You’ll be burnt out after your first uplink
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
thick burrow
obtuse cedar
In 113 the ai is so buggy that even with an opened door they will go break the closed doors if someone stands in A. And they ll also go for the terminal door sonce terminal guy is there
thick burrow
You don’t need to loot 12 ammopacks for 1 uplink
12 meds and a crap ton of tool
Unless you’re a matchmaking player
elfin mantle
i think we did win with 1 from LFG
obtuse surge
well you have to do the s1 after that
thick burrow
Yeah just realised
obtuse surge
so i guess they just made sure you'd have enough for 2 fights
obtuse cedar
But people loot both zone so you have enough to shoot everything now
elfin mantle
did they change the pathing on the bridge or is that still a hel gun/rifle's wet dream?
thick burrow
did they change the pathing on the bridge or is that still a hel gun/rifle's wet...
They didn’t change the environment
Only 1 path they can take
elfin mantle
so they still dont go down the stairs to break LoS
thick burrow
So yeh, go cum on it
obtuse surge
thick burrow
oh my bad
lost holly
its when you just feel like 🗿
glacial cloak
does foaming a charger scout allow you to solo hammer it?
errant vigil
No
If you have someones else c-foam it for you, you might have time to hammer kill it
or have it walk into c-foam on the floor
otherwise you won't have enough time before it unc-foams
solemn wigeon
You can 1 shot a c-scout by using a syringe tho
atomic escarp
Shcout
fierce laurel
oya
velvet flower
You mean HSU_xxx?, it's randomized.
clear idol
i mean the number on the physical model but i figured it out
vapid moon
If you have someones else c-foam it for you, you might have time to hammer kill ...
really? Ive seen somebody solo charger scout by foaming it themselves
they put charged 4 bulbs on it and full chrarged at first, then half charged i think
mortal granite
you can re apply c foam, every extra blob will give you 1 extra second
errant vigil
Ah I’ve never tested but I thought cfoam wears off pretty quick on any enemy
I just do the fun team hammer bash
left cargo
So does the terminal exist to or for, resist or is that future content lol don’t see 1100m yet
hexed vapor
99% sure future content
queen nymph
But why 1100m specifically. Too deep that Warden can’t track you ?
jagged marten
in R4, the autopistol was the premier stagger weapon, but is there an equivalent for R5 primaries?
orchid sorrel
machinepistol is kinda like the autopistol
jagged marten
its more of a DPS thing, doesnt really stagger
orchid sorrel
it staggers pretty well, or the regular pistol. I think that staggers pretty well
errant vigil
Pistol is good stagger
mortal granite
R5 using machinepistol or autopistol?
i didn't touch it since R5
and the name of those gun are a little confusing to me
atomic escarp
R5=MP
mortal granite
MP kinda lose it stagger gimmick when R4 stagger mechanic got added in
atomic escarp
MP kinda lose it stagger gimmick when R4 stagger mechanic got added in
R4
mortal granite
thanks
merry hornet
DM me word ^tomato^
dreamy bramble
just a lot of shooting, which people struggle with
granite token
Ohhh, I see
granite scarab
Formerly broken now ez
granite token
ok
fierce laurel
OPEN_SECURITY_DOORS
vague mauve
What makes C2 overload hard?
enemy
vapid moon
C2 is only hard cause of overload, extreme is just AFK simulator, high is bouncy cfoam nade
vapid moon
C2 is excruciating long
D1 is like 3x as long
fierce laurel
I mean high
vapid moon
C2 high should only take like an hour
Well actually
That's only if you split yp
But if you dont split up then ye high is like 1-2 hours
granite token
I see thanks!
fierce laurel
well we were playing really conservatory
we had 3 trip mines ready on the last surge alarm
vapid moon
Fair
fierce laurel
double shadow scout room is fun
vapid moon
At least in extreme you get infinite ammo
granite token
Is there an error alarm on C2?
vapid moon
when you say high got nerfed do you mean it got easier or harder
Easier
fierce laurel
ah
vapid moon
It might just be me tho
fierce laurel
seems like the only change was that they removed the respawners in the generator room
obtuse cedar
Formerly broken now ez
still broken in a way where fixed ennemy spawns so the S1 scan doesn't matter anymore 😛
granite scarab
obtuse cedar
you literally have more options to defend now because of that. making it possible to funnel all of them in a straight line and camp instead of being surrounded all the time or being on the move.
once mom spawns no more enemies.
so the S1 is just a timewaster afterward
obtuse surge
does matter if you have boosters
without boosters you'll always fight the full thing but with boosters you can get rewarded essentially
thick burrow
1:30 hours is pretty long for a high ;;
wot? shouldn't take longer than 25 mins
thick burrow
High just feels very low on resources
it has a lot of ammo, it's just scattered everywhere
fierce laurel
unless you're speedrunning it 25 minutes is way too low
fierce laurel
we were taking it pretty slow but even then it should've taken about an hour or so
turbid cliff
It kinda did get nerfed
thick burrow
high didn't get touched from what i've read
turbid cliff
Are you thinking of the right c2?
thick burrow
unless you're speedrunning it 25 minutes is way too low
Not even speedrunning, just being efficient
r5?
turbid cliff
Yes
thick burrow
only overload got touched and the coocoons
thick burrow
Yeh
turbid cliff
The generator zone got all respawns removed
thick burrow
Was kinda unnecessary
turbid cliff
And i don't see how you're gonna complete the level in 25 mins in an average game
thick burrow
Maybe 30/35 mins
but an hour just sounds excessively long
If it's your first time playing it, then yeah understandable
turbid cliff
Technically gtfo isn't meant for grinding so in general you wouldn't talk about a level like you're completing it for the 10th time
thick burrow
Oh.. well then 1h sounds decent.. lul
lost holly
Technically gtfo isn't meant for grinding so in general you wouldn't talk about ...
what is the argument behind that statement?
turbid cliff
The game design?
Devs have said they expect players to just complete a rundown and go play something else until the next one
thick burrow
Devs have said they expect players to just complete a rundown and go play someth...
🗿 🗿
turbid cliff
The levels themselves rely heavily on being unknown
thick burrow
I just like the game
turbid cliff
And there is no incentive for the player to grind
lost holly
well getting better?
thick burrow
Devs have said they expect players to just complete a rundown and go play someth...
