gtfo-spoiler-chat

[royal flame]

Can i stealthy kill him?

[deft kiln]

Yes

[royal flame]

Fr fr?

[deft kiln]

Solo and with team very “easy”

[royal flame]

But he looks so big 😩

[deft kiln]

He is big but you use that to your advantage

[royal flame]

What if one real player and rest is bots ?

[deft kiln]

Yeah should be easier than pure solo

[royal flame]

So how do I kill it?

[deft kiln]

https://youtu.be/lsGBJ5g_kLU

[nocturne flax]

Get to his back, wait for bots to get closer, full charge hammer to the back of the head

[deft kiln]

Here you go good luck

[nocturne flax]

bruh

[deft kiln]

We must teach him to fly

Not walk

[nocturne flax]

he cant barely walk

lmao

[deft kiln]

Maybe true

Maybe he is just a hummingbird

[royal flame]

Damm

[nocturne flax]

Just do what i told you with the bots

[royal flame]

Also which melee should I use

[nocturne flax]

hammer

[deft kiln]

Yeah just go behind him with bots you will be fine

[royal flame]

I know thay the bots melee are just cosmetics lol

[nocturne flax]

be decent with hammer then you can venture with the other more funny melees

[deft kiln]

Huge a nerd player you love to see them grow

[royal flame]

Hurray I'll catch with u guys after I finish r1a1 🤩

[deft kiln]

Ofc you go get them

[nocturne flax]

Go get em tiger!

[deft kiln]

See you later alligator

[royal flame]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/ru9sdb/a_guide_and_informational_post_for_bots_in_gtfo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

I used that post to learn about most bots mechanics

[deft kiln]

Mr dragon it is your post

Huge

[royal flame]

Holy smocks

[nocturne flax]

[royal flame]

Nice!

[royal flame]

Fukin look at that proud smug face hahah

[nocturne flax]

As long as people getting the info im happy

[deft kiln]

Mr dragon the bot whisperer

[nocturne flax]

i feel bad for bot bishop because people often blame him for everything on twitch

[royal flame]

Bot Bishop?

Also what made you guys get into gtfo

[deft kiln]

My partner

[nocturne flax]

nah im the bot researcher, Ava takes that title

[royal flame]

I got intrested after seeing markiplier playing it!

[pliant pasture]

i had a buddy get it while it was on sale and our group all bought it, and i am the only one left lol

[royal flame]

lone wolf till the end

[pliant pasture]

i wander from group to group

like Mad Max

but like if Mad Mac couldn't hit his fuckin shots

[glass mirage]

same for me, saw his first set of videos on this, forgot about it, then i think i saw him start to upload the R6 set and i decided to get the game myself then

[golden terrace]

I saw Bricky's video about it and liked the atmosphere

[real moss]

Highly suggested to find some people

[royal flame]

I'm trying I'm trying

I'm already getting tired of sneaking with the bots killing sleeper at a time is too much time lost and patience

[golden terrace]

what's your region mate?

i'm down to team up

[royal flame]

Middle East

[real moss]

depending on your region EU and NA have most active players

[royal flame]

Ik ik unfortunate

[golden terrace]

hmmm

lemme check the timezone

[real moss]

Ping to EU should be fine

[royal flame]

It's 6:38 pm for me rn

[golden terrace]

Since i'm from Brazil you're a lot ahead from me but I guess we can work something out lmao

it's 11 am

probably gonna have better luck with someone from EU

[royal flame]

Even if i do find someone discord calls over here are a nightmare

[plush basin]

what do you mean by this?

[royal flame]

The middle East don't like free communications 💀

[plush basin]

Ah

[hexed vapor]

Discord calls are haram

[plush basin]

But you can talk on discord here now? Using a VPN for that or something?

[golden terrace]

sometimes i forget free speech is a privilege

[royal flame]

It's 50 50 if it's any good

[golden terrace]

What rundown you on mate?

[royal flame]

Is talking through the game that bad?

[golden terrace]

not really, I didn't have any problems with in game VC

[royal flame]

R1a1 💀

[hexed vapor]

It's pretty good, actually.

[plush basin]

I think maybe my settings are wonk but everyone in the game is super quiet when they use in game vc

Discord is better but if thats a poor option I guess in game voice works

[golden terrace]

I'm down to help you out with R1A1

[royal flame]

Haram indeed especially since Ramadan is coming 💀

[plush basin]

Its just finding people that also talk through it that will be harder

[golden terrace]

gimme a bit, finishing some work meetings

you available in like 10-15 mins?

[royal flame]

15 to 30 minutes yes!

Can we go my pace when we game 😩

[golden terrace]

Absolutely, i'm not a pro so we're probably gonna take it slow lmao

[royal flame]

Hurray!

[ruby plume]

Alright, I’m a little more calm about this, so Imma reach out to the community again.
R2E1 is a bloody nightmare for me right now. I feel like I’ve tried all sorts of strategies, all sorts of loadouts, but no matter what me and my team of randos always seem to wipe during the final error alarm race back to extraction. The two surge alarms in between certainly do not help one bit.

Any tips from the pros? Or am I just gonna have to pray rng throws me a bone?

[golden terrace]

Will stick with you for 1-2 missions, because after that my lunch break will be over and i'll need to get back to work lol

[royal flame]

Same same

I'll most likely stick to 1 mission too!

[real moss]

where at the error you die?

[ruby plume]

Oh at all sorts of places. The run to the first surge alarm, first surge alarm, the run to the second surge alarm, the second surge alarm. The second surge alarm is pretty much the farthest I’ve gotten, and that was only one time thus far.

Just about every fail state you can imagine I’ve been through

[plush basin]

The first surge alarm is by a good ways the hardest imo. With my team we left the cells and baby behind and cleared a path to the door making sure to save all the doors we could on the way, THEN went back to the start, picked up the kit and went back. Setting up for the alarm we tried to get a good timing between error waves to cfoam two doors and then chucked fogs etc and did the scan

If you can get through that the rest should be easier, but with PUB teams its always gonna be a more mixed bag

I'm not totally intimate with the level though, others might have more consistent strats

[ruby plume]

Yeah I’ve certainly seen my fair share of PUB moments

[hexed vapor]

What weapons do you play, and can you solo R1B1 while doing the full alarm path?

[real moss]

different groups ?

[ruby plume]

Yeah different groups

And rayalot I haven’t even considered doing any missions solo

[hexed vapor]

Okay, you should, your combat skill is the most control you have over the group's combat skill.

What weapons are you playing?

If you can solo R1B1 and R1B2 w/ a sentry, you're in a pretty good spot combat-wise.

[ruby plume]

Let’s see…
• hel shotgun heavy assault rifle
• pdw hel gun
• pdw hel rifle

[half hornet]

Solo be cringe

Play game properly

[hexed vapor]

Solo on easier levels is really good for practicing the game.

It heavily emphasizes your own contributions.

[half hornet]

Sure, but imho not that different. With bots maybe? Since they dont anything but fight, so it teaches you at least logistics. Well, not teaches... Forces to understand.

