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[winter wharf]

damn you grindel

[real moss]

you should never be relying on a booster to win

[velvet linden]

well i do so too bad

[night prawn]

I'm one of those insane players who's going to finish the level and go blindly on the first go with all optional mission completed, or die trying

[velvet linden]

brother, that is every player

except artek

[real moss]

the numbers artek

[prisma zodiac]

thats gonna be pretty rough (but can also be fun) in levels like r4c3 and d2

@velvet linden yeah no, thats definetly NOT every player lol

[real moss]

like everyone. do PE immediatly

[velvet linden]

sorry but you're wrong

[winter wharf]

every player worth their weight in aggressive artefacts

which you know, inherently means they're worthless but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma zodiac]

pachi.. what o.O

but yea. Its definetly not everyone that does PE insta

[winter wharf]

i don't know what im saying, I never do

[prisma zodiac]

thats just people who can only look at themselves and their player group for reference

[real moss]

he joined the dark side

[winter wharf]

but yeah, most experienced players will just gun straight for the PE

[prisma zodiac]

i mean im in the do PE instantly group since R6 aswell
(tho im probably gonna do C3 and D2 main + sec first, since one of my guys never played R4 and i dont wanna drag him through, so i will let him explore those levels in his pace without the added pressure first)

[real moss]

torture his soul

do PE

[prisma zodiac]

no, i already play on a fast pace for my group who know the levels. And those 2 levels will be good to experience at his pace for once

[real moss]

🙁

[prisma zodiac]

ive already done everything so

[real moss]

elitist

[solemn wigeon]

smh, has he no shame

[real moss]

I know. shameless to be honest

[solemn wigeon]

If you've done everything then you might as well play like you have smhsmh

[prisma zodiac]

[tough atlas]

If I actually knew beforehand what to do on R4E1 Main I'd have 2 Extreme clears instead of 1 by now

So my stubborness of not doing Main beforehand ever did cost me a run

For R4C3 trying to do Main as fast as you can will improve your chances at doing PE

[fresh bronze]

dont worry me consistantly skipping a main only run has consistantly led to me finishing the hardest part of the level than wiping on the main like a bozo

[tough atlas]

I mean Main only is a cakewalk anyway

[half hornet]

alright, i'll guess i have to practice it too

[deft kiln]

Blinding a level pe is hard

[half hornet]

to be fair there's no PE in E1 - only a pathetic secondary

not that i know what it does

[real moss]

make it to sec first

[half hornet]

i don't know, seems like a waste of time

its going to be a wipe either way, better to know what to expect from the finale

Alright, i'm gonna see how much they fucked the burst cannon

[pliant pasture]

learning levels blind is not fun for me, planning levels based what i known is fun. imo you should spoil the level

[pliant pasture]

its fine

[fallow wasp]

I basically go in blind the first time and then afterwards I find out what I can

No sense banging your head into a wall only to make an ounce of progress

[pliant pasture]

agreed,
for me its more team morale is the only resource i care about in this game. multiple wipes on seemingly small things absolutely tanks morale. i just refuse to spend happiness of other people on a sense of exploration for me.

[tough atlas]

I actively had this dilemma when playing Alt R1-2-3, since I never played those: Do I play them with bots? With other players hoping noone finished it before? Just with other players and whatever?

I ended up doing nearly all of R1 with bots and same for every R2 map save R2D2 and R2E1

I couldn't shake off the feeling that I was perhaps doing it the wrong way

[half hornet]

oh jeez this recoil

its not... super bad, but its definetely like a 6/10

tops

i aimed at scouts spine and last bullet hit its' head

from like 10m range

that's... not a great arc

[pliant pasture]

its not bad, but def not great anymore.
BC is mid, and the game is better for that

[fresh bronze]

r1 it really doesnt matter how you approach excluding maybe c1

[half hornet]

they could at least give it more ammo and less burst cooldown

make it a heavy burst rifle, basically

[fresh bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901333559376228403/1104927129143099522/2023-05-05_19-36-05_Trim_2.mp4

[pliant pasture]

i know playing with people is the only thing i like about this game, and playing with bots would just rust my enjoyment so much

[fresh bronze]

had my friend try burst cannon

this was his first time shooting it

[deft knot]

I've done R1-R3 with bots except R2E1, was actually OK experience for the most part. But from R4 onwards I just can't be bothered anymore

[deft knot]

There's really no need for the recoil nerf, I would rather they just nerf the ammo pool further. Even at 55-60 bullets it's still a very handy giant slayer with the previous recoil

[fresh bronze]

on god the recoil isnt strong enough

make it worse, its fucking funny as shit watching people try and shoot the weapon from any range other than point blank

[deft knot]

I'm not sure if the devs are trying to match sniper and BC's ammo (13vs13) but with it's current recoil it makes more sense to take sniper all the time, even for BBC's you'd just take other weapons

[fresh bronze]

i prefer burst cannon because atleast you can fire into a group of enemies and land a few kills

but the range of sniper is handy

[pliant pasture]

BC bullet don't deal lethal to a sleeper no more

[fresh bronze]

damn really

rip

i dont use either weapon basically ever so im not that bothered kek

[kind swan]

20 dmg > 19 dmg

[half hornet]

it was 120 damage now its... 115?

no wait

20x5

100 > 95

right

so its still pretty gigantic DPS, its just not a small killer anymore

eh

[daring pilot]

It’d be fine, the recoil kind of fucked it though

[winter wharf]

yea the recoil is definitely awkward

you can kinda work around it, but it's harder to use at range now, especially when it zooms off to the side

[half hornet]

so

worthless on no-giant levels

like completely

[winter wharf]

yeah pretty much, but it always a bit niche for those after losing burst cancelling

you could definitely still make it work but

now you wouldn't even think of taking it

[prisma zodiac]

wait, a anti giant/boss weapon is worthless on maps without giants/bosses

sniper mains in chambles

[half hornet]

i take my words back

this recoil is disgusting

im downgrading it to 5/10

actually... 4/10

cant even keep it on a sleeper right in front of me

welp, that's a gun i shall never use again

[prisma zodiac]

well, everyone agress the recoil change was unneeded

gun is still a solid niche

welp… until scattergun comes along

[kind swan]

I disagree

It needs more

Old cs Negev type

[half hornet]

thank god you said "old" or else i would do some nerf ragin'

...we could use a gun like new negev

[fresh bronze]

forgot to pick up a sentry and it was going to shoot a scout so i literally mr presidented the scout to prevent it going off kek

[half hornet]

it was not a sniper one, i assume?

[fresh bronze]

burst

if it was i def wouldnt have gotten in its way

[hexed vapor]

Tbh the recoil isn't that horrible.

Like, if you take the time to relearn it.

You can control it.

Won't stop my pubs from missing half of their entire burst, but...

95 per burst is actually kind of a significant nerf, though.

It's now a lot harder to follow up on yourself.

[pliant pasture]

ya

[kind swan]

I didn't miss. I just had a different target

looks at downed teammates

[half hornet]

wooooo another C3 wipe, exactly same place

last rounds of main alarm before the turbine

[prisma zodiac]

is nobody shooting the alarm ?

