gtfo-spoiler-chat

[mellow creek]

so many more new enermies

im suprise at how slow the team works

[crystal oriole]

The moment I learned how to avoid the hybrid's barrage

[mellow creek]

when someone out there can make mods like overnight

[crystal oriole]

I essentially began calling it Chicken2

[burnt goblet]

angry chickens

[crystal oriole]

The Spicy Chicken

[burnt goblet]

r2 only adds in hybrids and shadow giants right, pustles not included

[crystal oriole]

Really hoping they change their direction and push for optionals in R2-3

[paper harness]

highly doubt it lmao

[crystal oriole]

E1 would be fun

[paper harness]

if they havenb't bothered for R1

[crystal oriole]

Oh, no, they're not going to

but I'm on that good shit (read: copium)

Honestly, R2E1's going to need optional objectives if it really is going to be called E tier.

Unless they add a spicy P-mom or something, it's...not nearly comparable in danger compared to R2 shadow titans

[burnt goblet]

kinda sucks we probabaly arent getting r4 until summer of next year

probably later

[crystal oriole]

Ideally it's an ALT://R(number) every month.

Ideally.

[burnt goblet]

ehhhhhhh

try 2-3 months

[paper harness]

you're coping

[crystal oriole]

We have mentioned my huffing of the copium, yes.

[burnt goblet]

also im wondering if we are gonna get the extensions included, or they are just gonna be intergrated when released

[crystal oriole]

They should just add an objective to R2E1 that's just CTRL+C of R7B3's .

Make the extract s p i c y

[paper harness]

don't give them ideas of how to stall out the alt rundowns even more

[burnt goblet]

lmfao they probably already thought of that the second the alt rundowns were confirmed

[crystal oriole]

I don't see why the extensions wouldn't just be put onto the rundowns

as though they were never extensions to begin with and were just part of the initial rundown

Then you get the entire rundown at once and everyone's happy

[crystal oriole]

They did mention somewhere in this channel that they didn't know how they would treat extensions, so...yeah.

Would R2D2 and R2E1 be considered an "extension," I wonder?

[burnt goblet]

i mean not really, as they didint take months to release]

[crystal oriole]

Though they weren't technically there, it wasn't like they weren't not there when it released.

[burnt goblet]

that was the 1 and only warden objective

[crystal oriole]

Miss warden objectives.

[burnt goblet]

dunno why they did that shit

only once

[crystal oriole]

Made us feel like the community was coming together to achieve something.

That's how I saw it, anyway

iirc we needed 100 clears of D1 to unlock D2/E1.

Or was it 1000

Damn those numbers were low back in the day

[burnt goblet]

"Hmm, our players are getting good at the game and they beat D1 reasonably fast, lets unlock the rest of the levels and instead of doing this again, lets wait 2-3 months to release the rest of the content"

[crystal oriole]

They probably didn't expect anyone to put up with the slog that was D1 at the time

At least that quickly.

God that level sucked back then

3 hours of ugghhhhhhh

My group had 2 attempts where we actually made it to the generator cluster alarm, and then we'd wipe every time.

We never played that level again after the 2nd wipe there, as much as I tried to get them to

[burnt goblet]

yeah thats how these alts are gonna be. Sucked back then, now they are gonna be (mostly) piss easy because of broken weapons and weve played 100s of hours

[crystal oriole]

Until we hit R4

Then the spicy begins

[burnt goblet]

Yuh

i guess we will see when we are getting r4. i say not till late summer of next year

[crystal oriole]

Speaking of old rundowns, what kind of bugs me is how faithfully that one modder recreated each level with nearly identical tiles to the original.

[graceful ermine]

Like is the combat shotgun even worth using now that we have the hel shotgun?

[burnt goblet]

yeah

[crystal oriole]

and then the tiles present in ALT are different to huge extents at times

[burnt goblet]

its still great

[graceful ermine]

oh ok

oh yeah didn't they buff it this update?

[burnt goblet]

im not a fan of the helshogtun perosonally

yah

check the patch notes

[paper harness]

combat shotgun is bonkers

but hel shotgun is very good as well

[graceful ermine]

right sorry

[paper harness]

pretty much aoe piercing autopistol

don't spam it, just tap

[graceful ermine]

wasn't around for autopistol

[crystal oriole]

Why use the CS when you have the based Carbine /s

[graceful ermine]

but yeah that thing can stagger good

[paper harness]

autopistol best gun

[graceful ermine]

like 5x stagger mult on that thing right? dealt a little over 1 damage

[crystal oriole]

Wasn't autopistol basically just a hand-held auto sentry?

[paper harness]

yes

[crystal oriole]

lol

[graceful ermine]

yes it was

[burnt goblet]

fuckkk

r3 we are gonna get burst cannon back

[crystal oriole]

I wasn't a fan of it back in the day, from what I remember

[paper harness]

very good due to the amount of surg scans there were

[graceful ermine]

i have the stats in my mind, just never used t hem myself

[crystal oriole]

Back in my day, we stood our ground and died like men!

...Or so I'd say, but my group has never faced a surge alarm

except for R6D4

[burnt goblet]

cant wait for r3 lol, it wasnt the best by a longshot but hey, mothers and burst cannon

and pmother

[crystal oriole]

If they change that room in R3B2, Imma riot.

The introduction was chef's kiss

[burnt goblet]

yuh, it being there in the middle of room was good

"uhhh that looks different"

[crystal oriole]

Spoopy sacs donning the walls of the zone before, no indication of what they might do

You finally push through the alarm door, and what awaits you?

A creature of grotesque proportion looming in the center of the room

Covered in the same ominous sacs

and then for the Tank introduction in R4B3 (may be wrong on that), didn't it just kinda...

appear?

lol

I remember someone commenting that the reveal was less ominous and more oh btw, hi

[paper harness]

tank was R4C1

and that level was awful

where you just sat and permafoamed a 12 code terminal

[crystal oriole]

12 code terminal lmaooo

I remember R5C1's first uplink is like, to the side of the respawn main room

and it's a god-damned 8-code terminal

and then you push in to do the other uplink in another respawn zone

well, off to the side of it...I think?

and then is just another uplink but this time, there's shadows only

[paper harness]

the number of times pubs woke that room in C1

extreme was so much easier if you didn't have bad RNG from mom because you can just circle kite the shadows

[crystal oriole]

The only thing really ingrained in my memory from R5C1

is the S1 scan at the beginning where you C-foamed the shit outta the ladder

and then scuttled up to you-know-where to use the one mine.

That's how the people I played it with did that scan, anyway. Never ammo...only foam & mine.

[crystal oriole]

Oh, that's right! There was a mom in !

I'd forgotten about her because every single time we made it there, we had based spawns.

[tulip glacier]

anyone looked into the AR1B2 audio log yet

[fallow wasp]

Is there a reason not to grab shit from the side zones in r1d1?