[hexed vapor]

Definitely not with bots.

[real moss]

Take a better main. hel revolver, carbine, hel shotty

[half hornet]

Either way I see no issue with gun setup. Aim better I guess.

[hexed vapor]

The whole point is that you are the only person who's able to clear waves, besides your sentry obv.

[ruby plume]

L m a o

[half hornet]

When it comes to sleepers just do whatever it takes to make sure it's dead and doesn't kiss you

[real moss]

yeah it will be hard to be consistent

[hexed vapor]

I dunno about HEL Rifle, but things look mostly fine then. HAR is going to depend on how the gun feels to you, mostly.

[errant vigil]

Assault rifle Revo easy win

[ruby plume]

I find the har to be a good backup to the hel shotgun, but maybe I can try hel gun instead
Idk

[real moss]

the team will need serious stugger power next to killing power

[hexed vapor]

It's really not that bad, it's just fairly clunky to most people and it doesn't actually have any desirable stats.

But "not desirable" isn't horrible, per-say.

Just people tend to gravitate to MGs instead.

[fallow wasp]

I prefer the shotgun and revolver for special

Hel gun is also nice

[plush basin]

having a hel shotgun on the team is great for all the surges on that level

[ruby plume]

Mg and hel shotgun seems like a lot of downtime with the reload speed, but at this point I’m willing to try anything

[half hornet]

Which level again?...

[hexed vapor]

It's compensated a little by your mag size.

[plush basin]

R2E1

[half hornet]

Oof

Yeah that level is cursed

Fucking hate it

[plush basin]

I'm not confident on it

Was surprised when I got the win

[fallow wasp]

Truly a diabolical level

[half hornet]

Big brain play: drop it, wait for R4 update, bring in quadro auto sentry.

[ruby plume]

Oml lol

[golden terrace]

playing the long game

[astral ferry]

auto sentry now seems pretty underwhelming

[velvet linden]

auto pistol is where its at

[astral ferry]

true!!! become the auto sentry!

[half hornet]

I've done it with Bullpup + pump action + Cfoam. Brought boosters that buffed shotgun by like +40% damage, foamed all da ladders.

[ruby plume]

Foam seems like the play yeah

[half hornet]

We won with 1 guy standing with literal 1% HP

[ruby plume]

O h

[velvet linden]

please do not being bullpup to e1

or any other level for that matter

[half hornet]

Yeah don't that just my cult thing

[astral ferry]

dont listen to his bullpup slander

[velvet linden]

jamie, bring up the spreadsheet

[half hornet]

For what it's worth I tried HEL shotgun too.

It did jackshit.

[hexed vapor]

You have to actually aim it, and teammates have to be with you.

[half hornet]

Didn't made it past first room

[astral ferry]

uses weapon poorly -> assumes weapon is bad

[half hornet]

Hey, I make every shot count

[ruby plume]

This feels like a telltale decision
A.) trust Voxy
B.) trust Mountain Man

[half hornet]

Enemies were not dying, and once reload settled in - it was over.

[ruby plume]

[hexed vapor]

I mean, this kind of sounds like your "BC can't kill multiple enemies" take.

[velvet linden]

choose wisely

[astral ferry]

i have over 3 r2e1 clears, so i like to say im an expert

[velvet linden]

i have -3 because im evil

[astral ferry]

go back to r2d1 you heathen

[ruby plume]

oh no

[velvet linden]

ur just mad that i found the best level

[hexed vapor]

Being real here-

actually, first, switch weapons,

but it kind of sounds like your teammates are completely useless if they're not able to back up HEL Shotgun chip.

[half hornet]

That is what I was hoping for

I was taking careful "nah, stop it, bad mutant" stagger shots

But nobody was following through

So I just held the horde of for 10 seconds and then they ripped us apart

[hexed vapor]

That's not a HEL Shotty issue, though, that's a dog teammate issue.

If anything, HEL Shotgun is the ultimate filter for if you should waste your time.

[plush basin]

You only need to stagger them long enough to survive the scan and then you aren't gonna fight them til you all are in the next one

But yeah if you run out of clip and there are 12 guys bearing down on you still its not ideal

[hexed vapor]

Somebody please help.

I hopped into R2E1 to practice, and opened this locker

But I have no idea wtf was in here

I don't have any consumables

[plush basin]

this is the first sign of dementia

[hexed vapor]

OHHHHHHHHH, it was an artifact

[half hornet]

Artifact?

[ruby plume]

Yknow the things that give you boosters?

[hexed vapor]

Still stocking up on -bioscan speed

[astral ferry]

ready to wreak havoc on r6d4 t-scan

[plush basin]

3 guys find a pub and run full -bioscan speed when R6C1 comes back out

[astral ferry]

does the t-scan just reset to the start after travelling long enough?

[hexed vapor]

It phases through the wall, on a direct path from the end position to the start position.

[pliant pasture]

noooo, you must be joking

please

[plush basin]

Sounds like cap

But if true thats the funniest troll ever assuming it goes somewhere unreachable

[pliant pasture]

that would be hilarious

[astral ferry]

sounds about right, i remember watching a nuggies stream where he stacks up - bioscan boosters on the r6d4 scan and does what rayalot describes

[plush basin]

amazing

[pliant pasture]

only one t-scan in the game, tonight we lab

[plush basin]

good one to test it on as even solo its going almost full speed

[hexed vapor]

I think it depends on the t-scan as well.

Because some of them do just have end-points where they stop moving.

It's possible that's also a "motion" though, and after enough time it starts moving again.

i.e. if it's told to stay in that position for 30 or 60 seconds or something.

W8, HEL Shotty + MG is actually pretty based?

Soloed the first surge on it.

That's prolly just kiting being really easy solo, but still.

Bruh

[plush basin]

is this the bad zone

[astral ferry]

the sad rng

where you do double blood doors to get the essentials

[pliant pasture]

thats brutal

[hexed vapor]

Client BC's actually not too bad.

[deft kiln]

it isnt

[hexed vapor]

Only being able to "brush" is meh, but you can kind of get the recoil to do it for you, or you can slightly step to the side.

Brushing is also a good skill to develop anyway.

You'll want to do it on host from time to time no matter what.

[wary olive]

You're gonna get demoted from hel gun club president....

[hexed vapor]

At least I'm not playing HEL Rifle 🤮

[errant vigil]

Playing op R4 and R5 weapons

[astral ferry]

bring back r5 pistol

[vernal stratus]

Pre-nerf scattergun

[hexed vapor]

W8, Arbalist has a better economy than Veruta for killing Strikers.

The value on the spreadsheet is just a bit wack.

[pliant pasture]

is it less wasted damage for a lethal number of rounds?

[hexed vapor]

Not sure specifically, it just hits the 3-shot breakpoint.

But the spreadsheet calculation seems to think Veruta 3-shots, which it does not.

[pliant pasture]

so does that mean the spreadsheet is wrong? or are there some headshots getting sprinkled in here-but-not-there?