[half hornet]

45 FPS + lag + chargers teleporting into my ass

yeah

[winter wharf]

I'm still here if you want me to tag along

[half hornet]

one guy shot 2 of us down in the ass

i dont blame him, i should've stopped moving

i just cant help it

[prisma zodiac]

[pliant pasture]

nvm, don't want to be rude

[prisma zodiac]

i mean shooting 2 teammates down in a charger alarm + error

is kinda rough

[half hornet]

once again

[prisma zodiac]

not much you can do when downed

[half hornet]

GTFO being GTFO

you make 2 mistakes in a row and its a wipe

we fucked up searching for the final key

one giant charger came out of nowhere with normal charger support and caught us off-guard

[prisma zodiac]

hm

bio sleeping

[half hornet]

i destroyed him by mag-dumping my hel shotgun, but then i got caught by a normal charger trying to reload both of my guns

he just punched me to death and there was nothing i could do to stop him

one guy survived, killed the rest, revived... but from that point on we were all 20%

hence us oneshoting each other in the back

with hel revolver of all things, if i recognise the shooting sound

[prisma zodiac]

hel revo needs 2 shots still

[pliant pasture]

but frfr man, give yourself a break, don't play this game, your beating yourself up doing this

[half hornet]

I'm not that mad, actually. I actually feel just apathetic and lightly tired.

Just posting my L's for everyone's enjoyment

its a weekend, what else is there to do

technically i was searching for E1, but C3 just came up so i was like "eh, whatever"

[prisma zodiac]

E1 is gonna be :>

theres a reason dj keeps asking for you to record it

[half hornet]

We were doing fine, amazingly even... Looted everything, barely fucked up first 70%, tank got oneshoted by the mines.

Then the main happened.

Someone accidentally caught a mine in the crossfire and prematurely blew up the door. Exactly the one the wave was coming from.

Saw it myself, it was top kek.

We kinda cleared the first main super zone alright-ish, but then the great fuck up of key search happened and the collapse of the alarm scan.

[prisma zodiac]

the worst part of doors now always exploding from mines,

the mine wont do anything to enemys on the other side. Its just a „hey come here quick“ button

[half hornet]

Not that it mattered here

The wave was not there yet

I think i saw just 1 charger standing there confused

"You welcoming me in? Alright, i'll take it ~WAAAAAARGH"

Hm, bioscan booster might come in useful after all.

If its the scans that get everyone killed... Then the scans it will be that shall be cheesed.

[prisma zodiac]

or

shoot

without killing each other preferably

[astral ferry]

just ladder foam smhh

[half hornet]

that's the fucking problem - they don't spawn on the ladder

they always come from the goddamn key zone

[kind swan]

You must control the speed force

Not let it control you

[half hornet]

alright, i brought +60% sentry speed on a sniper sentry and this time its gonna watch at the key direction

i swear to fucking god

[fresh bronze]

kek did a quick replay of r4a3 and at the end everyone just dipped within a minute because they where on a time crunch

meanwhile the whole ass time i was playing with one hand while eating chicken

[daring pilot]

[fresh bronze]

chicken good

knife boy failed 2 scouts kills in a row because he insisted he could land the kills

average gtfo knife player

[daring pilot]

Nah average knife player coulda done it

[fresh bronze]

jokes ofc

good level tho

forward spawns didnt fuck us this time

[half hornet]

And another wipe

We wiped at like 90% extraction scan by completely running out of ammo, a classic

i had... 60 hel shotgun shots

80% is all they could buy me

"lets just throw bazzilion chargers at them with like a 90 seconds extraction scan, that'll be fun for them i'm sure"

+60% smarter sniper sentry carried us through the final alarm scan, but completely ran out ammo at the process

and we did not even pulled the final room. I just saw the turbine, went for it and grabbed. Didn't even kill the scout and left it be.

And we still ran out of fucking ammo

That level is mean.

The one time refill boosters could win the day and i got 0 of them, goddammit

[winter wharf]

save a 4 use ammo at extraction

move it as close as possible, either the original 4 use that spawns in there, or if it's split you swap out an ammopack from extreme/secondary

[half hornet]

I think there was 1 ammopack left... Deep within secondary's ass creek that is the caves. We decided to not bother with the locals.

To think that one ammopack could win us the day.

This level is a liar. It gives you bazzilion resources, you constantly have to overburn a % or two but in reality you need every single bullet or get fucked.

welp, 4 hours well spent

I'm going to sleep. Good luck next time, yadi yada.

Wait!

The tank!

The fucker dodged the mines!

Goddammit, if he died right then and there we would win!

I spent like 4 mags on him!

Noted: tank mine kill mandatory or kiss your ass goodbye.

[glass mirage]

It's not mandatory at all

[half hornet]

i wonder if i still have the mine damage boosters...

[coarse berry]

is this d2? Growth?

[winter wharf]

c3pe

good old Horns

[coarse berry]

ohh yeah

[unique gazelle]

No offense but Hel shotgun is terrible for the level in general, if you had a Hel revolver/ carbine the clear would have been in the bag most likely

[prisma zodiac]

its not terrible

it just makes you dependent on the team more with the reload on say extract

[real moss]

we always shot tank and did not run out of ammo

[prisma zodiac]

@half hornet what gun did you choose that you had to shoot 4 magazines on a tank

and why would you shoot tank with such a gun

[half hornet]

2 HEL Rifle mags (half the shots hit the armor and did not register)
1 HEL Shotgun mag (he was very close to me with his back, so i mag dumped him out of desperation)

[verbal ether]

Don't know what your loadout was but cfoaming + mining both side doors at extraction (or only one if you lost one during the first alarm) does help preserving some ammo for extract scan

and you usually get some cfoam nades when searching for the key for the turbine room

[half hornet]

Don't dis my boy like that. That thing saved my life more times than i can count. It can crowd control real good and i can solo kill giant chargers with it if i have to.

[half hornet]

Implying all of us weren't at 0% tool as well.
Everything was used to survive the final alarm scan. Including the foam grenades.
I think the foamer had maybe 10% left and he used it on one of the doors, but it pretty much did nothing.

[verbal ether]

Yeah I can see that happening if you try killing the tank with mines

which imo is not worth it, too unrealiable and you might actually just save more ammo by dumping tool on a sniper sentry for chargers

[tough atlas]

I think it's unadvisable because R4E1's beginning gets easier the faster and more efficient you are at killing tanks

So using mines to kill them is really a crutch

[verbal ether]

I'm talking about r4c3pe, haven't played r4e1

[tough atlas]

My point is that if a team struggles to kill fast a single tank they're gonna have bigger issues later down the line

[real moss]

try to not say too much

[verbal ether]

yeah I do think this statement applies to r4c3pe

the tank here isn't hard to deal with quickly

[real moss]

thats his point. just learn to quick kill the tank.

[unique gazelle]

Not shitting on hel shotty as a weapon it's niche but has its uses, just that I can't see how it's a good matchup against chargers which you want to dispatch outside of their tongue range and certainly punch range. With Hel shotty I struggle to see how you'll do that, if you want to stagger autopistol is arguably better though it just makes more sense to kill them rather than having 10+ chargers in your face

[nocturne flax]

Pls tell me peeople are not doing that in e1

[real moss]

nah that would be impossible

[half hornet]

Oh right, i just remembered: we triggered the scout in the main room. He chose the single worst spot to be in when we opened the door so i couldn't get a clear shot fast enough. Something awoke, he got triggered. That probably costed us a mag as well.

