#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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hallow lark
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Peak GTFO huh?

obtuse surge
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NEW BLACK ENEMY

hallow lark
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I’m guessing R4 is Tank Rundown?

hexed vapor
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Y'know how in R2 you do some stuff and then at the end you get the baby?

hallow lark
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I never finished R2?

olive shoal
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you get to kite the reactor

hexed vapor
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Oh

olive shoal
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It’s the perfect ending

pliant pasture
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i gues we are in spoiler chat huh

hallow lark
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I couldn’t find the time and people.

pliant pasture
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ya, every level has optionals, if not PE

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Tank intro

winter wharf
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the 1st mission of each tier has extreme, everything else has PE

pliant pasture
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E1 is the hardest level made in vanilla afaik

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uhhh, thats it though ya?

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autopistol auto sentry

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sawedoff shot gun R5 maybe

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probably some others

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first Trans scan i beliebe

velvet linden
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what are you talking about

obtuse surge
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T scan is only in R6

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we got sustain scans

velvet linden
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i love r4b3

obtuse surge
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no

velvet linden
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yes

obtuse surge
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no

velvet linden
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oh ok

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sorry

obtuse surge
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np

balmy robin
velvet flower
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Longer version:

  1. A huge portion of Error alarm (starts from A-tier, and one level in B-tier has a 95% error uptime)
  2. A lot of "optional objectives" which are not optional

Minor:
Tank
Shadow scouts
Sustained scan in extension

obtuse surge
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big chargers were also new

wary olive
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u think they will remove the ability to climb the top of the reactor and roleplay as a cat

obtuse surge
pliant pasture
west umbra
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Woot wooot R4 tmr

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Got exams on Friday, fuuuuuco

pliant pasture
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rip

fringe surge
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can't wait to return to this game and experience R4 E1

west crow
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im going to cfoam the r4e1 ladder

fringe surge
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all I want is r5

velvet linden
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Patch notes:
Added Alt://R4
Added autopistol
Added auto sentry
Increased Carbine damage
Removed ladder from R4E1

astral ferry
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Increased Precision Rifle reload time

daring pilot
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u forgot the PR reload nerf

glad river
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anti giant cheesing

daring pilot
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burst canceling has been reintroduced

west umbra
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any particularly fun levels in R4?

astral ferry
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c - e tier

daring pilot
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lol lmao depends on ur def of fun

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R4A2 noises

west umbra
daring pilot
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yeah pretty much

west umbra
daring pilot
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i think B3 is also there but idk could be smoking

astral ferry
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b3 overload is fun, extreme and high are 💤

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r4 is just error alarms tbh

west umbra
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i heard C2 is long af

astral ferry
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probably on first playthrough, i would say it's about the same length as most r7 PEs

west umbra
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ah

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been saving myself for marria- I mean for the release

astral ferry
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overall i'd say most r4 levels are longer on average than r1-r3 levels
so more "content" i guess

west umbra
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im.... guessing they all do since I know even A1 has an extreme mission

astral ferry
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yeah every level has at least a secondary

west umbra
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woo

daring pilot
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5 extreme levels, seven PE's

chrome rivet
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Welp be seeing you guys in the morning

eternal dragon
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Can’t wait to play some A2 Foster

daring pilot
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._.

kind swan
deft kiln
nocturne flax
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r4 when

daring pilot
kind swan
nocturne flax
daring pilot
kind swan
daring pilot
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that must be blackdragon from the future!

kind swan
glass mirage
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you can tell it's a different version of blackdragon because it's 1 minute later

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clearly a sign of time travel

long stag
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it`s ez

kind swan
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3 immortals

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take it or leave it

deft kiln
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I have seen how dragon time travels

kind swan
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same

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shits crazy

deft kiln
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It is disturbing

kind swan
deft kiln
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I didn’t know the human body could do that

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Okay I Better start it before the joke gets old

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When r5

high vortex
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i have it on good authority r4 releases in 5 hours and change

deft kiln
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When r5 tho

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Already finished r4

high vortex
atomic escarp
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meow

atomic escarp
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Definetly a meow moment

earnest crest
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r4 when

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🤡

prisma zodiac
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HEL AUTOPISTOL @merry epoch

merry epoch
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I

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AM

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SCREAMING

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SIR

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I CAN STAGGER

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EVEN MORE

prisma zodiac
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Imagien if BC got nerfed from 20.1 to 20

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im happy with a lot of whats said

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in the patch notes

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veruta stagger tho

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O.o

winter wharf
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some of the changes are good I guess

plush basin
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gonna be even better for giants

winter wharf
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others I guess I'll have to see how it falls

nocturne flax
prisma zodiac
merry epoch
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HI PACHI

winter wharf
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really wondering if the SMG needed a faster reload

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HEY NYMN

merry epoch
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tbh it needed something over pdw

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ill take it

prisma zodiac
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Also bo bullpup change @nocturne flax

winter wharf
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I was gonna say something else but it'd probably have gotten automodded

merry epoch
prisma zodiac
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Am hyped for HAR and arbalist tho

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loved har

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and a heavy mg would be SICK

daring pilot
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Yo wait these patch notes are goated

cedar badger
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yo when is the patch roling out

broken scarab
cedar badger
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my game doesnt wonna patch atm im sitting in eu

broken scarab
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Restart Steam

winter wharf
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relaunch steam

cedar badger
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still waiting for the patch

cedar badger
hexed vapor
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Arbalist is dogshit now

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btw

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
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Worse ammo economy, DPS is (probably) the same, TTK is worse.

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It's just worse.

