gtfo-spoiler-chat

[solemn wigeon]

Hardmode

[sage steppe]

o o f

[fresh bronze]

Oh you did say r1c1

[plush basin]

Quad if you ever need help killing the scouts give me a call will help you go through levels like that quicker

[solemn wigeon]

Of course of course

[fresh bronze]

It might be time to learn that shift is the sprint button and you can uncrouch

[plush basin]

yeah you can kill 2 sleepers back to back if you start charging after the first one

so you don't need one person for each sleeper all the time

[solemn wigeon]

Really?

Interesting

[plush basin]

if you get the timing right, its not easy

[fresh bronze]

If your good you can do like 8+ without waking a room its all practice lmfao

[sage steppe]

if you run a knife you can chain like 7-8

more if you're better than me

which ain't that hard lol

[solemn wigeon]

Spent 40 minutes kiting the waves 😔

[sage steppe]

kiting???

[fresh bronze]

Knife is king for killing smalls

[plush basin]

you can't kite with the new stamina system

[sage steppe]

don't kite just shoot

find a point you can make a stand in

fight like it's the alamo

when you run out of ammo you have melee

[fresh bronze]

Literally suicide in any situation where ammo wasnt enough

[pliant pasture]

you can***
you just need sick door tech

[prisma zodiac]

or terrain

or (depending on enemy) good movement

[fresh bronze]

Lemme tell ya im a master at kiting giants

[sage steppe]

if you're at that point you might as well melee

[pliant pasture]

true, some of these enemies are dopey as hell

also, you don't all usually run out of ammo at the same time

[sage steppe]

usually it's me who runs out first tbf

then i just sprint around with a knife getting shooters

[solemn wigeon]

We ran out of ammo very fast you see

[plush basin]

if you run out of ammo its pretty much gg

[solemn wigeon]

We went nyoom

[pliant pasture]

what level?

[solemn wigeon]

B2

[pliant pasture]

oh ya, if you try to outshoot the shooters you will be on an up hill battle

honestly, that level you get paid off for running past them and doubling back when you have a full charge again

[solemn wigeon]

You'd think someone with 900 hours would be better at the game but no, I spent 900 hours on a tier

[pliant pasture]

i know that feeling, the group i started with i think learned some bad habits and i am still trying to get them to approach this game as faster paced and active

[solemn wigeon]

Fast gameplay is suitable for fast levels

[pliant pasture]

ahh ya, i did a run of PID Search that took two hours last night, i know the struggle man

[real moss]

It's suitable on any level

[solemn wigeon]

Doesn't feel right tho

[raven flare]

could u run through r7e1

sneaks part

[real moss]

Yep, altho that one is kinda rng

[raven flare]

GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME-

[real moss]

But still rest of R7E1 you are encouraged even to go as fast as possible

why you think the times on the first 3 codes are so tight

[raven flare]

not talkin codes but the way to the reactor :b

oh well guess its the same

[real moss]

game encourages it tho. Just look at how much more action there is in the deeper levels

[raven flare]

but ah rng it server me to say u cant

[solemn wigeon]

Ur mother

[real moss]

The way to the reactor is like 10% of the level

basically

[raven flare]

good enough

[real moss]

So my point still stands. thanks for listening to my ted talk

[raven flare]

:b

[real moss]

Leave his mum out of it that's rude to him

[real moss]

Think about it tho: R1D1, R2D2, R3D1, R4D1, R4E1, R6D3 and 4, R7D1, R7D2, R2E1

All with much higher focus on the faster pace of the game

[west crow]

R1d1? Fast paced?

Brother I'm SNOOZING

😴

[olive shoal]

our duo was fast paced right beep

right

[west crow]

Had to take time to cfoam the ladder

[olive shoal]

TRUE

[west crow]

Gonna have to be a reset

[real moss]

19 min for the level

[west crow]

That is not because the level is fast paced

[real moss]

Fair

Remove R1D1 from it then

[prisma zodiac]

You can play it fast paced
But the level design certainly isnt

[olive shoal]

best example of a fast paced level is like r7d2

and r2c2 tbh

[real moss]

Ah yes R2C2. forgot that one

[burnt goblet]

Any level with survive warden protocol or whatever that objective is called

[real moss]

So R5B4, R6C3 and R6CX sec.

[burnt goblet]

Yuh

[west crow]

R5b4???

It simply can't KEEP UP WITH ME

6 minute wait time

[olive shoal]

that level is fun like the first time u play it

[real moss]

yes but you beep beep your way through

[olive shoal]

after that u realise you dont need any of the side zone shit so you just hammer everything

[real moss]

R6C3PE was certainly a HUGE improvement on the concept

[prisma zodiac]

PE is very nicely done

main is :^ ) door waiting simulator

[real moss]

R6CX sec was ... I just don't remember anything about it tbh. It was short

[burnt goblet]

Shadows

Uh

Grabbing shit

Bringing it to main door since it was right there

That's all I remember

[west crow]

Sister they give you enough time to do your taxes AND mine every door

[olive shoal]

what if i evade my taxes beep

[west crow]

👮

IRS

[olive shoal]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pliant pasture]

my main point when this comes up is this: the skills for going fast through level carryover to almost every other section of every single level. These skills of really precise and micromanaged Stealth, don't transfer to any of the fast paced parts

[pliant shard]

THATS 1 L TODAY. I’m not the only 1

[olive shoal]

ur not alone in ur suffering friend 😔

[pliant shard]

[solemn wigeon]

You'd think that, but if you for some reason needed to super stealth through a room without killing during an alarm, having the precision to only kill what is necessary or get through undetected is a good transferable skill

[hexed vapor]

That was R4E1 Secondary, tbh. Some rooms you'd want to shoot through to get through quickly while full clearing, other zones you only needed to get specific things out of them and rooms had loads of enemies to deal with. It was a lot easier for the latter areas if you could simply kill a handful of enemies directly in your way, and from there you'd access terminals, bring through carry items, etc.

R7E1's 4th code is in a similar spot. You need to be moving very quickly without being reckless, because, while you are timed, the consequences for alerts are potentially catastrophic. If anything, that most players have very limited skill-sets in stealth is a big reason why the level is so hard to pass. The chances for bad alerts are a lot higher, and very manageable rooms will sometimes be perceived as "impossible."

[azure sedge]

i think we just need more innovation tbh

[olive shoal]

🙂

[solemn wigeon]

Not to mention you can't wait indefinitely since ammo is still a limited resource

[raven flare]

well maybe in r8 when its not
old rundowns

[pliant pasture]

I still think power stealth teaches you more about stealth mechanics than hard-core Stealth. if you are just ass blasting through rooms, yeah you don't learn anything.

with long-range aggro, and an attitude of walk don't crouch, you will learn to recover Stealth situations that a habit of hard-core stealth holds you back from

[solemn wigeon]

Please walk stealth through r4e1 codes

[pliant pasture]

oh no no, i mean for the learning process.

walk stealth isn't always the answer, but its a faster learning process than a fresh download player hard-core stealthing for their first 40 hours

[solemn wigeon]

I'd rather you'd learn hard stealth, builds up control and patience that a lot of people just don't have when going fast

Speed stealth has your trigger finger itching to go

Which is a disaster waiting to happen

[raven flare]

thats purely on the player

not
in general

[solemn wigeon]

Do you trust your teammate not to accidentally killing a pulsing enemy that's nearby one your friend just killed

[pliant pasture]

and for me, i run into a lot more pubs that get mad about losing 5hp because one small woke up than are trigger happy.

