gtfo-spoiler-chat

[half hornet]

just dislike walking blind in random ass caves filled with enemies

[atomic escarp]

You get used to it

Maybe

[half hornet]

its been 5 rundowns mate, this train has left the station

[kind swan]

Alone. In the fog. Surrounded. 99% infection.

Gaming time.

[atomic escarp]

Wait for the next one 😇

dies to a spitter

[pliant pasture]

i will take infectious fog over spitters 7 days a week

[half hornet]

Dead.

Wiped in the main scan.

[kind swan]

[half hornet]

turrets run out of ammo immediately and i think i downed 2 of the bots myself while spraying Arbalist

[kind swan]

OG Spitter population vs Alts. It's so sad.

[atomic escarp]

Status of resources?

[half hornet]

Of course it was chargers

[atomic escarp]

Shotgun sentries the top door they ain't getting through

[pliant pasture]

we stan our lord and savior funneling

[tough badger]

r5 is chargers (almost) all the way down

[half hornet]

I post LFG - no one joins.
I scan LFG - no one plays the levels i need.
I play solo giving up sec objectives - i die anyway.

R5 is allergic to being beaten. The apparel remains unclaimed.

its not even good apparel, its some lazy recolours

[deft kiln]

What level do you need

[half hornet]

Everything past R5B2. B3, B4, C1 at the moment. Not that it matters - i'm going to sleep anyway.

As my work schedule currently stands i get exactly enough time to take 1 shot at a random level after work, otherwise its just dedicated weekends.

[daring pilot]

C1 main with bots is very doable

[atomic escarp]

Can help you out tomorrow if you want

[half hornet]

I appreciate the offer and might take you on it, provided i will be able to scrap some free time. Same time tomorrow.

[atomic escarp]

Can play 5pm till 10pm gmt+1 then I'm. On baby sitting duty

[coarse berry]

some of them go hard as fuck

The dragonscale armor + tactical pants in camo, the santonian palette

[kind swan]

Doesn't change that it is a lazy recolor

[fringe surge]

I'm willing to help out if I get time to

Overload 6 is the nicest palette so far

destination and the new black n white one are nice too

[ruby void]

C-Form Grenade going through the wall

[livid heath]

We know

The “floor” exists for a reason

[real moss]

We can just create a new channel: "help Artek through R5" that way ez teammate find

[pliant pasture]

honestly, the no lfg in text chats seems to be a rule exclusively to blight Artek. if he got his groups from the people who give him advice and offer help he would have cleared long ago

[half hornet]

If they wanted to play the would be scanning LFG anyway. Maybe I'm just unlucky with time zones.

I'll probably have a better luck on the weekend, since that's when activity should really pick up.

This game is very hard to be played on work days because time dedication it requires is pretty hefty. Especially PEs... Hour long clear times, oh baby.

[livid heath]

pley when

[pliant pasture]

good question, lemme check

[west crow]

He won't play with me

[livid heath]

who?

[pliant pasture]

not everyone is willing to take the devil's bargain for clears

[livid heath]

[pliant pasture]

Artek

[livid heath]

do ping me on replies

but serrsly when pley?

[pliant pasture]

what time is it for you?

[livid heath]

rn its 10:20 PM

are you free next week?

[pliant pasture]

in burger evenings

on Monday, Maybe Tuesday

[livid heath]

anytime is a-okay for me

[pliant pasture]

guuccciii

[west crow]

https://youtu.be/bdUl5DqoXq0

[half hornet]

"You're clearing
You're clearing
You're winning, alright...
I hope you're satisfied"

• probably Beep downing me on extraction scan after soloing the level by himself, somehow

[real moss]

I wouldn't mind playing. but the times need to align m8

[pliant pasture]

for being in RU he sure does play in US evening

[real moss]

I ain't in US. I am sleeping when he plays. Altho my GTFO sabbatical is probably not helping either as I do not look in lfg channels

[fallow wasp]

Man, last night I went through R5C3 Sec and two different people DCed with no explanation and left the chat.

One of them even left with a 4 use ammo pack

Fortunately the people who took their place were proficient gamers and we squeezed out a fair extraction.

[atomic escarp]

@half hornetim free to out

[half hornet]

My shifts ends 4 hours from now on + commute for extra half

You can just round it up to 5

This month I'm on late shift duty of 14:30 - 23:00

[atomic escarp]

well thats about the time i do my own "shift"

oof

[half hornet]

Yep

Wait, you work on weekends?

[atomic escarp]

not a real job, my aunts are here and they brought kids

someone has to watch those kids and its only me

[half hornet]

Real shit

[atomic escarp]

if u wanna split the baby sitting duty ill be more than happy

[half hornet]

I'll leave children to professionals. Besides that's a way more important job.

[atomic escarp]

ill pay with good words

[half hornet]

Ironically I have a degree in pedagogy, but I just... I can't catch a wave with them, they're too alien to me.

[atomic escarp]

😂

thats fair

[livid heath]

I never sleep

Always in the hunt for this mf

[winter wharf]

OG r2e1

that is where the rare creature lives

[livid heath]

Shite

Now i have to dig back

[winter wharf]

can probably find it anywhere in og r1/r2 tbh, but I remember seeing it more on r2e1 because playing that level a bunch + the alarms

[nocturne flax]

Back then enemies would be invulnerable on ladders

But could take damage

[winter wharf]

my favourite mechanic

[nocturne flax]

So if you shot a sleeper going down a ladder and overkill him

You get leggsie

Probably my fsvorite bug in this game

[winter wharf]

boy I sure do love getting shit scan spots on r4e1 for the surge and fucking dying (it's hard as 2 people)

[nocturne flax]

Very fun moments and laughs thanks to it

[wary olive]

just got told to not bring hel revolver to r2e1 because i need more clearing power thats why we died 1st surge

😦

[real moss]

Ban them

[half hornet]

wheezing

[pliant pasture]

lol

lmao

shoulda brought bullpup smh my head

[livid heath]

Heh

Certified Ryk momento x2

[winter wharf]

if you need clearing power for 1st surge then you are clinically insane

path + stagger is all you need

[atomic escarp]

shotgun sentries but people will call me insane

[real moss]

Not tonite. tomorrow it will be 33 Celsius here so for now we are brothers in suffering

[half hornet]

Meanwhile we got hit by a storm

Relatively weak one, but still

The joys of living in the middle of eurasia

[fresh bronze]

Gonna max out around 45 C in a few days

33 c is comfy weather compared to the hell on earth im in atm

This year is fuckin hot kek

[nocturne flax]

people often dont know how to use sentries and just think something its worthless because they missused

shotgun sentry its one of the best sentries out there

[half hornet]

It's pretty mean in corners and tight corridors. The problem is finding them and then making sure bioman got enough range to work with.

Not a problem with a bot though...