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The changes make 0 sense.

cedar badger
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you know they nerfed the weapons becouse they were overused

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and pushed others becouse they were underperforming

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and the focus of the game is to be as hard as possible

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without being unfair

nocturne flax
paper harness
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yeah but the shell casing is larger

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so bullets are bigger right

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:^)

nocturne flax
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Bug hunter activities right there

paper harness
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what's a bug hunter

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do they look for beetles

pliant bear
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Rad labs meduza turret..whats the difference with the usual burst turret?

hexed vapor
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It's not good.

winter wharf
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YOU ARE KIDDING ME

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errant vigil
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what's the problem here

light lagoon
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That it's not the bulkhead, just a generic secdoor?

obtuse surge
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increased charge up is such a big fuck you to a thousand hours of using the weapon

earnest crest
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Main was always grey door since like r6 tho?

light lagoon
hexed vapor
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Every balance patch makes me want to kms

obtuse surge
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i dont even think the hel gun is bad now

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but its bad until you get used to it again

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burst cannon is dead for smalls

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and they buffed sniper again

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so for bigs you dont take burst cannon

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the dev LOVE FIREBLADE

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another mg buff

nocturne flax
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Dont have to wait 20 seconds to open

west crow
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@broken scarab where's my cosmetics

nocturne flax
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^

west crow
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YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH

light lagoon
broken scarab
west crow
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no unlocks calle

broken scarab
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Should be though?

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Both the regular pool stuff and a rundown completion mask

west crow
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what if I've exhausted the regular pool

broken scarab
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That should be impossible

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Any mods installed?

west crow
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no

subtle vault
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I have the same thing too. I unlocked all the cosmetics(except the hyper seal torso and the new helmet)

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Do you have to complete all the optional objectives?

west crow
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i did optionals

earnest crest
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you only get cosmetics from main

broken scarab
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Yes

earnest crest
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beat a1/a2/a3 Main etc

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beat all mains for mask

prisma zodiac
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WAAIT

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is it only me

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or is the THUNK when you skip the drop sequence

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way quieter

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o.O

subtle vault
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I have all the unlockable from the pool, except the hyper seal one or whatever its called

high vortex
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@broken scarab just finished A1 with fireblade and others on his stream, none of us got cosmetics and none of us are running mods. R4A1 completion is showing correctly on the rundown screen. I think we've exhausted the pool?

ashen halo
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damn those are some good questions, but what is a pool

earnest crest
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So they didnt add anything new except the mask

high vortex
earnest crest
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kek, goddamnit i really wanted that orange colour

ashen halo
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reward pool?

subtle vault
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that

earnest crest
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item pool, reward pool, a random item from a pool of items after beating a level

ashen halo
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how can a pool be exhausted, it's virtual

earnest crest
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because there are none left to obtain

high vortex
subtle vault
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The New mask is okay lookin(tbh I thought it was something different)

ashen halo
subtle vault
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yes

ashen halo
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is the only solution

earnest crest
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probably

ashen halo
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i can't find any other reason why you wouldn't get new cosmetics

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other than you already have them all

earnest crest
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would have thought they would have added more but oh well

ashen halo
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kills the motivation eh?

earnest crest
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theres still a bunch of unreleased ones

ashen halo
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i mean they make new cosmetics or apparel but i dont think that's the case

broken scarab
wet drift
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can confirm i also didnt get one from it

earnest crest
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some has been playing since r6 so they'd have extras

ashen halo
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duplicates?

earnest crest
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people who missed out on r6 will still have a couple to get

wet drift
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there are many i dont have

ashen halo
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did you already play R4?

heavy siren
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I have everything except I didn't do r7e1

ashen halo
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if yes then you prob already got it's cosmetics or sumthing

ashen halo
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mario maker troll level

heavy siren
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Every time we attempted oops suddenly host has to go

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And so does everyone else

broken scarab
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Did anyone in here get a cosmetic for R4A1?

subtle vault
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That's how I got them all, AltR2 was a field day

ashen halo
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i did not complete any r4 expedition so i cant answer

nocturne flax
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i think they're not dropping at all

west crow
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a2 either

nocturne flax
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we just beat A1 and A2 fully

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no drops as of now

ashen halo
nocturne flax
west crow
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we on it

ashen halo
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alr

subtle vault
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this is the only one I'm missing lol

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hexed vapor
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Aigh, most balance changes seem good, actually.

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BC is iffy, Arbalist is fucking horrible.

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Arbalist is mega ???

frosty hound
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does "lower ammo" mean the amount of ammo per resource refill is lowered too?

velvet flower
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Yes

frosty hound
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yikes

errant vigil
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Cosmetics aren't dropping for people that completed levels when there were rewards for optionals

broken scarab
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Running around the office to check

chilly galleon
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so, essentially, bc now is sniper but weaker and less stable

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nice

broken scarab
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I know there was a discussion a couple of months ago, but I didn't think it would be a "problem" for R4

prisma zodiac
cold merlin
velvet flower
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BC is probably charger specific

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now

cold merlin
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(but then again, I didn't realize that cosmetics were granted for the optional objectives when I documented it)

broken scarab
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There where from the start, but we changed for... R7?

chilly galleon
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welp, isnt hel rifle oneshot chargers?

velvet flower
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BC is worse than sniper against boss now

prisma zodiac
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unless they halfed its ammo its still shitting on sniper vs mom

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and vs tank should be somewhat equal

errant vigil
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yea optionals gave cosmetics in R7 and R6 it stopped that somewhere during R7

cold merlin
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There were 48 grantable cosmetics at my last count (not counting the freebie cosmetics given to players when they first started (51 if you count the random free helmet , free torso, and free legs when first starting), the cosmetics given for rundown completion, and the limited-time cosmetics)

chilly galleon
prisma zodiac
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wait they reduced it to 15 per refill?

