gtfo-speed-running

[mellow pike]

wait no way wheel is winning

[viral monolith]

i voted for wheel 😔

[placid marten]

community poll is catching up

but it was 42 to 26 for a while

imagine if you had to get all silver medals to vote for these kinda things

[mellow pike]

id love an r4e1 comp or e2

id prob get bronze but idc it just looks fun

[viral monolith]

@sullen silo if wheel does win can we vote remove levels like r1a1 r5b4 r8e1

[placid marten]

youd have to remove half the levels to even make it runable

[mellow pike]

the wheel lands on r5e1

[viral monolith]

we would just remove everything that isn't r4e1 e2

[placid marten]

nah

theres a lot of runs that are good

[mellow pike]

r5c2 bro

[placid marten]

and honestly R4E1 isnt that great

R8E2 is cool but it isnt accessible

[viral monolith]

would it end up being main only?

[placid marten]

depends

[mellow pike]

r4e1 main only sounds unfun

[viral monolith]

sec is more fun

[placid marten]

R4E1 main has the exact same unfun part (the start)

it plays the ending slightly riskier

but otherwise its just the run minus reactor

[placid marten]

depends (last time it wouldve been up to vote when chosen)

[drifting citrus]

r4e1 secondary is more fun probably but harder and more RNG heavy

i would say r4e1 main might be slightly better for the competition because the times will be nicer for the high skilled players and slightly more accessible...

but ehhh

idk

[glass cradle]

I feel like by now we shouldve figured out that accessible isnt real

[placid marten]

it absolutely is

[odd delta]

idk we have had like 1 team not having at least 1 vet the last 2 comps

[placid marten]

R3D1 had a few more teams of exclusively no vets and that is considering that R5E1 was a far more run comp

either way

id rather R8E2 than a random wheel giving us whatever shit it chooses

[odd delta]

can't wait for it to roll r7b2 secondary and it's the last comp because "lack of interest in previous comp"

[placid marten]

R7B2 isnt even in the worst 10

is the funny part here

[odd delta]

no but it's for sure very boring

[placid marten]

its an uplink mission, thats the biggest flaw

[trail narwhal]

henlo, where can i vote. and where can i find people who could adopt me to try speedrunning

[placid marten]

rng on it is somehow not terrible considering it has 3 keys and 2 seperate terms (but uplink means you cant insta reset in drop ever)

[placid marten]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/584806726985842849

[oblique lotus]

pls vote the wheel of fate 🙏

[trail narwhal]

thx, i voted for community chosen as much as i love rng wheel

its already winning, i like to bet on underdogs

at the very least its better because unfun maps are filtered out naturally

[drifting citrus]

nah nah we make sure community votes r1a1

[trail narwhal]

tho fun challenging maps are also filtered out i guess

[placid marten]

huh why would they be with community vote?

[trail narwhal]

all votes count (but only for r1a1)

[trail narwhal]

some people deciding certain map is scary idk

[placid marten]

the last comp was R5E1

[drifting citrus]

ehhh.. depends on what the options are and honestly

the more popular levels are gonna be getting most votes

[placid marten]

most comp levels (as speedruns) that were being recommended are more challenging than your typical D tier run

[trail narwhal]

true true

[oblique lotus]

and next comp will surely be r4e1 100% prayge

the wheel of fate will decide

[glass cradle]

I hope not

[drifting citrus]

i doubt most people would actually try to see which level is best for speedrunning compared to just voting based on vibes

[glass cradle]

correct

[oblique lotus]

i feel r5e1 is alr the peak

[glass cradle]

that is why r4e1 almost won last time

[placid marten]

just ban everyone who doesnt submit runs

surely

(who voted)

[drifting citrus]

half the active playerbase gets banned

[oblique lotus]

last one has 85 ppl vote

but i doubt theres 85 diff ppl run the comp

[placid marten]

it was ~55 people

[glass cradle]

all I can say is

looking at the ppl who voted in each category

is very funny

[placid marten]

how many people in the wheel category can you spot that you know

[glass cradle]

curious how pretty much everyone who actually ran last time voted for community choice...

lemme count how many I know ran last time

5 I think

[placid marten]

13 people I see that I could identify immediatly
4 of those that ran stuff

im honestly trying to think what would be the worst 10 levels to roll

R1C1, R5B4, R6C3, R8E1 would be like nightmare scenario for sure

[frosty dagger]

are all e levels removed from the wheel since the last comp was r5e1?

[viral monolith]

r2e1 runs would be fun

[placid marten]

no

[viral monolith]

maybe ill swap my vote.....

[sour jungle]

Why is wheel still winning

[proven canyon]

God i love gambling

[rustic bridge]

I like r2e1

[odd delta]

i think r2e1 could be good for comp

[rustic bridge]

I did a few runs a couple days ago and it was pretty fun

[odd delta]

ye i was tour guided for a sesh with ray chill to learn the route and how to play it and i enjoyed it

[proven canyon]

Are there more good levels to speedrun than bad?

[placid marten]

depends on your definition of good

[proven canyon]

Enjoyable to run

[placid marten]

that depends on what everyone enjoys

[proven canyon]

🥸

[placid marten]

no like

Im for real

just look at say R6B1

some people will enjoy it a lot

others wont

its easier to say whats bad

(obviously you can still be more distinct in how bad, but typically its awful rng to run for, boring to run or autoscroller)

[proven canyon]

Ok so 50/50 split is what I’m hearing (technically not wrong)

[placid marten]

I could go through the missions

[proven canyon]

Let’s say rng is minimal enough to not need to reset just to get certain boxes, enjoyable to run and also challenging

[placid marten]

Even including arguable ones

R1D1, R2B1, R2B2, R2B4, R2C2 (but wardenmapper is kinda mandatory), R3A2 (same but seedindexer), R4B2, R4C3, R4D2, R5C2, R5D1 (if time is lenient cuz otherwise FUCK rng on cell), R5D2, R6B1, R6AX, R6C2, R6D1, R6D2, R6D4 (altho you need to use tool again likely), R8B2, R8A2sec, R8B4, R8C2, R8D2, R8E2

24
so 26 if you include R3D1 and R5E1

[mellow pike]

exactly so lets get an e2 comp going

[proven canyon]