[mortal granite]

back then, we were dumb

so we used a lot of ammo and tool

[hallow lark]

Whelp… I got my arse eaten in c2…

Jesus! What bad luck lol… run ended from that Warden door scan

[fringe surge]

I dont remember it being that hard
What did they do?

[hallow lark]

Let’s just say… that warden door is a Class 4 in such a tight space… and it’s a cluster alarm

[fringe surge]

r5 is going to be a nightmare

[hallow lark]

And the mobs are chargers

[fringe surge]

Oh shit I remember that level

Ancesto-

I mean

Ahem

[hallow lark]

I never played any modded levels so I have no idea

[hallow lark]

But yea…. That end of c2 was quite… unexpected…

Maybe I should have placed MORE mines than usual

[fringe surge]

It was quite intense with bots

Unsure with players

[hallow lark]

….I’m a deaf player so yes. It was QUITE intense

[mellow creek]

where do we make suggestions again

[fringe surge]

Bot command iirc

[fringe surge]

Damn

I cant stealth without audio

[hallow lark]

Hahaha… from everyone else… it’s kinda easy… I mean, most people or chads these days would just listen to something and play this game so…

[fringe surge]

Damn

I have yet to get to that level

[hallow lark]

No. You can easily get there.

I have to operate through a different set of rules

[fringe surge]

Hmm

Well
It's been a few months since I finished r7
Time to get back into the grind sometimes

[hallow lark]

XD

[hallow lark]

Pretty much!

[fringe surge]

r2 and r4 e1
save me

[hallow lark]

I do try to read the level descriptions before I jump in to see if there’s… ANY chance of shadows

[fringe surge]

Shadows are just

Bad

Big shadows that run

[hallow lark]

Shadows are my nemesis

I can’t hear em and I can’t see em

Original R6 D3 and CX are hell

[fringe surge]

Shadow giants that just chill in the back and do ranged attacks
Or the ones that run like chargers

Are just awful

[fringe surge]

The extension levels were fun ish

[hallow lark]

Oh yea…

[fringe surge]

Except DX
Main issue there was the framerates

[hallow lark]

I finished having so much fun soloing DX with bots

[fringe surge]

And the enemies shooting me through solid steel

[hallow lark]

(I still have 2 videos of myself on those)

[fringe surge]

I did the extension with bots

Was

Fun

[hallow lark]

Staircase was definitely micromanaging hell

[fringe surge]

Did some pes with em in r7
Trial of hatred and love

[hallow lark]

Ran those levels without Biotracker

I did finished C2PE solo with bots without a Biotracker…. But that also caused me so much stress in Overload

[fringe surge]

Dx was kinda easy once I realized 3 burst sentries just fucked up everybody during the last up links

[fringe surge]

C2 Overload with bots was genuinely heart racing

For me atleast

Atleast the last bit of the pe(secondary) was easy

[hallow lark]

I have a solid 3.5 hr no-cp run video of that same thing

[fringe surge]

Goddamn

It took me 4 hours to finish c2 pe with bots

With 3 checkpoint restarts due to bugs and stupid shit

[fringe surge]

10 hours total if I count failed attempts

[hallow lark]

Imagine running through the darkroom with ONLY a thermal to find mobs. And with no audio for support… all I have are my eyes

[fringe surge]

Wait

Dont both r2 and r4 e1 have a fuck ton of shadows

[hallow lark]

……………

Don’t you fucking jinx it… pls… XD

😅

[fringe surge]

oh yea

biotracker gaming

[hallow lark]

(I already have my secret with a Biotracker for stealths)

[fringe surge]

Bot biottacker

Somehow longer range and pings more enemies than people

Because magic

[hallow lark]

Well… I did have some randoms call me as a semi-bot at times

[fringe surge]

Bruh

[hallow lark]

Since I’m more versed in obeying orders and whatnot

[fringe surge]

I mean
Same,I was a mute player for half of r7

[hallow lark]

I did all of r6 and 7

[fringe surge]

Gave up on stealthing in e1 after I consistently fucked up the 4th code

Reactor defense with hel shotgun

How 2 stagger everybody tutorial

[hallow lark]

I built myself as an Anti-G/Tank… but that immortal in r7 destroyed it all lol

[fringe surge]

I went with a meme build of just hel shotgun and choke mod shotgun

Ended up performing extremely well

[hallow lark]

I went with originally Dmr/sniper until sniper nerf and then… haven’t run well with it since

[fringe surge]

Especially reactor wave 4
Just baited all the chargers to one corner and held m1 with the hel shotgun

Nothing moved

They all kinda keeled over

[hallow lark]

I only run sniper on r7c3 and d2

[fringe surge]

Sniper nerf was rough but understandable
R6 was a joke with the sniper

[hallow lark]

True… it was a very powerful combo in the hands of someone who can aim well

[fringe surge]

Typically I run lmg
But d2 was sniper territory

Fuck hybrids

[hallow lark]

Oh yea… I served as a wall in d2

Just a one man army vs so many mobs

[fringe surge]

D2 is very fun

[hallow lark]

I had my share of fun XD

[fringe surge]

I wonder if alt r1 D1 will induce the same panic in me as it did back then

Because the ending is just

First tried it with 2 dead teammates and the other 2 on critical

[hallow lark]

The only time that I was genuine concerned about my lack of hearing disability was in r6d3 tank barracks area and d4 in that darkroom with others….the amount of white spots on the Biotracker scares me

[fringe surge]

Yea that shit was wack

Accidently woke up that room and decided to just kill everything

Who needs ammo anyways

[hallow lark]

I finished that level with a teammate telling me to “STFU AND COME HERE!” On my first completion of d3 XD

Loved that teammate

[fringe surge]

Pe was hell

The surge alarm in fog was awful
Fog just shuts off my brain

Especially shadows in fog iirc

[hallow lark]

The fog in r7b2 are something

Definitely an anti-visual extreme

[fringe surge]

Ah yes

The "this is needlessly lengthy" the level

Hm
I wanna play r6 c3 again

It was quite fun

[hallow lark]

Oh god.. I hate c3

I can’t handle that extreme time-sensitive

[fringe surge]

The secondary was really bad
Overload and main was real fun tho

Me and the boys killing a tank in 2 seconds with scatterguns

[hallow lark]

My favorite tank kill was in r6d2

[fringe surge]

I cant seem to recall that one

Oh yea

That

[hallow lark]

Secondary

The terminal tank

[fringe surge]

Unfortunately I cheesed the secondary so I dislike remembering that secondary

[hallow lark]

I was in the corner opposite to that tank door. The moment that door opened… I already sniped 3 “candies” off him

[fringe surge]

Sniping tumours quickly is so damn nice

[hallow lark]

By the time it got to the sec door… he only had one left

[fringe surge]

I typically just went with the error route

The mother rooms always ended horribly

Pitch black
More than 1 mother in a room

scouts

Charger scout even

Fuck that

[hallow lark]

During the last day of r6… I explored those rooms myself since I never seen it

[fringe surge]

I got pretty far in once but one my teammates did

I can't believe it

He forgot there were enemies in that room

Fucking slid in,unloaded a machine pistol into a few babies

[hallow lark]

Lol

[fringe surge]

I believe 2 or 3 rooms of enemies woke up from that

[hallow lark]

Lmao!