[hexed vapor]

It just means the spreadsheet is wrong on that square.

Divided by the wrong number.

[pliant pasture]

ahhh

post the updated one?

[hexed vapor]

19.57

Arba is 22.22

[pliant pasture]

is the spreadsheet on google drive?

[hexed vapor]

Yes.

[pliant pasture]

sweet. is the link pinned here?

[errant vigil]

That's the old one

Updated one has the correct numbers for both machineguns

[hexed vapor]

Ah, I c.

Didn't even see it got updated.

[pliant pasture]

ah. does someone have a link to the new one?

[hexed vapor]

It's a tab at the bottom.

[pliant pasture]

oh i should be clear, i don't have a link to the spreadsheet at all. could you send me that?

[hexed vapor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=284756070

[atomic escarp]

I'm pretty sure BC is able to kill scouts, right?

Is that because the chart counts only a single shot and not 5?

[velvet linden]

yes, 20.1 per bullet for a total of 100.5 per burst

[atomic escarp]

I get that putting that in COULD be grounds to start putting even other stuff (like IIRC Combat Shotty can kill Charger Scouts, just need to shoot twice in the back very fast)

But BC can shoot ONLY in Bursts, burst cancelling with items not being counted

[velvet linden]

by "putting that in" do you mean into the spreadsheet?

[atomic escarp]

yes

[velvet linden]

idk about any of that, i use a different sheet

[atomic escarp]

since the category for scouts reads "No" on all types of hit (body,back,hs,occiput)

[velvet linden]

that is a bit strange because head and occi should both kill in just one bullet

[atomic escarp]

Just doublechecked, it really just says "No"

[velvet linden]

spreadsheet L

find another spreadsheet

[atomic escarp]

Cybernetical Burglary resolves those mistakes?

[velvet linden]

you know it does

[prisma zodiac]

funny cuz it was „yes“ 4 times before the formatting change

[wary olive]

You could miss some bullets of the burst

If you meant like why not put in the total damage

[atomic escarp]

Dont know, still even 1 hit is enough if headshot so...

[pliant pasture]

there is an argument to be made to not include the full burst. But I think it's more of a devils advocate argument than a good one

[deft kiln]

No you for all the other guns the sheet has included all burst makes zero sense to just do one bullet. For shotguns do you consider one pellet

[obtuse surge]

i consider

[deft kiln]

Nice 🧐

[atomic escarp]

hello gtfo spoiler chat

how are we all today

[astral ferry]

bullpup bad

precision rifle bad

spear bad

checkpoint bad

ok we've exhausted all possible topics to discuss

[atomic escarp]

[olive shoal]

can we talk about the smg

i think it needs its time in the spotlight

[astral ferry]

as long as you don't provide any nuance

[olive shoal]

i would never

[astral ferry]

strongly biased opinions only

[olive shoal]

fires really fast

gun shoot quick

[pliant pasture]

[coarse berry]

you've done it you've covered everything

[atomic escarp]

Is smg actually bad or ppl just like saying its bad ?

Actual question btw

Same with hel rifle

[nocturne flax]

They're just "weak"

[hexed vapor]

Depends on how much you want to sweat.

SMG is just poorly statted, it's not really good for much while other Mains are at least better if not very strong.

[deft kiln]

SMG just doesnt feel great

[hexed vapor]

If you use it properly, it still works fine.

[nocturne flax]

basically, can you click head and just magdump anything thats a big and a charger

[hexed vapor]

HEL Rifle is playable, just mega boring.

It pens stuff, and kills the stuff it pens.

If you don't pen stuff, it's dog.

[nocturne flax]

I just treat it like a longer reload chokemod

if i cannot pen

I aint wrong

[hexed vapor]

Bro, you are.

Worse precision

Dog RoF.

[nocturne flax]

pres not a factor if your going for back damage

but true the rof its caca

[hexed vapor]

Matters for bosses, which is a big deal if your weapon already has terrible DPS.

[nocturne flax]

i abuse the 30 damage not really the pres on a gun thats for chipping away for waves

[nocturne flax]

for the been the most efficient sure, but it really doesnt matter when you have 3 other people you playing with

thats like me saying sniper its bad for smalls

[wary olive]

bad take, it 1 shots smalls....

[nocturne flax]

3

but you can treat hel rifle like a shotgun

[hexed vapor]

Being niche might be okay if it were really really good for that niche.

But like, it's really not.

Its big sell is if there are chargers, or if enemy pathing is super abusable (i.e. reactors with long hallways).

[nocturne flax]

Pathing its always kinda abusable tho

[hexed vapor]

Otherwise, it's not doing a whole lot.

[nocturne flax]

most of the time atleast

[hexed vapor]

Naw, otherwise I'd say BC is always top tier wave clear.

There's so much small shit that can throw off weapons that require a lot of set-up.

[nocturne flax]

just open the door and camp it

[hexed vapor]

Enemy animations fucking with their momentum, enemies pathing around obstacles weirdly, any amount of verticality...

[nocturne flax]

Unless you have a crawler throwing a big striker at mach 12 trough a small door most of those issue are honestly minor

[hexed vapor]

Hard disagree.

[nocturne flax]

Pen been bugged its hel weaponry biggest issue imo

[hexed vapor]

It's a big issue for BC usability, and HEL Rifle is largely in a similar position.

Line-ups can be kind of annoying to get consistently, and if you don't get really good line-ups your wave clear is ass.

[nocturne flax]

your line up dont have to be perfect to be efficient

at the end of the day you 1 shotting 2 to 3 enemies

your job with hel rifle its just to chip away the wave so you dont get too many inbound sleepers

youll get more kills with it than burst canon if you so wanna compare them both

[hexed vapor]

2-3 enemies is inconsistent, though, and if you're playing as dedicated wave clear you kind of want to compete with weapons that get twice your ammo.

[nocturne flax]

but i personally dont see them in the same tier

[nocturne flax]

5-4 pen its inconsistent

but in my experience with hel rifle the most consistent pen its 3

[coarse berry]

no reason to ever take it over other guns

[hexed vapor]

It's felt awful to me on anything that wasn't R3A3.

[wary olive]

hel rifle?

[hexed vapor]

Yes.

[nocturne flax]

Treat it like a shotgun

[hexed vapor]

If you treat it like a shotgun, it's just dog.

You should play Shotgun.

[nocturne flax]

nah

i got range

and pen

i stagger one shot

I see a lot of value on hel rifle personally

but i do see why it might feel like shit

[coarse berry]

personally hate the hel rifle, just doesn't click for me

wait no im getting them mixed up

love the hel rifle, hate the hel gun

[wary olive]

u take that back

[nocturne flax]

but helgun its just kinda the best of those two

[coarse berry]

i will refuse to elaborate

[nocturne flax]

no toughts, head empty

just spam

[hexed vapor]

Like, I take HEL Rifle on R7D2...

And there's no fucking line-ups because every single doorway is a right angle.

I get 2 at a time maybe half of the time.

And then when we get to fighting 3 tanks, I'm completely fucking useless.