chilly galleon
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so yeah, sniper4win

prisma zodiac
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damn

subtle vault
hexed vapor
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Wait, wtf?

cold merlin
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yeah then you need to add a bunch more cosmetics

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Under the assumption that optional objectives never gave rewards, I predicted that several new cosmetics would need to be added with ALT://R4 (considering the main objectives from R6 leading to pre-R4 count of 46 cosmetic-granting opportunities)

subtle vault
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Don't worry guys, we got this new helmet to save us

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broken scarab
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That is a pretty dope helmet

subtle vault
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I was expecting a deferent one lol but this one did surprise me

cold merlin
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either way, point is, y'all ran out of cosmetics smh my head

broken scarab
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But I'll confirm

subtle vault
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:)

hexed vapor
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🙂

west crow
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doesn't that mean there aren't enough cosmetics

cold merlin
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yes.

chilly galleon
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skins for guns

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when

jaunty tulip
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always thought there would be new cosmetics added till r8 lel and at the end if u completed all the lvls of all rundowns you would just get the remaining cosmetics

subtle vault
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imo, they should add an used cosmetic set(Torso, legs, and backpack) something like that

cold merlin
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Anywho, if you didn't play R6 (and didn't get any rewards from optional objectives in R7 back when they were apparently granted), you're probably safe.

Whilst there are only enough cosmetics to allow 46 cosmetics to be granted, there are only 45 opportunities to earn cosmetics currently in the game. So no need to panic.

jaunty tulip
long stag
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lfp r4e1

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😄

pliant bear
broken scarab
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Could those of you that wasn't rewarded for R4A1, please DM me your Steam ID:s

cold merlin
obtuse cedar
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That is funny to see.

broken scarab
cold merlin
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makes sense 👍

prisma zodiac
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burst cannon gets 18 per refill now
dunno who said 15 lol

velvet flower
broken scarab
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DM me

hexed vapor
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Why does CS get 23 shots per reifll?

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Why?

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Even 22

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Why?

prisma zodiac
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holy what

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@broken scarab didnt get anything either Sadge
will wait for fix tho, doesnt impact gameplay so fine for now musicmommyPray

cold merlin
prisma zodiac
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is that the whole link or just the number string?

kind swan
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What the fuck

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Burst cannon damage got nerfed?

tough atlas
kind swan
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And Auto pistol pens now

tough atlas
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And I've cleared R7-1-2-3

broken scarab
maiden creek
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Wouldn't be GTFO without it's good ol bugs and issues. Least they're aware of the issue and already looking into it.

obtuse cedar
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Hey maybe while you are fixing that bug you can fix other bugs that are still in game like the horendous r7d1 🙂 would be Nice for it not to randomly crash the game

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Since you probably will bring back a bunch of devs that are working on new game to fix this one bug

broken scarab
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This is probably not a bug though

deft kiln
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Patch notes

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Massive

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Auto pistol is the only thing that is insane

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Wait nvm so many massive buffs

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Combats shotgun buffed?? @hexed vapor

hexed vapor
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Yep

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Might be the new strongest weapon in the game rn.

deft kiln
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What is going on

nocturne flax
deft kiln
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Is hel gun dead

west crow
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no

nocturne flax
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Its balance

deft kiln
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sweet

nocturne flax
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Finally

hexed vapor
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HEL Gun is pretty dead (read "balanced")

deft kiln
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Burst cannon dead?

prisma zodiac
pliant bear
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If it can deal damage - it works.

deft kiln
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Na we are meta slaves

pliant bear
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Ah yeah slaves

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Can't be helped then.

deft kiln
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Machine gun buffs seem crazy too

hexed vapor
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It has actual drawbacks

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INSANE

deft kiln
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Massive

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How is auto pistol

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I feel like it might be a little good

tough atlas
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I like it

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But I dont think it's gonna be useful vs targets bigger than normals

deft kiln
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It depends on its charger matchup

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Gonna do so weapon testing really quick

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So fun !!!

atomic escarp
pliant bear
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Finished R4A1, got this bad boy

half hornet
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I got that in R3

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Cute thing but needs an accompanying chest piece that I don't have, and not even sure if it's In the game

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It's part of some rubber protection set. This helmet is rubber, we have rubber pants but I'm yet to find a rubber torso

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I fucking hate phone sensors.

subtle vault
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That’s the one I’m missing too

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I’ve seen a few people with it

plain saddle
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If anyone is interested in the balance changes, check out #wiki-chat

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@hexed vapor @prisma zodiac I know you probably wanna eyeball the balance

boreal carbon
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Was just doing R4B1, and we got stuck because we did not know we couldn't open the resource sector 57 and the secondary objective during the same game

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Like bruh there was no hint, no mechanics to tell you do not do that, just a soft lock

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kinda messed up

balmy robin
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It was exactly the same back in the day

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Either you got the Secondary layer or the resource room in Main

errant vigil
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Not really a soft lock

balmy robin
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As long as the generator unlocking the ||door to the Reactor|| is still behind the bulkhead door, as it used to, it should not cause soft lock indeed

tough atlas
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It works exactly like it did in og R4B1

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Btw the room layout is a lot different in there

balmy robin
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As it tends to be with Alt://

tough atlas
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And I dont remember getting 7-8mins CD on waves

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We got 8mins for last code xD

balmy robin
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They might have increased the timings to take the stamina into account, but overshot it a bit

tough atlas
balmy robin
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It will help teams discovering the level and struggling to find the terminals

tough atlas
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because there was an extra room which meant they'd only stack on the closest door to the sec door

tough atlas
errant vigil
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It's the exact same time

tough atlas
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I also remember having much more ammo tbh in the mother zone

balmy robin
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Well, then you just got better Sleepo ^^

broken scarab
hexed vapor
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Okay, Arbalist actually seems to be fine.

