Don’t try it beep
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
west crow
I've been told that anyone he plays with gets massively pinged
livid heath
oh sorry i never cared 
west crow
Why would I want that
olive shoal
there’s no way you’re actually older than 15 warp gate
deft kiln
Oh I forgot
olive shoal
I just can’t believe it
deft kiln
I nee to ping Dave goose
west crow
If you have special needs I'll apologize for being disrespectful about your disability
I'm very sympathetic to that
olive shoal
that’s why beep keeps me around
west crow
You're thriving with autism
olive shoal
it’s true
deft kiln
Dw 10cc unity cyber heist will free us
olive shoal
That’s a good topic
Jish
Do you think they’ll make the same mistakes
or do you think they’ve learned
deft kiln
I think tumour bug will make it in
olive shoal
what the fuck is going to have tumors in cyberheist
olive shoal
the main character?
deft kiln
the main character?
Cyber heist is just one of the many universes that gtfo takes place in
This one the sleepers are law enforcement
olive shoal
Id lose my mind
you’re just playing the 4 prisoners again in an alternate universe
schaeffer and henriksson are back
Id actually scream
deft kiln
schaeffer and henriksson are back
First game of cyber heist you drop into floodways
deft kiln
XD
west crow
you'd salivate for that game beth
olive shoal
just like old times
half hornet
You're joking - but I think that's a real possibility
olive shoal
Can’t wait to solo the hardest heist
deft kiln
Can’t wait to solo the hardest heist
E1r7
olive shoal
Steal Schaeffer’s memory stick
deft kiln
XD
olive shoal
You're joking - but I think that's a real possibility
It’d be funny tbh
And I probably would end up playing it yes
deft kiln
And I probably would end up playing it yes
I wish alt rundowns had more Schaefer and Henderson content
I love them
olive shoal
I hate them
west crow
henderson??
winter wharf
What if cyberheist takes place before gtfo, but in the same world 🤯
And Bishop is there trying to extort Janson or whatever his name was 🤯
olive shoal
henderson??
Secret gtfo character
balmy robin
I rate it old / 20
The build number indicates this was done on a R5.5 release build, which is more than two years old
silent kettle
referring to beep and gerz moreso
olive shoal
pretty epic
I don’t think choke spam is too insane against pmom compared to other options but
3 tumors left is quite nice
silent kettle
well yes but the point was that MISH was a god and knew u can kill pmom without her waking
deft kiln
well yes but the point was that MISH was a god and knew u can kill pmom without ...
How is RICK doing today
olive shoal
honestly even with hel shotgun scatter I don’t think you’re getting a stealth pmom kill
Mostly cause ur shooting
Which
Wakes up rooms
deft kiln
Stealth mom and tank is easy now
deft kiln
Okay it isn’t about waking up room
olive shoal
BIRTHER BOSS
deft kiln
I am talking about what actions this enemy gets to take
narrow gulch
Hear me out
deft kiln
If she has to scream it is rng if you get it
olive shoal
why not 3 scatterguns at that point then
olive shoal
That’s ridiculous?
deft kiln
Mom hammer being easy is also a result of client tumor
It probably means there is a line with duo hammer
Tbh
olive shoal
And everything else said before isnt?
deft kiln
And everything else said before isnt?
Correct
olive shoal
deranged
deft kiln
deranged
I mean just go back to hanging with the realistic gtfo players like RICK and PETER, BETH
narrow gulch
3 scatter 1 hammer is probably optimal yea
deft kiln
3 scatter 1 hammer is probably optimal yea
XD
narrow gulch
With the hammer being host
silent kettle
gerz is public enemy now?
olive shoal
always has been
deft kiln
What are you saying
olive shoal
Since the burst cannon argument
hexed vapor
HEL Gun users are the most oppressed class in society.
olive shoal
It’s true
narrow gulch
I'm just here to say stupid shit then prove it right
deft kiln
always has been
Me and BETH are RIVALS
silent kettle
is it rlly a rivalry
deft kiln
Not really
silent kettle
thats toxic GERZHULL
deft kiln
It is really her stomping on a toddler
olive shoal
im sorry JEWELRYCOUNTRY
deft kiln
No she is correct but it is a matter of public image
deft kiln
im sorry JEWELRYCOUNTRY
BETH is like a PIT-BULL
deft kiln
I can’t spell give one sec
nocturne flax
A pitbull?
Mr worldwide Mr 305
olive shoal
Anime profile pic
deft kiln
BETH is like a PIT-BULL
And I Am her TODDLER
narrow gulch
I'm gonna start comming that I'm playing pitbull when we fight a mom
silent kettle
enough internet for today
olive shoal
it’s time for bed jish
deft kiln
Never!!!!
silent kettle
gerz do you have cs2 key yet
silent kettle
:(
olive shoal
Do you have apex installed
olive shoal
play with robert and purple
Robert is bad tho
olive shoal
How am I like the not so silent one
deranged
olive shoal
this is perfect then
silent kettle
ill let them know
deft kiln
Is Rick your secretary Beth
silent kettle
no but gerz keeps trying to wiggle out of this one
kind swan
deft kiln
Why don’t you play with your friends Beth apex is fun
olive shoal
I don’t have it installed
deft kiln
¿
silent kettle
no
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I don’t have it installed
Play warzone 
silent kettle
fps = 1
still mica
twin dirge
Play warzone <:CatPog:821598243158491136>
when pp
valid kestrel
schaeffers den?? in R6BX?
half hornet
schaeffers den?? in R6BX?