[narrow gulch]

they just like me fr

[pliant pasture]

and my starting group in gtfo, who are all better players at video games* than i am, are hard stuck on a similar mindset, and think R7C3 is impossible.

most players i play with need to learn what is possible with melee, and have too much patience lol

[errant vigil]

We have to stealth the mom guys

clearly a knife user

[fresh bronze]

its a level that breaks all norms and expectations in the game which makes it incredibly difficult to learn compared to levels that are objectively harder than it

[boreal carbon]

true giga chad move

[boreal carbon]

its alright honestly, if the team quickly clear the waves and don’t waste time on the charger scout sections

IMO supply boosters make it a loooot easier

[fresh bronze]

if your team is fresh to the game in rundown 7 or since either of the alt rundowns, c3 is so different to everything else

its not a hard level

but its likely the level you will spend the most time beating if you go somewhat in order

[boreal carbon]

yeah definitely

[fresh bronze]

once you beat c3 once the level becomes a cakewalk because you have already mastered melee to the point the level isnt challenging

[boreal carbon]

Took me more tries to clear this than E1

jesus

[fresh bronze]

we are farther in e1 in 2 - 3 hours of attempts than we got in c3 in 10 hours of attempts

[boreal carbon]

The melee isn’t the hard part tho

I think

[fresh bronze]

my team aint beaten e1 yet because sons of the forest dropped lmfao

[boreal carbon]

We always die on the double uplinks

[fresh bronze]

imo the shooting part of the level is piss easy unless you do the overload

[boreal carbon]

yeah we were doing the overload

()

[fresh bronze]

the waves can be handled by one person and a bot with a single sentry and there are so many resources

calling the shooting section a struggle is just a lie

[boreal carbon]

no no

[fresh bronze]

unless you do overload

ofc

[errant vigil]

Doing the uplink removes waves tho

[boreal carbon]

the 2nd uplink jesus christ

that slope

ended most of our runs

[fresh bronze]

aint done the overload despite beating the level twice i just know for main and even sec the shootout part of the level is the easiest

[pliant pasture]

if you do it 1. right and 2. fast

[errant vigil]

you're telling me you're there when the timer is done counting

[boreal carbon]

oh and snatchers spawn in the later waves I think

fun times

[pliant pasture]

but my team is still stuck behind the melee section because they don't know what their hammers canreally do

[boreal carbon]

4 hammer beta male

Knife giga chads

[fresh bronze]

the shoot section is literally so easy compared to the melee section

[boreal carbon]

*casually lacerate giants and hybrids to death

[fresh bronze]

imo if you fuck up in the melee part the run is dead pretty much but in the shooting section a fuckup isnt the end of the game

[boreal carbon]

everybody gangsta until scout goes “blehhhhhhh”

fun times

[fresh bronze]

a scout is one thing, a scout in that massive room before the first uplink

[boreal carbon]

yep

[fresh bronze]

pov bouta melee 6 giants and pray meanwhile 2 scout waves are quickly approaching

[boreal carbon]

We always close the lights after we clear that room

oh and last time we did that

the password for the terminal was changed

is this a bug or sth

[fresh bronze]

look man all i know is my friend solo meleed a charger scout no foam or boosters in c3

literally built different

[boreal carbon]

double hammer?

[pliant pasture]

ive seen it

[boreal carbon]

oh solo melee

how tf

[fresh bronze]

he hit it twice full charges before it went off

[boreal carbon]

hax

[pliant pasture]

tf

[fresh bronze]

desync caused it to stagger is what im guessing

[boreal carbon]

oh

[narrow gulch]

yeah that would have to be the case

[fresh bronze]

it fell over and he just bonked it again

either way built better

[boreal carbon]

I call hacks

[fresh bronze]

[boreal carbon]

or true gigachad

[fresh bronze]

it only happened because i missed and he hit

our timing was perfect i was to far behind feels bad

[pliant pasture]

i want to say someone hacked who killed one solo with 1 hit. but he fucked up a different one in that same session so idk

[boreal carbon]

booster?

maybe idk

[pliant pasture]

i remember no boosters, but i am a goldfish

[boreal carbon]

fair enough

[fresh bronze]

ive had situations where ive touched scout tentacles and they didnt go off because of desync

so ive learned to just assume desync before cheating

unless its completely blatant

[pliant pasture]

but it has to be boosters or hacking right? there's no 3rd mechanic/glitch that he is actually correct about?

completely blatant, solo hammer full charge, CS dies on contact

[boreal carbon]

yeah

[fresh bronze]

unless his hammer is a sniper rifle i believe so yes

[errant vigil]

IIX syringe gives triple damage

[pliant pasture]

R7D1

[fresh bronze]

oh yeah syringe exist

literally never use it so i always forget it exist

[pliant pasture]

oh really?

[fresh bronze]

its only there to make me sad in c3

[fresh bronze]

also going back to this learning the true power of cfoam tripmines for my team was fucking huge

[boreal carbon]

YES

c-foam trip mine is insanely strong on double giants

[fresh bronze]

bro we went in thinking cfoam trip mines where just a worse grenade

came out thinking cfoam mines where the best item in the game

[boreal carbon]

but no they are actually quite useful

[boreal carbon]

I still prefer c grenades

my aim is dog**** tho rip

[fresh bronze]

grenades where pissing me off because they literally would foam c scouts for a quarter of a second and say fuck you most of the time

[errant vigil]

You'll appreciate them more on R5D1 extreme

Bit of a overtuned item

[fresh bronze]

that and cfoam nades going straight through scouts had me very sad

[boreal carbon]

D1?

Imma check

Ok this looks

dubiously doable

maybe

idk

[glass mirage]

i've always considered foam grenades and mines to both be good

i prefer grenades for scouts or to foam a door but watching a foam mine freeze an entire wave is great

[hushed trail]

im guay

[raven flare]

sos molon :]

[atomic escarp]

In some cases it's really hard to foam a door with a foam mine

then again sometimes the nade just goes through an object

[real moss]

Better just nade or use the launcher and keep the tripmines for enemy trigger

[mortal granite]

cfoam mine are too good to just foam door anyway

[real moss]

👆

[amber skiff]

The last alarm on R5E1 and R5C2 is the only time I remember using cmines on doors

So you could shoot them and remotely refoam the doors to prevent the surge from getting in

[olive shoal]

I preferred auto foam personally

[scenic flume]

Two days

Yo guys look at what I’m bout to buy instead of a pc

[hidden crater]

Ballin'

[fallow wasp]

Alright gtfo level concept where it’s an entire hour error alarm but you can shorten it by doing uplinks

[real moss]

Why not 2 hours? with your concept I could totally see teams just sitting out the error

[fallow wasp]

Yeah 2 hours is better

Or the one hour error gets heinously difficult after 40 minutes

[real moss]

hmmmmm yeah why not

[fallow wasp]

To the point where yeah you could technically do it but like you’d need to be very good at slaughter

[kind swan]

Mf buying the Target Ball

[solemn wigeon]

I like your original idea. 1 hour error which is shortened by mandatory uplinks. After 1 hour has passed, the difficulty Ramps up. You can turn it off however near the end of the level

Make it Z tier

[fresh bronze]

every 20 minutes new enemies are added to the error, so 20 minute mark invis / invis giants are added, 40 minute mark chargers and charger giants are added

throw in some snatchers and maybe a boss enemy and you honestly got a interesting level

interesting is a strong word id say more of a decent level

[sage steppe]

add an immortal for the last uplink?

