gtfo-spoiler-chat

[mortal granite]

why would they patch that?

it's game mechanic

[robust marsh]

i Don't think they can patch that khan

[hoary garden]

remove spawn cap

[robust marsh]

ez ez

[mortal granite]

why remove spawn cap

when mother don't do that

[knotty sphinx]

Imagine the amount of times your game would crash just doing a legit run

xD

Over that

[mortal granite]

your game is not gonna crash

[dreamy bramble]

surge alarm without enemy cap

[knotty sphinx]

Not everybodys PC can handle a high amount of enemies on a map

[mortal granite]

don't be overreacting Barghest

[still geyser]

xD

[solemn wigeon]

The game can't handle a high amount

[robust marsh]

cod zombie long wave players: Bet

[mortal granite]

ya not gonna crash

don't worry about it

it's just enemy gonna run at 3 fps

player still running at 30fps

enemy running at 3 fps and start teleporting

[robust marsh]

im going to be laughing if enemy cap was removed and alpha just crashed insta after 50 enemys

[knotty sphinx]

The game has crashed for less 😉

[robust marsh]

please god can we do that?

[still geyser]

ok now I am a bit confused, isn't it, that if you trigger 5 scouts, you get 5 waves of enemies now?

[mortal granite]

i didn't tho, i got at least 80 enemies on screen before

pacifist D2 high run

enemy ignore me and start side-stepping, looking at wall and shit

go and high five a giant

[robust marsh]

welp thats sad

[dreamy bramble]

it queues the scout waves, as it always has

it won't spawn more than the cap at any given point

[robust marsh]

aprill fools joke : remove enemy cap and make everyscout spawn 80 enemy

[knotty sphinx]

You all know we're going to get an april fools rundown timer

🤣

[robust marsh]

yes someday

[dreamy bramble]

wdym someday

look at the calendar

it's upon us

[hoary garden]

it's just one level

r5z1

and the elevator breaks

and kills everyone on it

[still geyser]

nice

[sterile isle]

hang on, what does S1 stand for?

[turbid cliff]

now i know this is spoiler chat but i think it'll be more fun if you try it without knowing

unless you're asking for the abbreviation meaning

[sterile isle]

nah not asking the latter, but oh well time to earn my rights to E1 😂

[brazen lava]

Dont think it has a meaning. Mechanically its an extended alarm where you need to stand your ground or the bioscan reverses

Iirc

Shitstorm 1. Because thats what'll it be if your not ready

[nocturne flax]

Sustain scan

[brazen lava]

I hope we get more common enemies at some point. It'll be weird if we get enough bosses for every expedition to have its own boss with no repeats. But still bonking the same striker/shooter variants

[nocturne flax]

Nah

new enemies pls

we getting that in r5

hell yeah

ii dont wanna see striker but only melee

its poopy

they have a decent enemy variants

they just need to use them smartly

[brazen lava]

Oh i know, i just hope its a new creative enemy you'll encounter over levels. And not just another boss

[nocturne flax]

tank its cool as hell

it actually requires teamwok, same as mother

the two of them are a nice adition to the game

i dunno man im happy with another boss enemy

[brazen lava]

We got striker/shooter
Big striker/shooter
Shadow striker/shooter
Feely big shooter
Pimples

Catch my drift?

[nocturne flax]

we already have enough variantions

we had 4 rundowns worth of them

were good

[brazen lava]

Yeah variants of the same two enemies weve had from rundown 1

[nocturne flax]

I dont wanna wait another rundown for a variation

[brazen lava]

I want something new

[nocturne flax]

were getting that

[brazen lava]

That isnt a striker/shooter

[nocturne flax]

literally

[brazen lava]

Thats not a boss

[nocturne flax]

"new enemies"

we dont know what that entails

probably a new common

probably a new mechanic

[brazen lava]

Im gonna just face palm and move on

[nocturne flax]

what would your new common would look like then

if you tell me melee only ill shot myself

[turbid cliff]

melee only

[nocturne flax]

😎 🔫

[nocturne flax]

your literally saying, oh we get the same variations of enemies and i want a new common, well commons are the striker and the shooter, what else you want me to say, you dont even elaborate on whats "new common" would be

like do you want a special ability?

because they still need to add that enemy that grabs you and runs away with you from the interview xdxdx

probably

i dunno the actual name

but i want that

[brazen lava]

That statement right there you already answered your own question lol

[nocturne flax]

that can be a boss for all we know

can be scripted

you dont even elaborate on what you want

funny when you se your fren getting grab and dissapears

[brazen lava]

I suppose by common i mean closer in line to a scout. Not something you see every room. But also not reserved for special encounters in certain missions only

[nocturne flax]

but scout its a shooter variant

well both i guess

theres no shadow shooters

canonically shadows are striker only

so it makes sense for shadow scout to be a striker

Unless they change that in the future

[brazen lava]

Shadow shooters would probably be a step above frustrating to be fair

[nocturne flax]

^

I share the same opinion, it doesnt really add anything new but frustating to no see whats shooting you

[brazen lava]

Shadow shooters in zero visibility infection fog lmao. Imagine it

[turbid cliff]

shadow scout is kind of a shadow shooter 🤔

[knotty sphinx]

That would be fun

:p

[brazen lava]

Imagine doing D2 PE out of order with those

[nocturne flax]

as a matter of fact it makes kite even stronger since you'll run around like an idiot to hammer one since its easier to dodge than hold

[nocturne flax]

yes indeed, but its ONE not multiple

[knotty sphinx]

Maybe pub games

It's faster to just shoot the shooters

[brazen lava]

I alt f4'ed my first d2 run when i made that mistake gonna be honest

[turbid cliff]

seriously though

i don't consider scout a shooter variant

they're only similar in looks, functionally they're far apart

[brazen lava]

If it doesnt shoot its not a shooter variant. Modle or not

[nocturne flax]

well when it goes loud, theyre basically the same

so i count them as a shooter variant

[turbid cliff]

if it goes loud you're probably doing something wrong kekw

or the game screwed you over

besides

saying "if x happens it's the same"

already invalidates your argument

you just straight up dropped most of the point of a scout in the first place

after they screamed they might as well be dead already

[brazen lava]

I classify my enemies on how i need to deal with them. Does it run up and hit me? Most likely a striker. Does it hang back and be annoying? Probably a shooter. A few major exceptions apply