[nocturne flax]

it doesnt need tight corridors or corners

thats just optimizing

just use clear line of sight

optimizing sentry spot its the main reason why people fail at placing sentries

[real moss]

You on you own

[nocturne flax]

you just need two main things for sentry placement
1-to be out of the way to prevent friendly fire or in a spot where it will not bother
2-clear line of sight of the enemy

nothing more nothing else

[real moss]

Charger_Dragon is right. shotty sentry still poo poo tho

[nocturne flax]

i dont know what ss your using but in my experience that shit slaps

[atomic escarp]

its averaging 40Cs here just hold on tight brudda

[nocturne flax]

Average south american weather

[real moss]

I'm just a pale whitey m8

[atomic escarp]

im whitey just like you

[real moss]

do you know how f'd I am when we go to my wife's country?

[atomic escarp]

since the new buff ive been taking it 99% of the time

they trickle enemies if not outright kill em quick

[atomic escarp]

no but i can only imagine

[real moss]

lobster red

[atomic escarp]

ive had some times where 1 shoty sentry soloed most of the class 5 enemies

pretty good stuff

[atomic escarp]

you need to spend a summer in here it'll toast you real nice then you're prepared

[real moss]

We might one day. My brother is doing Tunisia this summer

[atomic escarp]

how long u stayin?

or he

[fresh bronze]

downsides of living so damn close to the hottest place on earth eh

[real moss]

2 weeks I think

[atomic escarp]

thats more than enough, hope you enjoy your stay/his

[calm coral]

lemme guess, it used 80% of its ammo?😭

two bursts can almost solo the class 10 diminished on R5D2

(I hate burst sentry)

[real moss]

I'm not going m8, my daughter is scheduled for over 2 weeks. you think I got time to play in tunisia 😅

I'll tell him to enjoy

and recolonize

[calm coral]

that’s not entirely true

sentries usually start shooting outside of their falloff range

[atomic escarp]

another victim of life obligations 🙏

[calm coral]

for optimal ammo efficiency they should be placed in a way which allows them to only deal full damage per bullet and still keep firing

[real moss]

Oh I don't mind this one

[calm coral]

also sniper sentry has 5 pierce

[atomic escarp]

fair enough

[atomic escarp]

5 pierce?

[calm coral]

wait actually

is that only in modded?

I thought it had pierce

[atomic escarp]

you been playin lotsa modded aintcha

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-26050971

[calm coral]

I mean usually anything in a modded rundown which is from vanilla has either their current stats or stats from whenever the mod was made

so if sniper sentry does not have pierce now I’m guessing it used to?

sniper sentry isn’t what it used to be smh

R4 sniper sentry was something else

[atomic escarp]

dunno what it was so cant say much

[nocturne flax]

i didnt speak anything about falloff

[calm coral]

fair fair

[nocturne flax]

i said you dont need to micromanage your sentry

thats it

[calm coral]

oh I read it as a “these are the only two things that matter”

[nocturne flax]

you stupid

whats 9+10

[calm coral]

wait

you said nothing more nothing less

👀👀

i not stoopid

[atomic escarp]

21

[nocturne flax]

bruh

[calm coral]

I mean

doesn’t matter

usually it’s too minor to take into account

optimisation 😎

[nocturne flax]

never in the history of ever i said to myself

yo this gonna hit the falloff

[atomic escarp]

you gotta know where u placing your shotties else they suck all the dongers

[calm coral]

only shotgun sentries basically

[nocturne flax]

i mean thats just me

not like the damage gonna affect my holding

[calm coral]

but the fact is that back facing sentries still do (slightly) better damage even though the back damage was removed because they rarely hit outside of their falloff

[nocturne flax]

gotta rush the circle anyways

[calm coral]

might kill a few more over time but too few to really make a difference

it’s not like it’s gonna change a fail to a hold or anything

[nocturne flax]

but the sentry killing its not faloff

[calm coral]

it’s just a little thing I like to think about

[nocturne flax]

its literally line of sight

your position matters more than your falloff

[atomic escarp]

the moment they see a pixel of an enemy they start shootin especially round corners

[calm coral]

yeah but as long as the sentry is shooting non stop it doesn’t matter

[atomic escarp]

they waste some ammo there

true but could be lil bit better

just a tiny bit

[calm coral]

that doesn’t happen with back facing sentries as much though

since they run past the sentry and get shot in the back so the sentry does not see them come around the corner

[atomic escarp]

id rather not do that and get clipped by it

[calm coral]

back facing sentries are less practical when you’re in a rush though

oh and that

they could technically speaking shoot you

[atomic escarp]

i tried that in r2e1 and they clipped me from across the room going from 70ish to 40ish

[nocturne flax]

who puts sentries facing youself anymore?

thats so 2020 😭

[calm coral]

but especially a shotgun sentry should probably be back facing because it will start to shoot at a range where it does like a quarter of its damage because of pellet spread and damage falloff

so if there’s not a continuous wave of enemies it will waste some ammo every time a wave starts to come past

[atomic escarp]

diminished and surge alarms they shine the most

[calm coral]

that’s for all sentries honestly

because the wave is continuous

as good as

[atomic escarp]

shotgun has no downtime while the others do (auto excluded)

[calm coral]

mhm

I like auto

it’s genuinely my favourite sentry

it’s a shame people start yelling at you when you try to pick it

[atomic escarp]

play with bots you'll get that sorted out

[real moss]

get yourself sorted out

[atomic escarp]

at the point of no return

[real moss]

good

Just a little bit more

[atomic escarp]

thats not a good advice

[real moss]

What it's not advice

[atomic escarp]

where do u classify it then

[lyric harbor]

holup the back damage from sentries was removed?

[real moss]

Hello!! 2021 wants it's question back

[real moss]

As a strategy

[atomic escarp]

questionable

[real moss]

We'll see

[lyric harbor]

damn I just scrolled over and learned a new thing, well shit lol

[kind swan]

[shrewd oracle]

How bout the Chinese shotgun sentry?

[robust pike]

So me and 2 of my buds tried to run r4c2 with a bot, pulling 2 surges as you do... and the damn bot WOULD NOT step onto a scan. Sorry for the rant...super tilted... coust us the run.

[atomic escarp]

That happens sometimes, when it do just kick the bot until you're done with the scans best thing U can do at that time

[fresh bronze]

bots pull shit like that a lot

the fact they must be in a team scan is shitty

[atomic escarp]

@dry dagger

[nocturne flax]

I can hear the 8 mines you planted for that tank

[atomic escarp]

13

[nocturne flax]

That tank blew up fr fr

Homeboy didnt even ragdoll after death he just dissapeared 😭 thats 13 mines my guy

[atomic escarp]

If it wasn't a pain in the behind to deal with tank and have to clear a room with a scout whomst I triggered and full of chargers then a zone of chargers and a class 4 or 5 of chargers while also dealing with error of chargers and extract error of more chargers I need my bots healthy

[atomic escarp]

Frustration of failing 3 times in a row

[dry dagger]

We tried mine cheese but didn't work, so we killed it m a n u a l l y

it never works.......