[kind swan]

[fresh bronze]

that would definitly shake shit up and make it less like r7d2

[kind swan]

you're in infectious fog 24/7

And it's the thicc kind where you can't see shit

[sage steppe]

😭

[kind swan]

Only benefit. Fog repeller man can sprint at the cost of increased stamina consumption

[fresh bronze]

this idea quickly turns the level from something kinda fun to a nonstop oneshot clusterfuck

[sage steppe]

i wish that's how heavy items worked

sprint with heavy items but super low stamina

[kind swan]

You need more pain for it to be fun ok.

[fresh bronze]

honestly its how they should work

I can run with a 5 gallon thing of water

my body will just regret it later

[kind swan]

My pistol and shotgun are already too hevy

Yet I also hate that pistol and shotgun are becoming my go to weapons

[sage steppe]

shotgun is kinda weird tbh

pistol i like

[fresh bronze]

my go to setup is still pdw/carbine and machinegun/high cal

depends on how im feeling and the time of year for my setup lmfao

[kind swan]

Shotgun is better the more tech you know imo

Then again. Sway bug exists

[sage steppe]

i usually run hel revolver/pistol and high cal

i don't like too many of the secondaries tbh

[kind swan]

High cal would still be one of my options but the damage took a hit

[sage steppe]

it's still good enough tbh

[fresh bronze]

i dont like many of the guns in general

[sage steppe]

can spray down 2 giants in a mag if you either aim or get lucky

[kind swan]

You lose charger one shot/charger scout kill potential

[sage steppe]

yeahhh haven't seen too many chargers but i like the choke-mod for those

[fresh bronze]

most guns are fairly uncomfortable to use so I just choose the ones I enjoy to play with rather than the most efficient setup

[sage steppe]

i don't usually run choke mod because of the ammo

[sage steppe]

yeahhh fair

[kind swan]

High cal dmg nerf made it also so you have to headshot shooters to oneshot them

[fresh bronze]

in a 4 man group as long as not everyone is running the super high damage low ammo weapons you can generally get away with not one shotting

so much ammo lost to firing at the same head of a enemy at the same time

[prisma zodiac]

Issue, uplinks stop alarms going on/queued waves from spawning

[prisma zodiac]

You can unless you get back dmg

[kind swan]

Alarmed/Blood door combo during error

😏

[sage steppe]

i usually run around them

if possible

[fresh bronze]

guess you could have a door in the back of the map that only opens at the 55 minute mark and you have to do a bunch of terminal commands and shit to get there

but then the map is just another terminal hunting level

which aint fun

[prisma zodiac]

If possible tho. Especially when they turn it matters less

And if you accounr for that, pump shotty can kill 4 giants in 1 mag

theres lotsa ways to do cool hurried levels

ramping errors are generally a good one

[fresh bronze]

r7d2 is a really good level and is the first shooting based level I have actually wouldnt mind replaying

[kind swan]

I just wish sway bug didnt exist

[prisma zodiac]

well yea lol

[sage steppe]

tbh i almost never have to kill giants that don't already have damage on them, from turrets or mines or other players

makes it a hell of a lot easier with any weapon

[prisma zodiac]

i mean you can clear the game with spear, bullpup, precision rifle and shotgun sentry (the only level i think would even become actually rough would be r7e1 lol)

but that loadout is rly… dog

[fresh bronze]

this is honestly the main reason i run machinegun over the high cal and chokemod most games

[sage steppe]

precision rifle was mid before the nerf

[fresh bronze]

usually i got one friend who likes chokemod and another running high cal so any more weapons like that and its quickly becoming a problem

[prisma zodiac]

i mean… machine guns are good af

[prisma zodiac]

low*

[fresh bronze]

both machineguns honestly slap and are really fun to use

[prisma zodiac]

even release prec rifle was super situational at best

[fresh bronze]

almost no wasted damage due to the massive clip aswell

[sage steppe]

i don't like spraying as much is why i don't run MGs

[prisma zodiac]

but at least it had uses

[sage steppe]

it was mostly designed as a scout killer, no?

with the added bonus of 1-shotting small enemies

[prisma zodiac]

That might be a perception thing mostly (tho generally a well balanced loadout is better to play wth obviously)

[prisma zodiac]

which would be a meme. So prob no

theres a ton of guns to kill scout with. Its not rly special

[velvet flower]

It's efficient against smalls and bosses/shooter varient, and very bad against big striker/any charger varient.

[prisma zodiac]

the termal, long range and 1 shot headshot were the quirks

[sage steppe]

the thermal wasn't super useful from the get-go

[fresh bronze]

ive shot the head of a giant so many times just for it to disappear fractions of a second later

[velvet flower]

And you need long LOS to compensate the low ROF

[sage steppe]

even before thermal nerf

[fresh bronze]

thermal was great in fog levels in fairness

it made the levels a lot less painful to play

[prisma zodiac]

Barely 5th most efficient special vs smalls

when thats its niche

[sage steppe]

if i want to kill smalls from a decent range i'm taking revolver

[prisma zodiac]

og prec rife was totally fine tho. Just had a stupidly long reload with thermal issue if making projectiles invis

[sage steppe]

you'd think a glowing projectile would have heat that would show up on thermal

[prisma zodiac]

Hm?

[sage steppe]

but why would they ever make it that easy

[fresh bronze]

someone else just happened to take the same shot before me

[prisma zodiac]

I mean unless its to stagger, neither of high cal, revo, choke mod or machine guns should rly aim for a giant strikers head

Also did ya know

prec rifle is closer to sniper in efficiency vs chargers than to any other special

:>

[sage steppe]

interesting

[fresh bronze]

i generally dont aim for central mass and almost always go for a limb on giants

if I can prevent someone taking 24% to a lick id prefer to do that

[prisma zodiac]

oh wait nvm

i forgot about changed high cal

its even worse vs big strikers btw

Sniper obviously does well

[sage steppe]

sniper has too much zoom i find

you're almost never at a range where you'd need that much magnification

[prisma zodiac]

since you want quick heads its helpful

[velvet flower]

You can quick scope in this game

[prisma zodiac]

also that

ive never had issues with the zoom on it

[sage steppe]

i think i try to use it too close then lol

[fresh bronze]

i personally just can never justify 3 bullets a ammopack tbh

[sage steppe]

i'd only run it if i'm playing with more than 2 players

[fresh bronze]

that and for some reason no matter how much i shoot the heads of giants they still survive the first bullet so ive given up entirely