[turbid cliff]

delete invincibility; continue wave spawn effect even if they died, ez

or just scouts explode on scream 🤔

that'd be fun

[nocturne flax]

why

[turbid cliff]

to make newbies even more confused and scared

[nocturne flax]

then people are gonna trigger them around hvt

[turbid cliff]

around wat

[nocturne flax]

a cluster

[turbid cliff]

bruh

[brazen lava]

Imagine if spitters produced fog instead/as well, and flashing them would create a gap like a fog repeller

[turbid cliff]

explode doesn't mean literal damaging explosion

just their head goes pop

[nocturne flax]

gotta specify that

that would be funny

[brazen lava]

Explode can mean many things lol

[nocturne flax]

plup

[turbid cliff]

idk i just didn't default to a real damaging explosion in my mind

[brazen lava]

Scouts but if you dont kill them fast enough they continue to scream

[turbid cliff]

it'd just be to further the point that their only purpose is to detect you, most of them die instantly as soon as they're done screaming from an angry hammer dwarf anyway

also some kind of lore baloney that that scream mutation took a lot of energy out of them

[nocturne flax]

what if instead of that it will deflate like a balloon

the skin texture just goes limb

[turbid cliff]

too far into meme territory

[nocturne flax]

what do you think the point of that was

[sterile isle]

[elfin spindle]

what's the highest number of tanks active you can have in e1? 2?

[nocturne flax]

5 afaik

Only time you'll see that is if your cheeseing

[solemn wigeon]

Why not make the scouts invincible until they scream so you are forced to dodge them

[mighty pond]

Black is correct, there can only be 5 spawned from my experience and a few others who I have discussed the topic with.

[mortal granite]

you can actually block tank to spawn with 10 - 12 enemies

[mellow creek]

imagine a new scout variant that does constant screaming

[knotty sphinx]

There's really old footage that shows the scouts constantly spawning waves if you don't kill them

So that wouldn't be too far-fetched tbh

[solemn wigeon]

I swear they spawn a set amount of enemies, so if not all can spawn then the remaining enemies are queued?

[hoary garden]

mhm

extra scout waves queue up

when cap is hit

[solemn wigeon]

Which gives the illusion of a scout spawning more than one wave

[nocturne flax]

gibma

[pliant shard]

gibma?

[knotty sphinx]

🤣

[granite token]

In your own opinion guys, what is the most hardest levels in Rundown 4 you have played (aside from E1)?

[dreamy bramble]

everybody's going to say c3

[granite token]

Ahh I see

me too

[lapis loom]

my squad are slow as balls so D2

[granite token]

yeah

i do struggle at b3 pe

but that is the map that i'm most familiar of

[dreamy bramble]

personally, i found b3pe to be pretty easy

i think me and some randoms first-tried it at extension release

it's pretty much just an resource efficiency test, where if you waste too much tool and ammo on dumb mistakes you'll die later on

[granite token]

thanks!

[forest horizon]

D2pe because most of the time it turns into either have one person kite the shadows or everyone wipes which is usually what happens

[granite token]

😦

[merry hornet]

C3

[mighty pond]

Damn a lot of people bitch about C3 huh

Sad guh

[craggy orbit]

Haven't done E1 at all yet, currently trying to get through D2PE with my group, we're having some problems going fast efficiently enough

Does that make it the hardest level for me? Dunno, pffff

C3 was hard, but once you understand it it's not so bad

[queen field]

The same applies to D2

If you know the map & are coordinated with your teammates, it's easy

same as E1

[mighty pond]

It's the truth of any level

Once you know the level it isn't that hard, and having competent teammates helps that.

C3 is a cake walk when you have a team that knows what to do and can do it.

People just can't deal with chargers for some reason

Idfk

[nocturne flax]

Look

you dont have to speedrun d2

pe

you can just

get the turbine like how they envisioned

and be totally fine

[high jolt]

"If you know exactly what to do, when to do it and what not to do, then level X is easy" 👀

[nocturne flax]

its slow but you'll get extra resources from two zones

[mighty pond]

Is that a wrong statement? lol

[nocturne flax]

people do it fast because people already know the level and dont need the turbine

but you can take your time and still manage

[mighty pond]

Even having mediocre knowledge of the level and how it works is enough

[high jolt]

its what i see a lot of here lol

[mighty pond]

It does seem to be the default for people

[turbid cliff]

well to be fair it's what a lot of the difficulty is about in this game

[mighty pond]

C3 really just boils down to do you know how to deal with chargers, yes or no.

If no, good luck kekw

[turbid cliff]

what enemies spawn, what sleepers are in there, are there bosses around in certain places, will picking up this random object piss off an infinite amount of sleepers in wherever the f*ck they might be...

[obtuse surge]

D2PE with turbine means 2 carry items so only 2 people defending against waves

which is a big deal for people that aren't good at combat

[quaint yarrow]

WAIT THERES A TURBINE IN D2PE?

WHAT

WHAT THE FUCK

[hoary garden]

there's another security door

in the room where you do the class 5

needs a cell that you get from 1st res zone

surge alarm

you get resources + turbine inside

[quaint yarrow]

I figured that was just an extra alarm

LOL

I just ran the whole shit with my group

We were like, "What the fuck this fog is awful. I guess we just gotta go fast."

[nocturne flax]

yeah theres a fog turbine

you need the cell to enter the area tho

[hoary garden]

i dont think anyone actually bothers getting the turbine

its just one zone that's completely fogged up at the end

and then you just go up the stairs and you're fine

[nocturne flax]

i mean, you can speed run the damn thing if your good

but if you playing the level first time and dont like fog

those two zones with resources + the fact that you can potentially have everyone uninfected its quite big

[hoary garden]

i just cbf with the surge alarm

[lilac ridge]

what's do people think is the best weapon/method to kill the big guys with the should tentacles and back tumors?

[craggy orbit]

Most special weapons are solid for it, it's all about spreading out, covering multiple angles, and abusing corners/cover

Burst Cannon in particular is good

[lilac ridge]

that's kinda what I thought, was just hoping for some sick tips and tricks that I might not have thought of 😛

[craggy orbit]

I'm not aware of any tricks beyond that, really

[lilac ridge]

my group just unlocked E1, and I did a solo just to check it out, a very mean man attacked me

[craggy orbit]

I'd advise doing earlier levels first, he shows up in some of 'em starting in C-tier

[lilac ridge]

yeah, we've encountered them before

it's more that the E1 alarm seems to call them

[craggy orbit]

It does, yes

One every... 4 minutes, if I recall

[lilac ridge]

and since we'll likely have to fight more then 1 I was hoping for something we might not have thought of to make it easier

can they be c-foamed?

