fox]

.

[turbid cliff]

Not clearly enough stated that this is separate?

[signal fox]

The whole point in tuning it is so the difficulty isn’t out of whack

If they deliberately make it easier it doesn’t need to be tuned as much

[turbid cliff]

Missing the point entirely

Fine-tuning is not limited to only adjusting difficulty

Showing cool stuff, teaching players, whatever

A specific challenge

Set pieces

A randomizer level won't have any of that, nothing making it interesting

[signal fox]

The randomness would be the specific challenge, because you don’t have a set plan from start to finish. Half of the a/b levels don’t have anything interesting them anyways

This game doesn’t teach the players anything either so it’s a moot point

[turbid cliff]

It's always seemed to me like devs design levels trying to show something to the players in easier tiers

I don't know if it counts as teaching to you but it sure does to me

And a veteran shouldn't have a challenge in there so it's only natural they wouldn't interest some players

[signal fox]

Showing and teaching aren’t the same. Putting a mother in front of someone doesn’t teach them anything. It just shows them a boss

It’s not even intuitive teaching like what destiny does in some of its strikes (shows simplified mechanic, and extrapolates it throughout the strike)

[turbid cliff]

And how would you teach here

The levels are generated in case you forgot

[signal fox]

I wouldn’t expect a rng level to have new enemies or mechanics

[turbid cliff]

I don't know how to talk to you

I didn't have rng levels in mind at all, the convo was drifting to teaching players here, which came from fine tuned experiences

And you counter that with rng levels which are now unrelated at all

[solemn wigeon]

You already know my squad is gonna wipe on r6a1

[dapper dagger]

pMother on an A level

[signal fox]

I was under the impression that all this was in regards to how it would affect randomized levels

[turbid cliff]

The effect on them is that it can't have that

It loses a point of interest

Rng levels would have to be extremely generic and extremely limited to work in gtfo, which is not worth the effort at all

Said this at the start and finishing with it cuz it's impossible to go anywhere

[regal thicket]

b2 ovl "rng" is somewhat ok

anything more is too much

[hexed vapor]

There already are RNG mechanics?

Not sure what else you'd want to add.

[robust marsh]

a lot of RNG really

[turbid cliff]

if you read a few messages above you'd see randomized objectives mentioned

but mostly randomized layout

[rich estuary]

strikers are pretty random, their group can range from like 4 to 16 or some crazy amount

they stack more than one group in a zone and that ends up being a crazy amount on the high end

hopefully the better distribution of the enemies that was hinted at works well at sprinkling them throughout the zone if there's a lot of them

[hexed vapor]

Yeah, the group 0 diff 0 is incredibly variable.

2 strikers 2 shooters, 3 strikers 1 shooter, 1 striker 3 shooters, 12 strikers

[turbid cliff]

Since we're on the topic of that, wasn't it unrestricted to what gets picked as long as there's at least 3 score remaining

So you could technically get that hypothetical 12 striker group when you should only get 3

[hexed vapor]

Yep

the zone can be almost full up and bam, an extra 12 strikers on top of everything.

[turbid cliff]

And they're all gonna be forced into one room too that also might've been pretty good on sleepers already

You love to see it

[signal fox]

I was talking about random map generation

[hexed vapor]

Sounds a bit annoying for doors on alarms.

Doesn't super serve a purpose anyhow?

Just play a proper roguelike.

[signal fox]

it just seemed like it would be an interesting idea for a level

call it labyrinth or something

[nocturne flax]

plays fatal experiment once

[hexed vapor]

It's easier to get a labyrinth feel by having a lot of objective RNG w/ a confusing zone layout.

[nocturne flax]

I rather have a well design level that random shit

something that actually makes sense

and have a personality to it

rather than some wack ass auto generated objective or layout

[hexed vapor]

Tbf, it's not like the levels we have now are quite hand-crafted.

but the consistency is an aesthetic that I prefer.

[obtuse surge]

With the most optimal coomer loadout you can use just below 34 full charges for each wave on B1 overload
(that is assuming that you picked up all tool available and didn't use any for prior obstacles)

you could technically permafoam for the reactor but that wouldn't be as good as just using it on the floor because you're gonna want to kill them as they'll just queue up for after the reactor is done

boosters aren't too op

but the burst cannon was

🌐

[atomic escarp]

Can't burst cancel if the ROF is too fast : ^ )

[clear idol]

Macro

people have already expressed the want to create macros/AHK's even for a pve game

[errant vigil]

Macros and such like it are cringe

it's not that hard to practice a two input sequence

[turbid cliff]

even easier not to use it kekw

[tribal heath]

what was the commands for reading the generated logs on the 2nd terminal for c3 uplinks? something like "read uplinkcodes_01.log"

[mental saddle]

you got it

[tribal heath]

thank you wasnt sure if my memory was gonna fuck my run up

[signal fox]

I made a wiki page for the big mother