I just poke them for our Sniper player.

So that they can actually do damage.

[nocturne flax]

like normal.......

you have to peak

its called teamwork ray

someone have to peak

[hexed vapor]

Bro, I have DPS on literally any other gun.

Even PR does better damage to bosses.

[nocturne flax]

Not all guns have to be all in 1

ya know

just shoot it

[hexed vapor]

I don't want all in 1.

I want at least a few things.

like most strong weapons.

[nocturne flax]

just be careful not to pen your frined behind the tank... and the one behind him

I dont really understand the frustration against bosses really

[wary olive]

balanced gun

[nocturne flax]

you have other 4 mothafuckas shooting at the same enemy

[coarse berry]

I know it's VERY strong in certain situation

but I just. can't get it to click for me

[hexed vapor]

BD, you need to PuG more.

I can afford to give up some things.

[nocturne flax]

so i can permafoam and do boring strats

i rather kill myself

[hexed vapor]

But to focus on literally only one thing for the entire game...

This is why you like PR so much, despite it not really being that good.

[wary olive]

is this the equivalent of someone saying a dog tier class is viable in an mmo is viable when their static is comprised of cracked players

[nocturne flax]

Static or not it doesnt matter when you use the weapon to its fullest

[hexed vapor]

BUT IT DOES

If I'm the guy that has to deal with giants or moms in R3D1 because my teammates are fucking useless, HEL Rifle is not it.

It does not have the firepower to handle those jobs efficiently.

If I have to let leaks through because they don't make for optimal pen shots, that's also not it.

[nocturne flax]

so you want to power creep the guns more?

[hexed vapor]

No, just put it at a reasonable standard.

Most strong weapons are good at mixtures of things, or are very good at only a few things.

[nocturne flax]

you say you dont want all in 1, but you cannot have hel rifle be able to 1 shot half of the enemy roster and have good boss dps

it already kills in 1 shot most of the most common threats in this game

[hexed vapor]

Also, this isn't so much about balance as meta.

[nocturne flax]

carry potential shouldnt be a factor in how you balance a gun

[hexed vapor]

It might be the case that HEL Rifle is perfectly fine where it is.

[nocturne flax]

strenght and weakness are

[hexed vapor]

But that doesn't make it good.

Sniper might be fine where it is, despite arguably low ammo.

But it's still a fairly niche pick for most content.

[nocturne flax]

pubs are always gonna be a mess because of the discrepancy in hours and experience a team have

some of them getting carried some of them good

its a gamble always

[hexed vapor]

A balanced weapon is not necessarily a strong weapon in terms of the meta.

[nocturne flax]

Hel rifle its a strong weapon

[hexed vapor]

It's not.

It's too niche.

It's mediocre for too many things, and leans too heavily on its gimmick.

[nocturne flax]

How its funneling niche

99% of this game its ramps and halways

[hexed vapor]

Killing only regular enemies that line up efficiently is pretty fucking niche.

[wary olive]

hel rifle only really feels nice to use for me against chargers. like i would probably take it in r6d2

[nocturne flax]

you dont have to only shoot regulars you know

[hexed vapor]

I feel like I already explained this, and you agreed.

The HEL Rifle's stats mean it's significantly worse at shooting at non-regulars than most other weapons.

Especially weapons with comparable stats.

It is slow af.

[wary olive]

would a base damage buff to 40 be too strong u think?

[hexed vapor]

At current ammo, probably.

[nocturne flax]

you gonna 3 shot big chargers like that

[hexed vapor]

Like I said, it's probably balanced despite being underwhelming.

And like Sniper, it's always going to be playable in environments that heavily favor it.

Reactors and charger-spam.

[nocturne flax]

We ended up in the middle

love it

[hexed vapor]

My position has stayed the same.

HEL Rifle not that strong.

[nocturne flax]

If i say it is strong, then we come on the same circle again for sure

I atleast belive its a strong weapon

[hexed vapor]

You seem to think "strong" is correlated with "balanced" in some way, and I don't see the relation.

Pump and Choke Mod seem fairly balanced to me, but I'd say they're stronger than HEL Rifle.

[nocturne flax]

Pump and choke do play fairly similarly but the thing with hel rifle is that you can easily just go from killing giants to funneling smalls

[hexed vapor]

But you can't.

You spend 3.6 seconds mag dumping the giant, then you have to reload because the gun sucks.

[nocturne flax]

why you talking like you soloing

and not with a full group

[hexed vapor]

Downtime is just not a concept to you.

[nocturne flax]

theres gonna be people around you im assuming

3 seconds dont matter when you got 3 people shooting

you magdump the giants then move to the door way to funnel

[hexed vapor]

If either 3 teammates are useless, the content splits you up, or the content is actually hard...

You might need to be a little independent in combat.

[nocturne flax]

got a primary right?

you compensate your weakness of your special? maybe bought a hel shotgun?

a rifle even

perhaps a carabine

[hexed vapor]

Mains aren't going to carry wave clear.

[nocturne flax]

your not in your own bubble

and your fightinh all 18 enemies from a first wave spawn

by the time you have like 6 left another wave spawn in and your either finishing fighting and reloading

[hexed vapor]

If I took HEL Rifle to literally just use my Main for everything anyway...

It would sure be nice if I instead had 2 weapons.

[nocturne flax]

its not that bad

[hexed vapor]

That could both contribute.

[nocturne flax]

you probably just need to get more accustomed to the gun

[hexed vapor]

I went out of my way to do that.

It's just bad.

It inherently limits what I'm capable of doing within the level.

Again, R7D2, in theory the ideal place to try it out.

I am literally waiting for my teammates to do all of the stuff.

While I shoot at something from the front every 5-10 seconds.

[atomic escarp]

I always play with 200 ping so BC for wave is kinda hard for me. BC for giants still super good tho

[prisma zodiac]

tbf, carbine can

[olive shoal]

Smg clears surges with no issue

[coarse berry]

carbine and PDW are definitely capable of that

[prisma zodiac]

pdw o.O?

[coarse berry]

I find that gun is. ridiculously shooty bang bnag

really shoots em in their gooch

[half hornet]

It reminds me of UMP45

Low fire rate, but hits harder than usual

Sleepers pop like fruits

[coarse berry]

it hits VERY hard for having 1000rpm

love that thing

[half hornet]

Now if only the game didn't lie about hip fire spray with that large ass circle

[coarse berry]

can't relate. dark sigma chad with crosshair off

[nocturne flax]

Ray changed my.mind hel rifle kinda underwhelming

Dont know why i remember it been so strong

[half hornet]

Any specifics what exactly tipped you off?

[nocturne flax]

Still an alright gun tho

Pls buff carabine

[prisma zodiac]

yus

[nocturne flax]

We did play fast tho wich hurst hel rifle more

[olive shoal]

I’m glad you can finally see the light

[quiet stone]

Samdown fam. It’s busted there

[olive shoal]

is it Sam

What changes did u make

[slim fox]

Yo

[boreal tendon]

the weapon needs actual enemies to be good, those are the changes

busted pos

[west crow]

Hel rifle does not work 👎do not falsely advertise it

[obtuse scaffold]

Nah it works

[west crow]

Do not gaslight me 😡😡😡

[half hornet]

Ain't worth the gas.