[craggy orbit]

If they can, they take too much to be feasible in E1

[lilac ridge]

we tried to check earlier, but results were inconclusive

[sharp merlin]

No point doing C foam, waste of resources.

It's really a speedrun until you turn the alarm off.

[lilac ridge]

that's also what we thought as well, just checking

[sharp merlin]

Just have 2-3 men carrying burst

Once you get a hold of it, it isn't that hard to kill a big guy quickkly

[lilac ridge]

not super worried about it like I said, was just more wondering if we missed a well known tactic to take em out easier

[craggy orbit]

Yeah, end of D2 really shows that you can kill 'em REAL quick with the right strategy and environment

But nah, no special tactic

Shoot til dead

[lilac ridge]

wonder if I can solo kill with a sniper sentry placed at it's back

time to go check! 😄

[sharp merlin]

Have you got past the first couple scans yet?
I can give you a small tip

Don't want to spoil too much :)

[nocturne flax]

you can

it can be time consuming

teamplay just bring 1-2 burst canons and you should be good to go

[lilac ridge]

yeah no worries, was just scouting it out for my team. We're going to actually play it tomorrow

we anticipate being bodied super hard til we git gud

[nocturne flax]

yep

it really boils down to spawn in, kill tank, do alarm, loot, kill tank etc

[lilac ridge]

that's kinda how we thought it would go lol

[nocturne flax]

sounds simple..........it isnt

[tawny mirage]

Is there a limit to how high the fog can rise on D2PE. Like, are there any rooms still clear after you've wasted too much time?

[candid dragon]

high enough for most of the rooms to be in fog, painful for most of where you need not fog be fog.

but iirc it does stop.

[brazen lava]

filled the apex door room and the one with the tank. so i dont think so

[lilac ridge]

is it possible to dodge the tanks attacks with shift? if so, what's the best way to do so?

[mortal granite]

nope

you can only stay behind cover

out of LOS

[candid dragon]

break LOS and it will miss provided you move far enough from the spot

if you crouch behind good solid cover, it will basically always miss

sometimes you can find spots where you can soft-peek him and keep shooting at him and he wont change aggro much

[nocturne flax]

you can dodge it with shift, you shift to fucking cover llelelelelelele

[craggy orbit]

[atomic escarp]

👄 Lmao

[high forge]

[quaint yarrow]

[turbid cliff]

R1 would be a cakewalk just because of how much slower enemies are by default

movement and animations, not even counting granny strikers

per-tier difficulty hasn't been going down at all

when you think about it sleeper mobility has been going up every rundown

r1, r2, r3 with straight speed-ups

and R4 with collision making attacking enemies move

[obtuse surge]

a good team would just skip all resource zones on R1D1 now

it was 3 alarm doors and then the reactor shutdown

the heavy sleepers you met were rooms with a double scout

and that's it

[bold widget]

I always forget dmg drop off exists in this game

Tmw you wanted to one tap a scout in the head with the burst Canon hit but dmg drop of doesn't kill him rip

[still geyser]

I have come across a name, can someone tell me what a ||snatcher|| is? Apparently it was found in the files or sth

[queen field]

That was found in E1's audio log

We currently don't know what it is

[still geyser]

I see, thanks!

[craggy orbit]

There’s speculation, but nothing concrete, yeah

[nocturne flax]

Most likely in r5

we'll see

[shy pawn]

Can someone tell me how you reach zone 227 in b1 extreme? is it through zone 226?

[atomic escarp]

Is that for wave 5?

[shy pawn]

yes

[atomic escarp]

Mother room

Left of the reactor terminal room

[errant vigil]

^

[atomic escarp]

Coming from the apex door

[shy pawn]

Oh

AH

Okay thanks

[errant vigil]

need the key from zone 224/226

[shy pawn]

got it

[lilac ridge]

E1 kicking our ass right now

[mighty pond]

sad guh

[lilac ridge]

got to the 2nd scan door then died each time

[hoary garden]

with the proper setup 2nd s1 scan is pretty easy

open top door in fog, use autosentry on ramp

chuck some fog repellers to see shooters

[lilac ridge]

ye but we're bad

[hoary garden]

understandable

have a nice day

[lilac ridge]

mostly team doesn't want to use fog door

can't convince otherwise 😢

[candid dragon]

fog door?

[hoary garden]

think he means the door up the ramp

on the 2nd scan in e1

the one you open to funnel

[lilac ridge]

why leave it open?

[nocturne flax]

so they path up to the open door

[hoary garden]

so they all come from one direction

[nocturne flax]

^

if you open the door thats in fog, and leave the one below close, you can force them to path to the one on top

giving you more time to sit at scan and save some ammo

usually by 20ish% they recently enter the room

[lilac ridge]

they usually go to it whenever when we closed and c-foamed it

[brazen lava]

im discovering im far too much of a perfectionist for this game. even though i can manage alarms and the like pretty well. i view taking any hits at all as a failure

[dreamy bramble]

live the 20% lifestyle

then the hits won't matter

[hoary garden]

live the "getting downed by a single shooter because you are bad" lifestyle

[craggy orbit]

Every time I get hit when I don’t think I should have I just sit there like

[errant vigil]

don't get hit and save health

when the enemies start hitting better it'll be harder to stay alive without running mindlessly

[nocturne flax]

yes live at 2 hits away all the time sure its fun

[craggy orbit]

Gets hit once
“I’m in danger :)”

[modest aspen]

or 1 hit from a smack from a titan

[split girder]

pro tip: just dont die

[hoary garden]

four players at 20% try to sync hammer a giant charger

charger staggers forward, causing only 3 hits to land

[errant vigil]

if only big striker/charger health wasn't bugged rn

[bold widget]

Bugged?