[velvet flower]

^ because you hit the neck

[prisma zodiac]

3.6*

and remember. 6 was uber broken

[sage steppe]

i don't have an issue with the headshot

[prisma zodiac]

That was at subtonix

[fresh bronze]

doesnt really help getting a extra 1 bullet every 2 packs

[velvet flower]

Sniper is simply big/tank/kraken killer and it did the job well

[sage steppe]

i love it for hybrids

[prisma zodiac]

4 would be decent already

[fresh bronze]

even when i shoot high on the head it still doesnt seem to kill in one shot

[velvet flower]

Hybrid is one of the very good reason to bring a sniper on its own

[fresh bronze]

I am pretty much at the point where I just dont take the gun unless I know there will be a mother or tank and generally chokemod is better in both of those situations

[prisma zodiac]

id honestly wager 4 (safe if they dont wanna overbuff)
4.5 (increase to 14 max) or 5 (increase to 15 max) if they wanna be spicy with buffing it, would be neat to try for sniper

[hallow lark]

As a Sniper main of R6, Snipers are generally used in levels with high numbers of Giants, tanks, or for Kraken

[sage steppe]

if they up ammo, i'd say decrease damage but increase precis multiplier again

[velvet flower]

it's once 5 and it's busted so they nerf it back

[prisma zodiac]

R6 sniper was broken in basically every level

[fresh bronze]

hybrids die in one hit like good sleepers should

[prisma zodiac]

No real reason to

[hallow lark]

Not broken in my eyes XD

[fresh bronze]

not that janky ass neck hitbox

[prisma zodiac]

its currently underpowered (mostly pretty niche). So a buff to 4 shots per refill would already make it more fitting

[hallow lark]

Still cry for sniper ammo nerf….

[prisma zodiac]

It was god tier in r6

[fresh bronze]

it was basically a garunteed pick when i was playing r6

one person always ran sniper

such a solid weapon in r6

[hallow lark]

I know XD, I love it. Helped me learn how to play GTFO and fits perfectly into my soundless play style

[prisma zodiac]

its insane to think that a single sniper in r6 invalidates all giants on the map

we even ran double sniper on r6d3 first time and had way left over ammo when they kept spam shooting even for smalls

[hallow lark]

It depends on how much sniper ammo you have tho… if you’re fighting tanks… that’s a different story

[prisma zodiac]

nah. R6 sniper barely needed more than 1 refill for a tank

thats cheap af

[hallow lark]

Unless you or someone is a bad shooter with sniper since sniper usually require precision

[fresh bronze]

sniper even now is basically the perfect weapon for tanks

[prisma zodiac]

gotta consider that it was competing with scattergun and hel gu

and still was top dog

[fresh bronze]

scattergun was wild aswell lmfao

[prisma zodiac]

for ease. Chokes generally better sadly

[hallow lark]

Sniper does make the loudest noise tho.

So noise can generally be frowned upon more than others

[prisma zodiac]

afaik theres no noise difference for guns

[fresh bronze]

yeah and choke is also really good for snatchers and other things that sniper is less great for

[olive shoal]

why is this a rumor that exists

ive never understood it

[prisma zodiac]

i mean game sounds

People also think turbines wakes sleepers for a while

[fresh bronze]

cant sniper stagger a snatcher in one hit or am i crazy

i cant remember

[hallow lark]

There is for snipers vs other guns…. In terms of range

[olive shoal]

i mean people also thought holding hacking tool out reduced pulse use for a bit LOL

[hallow lark]

If you fire a sniper, you wake up an entire room unless you are of distanced away

[prisma zodiac]

it… shouldnt ?

[olive shoal]

its so weird

[fresh bronze]

not sure if that means it can or not

[hallow lark]

It can stagger but snatcher is SO heavily armored that sniper isn’t good for it

[fresh bronze]

Im not sure as ive never taken sniper on a map with a snatcher

[hallow lark]

I have and it’s terrible vs snatchers

[fresh bronze]

you would think it does in one hit or maybe two

[prisma zodiac]

im currently incapable to check stuff (another 12 hours of lab work and protocols and gotta sleep soon) so i cant go on

it has 40 dmg and afaik they have 50 stagger hp

[fresh bronze]

thats what i figured

[velvet flower]

It can't, had plenty sniper run in R7E1

[fresh bronze]

actually no i did take it on e1 a few times but i never fought the snatchers

[prisma zodiac]

Either way

Afaik theres no noise difference for guns

and for sniper
Buff it to 4 flat per refill pls…

[fresh bronze]

guns wake up one room over 100% of the time and ive never seen anything farther

[prisma zodiac]

they have a limited range

which gets lower for every room divider

[sage steppe]

in large rooms they might not even wake up the whole room

[prisma zodiac]

you can wake enemies up 2 rooms away. If they are within 10m lol

[sage steppe]

definitely made the mistake of assuming a room was clear

and got slapped by a giant

[fresh bronze]

like the doors to the rooms?

ive actually never seen 2 rooms away happen before so thats brand new to me

[prisma zodiac]

Open doors and other invisible room dividers (see basically every spawn area)

[prisma zodiac]

Thats cuz its rare?

2 rooms away but still within 10m

enemies gotta spawn close to a specific area/wall and you gotta shoot close to it while doors are open

[fresh bronze]

and i know of audio dividers, its fairly obvious when you 100% wake a room just go sprintining into the next side just to wake up 2 giants and feel true pain

[prisma zodiac]

a case where it hapoened a lot was r6bx

[fresh bronze]

yeah in 200 or so hours of play ive never seen it. I probably never would have known it was a thing if you hadnt said so

if it did happen I would probably have just assumed someone else woke them up shooting in the next room like a dumbass or it was a bug

[sage steppe]

i wish there was a way to stop bots from trying to shoot everything in sight when you're still trying to stealth

[fresh bronze]

respawn rooms im guessing?

[prisma zodiac]

ive tested and confirmed it on r1a1 (multiple spots) and r7b3

[fresh bronze]

i just wish they wouldnt shoot me when they do it

[sage steppe]

shooter: barely moves
bishop: so anyways i started blasting

[prisma zodiac]

no r6bx had a thin wall where giants spawned on the other side off. 1 of the 2 doors was a sec door (cant close) and the other part of the alarm door

Gianrs often spawned close to the thin wall. And since its an alarm you often shot close to the wall

[fresh bronze]

me and my friends arguing over who has to take the bot in stealth sections because we dont wanna lose health to stupid shit

[sage steppe]

once a bot took 20 of my health with an smg trying to shoot a striker

[prisma zodiac]

I mean they cant wake up stuff

so it doesnt matter rly

[sage steppe]

it still wastes their ammo and it's jarring besides when you're not expecting a machine gun to go off next to your ear

or into your left asscheek

[nocturne flax]

Sniper can oneshot stagger snatcher

[fresh bronze]

they shouldnt shoot in there is only one or two enemies awake in general

[olive shoal]

dont they only shoot when room is up?

[nocturne flax]

you have to shot the body

[sage steppe]

it's definitely happened to me

maybe a bug?