[alpine spindle]

I’ve had relatively good success with mines on the door and killing the tank, either instantly or shooting one bubble, but that’s only my experience

[verbal ether]

yeah you really don't wake to trigger that scout, the bbc are enough to deal with if you go loud

[nocturne flax]

I mean you can, but like why

[real moss]

the point is to learn killing tanks quickly conventionally. not that its impossible there

[real moss]

not enough tool I think

[nocturne flax]

+tool ammo coming in clutch

[prisma zodiac]

its not great to use on singular chargers tbf (its more of a panic button vs bigger groups) due to its bad range and dmg profile

[alpine spindle]

Fair, if you have a good enough team it shouldn’t take more than 2 minutes max

[real moss]

if you want to make your run harder 🙂

[prisma zodiac]

have 1 or 2 guys take choke. Let them kill tank

[nocturne flax]

+40% tool ammo
-1500000 melee damage

[real moss]

get licked once -> licked out of the game, computer crashes and catches fire

[real moss]

honestly this artek. tank will be ded within 1 to 2 min

even faster if they good

[alpine spindle]

^^^

[half hornet]

I'm usually not bothered with what people bring, except tools

Not that kind of guy

[prisma zodiac]

yea, the deeper you go the more reliant you will be on the right guns (specials mostly)

[half hornet]

"Bring what you bring, we'll solve the rest"

[prisma zodiac]

especially if you arent rly rly good, where as youd be able to compensate that

[real moss]

you will HUG the meta !

/j

[prisma zodiac]

you can obviously run bullpup and high cal in r4c3

but it will just make it hell

guns are a part of the loadout strategy for a reason

[half hornet]

I already compromised for the HEL family, i'm not compromising it further

[real moss]

honestly last run you were really close. you'd have had a bit efficienter weapons, it would be good. not triggered scout it would be good, took all the ammo, you would be good. its just the small stuff now

altho scout, we triggered everytime as well and were fine

[half hornet]

That level leaves no fuckin room for mistakes

You commit 2 large ones - die

You commit 4-5 small ones - die

[real moss]

well you in the hardest parts of GTFO now. barring R5 and R4E1

[half hornet]

You got that 70% hitchance aim of an XCOM Rookie - die

[prisma zodiac]

oh ti does

for a lot aswell

[real moss]

this one actually hit hard 😦

[prisma zodiac]

ive went down multiple times due to being suprised by error spawns (damn silent spawns) in our blind first try

team had to salvage at tank fight (took ages due to 2-3 downs total) and stabilize before and after alarm in main big room

[half hornet]

Your squad is just that good. No pub is recovering from something like that.

[unique gazelle]

Mistakes can be planning/ execution , if you got the right plan/right loadout then you can afford to mess up here and there in the actual action phase

[prisma zodiac]

im not saying the team i was playing with wasnt good (i mean you can watch the playthrough in 3-4 weeks? once scaler uploads it i guess)

but no mistakes is definetly not true with how much went wrong for us. And we had WAAAY left over ammo at the end aswell

[alpine spindle]

The first time I did R4C3 PE blind was with pubs

But they weren’t typical pubs they had pretty good game knowledge

Charger room went flawless actually

So did overload

[verbal ether]

you definitely have some leeway for mistakes even if you're not playing in a very good team

[alpine spindle]

There should be enough ammo to get through

[verbal ether]

i consider myself a very average player and I managed to do it with a friend + 2 bots, was far from a flawless run

[half hornet]

And yet i have 5+ wipes on my belt already... Most don't even reach the turbine. In fact: the last one was the first time i saw a turbine with an overload present.
Hm.

[verbal ether]

it certainly isn't an easy level, doesn't mean you're not allowed to make a single mistake tho

[half hornet]

A single - sure, a couple of large ones? Its over.

[prisma zodiac]

what is „a large“ mistake

2 people going down during tank fight?

Triggerig basically every secondary room by accident and having to shoot it while losing hp?

[half hornet]

The 4 most common wipe spots are:

1. The very first main bulkdoor scan. Probably the most rare one outside of freak accidents, but i had at least 2 squads wipe on either the scan itself or right after it.
2. Dying while searching for the last key, usually by having the error do a forward spawn and having a giant charger or two wake up and help them beating the team into a pulp. Also sometimes people sprint into a giant accidentally and he throws a haymaker in response. It doesn't help that these rooms have 0 light sources and are pitch-black, so no one sees shit.
3. The final main scan. Probably the top 1 wipe spot - people are REALLY struggling to do that one. Not even an ammo problem, people simply get jumped around corners or get overrun through sheer numbers. It doesn't help that its a giant-ass room, the scans take forever to activate and the FPS reliably drops below comfortable number making reacting to threats harder.
4. Running out of ammo on extraction scan. Ironically i just hear about this one from literally everyone else who is stuck on that level, yesterday was the first time i experienced it for myself.

Everything up to finding the HSU goes like butter. Once the error alarm activates - it all goes to shit.

[tough atlas]

Never really saw that aside from ||last tank+pmother|| were they had spare mines and decided "fuck it"

[prisma zodiac]

cuz thats the hard part when overload rly starts

threat level: OVERLOAD

[livid heath]

[winter wharf]

as if you'd finish the reactor with 0 tool refill to spare anyway, mining tank is funny

[winter wharf]

ok so if I wasn't supposed to be playing old rundowns, the social media guy wouldn't be posting clips of old rundowns

checkmate

[prisma zodiac]

@hexed vapor
Havent played machine guns too much yet, so still unsure. But would place them both minimum A tier from what i saw, not sure about S for arbalist. For veruta possibly

S: agree otherwise, even with order
A: (well hel shotty kinda fits here anyhow i guess), Burst rifle as best A tier feels very high. I have it either high B or low A. Not too sold on HAR A. Shotgun also imo should be B

B: agree

C: hel pp… hm, id also put it in C, but similar to BC its not garbage. Just very niche. Agree with smg not being D, if i had to choose a gun of smg/bullpup and PR id take smg, at least i can reload.

D: obviously

[hexed vapor]

BR is just very well rounded, imo.

It has a lot of the upsides that semi-autos have, while having a lot of the general punch that Carbine enjoys.

[prisma zodiac]

Id probably:
Try machine guns out more before verdict
and move
HAR to B
Shotgun to B

burst rifle is definetly in the „good“ category for mains

[daring pilot]

The Machine guns in this game just are good

[prisma zodiac]

but i dunno whether id place it above stuff like rifle, pdw or dmr

its more rounded than those 3

[daring pilot]

I think BR is underrated and just takes practice

[prisma zodiac]

but doesnt have the same strengths (that say carbine has)

[hexed vapor]

I can def see shotgun to B, I feel like it's really not that great anymore...

But I think HAR is very strong.

[prisma zodiac]

I mean its not gonna crack top 2(3)

So at best 4th, but i prefer a good gun with a great peak over a slightly better gun with no such peak

[hexed vapor]

It only struggles with eco, but is otherwise an ultra-bursty ultra-useful gun.

[daring pilot]

Yeah

Why I like slapping it on bots

They burst cancel

[hexed vapor]

I'd be tempted to put it in S if it weren't for its eco, it does genuinely hold it back.

It's a reasonable drawback

[daring pilot]

Yup

[prisma zodiac]

HAR rn has the same issue for me

its not bursty enough, its not controlled enough. Has not the best eco. Range is okayish.