Idm using the mapper it’s just I wanna actually get into the level

[placid marten]

accessability is real and arguging it isnt is crazy

zed made a very valid point

[misty veldt]

using external tools like mapper and seed indexer automatically alienates quite a few people from trying comps

is there a level where those arent as necessary

[placid marten]

yup

[proven canyon]

Yea but like you shouldn’t have to use them to get a decent experience

[placid marten]

well tool useage makes checking logs easier but isnt necessary since it can be done manually for keys n stuff aswell where it isnt too complex

But removing the ones that are awful to run without stuff like wardenmapper etc

[mellow pike]

ive been doing r6a1 no logs just fine

tools arent necessary

[placid marten]

Even including arguable ones

R1D1, R2B1, R2B4, R4C3, R4D2, R5C2, R5D1 (if time is lenient cuz otherwise FUCK rng on cell), R5D2, R6B1, R6AX, R6C2, R6D1, R6D2, R6D4, R8B2, R8A2sec, R8B4, R8C2, R8D2, R8E2

[proven canyon]

Just for the people that want the ”good” times

[placid marten]

if you are genuinely trying to speedrun and not using logs then you are simply throwing away your time

I ran r6a1 in og r6

I know how bad it gets

[misty veldt]

actually trying for top of leaderboards without logs yes is horrific

[placid marten]

Its just way more time spent dropping and resetting

[proven canyon]

The humble trio run you malefic and I had

[misty veldt]

My vote of this goes to R8B4. I know quite a few people stuck on that level due to the checkpoint bug making the level way harder

[placid marten]

i did duo r6a1 a ton in og

Running to best first key room. Checking 2-3 boxes just to reset isnt enjoyable

[misty veldt]

and not a lot of people know the cells are static

it's on wiki now

[mellow pike]

fair, but im playing for personal records on that so ig yeah not using logs sucks

[placid marten]

R8B4 is also only 1 log check (if cell spawned in the correct blood door)

You can run both pw sides (its only ~10-15 sec time loss max)

[misty veldt]

yeah that's not too bad

[placid marten]

R8B4 was on the list of levels recommended

[misty veldt]

it's a good opportunity to increase community knowledge on that level and get people past it/comfortable with running it. Cool level

[proven canyon]

Crazy that soy is the reason I got into speedrunning 😭🙏

[misty veldt]

why isn't it EVA as your reason

[proven canyon]

Cuz Eva didn’t push me to do a run

Like soy said ”I’ll be disappointed” or smth and that was it

[placid marten]

I dont push people to run

I did that ages ago

Ive been speedrunning since end of 2021 in gtfo

[proven canyon]

I mean you prolly have done to some but more as a ”watched a speedrun vid looked fun” kinda way

[placid marten]

Hm?

wdym

[mellow pike]

ok but anyone wanna do an r5e1 cs

or something

play something

[placid marten]

reminder for a mix of challenge, diversity and preferably for rng to not be awful

R5C2
R5D2
R6D2
R6 story%
R8A2sec
R8B4
R8C2

are all pretty cool runs

R8A2sec also goes by incredibly fast

[misty veldt]

I thought R5C2 Main has awful RNG

[proven canyon]

Lowkey thinking about R6 story% but dunno if I have the time (or skillz) to actually do it yet

[placid marten]

depends on aim for pace
Key barely matters
Res matter more than cells if you play shadow zone at moderate pace (and if you do other cells are always fine)

[placid marten]

why wouldnt you?

[proven canyon]

Im working for the next month and a half

And uhh

[placid marten]

ah

[proven canyon]

The rest of the time I’m eepy

And after that don’t think I’ll be able to VC without being muted that much (also why haven’t I changed my name yet)

[mellow pike]

ive just been pubbing since comp maaaan

[proven canyon]

I don’t remember if I was pubbing frequently before the comp

[placid marten]

idk why people dont try to build a speed team for themselves

just imagine if sky and zed actually got 2 more

and theyd run 4 mans

[placid marten]

With bots :^ )

[proven canyon]

They like duoing

[proven canyon]

True

[odd delta]

i mean we both would run 4man if we had 2 more interested i think

[mellow pike]

id be down

i mean id like to but most of the time ill get turned down

well if u ever need a fill im down zed

[odd delta]

someday maybe

point is that me and sky do kinda enjoy running hard stuff and finding 2 more that can grind it at the times we do and at a similar skill level and that are interested is like very very hard

[mellow pike]

actually ive been runnning with duck a lot lately

[placid marten]

just gotta find people willing to run who are willing to improve

[mellow pike]

i just happen to run into him at pubs

[placid marten]

You think tgb and frosty started out experienced?

or me for that matter?

only kenny did
but hes like fossil age

[odd delta]

well yes but it'

[mellow pike]

i remember looking up to kenny in the og days lol

[candid jackal]

back in his day sub 5 r1a1 was craaaazy

[odd delta]

s miserable to run seriously with people substantially worse

[placid marten]

the curve of speedrun times from og r1 to og r4 was crazy

[odd delta]

you don't start out experienced but when building a team you want the team to be roughly on equal footing so that you get to skillprog together

[placid marten]

went from oof to genuinely good for the grinded times really quickly

[placid marten]

eh

I didnt have a single team where that was truly the case

it turned out close after playing together

but you always had someone new at some point

[mellow pike]

ithink frosty said

[proven canyon]

I just got an urge to play R5E1 cs but I’m starting in 24 mins

[mellow pike]

hed be down

[proven canyon]

Pain

[mellow pike]

alwaus down to run

[proven canyon]

Im starting work in 24 mins*

[odd delta]

moth why does your work start at

1am

are you ok

[proven canyon]

:3

Im earning extra due to uncomfortable hours

[proven canyon]

(Delivering the morning papers plus some other stuff so literally no other time)

[mellow pike]

wait thast fire

[proven canyon]

Frfr

Earning roughly double what I made my first job

[mellow pike]

congrats

[proven canyon]

Actually I’m earning more per shift cuz I’m being paid more than they should be but I’m not complaining

[placid marten]

I mean the point was to build a new team

but fair

[misty veldt]

contacting your boss rn

[proven canyon]

Bruh

I mean

He can’t really do anything about it

Cuz they set my time for distributing stuff 2 hours more than it should be (new system which is why)

And I’m still earning those 2 hours even if I finish early

[mellow pike]

welll

any team builders?