Yeah?
valid kestrel
wiow! awesome!
atomic escarp
hi guys 
buoyant badger
do I bring Bioscanner for Shadows?
buoyant badger
says it detects it as red dots, making it pingable while idle
half hornet
Vets will say "blah blah, you can do it without it"
And, yeah, you can.
Hopefully your situational awareness is 11/10
Also turrets don't shoot them unless they're pinged, so there's that.
buoyant badger
I approach sleepers in pitch dark to not be seen
I am sneaky
my only issue is groups
prisma zodiac
*Yes.* Its not even an option.
It still is
would just lead to funny mines + cfoam combos
(Sry i had to 
)
always bring bio unless any kind of challenge run where youd want smth else aka
Solo/duo (often)
Speedruns (often)
Other wacky challenge runs
kind swan
Thermals exist
But if you want sentries to shoot shadows at all. You need bio
But it is not "required"
And some people not vets play still play at 55 fov/don't know sound cues and enemy tendencies
atomic escarp
once upon a time i didnt realize that ur supposed to look at the small number
until bobo and beth pointed it out
olive shoal
pub
atomic escarp
damn I never would have guessed that
olive shoal
ive been good
olive shoal
playing this insane game
atomic escarp
silly little game
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playing this insane game
What ya playing
atomic escarp
im reinstalling gtfo rn (worst mistake of my life)
velvet linden
What ya playing
shes playing payday 3
olive shoal
im not playing payday 3
atomic escarp
doesnt payday 3 like not work currently
velvet linden
wrong
olive shoal
i was referring to the fact i still play gtfo
velvet linden
you are playing payday 3
coarse berry
I recently massively upped my FOV from 57 to 60
half hornet
Welp, there we go. ALT Rundown 6 done. Got a sick helmet out of it - scorpion has a rival now. For once...
D4 was fuckin' mean in the end. Hard to believe its not an E. Wonder what disqualifies it - it got all the makings of one:
error alarm to start the run, rooms filled to the brim, infection, mothers, scouts in spades...
And a brutal ERROR SURGE alarm to cap it all off while carrying a cell through milk-thick fog in one of the most claustrophobic and easy-to-get-lost-in tilesets in the game. Fucking hell...
Oh well. GG.
Back to Elden Ring and here's hoping R8 will bring something truly special.
...
Oh right... Almost forgot... To the wiki i go to read all the logs i missed. Just one final thing to do.
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Welp, there we go. ALT Rundown 6 done. Got a sick helmet out of it - scorpion ha...
There is no way its an E
You get way too much stuff
Giant part is easy stealth and charger part is also simple
Fog is just annoying
Extraction is kinda hard
tough atlas
foam fixes most of the extraction's "hardness"
it's just that it ain't that useful anywhere else in the map
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Yeeee
idle nacelle
foam fixes most of the extraction's "hardness"
I feel like there's an innuendo to be made
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it's just that it ain't that useful anywhere else in the map
Eh for surge scan
tough atlas
Eh for surge scan
I guess
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Can also foam some doors in the fog alarm scan
tough atlas
I'd say that (yes I know some people DO NOT consider checkpoints) if it didnt have any checkpoints I could see it being harder than r2e1
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Also for charger but that one isnt really necessary since you have shitton of ammo in that zone
tough atlas
Also for charger but that one isnt really necessary since you have shitton of am...
naaa
they can spawn in the cs-rooms yes
and I guess you can foam the ground on the side you came from
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Cs rooms you mean side room?
tough atlas
well I said "that useful" not that it was useless until that point :3
tough atlas
Cs rooms you mean side room?
The zone you go in to take key for t-scan
native lily
Welp, there we go. ALT Rundown 6 done. Got a sick helmet out of it - scorpion ha...
honestly it felt easier then c3 to me
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Now that i think about it
Can you funnel by leaving the top doors open?
Would have to test
tough atlas
Can you funnel by leaving the top doors open?
that tile is present in r5c2 and I remember doing it, but I was on the opposite sides for both
also only worked if they didnt spawn in the other zone
Now, this is my speculation but I think their pathing tries to go from room A to room B taking into account whichever door is closest to their point of entry (assuming all doors are closed), so perhaps where they spawn is also a factor to consider
Maybe someone knows how their pathing actually works and can give better info
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tough atlas
<:CatPog:821598243158491136>
...I like cats too
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native lily
hexed vapor
I wonder if R6D3 would have been better if the fog just kept going.
I feel like the fact that it stops makes it such a non-issue.
deft kiln
I don’t think it makes a difference
If it got dense enough it would be
hexed vapor
I don’t think it makes a difference
But you get huge stealth areas + the catwalks at the front that are almost completely clear.
olive shoal
I mostly just don’t remember the last time the fog got high enough to be a big issue rlly
deft kiln
Ray just did a 50 minute reactor start
olive shoal
not because like it hit the limit but just
deft kiln
He wants to be punished
olive shoal
it rises pretty slow
hexed vapor
I WANT TO BE PUNISHED
Also, it's not just slow runs.