When did they make that statement?
lost holly
well with that argument you can deconstruct anything
lost holly
fair
glacial cloak
can someone give me tools recommendation for b3 ext
fierce laurel
mine
sniper sniper
bio
I'm not sure if it's sniper/sniper, auto/auto or sniper/auto
anyways just make sure you're leaving a ton of tool refill for the mines
you'll need around like 20 of them
orchid sorrel
you could also go mine/mine/sniper/C-foam or bio
fierce laurel
bio will be pretty useful in the fog
and I don't think the cfoam is too useful other than one alarm in the fog and the last mixed alarm
candid dragon
i throw in: mine sniperx3
hexed vapor
Auto can be okay for stalling hybrids a little, you'll be mostly shooting things yourselves either way and it slows down a fair bit after the charger titans.
lost holly
why would you want to stagger if you can just kill it? especially a hybrid
lost holly
what is the point of staggering a hybrid and wasting 50% tool on it
take sniper and waste 10% tool for a dead hybrid
nocturne flax
To stagger
lost holly
🛌
lost holly
why would you want to stagger a hybrid tho
calm vessel
🥸
calm vessel
why do you narrow your mind on something to toss any other way of playing out?
all i see out of you 😴
lost holly
because i question the efficiency
lost holly
sure 🙂
nocturne flax
Dum dum
lost holly
true my small brain just cant comprehend
thick burrow
Different strats
Well it's a useless strat tho
Considering how many bullets the auto will take to just stagger one singular hybrid
and ignore the rest of the wave
You're better off taking a sniper sentry as your special or tool and get rid of it
nocturne flax
Different strats for different people
Your talking efficiency there
If it works it works
🤡
Just because sniper its better doesn't mean the alternative cannot work
turbid cliff
imagine not using the NES code to unlock mapper
nocturne flax
I love burst sentry <3
hexed vapor
why would you want to stagger a hybrid tho
So that you have more time to completely ignore that room and deal w/ charger titans. Doesn't really matter how much tool you use, you'll ideally spend 90% of your tool since the main objective offers little risk as long as you have ammo.
Once charger titans are dead, hybrids aren't very threatening, but if they're reaching you early they're a huge deal.
lost holly
you only really need mines
rather us the tool on placing mines everywhere than sentry
everything else is just extra
hexed vapor
Sure, but you're gonna run out of space after a while. Might as well make the best of your other tools.
Auto is just more effective at holding up the hybrid room than anything else imo, especially if you're already using mines to clean up anything that skips the sentry.
lost holly
Sure, but you're gonna run out of space after a while. Might as well make the b...
if you run out of space you are placing the mines poorly/ inefficient
hexed vapor
Once every charger titan is dead, it's just clean-up, probably from the upper landing, and not letting the tank down you.
obtuse cedar
if you run out of space you are placing the mines poorly/ inefficient
no you can setup mines but you can actually run out of spot too place them, you can set safety nets too that will end up not being use just in case someone's aim is lacking so you don't wipe because of them. you gotta remember that it's an infinite tank alarm too so if you don't finish that S1 scan you can end up with 2-3 tanks really fast
had 4 tanks at once last night duoing that level cause we decided to hold outside that zone. was pretty spooky at time but still beat it xD
lost holly
no you can setup mines but you can actually run out of spot too place them, you ...
if all people stay upstars there are more than enough spots to mine
obtuse cedar
yeah but by being downstairs you get those collaterals for chargers
2 mines for each chargers
that goes out pretty quick
lost holly
had 4 tanks at once last night duoing that level cause we decided to hold outsid...
i dont even know what you mean with holding outside the zone
obtuse cedar
you can decide to go back to zone 51 outside of the fog for easy 1 line
that's where we hold up then we just circle the tank and went back to S1
in that timeframe we got 3 extra tanks that spawned
also the hybrid room respawns 6 spleeping hybrids
you learn a lot when you do levels the "unconventionnal way" 😛
makes you a more flexible player
obtuse cedar
No mines. Only sniper sentries for the fun of it. You can't really defend the S1 with 2 people only
lost holly
No mines. Only sniper sentries for the fun of it. You can't really defend the S1...
you can tho with mines
obtuse cedar
We did a run for fun no mines. What didn't you understand in that?
lost holly
not writing it in a single statement made it sound like you are saying "you cant defend the s1 with two people"
west crow
I use the burst sentry for the primary reason that it lasts as long as I last in bed
granite scarab
granite token
In your own opinion, what is the best difficulty to start if doing C2 PE? Extreme or Overload? Which goes first?
velvet flower
I've done C2 PE with either order, seems almost the same to me.
mortal granite
you can nuke the 2 blood door and just relax
queen nymph
Overload first if you don’t wanna fail after all the things you’ve done
Extreme first if you wanna have enough resources for the overload
mortal granite
tbh
if you want to have enough res for overload
just don't lose any hp and don't use any ammo
for the 3 cells
granite token
U mean the Giant cheeseburger technique?
queen nymph
But you should have enough resources in overload zone if you don’t make mistakes in the cell zones :/
granite token
Overload first if you don’t wanna fail after all the things you’ve done
Thanks for that
granite token
U mean the Giant cheeseburger technique?
@nocturne flax It means the cheesing overload using the giant generator rooms
queen nymph
I won’t hold back from insulting those people 🙂
nocturne flax
oh that one
granite token
oh that one
yup
granite token
just don't lose any hp and don't use any ammo
right
If you do this the intended way. What is the best method of fighting in C2 Overload? Fight them like a man and hold your ground? Or just kite and run around in circles like a chicken, barely using ammo, except on chargers/big chargers/hybrids/bosses?
queen nymph
Check out #live-streams ?
granite token
uhhh sure?
lost holly
uhhh sure?
well i can send you my duo completion if that helps
mortal granite
i can't believe, don't use any ammo and don't lose any hp at the start count as a cheese
granite token
Yeah, because you don't face the enemies
granite token
lol
queen nymph
He means don’t lose hp and ammo from alerting enemies in the cell rooms
granite token
Yeah, so you can do Overload early
But what I think what's he saying is waking up the giant rooms for Overload is cheese
mortal granite
so you can do overload early with the same amount of resources as you finished extreme
mortal granite
But what I think what's he saying is waking up the giant rooms for Overload is c...
what?
i said don't lose ammo and health
i never said that
granite token
ok
granite token
so you can do overload early with the same amount of resources as you finished e...
right ty
dapper dagger
well i can send you my duo completion if that helps
broken zinc
If you do this the intended way. What is the best method of fighting in C2 Overl...
when I tried to do it "legit" with my team by killing everything we had to melee 3 tanks cause we ran out of ammo
so hum
I'd say kiting is definitly the easiest way
mortal granite
they fixed that
broken zinc
fixed what?
mortal granite
you can "legit" beat it without kiting
broken zinc
they reduced the amount of tank spawning?
orchid sorrel
isn't it like 1 tank and 1 mother?
mortal granite
- Fixed a bug where Boss enemies would spawn at the same time
that's why you can get up to 5 tanks in the old C2 overload
broken zinc
yeah I mean it was possible but meleeing tanks is not really fun, especially 3 of them
broken zinc
No thanks
nocturne flax
its 2 tanks
broken zinc
Was 3 in that specific run
broken zinc
Its not too bad
bold widget
Yo quick question in c2 is there anything neat behind the class 6 M alarm scan?