[fringe surge]

[hallow lark]

My usual favorite experience… is giving randoms a “scare” cuz of my “cavalier” movements

[fringe surge]

;p

[hallow lark]

I mean… almost no one ever had the experience to play with a deaf gamer

In this game I mean

[fringe surge]

Cant be sillier than someone who slides into random rooms shooting

[hallow lark]

XD

During a DX with my two favorite Finlander friends… we went into a room with 3 hybs left alive..

My friend was suggesting a sentry placement and room wake. I told him no. “Hang on a sec and wait here”.

[fringe surge]

Oh boy

[hallow lark]

Left them alone in that room… sounds of sniper fires. Room wakes… room quiet returned back to them with them going “WTF just happened?”

[fringe surge]

Yea

That always feel nice

American sniper

I ran smg and sniper with bots for dx

Couldn't play it players cuz everyone's fps for some reason tanked
Even my friend with quite a stronk pc

[hallow lark]

The odd thing is… me and my two friends never had any desync issues. I’m on West Coast of US and my two friends are in Finland so… it’s quite interesting

[fringe surge]

It was even desync

Just being shot through floors or bad fps

I decided to finish the level with mass sentry bots

[hallow lark]

XD

[fringe surge]

And they discovered the big flyer spawncap

Which was

Eye opening for solo run peeps I suppose ;p

[hallow lark]

I hate using exploits so I went with original intentions… except C2PE in r7… I went with a different “progression”

[fringe surge]

Cx secondary was probably the most fun extension for r6

[fringe surge]

Checkpoint restart
Then cells in?

[hallow lark]

Nope

[fringe surge]

Huh

Odd

Thats all I can really think for that level

Hm

[hallow lark]

It was finishing cell 3 and 4 and then use one of the cells from 3rd cell room for Overload

So no Error alarm but you will STILL have fog issues

[fringe surge]

Ah same I've done it all 3 times

I would rather take fog than error alarm

Cuz iirc that error alarm actually spawns a fair few enemies per wave

[hallow lark]

Yea…

[robust marsh]

dealing with flyers is much easier than flyers and strikers

[hallow lark]

Yup

[fringe surge]

Issue is one of those cheeky fuckers getting past

[hallow lark]

Which one?

[kind swan]

R1A1-B1-B2-C1 and friend and I feel like we wasted a few hours of our lives

[hallow lark]

The ground or flyer?

[fringe surge]

Ant of the strikers get past and scream in the overload area

Life is going to get a whole lot more shit

[hallow lark]

Oh hahahaha!

I hate Overload Scouts… they’re the bane of my stress

[fringe surge]

Still tho
The ammo consumption for error+overload seems insane

Cant imagine doing that honestly

[hallow lark]

Hang on a sec

[fringe surge]

Tbf both the error and fog route are valid

Genuinely not a big deal

It's not like you're cheesing

One you risk running out of ammo or letting one get through
Or
Party wipe by spitters

[hallow lark]

Sent ya the C2PE video

[hallow lark]

But yea… Overload is quite an ammo eater but it’s the Big Chargers that you need to worry about more

[hard basin]

So has anything really changed with the R1 levels?

[hallow lark]

Yes

[hard basin]

I've not bothered to log on yet to try them out

[hallow lark]

C1 has hybs in it.

Original R1 never had em

[hard basin]

That's it?

[hallow lark]

Idk what else… I never played r1 before

[hard basin]

When they said 'Sharper teeth' I thought that would mean some noticeable changes

[hallow lark]

Hybs in r1 is definitely new. And I just recently got my arse eaten in c2 at the very end

So idk what other changes are there

Haven’t touched d1 yet

[hard basin]

I might pass on this rundown then of there's nothing new

[real moss]

It's pretty much old R1 but some level lay-out is different, hybrids added in and you got pulse and alarm classes on the doors now

[hallow lark]

Pulse?

[real moss]

Oh and R7 weapons

[real moss]

stamina

[hallow lark]

Oh

[real moss]

R7 weapons available on R1

that too

[hard basin]

Changed level layout is OK i guess but I was hoping for more

[strange junco]

i think they flipped the layout in some rooms in certain expeditions

[real moss]

Nah they said it would be pretty much the same

Oh and added lore tho

[hallow lark]

….?! Added lore?

I didn’t find any in a1 to b2?

[real moss]

Logs

[hallow lark]

All the logs I found are just auto-gens…

[real moss]

there Def are some. and we got a new pipe morse code message

[hallow lark]

Wait what?!

Sounds like I’ll need to revisit some levels

[real moss]

The pipe thing is in D1 tho so do not search too much

[hallow lark]

Never been there… don’t spoil (despite this being a spoiler chat lol)

[real moss]

I won't. but you have to understand morse code anyways 😅

[hallow lark]

I’ll have to get that message later

[hexed vapor]

Standard R1 ngl

[half hornet]

More like gaming in general if we go there.
Especially since the man got "free" apparel.

[strange junco]

i wish the mask has balaclava

dont like showing my bald ass head

not the one with 6 main completions

the one that was a bootleg version of r7 mask

[half hornet]

The nazi mask? Yeah, the thing badly misses a balaclava

Amazing design but BAAAALD

[strange junco]

i look goofy as hell without it covering my entire head

😭

[half hornet]

Well you look like a nazi scientist / spec Ops grunt. They love bald heads.

[strange junco]

thats why i never liked dauda's or bishop's mask at all

i dont like seeing my bald ass head

[half hornet]

Good: fresh breeze on your skin

[strange junco]

fresh breeze of nam-v

😂 😂 😂

[half hornet]

Bad: biter's teeth straight in your cranium

[paper harness]

was the added lore legit just a couple of logs in the terminals

yikes

[stable pivot]

Anyone got the stats spreadsheet for the rebalanced R1 machine gun? I like the feel of it and how it behaves now, but I can't help but feel that it either does too little damage or has too little ammunition when it is pitted against the heavy assault rifle or the orange-sighted machine gun.

[half hornet]

Ammunition.

Hits hard, recoil is nice.

But runs out too quick.

[real moss]

Haven't tested the R1 MG yet but R7 MG on R1 slaps

[half hornet]

Modern lmg can shoot way longer.

[half hornet]

It's all the lore we need tbh.