A time that is just okay often hits the cap as well.
I feel like it devalues speeding through the reactor vs. earlier sections.
olive shoal
I find the level pretty boring these days tbh
deft kiln
I wanna be punished
nocturne flax
I find the level pretty boring these days tbh
Damn its like we already played thrk or something
olive shoal
right?
nocturne flax
We waited a year to replay them!
olive shoal
I think it’s just not very replayable compared to smth like d4 or d2
nocturne flax
Its just the pacing
olive shoal
I think d3 goes as my least favourite d tier in r6
hexed vapor
I don't vibe w/ D2 or D4 that much tbh.
Just too much downtime.
And not that fun to pub
olive shoal
d4 doesn’t have that much downtime rlly
Maybe I just fly through the level and that makes it more bearable but d3 feels like it drags so hard
narrow gulch
d3s fun when you pull tank room 5 times while waiting for surge at the end
olive shoal
D3 for me is fun until you get to reactor
west crow
which part of d3 would you prefer
holding still defending error
or holding still defending reactor
maybe you would like to sit and wait to code hunt instead
olive shoal
yup
no one in the history of gtfo has ever said this before
what’s your favourite part of D1: Nemesis Beep
west crow
i haven't played the level
west crow
Do Not disrespect me. You will ragret it.
olive shoal
I really enjoy pointing my long rifle at the big squid
Enough with the petty snipes.
west crow
I don't care much for your Input.
west crow
Interesting strategy to get some enemies stuck for enemy cap, wonder which strategies that don't get enemies stuck are viable. Only thing that comes to my mind is trying to soldier through reactor while kiting enemy cap (shadows from scouts, or giants from zone 459), killing the mothers on your way, and then dealing with all the backed up waves somehow
gerz
@olive shoal
is beth your first name?
olive shoal
yes in solo r4e1, outside of that I don't cheese my runs, especially not a duo where the point is to do it properly and improve
Yes it’s my first name beeperduds
west crow
Lovely name
west crow
yikes..
olive shoal
in duo r4e1
west crow
YIKES
olive shoal
I should’ve blew myself up with a mine…
west crow
who could he improve on the pmom kill
west crow
shoot the babies
olive shoal
grab the item.
olive shoal
ok PUB
deft kiln
I forgot
olive shoal
choke mod silent weapon
deft kiln
My bad
west crow
someone posted evidence earlier i think it was rayalot
olive shoal
Has the silent modifier
Can we give beep the silent modifier
and give him biotracker
west crow
i am mute and deaf so i get it automatically
olive shoal
This is perfect
west crow
what?
olive shoal
can we give the blind person the bio tracker
west crow
what?
atomic escarp
beep
olive shoal
when you finally get around to no burst cannon r4e1 duo
olive shoal
I know someone who could desperately use your help
hes a b tier gtfo player called JEWELRYCOUNTRY
really needs his first clear
Unfortunate
atomic escarp
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I hate cats i want more dog memes 
livid heath
I hate cats i want more dog memes <:CorgiStare:1035394137618382868>
Dog memes you said
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obtuse surge
do the devs realise that .3 chargeup stacked on .3 latency means the gun fires .6 late
can we nerf weapons in a way that still makes them usable on latency
astral ferry
hel gun mains stay losing
half hornet
do the devs realise that .3 chargeup stacked on .3 latency means the gun fires ....
Maybe they don't. You can always write them a letter at community@gtfothegame.com
If you provide detailed arguments and maybe even a video example - they might even listen.
deft kiln
You have to be a plant
atomic escarp
LMAO
eternal dragon
solemn wigeon
can we nerf weapons in a way that still makes them usable on latency
Make the charge up be (0.3 - latency)s. :)
pseudo lily
me w the -0.7 s charge up hel gun
livid heath
can we nerf weapons in a way that still makes them usable on latency
No
Too much effort
native lily
can we nerf weapons in a way that still makes them usable on latency
I dont think any weapon is properly usable on high latency
livid heath
I dont think any weapon is properly usable on high latency
Me and the bois with 3 scatter guns 1 sniper
native lily
crimson peak
I feel like I am going crazy, has anyone here played R5E1 since R6 came out?
Because the tank blood door isnt a tank blood door anymore
coarse berry
Because the tank blood door isnt a tank blood door anymore
they nerfed it
livid heath
Because the tank blood door isnt a tank blood door anymore
Yes
It is now snatcher
Sadge
crimson peak
I thought I was going crazy ty ty
jaunty tulip
yeah they keep nerfing stuff for ppl with no hands
livid heath
yeah they keep nerfing stuff for ppl with no hands
DAMN
bro did not just throw it down like that
holy shit
livid heath
They said sharper teeth
atomic escarp
Shlorp
nocturne flax
They said sharper teeth
Eh its aight
They made things better and more fair
As a whole
atomic escarp
I keep thinking about last zone in r6d4
nocturne flax
The same what, 900 people who play this game regularly we gonna keep saying MOAR DIFFICULT but like gtfo its trying to achieve preassure not difficulty
And we forget that
atomic escarp
Tomorrow I'll make you something nice
jaunty tulip
They made things better and more fair
fair for who "skill issue ppl"?
livid heath
fair for who "skill issue ppl"?
ouch
atomic escarp
The same what, 900 people who play this game regularly we gonna keep saying MOAR...