[proven canyon]

Any pingurs

[mellow pike]

does cell hopping change with host client

[odd delta]

the initial grab is harder as host

[mellow pike]

so should i be grabbing sooner or later

as hosty

dashing i mean

shouldi be dashing sooner or later

[glass cradle]

finally ppl are seeing the light

mfs be hating r2e1 speed for no reason

I will say the run does not rly have enough variability to make it an interesting run for comp

itd lean more towards being like r3d1 than r5e1 in terms of a comp

[odd delta]

unfortunately, the clippability of r2e1 is also not that great

[glass cradle]

fog pov

actually I dont think id mind an r2e1 comp just cuz the levels short

[odd delta]

ngl if the run is longer than 45 the level has to be really good oops there is only one level like that it's e2

[glass cradle]

e2 time would probably be 45 anyways

cuz its gettable with cancel strat

[odd delta]

something around that yeah

[glass cradle]

I havent done enough lf r5c2pe speeds yet to rly gauge how good that would be for comp

in my mind itd be fun

but I havent done enough repeat runs with diff ppl to fully know

and it also just kinda lacks enemy variety a bit

[odd delta]

r5c2 pe has every enemy in the game though except pmom?

the density of some of them is kinda low ig

[glass cradle]

ye its a density issue

r5e1 gets away with it cuz it spams giants instead of strikers

you kinda just swim in strikers constantly on r5c2

with like

1-2 of a random enemy type mixed in

[odd delta]

and random crawler behind in fog

[glass cradle]

r8e2 im also not fully convinced on yet

cuz ive done it a reasonable amount and the success rate of getting to the auto scroller is like

a bit too high

[mellow pike]

auto scroller?

[odd delta]

reactor

[glass cradle]

reactor-ending

beginning is the funnest part imo

[mellow pike]

oh yeah

[glass cradle]

dying repeatedly on beginning is just fun most of the time

autoscroller is kinda like

[mellow pike]

true

[glass cradle]

oops a bad enemy combo came at the same time

and now wave stack ca tches up to you

and you just die

and recovering is just raw time loss atp

cuz youre on a schedule

[odd delta]

with alarm cancel autoscroller is stable though no?

[glass cradle]

its way more boring

cuz you do even less

[odd delta]

i mean yeah

[glass cradle]

like not t osay its not interesting

but

dying there as opposed to beginning wher eits like

chaotic

and funny

is kinda meh

[odd delta]

the beginning is funny because if you don't reset as soon as it's cooked the spiral into utter doom is so good

[glass cradle]

exactly

but this is what I mean, the success rate was like

a LOT higher than expected

when I was doing test runs

so you dont rly get to experience that as much

so itd end up being like

the r5e1 final surge wipes during r5e1 comp

someone does something minorly stupid during the auto scroller and you just lose during a forced play section

very uninteractive

[odd delta]

it is autoscrolling

[glass cradle]

but again this isnt guaranteed

would just have to see how it would go if it wins

[odd delta]

so dying always feels bad because you can only lose time, not gain it

[glass cradle]

like its not like the run isnt still good if it goes well

im just not sure how interesting it would rly end up being doing it for 2 weeks

[odd delta]

it should not be 2 weeks

[glass cradle]

(which isnt rly the target anyways so this is kinda irrelevant and more a me thing)

[odd delta]

1 week is enough

[glass cradle]

byeah as far as new teams running

r8e2 very good

SO much to learn

entire run requires a lot of flex play

[odd delta]

also it isn't just everyone having sawed off scatter

[glass cradle]

and every person has a role

[glass cradle]

yea exactly

its v nice role variety

[odd delta]

someone has to play sniper but like, it's still fun

[glass cradle]

they dont HAVE to

[urban nest]

could run

[urban nest]

ngl

sniper is aight

[odd delta]

it's more like

you see a wave of enemies in front and you have one option

commencing sawed off spam

you don't get to brush or play line or w dmg split

[urban nest]

u can murder hybrids on code 1 tho

and make tank weak

it's pretty aight

[ancient charm]

As a very new speedrunner I unironically think that aside from the first two/three zones before the first surge, that the final surge into the ending is the next easiest part of the run

At least thats how it felt to me

[urban nest]

if you full send and you don't have mines/foam it gets very sus

which happens

[mellow pike]

random throwback i remember when r2e1 solo was like the thing to beat back in og

back when map kiting and circle kiting was the thing

[cloud depot]

the most "boring" role would be wave clear

since your pretty much just spending most of the 1st section carrying matter wave, only rlly doin much on the 1st nightmare 6

[placid marten]

its crazy how much people were hating on stamina in og r6 when it just made kiting and the likes less appealing for pubs specifically

[mellow pike]

yeah I was one of those people lol

although I always liked their approach to stamina

idk how to feel about the randomness of it, but I love the aesthetic and unique take on a stamina bar

no stamina kiting was the only way I was able to solo r2e1, nowadays idk if I could do that anymore lol

[paper arch]

randomness?

[placid marten]

^
?

[native crest]

I assume this is in reference to the randomness in the BPM display

[paper arch]

that's what I thought too

[native crest]

(Which I agree is generally unhelpful for actually looking at)

[placid marten]

Yea it wouldve been better visually stable

[wind cliff]

Guys what if we had a weapon jamming mechanism in the same for 1/10tikes your hit your fire bottin it just wouldn’t work

I think this is the buff that autos need

What if enemies did a random range of damage from 18-6

Avg here is still 12

Idk seems like a really good system

[paper arch]

guys what if we ignore what Jish just said

[placid marten]

jish said something?

[urban nest]

zed would crashout by getting hit for 18 twice

[wind cliff]

It would be so funny

[urban nest]

me when double lick kills at 36

💀

[paper arch]

me when giant lick kills at 36

me when giant punch could 2 shot you

[misty veldt]

what if there was a chance your prisoner drops the mag when reloading so your reload fails and you have to reload again

[paper arch]

butterfingers update idea?