Loreterminal wise
Or just the objective and res.
thick burrow
Yo quick question in c2 is there anything neat behind the class 6 M alarm scan?
A huge ass zone with two cells instead of one
and less resources as well
bold widget
So you always want to do the 5 scan instead of the 6 scan
Same amout of enemies (shadows and shadow giants?)
thick burrow
From what i remember correctly, it has the same amount of shadow scouts, but more giants
since the zones are largers
vague mauve
dose D1 has any change?
since the emeny from the alarm that we met has only charger and no normal one(except the first alarm)(in high part)
thick burrow
since the emeny from the alarm that we met has only charger and no normal one(ex...
The majority of the alarm spawns chargers, but small strikers get mixed in it
so it was probably just bad rng
vague mauve
maybe we was so unlucky,since after the first class 5,the class 6 and second class 5 only spawn in charger
thick burrow
You sure about the first class 5?
solemn wigeon
I swear the second class 5 is supposed to spawn hybrids
vague mauve
I swear the second class 5 is supposed to spawn hybrids
i mean the alarm of father room
thick burrow
You probably had shit rng then
vague mauve
You probably had shit rng then
maybe😢
mortal granite
second
100% charger
didn't even see a single normal enemy until we finished the scan
vague mauve
but the class 6😢
thick burrow
100% charger
🗿
I've literally had small strikers spawn in
The majority of the spawns are chargers
but not 100% from my experience
mortal granite
we have 100% charger spawn
all we saw was charger
the rest COULD be normal
but the mine kill them all
so we never know
solemn wigeon
big charger only when?
thick burrow
100% charger
Why say this then when you're unsure
vague mauve
before the sentry kill the enemy,we saw charger only
mortal granite
Why say this then when you're unsure
since the whole scan only have charger
thick burrow
since the whole scan only have charger
🗿
thick burrow
The majority of the spawns are chargers
^
solemn wigeon
Imagine sitting in GTFO-1 ;-;
obtuse surge
class 5 -> mostly smalls, chance for 0-2 hybrids per wave
class 6 -> smalls mixed with chargers (possible to get chargers only), chance for 0-2 big chargers per wave
class 5 -> smalls mixed with chargers (possible to get chargers only), chance for 0-2 big chargers per wave
BC -> mostly chargers mixed with some smalls, chance for 0-2 big chargers per wave
the zone adjacent to the 2nd class 5 has a chance for sleeping hybrids so if you didn't clear those they might show up
and reactor is shadows with 0-2 big shadows as far as im aware
but it could also be that the big shadows are an extraction/objective complete thing
or they become more frequent or something
not sure
vague mauve
thanks
granite token
when I tried to do it "legit" with my team by killing everything we had to melee...
I depends really. But wait, are you talking about the pre-nerf. I think at post-nerf, there is only 2 tanks and a ||birther||
nocturne flax
C2 overload tank 1 40% tank 2 70% mother at 95%
nocturne flax
I depends really. But wait, are you talking about the pre-nerf. I think at post-...
And it wasnt really a nerf it was mostly a fix than anything lel
quiet hound
just type the command in twice that fixes it
granite token
And it wasnt really a nerf it was mostly a fix than anything lel
😄
obtuse surge
the spawns are time based
quaint yarrow
R5 extension when? 
west crow
why don't you extend it yourself
vapid moon
why don't you extend yourself
coarse echo
Hopefully they bring the really fun gun called the burst cannon
forest horizon
never heard of it, sure you aren't imagining things?
coarse echo
OK TBH don't you miss just shooting every room awake with a burst cannon
fierce laurel
never heard of it, sure you aren't imagining things?
is that some kind of modded thing?
forest horizon
is that some kind of modded thing?
not sure what you mean
fierce laurel
the burst cannon
forest horizon
bc was never real
fierce laurel
ah
forest horizon
Its all an illusion
fierce laurel
understood
fierce laurel
burst cannon but it's cancelled
bold widget
i mean you kinda already do less dmg by canceling :p
queen field
😔
nocturne flax
I just hope for the love of god to not bring those two guns ever
bold widget
burst cannon is fire
coarse echo
Ok who is this guy talking smack about the burst cannon
atomic escarp
I mean the gun is bad in my opinion, it wasn't used for its intended purpose. 9/10 people used the burst cancel which ruined the weapon.
queen field
9/10 is a bit too much tho
atomic escarp
Mainly everyone I know who used it did the burst cancel so that's just from my POV
queen field
iirc Doc mentioned the R4 stats in which burst cannon wasn't even the most used sec weapon
atomic escarp
Correct it wasn't used that much at all but I'm saying the ones that did use it, I should've been clear on that
coarse echo
Kerse is r5 fun for you
atomic escarp
Yes it is
bold widget
I take it you liked r4 more robert ;p
fierce laurel
R4 is the best rundown
coarse echo
Dude r4 with ext was epic
atomic escarp
I'm not saying R4 was bad cause of the BC. I thought R4 was alright definitely up there.
coarse echo
No one associated your statement with you saying r4 was bad
fierce laurel
burst cannon is my baby
nocturne flax
R4 was bad 
fierce laurel
the HEL rifle is my replacement but I still cry every time
coarse echo
I cry every day about it
bold widget
I just want my hel revolver back and i will already be happy :c
bold widget
fierce laurel
I didn't like the sound ;;;
coarse echo
Anyway if the ext came with burst cannon I'll be happier about the game as it allows for players to wake up every room and not give a shit
fierce laurel
doesn't that go against the point of GTFO
coarse echo
It's an fps I shoot gun to kill ENEMY
bold widget
So does boosters, i really dont like the fact we have boosters but that's my opinion we already have layered difficulties
vapid moon
Gtfo isn't strictly an fps kekw
coarse echo
????? Ok
fierce laurel
*an
fierce laurel
:3
thick burrow
amogus backwards*
saggytits
vapid moon
No
thick burrow
😿
fierce laurel
partial points
thick burrow
based
obtuse surge
candice
thick burrow
candice who?