The problem is that only applies to new and somewhat seasoned people
nocturne flax
The way they rebalance some of the kevels and made them more fair and work like theyre suppise too its not a bad thing
livid heath
than games that are really hard
nocturne flax
They adressed some of the things we spoke during EA times
jaunty tulip
not gonna lie but e lvls atm should be c lvls cause thats how they feel
atomic escarp
Agreed
livid heath
not gonna lie but e lvls atm should be c lvls cause thats how they feel
R5E1 is a breeze now lol
R4E1 gets knocked out cause of Detox boosters
atomic escarp
But we are few months away from r8 so not much to expect
nocturne flax
But we are few months away from r8 so not much to expect
Year*
nocturne flax
R4E1 gets knocked out cause of Detox boosters
Imagine boosters
atomic escarp
Custom boosters tho 
livid heath
but does it stop us or anyone bringing them lol?
livid heath
Custom boosters tho <:PirateSimon:621817514388750377>
stfu
jaunty tulip
But we are few months away from r8 so not much to expect
yeah hope r8 is gonna be a challenge but probably it wont be and most likely i am not gonna take longer then 2 attempts at any lvl especially since they most likely gonna have checkpoints everywhere
atomic escarp
yeah hope r8 is gonna be a challenge but probably it wont be and most likely i a...
Only excited bout the fresh content
I'm positive it'll be an average rundown
livid heath
Only excited bout the fresh content
I'm positive it'll be an average rundown
nah dude
R8 last rundown
if its gonna go down
then let it go down
sexy style
throw it down
jaunty tulip
average rundown with watered down difficulty
livid heath
average rundown with watered down difficulty
dude
atomic escarp
I expect nothing more from the one guy working on it
livid heath
I expect nothing more from the one guy working on it
the more u jinx it
the worse it becomes
@rare sleet REAL
prove us wrong 10C
atomic escarp
R8 is gonna be the hardest rundown yet with 4 lvls on each tier
Even E tier
Is this better 🤔
livid heath
Is this better 🤔
i dont need harder
i need story
and new enviroments
new enemies
finally meeting schaffer the home boi
meeting the other KSO
atomic escarp
Too hopeful my Boi
livid heath
not by slapping it
into a error alarm
where i listen to audio logs
while getting fisted
jaunty tulip
and i want to be stuck on c+ lvls for a few hours bc they are difficult and not a walk in the park and long with backtracking for no reason
livid heath
and i want to be stuck on c+ lvls for a few hours bc they are difficult and not ...
yeah
same
jaunty tulip
like i have the game since mid of old r1 and first clear of r4e1 the original one took my group 2 f months thats the stuff i long for
ofc we are a lot better then before but still the difficulty of the lvls gone to 💩
nocturne flax
average rundown with watered down difficulty
They were always average.... you just remember having fun 😔
Rundown nostalgia
jaunty tulip
well the overall atmosphere of the game was much better back then 2 bc everything was darker
coarse berry
i noticed flashlights looked more natural in EA
nocturne flax
i noticed flashlights looked more natural in EA
They did
But its just now the place its actually better lit up
dry dagger
It feels like they light the way much better now. EA flashlights had a very focused cone from what I recall.
deft kiln
The lighting in this game
Is horse shit
10cc wants me to play with my monitor unplugged
nocturne flax
Inb4 low spec mod
I think the lighting its fine
UNTIL
you go into a charger zone or whatever and its suddenly fucking RED
And you cant see shit ans you get a headache
deft kiln
I think the lighting its fine
Why
Can I turn on my flashlight
And see less
Honestly I think the liquid bug
Is intended behaviour
I can’t see how it doesn’t fit with their design style
Hard = see less
nocturne flax
Why
Because in my humble experience most of the time the lighting its good
What actually.bother me the most its just the trope of red lighting = charger or spooky enemy
And how fog react to light
Never the lighting of a room itself bothered me on visibiility
atomic escarp
you go into a charger zone or whatever and its suddenly fucking **RED**
Hit lights mod is a blessing
There is also that mod that reduces light effects which somehow makes visibility better
nocturne flax
I dont remember wich level had the shittt fog setting thst if you turn your flashlight youll literslly go blind
wary olive
R4e1 2nd alarm was like that
pliant bear
while getting fisted
the common joy for gtfo players during error alarms....
broken scarab
<@264164771669082112> shotgun sentry could use the same auto sentry treatment
There was some internal discussions about that, but not for now at least
atomic escarp
oh cmoooon 😭
half hornet
Really?
Oh well. Hopefully you will do that. Only sniper and burst should aim for the head (burst debatable).
broken scarab
Yea, and that setting wasn't in the game until now, so we are testing it out
atomic escarp
oh
half hornet
Oh, perfect.
Overall great patch notes once again, although not sure what to think about burst cannon change.
How much damage was increased exactly?