[dry dagger]

We actually woke the room inside Main bc scout was in a really bad spot (like all the way in the back) and ran back into Extreme. I actually ran towards scout wave bc that's waay less scary than what's in the room. Extreme door has a good funnel spot as well.

[atomic escarp]

yeah very not fun experience

[calm coral]

chinese sniper sentry is better

[calm coral]

bots trying to revive eachother while in a horde of chargers:

[livid heath]

It is

[tough atlas]

The same that insist to put the sentries outside the door with the door closed

[livid heath]

Omg beepo

[tough atlas]

I've the theory that there's some video/guide of some hack doing that shit because at this point it goes beyond "bad word of mouth" phase

[deft kiln]

I place sniper sentries so they become stage hazard

[nocturne flax]

Yeah but that have a meaning behind it

[deft kiln]

Werid that we call purposeful throwing a meaning but

I can run with that

[nocturne flax]

Gotta keep traditions alive and well

[nocturne flax]

It does have meaning

It means your a menace

[tough atlas]

Which are the levels that bork if you've an FX-8000? R2B4,R4A2 and?

[real moss]

If you have an fx-8000 you better of just playing patience

[prisma zodiac]

Some people forget about it not being good and then come up with it again and again

Usually cuz „it makes the door last longer“ (it doesnt)

[hexed vapor]

It's definitely always been a strategy that seems like it would be good.

It just also isn't.

Even back in the day, it wasn't really until R3 that people started to find reasons not to like it.

[plain saddle]

4 auto sentries on far side of door and they actually never hit it

At least when "they" is a single tank

Excellent meme way to kill a tank

[calm coral]

that’s usually terrible though

[calm coral]

it makes the door last longer if you have outer door mined and inner door foamed and sentry

mine will leave stragglers

sentry picks off stragglers

next wave starts hitting on door later

[prisma zodiac]

rare situation, and in many cases sentry wont even do enough sadly

a single giant spawn also fucks it

[calm coral]

depends on sentry

[hexed vapor]

You should just mine inner door and do the same thing on that door.

[calm coral]

for behind door I prefer sniper

[calm coral]

mining both outer and inner door sucks

[hexed vapor]

Mine just inner.

[calm coral]

inner door will get minimal value

yeah that’s good

that’s what people usually do

I’m just saying there is still a use case for sentry behind door

albeit rare

either mine inner or mine both with sentry behind door

depending on how much tool overhead you have

imagine having two doors in any level above C tier though 💀

[shrewd oracle]

Grogu starting ww 3

[jade willow]

And of course you can sentry outside when using doors to kill off blood doors.

[tough atlas]

It is, that's the point, it's terrible but it comes up a lot on newbie pugs

[calm coral]

newbies checking starter tutorials from 2020 when back damage existed:

sad truths

[tough atlas]

yeah that's part of the issue

[calm coral]

I mean making a starter tutorial now is less appealing so whatever is around is outdated

[tough atlas]

By the way, what about the "officially" endorsed guide with classes and other cringe stuff? That ever got addressed?

[calm coral]

wait that exists?

on wiki

[tough atlas]

Calle or someone endorsed a guide from steam's guide section about GTFO that had wrong info, bad info, misleading info, and "classes"

[calm coral]

oh help

I mean watch dev streams then tell me if they know how the game works :)

[tough atlas]

I cant even access that guide again

I think it was the one posted here #community-news message

[calm coral]

hey at least the guide isnt there anymore

[tough atlas]

#gtfo-chat message

[real moss]

m8 there is so much misinformation. because the people that make the guides generally have played very little of the game. One of the most watched GTFO vids out there says you should basically never take mines as they are bad (proceeds to show clip of mine in the open)

[tough atlas]

beep's comment is too funny

[tough atlas]

I remember the guy saying that he'll correct stuff and whatnot

But apparently no.

[calm coral]

wait mines arent supposed to be placed toward you?

shiii

[tough atlas]

Why are they called "mines" then?

[real moss]

ah yes that one 😅 I was screaming at my screen cause he said spear was good

[calm coral]

exactly

theyre like

mine

[real moss]

deleting was easier

[calm coral]

also spear good because stab

stab stab

obviously hammer is just a tool

hitting sentry with hammer upgrades it

like overwatch

[real moss]

today I saw a dude in steam discussions saying you need two auto sentries for the first R1A1 alarm .... like what are those strats !!!!!!!

[tough atlas]

It's that they are stuck on a map, do it like 10 times, finish it with one "tactic" and interpret that as "the solution"

[real moss]

I know exactly now who are the people I need to take away the right to vote from

[real moss]

they are clowns

they should be shunned into the woods and forced to live as subhumans

ok ok I got my coffee, am calm now

[prisma zodiac]

the steam guide person actually corrected a bunch of things

dunno why it is deleted tho

(obviously classes were oof, but thats just a personal touch that shouldnt matter too much)

[prisma zodiac]

bullpup, spear and pistol rly stronk!

[livid heath]

where?

[sturdy frigate]

why did i have this black stain on my visor ? i played for almost 200h and never had it. It disappeared progressivly almost as if it was intended after 1 min

[winter wharf]

It's a bug

[sturdy frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734508477426302977/1127238427117621318/GTFO_2022-02-06_13-47-49.mp4 this also

[winter wharf]

Same bug

[sturdy frigate]

ok thx

[kind swan]

The abyss presence is opening

[livid heath]

Ah yes

The void closes

And will you hold fast?

Or consumed

[calm coral]

pov: the ikea cashier’s soul being consumed by the great old one of darkness (I tried to pronounce the name of a table)

[half hornet]

FInally, some progress... 3 levels down.
R5B4 was... Very reminiscent.

[fallow wasp]

A good level I say, r5b4

Really shows the value of the mine deployer

[half hornet]

When was it added again?

And yeah, that shit proved to be OP on that level

Saves so much goddamn ammo

[fallow wasp]

So you’re on c levels now?

Or do you still need to conquer the Bs

[half hornet]

B3 got left behind, and C1 is done, i'll try the rest tomorrow

[fallow wasp]

Dubious

[atomic escarp]

C2 n c3 will take you on a nice spin round the house

D1 is manageable unless you wanna take at least 2 hrs to do secondary as well

D2 should be easy enough provided that your way to code 3 is not too crowded and also not get stuck on the stairs

[real moss]

D1sec really do be an extra level

[atomic escarp]

A whole chapter

[real moss]

A whole rundown, hidden in a level

[atomic escarp]

2nd worse secondary of all time

[real moss]

incredible really

[atomic escarp]

Re spawn Shadows
Charger scouts
Class 5 or 6 S alarm
More charger scouts
Chargers
Tank
Cell
Surge S class 1
Pmom
Stealth zone for turbine with more shadows
Then you get to do whet you originally came to do which in itself was a journey

[real moss]

Great innit?