[obtuse surge]

add the real burst cannon to samdown

[tough badger]

r5 was loaded full of long hallways and chargers, hel rifle was basically performing at max efficiency all the time

[west crow]

Hel rifle cannot perform at max efficiency ever

[amber skiff]

Based SMG enjoyer

[sharp merlin]

wdym

can do

[nocturne flax]

Funnily enough i dodnt use it that much in r5 most of my uses where in modded levels and r3

But i blame ray for playing fast

Still pretty good

Its a strong weapon but hes right about been too heavy on its gimmick

This is so sad can we get r5c2 pre fix in the alt 😔

[west crow]

going to just start saying that people in my team are playing fast instead of admitting I'm being carried

[west crow]

its gimmick does not function properly

[nocturne flax]

Last time i check im always carrying your german ass

[west crow]

i can always lorde over the full hammer kite r4e1

your virginity was taken by me, mi amor

[nocturne flax]

It never happend

[nocturne flax]

Yeah.....

Sadly

[west crow]

tus pelotas son mías

[nocturne flax]

Cyberheist will address this issues

[nocturne flax]

I think you might wanna delete that

That doesnt mean whachu think it means

[west crow]

i live by my mistakes

there is nothing wrong with making a few

[nocturne flax]

We should play again

We dont gotta play b4b ever again since somehow it died before gtdo

[west crow]

that just means I have a chance of getting on the leaderboards

Gtfo does not have a leader board because I keep breaking records

Stay humble... love ulf...

[deft kiln]

Banned you can’t go faster than me

[west crow]

Your category doesn't count because I don't live in your country

[deft kiln]

My category goes beyond borders

It is all encompassing

[west crow]

You're legal 👎👎👎
I'm lawless 😏🤪🤪

[hidden crater]

What

[deft kiln]

NooOOO

Stop it

Mr beep when do you snipe my r3d1 pub duo lobbies

[nocturne flax]

If its lawles can i use cheats

[west crow]

I'm too nervous around cute boys

[west crow]

Only if I'm the one using them (I'm excluded from being disqualified)

[deft kiln]

Don’t see why not

No clip should be allowed

[hardy helm]

hey yall, while playing r3d1, have yall come across a weird bug where two mothers (specifically normal and big) would spawn when depositing the baby + at the end room?

just had a run where this happened, plus the extra mother spawn was stuck in a pillar which was weird; I'm wondering if anyone else has come across something like this in the past

[deft kiln]

umm like you put the baby in and got two moms

[hardy helm]

yeah

[deft kiln]

Yeah that doesn’t happen in the blocks like zero chance

maybe desync double wave moment

But if you got a p mom then someone doing funny business

[hardy helm]

hmm desync is plausible since everyone had conn issues, spawn hacker could be the case too 🤷‍♂️

who knows, thanks for the explanations tho @deft kiln, appreciate it

[olive shoal]

if it was just 2 normal moms id say desync moment but

a pmom def sounds like someone using cheats LOL

[twin dirge]

"hey guys is Pablo normal to see in R3A1??"

[olive shoal]

Yeah he’s a cute Easter egg

[nocturne flax]

double mom

just like the OG

[half hornet]

So let's clarify then: there are no mega moms in R3 at all, right?

[nocturne flax]

Yes theres Pmom fight at the end

[half hornet]

Oh right there was

I keep forgetting about her

[nocturne flax]

yeah shes really that easy

wish they put some bigs around her

[olive shoal]

should’ve put shadow giants in there

[lament drift]

Shadow pMother when?

[frail horizon]

you've got to admit seeing pmom for the first time is shocking

i was stunned seeing it

and then it moved

[atomic escarp]

please reload cancel revolver

[frail horizon]

not this again

(no)

ill do it when it becomes necessary

it has not yet become necessary

[half hornet]

Reload cancel your gaming license

[twin dirge]

you don't own the game
you only license the game for personal use

[velvet linden]

(He is still on B tier)

[west crow]

I'm going to tell my grandchildren that I didn't reload cancel in gtfo when I'm on my deathbed

[bold widget]

Bro real talk why do shadow enemies have different shapes and sizes

[real moss]

diversity

[bold widget]

10 chambers are secretly racist

[pliant pasture]

Shadow pMother Scout when?

[pliant pasture]

nah, not racist. however they did wait til R7 to include the snatch enemy

[velvet linden]

*pounce enemy

[nocturne flax]

I barely reload cancel anymore

[deft kiln]

I feel like you might do it instinctively

[west crow]

So called reload cancel haters when they use the hel revolver for 2 (two) seconds

"Erhm I'll do just a little reload canceling"

[half hornet]

Nough. I'll enjoy every frame of that animation, fucking watch.

[west crow]

You cant reload cancel with the bulpup

[nocturne flax]

Sometimes

But i try not too

When i actually see the enemies actually closing the gap to me it feels good

Keeps the preassure on

[west crow]

Failing to hold*

[nocturne flax]

I have to reload

I cannot reload cancel both my bp and pr

Hokding its an art my friend

[west crow]

Then why are you so bad at it

👎

[nocturne flax]

You wish

[frail horizon]

i know you guys arent still going on about reload cancel

[west crow]

We're trying to further categorize ourselves

[nocturne flax]

Yes we are

What else is there to talk about in this dead game

Content?

[west crow]

Cyberheist will address reload canceling

[nocturne flax]

Cant wait for me and beep to play cyberheist together

And just scream BAINN?!?! FOR 2 HOURS

[west crow]

I'm max kiting the alert guards

[nocturne flax]

Or a classic from cyberheist, The thermanl drill go get it

[west crow]

It's called stalling and it will be fixed during heist spree 6 of the early access phase

[frail horizon]

what even is cyberheist

[west crow]

Their new ip

[frail horizon]

it sounds a lot like pd2

[west crow]

I think that's what they're going for

[nocturne flax]

6 years from.now we gonna have C.A.C.A the sequel to G.T.F.O

Ghost reaction spooky

[west crow]

Why is my pub in the cheese spot of crime spree 3 - a2 - cyberbank

[frail horizon]

is there any media i can find that says anything about mr cyberheist

[west crow]

It's only been teased

No announcement trailer yet

the only things we know about cyberheist is its concept and the new addition of in game currency known as CyberPoints

[deft kiln]

How does chimp theory fit in to cyber heist

[west crow]

C H I M P
C Y B E R

do I have to explain?

[pliant pasture]

CACA doesn't stand for "excrement" it stands for the feeling you get when a bug ends your run and you think "this game is CACA."

[hexed vapor]

Did BR get stealth-nerfed, or did the sheet have the wrong ammo before?

Same for MP.

but stealth-buff.

Yeah, its precision got buffed to let it do more damage in the same number of head hits.