Are we back to 20 again or even more?
broken scarab
We'll have those numbers within the hours, probably 🙂
half hornet
Hm. If it was increased to like 25 that could be interesting...
fresh bronze
how much was auto sentry increased by if someone has numbers
pulsar zodiac
Rejoice BC damage is 22
half hornet
Huh. Fascinsting.
So that's... 110 damage total.
Leaves giant with a sliver of health (relatively speaking), maybe even kills it if last bullet hits head (uncertain).
obtuse surge
burst cancel stay winning
back to oneshot
and recoil doesnt matter if you only shoot once
tough atlas
Rejoice BC damage is 22
really? Nice
atomic escarp
so like old bc but worse recoil
obtuse surge
GG
fresh bronze
Gonna run sawed off my next run to see if i can tell the difference
half hornet
Hm. It is a fascinating change.
BC struggled with it entity crisis because whatever it does - the likes of sniper and scattergun just do it better. And less annoying to work with too, more dopamine hits...
Losing ability to at least try bursting waves partially was a deal breaker. Now that feature is back, but recoil is still there... So doing a hand wave on a wave is a lot harder now.
prisma zodiac
Hm. It is a fascinating change.
BC struggled with it entity crisis because what...
Its now extremely strong but awful to use
atomic escarp
skill issue
tough atlas
skill issue
The Asian/Australian answer to any criticism
prisma zodiac
?
half hornet
I'll give it a shot later, see if I'll like it.
I'd still rather take a different approach and reduce damage even further to 15, give it like 10-15 extra bullets, reduce the stupid spin up and just turn it into stupid thick burst rifle.
Then it can act as a double-take middle ground.
calm coral
I think bc deserved the 20 damage back after the recoil nerf
tough atlas
You'd fix it by turning it into something else entirely
fresh bronze
Hm. It is a fascinating change.
BC struggled with it entity crisis because what...
i liked bc as a good close range alternative to sniper but now we got scattergun so im not really sure what to think about it
tough atlas
I think bc deserved the 20 damage back after the recoil nerf
yeah I agree
half hornet
i liked bc as a good close range alternative to sniper but now we got scattergun...
I know, right?
tough atlas
To be fair I still considered it strong since in some chokepoints, with the old recoil, you could still get 3 kills out of 5 shots
which wasn't ideal but I wouldn't call it bad
half hornet
The Identity crisis is still there.
fresh bronze
like i prefered burst for killing moms and tanks but with scattergun its lost its purpose there
prisma zodiac
I think bc deserved the 20 damage back after the recoil nerf
If you want a S+ tier gun again, yes
fresh bronze
that and as eva said its just a lot less annoying to use scattergun and sniper lmfao
fresh bronze
yeah you dont have to worry about half your shots going into the ceiling with sniper or scattergun for equal if not more power
tough atlas
Interesting to note how everything but HEL Shotty got buffed btw
fresh bronze
Interesting to note how everything but HEL Shotty got buffed btw
as far as im aware hel shotty is s tier im just to stupid to use it lmfao
daring pilot
hel shotty did not need a buff
tough atlas
hel shotty did not need a buff
yes but isn't it interesting?
half hornet
To be fair fire nerfs don't hurt HEL shotgun at all
tough atlas
Instead of nerfing they buffed shit
Meaning they maybe want things to be a tad easier?
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it?
fresh bronze
they really only buffed guns i dont ever see people use
prisma zodiac
that would be the case if theyd buff the already strong guns
daring pilot
Yeah, mag dumping hel shotty nerf only affects it’s ability to one shot charger scouts
Honestly
prisma zodiac
nerfing bad stuff up to medium/strong doesnt make the game easier
half hornet
Meaning they maybe want things to be a tad easier?
Nah, they're just trying to polish game balance.
prisma zodiac
unless you intentionally ran bullpup/pr all the time
daring pilot
That’s more of a buff for people who don’t know how to use hel shotty imo
prisma zodiac
poor black dragon, no longer using hard mode
prisma zodiac
That’s more of a buff for people who don’t know how to use hel shotty imo
Yup
fresh bronze
That’s more of a buff for people who don’t know how to use hel shotty imo
literally what i was thinking
tough atlas
that would be the case if theyd buff the already strong guns
yeah I guess you're right
fresh bronze
had to ban a friend from using hel shotgun because he kept mag dumping into the floor like a moron
prisma zodiac
wat
fresh bronze
wat
he plays on fuckin geforce and has like 300ms average latency so his aim is somehow worse and less consistent then mine
often ran hel shotgun but he would go into a crowd of enemies and manage to kill nothing
dont even understand how it was possible
half hornet
Was he shooting from 10 meters away
daring pilot
Unless you’re super close lol
fresh bronze
Was he shooting from 10 meters away
honestly idk but i do know he would run out of ammo in that gun so quickly that we had to just tell him to stop running it
wouldnt be a big deal if we didnt have to chain feed him 5 ammo packs to support his addiction
half hornet
Lmao
daring pilot
Yeah, a lot of people call hel shotgun bad and just don’t use it properly in my experience
half hornet
Either he's trolling or...
fresh bronze
Either he's trolling or...