[fresh bronze]

im saying i think they shouldnt not that they dont

[nocturne flax]

if you a dingus and shot the obvious armor in the front it will not stagger

[sage steppe]

ahh lmao

i thought you meant they currently weren't supposed to

[prisma zodiac]

I prob have numbers wrong then @nocturne flax

sniper 40 dmg. No stagger multi
vs
Snatcher 50 stagger dmg hp

I know you can stagger it with a weakness hit

[fresh bronze]

problem is if you are multikilling they open fire like assholes most of the time hitting you

[prisma zodiac]

but a straight up body hit?

[sage steppe]

doesn't anywhere you can damage the snatcher count as a precis multiplier?

to some extent

[nocturne flax]

dont care about numbers

[prisma zodiac]

[nocturne flax]

thats what happens when you shoot it in the body

[sage steppe]

nope

that's how it's supposed to work but

[prisma zodiac]

i hate that i cant test this stuff rn

cuz people rarely try to show proof 😐 so i cant be sure

[fresh bronze]

in all of rundown 1 me and a friend did a duo with 2 bots and I lost more health to bots shooting me than to enemies

[sage steppe]

same

[fresh bronze]

even counting c1

[sage steppe]

i did a lot of r1 solo and the bots would light me up every alarm

they're fucking programmed to stand behind you i swear

[prisma zodiac]

Issue is that rarely ran sniper on snatcher levels (like neither of them are rly good for itj

[sage steppe]

and then they strafe behind you while still spraying

they have the trigger discipline of a 6-year old

[obtuse surge]

burst cannon tomorrow

[fresh bronze]

they stand behind you then walk through your body to infront of you right when your blasting that high damage secondary to ensure you oneshot them in the process since god knows they never have more than 20% hp

[raven flare]

if y'all playin with bots let em do the scans and stay behind

like don't get on the scan, get close to it and the bots will run to do it

and so now u got em in front

[sage steppe]

i've definitely high cal headshot the bots so much of the time

[raven flare]

and u can KILL EM--

i mean shoot normally :3

[fresh bronze]

reminds me of playing rundown 6 telling my buddies "I am using sniper do not walk in front of me"

[sage steppe]

laughs in hel revolver penetrators

[fresh bronze]

just for someone to do it seconds later and die

[raven flare]

me fr

i would do that

[sage steppe]

i did that in r7 b1? and my partner immediately walked in front of my scope as the alarm started and went from 90 health to 0

[fresh bronze]

sniper dont fuck around with team damage man

[sage steppe]

oh yeah

[fresh bronze]

in fairness it doesnt fuck around in real life either

[sage steppe]

the amount of times i've downed hackett

[sage steppe]

i mean what is it, 300 win mag?

[errant vigil]

Sniper do stagger Pouncer to body

[fresh bronze]

remember hearing a saying that bullet proof armor is not there to save your life its there to decide if you have a open casket funeral

[sage steppe]

i mean collapsed lungs from a bullet or collapsed lungs from crushed ribs, your choice

[fresh bronze]

doesnt really matter much once we start getting into anything high caliber its just death at that point

[sage steppe]

the final bonk

[fresh bronze]

50 cal bullets punch through 6 inches to a foot of concrete no body armor is saving you unless your body armor is a fucking tank

[sage steppe]

there is body armor that can stop .50 bmg

it won't save your life, but it'll stop the bullet

[fresh bronze]

yeah pretty much what im sayin

[prisma zodiac]

Whats the numbers behind it tho

[sage steppe]

i can check numbers?

[raven flare]

7 :D

[fresh bronze]

and the bullets are fucking giant to

[errant vigil]

Why do you need the numbers

if you're going to test like I did you'll see he staggers

[prisma zodiac]

to understand stuff and how it works?

[errant vigil]

even with 40 damage

[raven flare]

learnings fun

[prisma zodiac]

yeah. But thats either means the documented stagger value of sniper is wrong (actually has stagger multi), of snatcher is wrong (less stagger dmg hp) or smth weird else

[sage steppe]

2x to chest and back on a snatcher, 2x precision on a sniper

[prisma zodiac]

in that case sniper would 2 shot a snatcher

which afaik it shouldnt

[sage steppe]

so yeah, sniper staggers to the weak point

which is anywhere not armored

[prisma zodiac]

again. Im not perfectly knowledgable on sniper x snatcher interaction. One of the situations where i never used it

[glass mirage]

isn't precision multiplier only for head weaknesses specifically? because back weakspots are listed separately on the wiki

[prisma zodiac]

Heads and tumors

i am not sure about snatcher

[glass mirage]

well that's neither

[sage steppe]

snatcher might count

not sure how it interacts with tentacles

[prisma zodiac]

Again. If it counted you could 2 shot it

[sage steppe]

yeah doesn't sound right

[narrow gulch]

has anyone tried 2 shots to the tentacle portion

[sage steppe]

i always used choke mod to deal with snatchers

[narrow gulch]

because I know ive only tried a mix of back and front

[obtuse surge]

@errant vigil armor multi

[prisma zodiac]

Adding onto this

If the snatcher has that 2x spot everywhere but where its armored it would be staggered by choke, high cal and shotty in 1 shot aswell

[nocturne flax]

if i say something

its true

[prisma zodiac]

Thanks for the proof

the question is still „why“

[nocturne flax]

always gotta be the shitty speedrunners

[olive shoal]

do u think bullpup is a good weapon blackdragon (say yes)

[nocturne flax]

yes

[raven flare]

the question wasn't if it was true it was why it was true

[prisma zodiac]

Ah yes thank you

[nocturne flax]

my word its gospel

[olive shoal]

there we go

[sage steppe]

i remember having to dump multiple high-cal shots into its chest pre-nerf,

maybe my skill issue though

[obtuse surge]

we've never cleared an expedition when you brought the bullpup dragon

[prisma zodiac]

no but actually. Dragon pls dont you start with that shit aswell

[nocturne flax]

cap

[obtuse surge]

no way

[nocturne flax]

cap

cap

cap

wesley cap

[obtuse surge]

proof?

[nocturne flax]

i cant upload 60 gb of footage

[fresh bronze]

i used bullpup once and aint used it since

[obtuse surge]

correct opinion

[fresh bronze]

why the fuck is the wiki page for the snatcher standing on 2 legs btw

[olive shoal]

dont worry about it

[prisma zodiac]

Oh wait
Just realized. You shot it in the 2x dmg front weakspot no?

[obtuse surge]

a C tier

[prisma zodiac]

we were talking about no dmg multi

[obtuse surge]

nahh

[raven flare]

ah ok done let's go home everyb--

[nocturne flax]

stop pulling shit out of your ass, the topic was can sniper oneshot bodyshot stagger i went and i said yes, you said "people show no proof 😦 " and showed you proof

[fresh bronze]

i wasnt going to say anything out of fear of inciting another 2 hour debate like usual

[silent kettle]

LOL

[nocturne flax]

gotta be the speedrunner

.