[mighty pond]

leaking

[nocturne flax]

Giant health bugged cannot hurt you its not real

[errant vigil]

what

You could three full charge to back of titan in r3

now in r4 you need a small tap

after the 3

[bold widget]

Oh OK didn't know that lol never noticed

[nocturne flax]

yeah it happens with shotguns too

before you used to be able to two pump the giants

with pump shotty

now you have to two pump and 1 shot of primary or light tap with a hammer

[errant vigil]

it's not really a thing you'd notice

it's just weird lmao

[craggy orbit]

I’ve gotten the occasional 2-shot with CM, but not pump

First shot was always occiput though

And it wasn’t very consistent, so yeah

[errant vigil]

were just talking straight to the back

[craggy orbit]

You can still 3-man if you have one nail the head, but if you’re saying you could get 3 on the back and be fine then yeah I dunno lmao

Super funky

[mighty pond]

You can 2 charge them, just requires practice 🙂

[craggy orbit]

Lemme guess, time it so you both hit the head before it properly breaks

[errant vigil]

Same frame hit 👀

[mighty pond]

Nah, 5 year time span for the hit 🙂

[craggy orbit]

I think I’ll stick to chain stagger if I’ve only got two people for that

[west crow]

Cat drinking cat juice

[lilac ridge]

what do people think the best way to kill hybrids is?

We're in E1 and keep getting delayed really hard by them

[lyric narwhal]

if you can get even just 1 backheadshot they go down pretty quick

[hoary garden]

you should melee them on e1

you need the extra ammo for the scans + tanks

[lilac ridge]

what's the best way to melee them then? It takes so long

[hoary garden]

full charge to head as many times as it takes

[lyric narwhal]

strafe around them til they stay still or bait their melee

[hoary garden]

you're right though

it does take ages

[lyric narwhal]

just fish for that backhead

[hoary garden]

yeah sometimes you can circle around them during their melee animation

or any animation for that matter

[lilac ridge]

i can do that, it's most of the time they have regular strikers that make it impossible or 2 hybrids

[nocturne flax]

If you want to go speedy you shoot them with the bc on theyre back, when theyre targeting your fellow prisioners

[lilac ridge]

we've been doing that ye

[nocturne flax]

but yeah hammering the occiput its the cheapest way to do it, and if you dont dodge right you can get down real quick

[hoary garden]

take out strikers first, then one person on each hybrid usually works

so the other doesnt have to worry about getting machinegunned

[lyric narwhal]

if youre worried about taking out strikers while the hybrids are still alive you could consider leaving the room the hybrids are in if its that bad

[mossy yoke]

Let me make it clear so that people don't get their expectations misaligned and cause others to spread false info:
Character customization is not coming in R5
Please do not read too much into the Japan twitter account, their tweets are a combination of taking things out of translation and the tweets just going down everything on the roadmap including the backlog which you guys already know about. News about the game, new features that would be added, etc would all be released on the main twitter account or other main channels.

[nocturne flax]

I hope you have a bigger surprise

[mortal granite]

warden customization

[queen storm]

Matchmaking update

[mortal granite]

pffttttt

kick + friend MM

[nocturne flax]

inb4 3a levels

[mortal granite]

no A level

[queen storm]

what if r5

is all A-tier

[hoary garden]

a10 PE

[dreamy bramble]

i hope the d levels are actually hard

[errant olive]

i wanna see what they come up with for an E PE

[hoary garden]

hopefully no bs error alarms just to artificially inflate the difficulty

[errant olive]

kinda wanna see a condition for future PEs that only applies once extreme and overload are done

like adding 2 more scans to every alarm door

[bold widget]

I want to collect more partial decoders

[dreamy bramble]

the thing i'm worried about if they add a e tier with overload is that they might make the high path far too easy

rn r4e1 on high is a pretty good challenge, and extreme is even moreso

but with an overload sector, the high path might just be made into a cakewalk like d2

[errant olive]

i like how they took a different approach to a reactor level

[bold widget]

R5e1 all giants and burst ist gone

[hoary garden]

tank fights, except no BC or choke mod

[errant olive]

i deadass had a nightmare where i was playing a mashup of C3 and E1

[dreamy bramble]

now the sniper is the meta loadout for killing tanks

look at what you've done

[hoary garden]

perfection.

just like the old days

[mortal granite]

i wanna see them add in a little surprise with the reactor timer

10 minutes to get the code, suddenly fail?

[pulsar zodiac]

pull a little trolling on us

[hoary garden]

if you melee too many sleepers

[mortal granite]

i would like them make the mental thingy stat at the end a working mechanic like

[hoary garden]

your gun gets dirty

and can jam

[mortal granite]

you're hallucinating and thought the reactor have 10 minutes

but in reality, it's 2 minutes

so, for teammate that have normal mentality, it will show 2 minutes

for teammate that have unstable mentality, it show 10 minutes or a random number

making the player confused to what is real

[pulsar zodiac]

seeing teammates as sleepers

[mortal granite]

wouldn't work

[hoary garden]

sleepers, but they're not real, they're just hallucinations

[mortal granite]

but nice concept

they have to turn off your teammate name and stat for that to work

[tawny mirage]

I like the idea of seeing things that are different from what your team sees. Like in Dead Space 3 co-op. Ghost pings on the biotracker, door that are closed which are in fact open, hearing sleeper noises

[turbid cliff]

bug, desync, and bug/desync

i mean all 3 are already features kekw

[robust marsh]

i mean true because i know

[void ravine]

Man, soloing E1 is insane even in theory. 7 combined minutes of scanning in 3 140-second bursts of no kiting for the first alarm, plus the first tank, plus lugging the two cells there, then going forward at enemy cap to prevent another tank, trying to loot and get ready for the next S1 without killing any of the alarm-spawned enemies, setting up for and doing the S1, another 140 seconds of no kiting and praying the enemies you kill only get replaced by normal enemies and not another tank, then ANOTHER zone and ANOTHER 140 seconds, plus cell carrying and actually getting the cells plugged in, all while praying for no additional tanks, and praying that the big chargers don't wake up, THEN having eradicate the max enemy cap plus whatever else got woken up.
That's 700 seconds of scanning that needs to be done in 5 140-second bursts. That's 11:40 of just scanning. Not to mention the fog constantly lowering, so you're basically doomed to just going around with zero visibility at max enemy cap.