obtuse surge
CANDICE NUTS
vapid moon
You ruined jt
dapper dagger
phineas and ferb
thick burrow
😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹
thick burrow
candice nuts fit in JOE MAMA
fierce laurel
I'm so disappointed
nocturne flax
Burst canon and hel revo killed gun variety and made it mandatory in most toxic pubs
thick burrow
Burst canon and hel revo killed gun variety and made it mandatory in most toxic ...
not now
fierce laurel
what is this gun variety you speak of
nocturne flax
Dn
obtuse surge
it's like sentries
vapid moon
BC made me sad
fierce laurel
I only understand DMR Sniper
bold widget
dapper dagger
bc made my pp big
obtuse surge
only bring sentry or i wont ready up
obtuse surge
thick burrow
only bring sentry or i wont ready up
but are you bringing dn..............
nocturne flax
put dn in my mouth then
Owo
vapid moon
WTF IS DN
bold widget
Take bio or gtfo
nocturne flax
That do be kinda hot
nocturne flax
Yall making me act up
coarse echo
This is so cringe guys stop
nocturne flax
Ok Robert
vapid moon
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ NUTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I'm going to kms
thick burrow
Ok Robert
obtuse surge
sawcon @coarse echo
nocturne flax
Ok Roberto
fierce laurel
I'm going to kms
HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW LMAO
vapid moon
This is so cringe guys stop
Nobody likes you
dapper dagger
I like him
vapid moon
HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW LMAO
Cause I live under a rock duh
vapid moon
I like him
Then be outcast
thick burrow
Cause I live under a rock duh
do you know joe tho
vapid moon
do you know joe tho
We dont say that name here
dapper dagger
Then be outcast
who?
bold widget
What would simon think to all of ya
thick burrow
idk he can gobble on dn
vapid moon
Idk simon seems like me
obtuse surge
global throb
bold widget
Don't ping him or you will hear a mother scream
obtuse surge
wet scout
vapid moon
What if I ping him
bold widget
Threat level overload
thick burrow
What if I ping him
idk joe might intervene
dapper dagger
na bro joe died of ligma
coarse echo
It's hard to believe that these are functioning human beings parroting 6th grader jokes wtf
thick burrow
Ok robert go kite 5 hours
bold widget
thick burrow
😼
vapid moon
It's kinda weird that people's personalities are being judged in 2021
thick burrow
dw it's just Robert
dapper dagger
No one judges me, for I am based
thick burrow
get ratioed
dapper dagger
Robert certified cringe
thick burrow
Robert kiter confirmed
vapid moon
No one judges me, for I am based
Your pfp looks like albet einstein if he stayed inside for 24 hours a day
thick burrow
that's joe
dapper dagger
That's why I'm based
vapid moon
RIP
vapid moon
That's why I'm based
Carbon cringe lifeform
thick burrow
baka
dapper dagger
sussy baka or bussy saka
thick burrow
DEEZ NUTS BAKA
dapper dagger
thick burrow
u wanna be my little kawai baka
dapper dagger
sure
thick burrow
cool turn around
🍴 🍞 😫 😩 👍 💩 😫 😫
sacred nebula
Hey let’s keep this in topic please. 🙂
dapper dagger
woah guys, D1 has a pMother!?!?!
nocturne flax
Wowzera
thick burrow
woah guys, D1 has a pMother!?!?!
What the helL??
dapper dagger
You've been too busy playing A2, you'll never make it to D1
thick burrow
idk i'll use in game matchmake
dapper dagger
POG
thick burrow
gonna do that rn
dapper dagger
D1 mm be like: no bio
feral token
there are enough people matchmaking D1 to find a game?
vapid moon
maybe\
thick burrow
there are enough people matchmaking D1 to find a game?
joe
dapper dagger
I got one the other day
feral token
how did that go
thick burrow
b ..;;bbl;;Uuuutt did you k.;kite????????????
dapper dagger
Is that you witchblade?
pliant shard
🪁 
thick burrow
🗿
dapper dagger
Hel gun
pliant shard
OPEN UP
thick burrow
OPEN UP DEM BUTTCHEEEEEKS
lost holly
Is that you witchblade?
sorry but where did you spend your other 10 second writing the message? come on write faster pls
dapper dagger
Sorry bro I cant type a whole paragraph in seconds like you:
Idk how using movement is considered cheese. Are the brains of some people just that slow that they have to stand still and can only press m1 and wiggle their mouse around? Imagine this idiotic mindset in any other game. Probably the same people that think you have to play by their ruleset or you are honorless or whatever filler word to make you look like an ass so that they can feel better about themselfs
nocturne flax
Damn
cursive bobcat
lost holly
too late now
west crow
I can't move because the shooter got me acting strange 😩 😩 😩
Other hand is always busy 😏 😏
Burst cannon gave some people ptsd
You mention the words and blackdragon gets a panic attack and has to hold on to his burst sentry to ground himself
hexed vapor
Damage values are datamined to maximize precision, otherwise I just use whatever ereggia was able to find.
Main Striker Kills per Ammo use R5:
Heavy SMG: 10
Pistol: 10
Double-Tap Rifle: 9.6
SMG: 8.65
DMR: 8.2
Machine Pistol: 8.18
Assault Rifle: 8.03
Burst Rifle: 7.9
Main Damage per Ammo use R5 (FF):
Pistol: 263.4
DMR: 246.328
Assault Rifle: 245.875
Heavy SMG: 241.2
Machine Pistol: 225.768
Double-Tap Rifle: 211.584
Burst Rifle: 209.508
SMG: 200.68
Pistol, DMR, Assault Rifle, and Heavy SMG appear to be the most efficient damaging main weapons this rundown, while Heavy SMG and Pistol are just the most efficient weapons in general. This also makes DMR and AR very strong when considering their other strengths.
nocturne flax
Kiss me rayalot
pulsar zodiac
😳
hexed vapor
Special Striker Kills per Ammo use R5:
Machinegun: 20
Combat Shotgun: 18
Revolver: 18.5
HEL Gun: 13.67
HEL Rifle: 9
Shotgun: 8.33
Sniper: 3.33
Special Damage per Ammo use R5 (FF):
Combat Shotgun: 542.16
HEL Rifle: 540.18
Shotgun: 500.167
Machinegun: 469.2
Revolver: 451.77
HEL Gun: 444.167
Sniper: 200.067 (534.178 w/ precision)
Not sure why people are saying the new Arbalist is bad, it appears to be incredibly efficient for horde clear with a huge mag and decent range.