its absolutely latency
ive seen the latency its pretty yikes
geforce moment
fresh bronze
its that combined with some long distance and also shiternet
velvet linden
BC 22 DMG WE ARE SO BACK
fresh bronze
its a lot of factors but we have ran test
but yea never seen a man worse with a weapon then him with hel shotgun
other big issue is he usually got to close and got hit a fuck ton or even downed
calm coral
If you want a S+ tier gun again, yes
id say bc isnt as versatile as it used to be so its fine for it to one shot smalls again
daring pilot
Exactly
calm coral
id argue they should give it shorter range though potentially
fresh bronze
i dont even think the change is a big deal
daring pilot
I pitched for a while the idea of removing one of the three nerfs they bit BC with in ALT R4
calm coral
so that it doesnt become too good in a recoil controlling players hand
fresh bronze
the game is already kinda fucking the gun over with 2 strictly more convenient and usable alternatives
half hornet
I still struggle to see why won't I just take sniper.
calm coral
the recoil nerf was fully deserved
calm coral
I still struggle to see why won't I just take sniper.
depends on the level
ill take burst cannon for some levels now probably
half hornet
Pin point accuracy, infinite range...
fresh bronze
sniper is no more now that i have my hands on the super shotgun
daring pilot
the game is already kinda fucking the gun over with 2 strictly more convenient a...
However, consider the following - burst cannon sounds so fucking good
balmy robin
sniper is no more now that i have my hands on the super shotgun
But the satisfaction of hitting those head shots !
calm coral
Pin point accuracy, infinite range...
sniper will always be the best special for me but the idea of bc being compelling in specific levels is nice
daring pilot
Legit I will take that gun just because it sounds so good
fresh bronze
But the satisfaction of hitting those head shots !
counter point, the pain of what feels like should have been a headshot on a giant that blows off the head but doesnt kill.
half hornet
Actually...
fresh bronze
i do like burst cannon tho
half hornet
It's now the giant charger killer, huh.
fresh bronze
fun weapon but only sometimes
half hornet
Then again scatter does that too... Even if point blank.
fresh bronze
Burst cannon has it on range
the whole fun of scattergun is fucking bhopping while blowing the backs out of any unsuspecting giant
obtuse surge
surely no one will make a macro that basically removes the recoil
i would never honestly
fresh bronze
surely no one will make a macro that basically removes the recoil
tbf if your gonna macro a game i dont think you ever cared about balance
daring pilot
So scattergun is your all purpose big killer (any of them), but only up close
Sniper good for giants and hibirds, so the basic bigs.
And now BC decks big chargers with minimal downsides, same can be said for shadow giants
daring pilot
tbf if your gonna macro a game i dont think you ever cared about balance
This lol
fresh bronze
kinda like making a macro to always get low charge occi taps
actually thats probably just a me issue
velvet linden
i made a macro to uninsall gtfo
fresh bronze
im to stupid to get the charge right
obtuse surge
or maybe we could have weapons that arent balanced around gimmicks
nah that would be crazy
chargeup heavy recoil and shot delay all the way baby 
mortal portal
Does anyone know what's the new damage stat on the burst cannon?
fresh bronze
nah that would be crazy
i think having a extremely wide spread shotgun that requires you to be inside a enemys ass but does serious damage is pretty fun
daring pilot
22
half hornet
22 (110)
fresh bronze
and i mean fat recoil for something that has a lot of power makes sense aswell
fresh bronze
just would be nice if the balancing wasnt based entirely around the recoil
obtuse surge
no it doesnt
half hornet
Pull out your main, idiot.
fresh bronze
no it doesnt
m8 im saying it makes sense because it literaly does
a more powerful gun has more recoil
obtuse surge
why does that matter in a game
velvet linden
a more powerful gun has more recoil
obtuse surge
real
obtuse surge
i cant wait for shadowgx to say that hel gun is still powerful
fresh bronze
a gun without recoil wont feel right
obtuse surge
so in R8 we can have .5 hel gun
obtuse surge
a gun without recoil wont feel right
??
did you use the burst cannon before it had this amount of recoil
does it feel better with more recoil?
half hornet
a gun without recoil wont feel right
Bullpup moment.
obtuse surge
really?
half hornet
Imho it feels like absolute ass
fresh bronze
honestly the question of "why does it matter in game" is so fuckin stupid lmfao
obtuse surge
??
fresh bronze
you could ask that about anything and no awnser would really matter
half hornet
Explain yourself
half hornet
First of all whats "it" again, I lost the convo
fresh bronze
your basing the guns off of real life
obtuse surge
i dont think the burst cannon with its old recoil felt liek a toy gun to literally anyone
half hornet
I have no idea what any of you are saying.
fresh bronze
but that would not be enjoyable
its fuckin stupid to just call a feature bad for mimicing realism
prisma zodiac
Anyone saying burst cannon deserved the recoil nerf is lost 
fresh bronze
And i said its grounded in reality because a high power gun will have high recoil
esspecially one with burst fire lmfao
velvet linden
I have no idea what any of you are saying.
i think we are having a realism vs game feel debate
fresh bronze
I honestly dont really see the recoil as that big a deal but i aint got much room to talk since i play on fuckin 12k dpi
fresh bronze
i think they should remove sleepers
strawman
obtuse surge
half hornet
I honestly dont really see the recoil as that big a deal but i aint got much roo...