To the person who this is possible for, I hold so much respect

[nocturne flax]

140 seconds of circle kiting you mean xD

A lot of solos and duos are just kiting eventually

and abusing other game mechanics

The time spend its to be respected

[errant vigil]

I mean to me time spent circle kiting is time spent in a cheese spot

[granite scarab]

[west crow]

the sad thing is that even if someone managed to solo e1, people would be more focused on how they had to manipulate spawns or circle kite rather than the actual accomplishment

[granite scarab]

CIrcLekIteEcHEeeESSEEE

[errant vigil]

It's kind of funny how similar circle kiting and cheese spots are to each other

[nocturne flax]

I mean a lot of those people do those things for bragging rights and look down on people too

But when you boil down what they do

Then its just becomes abusing the game bugs 101

Usually people celebrate solos

We respect the time investment

But the community have evolve from the r1/2

And even tho solos are impressive due to the time sink they are

Its just thw same thing over and over and over again

Solos has been static in this game since forever

[west crow]

It's still impressive nonetheless

[nocturne flax]

Teamplay has been evolving

Like name me one person who will sit trough a 10 hour run of a man running back and forwards

While capping a certain enemy type or just running in a circle

[west crow]

People who are determined enough to get a completion that takes 10 hours of a man running back and forwards

[nocturne flax]

Sure

[errant vigil]

Damn C2PE solo really be cool to watch

[nocturne flax]

Less go

I turned a homie into a convertible

[west crow]

I mean there's a separate argument for circle kiting in a solo/duo environment and circle kiting in a 4/3 man environment

[errant vigil]

not really

[west crow]

why not?

[granite scarab]

i think the devs having 100 ammopacks per zone with enough to shoot every single room with no repurcussion is bad design

[errant vigil]

It's more that you don't get punish for alerting everything and have to use those resources

you can literally run through and around the enemy endlessly and never go down

[west crow]

How exactly do you think melee combat works?

[errant vigil]

because they can't hit you

[nocturne flax]

I turn beep into a glowstick less go

[west crow]

less goo

[errant vigil]

With the dodge mechanic on a few enemies

not hundreds

[nocturne flax]

Your not dababy, your daglowstick

[west crow]

I can assure you that I have never had to deal with 100 sleepers in a single instance

[errant vigil]

ok

[atomic escarp]

Not if you kite instead of killing E1 extreme reactor waves

[west crow]

What do you think people do when they kite hammer kill the e1 extreme reactor waves

[errant vigil]

abuse sleeper hit range

[west crow]

I restate my question

how do you think melee combat works?

[nocturne flax]

Die on wave 6/6

[west crow]

damn...

[nocturne flax]

Less go

😂

[atomic escarp]

The hammer combat itself is great

[granite scarab]

35_

[atomic escarp]

Its just that the enemies are easy to kill

[granite scarab]

?

[west crow]

less go!

[nocturne flax]

I my point on hammering reactor its that removes all preassure from the level, imo it makes it unfun

[west crow]

not really

the pressure still exists

[nocturne flax]

Theres no reason to worry, because if you have to people go down you just kite back or circle kite

[west crow]

I mean yeah

circle kite and RESET

[nocturne flax]

Your not hsing resources

[west crow]

health is a resource

[nocturne flax]

No resource management whatsoever

[atomic escarp]

Not if you're at 20%

[west crow]

it's still a resource

and people still use meds

if a person goes down, people will still shoot

[nocturne flax]

Nah you stay at 20% and maybe use a medpack here and there not really that much of transfer resources, having the guy feed you ammo, giving tool to sentries, ammo balancing between weapons, skillfull aim to save ammo, all while the guy on the back does its thing

Than you know

Running around with a hammer

[west crow]

I mean kinda?

[nocturne flax]

Hokding the reactor its so much easier than hammering, but people rather hammer the waves for some reason

Less go

[west crow]

there's risk on both ends

they are both ways to play e1

why is one suddenly superior?

[nocturne flax]

With/withouth preassure

Shooting its superior

[west crow]

the pressure is still there

[nocturne flax]

Its the intended way

And the cost its greater

Wtf

Less go

[west crow]

less goo

[nocturne flax]

😂 😂

[errant vigil]

chargers on E1 reactor when 👀

[west crow]

Devs don't intend for you to hold 4th code until you have both 4th and 5th code

But people do it

Dev intention does not always equate to how the game is played

[granite scarab]

youre all wrong and im not telling you what's right

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[west crow]

epic embed fail 🥵

[granite scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-xqc-embed-gif-19868175

[nocturne flax]

https://tenor.com/view/dababy-gif-20828843 less go

[granite scarab]

less go!

[nocturne flax]

Are gonna get new battle music tho

thats the question 🤔

r1-2 had the same r3-4 too, will r5-6 bring a new combat music

and maybe new stealth stingers or variants 🤔

kind of wanna hear more of simon music

[pliant shard]

Monke music

We finally get expansion on chimp theory

[calm vessel]

[pliant shard]

[turbid cliff]

had exactly that question and forgot

i need new music

[mighty pond]

Blooms TD 6 music in GTFO @pliant shard

[livid stone]

yooooo I'd dig that

[pliant shard]

Please it be a banger

[mighty pond]

If only the characters talked as much as the heroes do in Bloons

[pliant shard]

I’m woods! Son of woods!

[lyric narwhal]

H E A D S H O T

[high forge]

The first time me and my friends finished E1 Extreme we shot the waves and we found it pretty challenging. Then we tried to see how the hammering strat works, we were astonished by the ammount of ammo and loot we had left when we finished extreme.

Mindblown

[pulsar zodiac]

enough to pull everything afterward

[high forge]

Exactly

[nocturne flax]

Even if you shoot you have enough ammo to pull everything LUL

[high forge]

Yes but not as much as hammering, a lot less actually

[errant vigil]

If you are slow yes

[high forge]

We are not slow ^^

[nocturne flax]

the amount of ammo doesnt really matter if you have the ammo for it to begging with

[errant vigil]

if you didn't not have ammo either you were not shooting well or were very slow

[nocturne flax]

theres no difference between having 40 uses of ammo pack vs 16

you still have the ammo regardless

excess its excess

[high forge]

We had enough ammo anyway

[nocturne flax]

doesnt remove my point of making in it unfun

[high forge]

I agree with you

Seing people doing it by hammering was disgusting ngl

We did it too after that to see how it works, it makes it so much easier

That's there for people that are too slow getting the codes

[mighty pond]

Wow, you mean to tell me that if I shoot enemies I will have less ammo than if I run around in a circle like a chicken with my head cut off and hammer everything afterwards? 😮

[high forge]

[high forge]

Idk you tell me

[atomic escarp]

Imagine

Flashlight, bio only run

[high forge]

[desert shell]

what if A1 dmr sniper bio speedrun

[livid stone]

tfw you are a dmr sniper main

[atomic escarp]

What kind of DMR main?