HEL weapons are extremely strong now as damage dealers, even w/out penetration, but you still need penetration to give them reasonable kill efficiency.
Revolver is lacking a bit due to its very small clip, but since it can two-shot strikers to the body consistently it's arguably very forgiving compared to its competitors.
Shotgun arguably lacks purpose in this rundown, it's outperformed by a lot of weapons w/ more strengths going for them and the nerfs to its RoF in R4 have gutted its kill pace, arguably its primary strength.
west crow
How do you do your calculations? Am I assuming wrong that since the sniper only does 30 damage and only gets 3 shots per refill, its cap is 90 damage per ammo use?
hexed vapor
Using FF numbers because I prefer those.
Those are double the actual values. Since players have 25 health they should take 4% health per damage dealt by weapons, but there seems to be some sort of 1/2 damage reduction from friendly fire resulting in players taking 2% health per damage dealt by weapons. % health is just stated as a value, and is the friendly-fire number for damage.
Just halve all of the values if you want the in-code values.
west crow
Gotcha
hexed vapor
Also, sniper can receive 3 or 4 shots from an ammo use, I just use the wiki's values for how much ammo you have on the refill prior to maxing out and divide that by the number of refills used to get that. Very accurate for main weapons, but fair bit more imprecise on special weapons just because you have less space.
Might check to see if I can determine that from datablocks, actually...
Actually, probably easier to just get up to 5 ammo uses in-game for Revolver, HEL Gun, Shotgun, and Sniper.
fierce laurel
I think shotguns are good for levels where HEL weapons don't have enough ammo (in a mag) to stop a horde
kind of a like a fail safe weapon
like B1 if you have 2 4 big chargers running at you you're gonna have to reload sooner or later
shotguns can help you ensure you'll stagger if they get too close
hexed vapor
I guess the first-shot stagger is a selling point, but I feel like you could get away w/ something like MG instead.
obtuse surge
discredit the mg because it the hardest one to actually hit the numbers you provided
unlikely to get proper hits without burst firing
and burst firing is pretty shit when you're using a charge up weapon
velvet flower
Shotgun is versatile and easy-to-use, combat shotgun requires point-blank distance while pump shotgun has decent range.
turbid cliff
out of mains hsmg is the one that'll stray most from numbers
its falloff is horrible
possibly worse than pistol
obtuse surge
efficiency vs chargers is also pretty important for this rundown
because they're pretty much everywhere
velvet flower
Revolver is probably the only special that lacks shining point this rundown.
hexed vapor
Revolver has never had a shining point, frankly, it's always been its own thing.
I think the R4 changes are really the best you can hope for in terms of making it popular.
velvet flower
It was the most efficient regular striker special.
obtuse surge
was it?
velvet flower
But now there's Hel gun also 2 body shots a striker and with bigger magazine
hexed vapor
Arguably HEL Gun and Revolver are in the worst spots, but neither is exactly "bad," just very niche.
velvet flower
Agree, but I kind like that this rundown I'm happy to switch between different specials.
turbid cliff
revolver bad? wat
R4 revolver was one of 2 main choices basically
now
it's just balanced
its damage and efficiency are fine
hexed vapor
I'd argue shotgun is in a similar spot where it's a lot more niche now than it used to be.
I agree.
queen field
is it though ?
obtuse surge
yes
not being able to do shit when being stormed from multiple directions is a big change
it's why the combat shotgun is so powerful
big mag with high fire rate
oneshot potential
shotgun misses the fire rate
velvet flower
Shotgun still kill boss very fast, only slower than sniper.
queen field
I find shotgun more popular (not popular enough tho) than R4 tbh
obtuse surge
all you get in return is range
queen field
People were relying on BC, Rev & Choke more
obtuse surge
i'd only value the shotgun above combat shotgun for chargers
thick burrow
I find shotgun more popular (not popular enough tho) than R4 tbh
Well, that’s obvious when the option is limited
queen field
🤷♂️
velvet flower
Yeah, but like you mentioned, charger is a huge issue this rundown.
velvet flower
Primary weapons don't have that much diversity, as always.
thick burrow
Yeah, but like you mentioned, charger is a huge issue this rundown.
I wouldn’t word it a “huge issue”
They’re manageable
queen field
Wait till they add akimbo revolvers
thick burrow
A pain in the ass, but manageable if you know how to land your shots
obtuse surge
They're an indirect nerf to weapons that rely on precision
the hel rifle being the best option for chargers its so fucking weird
doesn't seem like what it should be used for
thick burrow
the hel rifle being the best option for chargers its so fucking weird
If you take into account main weapons than pistol + combat shotgun is also great against them
queen field
My man running slow-mode when it comes to reload his hel rifle
obtuse surge
combat shotgun requires close range and no missed pellets to 2shot
missing just a tiny bit of damage it becomes a 3 shot
hexed vapor
Shotgun: 8 / 9 / 8 / 8 / 8 | 8.2
Revolver: 18 / 19 / 18 / 19 / 18 | 18.4
HEL Gun: 13 / 14 / 14 / 14 / 14 | 13.8
Sniper: 3 / 4 / 3 / 4 / 4 | 3.6
obtuse surge
massively impacting efficiency
queen field
what are these stats ?
thick burrow
The high magazine allows you to just go brrrr and still land a few shots with killing potential
velvet flower
ammo gained per pack
queen field
oh ok
obtuse surge
the chargers queue up outside of your 2 shot range
combat shotgun is pretty shit against them compared to your other options
hexed vapor
is it though ?
Consider that in R1, pump shotgun is even less efficient but still used because of its very good fire-rate that gave you 6 quick guarenteed kills in a pinch and a very fast titan kill. Now, it's very easy to get overwhelmed despite having a larger magazine and more ammo to work with. Generally, R2 shotgun was by far the strongest shotgun has ever been (and it was kind of busted back then).
Got more accurate special weapon ammo values (average of 5 ammo uses).