[paper harness]

oof

[stable pivot]

It would probably be fine otherwise but the heavy assault rifle and R2 machine gun just feel like they are more powerful compared to it.

[half hornet]

They basically confirmed this is some alternate dimension story.

[real moss]

I mean it has to be lore that is previous to all the other rundowns soooo they could only do so much

[paper harness]

audiologs, easter eggs, actual dialogue, there's so much more they could do

[half hornet]

Yeah, they could...

On another hand they could add way too much.

Spill too many beans.

B1 log was very interesting to read.

[mighty quest]

They weren't going to bring them back for the longest time. I think R1 has been a breath of fresh air in terms of 6 additional levels that I can tool around in for fun. But I just like shooting. Almost did the reactor with bots. Kept getting stuck on the end of sequence 7 last night. Prolly need to bring sniper so the hybrids don't gun me and the robo's down

[kind swan]

lol.. this isnt R1 mg at all.

[half hornet]

Oh yeah, hybrids = sniper.

[kind swan]

Iirc guns are not being reverted to previous patches

Original R1 MG had a drum and much more recoil

I'm ngl I like previous rundowns are coming back. But disappointed they won't be as original with their original rundown specific weapons it seems.

[strange junco]

so thermal in all rundowns now?

kinda want burst rifle to come back

[azure reef]

Also, is it just me or are bots semi-bugged with combat shotgun. They seem to stand around with it and not fire. I have two bots with 79% combat shotgun ammo, and they haven't used any in multiple combats...

[real moss]

There are two MG's now.

[strange junco]

i dont like the old mg

[fringe surge]

Old mg feels nice

Kinda torn between the 2

[stable pivot]

The old MG has a better looking sight (personal opinion) and the stick magazine looks better than the ridiculously large drum on the new MG. And when it comes to gun feel, recoil etc. I think the old MG perfectly hits the spot. Though comparatively to the new MG and heavy assault rifle it is in a strange spot - weaker than either of the two (damage, max ammo) but in terms of handling it is the bridge between the two.

I enjoy using it, might become my special weapon of choice until custom colored weapon sights are added, if ever.

[open pier]

Turn the big shiny gauge sight BRIGHT PINK

[obtuse surge]

B2 extraction kinda crazy on spawns

i think its 3 every 8s but then the extraction adds a full wave on top of it

but not sure i'm not a m*dder

[obtuse cedar]

Funny. I only got 6 enemies at a time max

[subtle vault]

R1B2 go. All shooters

[obtuse cedar]

Until you activate an alarm

[half hornet]

Is that mandatory precision Rifle I hear

[subtle vault]

Tbh. The alarms should of been just shooters

[obtuse cedar]

But hey. The dmr fans can finally have a mission where it 1shot 90% of the level

[subtle vault]

And big shooters and maybe hybrids

During EA R1 some guy had a dmr and was beat boxing while shooting everything

Fun times

[tough totem]

that's pretty dope

[strange junco]

what was the motive behind it anyways

all women part of the complex

[obtuse surge]

so get good or cap shooters for extraction solo :))

[wary fractal]

get bad

[obtuse surge]

[kind swan]

Imean. My friend and I just hammered 90% of R1B2

(This was also because we ran Hel shotty/Combat Shotty)

But idk. The extraction waves were like only 6 at a time from what I saw

C1 was also just well. C1. Sleepers die when they are killed.

[bold widget]

so quick question about B2

the extraction wave is like 1 surge wave then it slowly spawns sleepers over time right

[kind swan]

Surge. Nah

Could just be one wave spawned and then the next wave spawned ontop of it

Iirc B2 had a lot of zones you could've opened as well

But you didnt have to open all of them

Only the one towards your objective

Given my friend and I only opened security doors we needed for objective. They pretty much only spawned infront or behind us

Welp. That shouldnt affect the spawn rates anyhow

Just locations of where they could spawn

[bold widget]

it kinda felt like the first half minute there were that many as if they reached pop cap but afterwards they came in pairs of 2 to 4

[obtuse surge]

read my message above

3 every 8s

but a full wave once you get to extraction

so that extra wave will keep you at cap for a while

if you didn't have something like a mine

and the full wave spawns groups of 5

which makes it worse for you because it means the 3 spawn will take priority if its not on cooldown

need some really fast killing in whatever way you like to get it back to just its normal spawns

[bold widget]

ah got ya thanks

yeah one mine and using the door on your left when you leave spawn will do the trick

[kind swan]

Idk how you got a full wave at extract unless someone closed doors behind yall.

[obtuse surge]

ok i played the level with a proper squad too

it was also piss easy

it still was insane to play it alone

and very noticeable thats theres lots of spawns

yes theres a wave for extraction

[kind swan]

I didn't state any of the extra but ok

Point proven

[obtuse surge]

point proven that the spawn system in this game is stupid

because there literally is a full wave bound to the extract

[deft kiln]

Yeah there was kinda werid in the full squad run tbh

[obtuse surge]

even in full squad its usually still noticeable yes

[atomic escarp]

110%)

[fringe surge]

I thought the old mg did 1 shot headshots to small sleeprs

Am I tripping

But other than that,it has a better feel to it than the new mg
Tho I like both

Depends on the mood I guess

[half hornet]

new heavy MG definetely feels easier to use

I think it got something to do with that holosight.
I can see everything.

[fringe surge]

That sight is pretty fuckin sick

[half hornet]

Our buff MG is very claustraphobic with that tight scope

[fringe surge]

The verudata or sumthin
Big drum mag is just
Aim towards horde- profit

Let the horizontal recoil do the work for you

[atomic escarp]

Can actually see what you're shooting

[fringe surge]

2.9 dmg per shot
0.74 precision multi for the arbalest

Hih

Thats actually surprising

The veruta does 3.5 dmg a hit

Goddamn

I expected the slow small mag one to do more dmg

The more I learn

[half hornet]

Balance hard

[plucky breach]

completed

first try

[stable pivot]

And it even has less max ammo cap than the new MG - balance issue? I feel like logically the gun that has less available ammo should hit harder. 🤔

[half hornet]

They forgot to buff it, it seems

or... to nerf our mg, that is

[plucky breach]

yeah

did they nerf the dmg of the precision rifle

[half hornet]

no

they nerfed the mag size

[vernal stratus]

Would be fine if it wasn’t a rundown-specific weapon

[stable pivot]

It won't be rundown specific from this point onwards - rundowns aren't getting deleted anymore, and all the guns seem to be coming to all rundowns (which is good)

[plucky breach]

kk

[plucky breach]

was the sawed off shotgun good

[stable pivot]

Some say it was, some say it was trash. I never tried it.

[vernal stratus]

Is that so?
Cause I have a feeling some weapons might still be tied to a specific rundown for balance reasons

[stable pivot]

That's my current understanding of things, considering that both the old MG and combat shotgun are available in both R1 and R7 along with all the other weapons.
@broken scarab might be able to verify this.