[narrow gulch]

so true, I wish theyd give it same eco as mgs

[daring pilot]

I think BR is one of the most well rounded and/or balanced main weapons

[prisma zodiac]

you kinda cant play it like old HAR where you can easily play perfect shot vs few enemies while spamming into a wave. Its more spammy overall now

[narrow gulch]

if im not tap firing it I play it like a shotgun and aim center of mass

really wish id gotten to use old har more

[daring pilot]

Like R6 Har?

[prisma zodiac]

thats pretty inefficient tho :/

r6 har was best

it still has worse recoil

and while firerate is good when spammed into a wave or giant

it hurts its wave clear

[narrow gulch]

yeah you dont not tap fire/ 2-3 burst often tho

sometimes you just have to

(thats also more for chargers and giants)

[prisma zodiac]

i gotta retest burst rifle and both machine guns

HAR wont change for me. Tried it, its good but not overwhelming

see where burst rifle ranks for main (4th to 7th)

[daring pilot]

All this convo has done for me is painfully reminding me that PDW is superior to AR in almost every way and for no reason

[narrow gulch]

pdw with reload cancel is just

so busted

[daring pilot]

Like I spent a whole hour coping about how AR had to have some upside

[prisma zodiac]

its reload cancel is just a freaking premature reload

[daring pilot]

It’s got 10m of range over 5

[narrow gulch]

I like har because its usable on everything

I should really use mgs but I just dont like charge up

[daring pilot]

Like why does PDW do more damage lmao

i just hate the scope so much

[narrow gulch]

why does CARBINE do more damage than both

lmfao

[deft kiln]

Power creep

[daring pilot]

Well carbine is it’s own thing

PDW is just better AR for like literally no reason

[narrow gulch]

_ _

im really curious what their goal with thermals was

did they expect ppl to not be ok with using them outside shadows

[deft kiln]

They wanted to make shadows easier

[daring pilot]

I mean it’s cool but PDW has like 0 drawback that makes it worth to take AR

[astral ferry]

I'm surprised they added thermals in the first place

[daring pilot]

the zoom in kill me

I hate pdw zoom scope

[narrow gulch]

it has good enough hip fire so I dont complain

[deft kiln]

What is pdw’s downside

[daring pilot]

Yeah i mean for like using it to view sleeping enemies or getting headshots

[deft kiln]

It isn’t hel rev

[daring pilot]

Uhhh

[prisma zodiac]

PR was a good … eh decent idea of a thermal weapon with a good thermal

Shame they double nerfed thermals and PR

[astral ferry]

Padlocks don't appear on thermals
Making shooting locks difficult

[daring pilot]

ur teammates do appear on thermals

Wait

[prisma zodiac]

range, kinda lowish dmg/mag, thermal (also a downside due to shooters and tunnel vision)

[daring pilot]

Not a downside

Makes it easier to shoot them

[deft kiln]

What is smg’s upside

[daring pilot]

1.5>1.4 :)

Feels good to fire and reload

That’s ab it

[prisma zodiac]

overall all other mains
none rly

it has a good reload tho

[daring pilot]

Imagine they just give it like 200 more bullets

[prisma zodiac]

compare that to bullpup that has none

[daring pilot]

Nah BP has the advantage of being able to order food while u reload

[deft kiln]

@daring pilot

i havent moved my mouse

[daring pilot]

HUH

[deft kiln]

but this is the range of motion diffrence between 120 and 65

which is base

[daring pilot]

Wait it’s based on FRAME OF VIEW?

[deft kiln]

YES

ALSO THE FUCKING CIRCLE

CHAGES

BECASUE IT ISNT SCALING TO FOV

BUT THE ONE OF THE RIGHT IS CORRECT

[daring pilot]

Wait so the reticle becomes… invisibly smaller or bigger?

[deft kiln]

the reticle is bigger

by a lot

but it is fake

the reticle is ture on 65 only

[prisma zodiac]

55 is base

[deft kiln]

what

so it is even worse

mb

[prisma zodiac]

ye

[deft kiln]

the diffrence is more

@daring pilot culling is wrong on 120 fov

[daring pilot]

Wait so what would the “invisible reticle” look like

Bigger or smaller?

[prisma zodiac]

team, what are the 3 biggest weapon hottakes (as in underrated) by the general community

[daring pilot]

Bc i know FOV does the fisheye effects

[pallid swallow]

I want my 20 dmg burst cannon back
I can't see difference between rifle and pistol
And I want my hel autopistol to do more than just stagger dmg
😳

[narrow gulch]

rifle was just pistol but long range before then they gave it stagger multi

[deft kiln]

@daring pilot

left is correct

right is 120

[prisma zodiac]

1. havent heard this one much, but holy thats scorching
2. o.O who, when, where
3. i know that one

[daring pilot]

Woah

[deft kiln]

so if i hip fire on 120 it will only end up in the e

i hate this game

[prisma zodiac]

so thats why my hipfire feels more accurate than i thought on 100 fov

[deft kiln]

yeah

cause the circle is a fucking lie

it doesnt tell you jack shit

THIS GOES FOR SHOTGUNS TOO

ALSO EVERY SINGLE DOOR IN THE GAME YOU HAVE MORE ANGLES TO INTERACT ON HIGHER FOV

but once you go past 55

you can get void bug

so it is a even trade off

perfectly blalanced

[daring pilot]

Make AR on par with Pdw in some way (give it something cmon)
Give burst cannon a little bit of love
Burst rifle is objectively balanced

[prisma zodiac]

i personally wouldnt call those hot takes

i meant stuff like
(The obvious here)
Hel shotgun is shit

[deft kiln]

1 stagger isnt good for surges killing is

[narrow gulch]

hel shotty has no killing power
choke mod has no purpose
veruta needed the buff

FUCK

[daring pilot]

O_o

[narrow gulch]

you sniped hel shotty before I could think of more

[daring pilot]

That is

A hot take

I think hel shotgun is fucking busted so uhh yeah you got me

[prisma zodiac]

i mean the opposite is easy (overrated hot takes)

[pallid swallow]

Isn't 59 (90 horizontal) the base?
Weird 55, ew

[prisma zodiac]

PR is the better sniper
High cal is a better sniper
Hel rifle is a better sniper

Wait beginners just think big gun = sniper

[prisma zodiac]

55 is base (left number)

[narrow gulch]

I have a friend who reads high damage and thinks tank killer

brought the team killer 2000 to a mom fight

[daring pilot]

Hel shotty is so nice to me bc of the fact it’s a shotgun on main

[deft kiln]

auto sentry is a good sentry

[narrow gulch]

(hel rifle with 3 special damage boosters)

[daring pilot]

I just like shotguns and also the MG’s

[prisma zodiac]

god, i remember the r6 take of „auto sentry kills better since it shoots quicker“

[daring pilot]

bruh

[pallid swallow]

MGs now is so good
You can't go wrong with them

[daring pilot]

yeaaaah

i just take whatever in special most of the time

[deft kiln]

MP IS OP

[prisma zodiac]

Sawed off is OP

[daring pilot]

Me when sniper is bad bc it has low rounds

looks at R6D1

[deft kiln]

r6 sniper was balanced

[prisma zodiac]

I cant shoot sniper, only have 9 rounds rn

dude whos at 75% sniper (pre buff)

[velvet linden]

hop on r2 sniper

[pallid swallow]

sawed off vs hel shotgun
Top 10 anime battles

[half hornet]

Do you think they'll buff sawed off a bit?