lavish wyvern
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ok i have i little

hexed vapor
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It's basically just the same as Veruta now, so on one hand it's not really its own thing but on the other hand it's very good now.

lavish wyvern
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complaint

paper harness
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is B1 crashing for anyone else

hexed vapor
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A bit worse ammo, tho.

paper harness
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had 3 people crash in the same game

deft kiln
lavish wyvern
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how the bloody hell you guys messed up with the cosmetics?

paper harness
long ice
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Anyone had any unity crashes ?

tough atlas
pliant pasture
paper harness
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XD

tough atlas
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I dont cosmetics but what the fuck ever I care, only last mask matters

nocturne flax
tough atlas
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Like

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Only people that finished all R6?

plush basin
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all the missing veteran cosmetics will be given to new players who started in Alt:R3. Eat the rich!

tough atlas
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Am I being punished for clearing R6 ;_;

high vortex
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@broken scarab if we clear the full rundown today, will we be able to run a second time post-patch for wardrobe unlocks?

cold merlin
# tough atlas How does it work?

Currently, there are only enough cosmetics in the game to allow for 46 opportunities for a random cosmetic to be given.

And some people have already collected them all.

lavish wyvern
tough atlas
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that ain't it

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read calle's announcement

lavish wyvern
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honestly i just need the 2 last masks

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the skull one

rough hazel
lavish wyvern
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and the trunk one

cold merlin
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Some people already collected all of them

lavish wyvern
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so

cold merlin
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And the Devs kinda forgor to add some more cosmetics

lavish wyvern
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may i ask how the hell tomorrow's patch is gonna help that?

paper harness
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this game fucking sucks

lavish wyvern
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do they have a secret stash of unused cosmetics?

plush basin
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They are in ms.paint making some more helmets today

paper harness
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they're slapping a muddy shader onto an old cosmetic and calling it a brand new cosmetic

cold merlin
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🤷‍♀️

lavish wyvern
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darn it

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i don't like how they're treating my baby game

azure sedge
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@broken scarab can you tell us if there are any new cosmetics added this rundown or if some people might run out of cosmetics either way?

cold merlin
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(there are no new cosmetics besides the rundown completion reward)

prisma zodiac
lavish wyvern
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you might have some

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i didn't complete d3 and 4 back in r6

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so i might have 2 extras?

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idk

cold merlin
lavish wyvern
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well

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one or 2 paint schemes

earnest crest
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keep in mind some of those are limited time items

lavish wyvern
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i know

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well i was hyped to play r4

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put i guess i'm gonna put it on hold to tomorrow

broken scarab
lavish wyvern
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tell us

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how many?

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atleast a close approximation

cold merlin
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at least 12 I guess lol

lavish wyvern
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god i would scream if they make half of the cosmetics paint schemes

pliant pasture
obtuse surge
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you store all the completions

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so there's definitely a solution where they do get their cosmetics

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you're just not gonna do it

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another L honestly

olive shoal
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common 10cc L

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funny behaviour

azure sedge
obtuse surge
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im glad i dont care about cosmetics

cold merlin
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Things are gonna get really interesting when ALT://6.0 gets released lol

lavish wyvern
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earlier than that

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rundown 5

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they're gonna do the same thing i suppose

cold merlin
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Well yes

pliant pasture
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but now its bit them in the ass, they can just create the cosmetics on time over the next 2 montha

cold merlin
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But when 6.0 gets released, there's the issue of 'everyone who already played 6.0 unlocked the 6.0 rewards'

obtuse cedar
pliant pasture
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nahh, just make more, if its made in advance its pretty easy to say what would be better for players, and saying "yaaaa, get bent?" is not their style, "we are doing our best!" is their style

tough atlas
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I'm not really expecting a lot of effort put into new palettes or generic mask number 142314 so I dont get why there simply ain't more stuff in the pool already, assuming they know how many expeditions R8 is going to get

obtuse surge
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the wrong ppl are doing their best

tough atlas
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Since sectors don't even matter anymore towards getting cosmetics

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Worse case scenario people need to do another high clear, whatever

velvet flower
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I doubt that'd work

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It's most likely only triggered the drop when completion from 0->1

split crow
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does anyone know the exact increase for the sniper rifles buffed ammo count

plush basin
split crow
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ty ty

wet drift
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R4B3 zone 38E 🙂

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obtuse surge
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MODDED NICKNAME

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!!!!!

wet drift
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lucky im not playing in official

olive shoal
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im a cheater Sadge

rough hazel
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the game changing mods are the reason we cant get our cosmetics. shame on you. Sadge

olive shoal
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its true

honest lotus
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pretty common

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often happens when walking through doors

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plus colored usename

wet drift
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i wasnt walking through a door

honest lotus
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thats why i said often

wet drift
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and every person in my team all had it

honest lotus
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there are other methods

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its just a slightly buggy room in that case that it deloaded

wet drift
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even when loading into the room from droppod

rough hazel
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no its your fault for using modded names, it broke the room pepe_angry

honest lotus
rough hazel
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my bad, im doing it as well

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honest lotus
#

u could change ur username on steam and u could do it

broken scarab
atomic escarp
#

calle if I've gotten every cosmetic since r6 how many are left in the pool?

rough hazel
broken scarab
atomic escarp
#

wdym fixed, adding new cosmetics?