[plucky breach]

was there ever a HEL gun in the secondary slot

i really like the hel shotgun and revolver

[kind surge]

two of them

the hel-gun and the hel-rifle

a cannon, and a bigger cannon

[plucky breach]

if they ever come back i'm using double HEL loadout lmao

the hel shotgun melts in D1

[fringe surge]

God i miss the hel rifle

[plucky breach]

i would like much more variety of weapons to test

well

try out

not test

[mossy marsh]

hel gun 🤢

I don't want cheese, thanks

[hallow lark]

Wait… what’s the difference between both MGs? The Arbalist and Veruta (besides rate of fire)

[hexed vapor]

40 vs. 60 mag, 3-shot vs. 4-shot on Strikers, ~65 vs. ~80 shots a refill, higher damage per shot vs. slightly lower damage per shot.

[hallow lark]

Hmm… interesting. Thx for that!

[hexed vapor]

Essentially, Arbalist plays for precision and its good breakpoints, while Veruta is a bit less stringent and plays for its good damage output.

[hallow lark]

I’ll try the other MG then and see how it goes

[stable pivot]

@hallow lark
Basically what Rayalot said - Veruta shines at spraying entire mags into crowds or big enemies with long sustained fire and high DPS, whereas Arbalist is better fired in shorter bursts against smaller groups of enemies or single large targets.
Of course Arbalist can also be mag dumped into crowds, but doesn't do as good of a job at it as Veruta, and Veruta doesn't do as good of a job against smaller groups of enemies as Arbalist.

[obtuse surge]

the old mg its still cringe

thats the only difference

[hexed vapor]

Old MG feel good

[kind surge]

old mg has 25 round magazine. you talking about the r5 abomination?

[nocturne flax]

Its pretty pog on bots

old r1 machinegun its cringe, basically a discounted dmr

[deft kiln]

has anyone else had a giant be pushed in r1 or just me

[nocturne flax]

@errant vigil

[errant vigil]

Nah it fine

Giant didn’t get push 6 meters into gorilla grip territory

[wary olive]

I've had it in r7, though they say they fixed it in the r7 launch patch notes

[acoustic gale]

clear response from calle that weapons from any rundowns added over time will stay permanently from now on

not sure why he used the word "rotate" but it still gets the point across

[hard cape]

Did they nerf the sniper sentry after the update?

[dire pelican]

yeh

increase the delay

fire and aim

[exotic lichen]

dose any one want to play

[obtuse surge]

😂

it did get better

like there are some cases where it doesn't happen now

yay

and when did they add use on ally

in keybinds

i never saw it in a patch note

[wary olive]

For resources?

[obtuse surge]

idk i haven't tried it

but its in keybinds

"use on ally"

[wary olive]

Wtf that's a thing now?

[obtuse surge]

i guess

does it work idk

[daring pilot]

i must go test this

[wary olive]

Wouldn't that keybind only be useful if there was a dedicated "use on self" keybind because don't allies take priority over self if they're in your target

[obtuse surge]

the only thing with those prompts that bothers me is when it says someones name but then gives it to someone else

and the interupts from other prompts in range

[obtuse surge]

@broken scarab the 3rd terminal on R7C2 has shadows now which it didn't before the R1 update

[paper harness]

that's very odd

[errant vigil]

R5D1 Key zone Charger alarm termination

[hard cape]

Do I consume my booster as long as I drop?

[wary olive]

there is a certain time period where if host does retire to lobby within that period, you wont consume them

[idle nacelle]

R1C1 may become my new favorite "chill" mission

[jaunty lava]

between the two choices of machinegun we have, which one is more accurate?

and do they have similar dps?

[paper harness]

might need to wait for the spreadsheets to come out for the weapons but from my experience the 60 mag mg shreds giants faster than the 40 mag one, probably because its firerate is significantly higher

the 40 mag one has a slower firerate but higher kick per bullet, probably easier to control than the 60 mag mg

but all subjective

[hallow lark]

Whelp... going back to "cause" more scares XD

[hard cape]

they re not updating mtfo anymore

[twin dirge]

whenever you start a level it consumes the booster

[hallow lark]

Hey um…..

Did R7C2 change?

Cuz… there was never shadows in it during 2nd cell scan… seeing those thing scared the shit out of me

[hard cape]

Is there even shadow in C2?

i remember there are chargers and mom

but i have no recollection of shadow

[twin dirge]

sounds like they added shadows

[hallow lark]

I think they changed 2nd INIT alarm a bit

I was wondering where the hell are the mobs after getting 4/5 scans done… only to find shadows in the room

Coming for us

That was…. “Pleasant”….

I died inside when I saw em in this level since I was never expecting em

[broken scarab]

Hm, interesting

[broken scarab]

Shadows as in enemies?

[bold widget]

just dropped in yes

[obtuse surge]

yes

[strange hollow]

😐

[ashen summit]

Currently doing E1 with my friends

managed to lock the immortal to staring competition

[atomic escarp]

yea welcome to tank ai

[lofty perch]

never got to play rundowns pre-5 since i got into it late

did my first attempt at r1c1

the reactor

(failed)

i don;'t think i've ever managed to be terrified of getting resources before

[mortal portal]

There's always a first time

[lofty perch]

vore dog scared me less than opening 3 lockers and getting 8 different resources

[bright kelp]

https://youtu.be/-aRrQTQf-4Y R1D1 has a morse code

[fallow wasp]

Incredible

[atomic escarp]

any veterans in chat? 🥺

[bold widget]

whatya need

[atomic escarp]

did r7d1

now there's an error alarm after finishing sequences

[atomic escarp]

ur a vet??

how many hours

[bold widget]

i know a bit but not everything ;p 2k

[atomic escarp]

wow you're so hecking good O_O

[bold widget]

always room for improvement

[atomic escarp]

i can coach you

[bold widget]

so i don't know everything just yet for sure

[atomic escarp]

i know a lot

but do you know how to make deadlythegamer return

who the fuck is that

[silent kettle]

make sure you type KWTD, once these players join your discord you play with them and if they're good you can befriend them

[coarse echo]

you dont know deadlythegamer?

[vestal zephyr]

R1B1, is there anything preventing you from just doing the east and north wings instead of heading through the western scan with the key-locked security door?

Do you need to clear the western sectors?

