but a theory doesnt actually make a claim about anything, its a set of rules attempting to explain a phenomena. they can be expanded upon, or demarcated, but they dont ever really get proven completely wrong especially in modern times since the amount of evidence needed to have something be called a theory, let alone accepted as one, is massive. usually its only aspects of a theory that get changed, rarely the whole thing. this is mostly semantics though, so to clarify what i mean earlier is matt pat presents hypothesis that are only supported by his own speculation, and that saying its ok cause its "just a theory" kind of downplays the amount of evidence and testing that goes into a theory of any kind. hes using the laymans usage of theory to make himself sound smarter than he is usually, or to try and excuse the fact he regularly just makes stuff up completely without supporting evidence.
#gtfo-lore
late forge
solar nova
Fair enough.
late forge
like if we had theories videos on gtfo, id much rather them be rigorous and not go too far outside the realm of whats been provided to us : )
lilac island
that's been sort of my thinking on trying to come up with something, i had a problem with that christmas guy because he seemed to enjoy making speculation and not really providing anything as to evidence for the stuff he said, then claim that i wasn't "looking deep enough" or that i wanted to be spoonfed because i wanted something to substantiate what i was saying and would shoot down stuff i didn't think made sense with the information we had, it was annoying
wanton cargo
I mean I would like to have a more concrete story then the very small bits and pieces we have now
One where you can tell what's happening in the objectives rather than trying to piece together a puzzle
Idk if other people want that or not
late forge
I don't think looking deep equates to speculating without much evidence. If we want we can extrapolate as far as we desire from tiny tidbits, but that doesn't really get us closer to answers for anything. If it doesn't make sense with info we have, it's best to either assume what fits or wait. And honestly I fo sure any more lore and I think there could be just a little more given each rundown as to the purpose of the missions, even if it's trickled out
lilac island
i think that the information given is actually at a good pace where it is
we will always want more, but we shouldn't expect even close to a full picture as to the events while the game is in early access
i enjoy that we're given a little information, but never enough to fully tell what's up
late forge
honestly, im a fan of the current pace, i just also cant wait for next rundown already cause i need MOAR
fallow canyon
just do duos
late forge
i also think the lack of full info makes sense given our roles, were prisoners. were clearly being used, why would the warden tell us anything except whats need to know
fallow canyon
It's cool to see the lore expand based on the objective
late forge
honestly i love trying to piece together what each rundowns greater goal is, and i like this idea that we keep being sent deeper and deeper into the facility, and stuff only gets weirder and weirder
fallow canyon
R1 turn off big reactor, R2 get stupid baby, R3 kill stupid baby
late forge
I N T E G R A T E babeh
r4 seems to be about restoring power to specific sections and recovering research data, and the ending is interesting cause the objective is literally to survey an "unknown" threat. if the unknown threat is the ||abomination||, this may imply that its a new development or that the warden doesnt even know the full extent of both the damage to the compound, and the infection
fallow canyon
what was the point of impaling the baby in R3 btw?
late forge
yeah exactly, you have to kill him. since its the most mutated thing weve come across it does make sense to an extent that the infection is evolving
im not sure if we know the point of impaling the baby other than we connected it to something called the "neural frame" after we resuscitated it
silent fjord
As we imprinted the DNA of who we can only assume to be an officer with clearance onto the neonate before attached it to the "neural frame," I'd assume we're letting it "log in" as the officer for the Warden's purposes.
late forge
thats what id assume as well, since the name neural frame itself implies some way to connect to the brain to the compounds systems,we also left it behind at the neural frame as well
also, i find it interesting this rundown that not only does one of the levels names literally mean a vat of suspended nutrients, but we gather both cryotanks containing some kind of protein and glps which are glucagon peptide hormones, which are protein hormones
||the optional objectives also almost all relate to gathering some kind of research or clearance data. connecting terminals, extracting dataspheres, collecting IDs, collecting cargo||
also cytology is the study of plant and animal cells, and is the first mission of this rundown
so i think this rundowns overarching goal may be restoring or recovering biological research data, of what we dont know (but can assume its probably related to the life they encountered in thecrater) and for what purpose we dont know either. foster however is defined as "encouraging the growth or development of something", which makes me wonder if the data is not only tied to the infection, but that the warden or someone may want to actively study and experiment on it. or if it all relates to last rundown, were trying to maybe develop the neonate further? but im not sure about this possibility since its still stuck in the hsu connected to the nframe
wanton cargo
To me it sorta sounded like this rundown ended at d1, which gave the warden a map or scanners or something cause it sounded like he was only able to find the unknown life form in d2 after d1 the reactor was completed. D2 felt more like a side quest and intro into the next rundown rather than actually part of r4
The warden needs more power to access what he is looking for farther in the complex. Hence he needs the officer access from r3 like you guys were talking about, and the power/scanners from gens and reactor in r4
devout geyser
yeah D2 is us escaping into rundown 5, also for us to see the lore at the end with the tank
wanton cargo
So do you guys think the unknown life form was the tank cause if not possible boss fight in r5a1?