broken scarab
#

Yes

atomic escarp
#

are they gonna be reskins

#

💀

cold merlin
honest lotus
#

that would provide too much effort to do tbh

#

and would probs cause alot of bugs for everyone that previously has the cosmetics

broken scarab
#

Depends on how big the pool is. I don’t think the system was made for everyone having everything piece

cold merlin
#

(not counting the 'limited-time rewards' such as onyx corruption or the red mask)

plain saddle
#

@broken scarab Thank the team for actual meaningful balance changes, they're chef's kiss

wet drift
burnt goblet
#

Rip burst Cannon nerf

deft kiln
plain saddle
deft kiln
#

very fun

olive shoal
#

been using it vs smalls and it feels fucking miserable

broken scarab
plain saddle
olive shoal
#

guess im a hel gun simp now

broken scarab
atomic escarp
plain saddle
wet drift
wet drift
broken scarab
#

🤪

cold merlin
broken scarab
atomic escarp
#

i already have every cosmetic i want thumbsupani

wet drift
#

what is the new ones have bones sticking out of your arm

atomic escarp
#

good point

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i should wait for the fix

#

what if

honest lotus
atomic escarp
#

the rundown completion is flashing neon rainbow palette

#

I wouldnt wanna miss out on that

fallow wasp
#

I really liked that bug where the masks had a neon purple glow to it

honest lotus
atomic escarp
#

I like the bug where i get licked through doors

honest lotus
#

and cfoam also goes through

#

door takes like twice as long to break but u cant do nothing XD

nocturne flax
#

And pr

broken scarab
nocturne flax
wet drift
honest lotus
#

yeah A1 A2 A3 B1

#

sadge

errant vigil
#

If I can shoot through the door the enemies should too

honest lotus
#

can we just have a joke rundown called rundown %ERROR% and its just a massive bug fest and u have to work through insane levels with those bugs XD

honest lotus
olive shoal
#

isnt that just any rundown

honest lotus
errant vigil
#

that's what I'm talking about

#

you can shoot through the cracks

wet drift
#

you can get them all in r7d1

errant vigil
#

and so can the enemies

honest lotus
#

interesting

atomic escarp
#

i like the bug where 3 8k hr players hard carry me through R4E1

honest lotus
#

imagine getting carried

honest lotus
atomic escarp
#

I've never been carried in my life ever widegladeline2

atomic escarp
#

that guy was actually like

#

bruh

#

why

honest lotus
#

still confused af what fully happened in those 3 seconds

#

as all 3 of u went down

atomic escarp
#

he put a mine down on top of 3 ppl with enemies 1 meter behind us

#

💀💀💀

honest lotus
#

so glad i left the room not even half a sec before that

atomic escarp
#

ok it was 2 of us

#

blue already downed

#

still a pepega play

honest lotus
#

yep

#

blue went down to idk what

atomic escarp
honest lotus
#

send me the full vid XD

atomic escarp
#

how much time do u want?

honest lotus
#

ALL

atomic escarp
#

i have 10 minutes which will take 10 years to send on discord

honest lotus
#

sounds like discord

atomic escarp
#

sounds like AU net

plush basin
atomic escarp
plush basin
#

this guy knew exactly what he was doing

atomic escarp
#

actually throwing

errant vigil
#

Should have been faster than him

honest lotus
#

we need to put together a massive vid of just random choices people make at the worst times XD

atomic escarp
honest lotus
#

R4 is the best time to do it

atomic escarp
#

can't wait for the R4E1 success rate stats

honest lotus
#

0.00001

atomic escarp
#

can't wait to see endless R4E1 lobbies

honest lotus
#

gonna be a small community that actually beat it

atomic escarp
#

can't wait to finish R4 and then uninstall for another 3 months

honest lotus
#

4 months*

errant vigil
#

2 months*

honest lotus
#

10 years*

hexed vapor
#

Just revert the recoil change, really.

prisma zodiac
#

the dmg nerf alone already makes the weapon way less insane

pliant bear
#

It seems that R4A2 has PE's marker in the campaign's menu, while there is none.

#

@broken scarab^

balmy robin
#

But there is PE in R4A2

winter wharf
pliant bear
#

Interesting then

winter wharf
#

You go into the extreme bulkhead door, and then from there you can properly enter extreme and overload

#

similar for r4a3, high + overload are contained past a high bulkhead door

plush basin
#

In the old version at least there is not a second bulkhead key, it just unlocks automatically at a certain point. Which might be what caused the confusion <-wrong

obtuse cedar
#

That change happened in r5. R4 has the same number of bulkhead keys as their are bulkhead doors

prisma zodiac
#

you had to bulkhead key all the doors swatBlank

plush basin
#

Maybe I'm confusing the the two A2s

obtuse cedar
#

R5 is the first time we started seeing less keys then doors

plush basin
#

Is it R5A2 that has the very interesting overload then?

prisma zodiac
#

yep r5a2 overload opened once you got the hisec

daring pilot
#

the funni overload

atomic escarp
#

ummmm

plush basin
#

ah okay my bad

atomic escarp
#

in a2

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didnt there used to only be error on secondary

#

extreme

#

w/e

#

the fuck u wanna call it

daring pilot
#

there was one on OVL

#

and it was the really annoying one that could pop every single scout in overload

atomic escarp
#

soooo r u supposed to do secondary first then

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
#

is there not like 2 scans u get to pick

prisma zodiac
#

yes

#

but no bulkhead in secondary

#

its a fun ride though

#

you can technically do it a funny way

#

and have 3 errors going on

atomic escarp
#

so if u pick sec first u cant to overload?

daring pilot
#

yeah

atomic escarp
#

i have

prisma zodiac
#

if you do main finish -> overload key -> hsu finish -> overload -> finish mission

atomic escarp
#

gaydhd memory

daring pilot
#

wait waht

prisma zodiac
daring pilot
#

i thought secondary had no bulk?

atomic escarp
#

im confused but w/e

prisma zodiac
#

its rly simple

#

1 bulkhead key is for the optional area -> in that area is another key you use to go to either overload OR secondary

#

overload has another key you can use to do secondary

#

and thus PE

atomic escarp
#

any one know whats the exact shotgun sentry ammo buff?