[daring pilot]

hel shotgun is just too much imo

[half hornet]

I didn't get to use that extensively before it got removed

[deft kiln]

incremental weapon changes are bad

1.5----- .14

[daring pilot]

yeah that did nothing

[half hornet]

I remember it could oneshot strikers from point blank which means it dealt at least 20 damage, but no idea what the damage actually was

[deft kiln]

10cc cant add recoil without breaking a neck

[daring pilot]

Sawed off would be nice if it was just a little better

I’d love if one reload could kill a hybrid from front

Or something similar, like if it had it’s own specialty

[prisma zodiac]

i mean sawed off has range + low mag issue

[daring pilot]

mmm yeah scattergun has technically the same thing but it’s still relevant

[prisma zodiac]

thats its specialty

[prisma zodiac]

cuz it has 6 times its dmg (had like 8-9 times before)

[half hornet]

buff mag size to 6 then?

[daring pilot]

Scattergun just excels at being able to fuck anything up from the front that isn’t a miniboss

[half hornet]

2 shells in each barrel

it makes sense, i'm sure

[prisma zodiac]

i mean, it fucks minibosses

6 might actually make it insane

[daring pilot]

It can oneshot like literally anything other than a birther + tank

[half hornet]

So... Impossible to fix?

[daring pilot]

Think he meant sawed off

[half hornet]

Its just shit unless we give it like 40 damage?

[prisma zodiac]

I know

[daring pilot]

Oh really?

[prisma zodiac]

40 dmg is also ??? For a main

[daring pilot]

Maybe like 4

[prisma zodiac]

hel shotgun is what sawed off wishes to be

and hel shotgun is already moreso a special

[daring pilot]

So it can be in line with hel revo

[half hornet]

make it HEL too?

Might as well, right?

Less crowd control, more punch

[daring pilot]

3 barrel 4 shell to 6 chamber 8 rounds

[half hornet]

"make your shots count" type a gun

[pallid swallow]

Just x3-x5 stagger multi for sawed off
Like hel autopistol

[prisma zodiac]

giving guns hel isnt a good way to balance

and stagger honestly wouldnt change anything

[half hornet]

Well based on what you're saying - Sawed Off is just conceptually wrong for this game and might as well be removed.

[daring pilot]

mmm stagger I could see being useful actually

[half hornet]

Either that or reworked into an ass-blasting special somehow.

[prisma zodiac]

the gun needs insane fine tuning

[daring pilot]

Yeah

[prisma zodiac]

and while 10CC has been doing better recently

god i dont trust them to do that on such a gun

[half hornet]

i have a fond memory of it in R6B1

[daring pilot]

the arbalest changes were good

[half hornet]

Or what is B2?

B2, yeah!

Ambushing sleepers around corners and blasting them with point blank shots was fun

[daring pilot]

I have a fond memory of my friend whiffing with sawed off on our very first R6A1 and deleting a teammate

[half hornet]

I guess its just another case of melee with ammo

[prisma zodiac]

thats what i mean

theres some better ones recently

but if they pull a carbine, PR or smth

[daring pilot]

The thought was there with BC but it was a little too much

Or what they did to veruta, that gun is creeped to hell rn

[prisma zodiac]

veruta is imo slightly overrated rn (while still rly rly good)

we just had BC and hel gun at full power

it isnt close to those 2 at all

[daring pilot]

mmm i think it is tbh

[fresh bronze]

huh so there is one benefit to lower fov

[daring pilot]

Stagger plus 60 mag and ~180 reserve, reload cancelable, decent range, very hipfirable

[fresh bronze]

after finally raising my fov i did notice hipfiring was a bit more strange

[prisma zodiac]

if it wasnt close before it isnt now

its only a stagger change of 1 bullet vs 2 (or 1 headshot) on strikers and nicer stagger vs bigs

its still the same gun with the actual dmg and killing profile

it doesnt have the insanely stupid highs BC and hel gun had

[daring pilot]

Idk man I think it’s gotten super creeped without being noticed

Just me tho

[prisma zodiac]

it was the best in R7

but BC and hel gun were a different world

[daring pilot]

Ig I haven’t seen much hel rifle and hel gun tbf

[half hornet]

what if we were to buff its accuracy and range

i know its counter-ethical to what sawed-off shotguns are usually associated with but...

[daring pilot]

So like a mini cheko mod?

[half hornet]

Yeah

[daring pilot]

Cheko wtf

[half hornet]

It already got the small mag

So we're halfway there

[prisma zodiac]

lets also give mp 20 meter range

[pallid swallow]

Yes

[daring pilot]

yeah it’d be nice to have a mini choke mod on main

tbh

I’d probably run that with HAR or combat shotty tbh

[half hornet]

that's what titanfall's mozambique basically was

a medium range shotgun-pistol hybrid

[daring pilot]

I know it’s literally the reverse of what a sawed off is supposed to be, but idc at this point

[half hornet]

if we are stealing the look, might as well steal the function

[kind swan]

I mean.

Titanfalls baseline for medium range is different to GTFOs Medium range

[half hornet]

Is it, really? The space-time continuity is the same. Sure, its faster and you can close distance quickly via various means, but medium range still medium range in my eyes.

[kind swan]

With the ranges you fire weapons effectively in titanfall. Yes

The fact most of GTFOs weaponry max damage effective range is average to 10m or below

[half hornet]

Bullpup got better range capability than Titanfall's R201, that's for certain

[kind swan]

Bullpup is 20m

Iirc

Might be 15m

I'd have to check

And the ranges you can use R201 is still beyond 20m

[half hornet]

Not sure about that

It was amazing in first game, but the recoil in TF2 was nasty shit

[kind swan]

Bullpup arguably easier to control as well

[half hornet]

I couldn't hit shit aiming downsights

In fact the "correct" way to use it was... To use it as any other meta gun

You close the distance and just hipfire it

[kind swan]

I hate that acronym

[half hornet]

The spray is just tight enough to hit enough bullets for a quick kill

[kind swan]

My mind went to team fortress 2

[daring pilot]

No matter what they’re great games

Doesn’t matter which TF2

Great games abandoned by their teams

😔

[kind swan]

If you're referring to controlling the recoil to hit shots.

[half hornet]

And that's what i mean - bullpup could get away with a lot in a game like T2. With non existent recoil like that you can snipe people, even if damage fall off sets in.

[kind swan]

Bullpup wins.

[half hornet]

Goddammit, the CAR was basically that.

[kind swan]

But that can be negated by player error

[half hornet]

0 recoil bullshit

[kind swan]

Player skill

Recoil isn't even that bad in titanfall imo

[half hornet]

CAR is pretty much Bullpup on all accounts... EXCEPT THE RELOAD.

Same mag size, same damage application principle, even fire rate is pretty much the game

Difference? You could reload that thing in like 0,8 of a second and effectively never stop firing.

And stupid accurate hipfire to boot.

[kind swan]

[half hornet]

That was THE Gun of T2 meta.

Every tryhard just used that.

just point in general direction and hold LMB

40m range? Who cares, just keep spraying

I hated that gun and all its' users so much

The only people i hated more were kraber mains, but at least they work for what they get.