[obtuse surge]

you will always need to clear the first alarm

the 2 free zones can only give you up to 6 ids

best case scenario you go to 4 zones total whatever zones they are

and 3 ids in each zone

you pick the path

but a STRAT to make the first alarm easier is to do that free zone first

cuz it gives the alarm the proper distance for its wave spawns

so they wont just spawn right next to you at the elevator anymore

[fallen cradle]

leviosah

[vestal zephyr]

even then it's still braindead easy

Just kinda wondered what the distinction was between going north vs going west

[obtuse surge]

yeh

your choice

pick between alarms/giants/scouts

[vestal zephyr]

scouts are an easier time of it tbh

I solo'd through R1B1 on my own doing stealth through the giant section but when I take my friends back through we're taking the scout route

[wide lion]

death win

[atomic escarp]

the warden didnt like schaeffer and henrikson interfering

[prisma ibex]

how tf does that even happen lol

[obtuse dove]

Are we supposed to have waves spawn when we put in the last code in R7E1?

[daring pilot]

[atomic escarp]

yes

[obtuse dove]

So it just spawns on like people near the reactor? Or is it always in the reactor room

[atomic escarp]

that i dont know

[hallow lark]

I’m still shocked by addition of shadows in R7C2

[atomic escarp]

sup with r7c2

[hallow lark]

Idk! I was doing my usual solo attempt in that level… until during 2nd INIT scan… I was so confused by lack of mob presence and as I finished the last scan… I see one normal Giant so I went to go kill it…. Until I saw shadows all over it

[atomic escarp]

thats weird

i know the 3rd one has lights going down

perhaps an oversight?

[hallow lark]

No?

This was COMPLETELY new… even I had completed it before many times

R7C2 is a shadow free level…

[atomic escarp]

yeah i know but it could be an oversight on the devs side

[hallow lark]

I don’t recall there EVER a time where power flunctuates

[atomic escarp]

@broken scarab could you confirm?

[atomic escarp]

in the 3rd ventillation

zone s scan

[hallow lark]

The 3rd INIT scan?

No

There’s never shadows during that

(At least before R1 came)

[atomic escarp]

i know but the light goes out when you do it perhaps thats where shadows are meant to spawn?

[hallow lark]

That area has always been dark

[atomic escarp]

there were some lights here n there

[hallow lark]

Or at least not even lights to support visual confirmations

[atomic escarp]

you also hear the loud thud noise

[hallow lark]

…….I’m deaf

XD

I didn’t know there was a thud noise

[atomic escarp]

that was unintentional sry 😦

[hallow lark]

It’s funny XD

[atomic escarp]

i literally forgot

[hallow lark]

Don’t worry too much. I’ll go after people IF I know they’re being serious. You aren’t one of those

[atomic escarp]

[hallow lark]

I had plenty of people experiences (although mostly bad ones) to tell people apart

[atomic escarp]

now that i think about it its kinda weird that there arent shadows in c2

cuz you get shadows in b2 secondary

[hallow lark]

There NEVER was any shadows in c2 in the first place

Yes shadows are in b2 secondary, c3

And d1/2

[atomic escarp]

also e1

[hallow lark]

Oh yea

In that one too

[atomic escarp]

kinda wish there were

[hallow lark]

Plenty of hellish shadows to deal with…

I don’t need more to handle lol XD

[atomic escarp]

so long as hackett keeps pinging em im slashing em

[hallow lark]

I usually run that c2 without Biotracker

[atomic escarp]

i like to know where stuff are

info is king

[hallow lark]

XD it IS king to know where stuff is

That’s why I follow my TPP (Tiered Priority Protocol) when it comes to looking at the room and analyzing the situation in it. AND having past experiences of the level helps you make better guesses and predictions as to what the room may have

[atomic escarp]

bio bot is soo good i cant let it go

[hallow lark]

The introduction of shadows into c2 completely threw my book outta the window

[atomic escarp]

game pulling a fast one on you

[hallow lark]

It DID

My guard was completely down on that

[atomic escarp]

what do you have instead of bio?

[hallow lark]

Foam

For Overload

[half hornet]

And that's most of R1 done... Only D left.

That's for another day.

[hallow lark]

Nice

D is fun

[paper hedge]

Guys... what if the real objective is the friends weve made along the way

[kind swan]

My friends I made along the way?

Man

FUCK THOSE GUYS

SMFH

Can't even 720° Backwards Jump Hammer hit a Giant mid IIX Syringe melee damage boost for 1 hit

[hard cape]

where can I see the buff/nerf for the update?

[errant vigil]

@hard cape #patch-notes

[stable pivot]

@hallow lark is a gigachad on some another level - not only soloing levels but also doing it without sound, which is extremely important in this game.

I don't know why, but for some reason half of the gigachad players I have met are either not using mic and/or are deaf.

[hard cape]

thank you sir appreciate it

[broken scarab]

Looking into it

[obtuse cedar]

talk is cheap. show your skills and pubs follow 🤷

[atomic escarp]

maybe you should try and play the game soundless

[obtuse cedar]

it's ok. i already play with music blasting through my ears constantly

[hallow lark]

Lol

[hallow lark]

Thx for the compliment but it does take a lot more time to get used to it

[bold widget]

gay

[hallow lark]

Well… maybe there may be other reasons why people don’t talk.

[obtuse cedar]

90% of pubs will follow a person that just looks to be a good players. they won't even question their strat

some will challenge them sure. and those can be split into 2 categories. they will eventually follow if you are better than they are, or they will fight you on everything because of their ego

[mortal granite]

or be me

just wait until their strat got destroyed by everything

[obtuse cedar]

that's the funny way to play though

[mortal granite]

if their strat is good, no harm no foul

[hallow lark]

While that may be true… but also consider the point that most others would prefer to play with friends

[mortal granite]

if their strat is bad, a littlge giggle

[obtuse cedar]

what i said was targeting PUBS. i stand by what i said. i don't care how friends play with each others. it's their goup. it's not 4 random people

[hallow lark]

Also…can you confidently say that 90% would play with a deaf player in this game? I doubt that as some can very well doubt the effectiveness of someone who is deaf playing this game

In overall terms (pubs) this time

No one is perfect and yes, we will get people who lookup to us and follow our moves and such. Also… it’s a great opportunity for others to learn a few new tricks or fun

[obtuse cedar]

just don't advertize yourself as deaf. basic game knowledge can cover you for 70% of the game even without knowing where to go.
also half-deaf people generally have something to make them able to hear. if that is your case then it's on you to not use said thing

[hallow lark]

And I understand that complete. It is my choice to use said “Deaf” word when I’m advertising my run in pubs. But I’m also saying that just so other can understand what they’re getting into. I’ve seen far too many people who are all about mic only or other certains

[hallow lark]

USUALLY, half deaf people uses hearing aids… but full-deaf people actually has a choice based on their experiences

But anyways… how’s everyone?

[wary olive]

You get 90% of pub players that are willing to follow? Damn I must get the 10% that insist on leading using their subpar strats

[atomic escarp]

is it socially acceptable to host a game with the understanding that the joiner will follow our strat?

[stable pivot]

If you say so in the invite post, yes. You can set whatever conditions you want in the invite, and if those conditions aren't me you can refuse to let that person in.