Special Striker Kills per Ammo use R5:
Machinegun: 20
Revolver: 18.4
Combat Shotgun: 18
HEL Gun: 13.8
HEL Rifle: 9
Shotgun: 8.2
Sniper: 3.6
Special Damage per Ammo use R5 (FF):
Combat Shotgun: 542.16
HEL Rifle: 540
Shotgun: 492
Machinegun: 469.2
Revolver: 449.328
HEL Gun: 448.5
Sniper: 216 (576.72 w/ precision)
quiet stone
He'S DaTa MiNiNG! GeT HiM!
hexed vapor
doesn't seem like what it should be used for
It's just a symptom of HEL Rifle not relying on crits to deal its damage, not relying on crits just makes it better suited to make use of penetration. HEL Gun struggles because you either go for an accurate shot and spend 1 bullet for 1 kill, or you go for penetration and spend 2 bullets for 2 or more kills. Making use of penetration isn't very rewarding.
Considering hitting two targets gets HEL Gun 13.8 kills and HEL Rifle 18 kills, HEL Rifle is definitely due for a nerf (even if HEL Gun needs a buff, HEL Rifle is busted).
Only saving grace I can think of for HEL Gun is that getting a kill on a striker will sometimes weaken an enemy behind it to finish w/ a main weapon.
Tough to balance it around strikers, though, w/out chargers both HEL weapons don't feel very good outside of incredibly predictable fights (like reactors).
You probably just have to assume they'll be used for chargers (or bigs) and balance them to compete w/ each other for that.
nocturne flax
Funnel modafucka
west crow
Saving grace of the hel gun is its almost non-existant shot delay, so you can macro mag dump insane amounts of dps into anything you like
I mean revolver has it too
But whatever
nocturne flax
Its.......fun
atomic escarp
Comfort I guess, that's what I would think
nocturne flax
Have you ever tried to click as fast as you can to see how fast you can shoot
Same thing really
pliant shard
Bet you can’t left booty cheek with the HEL gun
Only the revo has the left booty cheek technique potential
pliant shard
😩
nocturne flax
vapid moon
why would you macro in a purely pve game?
because you can. no reason to not use macros.
vapid moon
why would you macro in a purely pve game?
and who says its only pve
fierce laurel
or just click fast
fierce laurel
and who says its ***only*** pve
ah yes friendly fire simulator
thick burrow
Have you ever tried to click as fast as you can to see how fast you can shoot
idk just play osu
nocturne flax
idk just play osu
but theres no sleepers on osu!
thick burrow
but theres no sleepers on osu!
there's dn tho........
paper beacon
there's dn tho........
is dn in apex?
fierce laurel
dn is in his mouth
wraith river
.t sector
jaunty hedgeBOT
Sorry, unable to find a tag named sector.
thick burrow
dn is in his mouth
Damn 😞
fierce laurel
gottem
granite token
Do you have to abandon the fog turbine after you finished D1 Extreme?
sick hornet
nocturne flax
Hes saying that after your done with extreme you keep it until you finish the reactor
then you drop it to go to extraction
obtuse surge
Done both and I don't know if I would recommend dropping it
if you guys are below 40% health you'll get down to 1% on your way to extraction
one thing goes wrong and you're dead
the waves are pretty easy to deal with if you have your whole team
manic escarp
any group willing to teach a noobie a bit? ;D
obtuse surge
I'd probably recommend bringing it if you're doing good on ammo while leaving it if you're doing good on health
fierce laurel
pick up the sleeper and bring them with you
fierce laurel
r4d2 style
glacial cloak
can anyone spoil for me why i'm being told to bring 20 something mines for b3?
velvet flower
For almost 10 big chargers in extreme.
glacial cloak
are they behind a door?
velvet flower
Yes
halcyon void
anyone know a good strategy for the terminal uplink in zone 113 for C1? Everytime I've tried to manipulate enemy pathing they split up and break all the doors
queen nymph
It will only get worse if you manipulate spawn. Just don't :/
velvet flower
If you'd like them to spawn in D, just make sure area AB has one of your team occupied.
lapis raptor
anyone know a good strategy for the terminal uplink in zone 113 for C1? Everytim...
can give u three strats. first two will block the respawn room, third won't, but might be easier to defend depends on players.
- block spawn A, B, force them to spawn in D, player in B stand on the upstair door that connects to C, one defending upstair in C. Using this will have 75% enemies focus player defending in C, 20% on the guy in B, 0-10% to the terminal guy. (could use a sentry down the ladder)
- block spawn A, B, force them to spawn in D, player in B stand on the upstair door that connects to C, one defending down the ladder in C. It will take more ammo than the first strat, but easier.
- block spawn B, D, force them to spawn in A, player in B stand near the middle door that connects A and B, player defending in C look into A through the small door that connects A and C, using this method, 50%-70% of enemies will rush to player defending in C while the rest will go to the player in B (the amount of split depends on how willing the player in B decides to fight/force aggro). Make sure to close all the doors of B besides the one that the player in B is facing. This is the easiest strat in my opinion but the respawn room will respawn.
(not going to mention other cheesing methods)
in my view 113 makes c1 officially harder than d1ex, as in d1 you can easily carry the whole team by defending most of the alarm door/clear waves urself, while for c1 113, u need to have at least 3 of the 4 players active and performing ok ish. (not to mention that c tier is easier to be unlocked compare to d tier)
thick burrow
can give u three strats. first two will block the respawn room, third won't, but...
you can't block spawn anymore 🗿
lapis raptor
you can't block spawn anymore 🗿
still can for the first respawn room in c1. but not for the second respawn room
thick burrow
There's no reason to spawn block though
lapis raptor
There's no reason to spawn block though
depends on players. some players will choose to fight 113 first before doing the second s1, thus blocking it will be time saving as you don't need to clear the room again for the second s1. UNLESS you are not clearing the respawn room at all in the first place, which then the room won't aggro when u do the second S1, but that also makes the silent scan of 112/113 tedious and time consuming
obtuse surge
still can for both
timer isn't related to any other conditions
the way it works it basically just means it's rng whether you'll pull it off or not unless you full on know the timing
granite token
I'd probably recommend bringing it if you're doing good on ammo while leaving it...
thanks!
obtuse cedar
the timer in C1 is weird. from what i could see as long as someone stay in hub room timer won't go down ever. so the moment you do the terminal teamscan and go back in A you should have just enough timer to stop spawn always. the timer doesn't reset for some weird reason once it reached 0 (being the enemies respawns), then it'll never go back up to it's max... meaning that enemies instantly respawn in the hub room the moment the team gets 2 room away from it
so you only have one shot at spawn blocking the hub room
obtuse cedar
unless they touched the timer. the timer should be 30 sec
forest horizon
I know for sure its 10 seconds cause I timed it
Well, maybe
Unless there is something else going on
obtuse cedar
maybe it goes down in 1 room away just not respawning
since you technically left the zone
forest horizon
Maybe?