[kind swan]

so basically effective range has to included player ability to control recoil

[half hornet]

that yeah

[kind swan]

And track targets

[half hornet]

i'm not speaking about damage fall off

that's a different story

[kind swan]

While that is true. It doesn't change the guns base range stats

[half hornet]

i'm talking "how well can i reliably put bullets into target's cranium?"

[kind swan]

[half hornet]

that was the issue with R201

The ADS recoil in T2 was horrific

Best you could do at range is to one-tap it

and then it had bad damage fall off as well

so those taps you hit do nothing

fuck me, that game's balance pissed me off so much

the single best upgrade for that Assault Rifle was the perk that allowed you to hip-fire shoot while sprinting

Just W+M1 for the win.

Basically CAR, just balanced.

The only true medium range assault rifle was Hemlok

[twin dirge]

I'd fuck R2D2

[astral ferry]

nah she a bit bloated imo

[fallow wasp]

Say, what would be the worst level for its tier in every rundown? I’m talking levels that were B but felt like a C

[plain saddle]

Probably R4, but that's mostly the PE's extending the difficulty and the fact that nearly every level having a PE. If you just consider mains then R4 is probably on the easier side.

[solemn wigeon]

Not what they asked

[half hornet]

I can barely remember rundowns from 1 to 3. I think R2C2 feels like a D, sometimes?... But that's just my phobia of error alarm talking.
Other than that i can't remember anything particularly offensive until R4.
A tier PEs feel like Cs, B tier PEs feel like Ds, and don't even get me started on C PEs.
D2 PE is somehow less of a problem than C3... Holy hell.

[plush basin]

Its kinda hard to pick for most rundowns but I guess I'd say:
R1: A1 (all the others fit pretty well, this is actually a kinda hard A tier)
R2: D2 (These are all pretty well placed imo, not suggesting D2 is like an E tier level but its a pretty tough level)
R3: B2 kinda gives me C tier vibes
R4: C3 easy
R5: C2 (this rundown is hard overall but PE on C2 is yikes)
R6: C3 or D3 I think. Again, they got it pretty right here imo
R7: B3 (With PE specifically)

[deft kiln]

r3a3 probs hardest hard teir hands down( reactor does reactor things.

[half hornet]

Oh yeah, that one!

[plush basin]

Oh thats true forgot how much they buffed that

[half hornet]

The great bot-filter.

[deft kiln]

c tier i think r7c3

[half hornet]

That's just a B in disguise.

[plush basin]

definitely a better answer than B2

[deft kiln]

maybe r4c3

[kind talon]

I hop in here because you linked it and this is the message im greeted with

Spoiler: the knife stabs things

[fresh bronze]

rundown 1 a1 is honestly suprisingly difficult for being the overall first level in the game esspecially since there are objectively easier levels in the game

personally, r7c3 gave me more trouble than either of the d tier levels in r7 but thats mostly cause the level is very unique and once you do it a first time its not a particularly hard level

r7b3 with pe is really fucking hard for a b tier level

but i dont really know if id say its c tier cus the main overall isnt that bad

[kind swan]

R1A1 the second security door. iirc is a full wave class 4

though easier with a 4man team

scary as a true solo

iirc R7/R6's A1's have diminished alarms

[light lagoon]

I think R6A1 Was a Class II (maybe III) and Class IV, both diminished, while R7A1 Is a regular Class II And Class IV.

[fresh bronze]

yeah alarms as true solo that are not class 3 and under are really difficult and take serious game skill

just meleed a giant in 2 hits ?

[kind swan]

well in terms of A1s that class 4

R1A1

plus the spawns of enemies isn't that far away either

[twin dirge]

yellow syringe makes it so you can one hit crit

[fresh bronze]

yeah but that wasnt with a syringe

it just died in 2 hits

[kind swan]

IIX syringe = For 1 hit. 3x damage within a duration of 8 seconds

Melee damage?

unless you somehow got occi hit twice

[fresh bronze]

unless bot boy went extendo arms and landed a hit from a long ass distance away im just not really sure wtf happened

honestly wouldnt even doubt it with this game

i dont even know how to approach this

[twin dirge]

hammer all of them

[fresh bronze]

i woke 2 of em up while killing the shit to the right

somehow the third never woke up while i solo meleed to awake giants

what the fuck

man bots are worthless when it comes to meleeing anything awake

[kind swan]

ironic

considering Bots can Solo Melee giants

[fresh bronze]

as long as the giant doesnt swing first

[fair fern]

did they nerf the burst cannon?

the recoil make it almost unuseable now

[wary olive]

yes

damage and recoil

[fair fern]

thats why i cant kill giants

why dont they just nerf the damage

[velvet flower]

And ammo

[hidden crater]

They did.

[twin dirge]

nerfed the ammo, damage, and gave higher recoil

it was a less ammo efficient sniper but I guess it's worse hel gun

[kind swan]

Damage -1

[fair fern]

no, like alot alot more damage nerf

the recoil increase make it almost un useable

5 bullet shot to a giants, only hit 3 of them

[hidden crater]

Fair nuff, but that was probably the intention

[nocturne flax]

Damage nerf was just to stop you from 1 shooting everything with a sweep

[kind swan]

strikers*

and eh. the recoil nerf isn't that bad

[atomic escarp]

just use boosters

[nocturne flax]

I mean atleast it gives booster some meaning

[kind swan]

disgusting

[nocturne flax]

Sadly they gotta rework the system

Cuz its shit

[kind swan]

eh

unfortuantely even with damage boosters, player's still have to get used to the recoil

[deft kiln]

Mr dragon have you seen my fov rant

[nocturne flax]

I would love to see it

[deft kiln]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[kind swan]

would explain a lot about hipfire accuracy being wonky

[tough atlas]

I know you CAN do that if you're client, I've seen a guy doing it multiple times

[prisma zodiac]

@pallid swallow wth are those numbers, and why are you considerin bodyshots only?

smg and bullpup are both absolute dog

AR is average for full autos

pdw is the best

theres a reason only pdw is played by most experienced players out of that pool

[pallid swallow]

i agree about AR and PDW
but SMG and bullpup have they pros and cons
pp is same as PDW but without thermal

[prisma zodiac]

smgs only pro is quick reload

bullpup has no strength

range? its range is on the higher end, but not noticeable (not like burst rifle, dmr or rifle). Precision multi? thats so its low base dmg isnt absolutely garbage. Same issue as why precision multi sucks for spear with its lower dmg than hamemr

machine pp is definetly better than those 2 at this point (in r6 it was... oof)
But it plays far worse than pdw, the hipfire of pdw is insane, it has thermal as an upside (also slight down side)

PDW has similar stats to machine pp (slightly lower on dmg/refill and mag respectively) but it plays cleaner. And now consider that pdw isnt even a top 5 weapon for mains

Rifle having insane TTK, stagger on rly good range. Is also very very noticeable. 1 bullet to stagger chargers. Insane synergy with hel gun and high cal

theres no way youd pick say smg over any other main than bullpup

[fresh bronze]

pdw is my go to main full auto weapon

thermals is really nice bonus for very dark levels and for invis sleepers

that and its just a solid well rounded weapon

only other thermal option is pr and i aint taking that over pretty much any secondary

[kind swan]

PDW damage is slightly above AR for body damage but with rof/ammo similar to Machine pistol

AR has better headshots. But that's pretty negligible due to reliability and potential player error

Machine pistol on the other hand is just a better SMG imo

[prisma zodiac]

after its buffs yea

it actually has decent numbers

[kind swan]

SMG also just has the worst flashlights. Close range wide

Also some shotguns are pretty low on that list imo

Tweaks to be perfect but Pump shotgun has always been reliable
(Realistically the only tweak is sway bug)

[prisma zodiac]

to give some context

[kind swan]

Also ngl. Probably only like 20% of knife users can actually make it worth A tier

[spare crescent]

sniper is B?