[atomic escarp]

Sweet 😘🤌🤌🤌

[half hornet]

Wait, only one of Cs had a PE right?

Which one?

[atomic escarp]

C2

Ovl Arena and sex reactor

[fringe surge]

I know all gtfo levels can be done without supply eff
But can r5 e1 cell skip be done without eff boosters?

[narrow gulch]

ye

[fringe surge]

It doesnt seem like you have enough ammo for the stealth area clears

Especially if both birthers get to spawn

[winter wharf]

you have enough ammo

it's just a bit tight until you get through to hub

[fringe surge]

Oh ok

Ty

[winter wharf]

trio cell skip (in OG) has been done before, not sure about ALT
don't think anyone's ever done cell skip duo though

[fringe surge]

I assume you have to melee the error to save ammo?

[winter wharf]

you can melee most of the error iirc, you can still shoot it a bit from what I remember

[narrow gulch]

you melee as long as things dont escalate

[deft kiln]

You can shoot every wave

But you can go slow if you do

[deft kiln]

Duo if def possible in alt

Probs ducked tho

[atomic escarp]

I'll be waiting for rayalot to duo then

[half hornet]

Alright, that's the one i did then.

[atomic escarp]

C3 is boring n somewhat long if u do secondary then whole lotsa trouble

[deft kiln]

Tbh after doing it a few times

With players that know what is up you can make it past charger tank zone with 60% on every one for ammo

[prisma zodiac]

Charger zone? Whats that

I only know giant cap :^ )
jk lol

Jish, do you know whether the the mom spawns in mom zone are static?

[deft kiln]

They are

[deft kiln]

In info server I made line ups for where you can shoot and not pull mom number 1

From either side

[prisma zodiac]

btw cant we use terminal skip on the 2 terminals in the end?

[deft kiln]

like

list a?

[deft kiln]

also it is just the one terminal

the deactive alarm term doesnt spawn unless you do the giant error

[prisma zodiac]

ah right and you dont actually start that right

[last gust]

we experimented with sentry behind door in a duo recently

r5b3, scan to crack secondary door

we had mined the small door, but behind small door was the only place we could get sniper sentry a decent sightline

as it turned out, we pinged the first wave and ended up watching sniper sentry clean nearly all of it up while we did scans

most of the time I think it's still just worse than a sentry funnel, but duo doing a low-class alarm in fog with chargers coming could be decent?

[deft kiln]

sentey behind door isnt always awful.

it isnt the best use of tool

and if you are gonna place the sentry there the door is probs better off opened until

[last gust]

most levels have too much tool imo

but yeah under normal circumstances it's hard to imagine not just funnelling

[calm coral]

*with infect fog

are R4E1 sec mother spawns static?

[wary olive]

the amount yes, location no

they will always be in the same room though, just not always in the same spot in that room

[calm coral]

eh that’s pretty standard though because it’s a full zone room

[wary olive]

some maps have fixed spawn locations

like r6d3 tank room for the dude in the middle

but yeah nothing special about the mom zone

[nocturne flax]

They really gotta use fix spawns a lot more

Rng really affects difficulty on some sections

[wary olive]

fix the spawn location so we can burst cannon through the crack every time

[calm coral]

I heard mom spawns on R5E1 first stealth zone are fixed

[wary olive]

[calm coral]

which makes cell skip a lot less rng

[calm coral]

me when pmom on stairs in R7E1

[deft kiln]

Only cell skip rng is 6 ammo use or 5 ammo use

And first surge scans

[calm coral]

this one yeah

luckily it’s like 4-5 mins to get to surge

but you can get it right at the door and you’re basically screwed

[deft kiln]

There is no rng that is unplayable but it’s difficulty is widely variable

[atomic escarp]

hi wishjasha

[livid heath]

Yo jish

You free Tuesday?

I need R5E1 still

Havent got my head over the times ive failed mid game already

[atomic escarp]

haha funni level

[livid heath]

What funni level

Splain this funni level in particular

[solar pecan]

💪🏻 🤝

[fallow wasp]

Was R5C1 sec originally a shadow surge alarm for the extract?

[bold widget]

Devs

Where gtfo sex update

[livid heath]

Never

Sadly

But look on the bright side

We have modders

[bold widget]

i want a gtfo dating sim game

i wanna like date the giant strikers

[last gust]

was always 1 shadow giant per wave

there has never been a surge in r5c1 to my knowledge, OG or alt

the main change is that now after 2nd uplink the error wave is 5 shadows

with chance of a charger

used to be 4 regulars

[atomic escarp]

there is a place for that

its gen chat

[pliant pasture]

Shadow Scout San is so shy, I hope they pick me

👉👈

[pliant pasture]

lol ya

[twin dirge]

I'd sex you

[fringe surge]

The error for r4 D2s overload

Is it like 6 shadows per wave?

In my last few attempts there has not been a singular break between the waves
They just keep coming through on both sides

I was wondering if that was desync or silent spawns

[nocturne flax]

its like 4 if i remember tcorrectly

they just spawn fast

jusut push with the objective until you have all the shadows behind you

[fringe surge]

That's the neat part

they spawn infront

[nocturne flax]

kill them

[fringe surge]

We did

[nocturne flax]

keep doing it

[fringe surge]

And we do it fairly quickly but the other wave is just right thsre lol

[nocturne flax]

until they're all behind

legit

[fringe surge]

I see

[twin dirge]

spawn slow*

[fringe surge]

Hmm

Guess we won't go for the turbine this time

[nocturne flax]

turbine its good?

you save a lot of health

and turbine zone got lots of ammo too

[twin dirge]

who needs health

when infinite regen to 20

[nocturne flax]

me because i dont wanna hear my guy fucking having his nose stuck with green goo

[fringe surge]

Turbine is good while we go bzck and search for stuff
But for the error you might aswell have 3 people shoot

[twin dirge]

sounds like a you issue

[fringe surge]

Atleast thats what i think

[nocturne flax]

it is not that bad

unless the biotracker user its lacking

then you wont really struggle

[twin dirge]

imagine relying on bio to aim

[tough atlas]

It wouldn't surprise me if sometimes something gets fucked up and the waves get much harsher for no real reason

On one of my tries every enemy spawned behind and we just foamed the shit out of the chokepoints

never saw a shadow after the first 3 waves

[real moss]

where the shadows spawn has alwasy been RNG

so you can get good or bad

[deft kiln]

Tbh they could have set the wave up differently to make it more consistent in feeling

Setting it to spawn groups with a 100% chance of changing direction every time a group spawns means you will get one “good” wave then one “bad” one

[half hornet]

So about that R5-D1... I assume its long?