#

i mean bio buff

prisma zodiac
#

0.6x to 0.5x

chilly galleon
#

so bio now roughly doubling shotty ammo

prisma zodiac
#

yea
uptime doesnt change too much tho due to fire rate

open arrow
#

Anyone know if the cosmetic unlocks they will fix tomorrow are going to be new drops added to the pool for players that have all the objectives for R6, R7, and R1-3?

atomic escarp
balmy robin
#

How does that synergy works between Shotgun Sentry and pinged Bio targets exactly ?
The sentry shoots twice and it removes a single ammunition from its reserves ?

pliant pasture
#

yes, if its shooting at pinged targets, it cost less bullets to shoot bullets

balmy robin
#

It is a bit less intuitive than a straight damage or fire rate boost

#

but I'll take any

prisma zodiac
#

it shoots once and takes away 50% of the usual "bullet cost"

#

so sometimes it uses nothing

balmy robin
#

It's a 50/50 chance ok

prisma zodiac
#

well not chance

#

more like it just takes away from a hidden number

balmy robin
#

ok

pliant pasture
#

its a decimal reduction, so its every-other

prisma zodiac
#

12 - 0,5 = 11,5. so it still shows 12
then 11,5 - 0,5 -> 11
so after 2 shots 1 goes down

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with 0.6 it moved down twice every few shots

balmy robin
#

Same as the decimal on bullets per pack on Ammopacks, for instance

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Or the Mines one, where you would get 2 mines, then 1, then 2, ...

cold merlin
#

Currently trying to update stuff on the wiki to support showing biotracker symbiosis info for the sentries

pulsar zodiac
#

anyone playing C3?

#

the extreme is missing one cell

#

there is no cell in 266

#

for us

#

there's only 4 cells
1 - extreme
3 - overload

vague mauve
#

well, anyone noticed that the Extreme of C3 has only one cell, or we dumb or just we glitch

pulsar zodiac
#

I dropped again to see its on the terminal
but the previous game I can't see the 5th cells anyywhere
no one picked it up

#

no one found it

hexed vapor
solemn wigeon
#

That state of truth email is very sussy

prisma zodiac
#

having only seen 3 levels for now
If i would voice 2 issues

  1. some tile changes make me sad. Stuff like the R4A1 double bulkhead room or the R4A2 long ladder connector room are missed.
  2. while i do think having some alarms be higher than before is neat, i do feel like theres not been many asleep enemies. This is especially noticeable compared to some zones in say r3a1, r3a2, r1c2, r2c1, r3c1

It might just be cuz theres so many rooms and so many of them are big. But it feels kinda empty

broken scarab
#

R4 was also before the density bug fix

solemn wigeon
#

Fair enough on number 1, there are some iconic rooms i miss :(

prisma zodiac
#

oh yea
Been mostly comparing it to current levels tho

#

so all of them having the density bug fix

broken scarab
#

Gotcha

prisma zodiac
#

its noticeable vs even r7a1 imo

#

which i consider the easiest level in the current rundown system

#

still, a2 and a3 have been a blast to play through again

vernal stratus
#

Is it just me or are resources less abundant in this alt rundown?

nocturne flax
#

Use terminal

solemn wigeon
half hornet
#

Ammo goes brrrrrt

#

In multiple senses too

pliant pasture
#

i was a bit worried they would have R2/R3 ammo levels, glad they don't

solemn wigeon
#

Finally I've reached the dark secret I've had in my heart for so long

#

R4C3 PE

#

All that lies between me and 100% completion of the game

pliant pasture
candid dragon
#

so, with the enemy density bug fixed, does the intro room to r4e1 not pelt you with 6 hybrids, 3 giants, 3 giant shooters anymore?

winter wharf
#

I'd be concerned if there were 6 hybrids in that zone anyway, from what I could tell its 4 hybrids that spawn

deft kiln
#

lots going on ect

pliant bear
half hornet
#

That's a kevlar vest

pliant bear
#

Still the best set i've made with that helmet, imo

#

Yellow helped a bit

fallow wasp
#

best palette

half hornet
#

I prefer the camo one

fallow wasp
#

usually I don't like yellow, but it's a dark almost orange yellow so it's pleasing

kind swan
pulsar zodiac
#

D2 buff

#

😎

hexed vapor
#

D2 actually encouraging you to get the turbine is very cool.

#

That was my biggest complaint with the OG.

#

The intended route was just garbage.

#

But now, kinda makes a lot more sense.

#

More appealing.

nocturne flax
#

^ my man never listens

pulsar zodiac
#

me didn't get the turbine:

deft kiln
#

there

#

is a tad amount of ammo on d1

#

just a bit

solemn wigeon
#

Defending in the reactor?

deft kiln
#

bridge

solemn wigeon
#

Cringe

#

More fun to defend in reactor

#

Feels like you use up a lot of ammo too

astral ferry
hexed vapor
#

So very likely it will.

tough atlas
#

I like arbalist

solemn wigeon
#

Guys I just unlocked Overload and Main at the same time in D2 💀

#

I don't think this is meant to happen

hexed vapor
#

Omg, the fog turbine zone is moved over one zone.

#

This completely destroys the level design /s

solemn wigeon
solemn wigeon
tough atlas
#

ehrm

#

I'm getting a very weird bug I never saw with doors

#

Basically they dont load in properly?