[kind swan]

[olive shoal]

is he gonna clown one of my messages that wasnt even related to him again

find out next time i guess

[kind swan]

Perhaps

[nocturne flax]

you should clown on me

im into that

[olive shoal]

ayo

[errant vigil]

Dragon don't make me post it

[raven flare]

so anyways what is a not crit on a snatcher? where-- would be the better word

[fresh bronze]

he did say multiple times 40 damage cant reach the 50 damage threshold it shoulda been obvious that no multiplier is what he meant

[nocturne flax]

i got footage of you fighting demons in lab

[kind swan]

Black dragon. You ever try fighting the Bad Dragons?

[raven flare]

yeah i mean the problem is 'we dont believe u'
is 'why did that happen'
why was everythin so
aggresive all of a sudden

[kind swan]

[nocturne flax]

all day every day

[kind swan]

[west crow]

In another universe we would have got the based bullpup rework

[raven flare]

nah

[fresh bronze]

i personally almost always take the opinion that angers the most people but today is the one day im not feeling it

[west crow]

I should have stopped dragon when I had the chance

[prisma zodiac]

Multiple people just wanna be taunting to me at this point

[obtuse surge]

R3 will come with a carbine buff so we will no longer have to make the tough decision between carbine and hel revo

[raven flare]

yeah this was just outta nowhere

[nocturne flax]

you shoulda

[velvet linden]

r3 will come with the simon segments

[fresh bronze]

carbine superiority

[raven flare]

i maybe could understand yesterday but this was a gtfo discussion of gtfo

[west crow]

Will there be a Simon Segment on the carbine buff

[velvet linden]

no

[kind swan]

Hel shotgun buff to have damage/RoF/Spread of Choke

[velvet linden]

carbine is getting nerfed

pick rate too high

[obtuse surge]

new game intro design by ulf

[west crow]

Stop leaking things!!!

[kind swan]

Triple buff it and give it to the next person

[fresh bronze]

if carbine gets nerfed but not hel shotgun ima just not use primary weapons anymore

[prisma zodiac]

im understanding enough to see that some comments of mine can be missunderstood sometimes. Others cant appearantly

i didnt want to make it seem like black dragon was lying. Nor that i dont trust his info
I just usually like to double check cuz often people dont give proof for stuff

[velvet linden]

hel shotgun was rundown specific and is being removed

[kind swan]

Hel shotty is fine imo

[raven flare]

hel shotgun needs a nerf? i thought it was nice until waves stopped comin and was individuals

[fresh bronze]

clearly the devs have bias

[west crow]

What's the hel shotgun burst cannon combo going to be like

[last gust]

I dropped into r7d1 to confirm the stagger as well, fwiw

[kind swan]

Is this why Dauda is the only black guy on the team?

[raven flare]

yeah
but
now im genuinely curious tho

[kind swan]

[west crow]

Will it be as powerful as the machine pistol arbalist combo

[raven flare]

what fwiw sorry?

[fresh bronze]

dauda is black?

[raven flare]

/genq

[obtuse surge]

we will need it for the hardest rundown

[atomic escarp]

You guys are never done finding new arguments to have heated discussions about

[sage steppe]

hel shotgun feels underpowered

[last gust]

I share eva's desire to know the numbers behind it, though

[kind swan]

He's Nigerian...

[last gust]

for what it's worth

[sage steppe]

he's nigerian

according to lore

so yes

[velvet linden]

it is

[west crow]

He's green

[raven flare]

ohh thanks

[west crow]

I think woods is pink

[kind swan]

If you ever noticed. One BALD HEAD IS NOT THE SAME COLOR

[west crow]

Who's bald

[kind swan]

[velvet linden]

wrong wrong youre wrong woods is red

[fresh bronze]

never would have even noticed

[last gust]

don't worry about it, black dragon just being a shit as usual

[west crow]

How can I be wrong if you're incorrect

[kind swan]

Dauda's default helmet is literally the bald head showing one.

[west crow]

This is uncalled for

Black dragon has been a very supporting community member

[kind swan]

This is normal so eh

[west crow]

With very thorough new player friendly guides

[fresh bronze]

ive been told its great if you get good with it but I refuse to get good with it kek

[velvet linden]

black dragon paid for my college

[kind swan]

[kind swan]

Black dragon helped me handle Bad Dragons

[fresh bronze]

but yeah in general It would suck ass to have the only somewhat automatic gun thats decent in primary go to shit

[west crow]

STOP POSTING THE FKIN ANIME

[raven flare]

its not get good is use it where its supposed to be used

[west crow]

POST THE CLOWN

[velvet linden]

what an upstanding member of the community

[atomic escarp]

I keep thinking he's spitting in the cup for some reason

[kind swan]

[west crow]

🤡

[fresh bronze]

[kind swan]

[atomic escarp]

post cute grills

[kind swan]

[raven flare]

[emote]

[velvet linden]

all anime posters are redditors

[west crow]

Black dragon hasn't posted a single clown emoji under anyone's post

That takes a lot of restraint

[raven flare]

all anime posters like anime
wait

[fresh bronze]

i got banned from reddit for threatening violance against pedophiles, twice

[kind swan]

[nocturne flax]

cannot be worse than your take on hel gun

[west crow]

Were you on r/gtfor34

[atomic escarp]

with enough stable diffusion merged checkpoints and loras, everything is a cute grill

[west crow]

You should visit that subteddit

[velvet linden]

you are so much of a redditor that you went back after being banned the first time
doin gods work tho

[nocturne flax]

i did

[last gust]

what's my take on hel gun?

[raven flare]

its a gun

and hell

its a gun

[fresh bronze]

nah you have to threaten violence twice to get banned

[west crow]

What's black dragons take on the hel gun

[fresh bronze]

first one was a warning

[nocturne flax]

remove it

[kind swan]

[olive shoal]

so bold

so brave

[west crow]

It's not even in the game

[raven flare]

so risky

so

... idek

[west crow]

You're just upset because the bullpup will finally have competition

[fresh bronze]

reddit is a shithole yes but have you ever seen 4chan /pol/

[kind swan]

Remove hel weapons. Back to no penetration weapons.

[fresh bronze]

if not dont

spare yourself

[nocturne flax]

nature its healing

[velvet linden]

no i use my time well

[sage steppe]

hel revolver is fine

[west crow]

Hel revolver needs to be buffed

[solemn wigeon]

Hel revo was the worst offender

[west crow]

Worst weapon in current ru down

[sage steppe]

nahhh

[velvet linden]

hel revo needs 10 shots

[fresh bronze]

hel weapons are either completely unusuable or completely overpowered depending on the player and it has no inbetween

[atomic escarp]

Buy high sell low, buff meta nerf offmeta

[kind swan]

36*

[velvet linden]

and an underbarrel shotgun

[sage steppe]

i don't mind it with 8

[raven flare]

hel revo needs to be put away, choose another weapon pls its been so many rundowns

[velvet linden]

no

[west crow]

The smg was better at 1.7 damage

[kind swan]

Tell em to fix the fucking 6 round cylinder

Holding 8 shots

[sage steppe]

yeah they need to fix the model lmao

[raven flare]

adds to the charm

nah

[west crow]