Took an hour and still didn't saw the reactor before the wipe

[daring pilot]

Very

[deft kiln]

R5d1 can take about an hour when you know what you are doing

[atomic escarp]

main is fine, secondary is a whole boring process

[tough badger]

Nah, main is giga padded

[pliant pasture]

yaa, whole level is doo doo, and secondary is a second level off doo doo

[atomic escarp]

if you know the lvl properly u wont have do deal with much

[livid heath]

Hehe

Doo doo

[dry dagger]

@atomic escarp You have a R5D2 bot completion?

[atomic escarp]

i was going to have one but power outage

twice matter of fact

[dry dagger]

Been trying for one the past week or so and honestly it's not that bad except for code hunting. There's just so many giants to shoot and banking on the bots to suppress fire with you isn't viable.

Like legit the 2nd code hunt is the hardest part.

[atomic escarp]

sniper is your best chance

also the success is getting code 3 with lil hassle

once u get code 2 rest should be smooth

if you have a good way to code 3

[dry dagger]

Sniper for gun or senrty or both?

[atomic escarp]

sniper rifle for you

sniper sentry for bots

[dry dagger]

Yeah that sounds right. Sniper is really skill-sensitive though bc missing hurts.

I know this is preference, but what would you take for primary?

[atomic escarp]

pdw

thermal too good for r5d2

[dry dagger]

Yeah? Even though you're gonna pull the rooms?

[atomic escarp]

Only the 3 adjacent ones to the first scan

The rest I will try to avoid pulling unless I absolutely have to

[broken charm]

where do you usually defend at the 3rd wave ?

my way is rush to the respawn room, get pass the bridge and pull the room

[atomic escarp]

By the small security door leading to respawn zone

[broken charm]

and hope the rng is good

[atomic escarp]

You should have enough time to clear the wave and sneak to the other door without waking up anything if your rng is good

But I usually scout first before I proceed with the lvl

[broken charm]

yeah i kinda wonder if my way was was wrong the whole time

was thinking about not pulling the respawn room and let 1 person sneak into

[atomic escarp]

The scan is a full team one

So you need everyone

[atomic escarp]

You can pull if you think you won't have time to do a wave in that scuffed spot so pull run for the door and clear enemies before you go in

[broken charm]

that's what i usually do

so sneak into the respawn room is not an option

[atomic escarp]

Just bring everyone should be easy

[atomic escarp]

If your way to the door is clear then you can and defend inside the zone

[broken charm]

yeah i know that part

just pull the room, stay behind the door and defend there

1 person go inside and get the code

sometimes there's giants in the fog

that's not good for me LOL

[atomic escarp]

You should have done total of 3 restarts in wave 3

[atomic escarp]

Foggies and sniper pop pop pop move in

[broken charm]

idk if it's around 3 restarts

maybe 4 actually

lots of BBCs in that terminal area

and the scout...

some people i played with want to pull that charger room

i think it's much better to avoid pulling them

[atomic escarp]

Yeah save ammo for wave 4 and escape

[pulsar grotto]

Anyone else crashing in R5B1 overload during reactor waves or just me?

I crashed twice during separate attempts, then another guy crashed shortly after my 2nd crash

Also on that same topic, what you think is best weapon loadouts for r5b1, currently been trying HEL Shotgun and Choke Mod, might try HEL Rifle

[atomic escarp]

hel rifle is good, line up enemies and 🎯

and for the crash im not sure

[half hornet]

Had some guy crashing up a storm on R5B4

He reduced graphics and it stopped. Consider the same.

[half hornet]

^

I think R5 levels might be a bit too big and don't fit into RAM

The guy had 16 GB

I play on half textures because it saves me a lot of performance

[velvet linden]

this is false

[atomic escarp]

i apologize jish

[pliant pasture]

thank you jish for gatekeeping and being mean to us.

[deft kiln]

D:

[pulsar grotto]

Hmm, will try this

[half heart]

I cant rmember does R7 have any surges?

Like even R6 had surges that i rememver but i dint remember any if R7

[real moss]

no

[atomic escarp]

no and its quite a let down

[half heart]

Sadge

[real moss]

Like why not a surge R7C2 first alarm for example

Or R7D1

to make it more fun

[atomic escarp]

class X surge charger alarm

[real moss]

now we talking !

[daring pilot]

R7 has no surges or tscans

[real moss]

1 Tscan

[daring pilot]

No

That shit does not count

[atomic escarp]

stay mad

[daring pilot]

I will

[atomic escarp]

good

[daring pilot]

:(

[atomic escarp]

now go do your main objective only bot runs

[daring pilot]

when have I done that other than R5C1

[atomic escarp]

idk but i just wanted to say something

[real moss]

It does !

[daring pilot]

No

You can’t take the fun tscans we had in R6

De-team them

Make them scale to 1 player

And then make them basically obsolete

[real moss]

I will even say better: they just did it 😂😂

[daring pilot]

What

[daring pilot]

Confused what this means

[real moss]

You say I can't say x and I'm telling you the devs DID x

[daring pilot]

fine

But there could’ve absolutely been more effort for more tscans

[real moss]

Totally agree !

[half hornet]

Promising R5D2 run, wiped by... a nuclear desync.

Gotta love it. At least i got to shoot up a storm.

[atomic escarp]

with people?

[daring pilot]

No the bots desynced

[atomic escarp]

🤔

[daring pilot]

Oh it’s Tuesday

[atomic escarp]

im more scared of my power going out than getting my lobby boned

happened twice 2 days ago and lost r5d2 runs

[half hornet]

cute level, but i'm in complete private mode for such advanced levels

full on marine mindset: just tell me where to go and what to shoot, you solve the rest

[atomic escarp]

ill do the killing, you focus on the nerdy boring stuff

[half hornet]

as i understand its physically impossible to get the 2nd code in time?

90 seconds is just not it with all the bullshit you have to kill to get there

[atomic escarp]

yes

at least 3-4 redos

same with code 3

and maybe code 1 if u dont have one person ready at the terminal in case the spawn is bullshit

[twin dirge]

where noamnd pp

[atomic escarp]

when you leave

[wary olive]

@ruby void

wait u cant post videos here anymore?

[ruby void]

Hello

Not likely

[wary olive]

https://streamable.com/huc5ae

if you go for the double hit, host needs to hit second

the more latency between host and the person hitting the looser the timing can be

[ruby void]

Thanks!

[ruby void]

This just clean ngl

But I doubt we ever gonna have the coordination to do so

[wary olive]

its not clean at all

only possible because of 300 ms latency

[narrow gulch]

that was so long after the whip lmao

[ruby void]

Wait for real?