[atomic escarp]

what happens once you pick up all of the glps in C1? does an alarm start ringing, or is there something going off at the end?

[hoary garden]

if you mean c2, there's no alarm when you pick up the last glp

[atomic escarp]

sorry yeah, c2

[craggy orbit]

^Only when you step into the extraction scan

[atomic escarp]

thank you!

[atomic escarp]

Forbidden extract alarm (alert the mother before you enter the scan)

[errant olive]

The speedruns for R3D1 had people just killing the mothers first batch then going for the blood door

[mortal granite]

R3 is easy

[candid dragon]

eyy uhh, the mother+tank at the end of E wake up on their own eventually right?

[mortal granite]

when the door is fully opened

[candid dragon]

kk just san check

[mortal granite]

it's really easy to kill 2 bosses at the end and if they're sleeping

[candid dragon]

comical even

[still geyser]

what is the spawn interval of tanks in E1?

[mortal granite]

4 minutes

[still geyser]

👍 thanks

[mortal granite]

when you spawned in you will have 15 seconds for the game to spawn the first Tank

and the exact moment he spawn, 4 minutes timer kick off

[still geyser]

i see

[nocturne flax]

I mean

I assuming they expected us to no rush them

Thats why they scream

[mellow creek]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn whereeeeeees our updates

[pulsar zodiac]

me monke

where leak

[pliant shard]

[mellow creek]

we had been diamond handing r4 for 4 months

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-laugh-crazy-car-close-up-gif-12180194

[high forge]

it will happen someday

[atomic escarp]

Yall just delayed it by 2 weeks

[mortal granite]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nocturne flax]

YOYOOYOYOYO

DAB ME UP

[mortal granite]

no

[mellow creek]

no

[bold widget]

They should introduce the face that when you kill the tumors on a mother she spawns less babies

[quiet stone]

I like that idea.

You don't want it too reduce that much tho. Maybe for every tumor popped there will be a 5% reduction in babies.

[mortal granite]

spawning babies is her ability

and also her "attack"

[rotund fractal]

hey ! I wanted to ask what's the deal with the fog on B1 . How does it work ? Does it go up when you put a cell in the cluster ? Because we placed two and we could not see annythingn due to fog (and there were no fog repellers anywhere)! Should we not put the cells in until we gather all four ? Thanks !

[hoary garden]

the fog on b1 stays constant

[still geyser]

nope, the generators won't pump the fog up/down in B1. All the areas that are in the fog will stay like that

[hoary garden]

gotta find a fog turbine

[fiery umbra]

i think you mean B2

[hoary garden]

on b2 the fog goes down when you put cells in

[rotund fractal]

yeah my bad i meant B2 !

[hoary garden]

so you might have made things harder on yourself

[rotund fractal]

so , we should gather all 4 cells and then place them in?

[turbid cliff]

Do the low zones first, place 2 cells, do the high zones

[rotund fractal]

ok awesome ! love this mechanic

[granite token]

I managed to finish D1 Extreme on first try

[nocturne flax]

less go

[peak niche]

Congrats!

[mossy yoke]

how's everyone doing? anyone want a fresh leak?

[turbid cliff]

i shall not activate your trap card

[mossy yoke]

you think it's a trap?

[shrewd flume]

You’re pretty good at trolling the discord, D0c

😉

[mossy yoke]

100% series. want to give you guys a leak, but doesn't seem like anyone really wants one...

[bleak warren]

I'll trade my potato air fryer for the leak

[solemn wigeon]

Send Rascal pics

This is actually from R1 change my mind

[mossy yoke]

There may or may not be a in there too 🙂

[bleak warren]

welp there goes my potato air fryer. treat it well will ya?

[queen field]

Why's that

That doesn't necessarily mean it's a reactor tho ?

[glass axle]

The is a lie, they don't exist

[mossy yoke]

tell that to all my friends

[queen field]

Well R4D2 doesn't have a generator but i see what you mean

R4D1 instead

When will we get running scout m'pls

[pulsar zodiac]

simon scout

[glass axle]

Simon says scouts no scouting

[craggy orbit]

There’s a terminal in the center of the leak room, yeehaw

[granite token]

if doing d2 pe, what is the first bulkhead key to be opened

[craggy orbit]

Overload please

You’d be a fool not to do overload first

[glass axle]

I realized

[craggy orbit]

But also do NOT touch the cargo case, if you weren’t aware

Picking it up starts the shadow alarm

[queen field]

Imagine not clearing D2 by taking cargo before entering extreme

[granite token]

lol

[nocturne flax]

leak looks like a really good place to hold

inb4 20 uplink

[granite scarab]

Leak bad

[pulsar shuttle]

[granite scarab]

Reused room with mood lighting instead of all lights on

That’s all

[pulsar shuttle]

hmm yes squishy bottle

[velvet linden]

they're confirming that glowsticks make a return

[nocturne flax]

thats like every rundown

and even then unless youplay a lot you dont notice it that much

[granite scarab]

Yeah just the teaser

Instead of showing floodways or something actually new they’re adding it’s just a picture that we’ve all seen if we made it to b1ex

[pulsar shuttle]

the bit at the end is different

and theres some minor details that you would easily miss

[granite scarab]

:)

[frozen dagger]

that room from the newest leak, has it been anywhere else other than b1 extreme?

[craggy orbit]

Don’t think so

It’s a lab-ish sorta tile but there was never a room like that in R3

[frozen dagger]

hmmmm i thought so

i might’ve only been around since r3 but that room seemed completely new

and i don’t remember seeing gameplay of that room in r1 and 2

[nocturne flax]

because it wasnt

r1/2 was refinery and dig site

r3/4 its labs and datacenter

[granite scarab]

datacenter

[solemn wigeon]

datacenter more like betacenter

[errant vigil]

Datacenter do be very good

[pulsar shuttle]

no

[autumn mauve]

leak is room before R4B1's reactor you can allready go check it out rn

so literally just a different lighting and some minor changes

[errant vigil]

Not liking close combat levels

[nocturne flax]

damn

[mellow creek]

boring........

[forest horizon]

Seriously? Thats the leak?

lame

[mighty pond]

Can't even appreciate getting a leak smh

[forest horizon]

I mean its a entirely fair reaction considering datacenter isn't new content, but sure.