[misty veldt]

yep call it Butterfingers as a plugin

[paper arch]

no there already exists a mod called butterfingers

[misty veldt]

but what does that do

[mint knot]

Add Zippy 3000 into GTFO

[urban nest]

you're dropping packs

and consumables

[misty veldt]

wow nice

[fallen zealot]

@urban nest died after alarm

[urban nest]

L

[fallen zealot]

I get to pmom with 8 sawed off bullets

and 15 on bc

[urban nest]

avg

[fallen zealot]

didn't check time was like maybe a 28

[urban nest]

idk man that alarm is just terrible

[fallen zealot]

idk I just suck at it no matter what I do

[placid marten]

surely you just dodge all the shooters

[fallen zealot]

man

i would've had like sub 28 on that run instead of 30 if charger zone wasn't goddamn awful

[mellow pike]

ye a h

[glass cradle]

this already exists on scatter

dude why cant I find the clip

hoyl shit

nvm I got it

#gtfo-media message

bam

also guys why the fuck is wheel of death winning by even more now

[viral monolith]

yippie

[oblique lotus]

let it cook 🔥

[fallen zealot]

wheel of pog

can't wait to get r1a1

[glass cradle]

my ass is boycotting and lf speeding e2 all week if it happens ngl

[placid marten]

R1A1 would be oof

but the issue is

that its not even in the worst 10

[oblique lotus]

guys what should i order for dinner

[late raft]

food 👍

[mellow pike]

down

[misty veldt]

doro

@glass cradle R5E1 question: who should get the disinf on cs

[glass cradle]

scatters, generally clients, high ping players

or if youre carrying ppl just eat it

(like if you have 0 faith in them)

[misty veldt]

alright, makes sense
was a bit of a debate on who should based on tool like the biotracker or the cfoamer

[glass cradle]

yea I used to be in that boat

[fallen zealot]

mc donalds cok

[oblique lotus]

let one ppl eat all and if wipe, blame that guy

[misty veldt]

The scapegoat strat

[glass cradle]

wait thats a great strat

[mellow pike]

scapeGOAT strat

[rustic bridge]

like speeds or in general runs

[candid jackal]

don't pin this on me wtf

[misty veldt]

was referring to speeds but does it change on normal runs

[rustic bridge]

yes

specifically on split strat you really want dis on people going into charger

[misty veldt]

Should Bio go into charger on split due to zone being dark

[glass cradle]

you run 2 bio

[placid marten]

bio and mines typically

bio and foam stay out

2 scatterguns go inside

but if you are doing this for wiki

then its gun based

[glass cradle]

what I said was for normal runs

[oblique lotus]

2 bio go charger trust

[placid marten]

^

what chill said

[glass cradle]

its less about importance of the role and more about who is most likely to die

[misty veldt]

Oh I haven’t even gotten an R5E1 clear yet anyway but yeah it’s also some degree doublechecking that

[glass cradle]

speed its kinda just a hard req for charger ppl cuz you get to tank a charger tongue

[rustic bridge]

thank god i always get dis

[glass cradle]

thank god I get to host

😎

[rustic bridge]

😔

[glass cradle]

got em

[rustic bridge]

can you stream already so i have something to watch

[glass cradle]

late

r

[glass cradle]

prolly more gauntlet tn

[rustic bridge]

fair

i might join for a break if theres a spot

[glass cradle]

idk whos gonna be around

[placid marten]

you need to sleep

pls dont forget

[rustic bridge]

what lvl

[rustic bridge]

i did

[placid marten]

we are running in 13 hours

when did you wake up

the hell

[glass cradle]

LOL

[rustic bridge]

yeah i will probably nap at some point

[mellow pike]

chill did u see the new ultrakill layer 8 drop

[glass cradle]

no

my youtube wont load the dow drop either

[mellow pike]

I haven't seen dow yet but the ultrakill one is trippy

[proven canyon]

As always seeing Eva branch into babysitting frosty, tbf has experience from babysitting Pablo

[fallen zealot]

i've seen the layer 8 drop

it's kind of crazy ngl

[glass cradle]

I saw some leaks a bit ago

"leaks"

[fallen zealot]

dow had a drop btw?

i didnt see

[glass cradle]

my youtube is still not functioning somehow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhI73mDxd3c

[fallen zealot]

well this works

your yt just doesnt load videos?

[glass cradle]

yea

[fallen zealot]

weird

[glass cradle]

the site wont load period

[fallen zealot]

is it ad block?

[glass cradle]

idk

[fallen zealot]

like maybe youtube caught up to you ad blocking

[glass cradle]

it doesnt load on discord either

[fallen zealot]

sus

[viral monolith]

[cobalt cove]

r7c2 speedrun

[glass cradle]

already done

[cobalt cove]

not officially

as in here tmk

[gleaming sonnet]

how can i get speedrunner role?

[odd delta]

you have to participate in one of the speedrunning competitions

one of them is coming up soon

[gleaming sonnet]

Can’t I get the speedrunner role just for holding a world record?

[hollow aurora]

R4e1 plz 🙏🙏🙏😇

[odd delta]

no, they are competition roles idk ask soy if you want an exception

[glass cradle]

plz no

🙏

[hollow aurora]

It's so peak (luck dependant) why not🙏

[odd delta]

r4e1 is just like
not very fun to speed

[glass cradle]

it sucks ass thats why]

[hollow aurora]

Yeah I mean ig I haven't done speeds for it

I just like the level

[gleaming sonnet]

appreciate the reply!

[odd delta]

the level is fun, the speed is not

is just how it is unfortunately

[glass cradle]

nah the level also sucks

L bozo

[odd delta]

woah

[hollow aurora]

Opinion difference 😂😂

[odd delta]

rare chill bad take

[glass cradle]

nah real ones know

overrated ass level

[odd delta]

the level is good except for fog zones

[hollow aurora]

I'm fake as fuck apparently

That level is peak

[urban nest]

tbh

error is kinda meh

reactor is good

and rest is dog

boss fight is okay-ish

so overall is meh

[odd delta]

error is only meh because past 1st zone the rooms aren't threatening and you get so much time between tanks

[urban nest]

doesn't change it's meh

[odd delta]

sky my point is that if you're slightly worse to the point where the time pressure is real and the rooms can be dangerous it'

s actually kinda peak

[hollow aurora]

I find the error quite fun

[urban nest]

error is like a filler

atp

[hollow aurora]

I mean ig

I also don't have very many hours so I don't find base game easy yet

[odd delta]

ngl hours and skill are so unrelated it's crazy

[urban nest]

ye

[odd delta]

i skillprogged more between 1500 and 1700 than i did between 0 and 1500

it's actually crazy

[hollow aurora]

I just meant I'm not good enough to find base game easy

[rustic bridge]

I’m the only one who fucks with r4e1 speeds

[hollow aurora]