It looks clean

[narrow gulch]

what host not hitting does to a mf

[wary olive]

https://streamable.com/y1mikl

[deft kiln]

we would be able to do it

[wary olive]

this is what happens when host hits first

[deft kiln]

dirst try

[ruby void]

Holy fuck yea

[prisma zodiac]

Nah
2nd code you can easily 2 cycle
3 should be maximum if you do it decently

Do a 2/2 split and send sniper + bio players inside. Easy shooting gallery

[last gust]

that alarm's already pretty stacked, apparently it gave the cracked solo players (hinoki t-nenpi etc) a fair bit of trouble

if you made it a surge (and especially if you kept the current tiles) I think it'd be e1 stuff

harder than r2e1 opening for sure

[deft kiln]

Just played that alarm on the Infinite stam mod double spawns

That shit wiped us kinda crazy

[prisma zodiac]

it would be far harder

You can do r2e1 first surge without shooting much quite often

[deft kiln]

It would be a class 7 surge

Which is kinda crazy

One room distance

[prisma zodiac]

with no real nice way to kite honestly

if you add the fog rising

its probably the hardest alarm in the game if a surge

[deft kiln]

Flyer spawn In fog makes any kite very risky

[wary olive]

how close to a flyer surge was prenerf r6d2 extreme

[prisma zodiac]

i think quite closely?

post nerf post buff it was already spawning them quickly again and that was still nerfed on it

[calm coral]

If you’re not against installing a mod client: There are great “playgrounds” around which you can use to practice this with a friend

you can also just load into R7D2

the timing isn’t actually that strict

R6 had A LOT of surges

including a surge error on D4 as far as I can remember

until extraction

the R6 D levels are peak game design

R6 in general is such a good rundown if you ask me

it’s a shame some of the levels were really buggy

[real moss]

R6D3PE end, R6D4 first alarm and R6D4 end that's 3 surges.......

[calm coral]

sure felt like more

[real moss]

R2E1 has more than that

[calm coral]

yeah true

[real moss]

nostalgia cloud

[calm coral]

hell even R4C2 has the same amount

[calm coral]

rral

real

[real moss]

R6 was weak with exception of 3 levels. D2, D3PE and D4

[real moss]

yep

[real moss]

still more than the 0 in R7 😂

[tough atlas]

By contract with DJDNA, every Rundown needs to have a Surge

😄

[real moss]

Nah R7 proves you can be harder without surges.

As R7 is harder than R6

[calm coral]

you mean in terms of difficulty?

[tough atlas]

No he means in terms or arm-wrestling tier

[calm coral]

because I actually thought the rundown was really good

yes it’s easy

but the amount of effort

pretty great

I liked R6C2 as well

hybrid error and all

[tough atlas]

R5-chan has a lot more definition on her biceps

[calm coral]

R5-chan is goated because it’s actually hard

oh and R5E1 is probably the most E tier feeling E

R5C2 lowkey one of the best levels ever

[tough atlas]

I want an E-tier that is just a very long straight descent

[calm coral]

like as in

one tile laterally and you only go down?

[tough atlas]

like a single corridor going down

[calm coral]

corridor ah

[tough atlas]

multiple zones but they all have 1 corridor

[last gust]

you keep saying this false thing

[calm coral]

you mean just a straight line or actually down as in down

I would like an E tier which is like rotary stairs

just one tile big on the map

but 11 zones on top of eachother or something

[hexed vapor]

The game doesn't allow for it rn.

[calm coral]

no?

shame

I could also go for an R7D2 like E level

but more puzzly

you know those kind of mario maker levels which are just one screen puzzles?

that kind of shit except a 2-3 tile hub and all kinds of crazy shit to go with it

[last gust]

and the thing is even if you think r7 was somehow harder than r6, it hasn't really demonstrated anything about building a challenging rundown for experienced players

[prisma zodiac]

C1 was fine (if basic), honestly comparable to a lot of other C tier mains

C2 was good (better pre nerf)

C3 is def good

D2/3/4 are all very nice, DX ending is cool if good fps (otherwise meh)

[calm coral]

I don’t remember C3

what was it again

[hexed vapor]

???

[calm coral]

also DX was a lagfest

[hexed vapor]

It's the peak of the game's level design.

And has some of the best levels in the game.

[last gust]

kind of a different point

[calm coral]

I’d like more D levels in R7 though

[hexed vapor]

R7D1 does even it out I guess, so fair.

[last gust]

I agree with this in part, but I also just think later rundowns have higher level design quality in general

[prisma zodiac]

R7D1 isnt bad actually

R7D1 is honestly one of the more interesting ones in design

its just a buggy mess

[hexed vapor]

It's like when Ludvig said the community wasn't ready for R2E1.

[last gust]

but dj's kinda going around perpetuating this "ah r7, finally a challenging rundown after that r6 trash", which I think is some mega cope

[hexed vapor]

We're not ready for R7D1.

[prisma zodiac]

R6 was just mega downplayed after R5

[tough atlas]

I've the feeling that if you ask people who completed rundowns which ones they finished, nearly all of them finished R6

[tough atlas]

You know I kinda disagree

R6Bs are a joke

[prisma zodiac]

well duh

but that isnt where difficulty is anyhow

And they are very much comparable to say R2 B tiers

[half hornet]

R5B4 remix - survive for 30 minutes, this time with PE if you want it

[tough atlas]

I find it a bit... weird to just judge a rundown's difficulty on the later levels

Like, I get why you'd do that

[hexed vapor]

R6 just has so much ammo.

[tough atlas]

But I can't shake off that after R4 and R5 Bs, R6 and R7's really feel super-shallow

[hexed vapor]

If you know how to use it, you can just roll over everything.

[half hornet]

And what if you donjt

[last gust]

the people who hyperventilate about rundown difficulty are largely vets, who you'd think want challenging content for their own sake

[real moss]

it objectively is m8

[tough atlas]

Mayhaps because R6Bs lack sectors (only extreme in R6B2) and there isn't a B3, but it just felt so bizzare after R4-5

[hexed vapor]

Ext was significantly worse than the rest of the rundown, though.

BX unironically best level of the three.

CX okay besides Secondary.

[tough atlas]

Only map that challanged me for R6Ds were D3 PE and DX

[prisma zodiac]

And you cant in r2?

[tough atlas]

R5 has 2 Ds, one with a sector, and they both felt hard

[last gust]

I feel like at this point they've kinda just rolled the "so much ammo" into the bullet costs

[hexed vapor]

What does R2 have to do with this?

I don't think R2 is that hard.

[prisma zodiac]

huh? So you agree

R6 was downplayed (its harder than people made it seem) because it was after r5. Which skewed perception

[prisma zodiac]

i mean people legit said R1/R3 > R6 back then

some still did when r7 was only a few months old

[last gust]

we're not comparing r6 to r5 are we?

[half hornet]

The A and the Bs were pretty easy all things considered. C though...

[tough atlas]

What's there to compare it to? R1 doesn't count because R1D1 is an introduction at best, R2 has 2 Ds and only the second one could be considered "hard" (and I'm using a lot of leeway) R3D1 is interesting but that's it

[half hornet]

Still saw at least a wipe on each one of them

Including solo wipe on A1

[tough atlas]

R4 and R5 have a good bulk of Ds compared to the 5 R6 had

[hexed vapor]

I don't know any reasonable person that thought R1-R3 hadn't aged like milk, especially when most nostalgia was for R4-R5.