#

And I cant ping them either

hexed vapor
#

Aigh, when R5?

kind swan
#

I haven't even got home yet

hexed vapor
#

Indeed.

#

10.5 hour gaming sesh.

#

We wiped one time on R4D1 (hardest level!?!?!?)

kind swan
#

skill issue

#

I'll probably die first 5 seconds R4A1

#

brings minedeployer

hexed vapor
#

Arbalist I think is really good for its trade-offs.

#

So, it has a worse eco than Veruta when spraying down.

#

Unless you hit headshots, which Arbalist is now very well suited to do even when full-autoing.

astral ferry
#

can I get the alt r4 review

hexed vapor
deft kiln
#

nlg

hexed vapor
#

Solid patch, solid adaptations, has issues but is largely good stuff, and also R4 fun.

hexed vapor
deft kiln
#

maps have a lot of walking

hexed vapor
#

I think C2 had it worst, I just think the level designer doesn't realize how many enemies there were in the OG.

deft kiln
#

yeah

#

i hope we get a density buff

hexed vapor
#

And some big zones are extended a whole tile for some reason.

deft kiln
#

but i dont think it be happing

deft kiln
#

causing some frame issues

hexed vapor
#

Map size is mostly just OG R4 weirdness, though, imo.

#

C2 was always a bit bulky.

#

C1 Secondary was always a bit bulky.

#

C1 always had the huge zones for 3 separate key spawns.

nocturne flax
#

can someone please

#

put like 17 terminals in c2

daring pilot
#

wat

nocturne flax
#

it was a little too empty

hexed vapor
#

Like, people appeal to density bug a lot

#

but I quite honestly think it's not related, I think there's just genuinely less enemies in many places.

#

Like, z204 in R2C1 has some crazy enemy density, and it's because there are just a lot of enemies.

#

Nothing to do with how they're distributed.

deft kiln
#

it is sad that we didnt update some of the questionable r4 level designs

nocturne flax
#

like what tho

deft kiln
#

c1 3 blood door key

#

is one

astral ferry
#

for replayability!

deft kiln
#

yes

#

very

hexed vapor
#

I don't think they want to make crazy overhauls, though, and they've done some good small stuff here and there.

deft kiln
#

yeah i understand there is a few things that feel redundant

nocturne flax
#

They did change a lot of stuff where it does matter tho

deft kiln
#

yeah

hexed vapor
#

Like, the small change of having a low elevation zone late in D2 does wonders for the intended fog turbine route.

nocturne flax
#

r4e1 mom fight its a lot more dangerous and open

#

you either back pedal to open area or push

#

extreme waves actually get to you in time and in bulk

#

unlike the og where they kinda come in a line

#

"feels" like it gives you less ammo tho in reactor

#

only use a couple of 2 uses and made a 4 use ammo last

#

D2 turbine its good

#

d1 theres no cringe bridge strat

deft kiln
#

there is

nocturne flax
#

not like the og

#

where you backtrack to spawn

#

and wait for waves to come in

#

chad 1 guy hold 1 lane strat stays winning

deft kiln
#

that sounds more fun

#

ngl team

#

i and getting annoyed at my games

winter wharf
deft kiln
#

yup man abandoned by my friends and it isnt going well

winter wharf
#

unfortunate

hexed vapor
#

Cosmetic incident?

deft kiln
#

yup it seems that way

#

and bread is off in yaunder

winter wharf
#

there's always something horribly wrong with the new ALT rundown launches

#

playing through ALT 4 makes me appreciate OG more

#

probably the opposite of the desired effect tbh

half hornet
#

Explain.

winter wharf
#

explain what

half hornet
#

In detail whats wrong, what is "the desired effect", and what is the opposite of it and how.
(I'm genuinely curious, I just got here)

prisma zodiac
#

but r4 feels empty in a lot of zones

#

hell r4a1 secondary litteraly has a zone with 10 rooms that have 0-2 enemies

winter wharf
#

oh, you can probably take it any way you want, the way I'm taking it is "Hey look we added the alt rundowns so you could play through the levels again isn't that neat haha, you don't have to play old files because we added the levels back"

but then playing through the ALT levels makes me want to go back to the original because of a couple of reasons (better tiles, preferred the lighting/graphics of the old version, the movement system was better)

hexed vapor
#

Yeah, R4 has always had big zones, but it also had lots of enemies.

half hornet
#

Hey... Reduced ammo, reduced enemies. Seems fair. They did reduce the ammo packs right? So I heard.

deft kiln
#

no

#

it isnt fair

nocturne flax
#

people just need to use a terminal

half hornet
#

Terminal bureaucracy strikes again.

daring pilot
half hornet
#

20 minutes to clear a zone because "can someone please get that pack I'm t-pinging?"

daring pilot
#

yeah I think A1 could've been slimmd down a bit

#

really confused what the cells in extreme are supposed to do

#

screw over speedrunners?

half hornet
#

Gud. Hate em.

daring pilot
#

idk man just feels a little unnessecary

cold merlin
#

A1 was rather longwinded

deft kiln
#

optimizing pathing

daring pilot
deft kiln
#

will be so cool

winter wharf
#

tbh it's not that different from original

daring pilot
#

for an already pretty long level,there are 2 cells in the zone with the gens

nocturne flax
#

trust me they didnt do that to screw speedrunners

deft kiln
#

i took this line too short

winter wharf
#

that being said

they put the alarms in different rooms, the cowards

deft kiln
#

welp 15 frames lost

nocturne flax
#

they did mess up on A1 extreme because they didnt allow double pulls with cell

#

sadly

cold merlin
#

those cells do feel a bit unnecessary though

prisma zodiac
daring pilot
hexed vapor
#

Take it up w/ the OG, lmao.