Idk if it is an unknown life form because we saw it in c1 but that could be because warden didn't know about it even tho the prisoners did since he didn't have his scanner thingies up yet
lilac island
i would reckon that the unknown lifeform was the tank, it wouldn't make too much sense from a gameplay perspective for R5A1 to open with a boss fight, especially when the game up to this point hasn't really been about boss fights as much as it has been about surprising, nonceremonial reveals of enemies that are just among the fray -- i.e "something that's always been there but we've never been in a dangerous enough area to see" that eventually becomes a minor staple of an enemy
the bosses we've really seen have been the mother and the tank
lilac island
does anyone have a theory what the shooters' projectiles are made of
upbeat frost
probaly the thing that looks like egg sacks on the head?
If you look closely on the trading card it'll show you the yellow thingies in the sacks
vestal delta
my best bet is parasitic eggs, at least thats what the ama makes me think
timid lance
Toxic potatoes
finite vine
@solar nova what expedition is that audio log in?
solar nova
C1
finite vine
is it in the extreme sector?
solar nova
No, NFRAME room
solar nova
It doesn't have sound to it, you just have to check the terminal. Np.
wanton cargo
Wait so which terminals have audio logs this rundown so far?
late basalt
A2 and C1 iirc
wanton cargo
A1? Or is there one in a2 that I missed?
late basalt
Or A1, ye
timid lance
A1 and C1
late forge
shit i was tabbed into the wrong chat xD
timid lance
a lot of people don't bother with the audio logs, every time I ask new players they don't want to
occasionally if I play it myself and goad them into listening they're fine with it.
late forge
i always seek out the audio logs, i dont get why new players just ignorethem
maybe cause they havent experienced past lore and rundowns
timid lance
one thing is, it's easy finding the last couple hard drives in A1 and then you leave right away
the more experienced players in the group that are carrying just leave without telling them about it
wanton cargo
so does anyone know what the log in c1 means
devout geyser
yes ❤️
timid lance
we have to go ||deeper||
devout geyser
@solar nova Hey do you know which level you found WG8T66.LOG? (#gtfo-lore message)
solar nova
12C is C2.
devout geyser
awesome thanks
hasty vale
solar nova
LOGS
READ [full log file name]
It will give you a "Y/N" prompt to play the audio log, which will play until the log is done, you press Z, or you exit terminal.
devout geyser
all of the logs have been uploaded to the wiki at {{Rundown 004}} 
amber nimbusBOT
celest pagoda
Is there an audio log in the D tier? Seems like that Jordie fella was real intent on going deeper and leaving a message.
placid basin
I think for now, the audio logs is always in A and C
sharp snow
any logs at all in D? none on that wiki page and it seems odd for there to not be any
late basalt
Nope
cursive glen
When does GTFO even take place?
timid lance
they have some dates on the logs
it definitely takes place in the future
more than 30 years to say the least
lilac island
we've seen logs that afaik go up to 2053
sharp snow
yeah we can see when the logs were made but there's no telling how much later the game actually takes place
solar nova
There are no logs in D tier, every terminal has been checked.
lilac island
good, i was wondering if there was any at all
placid basin
Imagine putting lore in the optional objective and you have to check every terminal under time limit
atomic bluff
Still new to the lore but why is the Warden always referred to as a plural
frail pollen
When you don't know if an entity is a single person or a group, or the gender it's common to use "they"
We don't know if The Warden is a single person, or a group
atomic bluff
Right but there are times when the they pronouns are used in combination with group they pronouns like in the trailer when woods says ‘lets get whatever the Warden want, and get out’ grammatically speaking, the singular noun Warden would necessitate he says ‘lets get whatever the Warden wants’ rather than ‘Warden want’ the Devs do something very similar in their interviews talking about the game on their YT
late basalt
Tbh. Probably a bit of broken grammar. As the devs are Swedish. 🤷♂️
frail pollen
Keep in mind English isn't the first language of the Devs, so there will be some small inconsistencies but shouldn't overall effect the meaning
atomic bluff
Ah I see. The grammar is otherwise very on point in this game and in their interviews so I thought that might’ve been an intentional small detail
lilac island
i mean
english isn't the first language of the devs, but these are some of the guys that worked on the payday games, unless overkill outsourced their writing teams or anything like that, they seem to have a really good grasp of english and i think it underestimates their command of the language to put the "want" vs "wants" thing out of the realm of possibility
either that or their localization team is crazy
late basalt
Bruh. Even native English speakers do it. I doubt the wardens identity is set in stone yet even
frail pollen
The Wardens identity is set in stone, it'd be silly to be creating lore around something that you're not sure if it's a single person, an ai, a group, or otherwise, so I can tell you that the devs do know the identity.