[prisma zodiac]

ye thats why its insane that people said those rundowns >>>>>>> R6

[last gust]

I'm having a hard time picking a map in r7 that's harder than r6d3, tbh

[prisma zodiac]

also, r2d1 in og was way tougher

[hexed vapor]

By far comparisons to R4 and R5, especially R4, were prevalent.

I dunno about OG, unless you mean pre-nerf.

[last gust]

maybe r7e1

[real moss]

that's literally the only map tho

R7D is on par with R6D

[hexed vapor]

Post-nerf R2D1 wasn't so bad, just very oppressive for the time.

[real moss]

R7C is above R6C

[prisma zodiac]

imo its a pretty obvious

R5>R4>R7>R6/R2 (e1 edging it there)>R3>>R1

[real moss]

R7B is ABOVE R6B

[hexed vapor]

R6D3 is a horrible example, that level was piss once you understood it.

[real moss]

Thanks !!!

[last gust]

I'm not trying to say r6 hard or anything like that, I'm just saying "r7 hard" is cope

[hexed vapor]

And w/ R6 Sniper, too.

[tough atlas]

R6D1 is a joke, R6D4 has like a great start then devolves into a joke, R6D2 is easy if you know what to do

[real moss]

R7 Is NOT hard

[tough atlas]

For having 5 Ds R6 really lacks

[real moss]

it's harder than R6

[prisma zodiac]

R6 is honestly gonna be the rundown thats gonna be harder in alt LOL

[real moss]

you are completely besides the point

[prisma zodiac]

it had THE best gun loadouts

no more r6 sniper, hel gun and scattergun

[last gust]

the weapons are an interesting point

[half hornet]

scattergun will be back though

[tough atlas]

If they dont get re-buffed

[half hornet]

probably nerfed, but still

[hexed vapor]

I can't respect R6D3 when it wasn't unusual for sweats to pull the double tank room intentionally.

[prisma zodiac]

1. not in its pre nerf state
2. might even get further nerfs

[hexed vapor]

It was one of the best levels, but it wasn't hard at all.

It was very carryable as well.

[prisma zodiac]

you mean hard vet groups?

[half hornet]

But yeah, R6 sniper was... nice

[prisma zodiac]

people pull r4d1 all rooms
Peope pull r5d2 all rooms

i dont see the point

[hexed vapor]

That's how those levels are designed?

The tank barracks was pretty clearly meant to be a room where if you woke it up you died, or went totally dry on ammo.

[prisma zodiac]

honestly the big issue was them handing out massive ressources after overload

when it shouldnt give much

[tough atlas]

Dont know why sweats are your metric choice, tbh

[prisma zodiac]

wdym, i also bank if a level is easy on whether hinoki and tnenpi solo it or not

[half hornet]

I mean its a valid metric within your elite circle

[prisma zodiac]

im kidding obviously

[prisma zodiac]

what no lol

[half hornet]

for an average joe (cough cough) this metric does nothing

[prisma zodiac]

remember, i do rankings for vets and beginners seperate

[hexed vapor]

Like, in comparison, R5E1 cell skip is one of the hardest routes in the game because pulling those zones is both expensive and dangerous.

[prisma zodiac]

E tier

[hexed vapor]

Tank barracks is just something you blast through.

[prisma zodiac]

and then using a harder strat

[half hornet]

I can't believe the #1 golden medalist who spent his entire life training on this one thing breezes through with no issues, who woulda thunk

[prisma zodiac]

r6d1 reactor skip was also leagues harder than standard snooze d1

[tough atlas]

And that's already not enough (not a critique to you). I've seen people hear that they "pug" games when all they do is just play with 2 friends and carry a 4th from lfg

[hexed vapor]

R6D1 reactor skip ain't hard.

[tough atlas]

That ain't playing with 3 guys you never met no matter how you spin it

[half hornet]

Agreed

[prisma zodiac]

huh

I dont rank for 1 vet who carries with 3 new guys. I do it for 4 actual similar skilled players

[half hornet]

Nomad and his buddy carry pubs just by themselves

[prisma zodiac]

… sigh

[half hornet]

All the other 2 guys have to do is to just shoot and hopefuly not miss too much

[prisma zodiac]

r5e1 cell skip isnt that hard

just play well

:^ )

man

[hexed vapor]

You're just incorrect if you think they're at all comparable.

[prisma zodiac]

r6d1 normal is highish c tier main most likely

but reactor skip is easily d tier

[tough atlas]

Doing that alarm in the full fog is hard, Ray

[prisma zodiac]

R5e1 is hard (e tier duh)
Cell skip makes it harder

[hexed vapor]

We did it in 2 pulls, while rushing instead of taking our time.

It's not hard.

[prisma zodiac]

did you do it with beginners who went down 5+ times?

[hexed vapor]

Beginners will hard int to almost anything.

[tough atlas]

I really start to have the feeling, Ray, that you want me to tell "It's easy for you because you're so GOOD!"

[prisma zodiac]

Ray is reading like a full on elitist rn

im not joking

[tough atlas]

Now the conversation is gonna devolve on how you dont give a shit whether I say that or not and we're back to square one

[hexed vapor]

Reasonably competent players can do the strat.

Most of the extra pressure is on bio.

[tough atlas]

😢 I'm not reasonably competent

[obtuse surge]

did u try tho

[tough atlas]

The inflation of Zimbabwe's bank

[prisma zodiac]

reasonably competent
can

First depends on what you mean with that. I struggled on it while playing with fireblade and nuggies at ~500 hours. I definetly was far worse than rn but already cleared all other content aside from r4e1/r5e1

Second depends on first. Can doesnt mean will

[hexed vapor]

I don't even think that my squad was that amazing in R6, we just ran it for the hell of it and barely had problems.

[prisma zodiac]

idk ray, either your take rn is
„Nothing is hard its all easy“

or

„Only 2 levels are challenging“

[tough atlas]

A couple of times with 2 guys that really wanted to try it and another dude, and we failed

[prisma zodiac]

cuz thats how it reads

[tough atlas]

I'd lie to you if I told you I tried a lot on it

Because, tbh, I didnt see the point

I did not, neither do now, have access to trying that stuff and I was missing R6D3 and R6DX

so I went for more tries on those

[hexed vapor]

The game isn't that hard, frankly, but especially the content in R6 that you'd expect to be very hardcore just wasn't.

[prisma zodiac]

why would you expext it to be hardcore

its D tiers

[hexed vapor]

YES

IT'S D-TIERS

ONE WITH PE

[prisma zodiac]

how would you compare R6D3, D2 and D4 to R4D1 and D2 and R5D2?

or r7d1 and d2?

[last gust]

but isn't this just post-r5 in general? like where did you get hardstuck in r7?