[atomic escarp]

but at the end of the hallway of the leak there's an upper area

[craggy summit]

At least we know they are working on something

[autumn mauve]

Absolutely livid

[bleak canopy]

Any tips for R4E1 Extreme final code room with all the invisible scouts?

[knotty sphinx]

Gotta be fast and sneaky

[pseudo pumice]

pray that you get the first terminal

[bleak canopy]

thnk

Yeah lot of RNG with the extreme section. I was the solo guy yesterday and after the second code, all my other codes were in terminals that were the furthest away in each zone. Final code was in the far back room (room c) with 4 invisible scouts strutting about.

[pseudo pumice]

i think every completion i have is when scouts spawn in A and C and code is in B

[bleak canopy]

I pray for that so much lol

[queen nymph]

Yeah it’s pretty RNG based

[bleak canopy]

Kind of sucks to, the other codes even if they are shitty terminals isn't too bad. Still tough, but not impossible.

but a shit terminal in the final one is almost impossible for me

[queen nymph]

pray that you got 4 scouts in A and you can just jump into B

[bleak canopy]

yeah

[mighty pond]

Back terminal isn't really that much worse.. it's more dependent on where enemies spawn tbh

[queen nymph]

Ye

3 scouts in C with sleepers are just impossible as they stuck all the time

[west crow]

If you're going to force alert to push and get the code quicker, just let your boys upfront know

[queen nymph]

Or you can bring the whole team to go in tbh lol

4 BC and each person kill one mother

[west crow]

the only way to play e1

[queen nymph]

I think that’s the way to play it... Only because you will eventually get 3 C-Foam Granade. Then you just need to freeze 3 of them and the c-foam launcher guy can just freeze the last one himself

[vapid moon]

would you say cheeses invalidate any completion you get? speedrun or just casual?

[mighty pond]

Completion is up to those who did it, but most people probably would say cheese makes the run feel less genuine

Speedruns straight up don't allow it to begin with

But I guess BC cancel is being used in them, so idk anymore.

[mortal granite]

BC cancel are gonna be fix anyway

[vapid moon]

nice

[heavy wave]

technically, speedruns in alot of games involves using glitches to go faster

so I dont believe it cancels a run

using outside software to cheat/get full ammo is another story

[mortal granite]

because it's not "big of a deal" to burst cancel

but when the burst cancel is gone

BC gonna become giant/boss killer weapon

[heavy wave]

I never said not big of a deal

[mortal granite]

at least Charger killer

[heavy wave]

its just not part of it

[mortal granite]

everyone was telling me

it's not that big of a deal to burst cancel

[heavy wave]

🤷‍♂️

if it gets fixed, then fine

if it doesnt, then fine too

[mortal granite]

when burst cancel was introduced

i've never seen a person go full burst

it's better in every way possible

you can kill small with 1 burst cancel

i would say, if the devs just keep the old damage and change it to single fire. It'll be the same like right now ( with only low damage )

[errant vigil]

it would overlap too much with the revo then

[mortal granite]

it already is

with burst cancel

[errant vigil]

yes a bug

the whole thing with the burst cannon is that it shoots a burst

not a single shot

[mortal granite]

and people used it as a single shot?

[errant vigil]

yea abusing a bug that they already tried to fix

Clearly don't want it to be used that way

[mortal granite]

Clearly

[errant vigil]

it's probably just going to be removed next rundown and thrown into the back burner

[mortal granite]

they could just leave the burst cannon there

since it's fixed

people gonna go

If there's a boss => Burst cannon, (sniper if people still use it)
If there's no boss => every other gun

[errant vigil]

I mean if you use it well it can do more than just boss kills without burst cancel

[mortal granite]

yes

skillful enough

but it's like, waste a lot of ammo if you don't kill more than 2 smalls

[errant vigil]

yes that is the down fall

Like how sniper is if you miss you are wasting ammo

miss head*

[mortal granite]

pick sniper already waste ammo

[errant vigil]

yea it needs a small buff

[mortal granite]

if it's like R3 sniper

i think that was enough damage

[errant vigil]

I like the precision need for it to be good rather than anywhere on the body

[candid dragon]

give me hel sniper

[errant vigil]

it's needs a bit more ammo

[mortal granite]

the sniper in R4 was over buff with the damage

it could 1 shot a Pmother tumor

that's too much damage

unless you have an auto pistol that have a drum mag

[errant vigil]

yea precision is pretty crazy

It's nice but it's hard to balance

They got a lot of damage numbers going rn

Precision, body, and stagger.

At least the ones I know

There's probably more which would be pretty hard to manage and balance them all

[mighty pond]

Technically, the rule for runs is that no exploitative glitches can be used. So, BC cancel would fall under that category.

[untold depot]

my squad just beat D1, 3rd time making it into the ending scout room. i managed to get the code and put it into the terminal as the timer was at 0:00

[mighty pond]

noice

I had a close call like that with another level, it's pretty intense

[atomic escarp]

My team left me to die there once I got the code

[errant vigil]

A noble sacrifice

[atomic escarp]

At least

I killed 1 scout

[errant vigil]

Pog

[mortal granite]

the hardest choice require the strongest will

[stoic egret]

What about melee sphere falling under that category.

[mighty pond]

Ok Captain Thanos

[mortal granite]

[silver flare]

how i can access to moded level ? for R4 ?

[hoary garden]

#rules check rule 12

[mortal granite]

you go find it yourself

[clever wyvern]

scip emina on gfl

[west crow]

that's what I'm saying!

[atomic escarp]

Guess I can't join : ^ (

[west crow]

you're INVITED BUDDY

[nocturne flax]

flamethrower sentry

[solemn wigeon]

Water gun

[nocturne flax]

sewers its too generic

every single game calls it like that

floodways sounds more appealing to me personally

also haha poop water

[calm vessel]

where does all the sewage go if no poop tube?

[atomic escarp]

what a minute

sleepers eat from poop tube

[pulsar zodiac]

DMR sentry

[robust marsh]

we already have that :/

well a worse version of it

[pulsar zodiac]

that's why we need it

along with DMR melee

[sick hornet]

r5 is gonna have a melee sentry and its just some dude sitting on the floor with a bat

[atomic escarp]

How about shitpipes?