I need my training arc bro 🙏

[odd delta]

the +50 on 5e1 i got during comp did a lot

[glass cradle]

shadows is fun if you play scatter and have an lrf

(so 1 player gets to have fun)

im ngl I dont even find reactor particularly entertaining anymore

in the speed at least

[hollow aurora]

I wonder why

(I'm actually wondering)

[urban nest]

i never get to do so

[glass cradle]

like its definitely still a highlight of the run

but

how it goes is like

purely up to 2 points of rng

[odd delta]

i just get forced into keeping track of so much and gaming out constantly to not die

[glass cradle]

this is good to hear cuz i t was partially the goal

the e tier speed skill prog goes hard

[hollow aurora]

Maybe I get my arc next speedrun comp team

[odd delta]

man i feel so bad for asking ray for duo speeds before i ran 5e1 comp

[glass cradle]

BC by far the most boring role on the level

[urban nest]

i get to play drags sometimes

not that bad

[odd delta]

replace it with sniper and it's big

pdw sniper trust

[glass cradle]

then it just sucks cuz youre playing sniper

[odd delta]

eh

sniper isn't terrible

you get to hit clips and throw runs

[native crest]

It's just another common Choke Mod angle

[hollow aurora]

The reload and fire rate just feel so bad

[odd delta]

tru has a point, choke mod isn't far behind burst cannon in precision dmg per ammo

you get to kill hybrids as efficiently (or more efficiently) than burst cannon and it's big

[hollow aurora]

It's uptime is kinda meh

[glass cradle]

thats not what bc is there for

[hollow aurora]

I'll try this next r4e1 pub

[odd delta]

you are shooting giants and quickscoping shadow giants using pdw to see head

gl

you also have pdw for wasting ammo

[hollow aurora]

I feel like it's gonna be hard to defend myself from anything

[odd delta]

i mean you play for pdw to kill while you quickscope bigs and shooters inbetween stagger

it's hard but can be fun

[hollow aurora]

I feel like it would be fun but vs BBCs 💀

[odd delta]

you shoot 1 sniper to stagger, magdump pdw, and sniper again

[hollow aurora]

I feel like that wouldn't kill

[odd delta]

it kills

sniper deals 40 per shot

[hollow aurora]

Oh fr

[odd delta]

pdw deals 2 per shot with 32 in mag

[hollow aurora]

Aight but what if there is 2

[odd delta]

then you sniper both to stagger and reload sniper while circlekiting or something

then you sniper + pdw magdump them one at a time

listen i can't tell you how to play every encounter just giving ideas on dmg numbers

sniper always staggers bigs

[hollow aurora]

Blood door would also be a problem

But I bet you could finagle it

[odd delta]

you just fight in B and it\s fine

[hollow aurora]

Truuue

[mellow pike]

can we get a speeds level tier list

[rustic bridge]

my team will prob make one soon if we feel like it

we have ran more levels than anyone by far

[hollow aurora]

I'm tired of skipping Brazil let's skip Guyana instead

[mellow pike]

instead of level speed wheel let's get a country wheel to decide which one to skip

[rustic bridge]

djibouti

[hollow aurora]

St. Kitts and nevis skip

[paper arch]

Trinidad and tobago skip

[hollow aurora]

What if we ran st Vincent and the Grenadines skip together❤️

[eternal dust]

😵‍💫🫠

[proven canyon]

I wonder how long the spemdrum comp will be active

[rustic bridge]

1 week prob

[proven canyon]

Might not have time then

[fallen zealot]

two days

[glass cradle]

Dw it'll be a shit level anyway

Can always do it after

[hollow aurora]

Any cell skippers on

[oblique lotus]

skip cellers

[hollow aurora]

cell skip https://discord.gg/kKeYy7Yr lf3 (im gonna wait like 15 minutes max)

[trail narwhal]

id join but im not home :<
but im also rusty and brainless

[hollow aurora]

i will likely be running it again later

[hollow aurora]

Anyone tryna cell skip soon™️

[odd delta]

ye sure

[trail narwhal]

im home and free

[hollow aurora]

https://discord.gg/N4zDHFNE guys, i was thinking about playing r5e1, but i dont think we really need the cell, i think we can just go past it

[mellow pike]

so you're skipping the cell so to speak

[hollow aurora]

you could say that yeah

[trail narwhal]

the cell was the hybrids we met along the way

[odd delta]

mb team if i was a bit controlling

[viral monolith]

i wish i could skip hybrids

[trail narwhal]

you taught us well

[hollow aurora]

nah i had no clue now i have a general idea

of how to cell skip

sub 25 soon

[trail narwhal]

isnt sub 15 the modern good time

sub 25 was eons ago in EA

[odd delta]

sub 15 is wr

[hollow aurora]

bro the wr is 15:somethimg

[odd delta]

sub 20 is a good time

[hollow aurora]

yeah im bad tho

[odd delta]

sub 25 is a run that clears if everyone knows what is happening

[hollow aurora]

so its good for me

[glass cradle]

(not even)

zed werent you there when we did sub 25 with someone who hadnt played the level before

in 1 try

[trail narwhal]

well we got 37:25.881197

[glass cradle]

I swear you were in that run

[odd delta]

i think so

[fallen zealot]

i'm sub 25ing all over the place

[odd delta]

ok fair enough sub 25 is a triple carryish time

[glass cradle]

its all over the screen

[odd delta]

chill you weren't on today correct

[glass cradle]

ye

technically I was on since like 4 hours ago

[trail narwhal]

its leaving containment

[glass cradle]

but I figured ppl werent avail

but tn im playing TERRARIA

[fallen zealot]

man

[odd delta]

HUGE

[fallen zealot]

terraria is massive

[trail narwhal]

huge

have fun

[viral monolith]

fish

[fallen zealot]

🐟

[glass cradle]

whos excited for not wheel of fate comp!!!

[fallen zealot]

!!

[trail narwhal]

wait whaaaa

no way

[glass cradle]

you trade getting a role for actually having fun 😄

[viral monolith]

hey it might not land on a bad level

[glass cradle]

right

[trail narwhal]

who needs roles smh, dont even get a fancy color with it

[glass cradle]

im no1 speedrun hater and you expect me to have a gamblers mindset

curious

[fallen zealot]

cant wait for it to land on [GTFO MODDED] Samdown 1.0.3 T3-E3 "Extirpate"

[glass cradle]

holy shit

🔥

[trail narwhal]

woag

[glass cradle]

except I dont like that level

[fallen zealot]

guys anyone wanna play samdown for fun

[viral monolith]

need to get gtfr on the wheel

[trail narwhal]

sure but im bad

[candid jackal]

you will fight chargers and you will be happy

[trail narwhal]

i love chargers

[viral monolith]

anyone wanna have 10 fps for fun 🙂

[glass cradle]

you will fight chargers for 90 minutes and you will be happy*

[trail narwhal]

would love for mixed groups of enemies in alarms

[viral monolith]

gtfr!!!!!!!!!!