[prisma zodiac]

R5D1 imo is by far the hardest of those D tiers so i excluded it btw

[obtuse surge]

R7E1

[hexed vapor]

E1. Also first room of Overload in C2 on our first go.

[obtuse surge]

(kaneki trolled)

[last gust]

my honest guess is that the devs gave us the ammo in overload because they wanted us to be able to fight the room

[prisma zodiac]

i will give ya 1 thing
R7 level design is better for sure

[obtuse surge]

true

[tough atlas]

I dont even think R6 is hard, it's not overall, but R6D3PE is reasonably challenging

[last gust]

I think this is the first time I've heard anyone respect r7e1. Kudos for that I guess.

[hexed vapor]

Every time it has come up, I have praised the reactor.

[last gust]

also the amount of shit I've seen vets put on r7c2ov, my god

I thought it was fine

[hexed vapor]

I like almost the whole thing.

Code hunts and wave 4 especially.

[prisma zodiac]

doing it the 3/4 cell way is a lot more intense tbf

[last gust]

I think the waves were too weak. Duos should be punished for bringing dual choke mod.

but the codes weren't bad

code 4 is a moment

In general I have a weird fondness for r7e1, but it might be stockholm syndrome

fuck babysitting pablo though

[hexed vapor]

Just the Mains R6D4 or R7D2 is probably the hardest. Considering full clears, probably R4D2.

[prisma zodiac]

i dunno, i feel like r6d4 had more reasons to wipe on than r4d2pe :|

R4D2 obviously becomes a lot easier with knowledge

Gasp same as r6d3

[last gust]

I really find it weird to see people calling r7d2 hard.

like I know the whole "d2 all doors" thing

and it is an apm-fest duo

but it's incredibly straightforward and mostly just safe killing with infinite res

[calm coral]

ahhh yes I remember

was that the one with the OL long terminal scan?

[half hornet]

I mean its probably impossible to beat on first blind run with random tools (probably only one sentry), people will simply get psy-op'd and overwhelmed with crazy waves

[hexed vapor]

It throws a lot at you for a level that is otherwise straightforward. I also just don't think there's much else that's a D-tier Main that competes.

[half hornet]

Lots of time is going to be wasted on understanding what to do

[calm coral]

in terms of difficulty or unpredictability?

[hexed vapor]

Both a little.

[calm coral]

I like how it’s a D tier which will probably take you as long as a “normal” D tier but by retries instead of sheer level length (for average D tier playing groups)

[hexed vapor]

R7D1 Overload might be the hardest D-tier optional, as well, if not for being excessively cheesable.

[last gust]

bugged or non-bugged?

[calm coral]

bugged yes non bugged no

[hexed vapor]

1 Snatcher.

[half hornet]

Mind you people haven't min maxed taking them out yet

They were still a new enemy then

[last gust]

because the one time me and ahto rolled a 1snatcher error, we played horribly and were in terrible shape when we got to the charger arena, and I was thinking "surely this run is dead"

and then continued to play like ass and yet the trajectory of the run just kept recovering

convinced me that the right number of snatchers per wave is probably 2

[hexed vapor]

Did you checkpoint?
Did you commit to stealth area?

[last gust]

no checkpoint

we did stealth area

[hexed vapor]

Okay, that's why.

If you do charger class X, that's one of the hardest sections.

[calm coral]

hehe cheese go brr

[hexed vapor]

Snatchers just don't scream, to my knowledge.

[last gust]

well, snatcher was never in stealth area to scream

[hexed vapor]

Which kind of kills Overload, even disregarding that it's a buggy mess.

[last gust]

I think the snatcher error may be a directed spawn?

[calm coral]

I wish R7E1 had an immortal snatcher instead of pablo

[half hornet]

thank god it doesn't scream

[last gust]

I can't remember why I didn't need to deal with snatcher in mommy zone, but I feel like it's because ahto was parked outside with a choke mod

maybe the rooms are such that you just spawn block it with reasonable positioning

[calm coral]

choke mod against snatchers🥵

also sniper if you have a long sight line

[last gust]

anyway this might be a fair point, the charger X is pretty mean

[prisma zodiac]

Pre nerf burst cannon made them a joke

[hexed vapor]

Even then, if you're doing high stakes stealth and keeping snatcher off...

That's a bigger ask than what most D-tiers throw at you.

It's at least on-par with R4D2.

[last gust]

iuno, a bunch of it just died to waiting for snatcher, killing snatcher, doing some stealth, repeat

it's not like you're on a serious clock

[hexed vapor]

The level gives you a ton, but you lose ammo.

Unless you hammer it repeatedly, but as stated only Snatchers kind of lets you get away with a lot.

[last gust]

consider rephrase: you lose ammo, but the level gives you a ton

like enough that 2 snatchers per wave starts to make a lot of sense imo

[hexed vapor]

2 snatcher did feel pretty fair.

[prisma zodiac]

until you accidentally have 4 snatchers at once and its fucked

[last gust]

4 snatchers sure was some entertainment

I still want to see a snatcher blood door one day

with a large amount of snatchers behind it

not because it'd be at all fair

but because it'd be hilarious

[prisma zodiac]

R5B3 but theres a side with 6 snatchers

[calm coral]

I want a level with enough snatchers to justify bringing an autosentry/autopistol

[hexed vapor]

@prisma zodiac I think a stronger case for R7 being harder than R6, though, is that, when very experienced players were doing their first playthroughs, R6 underwhelming while R7 felt like a reasonable challenge.

Like, you can say they're just coming off of R5 for R6, but that should also apply to R7.

[last gust]

I wonder how much of it was vets falling off the game prior to r7

or just subjective experience

[calm coral]

I think R6 just brought in a lot of new players

[last gust]

I saw plenty of vets get to the other end and basically brush it off as a cakewalk

[calm coral]

so R7 was regarded as hard because players were used to R6 and never expericenced R5

or even R4

R4 was decently hard

[last gust]

I also kinda value the point about the guns

[calm coral]

R6 gunplay was op

[last gust]

coming down from hel gun + r6 sniper to veruta being the pushed special was healthy for the game

since then we've lost a lot of that

[calm coral]

hell even scattergun

[half hornet]

i shot it like 4 times

[calm coral]

scattergun allowed new players to do the job of a sniper

[half hornet]

and never again

[last gust]

launch scattergun sure, post-nerf scattergun I think people just like to hate on because they don't like watching noobs 1shot bigs

[hexed vapor]

I don't like noobs 2-shotting bigs.

Press 2 and start left clicking FFS.

[half hornet]

only 2 shots and point blank range though

kinda fair

[last gust]

I personally don't care how challenging noobs find the bigs

[calm coral]

I don’t mind noobs one shotting bigs but I do mind them one shotting hybrids

[half hornet]

unlike sniper who can do it across the map

[calm coral]

sniper is objectively better than scattergun but it requires you to not panic

which is why new players use scattergun instead