[kind swan]

Sniper imo would be A-S give or take

[prisma zodiac]

honestly the real wacky stuff is,
too high: machine pp, smg, high cal, bullpup, precision rifle, spear
too low: rifle, hel gun

other stuff is close enough

well bat also kinda ?

[kind swan]

Bat is mid imo

Iirc it's the only melee that doesn't get bonus damage to doors

[prisma zodiac]

yea, but tbh melee is kinda hard to rank in context to guns

[prisma zodiac]

more like. its the only melee that doesnt gain environmental dmg when charging

bat taps break a small door as quick as hammer taps (its just way quicker at tapping)

its the 2nd fastest way to break doors

[kind swan]

I suppose the other thing is just getting used to Bats diagonal swing

[prisma zodiac]

B is generally fine, sniper is still niche

Its just that after BC nerf its niche is more appearant again. But still, you wont use it against smalls or so (unlike R6 sniper that legit had nearly as much ammo as choke mod did back then)

[kind swan]

18 round sniper

Back when one guy could just hold off 3 hybrid error

Probably still could ngl

[prisma zodiac]

i mean you still can

its just that you cant as long

[kind swan]

But more painful if you miss shots

Ye

Helrifle could probably also be B imo

[daring pilot]

Yeah bat is defo over spear

Probably over knife imo

[prisma zodiac]

yea, i didnt go on stuff thats kinda arguable if you prefer it

in general usage, bat > knife

but knife has actual reasons to be taken in some situations

[daring pilot]

yeah

[kind swan]

Knife is nice if you can Knife the striker waves like nothing

[daring pilot]

Flashbacks to Fireblade R4E1 knife reactor hold

[kind swan]

But not many people can effectively do that

[kind swan]

The other thing is. I don't think many people who see that video would notice how he moves to keep momentum

[daring pilot]

Exactly, bat is generally better

[kind swan]

Bat gives you more reliability against giants other than being a diagonal swinging knife

(Aside from lock breaking)

[prisma zodiac]

bat is kinda like what pistol is to rifle (just in different strength lvls)

to hammer

theres only a minor reason to take it rly over it

otherwise its just a downgraded version of it

[daring pilot]

Bat also gives you the insta lock break, faster door smashing

And less stamina consuming

[prisma zodiac]

insta lock break in panic

door break is quicker on hammer

by a lot

[daring pilot]

Oh rly?

Huh

[prisma zodiac]

charge hit go BRR

[kind swan]

Especially if you have multiple people doing it

2 charges for small doors and 3 for Large doors (Hammer)

[prisma zodiac]

meanwhile bat needs 5 taps and 8 taps

[kind swan]

Iirc that's the same as Charged knife hits

[prisma zodiac]

the quickest solo door is also 1 hammer full charge and 2 taps (or rather a specific middle charge but its easier to spam usually)

[prisma zodiac]

yea, but then you gotta charge

[daring pilot]

OH

that’s why I was so confused

I never knew the door size mattered XD

[kind swan]

Hammer is still faster even solo ngl

[daring pilot]

so does that apply in reverse? Do sleepers take more time to break wide doors?

[prisma zodiac]

i think yes

[kind swan]

(But I'll still hear randoms saying bat breaks doors so fast)

[deft kiln]

Wide doors have like 12 hop

And small 9

[kind swan]

Small doors break faster than Large doors

[deft kiln]

Yeah

[kind swan]

Those are hits without foam

[deft kiln]

Yup

[kind swan]

Foam puts them to like 23/28

Or smth around those numbers

[deft kiln]

Foam adds nine

[kind swan]

I don't remember exactly

[deft kiln]

21 18

Unless your perma foaminf

[daring pilot]

cool

Not cool

[kind swan]

Numbers I saw off wiki but wiki ain't always accurate

[daring pilot]

I haven’t perma foamed in a long time

[deft kiln]

I could be wrong

But wiki numbers aren’t always the best

[olive shoal]

Yeah you probably are wrong

Bozo

[deft kiln]

30 hits seems like quite a few tho

[kind swan]

Permafoaming while simple is done in the least efficient manner imo

[deft kiln]

Idk what that means

[deft kiln]

You know now you have confirmed your spot in chaotic evil

[kind swan]

Foaming doors via 9 blob in 1 vs multiple spots for 9 blobs.

[olive shoal]

Good

[kind swan]

Foaming a single spot iirc is less effective than if you were Foaming multiple spots

[prisma zodiac]

wat

oh

yea cuz enemies eat the foam through the door

sometimes

:>

[daring pilot]

The thing where sleepers eat foam

We need an emote for that

[deft kiln]

No Evil

[kind swan]

Was listed on the wiki

[olive shoal]

Haha

idk why you thought I was good anyway

[kind swan]

And ever since I tried it. Perma foaming lasted longer from my experience

[olive shoal]

I’m on my villain arc

[kind swan]

[deft kiln]

I remembered after I posted

[daring pilot]

Sounds like a skill issue

[winter wharf]

is this why you won't play with me

or do i just suck

[deft kiln]

🪤

[kind swan]

It's a minor increase give or take.

[kind swan]

[kind swan]

So daky just gonna give shit to people who do foaming normally

[daring pilot]

Yes

[olive shoal]

No further comment

no i just haven’t played gtfo lately

[kind swan]

NGL

Same

[daring pilot]

Me too 😔

[winter wharf]

yea there's not much to do in the game

just been fucking around in pubs/solo r1a1 mainly

[half hornet]

Well, there we go.

First R4E1 wipes on the belt.

Although popping strikers with high cal for 15 minutes straight was fun. Until hybrid came and absolutely annihilated the defending team.

If kills in GTFO granted experience i would have like 2 level ups by now...

[pulsar zodiac]

modded GTFO be like

[half hornet]

with how often they lined up i wonder if HEL Rifle would've been better... Getting reliable 2-3 pen kills every shot sounds fun.

[prisma zodiac]

well yea

in a way

you wanna know a fun gun for r4e1?

PR

[half hornet]

that was in one my attempted loadouts

didn't made it past the initial bit, unfortunately

[pulsar zodiac]

HEL rifle my fav

[deft knot]

if this is a first ever run wiping on 6th wave in extreme isn't bad at all

[half hornet]

we ran out of ammo on the last scan and last 20 seconds we spent desperately trying to melee the wave with like 60% scan on the clock

[half hornet]

Well... There was like 3-4 wipes on the first chapter, then we finally made it past that and yeah, got pretty far after that. Got 2 experienced guys doing the code hunting, but unfortunately RNG fucked them up so a lot of time was wasted and we probably killed like 3 reactor waves too many

I went down like 3 times during the defense bit... All 3 times shot by my very own burst sentry, lmao

I hate when i have to fight for kills with my own sentry

Probably should've just picked it up

[prisma zodiac]

yep

[deft knot]

yea once people know the map layout in the reactor part the only annoying bit is the enemy placement rng

[prisma zodiac]

the tank error is honestly the far bigger skill check than reactor

and a team with 2 people knowing whats gonna happen and where to go can do that pretty well

[pulsar zodiac]

Kill all 4 moms
code 2-4. 6 will be much easier

[deft kiln]

It is what all the teams that clear the level do

Pull mom zone don’t think

[obtuse surge]

you walk through the room twice

??