obtuse cedar
but pre patch it was definitly 30 sec from what i tested
obtuse cedar
i just tested it with a sniper sentry by leaving it to shoot the moment they respawn and factering the 4 sec timer on the sentry
forest horizon
After patch?
obtuse cedar
pre patch. that's how i tested
pliant shard
The timer isn’t a true timer that counts down after you are 2 rooms away. It’s more of a “check if the a) room has enemies missing and b) has 30 seconds passed (or whatever the timer is set to)
So if you are 2 rooms away and the timer happens to be around 20/30s then it will feel like 10 seconds
velvet flower
I think the timer is different for each respawn room, for example, the two respawn rooms in C1 are quite different, you can easily block the first room but not the second one. I think in A1 it takes 30 seconds to respawn, but the first respawn room in D1 extreme only takes 3 seconds.
obtuse surge
it's rng whether you'll pull it off or not unless you full on know the timing
timer isn't related to the conditions
on your average attempt you're leaving the respawn room at halfway the timer
if you understand how statistics work , you're literally ranging from an instant respawn to the full timer before the respawn
it doesn't matter how high they put the respawn timer
you can still get an instant respawn upon meeting conditions
because, the conditions, are not related to the timer
It's pretty simple to prove that by using the simple inconsistency where sometimes you can meet conditions for way longer than the other time
(for the same room)
mellow creek
damn..........
for some reason mods are actually more intersting than the actual game now lol
regal thicket
Based
turbid cliff
Modders have much more freedom and fewer responsibilities than devs
They can't just go "let's add laugh tracks every time someone gets hit by melee"
mellow creek
no
i mean literally it has much more enemies and its made in such a short time lol
we waited 5 months for nothing new except for a reskin scout lol
oh and respawn
west crow
The developers have to play it very safe since they can't actively develop things during* their vacation time
Also I wouldn't say the modders do anything entirely new enemy wise regardless. With how limited they are themselves, most things that are released are just variants or reskins of a similar enemy
That's not to say that they don't create original things, it's just that what is usually featured is through that similar premise
nocturne flax
Also I wouldn't say the modders do anything entirely new enemy wise regardless. ...
fatal be like animal planet with all the variants kekw
west crow
I feel like I took the politicians answer route when I could have just said "welcome to any videogame ever"
nocturne flax
Ill vote for you
west crow
biotracker needs a timer decrease to compensate how inconsistent pings can be, especially as client
you can NOT change my mind
that or give it the mine deployer treatment
vapid moon
just horribly coded
Aka bugged
fierce laurel
fair
solemn wigeon
Yooooo secret shotgun sentry only found and accessible as a bonus tool in D1 overload? Let's go
fierce laurel
spitter sentry when
bold widget
aaaaaah need to properly learn how to kill a mother solo
solemn wigeon
Wrong, just don't kill a mother
heavy wave
use doors
as soon as she bash it, c foam then blast
then after 6 shots, cloose door again
then blast once more after reloading
that would be my strat
fallen surge
whats the trick to navigating the fog in B3?
mortal granite
which fog
fallen surge
behind the blood door to get the key to unlock the unsealer room
mortal granite
you need fog turbine
fallen surge
are you supposed to keep someone up top to keep the chargers from killing the team while they look for the key?
queen nymph
You can do anything you want tbh. But indeed having one person with a HEL rifle to stay up is a better strategy
velvet flower
Until the chargers spawn on the face (not always but it could happen for sure), not a fan of the strategy to separate your team although it's the most common strat.
You can also consider just go in with all 4, someone set the 3 minute timer so you know whether you have time to engage to the next room. Or you can send someone down to pull all the sleepers inside.
tribal cosmos
Although, I think shotgun sentry needs a buff
in r2 it was a common strat to put two shotgun sentry while doing any scan because they will kill them all. they fixed it in r3, apparently it was a 'bug' that the shotgun sentry dealt 4 times the damage it should've done, then its the story everyone knew about
mortal granite
in r2 it was a common strat to put two shotgun sentry while doing any scan becau...
shotgun sentry damage bugged for the more people you have in your team
1 people = normal SS damage
4 peoples = x4 damage
it basically kill giant with 1 shot in the back
you can say it dealt more damage then the current sniper sentry
turbid cliff
So they can kill you running through fog with 1 hp
solemn wigeon
Yes
fierce laurel
yes
tribal cosmos
spitters were already improved on both spawns and counter plays.
r2d1 was basically a mission around this type of enemy
easily 3-4 hours mission
navigating with in fog blindly while spitter is everywhere in the tunnel
you should see those old replays and be glad that it's not a thing anymore
'or is it?'
mortal granite
the reason why i like those level is because
it made player more concern and play more safe rather than
haha 1% hp go brrrrrrrrrrr
turbid cliff
easily 3-4 hours mission
on first attempt perhaps
shy vessel
R2D1 always pissed me off because in R2B4 we retrieved a FRT, why don't we get that FRT on R2D1
atomic escarp
Gaempley
nocturne flax
If we had turbine on r2d1 it woulds been a c tier at best really
But thebfact they force us to walk trough fog was kinda horrible and iconic at the same time
queen field
epic
west crow
Nostalgia baiting rundown 2 again 😡
hasty moth
whats the trick to navigating the fog in B3?
What worked for my friends is the "2 in 2 out" strategy. 2 people stay top in a line formation to kill the chargers if they spawn top side. 2 go down, one with the turbine, one as insurance for stealth kills. The goal is to find the terminal. Once found the insurance stays at the terminal and uses ping key_XXX -T and eats infection, turbine guy goes to get the key then comes back
obtuse surge
can you not just remember the general direction
west crow
Just have everyone go together
sacred slate
funny thing: if you have boosters that combined have at least 100% infection resistance, you'll be immune to infection entirely.
just do that
obtuse surge
don't skip the bio tracker so you can shoot them before they get in turbine range 
turbid cliff
not immune to the headache it causes
hasty moth
can you not just remember the general direction
Yeah you could do that, and die about 5-6 times to force memorize the layout. But that's more brute forcing than a strategy.
obtuse surge
no i mean
the ping
just remember where the ping was
and go to it
with a large team
4 pairs of eyes
west crow
If you need to die 6 times to memorize three room layouts idk
hasty moth
But now you have to deal with 1-2 charger spawns in the fog + the added risk of the stealth getting screwed up because of 4 pairs of legs.