For example, some people do invite posts where they only accept people who have completed certain levels or sections of levels before.

Although I don't recommend barring micless or deaf people - for some reason most of the ones I have met are also some of the best players I have had the joy of playing with.

[atomic escarp]

advertising a run

🤨

[boreal carbon]

R1D1 is just laughably easy now

But like holy s*** imagine the invisible wave with no pdw

[strange junco]

well it serves as a better tutorial now

[boreal carbon]

yeah

and with max supply buff you only have to go through 1 max 2 side door

[strange junco]

i didnt even have to use boosters and we only had to do 1 side zone

just went to a terminal and find a zone with most resources

[boreal carbon]

nice

waiting for R2 now I guess

[strange junco]

wonder how long its gonna take now

[real moss]

What are you on? no side doors at all without boosters

[boreal carbon]

(early 2023)

[boreal carbon]

We had plenty machine guns so

[real moss]

Like people went in the side rooms 😂

[boreal carbon]

yeah not terribly efficient 😆

[real moss]

R1D1 was even easier than original 😭

Alt://R1 as a whole actually is even easier now actually 😔

[boreal carbon]

I mean C1 was

well no it wasn't hard

[real moss]

C1 is: bring 3 sentries and a bio. ez gg

[boreal carbon]

twice did ppl disconnect that's all

[real moss]

You get like 50 uses of tool

C1 is actually the one who would be harder cause in the corridor it's now a sec door and not a normal door so you can't quickly close it IF something goes wrong. And hybrids were not there as well

[atomic escarp]

idk what do you mean by going to side doors

when my team literally did it in 13 mins no boosters

probably one of the faster teams to ego post too

[twin dirge]

they hated jesus cause he told them the truth

[atomic escarp]

it's harder because it's not r1 mg

r1 mg lets you solo 2 waves with one use of ammo

[twin dirge]

it's still easier to complete anyway

[real moss]

Such is the cross I have to carry 😔

[atomic escarp]

was bout to ask how then i remembered its modern gtfo

[real moss]

R7 mines ...

Just to start

[atomic escarp]

r1 mines were fine

r1 mines aren't that bad, just that people don't know how to use them

[real moss]

R1 mines killed like 5 dudes. R7 mines kill the wave

[atomic escarp]

placing them right behind a door did jacky didly

it never killed more than 2 for me

idk why

[real moss]

Also Azert and you know cause we were there two weeks ago

[atomic escarp]

ah ok

[real moss]

Way less enemies in the rooms, recoil is pretty much non existent compared to R1

Alt://R1 is just an easier version of an already easy rundown 😃

And that's fine. It will only ramp up from here

[atomic escarp]

the hand holding rundown

[real moss]

(until we get to r6 😂)

[atomic escarp]

r6 was difficult in its own metrics

[real moss]

Wut?

It had it's moments (D3PE)

[atomic escarp]

thats fair

[real moss]

can not wait till you experience R4 and R5 😃

[nocturne flax]

I have never seen a man lied to himself so hard

[atomic escarp]

it is not that bad

[atomic escarp]

im sure ill do it with bots easy 😏

[nocturne flax]

STOP LYING TO YOURSELF

[atomic escarp]

if anything i prefer pre p5 mines

[nocturne flax]

ITS NOT HEALTHY

[real moss]

😂

[atomic escarp]

getting 2 is better than 1.5

and i don't like mine deployer in general

[nocturne flax]

i hate all tools

[atomic escarp]

mine deployer is the best

i love sniper sentry

instead of mining the wave, people should learn to shoot their guns with sentry

when r4c1 comes back, i'm outshooting the 12 code uplink solo

or save yourself time and just drop a mine

if mine deployer didn't exist, people would learn to shoot r4e1 reactor

so people would go 2-2 and then shoot the blood door

sounds like you want your team to fail

if mine deployer didn't exist, scout waves would actually be a little bit more dangerous

fail?

buddy, the only way to fail is you actively griefing

it's pretty hard to fail expeditions unless you try hard enough

scouts spawn like 15 enemies you still can shoot em if no mine deployer

hence why i said a little bit more

they never were

except r5d1

[nocturne flax]

I dont know how mine deplouer have anything to do with r4e1

When back in tbe day the only thing they did on that reactor was running in a circle at spawn

[atomic escarp]

peopel were under the concept you must have a mine to solo codes

[nocturne flax]

Mine just made it simpler to do

[atomic escarp]

when you could have just 2-2 and shoot gun

[nocturne flax]

I fought that blood door with cs and no mines

[nocturne flax]

Apart from speed 2 and 2 its not really necessary

You can still do it

The main issue with thst reactor was that the variety of enemy wasny good

[atomic escarp]

i think it's normal when you made a rapid reactor sequence where the game challenges your consistency

plus the game never really had that diverse of enemy variety

[nocturne flax]

Slap a charger some big shooter to tank some burst canons shots here and there

Hybrids got too much wind up you can easily snipe them

I dont wanna sit on my ass with revo for 30 mins

In the remake

[atomic escarp]

30 mins sounds like a skill issue

[nocturne flax]

While you were still having a skill issue back on the day i was shooting that reactoe

[atomic escarp]

yea i

am a r5 player

then i just shoot my gun

[nocturne flax]

Even worst

[atomic escarp]

sorry i'm not an elitist who joined in r1

[nocturne flax]

We gotta treat eachother like caca

[atomic escarp]

can't turn back time

[nocturne flax]

The only way

[atomic escarp]

but can time travel

[nocturne flax]

I do hope they actually takr the oportunity to rework some levels from r2 and onward

Yeah theres some minor changes in r1

But nothing mayor

[atomic escarp]

they should because it's not even a faithful way to play it

might as well do something radical and change smth to "surprise" people

[nocturne flax]

Sharpee theeth

Longer tongue

Bigger big shooter ass

[boreal tendon]

so we're probably gonna get helgun and hel rifle in r3

with balancing from r5

and it's gonna stay untill R4

[nocturne flax]

They gonna rebalance it

They have to

[boreal tendon]

r4e1 extreme with helgun is gonna be funny

mr Dragon

you should put off copium for some time

[nocturne flax]

More like hopium

[atomic escarp]

r4e1 ex with hel

[boreal tendon]

whatever, i try to avoid drugs

[nocturne flax]

They gotta nerf that shit

[atomic escarp]

you kill 3 reactor waves

in 2 refill

[boreal tendon]

ye, like sniper sentry or hel revo

[atomic escarp]

1 refill is kinda pushing it

i mean it's r6 hel revo

[boreal tendon]

won't change much

[atomic escarp]

not as nuts as r4 where you can kill 36 enemies in one refill

[boreal tendon]

already did that shit on ancestor with helrevo/revo

not much of a difference

[atomic escarp]

never said it's hard

just not as nuts as r4 hel revolver

[boreal tendon]

gonna be irrelevant anyway

when u get helgun/rifle

[hexed vapor]

Unironically, I think R4D1 solo is going to be easier for me in the remake than in the OG because of HEL weapons.