[trail narwhal]

would absolutely love a mod which adds r8 enemies to other rundowns

[glass cradle]

still need to do the stream where I do solo gtfr with my doom modpack

[trail narwhal]

i love them sm

[candid jackal]

90 minutes for a level? 90 minutes?? yeah no that's just modded

[trail narwhal]

doom: eternally gtfo'ing

[covert cypress]

do u have a modlist set up already

[trail narwhal]

i miss r4e1 with a lunch break after cells and 4h clear

[glass cradle]

n0

I know what I used to play with

[covert cypress]

alright thats fine

[viral monolith]

gtfr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trail narwhal]

maaa

wanna pla it rn?

[glass cradle]

send them the zip bomb

[trail narwhal]

hahahaha

[fallen zealot]

quick send the virus

mine bitcoin

[glass cradle]

+1 bitcoin miner

ez

[trail narwhal]

gtfo is already a cryptominer

[fallen zealot]

i've easily gotten +10 bitcoin miners with gtfr

[viral monolith]

yea heres the link: download.com/viruses/bitcoinminer.zip

[trail narwhal]

hmmm

not .zip.exe

i dont trust it

[viral monolith]

+1 bitcoin miner for evey megamom we encounter

[trail narwhal]

too much effort

[fallen zealot]

easily +100 then

[misty veldt]

Do you like samdown

[fallen zealot]

easily worst modded rundown in gtfo

[trail narwhal]

heat is worse

[glass cradle]

I think samdown is good

the content is good and I would like playing it, I Just dont like the changes made to the player

[junior tartan]

hop on cuckers

[glass cradle]

hurts my enjoyment of it

[misty veldt]

changes to the player as in prisoner mechanics or guns

[fallen zealot]

hop on thunderdome with ultrakill music that deafens you

now that's a good one

[viral monolith]

hop on gtfr

[trail narwhal]

its for immersive experience

[viral monolith]

boing boing boing

[fallen zealot]

boing boing gtfr

[viral monolith]

ong

when are we playing

been forever

going to be a pub 😭

[fallen zealot]

when my head stops hurting

[glass cradle]

overall gun changes, stam

[viral monolith]

have you tried slamming your head into a wall

[glass cradle]

he makes a lot of changes to increase player gun downtime

[fallen zealot]

ur so right

[viral monolith]

always

[glass cradle]

he also makes boss kill distinctly boss kill

which is bad imo

[viral monolith]

scattergun 😔

[glass cradle]

scattergun obv bad but BC is like

peak

expensive to wave clear with but you can do it at high skill cap

[fallen zealot]

man i've played so much BC for the 3d1 solo

i undestand it now

why people like it

[trail narwhal]

i hate scatter, its disgusting

[misty veldt]

I see, alright. Was going to give it a look

[fallen zealot]

only took me like 100 hours of BC to get it

[viral monolith]

i hate you ♥

[glass cradle]

byeah the uptime changes combined with roles being highly distinct

means players end up not shooting a lot

and a lot of levels have errors to hold off

[viral monolith]

damn got super preggers again

[glass cradle]

for LARGE portions of the level

so its kinda zzz

[fallen zealot]

yeah not a big fan of that

it's like c2 where you just have to split 2-2 for like

so much time

[glass cradle]

like imagine slotting wave clear

[fallen zealot]

one of the early levels

[glass cradle]

and just holding off a reactor wave for over an hour straight

[misty veldt]

I’ll keep that in mind. Seen people running it in some pubs and wanted to see what kind of cooking was done for it

[glass cradle]

the levels are well designed

the choices ARE intentional

I just dont like a lot of them

[fallen zealot]

just play samdown with pubdown guns

[glass cradle]

which is better than a LOT of modded

[fallen zealot]

easy fix

[glass cradle]

like vast majority of modded

[viral monolith]

i like a lot of the design choices in gtfr

they feel very intentional

[glass cradle]

there are some intentional things in there but theyre probably hard to notice

and a lot of it is not fully functioning

(hence it never being released)

like theres a feature built in that randomly happens when an enemy is selected

[viral monolith]

lakana has a newer version that works way better

[glass cradle]

where it will duplicate that enemy a few times

to simulate a mini wave of that enemy

[viral monolith]

oh that explains a lot

[glass cradle]

the amount is scaled by the tier of enemy

(every enemy is internally tiered)

the tiering is obv flawed hence getting multiple bosses in a single room

and blood door populations are fucked

[viral monolith]

we would sometimes get like 10 bbcs

[glass cradle]

the old issue used to be snatcher spam

[viral monolith]

one after another coming from a single door

[glass cradle]

ye thats prolly it

makes it feel more gtfo

rather than fully random

theres also uhh

large enemy protection

when randomizing a giant or a boss that normally spawns in a zone

it will be randomized among enemies of its same type

rather than the whole pool

so zones that are funny in vanilla will still be funny

[viral monolith]

dude snatcher train

[glass cradle]

e2 with enemy randomizer off is VERY funny

[viral monolith]

guh need to find the clip

[glass cradle]

you get the entire zone population in 1 room with large enemies protected

I forget what other systems are still in there

[trail narwhal]

EA gaming omg, i miss these funny rooms

[glass cradle]

there used to be a fuel system (I forget what term jish used to describe it)

but zones would be given a randomized amount of fuel to gen the enemies in the zone

higher tier levels get a higher average fuel per zone

that it randomizes around

and it uses that fuel to allocate the spawns

[viral monolith]

#gtfo-media message

[misty veldt]

I think the term is heat

[glass cradle]

it is basically heat for room spawns yea

kinda

[trail narwhal]

maa stop making the zip bomb sound so cool and funny

[glass cradle]

idk if this sytem is still in there anymore it mightve been removed in favor of a better one after giant protection was added

its been a long time since we sat in vc working on it

byeah tldr it is actually fairly thought out

full random is

not as good

[trail narwhal]

full rando is bad yeag

[glass cradle]

which is why the zip bomb is way better than the public vers

[misty veldt]

does Heat affect speedruns very much on this note, like I know very rarely you can get Hybrids or Big Shooters on some alarms when typically its just Giants, i imagine R7D2 messes with heat a lot