nocturne flax
daring pilot
#

had heard all ab the double alarm in A1

#

sigh

hexed vapor
#

I just can't get mad at a recreation for faithfully recreating something.

nocturne flax
#

got my heart broken when we realize it was in separate rooms

winter wharf
#

if only there were a way to... nope, nevermind

prisma zodiac
#

on one side, the double cluster is inconic

#

but its also fair that its gone i guess

winter wharf
#

it is what it is, tiles are bound to be different with ALT

daring pilot
#

I do like that A1 forces funneling and using doors

nocturne flax
half hornet
#

Well, I'm not playing till patch, so my opinions are objectively worthless for now.

nocturne flax
#

but they probably didnt wanna overwhelmed people

half hornet
#

Hey, how far do you think a 6/10 like me can get with bots?

winter wharf
#

depends which 6/10 we're talking about

nocturne flax
#

I dont know what a 6/10 is

winter wharf
#

because unfortunately there is not a standardised skill chart

half hornet
#

Not bad, but not exactly one of those headshot only robots that play competive CSgo in tournaments

#

Controlling spray is too much effort and for nerds

nocturne flax
#

I mean you can reach pretty far

#

believe in yourself!

prisma zodiac
#

As in rating themselves that

half hornet
#

Last time I got filtered by R3A3... thenboom But to be fair: bots are at their worst during time sensetive objectives that require thorough looting at the same time

daring pilot
light lagoon
daring pilot
#

like I was almost at extract on R3C1 with bots but I was struggling with R3A3

half hornet
#

Same reason I got filtered by R6C1 back in the day.

prisma zodiac
#

that said id probably go for like 7/10 personally?

nocturne flax
#

I mean bots you gotta play around them

#

this is a coop game btw

#

you should play with people

#

how good everybody is depends on how smooth the teamwork is

daring pilot
#

i'd probably shoot for around 6-6.5/10 idk, I'm definitely the most experienced player in my group and can partly carry, just not as hard because my team and I depend on each other

obtuse surge
daring pilot
#

i don't like putting things on a scale tho lol

prisma zodiac
#

That way nobody can suspect the 4 use tool

obtuse surge
#

i did C1 and C2 SOLO WITH BOTS

prisma zodiac
nocturne flax
#

There currently a homie on twitch streaming "solo" with bots

daring pilot
obtuse surge
#

i had to kick them on C2 surge

#

and solo the surge

daring pilot
#

waiting for tnenpi E1 extreme solo 😔

obtuse surge
#

cuz they wouldn't scan

#

easternunit where are you

nocturne flax
#

easterunit really did throw the best qol mod for gtfo and dip

obtuse surge
#

C1 ending with the bots was kinda funny

#

they were just shooting the waves while the tank was sleeping

#

i just did nothing

daring pilot
#

oh lmao wait is that not an autowake?

jolly perch
#

how is r4 alt

obtuse surge
#

yeh he just sleep

hexed vapor
jolly perch
#

dope

#

i might pick up the game again to play r4d2

#

wont be as fun with stamina though unfortunately

daring pilot
#

oh yeah I did discover a silly bug

#

that allowed me to host R4D2 even though I had only cleared R4A1

#

😳

obtuse surge
#

i rejoined B3 cuz my game crashed and it played the mother scream

#

like the R3C1 one

daring pilot
#

i do wish the doors still did the voices but ah well

light lagoon
#

It hurts me.

winter wharf
daring pilot
#

XDDD

daring pilot
obtuse surge
#

have you checked if the R4E1 10s scans still become 140s solo

daring pilot
#

which u probably have

nocturne flax
winter wharf
obtuse surge
#

here we go again

winter wharf
#

but the sustain scan scaling should have been fixed in r5

#

so it should probably not take 2m20s for a single sustain scan

obtuse surge
winter wharf
#

oh my god

obtuse surge
#

cuz R6D1 had a 10s or something

#

that become 2 minutes solo

#

so my man t-nenpi had to kite the giants

#

this is so sad

winter wharf
#

always a sad day when the solo strat (excluding door bug) is kiting/enemy capping

daring pilot
#

can't wait for the BlackDragon professional ALT R4 review

deft kiln
#

blackdragon no cosmetic

#

😭

errant vigil
#

Cosmetics gated me from completing E1

hexed vapor
#

The psychological test of being locked out of cosmetics is an unexpected but significant buff to R4.

deft kiln
#

yup

hexed vapor
#

Hardest content yet.

wary olive
#

wtf hel autopistol?

cold merlin
#

yep

#

HEL autopistol.

wary olive
#

veruta buffed?

daring pilot
wary olive
#

they are i agree, its just funny

#

is the arbalist change a buff or nerf

cold merlin
#

🤷‍♀️

daring pilot
hallow lark
#

How is Veruta and Arbalist guns holding up? I saw the patch notes regarding them

daring pilot
#

shots hit harder, it fires slower and has a bit less ammo, I really like the arbalest changes

#

the veruta's borderline broken now

#

imo

winter wharf
#

veruta was already insane

cold merlin
#

enjoy the extra 0.45x stagger

daring pilot
#

haven't tried Burst Cannon yet but I saw the new recoil and it's 😳

#

and it doesn't one tap strikers anymore

cold merlin
#

and it lost a burst

daring pilot
#

which means it's mainly relegated to giant killing, with waveclear being a lot less efficient now

wary olive
#

burst cannon, carbine, hel gun nerfs are nice to see htough

daring pilot
#

YES

cold merlin
#

carbine has an evenly-divisible max ammo capacity at least

daring pilot
#

I tried hel gun and was legit confused bc it kept on not firing