The gun was fine before the nerf. Had a certain vibe to it.
After the recoil it's just disgusting.
hexed vapor
BC buff is wild.
fresh bronze
The gun was fine before the nerf. Had a certain vibe to it.
After the recoil it'...
its a bit much but i really dont think its that bad
hexed vapor
But nice.
fresh bronze
the recoil + damage nerf was def to far tho
prisma zodiac
Id rather have Alt r3 burst cannon than this
obtuse surge
it means you have to actually learn the recoil
and then once you have
we have the same problem again
prisma zodiac
yup
obtuse surge
as before any of the nerfs
prisma zodiac
its just worse for beginners
hexed vapor
That's fine.
livid heath
Wait
fresh bronze
i dont see the issue with having to learn to use a gun
prisma zodiac
would be better change
Ding ding ding
obtuse surge
you cant use that argument when they keep changing stats in fucked up ways past ea
learn what lol
maybe next patch its completely different again
velvet linden
virus link
obtuse surge
ip grabber
livid heath
ip grabber
Ass smacker
obtuse surge
uwu
velvet linden
Get the NLO lol
i asked nicely
velvet linden
Fr tho how did you ask for it
"hey Soy, im new to the lore channel, can i get the New Lore Operative role?? thx"
atomic escarp
when I click a linking thinking it will be a rickroll but its only an ip grabber
livid heath
when I click a linking thinking it will be a rickroll but its only an ip grabber
Yes
Now we know where you live
atomic escarp
i live in your walls
velvet linden
Can you acess <#585062984619917342> tho
of course
velvet linden
they use a big syringe
livid heath
Can u answer me in there tho
velvet linden
sorry, i forgot my lore password
obtuse surge
its CUTE
hexed vapor
22 damage is a bit weird, tho.
Although, the fall-off felt basically the same w/ +15% special damage, which is pretty close to that.
hexed vapor
No AR buffs 😔
atomic escarp
is AR bad?
velvet linden
yes
hexed vapor
It could be worse, but it's the only auto that has not been buffed.
And all auto mains have been quite bad since R4.
hexed vapor
Rn HSMG is what AR should be.
daring pilot
I use it a lot and it feels fine
velvet linden
its literally worse heavy smg
velvet linden
then use HSMG lol
half hornet
Wait.
hexed vapor
Hear me out.
half hornet
wait
half hornet
6 shot what
daring pilot
Kill
daring pilot
and then we move HSMG to the special slot
Based
hexed vapor
6 shot what
Striker
limpid briar
22
prisma zodiac
22
olive shoal
HUH
prisma zodiac
yup
limpid briar
machine pistol is now 1500 RPM 
prisma zodiac
10% booster allows it to one burst giants now
Who cares
olive shoal
WHY NOT NERF THE RECOIL
prisma zodiac
down for vc? Im back from vacation and need to not dedge
limpid briar
Does hel shotgun actually have a shot delay this time
0.21 > 0.2625
velvet linden
hel shotgun stays losing
limpid briar
combat shotgun 0.25 for comparison
olive shoal
Oh wait maybe it doesn’t matter then
prisma zodiac
its just a slight change
olive shoal
U can still fire combat shotgun pretty quick
prisma zodiac
makes it a bit worse for experienced guys, better for newbies
limpid briar
sawed off range 4m > 6m, reload 1.8 > 1.6
olive shoal
I’m not gonna lie friends most of these changes are pointless
hexed vapor
You have to place shots more carefully, but that was already a good idea before, so it only really slows it down after you have a ball going.
limpid briar
s tier real???
kind swan
Was burst cannon reverted to 20?
velvet linden
22
hexed vapor
I’m not gonna lie friends most of these changes are pointless
BC, tho.
kind swan
Crazy
prisma zodiac
s tier real???
still has mag size issues
daring pilot
Hel Shotgun nerf is irrelevant
velvet linden
why is no one talking about machine pistol
prisma zodiac
burst cannon (if played well) S+ again :>
it can now technically 1 shot hybrids
tho that wont ever happen LOL
atomic escarp
why is no one talking about machine pistol
does anyone actually take that?
velvet linden
its back
daring pilot
Yeah
limpid briar
machine pistol is more dead than ever
max range from 40m to 30m is a huge damage nerf in most situations
prisma zodiac
is it rly?
velvet linden
you are all machine pistol HATERS
daring pilot
Also the auto sentry change is super cool and I hope it gets added to shotgun sentry
kind swan
What was Machine pistol dmg increased to?
prisma zodiac
you never shot machine pp past 10 meters anyway lol
hexed vapor
This is kind of an L For HEL Gun, though.
limpid briar
yeah and at 10 meters it does like 20% less damage
atomic escarp
Also the auto sentry change is super cool and I hope it gets added to shotgun se...
calle said no for the time being
obtuse surge
um actually hel gun has penetration
hexed vapor
0.2s could probably compete w/ this BC, but 0.3 is an oof.
obtuse surge
its the best weapon in the game even if it has 1s chargeup 🤓
kind swan
olive shoal
This is kind of an L For HEL Gun, though.