[glass cradle]

typically no

in levels where it does matter you typically play to avoid making it matter

ie r5c2 scout waves at the start of the level spawn like 3 hybrids and it sucks ass

[viral monolith]

r3d1 giant in shooter alarm my beloved

[glass cradle]

but most of the time its like a minor annoyance at most

since most speedruns kinda just turn enemy population into a soup regardless

(you also just kinda cant do anything about it anyways so it doesnt matter in that sense)

we played around triggering scout at the beginning of r2e1 intentionally to try and reduce hybrid heat during the second surge

but it just isnt really manipulable

[misty veldt]

right, because heat is currently bugged isnt it

[rustic bridge]

whoever disliked my video its on sight

[covert cypress]

my bad

[little bloom]

hater spotted

[glass cradle]

my bad

[rustic bridge]

+2 to my block list

[viral monolith]

link so i can dislike?

[rustic bridge]

https://youtu.be/OFI_mdxB9tk

[viral monolith]

bet thanks

[terse blaze]

That’s actually not a heat bug. I can re-check the datablocks, but iirc r3d1 has 2 error alarms, one with strikers and shooters and one with a single giant

[fallen zealot]

disliked on both accounts

you're welcome

[rustic bridge]

you deactivate those plugging the baby?

also yeah its 2 errors

[candid jackal]

shooter alarm

class 6

not error

[terse blaze]

Oh, my bad

Yeah that one is kinda funny

[rustic bridge]

#gtfo-chat message

Errors btw

[viral monolith]

yea i was talking about class 6

[wind cliff]

Gas

And mew

MONO enemy wave

The goal was to create more varenince is a random distribution

By making think less random

Tbh if I was doing it again I would make random enemy zones that would possibly limit the random enemy pool in zones

both for the awake and asleep pool

It kinda makes me want to work on it again

[rustic bridge]

yes it does

and yes you will

[wind cliff]

I am gonna shower and do my homework than maybe relaunch the project

Fuck it

[rustic bridge]

[mellow pike]

probably me

#gtfo-media message

[placid marten]

Today is the time 💀

[glass cradle]

cant wait to wake up and start my own poll 👍

[placid marten]

oh boy which E tier is it gonna be

[misty veldt]

R8C2

[proven canyon]

I agree with this statement

[mint knot]

R5deE1

[torn portal]

It can't be an E or a D tier right?

[drifting citrus]

it cannot be an E tier apparently

well

it is official

statistically we get a shit level

[placid marten]

@sullen silo isnt even here when the poll ends

now we have to sit in silence waiting

[frosty dagger]

whats the worse case draw for all the a, b, and c tiers in pool? as a layman my immediate guess would be like. r6c3 and r5b4, right?

[placid marten]

A - R3A3 for the least interesting. r4A1 for the weirdest rng

B - R5B4

C - R6C3 and R1C1

D - either any of the 3 reactors or R8D1

[frosty dagger]

the reactors are kinda self explanatory, but what makes r8d1 particlarly bad? (i've not gotten there casually)

[placid marten]

D tiers are legit just pretty good runs

R8D1 has the issue of the fun routings being bullshit to play

Tank cant get mines reliably at the start
Dropping into the pit twice is just kinda cursed

None of the combat sections are fun

[frosty dagger]

well, at least the odds are, what 8/67 a terrible level is picked? not terrible odds. i'm hoping it's a level that i've already completed casually, so i can coral my group into playing it

[placid marten]

💀

oh

You asked for all terrible ones?

I just thought the worst ones

[frosty dagger]

oh god

okay let's do the terrible ones, too

[placid marten]

like the worst possible picks are:

R1C1, R5B4, R6C3 and R7C3 (unless PE)

The first 3 are giga dogshit for comp

[chilly rose]

till we speedrun to the level so we can speedrun the level

[frosty dagger]

knowing our luck it'll be a level we had an awful time on casually

we'll get r4c2 or something

[chilly rose]

we can totally do it now, we've gotten so much better in the past like 1 session :)

[frosty dagger]

doing r4c3 but overload first would also be kinda fun though. you can skip the alarm in the secondary

[frosty dagger]

i mean in fairness r4c2 was the only level we didn't one or two try

[placid marten]

If I only include runs that wouldnt be good even if you hit the good rng then:

R1A1
R1B2
R2B3
R2C1
R2D2
R3A3
R3B1
R3C1
R4A1
R4D1
R5A1
R5A3
R5B1
R5B4
R5C1
R6B2
R6BX
R6D3
R7A1
R7B2
R7C1
R7C3
R8C1
R8D1
R8B3

[frosty dagger]

those are far worse odds

[placid marten]

This falls under levels that are technically cool but rng makes it horrible

[frosty dagger]

there's like a 1/3 chance one of those are rolled kek

[placid marten]

If you include levels that are shit due to rng

[chilly rose]

~30% chance

[chilly rose]

wym? we first tried every level

everything before was just practice

[frosty dagger]

i dont want to imagine rolling for rng in c2 actually. we rolled to get both the items in the same zone during the secondary, but is c2 main as much of a mess as it seems w/ rng?

seems awful to route on the fly

[little bloom]

what's the speedrun wishlist then

[placid marten]

then you add

R1B1
R1C2
R2A1
R2C2
R3A2
R3B2
R4A2
R4B1
R4C1
R4C2
R5B2
R6D4
R7D1
R7D2
R8B1

[placid marten]

If its main only and you want optimal route its a <1% chance

if its PE you technically half that due to ID spawns

[candid jackal]

the level where the players split up!

i'm still confused what happened with wardenmapper like wasn't that available the entire time but nobody used it

[frosty dagger]

uh that's like 40 levels of the 79? levels in the pool

[candid jackal]

it's gonna be funny if it's a level where wardenmapper/seedindexeroverlay provide great assistance

[little bloom]

time to gatekeep logs again

[placid marten]

Uuuh

(Including anything that is decent at least imo)

R1D1
R2B4
R2D1
R5C2
R5D2
R6C2
R6D1
R6D2
R7C2
R8B2
R8A2sec
R8B4
R8C2
R8D2

I guess?