@nocturne flax Do you like patch notes? I love patch notes.

[nocturne flax]

Gotta love Undocumented changes

What change on burst rifle

We back to 6.6?

[hexed vapor]

Ammo reduced from 62ish to 54ish.

Per refill*

[nocturne flax]

Everything but the carabine

[hexed vapor]

Actually, I'm checking history and I think the sheet may have just had a bad value.

[deft kiln]

Would be so cool if they nerfed everything but carbine

[hexed vapor]

Nvm, it's actually just spreadsheet things.

Somebody put a number wrong 😔

[nocturne flax]

You got us excited for a min thinking something new happened

then break our hearts

how do you feel about it

[hexed vapor]

I should I have known better.

No balance changes until R8.

I will not falter next time 🙏 🙏

[solemn wigeon]

No balance changes*

[pliant pasture]

no balanced changes*

[deft kiln]

Hel gun has a really low usage guess we can give it 20 dmg

[astral ferry]

10cc please buff revolver flashlight

[errant vigil]

High Cal with less range has a better flashlight

[deft kiln]

True revolver players don’t need light

[astral ferry]

true revolver players don't reload cancel

[deft kiln]

True revolver players don’t need bots

[nocturne flax]

member when flashlights where suppose to be something to balance a gun

tbh they might as well just give all weapons good flashlights

[pliant pasture]

the flashlights on the different guns is, an extremely small factor lol
its a nice idea, but ya, too small to matter, just make them all pretty good.

[nocturne flax]

I mean you give a good flashlight on re vo

and i can definetly be hs people in darkness a lot better

but even then when weapons relied on hs a lot more flashlight kinda mattered imo

now most guns just have good bodyshot damage

[wary olive]

Flashlight on sawed off....

[frail horizon]

as a revolver player i can confirm

my eyes have adapted to an environment of darkness

[nocturne flax]

Have any of you guys experience stuttering with nvidia driver 531.29?

I started getting stutters for some reason right now

even tho it was completly fine

[twin dirge]

skill issue

[royal flame]

is that the latest driver?

[twin dirge]

why don't you google it

or wait

here's a link

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

IS THAT DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CLICK

[nocturne flax]

Hello dumbass yes i obviously google it and i didnt find my specific issue in it anywhere, i already reverted to an older driver now everything works as intendes

Ty very much

I was just curious if someone else had the same issue as me

Because nothing spooks me more than random 70% disk usage at random

[digital dawn]

Not even 71%?

[nocturne flax]

Not even 71%

Just 70%

Scary

[digital dawn]

Understandable

[west crow]

Been stuttering as well, which driver did you revert to

[nocturne flax]

528.39

[olive shoal]

Ay dw about that

im sure it’s nothing

[west crow]

scorched erf

[pliant bear]

Quite new to the game, and while i'm waiting for any R1C1 lobby, any suggestions on the weapons?

[plush basin]

whatever you are comfortable with can work really. If it were me I'd probs run carbine and revolver but thats my pref. Hel gun would be very strong too

[nocturne flax]

Hel revo helgun

Sniper sentry

Your next teammate
Hel revo helgun

And the next one
Hel revo helgun

[pliant bear]

For prev missions i loved weapons with thermal scope.

[nocturne flax]

And for the last one
Hel revo
Sniper

[plush basin]

maybe you'd enjoy the precision rifle here then but generally its considered to be bad. If I was gonna take it on any level it might be this one though

[pliant bear]

I used precision rifle, yeah.

[half hornet]

Precision is fine for 1c1

It's my go to weapon for it actually

If you can reliably headshot it clears people quite well

Then you just reload while turrets and teammates stagger them and it's back into action

[nocturne flax]

I would have one guy hold a hel rifle

Pretty strong must be in a the level thats a straight line

[pliant bear]

Yeah idea of hel revo and helgun is quite good

I've managed to beat R1C1 with bots

[atomic escarp]

hey, sorry i saw your profile and i just thought you looked cute in your picture. i really wanted to tell you that)) It's really rare to see drug addicts playing video games haha! I don't know why it's a guy thing honestly im like really against not breaking the law and like ill be the one in the jailcell cleaning the floors. We should really play Mario kart sometime its a really cool car game with a lot of fun moments, but don't worry ill be there to blueshell you ;) sorry that wasnt flirtring i swear im just trying to be friendly i really like your profile picture sorry was that too far? Really sorry i'm really shy i don't go out much haha add me on teamspeak we should talk you look really nice and fun xoxo gossip girl

[pliant bear]

and this is some handmade copypasta, nice.

[atomic escarp]

||no I just stole it off my friends steam profile I'm sorry to disappoint||

[pliant bear]

||even here you are nothing but a mere disappointment, yes.||

[fallow wasp]

Which of the prisoners would have the best chance at killing all the other three in a fistfight

[real moss]

Dauda

[fallow wasp]

I think woods has that psychotic religious zeal that would propel him to keep going

[glass mirage]

Either woods or hackett

[daring pilot]

Bishop bc he’d bring a knife

[glass mirage]

But I don't know about after they became prisoners, seems a much fairer battle

[frail horizon]

which of the prisoners would win in a fist fight against jimmy payday 2

[fallow wasp]

It would only take Steve GTFO

[glass mirage]

is that John GTFO's brother?

[fallow wasp]

Yes actually

[glass mirage]

ah, i thought as much

John GTFO sure seems to hate me and my teams when he's deciding our rng, wonder if Steve GTFO would be nicer

[fallow wasp]

Steve GTFO is a lot more relaxed than his brother

[frail horizon]

are you sure Steve GTFO could pull it off

[fallow wasp]

If anyone could it would have to be him

[royal flame]

letsss goo with bots as well!

choke mod really worked out well!

[half hornet]

Choke Mod is pretty cool. Even Bigger fuck off gun than High Cal.

Pretty much the only downside is that tube size.

[orchid kindle]

Congrats. If you beat c1, tell me how to do it

[royal flame]

Hahah

Will do mate will do 😩

[sharp nimbus]

hey guys i have a question, what do the dashes after the 1 mean? i figured out the 1 is how many times you did the level but unsure what the dashes are

[velvet linden]

each other dash corresponds to the secondary, overload, and prisoner efficiency (doing both secondary and overload in the same run). The dash means that the level does not have the corresponding extra objective.

[sharp nimbus]

ah thank you, just noticed r7 has them

[velvet linden]

yeah, r1, r2, and r3 all won't have any

[frail horizon]

i did

do you run sniper when with 3 bots

[royal flame]

how do you like dem apples

[royal flame]

get rekt! i frekin did it one meh first try!

[reef talon]

yeah but not with bots c:

[royal flame]

a win is a winnnnnnnnnnnnn ;^;

[royal flame]

oh wait

its you! we just played hahah

[orchid kindle]

Was that with bots?

[half hornet]

I mean you can clearly see players names...

[orchid kindle]

I'm blind

[kind swan]

Woods - Dauda - Hackett - Bishop

Unless you come across someone who changes their steam name to one of those

[subtle vault]

Bot Woods, my beloved

[royal flame]

is there really a bot named woods?