You
Take that back
burst cannon does stay winning tho 😔
atomic escarp
obtuse surge
it can now technically 1 shot hybrids
maybe as client
cuz they dont react
rare client w
hexed vapor
Take that back
It's too late, I'm already transitioning to double Revo
hexed vapor
It's not the same, but we live in hard times.
dry dagger
It's too late, I'm already transitioning to double Revo
Ray embrace the high cal
For the time we have it as it should be
olive shoal
I’m still gonna swear by hel gun
fallow wasp
No, standard revolver feels better
obtuse surge
high cal is nice for latency
olive shoal
burst cannon will be fun to use
obtuse surge
no chargeup for once
atomic escarp
i swear by the combat shotgun
olive shoal
So based
velvet linden
i swear by the combat shotgun
L
fallow wasp
My guilty pleasure loadout has been bullpup and precision rifle for a while now
obtuse surge
blackdragon alt
nocturne flax
but im online
daring pilot
Could also be cryo
atomic escarp
but im online
hey man get i get the full image of your pfp
obtuse surge
i think they should add chargeup to the bullpup
prisma zodiac
0.5 sec per bullet pls
half hornet
My guilty pleasure loadout has been bullpup and precision rifle for a while now
Based and range pilled
fallow wasp
I wonder how good bull and precision rifle are in the new update
Hey listen pea shooters are pretty good against zombies so sleepers are only a few steps away
prisma zodiac
bullpup is meh to ok
precision is fine
livid heath
I wonder how good bull and precision rifle are in the new update
Decent now
half hornet
I wonder how good bull and precision rifle are in the new update
They're fine now.
PR can solo a wave if you can nail every headshot. Or at least reduce population by a lot.
BP is just normal now. Not unreasonably stupid.
fresh bronze
Hey listen pea shooters are pretty good against zombies so sleepers are only a f...
is that a fucking obscure ass plants vs zombies reference
fallow wasp
Sorry I just love referencing obscure games nobody has heard of
fresh bronze
Sorry I just love referencing obscure games nobody has heard of
the game aint obscure its just there is no way in hell i would have picked up on that if i wasnt 35 hours without sleep
plain saddle
You want the numbers? The numbers: #wiki-chat message
fallow wasp
No way man, PvZ is like a 0.1% know rate
fresh bronze
No way man, PvZ is like a 0.1% know rate
dont fucking gaslight me rn because i might fucking believe you
fallow wasp
Ah, so sorry!
fresh bronze
oh it only has 300k copies sold
daring pilot
Super well known tho
nocturne flax
hey man get i get the full image of your pfp
its corn
plush basin
fuckin everyone knows pvz
Protoss vs Zerg?
half hornet
Listen.
Is there any reason for BC to even have the wind up charge anymore
It will not break the gun if we were to remove it, surely?
atomic escarp
this is an artek moment of all time
half hornet
It's literally an annoyance for the sake of annoyance.
prisma zodiac
what
tough atlas
It's not an Artek take
half hornet
The gun's fucked as it is
tough atlas
Until he mentions another game
daring pilot
no it’s the only thing keeping BC from being insanely broken hello?
olive shoal
i think this artek guy is onto something real big
silent kettle
Gerz
daring pilot
you literally woke up Ellda
olive shoal
hi rick
silent kettle
S tier am i right
olive shoal
yes
plush basin
Its just annoying for beginners right, once you're used to the charge up its the same anyway
silent kettle
no not the gun
tough atlas
Its just annoying for beginners right, once you're used to the charge up its the...
A medieval castle, an F-16, what's the difference?
They both have a lot of gray on them
Doom is like Witcher 3 with shotguns
C&C Generals is like CoD:4 but seen from above
plush basin
They both have a lot of gray on them
thats not a difference thats a similarity
west crow
Is there any reason for BC to even have the wind up charge anymore
I agree artek, I think the chargeup is pointless
half hornet
I don't hear arguments.
mental saddle
why stop at BC? let's remove windup for every gun that has it
fallow wasp
Let’s make every weapon viable by making it a purely cosmetic change
plain saddle
Players should definitely have access to 110 damage immediately without any concessions
fallow wasp
Every weapon is now rifle and machine gun
mental saddle
let's set reload times to all be the same so we have no weapon variation and balance is no longer an issue
plain saddle
Yo we fixed weapon balance omg you're a genius
half hornet
I still don't hear actual arguments.
mental saddle
"I don't think it will be broken" isn't exactly a sound argument either imo
atomic escarp
I still don't hear actual arguments.
you're clearly deaf
half hornet
Alright, paint me a picture where its broken. That's all you need.
plush basin
I still don't hear actual arguments.
gun balance is largely vibe based
prisma zodiac
extremely easy to control with no charge up
half hornet
Fairly certain the gun has a cooldown between shots as it is. Damn trigger just doesn't respond for like a second.
daring pilot
Fairly certain the gun has a cooldown between shots as it is. Damn trigger just ...
Yeah, and for good reason
half hornet
Right.
plain saddle
*burst delay of 0.3
half hornet
So that's 2 delays.
prisma zodiac
artek
half hornet
Why
prisma zodiac
burst cannon is the best weapon in the game rn
half hornet
That's sadism
daring pilot
It would still be incredibly broken
mental saddle
so you want to buff BC to fire like OG hel-gun?