fierce laurel
scoot
sacred slate
gun go brrrrrr
obtuse surge
there's also nothing that forces them to spawn up?
west crow
Or one, in your example, because one is needlessly tanking infection
obtuse surge
if you split 2/2 chance is still pretty heavy to get a spawn down there
hollow socket
You can also do that : If the biotracker see too many sleepers in the next room, just pull it and put a mine on it. Don't play stealth if it's too risky 😉
hasty moth
Yeah but you have 4 players to deal with it
3, one has the turbine and if he dies you chances of living drops incredibly fast. Especially if you are first or second timing the zone. Unless you have a bio-ping then I think it'd be about the same
obtuse surge
well if you count the turbine
you literally have 0 people after the split up at terminal
??????
west crow
The turbine guy can't drop his turbine apparently
obtuse surge
it's very likely that one of you has repellers which can be used to allow the full team to fight in a sticky situation
west crow
You can drop fog repellers you know
- there are areas without fog you can just defend at
obtuse surge
splitting on error alarms just doesn't make sense unless the zone you're entering is a 1-2 room zone
fierce laurel
just go speedrun mode and no fog turbine
west crow
I'm sorry brother, B3 is not the level where the players split up
obtuse surge
where was it
queen field
tf
west crow
R3a3
hasty moth
I've had decent success with it, but eventually one of my friends has done it enough to know the layout. So he just goes in by himself to get the key and the 3 of us hang out by the door. Generally works.
Now B2 overload is a weird one. Can't exactly apply the same approach there
west crow
Alright, but you're recommending a strat that requires some element of experience to a player who is struggling with traversing fog
Not saying your strat doesn't work, there's just safer strats, especially for newer players
hasty moth
Yeah, I'm recommending what worked when we were at the same stage.
fierce laurel
it's so good that you should always bring 4 of them
pulsar pawn
For my friends and I we started off splitting 2/2 but it was a lot easier the third time around when we just went as 4 down past the blood door and fought waves with 3
Also yes definitely pull rooms with mines it’ll save you both time and ammo
hasty moth
it's so good that you should always bring 4 of them
4 bios makes overload mode God mode. And I am a filthy noob since I haven't beaten the game on god mode yet 😓
bleak canopy
I have a question for R5B1. After you do the high objective, completing the bioscan for the HSU, what happens if you decide to open the other zone with an error alarm? Is there a way to shut that one off or do you pretty much have to deal with 2 Big chargers spawning for the rest of the level?
solemn wigeon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I wouldn't recommend it unless you are planning to leave effectively afterwards, don't pull it if you still plan to do extreme or overload
bleak canopy
Yeah, I have beaten PE on it a few times already and I like exploring the entire map to find every resource, artifact, box, and tool while also killing every enemy. However, I never tried opening the wrong error alarm zone. I guess if I were to test it out I would wait until the very end of the level to do it. Normally by the end of the level my crew has an absurd amount of ammo to burn so clearing out a single zone with the two big chargers shouldn't be too much of a hassle even with moving slow with fog turbine.
queen field
You can't shut it off since there is no HSU to do so
bleak canopy
I expected that. I doubt there is a hidden HSU inside of there to do a bioscan to shut it off.
fierce laurel
I have a question for R5B1. After you do the high objective, completing the bios...
it will stay till extraction
whoops
sorry for late reply
wow that was very late
my bad
thick burrow
sorry for late reply
not forgiven
fierce laurel
fight me scrub
solemn wigeon
no
fierce laurel
hi friend
solemn wigeon
:(
pliant shard
fight me scrub
For replying so late you must succumb to the DN. I have a current offer for a DN with a but one get one free special
thick burrow
For replying so late you must succumb to the DN. I have a current offer for a DN...
Hamood backwards is still hamood
pliant shard
Hamood backwards is still hamood
You right. What about stunseed?
thick burrow
You right. What about stunseed?
sunseed?
dry dock
I have been baited.
dry dock
You right. What about stunseed?
bark bark
pliant shard
round mica
how many sleepers respawn in C1? is it all of them or like around 50%
atomic escarp
All of them
candid dragon
Likely all, as usual.
dreamy bramble
not 100%
as per patch notes:
- Slightly lowered % of enemies that are re-spawned
not certain of the percentage since i haven't played since the nerf, but it's around ~75-60% from what I've heard
round mica
aight thanks
west crow
Hybrids are less punishing than big strikers, imo
signal wharf
Ye C1 got harder not easier if I'd say so
velvet flower
Strictly speaking, C1 has no extraction wave.
mortal granite
error alarm at the end of uplink isn't count as extraction wave?
velvet flower
idk, I personally treat them differently
solemn wigeon
It's not technically the extraction which triggers the wave
queen nymph
I think they do have one wave of hybrids right? Then there’s nothing
fallen badger
dumb question
how do you drop a resource kit
into a locker
seen the speed runners do it
and i'm either being incredibly dense or don't know what key it is
orchid sorrel
there has to be another pack in the locker in order to swap them
fallen badger
i watched a vid of some people doing b3 duo extreme
and they were able to place kit in the lockers
not have to swap
orchid sorrel
they were probably using a mod
obtuse surge
0-4 hybrids on C2 scout waves? 
hollow socket
yes
steep lake
0-4 hybrids on C2 scout waves? <:wtf:449518255632285696>
i've had 6 before haha
errant vigil
0-3 bigs on scouts waves 
clear idol
Does D1 reactor shutdown spawn shadow giants or is it only extract that does?
errant vigil
Reactor shutdown is treated like an alarm but with shadows
you have the possibility to get bigs but don't always do
clear idol
ty
pliant shard
I believe that once you finish reactor shutdown sequence you get a big error alarm on top of the shadows
tame topaz
so when does the warden drop new missions?
atomic escarp
When he feels like it
nocturne flax
True based right there
hard horizon
I cant even beat C2 with my team. Surge alarm beats our ammo
calm vessel
Have you tried playing it the intended way and only using melee smh
hard horizon
yes we did but our team
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Using guns in a section it would make sense?
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Oh, yea hope it goes well
Usually we just rush with hammers and kill as many before they all wake up
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Yall do 1 by 1 hammer?
each door?
After finishing first surge. I thought it was the last door
but wtf it has 2 surge
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Kite
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pliant shard
Shameless plug but watch fire blade c2 speedrun video he posted in #gtfo-speed-running
Shows some setup you can do (obviously all the setup is rushed since it’s a speedrun) but basics apply
We had little to no ammo at the end but still doable with some setup