[little bloom]

thought the r1d1 run would be miserable cause it's all scan rng

[placid marten]

They never were?

[placid marten]

well yea

but its a solid run

also people cant cry about reseting if theres only scan rng :^ )

[little bloom]

r1d1 was kinda fun to run

[placid marten]

we have a <20% chance

for a decent level

r1d1 is also beatable wr wise

[frosty dagger]

r2d1 is one of those levels that i've consistently had a very mediocre time on casually but since so much of it can be divided/conquered i can see why it'd be pretty good as a speed level

[placid marten]

1 strat adjustment makes rng matter about 5-10 seconds less

[chilly rose]

i think r2d1 is fun but man do i fucking hate ick

[paper arch]

R2D1 as a level sucks balls

actually let me rephrase

[placid marten]

Its better if you split up

[paper arch]

pubbing R2D1 sucks balls

[placid marten]

^^

agree

my last r2d1 pub

had a group take sniper and 2 short rifles

Sniper was for scout (and giants)

guy killed 0 scouts and 1 giant

[frosty dagger]

r2d1 was the level i learned to stop worrying and love the burst cannon

but yeah it's dreadfully slow casually, and i know it's not like. SUPER punishing on resources, but it certainly feels more scarce than it actually is

[placid marten]

The biggest crap with r2d1 is that you need to learn a bunch of cell spawns

like…

damn

but if the run goes well

It feels good

[frosty dagger]

is the route generator main -> clear the hub zones -> alarm 613/611, blood doors, split up and grab cells/key, -> do 607?

and then you can skip resource room, do class 5 in generator main, extract?

[rotund glade]

Damn r2d1 is bad💀

[frosty dagger]

i'm missing a cell

[placid marten]

1st alarm
2nd alarm
do the non scout zone alarm
(Pull both blood doors and the room behind the small door during it)
Then you do a 3 way split (2 people go for key and cell in 1 blood door, 1 for other blood door cell and 1 for alarm zone cell)
You dont full carry cells to gen (at least slowest gets dropped early)
Go into key zone and grab cell there (meanwhile 1 or 2 people move leftover cells)
Do gen cluster alarm and send 2 to extract early

run can be easier if you chill out with pulling 2 blood doors and the room. Doing it once alarm is done

Instead doing it piece by piece

sawed off/hel shotgun and scattergun should clear tho

[candid jackal]

SEEDINDEXEROVERLAY WOOOOOOOOO

press G

right arrow left arrow

[frosty dagger]

isn't that rng dependant of the cell not spawning in scout room?
also can't 2 scouts be in the room w/ the blood doors? is that a problem in a speedrun/does someone just hold the door into gen cluster?

[placid marten]

No?

[frosty dagger]

although i guess 50/50 odds of cell spawn is way better than <1%

[placid marten]

iirc we didnt have seedindexer for that

[candid jackal]

i remember using it when we were doing r2%

it has the maps even if it doesn't tell you the spawns iirc

[placid marten]

well yea

but thats just knowing where cells could be

same as a 2nd monitor open

[candid jackal]

ya

[placid marten]

I dont think the blood doors have scouts? I might be tripping

But ye you check the 50/50 in drop tho so no needless running

[viral monolith]

yay wheel day

[little bloom]

it's gonna be an epic stream

[frosty dagger]

its gonna be wheely fun

the good news is that, if Eva's list is exhaustive, there's like. a 49% chance of getting a mediocre level or better, and a 51% chance of people having a bad time

[proven canyon]

🤑

[viral monolith]

good odds

[proven canyon]

We love gambling

[frosty dagger]

100% of speedrunners stop before they hit it big gang

you don't lose until you stop playing. at least that's what my uncle told me

coincidentally he still owes me money

[urban nest]

time to roll autoscroller

[placid marten]

R5B4

Surely

Genuinely worst speedrun in the game

[urban nest]

isn't it tied with c3 and e1

[placid marten]

R5B4 has no skill involvement

you run for 4 seconds

its 33:17 or inter

r6c3 has an actual ending run

R8E1 has an actual ending segment

[urban nest]

mm ye prob

[placid marten]

And also cant be rolled anyway

both suck tho obviously
But they are better

Especially E1
Death ending and half as long

[urban nest]

how much is ending in e1 again

1:40?

after team scan

[frosty dagger]

lol can you end e1 early after the scan by friendly fire/dying to mine?

[urban nest]

yeah that's what they do in speeds

[placid marten]

You want to be officialy dead by the time the timer allows you to

A perfect run would be 16:20

but thats insane

16:21 is realistic

[urban nest]

whats current

[placid marten]

16:22

[urban nest]

checks out

I assume it's all about hitting ending door prompts

and prompts in general

and dying on timing

[frosty dagger]

that's a crazy optimized speedrun

[chilly rose]

suicide bomb meta

[placid marten]

Checkpoint door pull
Pathing
Wardendoor pull
Wardendoor open
Datacube trigger
Datacube input
Last sec door pull
Last scan
Perfectly timed mine death

[urban nest]

yee

host maxxing !

[placid marten]

Its mostly autoscroller :|

[urban nest]

when speed gets to the point where u need to optimise prompts

[placid marten]

If you did everything right

[urban nest]

it's just sad

[placid marten]

Then host shoots mine at 16:18

[placid marten]

Nah thats what seeded is too for example

Tutorial is a good showcase of it

[urban nest]

depends what seeded

[frosty dagger]

i mean, fair, but even still. two seconds off of optimial is pretty nutty. especially given like. if you die too early you just wipe

i imagine grinding it would be tedious though

[urban nest]

like seeded e2 for example will never be like that

cuz even if you know everything you still gotta play it out

[placid marten]

it will turn into that quickly too

Execution overall would just be harder

but if you know enemy, res and similar spawns

It just turns into that pretty much

[sullen silo]

Wow wheel of fate won

Gonna be interesting to go through the voters and see who’s never even submitted a run :)

[paper arch]

yup

[oblique lotus]

mod ban them

[drifting citrus]

114 people voted for rngesus... i expect minimum 29 runs in

[frosty dagger]

that poor duo

[placid marten]

its solely rng dependent

we get R5B4?
minimum 28 runs

[rotund glade]

I can only try if its a early level(0%chance)

[hollow aurora]

Who up tryna cell skip

[viral monolith]

aint no way