[frail horizon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/1083224213013405788/GTFO_2023-03-08_21-26-04.mp4

[west crow]

Can you turn off motion blur please

[frail horizon]

thats not immersive

[royal flame]

ah yesh i love getting dizzy as monster eat me alive 😌

[west crow]

Just this one thing coz please it's all I ask

[frail horizon]

i enjoy the default settings

im not dizzied by it

so its fine

[velvet linden]

me ragequitting after hearing my mom call me to let me know that my chickie nuggies are done (it is not immersive because the prisoners would not be hearing this)

[golden terrace]

this shit had me rolling

[golden terrace]

my boy was just chilling and you killed him in cold blood

that's why sleepers wanna kill us

unbelievable!

[frail horizon]

screw them sleepers

[twin dirge]

IT WASNT YOU BRO

[twin dirge]

I MEANT THIS IDIOT

HOW HARD IS IT TO GOOGLE "NVIDIA DRIVER 531.29"

[chrome rivet]

What made the original r2e1 so difficult?

[errant vigil]

Inexperience

[wary olive]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message
if u dont mind reading an essay 🤓

[chrome rivet]

I just got my third clear and holy shit that final error alarm run is still intense af

But yeah the og sounds worse

[solemn wigeon]

Everything is worse when you are unfamiliar

[twin dirge]

skill scaling increased a lot from release

I remember people saying R2 was super difficult

but it turns out it was rather easy

because everyone was noobs

[vernal stratus]

I still remember vividly how everyone who went in first time got so nervous when being informed of big shadow guys in that lvl 🤣

[deft kiln]

honestly because of all the talk about big shadows i got really disappointed

i thought i was gonna get a big shadow surge

was so hyped

[twin dirge]

me learning about the "Immortal" in R7 be like

[vernal stratus]

But once you realize he can be domesticated

Best boi Pablo

[granite token]

Guys do you think beating ALT:// R4E1 will become the de facto "right of passage" level of becoming really skilled in this game?

[winter wharf]

Eh I don't think so

But then again, nothing is the rite of passage to becoming really skilled other than pushing yourself and getting better

[velvet linden]

r3a3 is the rite of passage level

[winter wharf]

Reactor my beloved

R3A3 apex door hold (no burst sentry)

[vernal stratus]

I mean as long as you can pull your own weight and dont rely too much on others then yeah

Clearing a level is 1 thing, but knowing how to beat it? Yeah

[velvet linden]

being able to reload cancel is the only test of skill in GTFO. if you can do it, then you are skilled

[winter wharf]

If you duo original r4e1 (without exploits or circle kiting reactor), that's a pretty damn good rite of passage

No doubt it'll be easier in alt though

[vernal stratus]

Based on the statistics of completion from Early Access, I believe the devs had alr decided to make the game easier

See how much resources we get nowadays compared to EA

[atomic escarp]

I dont think anything will ever be, since people could either just doorbug or get hard-carried through levels anyway

If you see someone consistently playing good, they're good, and viceversa

[granite token]

I'm pretty sure that's the case

[atomic escarp]

Tell you what

I've seen a guy once "knife" the back of a charger on R7C2 PE

Only to realize it was a giant charger instead

he laughed, quitted discord, and left

Had he just not assumed things and just played with a little bit more humbleness

Heck, even getting shit wrong like that have a laugh or whatever

but no, it's either they're good or the universe is wrong and they quit

I've also been accused of plain false shit during a R7D2 run by... a certain someone

[vernal stratus]

I’ve seen one quit after being told not to not to wake up rooms using sniper to shoot smalls

[atomic escarp]

No, I did not wake up a normal sleeper in the charger zone because it's not a charger and it's obviously from the wave

and he slipped up and let that pass

But could it be that he's NOT as good as he thought?

[frail horizon]

ow

[atomic escarp]

Oh, no, he had "famous" people in steam friend list

Must be LATV's fault, he woke up an enemy that couldn't exist in the zone

But whatever, this is just me rambling at this point

[frail horizon]

ive never actually rage quit at gtfo

its one of those games that doesnt make you mad

despite its difficulty

[vernal stratus]

Ur a good man

Dont know if i can handle playing with someone i dont like for an hour long

[glass mirage]

ive never rage quit either, and i dont expect to because most situations can be turned around with enough skill

if nothing else a bad situation is a chance to practice and improve

[atomic escarp]

I avoid playing with certain people exactly because of that tbh

I mean, a guy once ragequitted a lobby I was in because someone "stole his disinfection pack"

I even talked about that a month ago I think

[vernal stratus]

But I’m proud of this community
This is one of the nicest out there

[half hornet]

No, it doesn't make you mad... Just depressed when you wipe that 90 minute long run at the very end.
You are already drained so there's simply no resource to be mad with. You just go "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurgh"

[velvet linden]

imagine all the time you would save if you reload cancelled

[half hornet]

Like 10 minutes. Tops.

What is it, 1-2 seconds saved per reload? How many times one would reload during an expedition? 100?

That's not even 5 minutes.

[deft kiln]

so based

[half hornet]

Can you like block people on this discord server to avoid those you'd rather not play with again, or do you just keep a hitlist somewhere and check it?

[deft kiln]

you can block people but they can still join lobbies unless you join on 3/4

hitlists are where it is at

[half hornet]

What if i block them on steam - would that help? Even Dark Souls can do that.

[deft kiln]

If you drop a code they can still play

[high vortex]

big scout???

[frail horizon]

this guy gets it!!!

also its like 0.5 seconds per reload cancel

[deft kiln]

That is a pretty significant deal when sleep attacks can be 1.5 secs!

You are kinda just wrong about their usefulness

[velvet linden]

reload cancel saves 1 hour off of every run

[olive shoal]

its true

thats why levels are done so quick now

and why ppl took so long back in the day

[ashen halo]

cool

[frail horizon]

that's only if you start reloading right as they begin charging their tongue

if you have 1 or 2 sleepers in front of you then run through them

if you're reloading in front of a crowd, cancel or not, you did something wrong

[errant vigil]

Unaware about autopistol

[velvet linden]

not if you reload cancel, then you can just stay there and keep shooting

[pliant pasture]

if you successfully reload cancel 10 times in a row, your damage goes up and a combo meter appears in the top right

[deft kiln]

My gtfo combo keeps going up

[chilly ivy]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW3gtSKzJdIHwAX541UXNIFIpH673_8Ni

[late bloom]

Immortal not beeing removed after desert arena ?

is this a new bug ?

[wary olive]

shoot it once

[late bloom]

i did

[wary olive]

did it die

[late bloom]

no

[atomic escarp]

10c moment

[late bloom]

we had 2 of them after the reactor XD

[atomic escarp]

u finished reactor wjile u had a pablo following u?

[late bloom]

yes

[atomic escarp]

[orchid kindle]

Based moment

[lament drift]

In the current version or was it a few days/weeks ago?