[boreal tendon]

depends if you're going for extreme or not

[hexed vapor]

I just want the main, ngl.

[boreal tendon]

1magging mom in 2 moms room with a shotgun is extremely valuable

[nocturne flax]

Just pre scan extraction lole

[hexed vapor]

I got to blood door on that, died, and gave up.

[boreal tendon]

class 4 before the last code is the hardest part there tbh

but you can setup some cfoam when going for 2nd and 3rd code

[atomic escarp]

how is the class 4 hard

it's unironically the easiest part

you fight 3 waves at least, 4 at most

compared to the 50-80 enemies in reactor waves

:^)

also no back dmg sentry

i cry

[silent kettle]

guys r4 auto sentry meta because you can stagger the enemies in r4d1 solo

[atomic escarp]

i'm still waiting for the solo

all words no proof

[boreal tendon]

you can't stand in a long straight line and you are time pressured 🙂

[atomic escarp]

you can

you can just funnel the area in front of security

one hel revo cylinder and you kill the entire wave

[boreal tendon]

I'd like to see that one

didn't manage to do that despite completing it like 30 times

[atomic escarp]

sounds like a you issue

[boreal tendon]

sky's the limit i guess

[atomic escarp]

true

[silent kettle]

alternatively you hunt the enemies

[atomic escarp]

i need to do it 25 more times mr jool

can't ego flex hard enough

[silent kettle]

why are you ego flexing a D tier

[atomic escarp]

you mean a b tier

[silent kettle]

ok have fun killing 2 moms on ur own

[boreal tendon]

u could maybe call that D tier before extension

[atomic escarp]

time to burst cannon 70% of the wave

[plucky breach]

Any tips for R7E1

[bold widget]

don't die

[mortal portal]

Bring Cfoam, permafoam the door where the chargers spawn during the big scan

[twin dirge]

as if a new player can pull that off

easier to get another turret and shoot everything

[atomic escarp]

it's an e tier (disguised as a c tier at best but still)

i think it's safe to assume a certain level of decency is to be expected

[twin dirge]

the amount of people that try to c-foam that door and fail is hilariously high

myself included

[tough badger]

just rotate

[atomic escarp]

depends

if you foam door, it's around 4-5 uses of tool (67% + the 4/5 uses of tool)

if you shoot then, you fight around 3-4 waves of chargers

1 wave is around 14 chargers

so assuming sniper sentry shot half, that's 3 uses of tool

then you shot the rest, that's 2-3 uses of ammo

[tough badger]

it's basically a choice between whether you want more wiggle room for stealth (more cfoam) or the reactor itself (more ammo) imo

[atomic escarp]

it shouldn't matter unless you repeat codes

14 uses of ammo + 3-7 uses of ammo then 8 uses +3/4 uses of tool is enough for 3 people to shoot reactor

i say 3 because one person just do code fetching so his ammo consumption is not that much

[tough badger]

Right, which is why my group preferred to spend more ammo than tool on the thunderdome

[wide lion]

?

[prisma ibex]

you guys died and still won

[jaunty lava]

What are the pros and cons of the two machine guns we have? One has smaller max ammo per magazine than the other, but what does it have to compensate?

[half hornet]

Currently nothing besides aesthetics and a very convinient holo-sight that doesn't get in the way of your eyesight.

Lower fire rate, lower damage, lower magazine and even lesser total ammo(?).

Looks cooler, sounds cooler. That's about it.

[jaunty lava]

oh ok

[stable pivot]

Actually has higher damage at 3.91.

Higher damage, slower fire rate, faster reload, smaller mag size and lower max ammo.
More controllable recoil, clear sight picture, no blinding muzzle flash.

It is a hybrid between the heavy assault rifle and the Veruta MG.

[hexed vapor]

Arbalist leans into accuracy and TTK while Veruta is more for raw damage and staying power.

3-shot kill, 13 kills/156 damage in a mag, and lower recoil vs. 4-shot kill, 15 kills/210 damage in a mag, and a higher recoil.

Also worth noting that, while it's on you for fucking up the vertical recoil, horizontal recoil isn't really something you can control for shot-by-shot (re-centering the crosshair takes more time than it takes for a second shot to fire off), giving the Arbalist better range than the Veruta in practice.

[scenic lion]

r1c1 is harder than I expected damn

I imagine it's easier to manage resources when you're not playing with only bots

[strange junco]

bots actually use resources prematurely

[maiden flax]

I hate when they do that

[open pier]

Agreed on the range part tbh, even firing the Veruta at range with bursts is hard to hit anything

[gloomy flame]

if only bots would only use or pick up resources when prompted to

that would make bots a bit less annoying to play with

[scenic lion]

where do you guys leave your sentries and what sentries are you taking? I'm taking 2 burst and 1 sniper + biotracker
leaving the sniper sentry between the sec_door and the terminal, right at the top of the incline, and the 2 burst sentries a bit ahead of the sniper, one on each side of the storage thingies

[scenic lion]

that and the weird fetish they have with going through closing doors

[gloomy flame]

the way I beat the alt version with some guys in LFG was fighting the first wave wherever we got into contact with them, trying to make it as far forward as we could. While the second wave was starting, pushing all the way to the extract zone and holding the doors there, using the resources in that zone for the next two waves. Then falling back to the zone before reactor and holding there using the resources in that zone for the last 4-5 waves.

as long as you have good resource management, and use chokepoints with sentries, you should be good

[scenic lion]

wait you can use any terminal to input the commands??!!!

[hexed vapor]

He's bots only.

[hexed vapor]

No.

[scenic lion]

ohhhh I see

so 1 or 2 people by the reactor and 3 or 2 people push

I gave gtfo to my gf as a gift so now I have someone else

and we might start using the lfg channels

[gloomy flame]

not really possible to use that strat I mentioned with bots only, since you have to run back to put the code in

[scenic lion]

I got to the end of round 6/8 with this setup, with a 6 use medi, 5 use ammo and me carrying a 5 use tool refill. I also left a 5 use and a 2 use tool nearby

[gloomy flame]

yeah, for the first wave, the terminal player can push up with the team, but for the next 2-3 waves while the team is all the way forward, they stay by terminal, too far to run back and forth

[scenic lion]

and the monsters only spawn ahead of the players pushing?

or can they spawn between the pushers and the terminal guy

[gloomy flame]

yes, but they spawn further back if you push forward further

they don't spawn between

[scenic lion]

okay nice

do the last 2 rounds scale up in difficulty?

[gloomy flame]

certain waves have more big strikers and some have hybrids

I believe it was wave 4 hybrids show up

I didn't keep track after that