Just put two extra bullets in the cylinder

[velvet linden]

cyberheist addresses these issues

[sage steppe]

but the gun itself is balanced

[west crow]

The hel revolver will be returning in cyber heist

[glass mirage]

Just put two bullets in the same slot

12 round hel revo

[kind swan]

Just put 6 rd cylinder in each of the 6 holes and you have 36 shots

[fresh bronze]

either way im droppin off boys ima go play the better buggy mess of a game aka sons of the forest

[kind swan]

[west crow]

Did you see the ending

BAD

[raven flare]

did u see the wood

awesome

[velvet linden]

did you jump off a cliff with the book open

[west crow]

Subtonix did you listen to the hey you music

It's such a bop

[olive shoal]

that shits so funny mountainman

[raven flare]

did u were a son of the forest

[velvet linden]

did you crunch into something new

[fresh bronze]

doesnt have a full released ending yet so im not even gonna finish the game for awhile lmfao

[fresh bronze]

ofc

[raven flare]

did u did u

[west crow]

No I'm pretty sure that ending is staying

The breast physics are worth the price of entry in son's of the forest

And the many covers of the hey you song

[fresh bronze]

i beat virginia with a stick the first time i saw her

[west crow]

Can you fuck my wife

[winter wharf]

which hey you song

there's probably hundreds, thousands even

[nocturne flax]

i can

[olive shoal]

beep u dont have a wife

u get 0 bitches

[nocturne flax]

yeah

stop posting shit in my gf steampage

[west crow]

No

[west crow]

Can't compete with rayalot

He gets the girl

[olive shoal]

exactly

[nocturne flax]

2020 was something else

[fresh bronze]

Yeah i dont because i like men

[velvet linden]

not true, beep is on day 2 with the boo

[olive shoal]

impressive

[wary olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585063132553281556/1023395788233125938/unknown.png

[velvet linden]

classic image

[subtle vault]

From the good times 😔

[nocturne flax]

see you in alt r3

[olive shoal]

i hope i never see u in alt r3

jk

[prisma zodiac]

i havent seen anything of r3

but i heard a3 is a beautiful level

[raven flare]

yeah lemme tell u basicall- i havent seen anythin either

:]

goin in blind bois

like how it should be

[fresh bronze]

pov sons of the forest has already fixed major issues in 5 days since release but gtfo hasnt released a single level in 3 months

[velvet linden]

anyone else playing the a tier reactor 500 times?

[olive shoal]

beep will

he loves a3

[velvet linden]

favorite level, i hear

[olive shoal]

idk why, i feel like he doesnt know it very well

he probably would go to the wrong doors all the time

[velvet linden]

he has never played a3

[raven flare]

u tell me when u r here

[plush fulcrum]

me and my group of 3 players and a bot are stuck on R2E1 first alarm, is it suposed to be that hard, i mean we have had a dificult time in R2D2 but this first alarm is so overwhelming

[raven flare]

oki
so the alarm its a 'surge alarm'
a surge alarm means that a full enemy wave will spawn, like all the possible enemies that can spawn will do

[tall flare]

why run it with a bot lmao

[raven flare]

and when u kill one, it respawns immediately

so the enemies are constantly flowin

[raven flare]

ive heard bots arent bad on that level

[plush basin]

Hold out on a scan then kite around the room til the next scan lands

[raven flare]

so uh those alarms are just very strategical, u need to really dig deep into how to hold em off till the scans are over with sentries and guns

[plush basin]

Bot will obv make it impossible if it goes down

Easier without it probably

[frail horizon]

bots often love to stand their ground

(a bad idea for e1)

[raven flare]

well they run to scans and move with u if u run

idk

ive just heard it

but yeah if u can get a human player its- better for gtfo

but anyways

... i havent had a lot of touch with surge alarms, but if i can recommend somethin that could help

is a hel shotgun

[plush fulcrum]

wow thats a lot of information i was not aware about

[frail horizon]

hel anything really

[narrow gulch]

if you know what youre doing bots are pretty good for surges

(mainly just know when to run, theyll follow)

[raven flare]

but hel shottie god :D

[plush basin]

You aren't trying to kill all the enemies you just want to live on the scan til it's done

[raven flare]

yeah surges r basically a maximun test alarm
once its done u just run and mow em off slowly as u can

[frail horizon]

which is why cfoam is absolutely amazing

[raven flare]

so yeah play around ladders, if u keep bein stuck and stuck at it u could prob watch a guide like for the level [only the part u r stuck in]

but once u kinda get more far and far away in the alarm u will start to get how to do it

[atomic escarp]

https://streamable.com/kcm3cv

50 damage to stagger btw

i love math

[wary olive]

its weird though how the white hit marker from the hel revo makes it stagger, the first 2 staggers are white and red with revo, red with high cal on negotiator's video

[prisma zodiac]

so either i dont understand snatchers front weakspot or my question wasnt clear enough

If the belly of the snatcher is a /x multiplyer obviously any of sniper/choke/high cal can stagger there basically

[hallow lark]

Belly, back (where the tentacles are) are it’s only weak spots

[mortal granite]

do the snatcher have weakspot?

i only get that "crit" crosshair thingy when i back shot it

[prisma zodiac]

thats what i mean. Im not sure

If its a weakspot (as said in the wiki for example) then it obviously doubles the dmg of a hit there

If its not one then its stagger hp is most likely just 40

[mortal granite]

i could just go check it

there is a weakspot multi (x2)

stagger is 50

[atomic escarp]

why white hitmarker sometimes

[mortal granite]

because put armor onto the model itself and code it in

so if you're a client

like, idk, sniper melee bug

remember that?

client didn't fully sync with the model rotation

a really good and easy example is

you shoot a charger

for the host, if the charger animation make it rotate, you can shoot the back when it rotate and get back damage

[prisma zodiac]

Are there hitspots you can hit from the front that arent armor/weakspot?

[mortal granite]

but for client, same thing happen, shoot the back when it rotate, you'll still get front damage

[prisma zodiac]

that way its testable if a 40 dmg bullet staggers it in 1 shot without said x2 multi

[mortal granite]

the entire body is hit-able

only head is armored

i remember there is a patch that said
"Fix 1 of snatcher/pouncer leg being armored"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/647233748995276820/990935192518684702/unknown.png

here

[prisma zodiac]

dunno if you have the time and energy rn

but could ya possibly try and get a clip of sniper shooting into the body

I would do it, but it will take roughly 7-8 hours til im home

[mortal granite]

which part

[prisma zodiac]

the one where it does 1x dmg (no multi/no armor)

to see if it would stagger (and to end the discussion whether it does or not)

[last gust]

didn't black dragon post a video earlier?