[twin dirge]

when R6 released

[late bloom]

today

[daring pilot]

I think that’s a different bug

Was there one for the entire startup sequence?

[late bloom]

yes

there was one immortal from beginning to end

[daring pilot]

Oh ok that isn’t pablo duping

[late bloom]

and then 1 from code 4

[daring pilot]

ah

That’s not how I’ve seen 2 pablo before

huh

[late bloom]

i didn´t record it sadly

[daring pilot]

Normally double pablo happens with heavy desync, and it occurs at the same time

[chrome rivet]

How do you manage the reactor in R7E1, every timer is extremely fast.

[prisma zodiac]

be quick

[twin dirge]

you have to prep each wave and code

[pliant pasture]

honestly the second and third code is not so bad on time, but the shadow zone in general is easy to botch

the first code timer do be tight

[chrome rivet]

See I have beat it once before, but somebody used door glitch. I wanna do it again but do it legit

But yeah the stealth and the reactor are rough

[pliant pasture]

ya, i am thinking you need 2 of 3 things:

1. the code people have to know what their plan+path is 100%
2. the shooty people have to be extremely efficient with their ammo/accurate
3. someone brings an aggressive booster for supply efficiency lol

because at least once someone brought efficiency and we got to just chokemod the chargers and the shadows. makes going that fast a LOT easier

[glad river]

I mean you can probably map out (most of) the area of almost any level on an terminal, because all you would need to do is just list the zone you are in. Which you can find on the terminal with "info" then you can query all the doors in the zone and find out how many areas their are and what area leads to a security door. You can also query the security door to see what zone it leads to and repeat the process.

You will also be able to see how many resources are in each zone. The only downside to this strat is that you won't know they exact layout of every zone, how many monsters are in their or which areas have important items (i.e. personal ids). You also WON'T know if any of the security doors have an alarm, need a key or need a power cell to open it.

(But you can always just use LIST -A to list every item in the level and see if their are things such as keys, cells, generators, cluster generators, reactors, fog turbines and even disinfection stations)

Ah fuck they're talking about when a reactor is going Dx

[deft kiln]

Knowing where to go will help. And having someone ready to type in the reactor code

Then don’t waste your time on stealth that doesn’t matter

[chrome rivet]

I have a map of the level and exactly where the terminals are, but yeah getting a path down is quite difficult.

[pliant pasture]

also, big fan of just googling the map, and looking at it with the team for a minute or two so everyone gets their mental map crystal clear

[deft kiln]

For charger room go right the door is safer and you can just shoot both the smaller charger rooms

[glad river]

But thats cheating >:(

[chrome rivet]

yeah waking up that big charger room is a death sentence

[chrome rivet]

Eh its not ingame so I think its fair game

[deft kiln]

I shoot shadow room and just hold 3rd code in there

Then spawn block

[pliant pasture]

HMMMM

You're Cheating! D:

[glad river]

Noooooo

My gf is cheating

[deft kiln]

Tight reactor maps aren’t difficult they just have reset conditions.

[glad river]

(Jk)

[deft kiln]

Have a map lamé difficulty not knowing where terminals are

[pliant pasture]

there's resetting because he learned something new, like where the terminal is. But wiping because you didn't find the terminal at all on that map is demoralizing. well worth the two minutes of research to just, see where they are

[real moss]

Take a deep breath

[nocturne flax]

When r4

[wary olive]

you guys think they will add bullrusher scouts to r4?

[velvet linden]

*Scout_Bullrush

[wary olive]

[royal lichen]

r4 with big flyers and checkpoints mmm

[pliant pasture]

i gotta not use speech to text lol

[pliant pasture]

ping scout_bullrush_420 -t

[dapper edge]

anyone know what happens if you deploy a sentry on the surface (in the desert areas), if you teleport back, will the sentry just be gone? or will it stay in the desert area

[atomic escarp]

I'm pretty sure the sentry just warps back into ur hands undeployed

[high vortex]

the sentry will get teleported back and you'll be stuck in the desert forever

[pliant pasture]

When you Getting teleported to or from, the sentry goes back to your hands

[dapper edge]

ty everyone

[velvet linden]

every time you teleport, your sentry gets slightly smaller

[pliant pasture]

but if you cut off the barrel, it grows back a little bigger

[obtuse surge]

the sentry stays there and starts its own adventure while you get a new sentry automatically

[pliant pasture]

thats beautiful

[glass mirage]

and because it started its own adventure, it wont still be there when you come back. it's sorta sad, but it's also inspiring to see the sentry out discovering the world

[nocturne flax]

Bot users backpedalling 150 miles so the bots actually shoot enemies challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]

[real moss]

Leave bot users alone. They suffer enough as it is

[dark rover]

Scout flyers

[high vortex]

I’m still crying rn actually after reading this it’s so beautiful

[glass mirage]

Maybe someday a sentry will come back to us with stories to tell, but until then I'm going to let as many sentries as I can be free

[atomic escarp]

"Ehy guys wasn't Hackett taller and less metallic?"

"Nah"

[pliant pasture]

"i hope someday we can catch up and have drink. until then, safe travels, and may god go with you."

[glass mirage]

I'd buy the sentry a drink

[coarse berry]

they deserve it for being so stupid

[hexed vapor]

Bruh

[real moss]

M8

[coarse berry]

the bots

ngl didn't see bot USERS and thought you were just talking about the bots themselves

[real moss]

yeah yeah 🧐 the backpedalling starts now

[coarse berry]

😔

[hexed vapor]

Least elitist GTFO veteran 😔

[real moss]

it could be worse indeed 😂

[coarse berry]

I wouldn't dare

[real moss]

I know. Just kidding m8 😃

[coarse berry]

I stand by what -I- meant the bots are incredibly stupid

[real moss]

Bots should never have been added to the game tbh

[deft kiln]

Na I think Grongus is on to something

[real moss]

It has created unrealistic expectations

[deft kiln]

We shouldn’t rule it out

[coarse berry]

disagree I think they make it way more accessible but they're just. incompetent on harder levels

[real moss]

That's by design

[coarse berry]

the worst part is that it would be so easy to make them less stupid

bad AI should not be 'by design' like them deciding to ammopack you mid-fight

[real moss]

The devs clearly stated you can not finish the game with bots

[deft kiln]

You can for the most part

[real moss]

Nah but that has nothing to do with later levels

[real moss]

for the MOST part

[deft kiln]

If they fixed the behaviours during errors it is fully doable

[real moss]

but they not intended to

[deft kiln]

100% but it is a way of playing the game

[coarse berry]

and how the AI just have no idea how to deal with tanks/pablo

[deft kiln]

Yeah I think if they just gave players the option to tell bots to stand in one place

It would be fine

[real moss]

Obv. But it is undeniable that it has created false expectations with ne2 players.

[deft kiln]

Yeah new players don’t know the things you have to do with bots to clear

And sometimes it is easier to have no bots

Ngl

[coarse berry]

actually true

they waste supplies, shoot you in the back

sometimes it is genuinely easier with no bots