[echo vine]

Schaefer sentry 🤔

[atomic escarp]

knockback sentry

[turbid cliff]

Sentry sentry

[queen nymph]

Antihorny sentry

[nocturne flax]

horny sentry ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[sick hornet]

dammit koop i saw a number on the server and got excited ;-;

[quiet stone]

Can we assume there will be hydro dams or at least an expedition to power up a hydro dam since we can assume they most likely use the floodways as power sources 👀

[livid stone]

is the new env really called floodways, or did somebody call it that and it just catched on?

[cold epoch]

Didn't we open floodgates in A3 or B2?

[mortal granite]

d0c leak it on steam forum

exclusively

[livid stone]

ah

nice

[sick hornet]

Calling it right now 2 week timer on Thursday

[forest horizon]

Why thursday?

[peak niche]

I think it has always been on Thursday

[forest horizon]

oh really

never noticed

[solemn wigeon]

This Thursday?

[nocturne flax]

We got new dev

does he knows about gibma??

[livid stone]

wasnt R4s timer 7 days?

lol

[turbid cliff]

🤔

pretty sure it was 2 weeks before R2 released

[mighty pond]

^

It was a 2 week timer iirc

[sick hornet]

R5 - timer started april 1, R5 began april 15

[pliant shard]

R5 timer started April 1st. It never stopped

[sick hornet]

That is only acceptable if its a 1 week

I crave competent

Content lol

[pulsar zodiac]

maybe r2 mode again

[pulsar zodiac]

[livid stone]

what WOULDVE been cool if they showed the ext levels as restrictions

but oh well

[turbid cliff]

Iirc early r4 teasers showed warden restriction so yeah

That might have just been pushed too far back

[livid stone]

it didnt mean anything anymore?

yes it does

community goals

thats what it means

being given a direct challange by the warden that the community has to work together towards to recieve a reward sounds AMAZING

[mighty pond]

Pretty sure I remember reading this too

[obtuse surge]

the warden restricting us

[sick hornet]

[mellow creek]

feels like theres gona be a aprils fool fake leak

[timid wigeon]

nope

[barren notch]

Shadow chargers for r5 please

[autumn mauve]

literally anything but a new shadow variant of a mob

maybe a reskin of the shadow scouts tentacle's so they don't look so weird?

[pulsar zodiac]

what is that mine deployer in the leak

[mossy yoke]

mine deployer best weapon

[pulsar zodiac]

is that a new model 👀

[mortal granite]

ludvig cheating

[atomic escarp]

FOV pog

[native drum]

I like B1 extreme in r5 leak

[atomic escarp]

Is that a burst DMR?

[twilit remnant]

yes iy is

it seems to do a fuck load of damage too

im just glad the hel gun is back

[turbid cliff]

what the heck is that sun symbol below long range flashlight

[twilit remnant]

on of?

[obtuse surge]

flashlight indicator

it goes away when he turns off flashlight for a little

[twilit remnant]

yeah

[mossy yoke]

it's a sun

☀️

[obtuse surge]

[twilit remnant]

it makes sense cuz doc has the blinding light of god

the LR

[obtuse surge]

did you find the terminal in zone 20 doc

[turbid cliff]

oh kekw i guess that's nice QoL for people that need it

[robust marsh]

the leak is petty good at the moment as we see new gun and a older gun that is back and we see some new obj but the sun is a bit confusing still for me

[mossy yoke]

I did.. maybe I should have used the terminal

[turbid cliff]

looks very distracting to me tho

[robust marsh]

im just happy the leak is a very good one

as it shows a bit of everything

[twilit remnant]

the sun helps tbh

i cant tell if my light is on or off sometimes

[robust marsh]

the sun is mostlikely the flashlight state ya

[twilit remnant]

it is

not most likely.

it is.

[robust marsh]

now all we need is a leak from floodways

[obtuse surge]

but does the double tap rifle count as 2 headshots or just 1 and then head break

[twilit remnant]

its 2 bullets

[obtuse surge]

🤏

[turbid cliff]

it counts as 1 headshot because when the 2nd fires the head is destroyed

[robust marsh]

i mean its hit scan

[turbid cliff]

the 2nd shot just misses

[robust marsh]

so my guess is yes it counts as 2

[turbid cliff]

= burst dmr bad

[obtuse surge]

so if you just aim for the head

[robust marsh]

as it is a hitscan weapon

[obtuse surge]

hmm

[twilit remnant]

it seems to do good for body shots

[robust marsh]

i may use that for the whole rundown ngl

a better dmr

[turbid cliff]

~100 bullets total, not oneshot headshot, probably either 3 or 4shot bodyshot

[robust marsh]

hell ya i take that

[turbid cliff]

10 bullets per clip

in terms of kill efficiency

it's gonna be bad

[robust marsh]

well

[twilit remnant]

i question the useability of the burst dmr... i hope it doesnt have the firing limitations of the current dmr and has a faster allowed fire rate

[obtuse surge]

alright guys

burst cancel double tap rifle

its happening

[robust marsh]

why tho

its 2 bullets

and 1 bullet is not enough t okill

[mossy yoke]

this is pre balancing btw though, so this likely isn't final

[robust marsh]

if you make it so it counts as 2 headshot

its good

[turbid cliff]

yeah but there really ain't a way to balance a burst dmr with head destruction as it is right now

[robust marsh]

and balanced

as if you have the aim

you get some good kills

with 10 bullets good enough

it can use a bit more bullets

[twilit remnant]

@turbid cliff precision multiplier?

[robust marsh]

but its not really a big deal if it gets a good reload time

[twilit remnant]

first bullet has a precision multiplier, second doesnt

[turbid cliff]

that's not how it works

[dreamy bramble]

just flick body-head 🙂

[robust marsh]

i mean true

[dreamy bramble]

probably won't be that good though

[robust marsh]

i mean you will never know

[twilit remnant]

the hel seems back with its 1 shot dead shot]

[turbid cliff]

yeah and 1st shot causes stagger, their heads just teleport to the side after it

gl hitting

ntm you'd need perfect distance/recoil for that

[obtuse surge]

if it does a lot more damage on the headshot it would be a waste to have the 2nd shot hit body

[dreamy bramble]

yeah it's just a harder to use dmr seems like

[obtuse surge]

cancel would probably be worth it if it's possible still

[turbid cliff]

with that firing rate?

[dreamy bramble]

cancelling that quick of a burst without a macro would be a feat