I was going to post a video, but thought I got beaten to it

[mortal granite]

which one

[last gust]

snatcher body hit stagger

pretty sure I saw him post a video of that

[prisma zodiac]

he posted it with a belly shot

So i wasnt sure regarding it. If theres no weakness to that part it proofs that its most likely 40 stagger hp and not 50

[last gust]

yeah okay, it was this post: #gtfo-spoiler-chat message

I'll have a look at the footage I took

[mortal granite]

snatcher i think have "stagger" cooldown

idk how long

[wary olive]

1 hel revo shot + choke mod staggers it from my test

whereas 1 hel revo shot + 1 high cal doesnt

so it would be ~35 stagger

[prisma zodiac]

choke mod has a 1.3x stagger multi (basically 39 dmg)

[wary olive]

oh

what about pump shotty

[prisma zodiac]

1

[prisma zodiac]

@wary olive sry for ping

Might actually be x1.35 (which would be over 40 tho

so it should stagger in a single shot (ors its actually x1.3 and works as intended)

[wary olive]

i tried single choke mod shot and it didnt stagger

[prisma zodiac]

so seems to be 40 stagger hp

[mortal granite]

how many damage sniper deal?

[last gust]

40

unless we want to reprosecute everything that's ever appeared in a spreadsheet

or data block, for that matter

(40.01 according to sheet)

[prisma zodiac]

theres multiple points that are wrong basically with sniper staggering in 1 shot (but presumely choke mod not)

either choke has 1.3x instead of 1.35 stagger multi

sniper higher dmg or a stagger multi

or snatcher stagger hp is weird

[last gust]

said in another discussion, but I recall someone in with the modding crowd suggesting that snatchers ignore stagger multi

[prisma zodiac]

would that be the case then ~35 would fit (as noted by ryk)

could be tested with dmr then (5 shots)

[last gust]

seems to care about actual damage (as opposed to damage absorbed by armor) too?

at least, I believe I can barely make out a white hit marker in there somewhere

[prisma zodiac]

😐

[mortal granite]

armor multi is 0.2

[last gust]

sure, but badger was saying elsewhere that it staggers even with the white marker

[mortal granite]

yes

you still deal damage

40 x 0.2 = 8 damage

[last gust]

I might've misinterpreted what badger was saying, to be fair

[mortal granite]

the armor on snatcher is weaker than mom and tank

[last gust]

but may as well have that footage around anyway, just to confirm that armor does something to the stagger calculation

since we're entering into all the doubts at the moment

[mortal granite]

in theory, it should since it still deal damage

since armor only lower the damage

[last gust]

sure, but there's the possibility that an armor hit registers for the full 40 as far as stagger is concerned

since the calculation is weird

[mortal granite]

kinda weird that snatcher stagger hp is 50

[last gust]

I didn't think it did, but footage doesn't hurt

lol, I must've killed a thousand snatchers by now

and yet here we are, reprosecuting basics

[raven flare]

why u killin snatchers they just vibin

/j

[last gust]

I don't like their intestines

[mortal granite]

how many sniper shot to kill a snatcher btw

[last gust]

or the fact that, owing to circumstances, I have an opinion on their intestines 😦

6 if the sheet's right?

[prisma zodiac]

should be 6 😐

[fresh bronze]

you bastards are still on this topic

i played 8 hours of sons of the forest and come back to you all still talking about snatchers and sniper rifles

[last gust]

to be fair, they all stopped talking about snatchers and sniper rifles for several hours

[raven flare]

yeah

there was a pause

significant pause too

[prisma zodiac]

I woke up and am omw to lab so i had time for a bit

[last gust]

channel's just not that active in the leadup to alt r3 with nothing else to do meanwhile

[raven flare]

for a joke :D
g get it? a bit!

... hehe

[mortal granite]

idk, i just join in

[last gust]

there's only so many times you can say "lol they're gonna buff hel gun" before it gets old

[mortal granite]

so, if i say "where r4" a lot

[atomic escarp]

😴

[mortal granite]

people would get bored?

[nocturne flax]

r3 tomorrow for sure

[fresh bronze]

30 hours in sotf since it released and my steam hours are at a peak low in over a year due to just not having any games to play

[atomic escarp]

blackdragon why is it so hard for people to actually play the game

[fresh bronze]

usually clock in around 60+ hours a week on steam but lately just aint feeling it

[prisma zodiac]

get yourself hollowknight

[raven flare]

play new stuff maybe that helps

mix it up

[fresh bronze]

i do play new games quite often but just nothing interesting has dropped lately

[raven flare]

i mean u dont need new games, just funky games u havent seen before

not 'new' as in released modernly
just funky stuff

[fresh bronze]

r3 should be a temp bandage to the wound

was really hoping to have ksp 2 but its such a buggy mess in its current state im not even going to buy it

[last gust]

complaining about people not playing the game, is just another way of not playing the game

[fresh bronze]

honestly might finally play hollow knight ive had it on my wishlist for 2-3 years just never got to it

been thinking about kenshi aswell since i hear its a pretty deep game with a steep learning curve

[prisma zodiac]

Its great. Very mucha recommed

[nocturne flax]

Release new content

[fresh bronze]

if im correct i believe I heard that they are doing the alt rundowns then rundown 8 and thats where development will stop right

if so sounds like new content is not only a long way away there wont be much of it

[last gust]

sure

10 levels, give or take

[fresh bronze]

all ik is r8 levels should def be really hard

[last gust]

and yeah, 10cc communication on this has tended to be a bit obtuse, but the bottom line seems to be that r8 is the end

[fresh bronze]

ill be disappointed if not

[last gust]

oh dear

[nocturne flax]

rundown 8 will connect to their new heist game

[last gust]

honestly I would expect something roughly on par with r7, with possibly even more story-focused levels than usual with difficulty compromises made accordingly

[fresh bronze]

after gtfo i will def not be playing a 10cc game until its been out for 5 years

[nocturne flax]

not a bad plan tbh

but i was in it for the ride

gtfo was probably one of the most fun experience in gaming ive ever had

[fresh bronze]

i never want to be be left feeling the way gtfo makes me feel

knowing there is going to be new content but not for such a long time is actually painful

[last gust]

guess I'm glad I'm not in your shoes

whatever badger thinks about me being so bad at the game that I can't even close out an r2e1 duo in 4 weeks,

bright side is that I'm still working at something

so I kinda don't care

[atomic escarp]

the solution is play modded rundowns

[fresh bronze]

i have a bit of content left to play at this point, ive yet to do a few sec / pe in r7 and no e1 in r7

[last gust]

yeah that too, if I close out the last of the duos then I've still got the modded world to plunge into

[fresh bronze]

really dont enjoy r2d2 so just never got around to it

[mortal granite]

you said R2E1 was BS

wait till you play modded

[fresh bronze]

maybe one of these days i will but at this point idk if im ever going to play r2d2 and beat it

[last gust]

did I?

[mortal granite]

yes

or it was

Artek

[nocturne flax]

hopefully modding its gonna be better in the future

[mortal granite]

sorry

[last gust]

lol sounds like an artek thing to say

[mortal granite]

it was artek

[last gust]

r2e1 duo is kind of a "you get what you deserve" deal

i.e. I have no right to complain about a level that the devs felt was meant to challenge a 4stack

it does seem like mostly heavy carry difficulty though

as evidenced by the amount of solo + 3 bots clears

[fresh bronze]

as i see it anything e tier should honestly be really hard even for a 4 man

forced teamwork through necessity

[last gust]

you'd think

[fresh bronze]

if a e tier level isnt the hardest of the rundown it really would be disappointing