[winter wharf]

Mom's up is fun but you probably shouldn't do it in a standard run

Me omw to partial pull one mother at a time to clear the path

[pulsar zodiac]

if you kill all 4 moms
you can defend in the mom room
even if code fetcher down in blood door or code 6
its easy save

[obtuse surge]

if you playing with ppl that cant survive the codes part

u also playing with ppl that cant kill 4 moms

[winter wharf]

Planning for failure is one way to do it I guess

[pulsar zodiac]

our group dont pull one mom at a time
we bring two shotgun
2 shotgun 2 mom
c foam 1
then 2 killed the 3rd one

[winter wharf]

Easier to just stealth the rooms tbh

[deft kiln]

No they are on to something

[prisma zodiac]

^^^^

[winter wharf]

Or send 2 people code searching

Or host migrate so all the enemies bug out and yhe zone is effectively clear

[obtuse surge]

solo the codes is easier than some A tier solos

[deft kiln]

ummm yeah

Especially if you have mines and know basic stealth/ shooting patterns

[winter wharf]

Code searching used to be cool and homely

[obtuse surge]

you can full heal constantly too from all the resources everywhere

[pulsar zodiac]

its simply too much resource in the current version

[obtuse surge]

its always been like that

[winter wharf]

Way too many resources

[pulsar zodiac]

40+ uses of ammo

[deft kiln]

Why are you trying

To get people to kill moms

???

[pulsar zodiac]

I am not trying to get ppls to kill mom
I just said its too much resources

[half hornet]

I found this bit to be particularly funny

We just starred at each other

[prisma zodiac]

did someone run an actual check for ammo/tool? cuz otherwise this might be a "r4d2 has so much more tool, ends up at 1-2 more uses :>" situation

[winter wharf]

You had loads of resources in og anyway, now it's even more ridiculous

[half hornet]

Goofy bastard

[deft kiln]

I would guess it is pretty similar

[prisma zodiac]

also being able to hammer clear 90% of og reactor was braindead as hell

[winter wharf]

I opened one locker in mom zone to 7u ammo 4u med, in the original there was only one ammopack there

[prisma zodiac]

the question is for the whole reactor pachi

[deft kiln]

Hammering waves harder than shooting them

[winter wharf]

Also found 12u meds in first code zone, iirc in og it was less than 10

[prisma zodiac]

@deft kiln eh

[deft kiln]

It really is

[prisma zodiac]

maybe bread went down twice

[half hornet]

Depends on the wave size

[prisma zodiac]

on our first clear

[winter wharf]

And I also remember finding more resources in 514 compared to og

[half hornet]

3-4 guys yeah

full 10+ waves? Not happening

unless you just constantly stuff your face with medkits

[prisma zodiac]

but like... in og you just ran in a circle and killed them all

no ammo spent

[pulsar zodiac]

at least 40 uses of ammo in E1 extreme

[prisma zodiac]

it was such a joke

brain off

[obtuse surge]

did you ever wipe because you ran out of ammo before

or did you wipe because your god kiting strat didnt work

[deft kiln]

Yeah pubs be crazy

Both of them

[deft kiln]

How many in og

[winter wharf]

You could if you were shooting and code searching went terribly wrong but I think everyone in this conversation is at a level where its hard to fuck up royally

[pulsar zodiac]

I checked
I think almost double in most zones
tunnel (code 2) had 5 uses of ammo

now its 10

[kind talon]

knife supremacy

[half hornet]

I just noticed just how much shit we're carrying on our backs. This... This is oof.
Back problems for life.

[pulsar zodiac]

with checkpoint bug you can carry an extra turbine on your back too

[daring pilot]

True

[kind swan]

and people think the fall damage is ridiculous

despite being capped at 60%

[half hornet]

Almost there... Almost done with this rundown.
...
Do i really need that PE?... Do i?...

[winter wharf]

yes, you should get r4c3pe

it is easier than r4e1

[vernal stratus]

liessss

[winter wharf]

I only lie if its funny

[prisma zodiac]

artek needs to do a repeat run of every level where he carries new guys

[vernal stratus]

most people are allergic to chargers

including me :3

[half hornet]

yeah, i'd rather probably redo this than C3

i'm so sick of chargers and their 30 HP

sniping smalls and shadows for 30 minutes is a much better use of my time

oh nice, a supply efficiency booster

first one in 2 months now

[fallow wasp]

Giant chargers are weirdly squishy

[obtuse surge]

[fallow wasp]

Chargers have 50% more hp than strikers

But giant chargers have the same hp as giants

Unless I’m on crack

[half hornet]

yes they are

which is thank fucking god

[fallow wasp]

They should have 180hp to be in line

[coarse berry]

this is why i use a tiny backpack. save your spine guys

[real moss]

👏

[prisma zodiac]

no, since they dont have a head multi. A normal giant or even hybrid (150 hp) can still be 1 shot by sniper, or quickly downed by choke mod with headshots

A bbc wont. BC and scattergun aside (insane outliers) the quickest way to kill a bbc is a sniper (3 bodyshots oof) or choke with a full burst

[fallow wasp]

But then why do regular chargers have more hp? They don’t have head multi either

[coarse berry]

regular grunts without a headshot bonus would still be easy to kill, but taking away headshots on giants limits your options more

[fallow wasp]

Indeed

[coarse berry]

so i think thats why they buffed their base HP too

[fallow wasp]

I’m not seriously suggesting they buff big charger hp, but I am personally not that intimidated by them, aside from their speed

[coarse berry]

i think their ability to basically instakill you balances them out

charger-speed punches with 40hp giant damage

[vernal stratus]

U wanna buff BBC?

Bring back sniper melee

[kind swan]

[subtle oriole]

How do you get this

what gun

[astral ferry]

long gun 😏

[coarse berry]

this guy didn't unlock weapon modding lol

[twin dirge]

its the secret DLC

[kind talon]

woah, ive been playin for under a year an i unlocked it

gotta get it fixed dude

[fresh bronze]

is it theoretically possible for 2 players to hit the back of the head the same time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901333559376228403/1110086277837103165/2023-05-21_22-56-17_Trim.mp4

[nocturne flax]

With desync anything its possible

[fresh bronze]

weird ive been seeing giants go down in 2 swings a lot lately and its starting to get strange

[narrow gulch]

it is possible

[glass mirage]

I've had it happen twice myself

[narrow gulch]

ive been getting it more since r4 dropped but I dont think theres any actual correlation

[glass mirage]

It's probably just luck

I assumed the first time that it was frame perfect but I didn't take desync into consideration - second time was with a lot more lag

[fresh bronze]

still not a solo charger kill but still strange

[prisma zodiac]

regarding the double occi, yes its possible

Im interested tho. Have you always had bots with you? Would be funny if theres a hidden bot mechanic

[fresh bronze]

Usually have one but sometimes no.

[boreal flame]

yo have you guys had any problems with R4D2?