but to that, want vs wants is very minor and for a non-english speak that can be a simple mistake, and even for an english speaker can be a mistake too
the devs won't reveal the identity and give clues through the difference in a single letter, want vs wants. it'll be a bit more obvious that that, i'd imagine
lilac island
to see the mistake be made in a recorded voice-line seems more like that would have been corrected in the recording booth, to see it reflected once more in some of the devs talking about it opens it up a little more, and with the way that the warden operate or operates in the game, there are some things that hint more towards achieving things a group would be FAR more capable of doing than just a singular person
we can't know for sure at all, especially this early in, but i would be leaning more towards a entity, plural, rather than an entity, singular, though the idea of it being some super powerful AI leaves open a very reasonable reason for being in the other direction
i don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility, and would see it as something that's more reasonable than just one dude pulling the strings
though i could very well throw my hands up a little frustratedly and concede that there is plenty of stories in fiction where one singular person masterminds stuff in such a way that it would really seem as if it was a large group of people doing things behind the scenes when it was only really one dude, and i have to acknowledge that it's a piece of fiction in itself, it would just be a real bummer to find out only one dude is the reason we get taken out of stasis pods and pooped down a giant shaft all the time
cause at that point it seems almost like we find one singular way up to the surface that isn't checked or monitored by security and then it doesn't matter because it's just one dude behind it
signal sundial
I don't really get the impression The Warden is a person myself. If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd guess it's closer to a security system than a human being. Its emblem is present on the most dangerous containment doors. It manages some kind of penal system centered around Hydrostasis Units. HSUs have some kind of crazy post-humanist brain upload system and the Neonate HSU has "DNA Read/Write" stuck on the front. Getting some distinctive Eclipse Phase vibes.
flat halo
If I remember correctly the high class doors and the warden have nothing to do with each other
They just needed a pfp for the warden bot so they made it the symbol of those high class alarms
There was a conversation about that in here a while back if I remember correctly
signal sundial
Really? Interesting I'll have to take that into account.
frail pollen
yeah don't use @native shell bot here in discord for anything
signal sundial
Another thing is: The Warden may have some kind of capability that we don't see. If you look at the rundown entrance points its like the hole we get dropped into has either been heaved up from the inside or ripped up from the outside. What made the holes? The Warden? The Infestation? Something else?
If the hole goes all the way down to the most infected areas doesn't that mean the infection is just...loose in open air?
If the prisoners got outside would there be anywhere to go?
lilac island
as for the warden being exclusively a security system or being automated, i disagree
the big reason is the amount of manual overrides that pop up now and again, along with failures and such due to manual overrides, as well as the fact that something manually overrides the system saying not to drop the prisoners into the complex
signal sundial
Aren't the manual overrides specifically in reference to compartmentalized systems and devices like terminals and HSUs? They are their own automated systems being overriden by the Warden.
lilac island
okay, but i would think that overrides made by an automated system would need several attempts or be failed at any point, if the warden was automated and knew what it was doing, you would think it wouldn't be so inconsistent in knowing what exactly to put in to get what it wants done done
wanton cargo
wait so are the warden doors not called warden doors officially?
manic shuttle
We call it warden doors because of the warden bot thats in the discord, similar logo
signal sundial
Fair point. Though I suppose it depends on what the Warden's original function was might have been. Was it created to preside over some function of the normal civilian facility? Or was it made specifically to send prisoners to accomplish these tasks after the infection got out? If it is an AI or automated system it might still have to improvise.
late basalt
Yeh. Officially apex doors iirc as well
lilac island
the thing that i was thinking is that, well, AI controlled or not, there's definitely something about it that's computerized, the things we ourselves interact with are incredibly precise, accurate, no nonsense and generally acting like a computerized system would, with just some times that feel as though it isn't an AI. i would think that it's probably a computerized system that has some control from a human or humans
signal sundial
If the cortex injection system is what I think it is, then the line between AI and person might be pretty thin in GTFO. 
lilac island
i almost figured that the cortex interface was something akin to the prisoners "jacking in"
signal sundial
HSUs seem to keep them in suspension even after they're injected. Everything that happens in the UI appears to be from the Warden's perspective before the the cage drop is initiated. At that point the Prisoners are brought out of suspension and take a deep gasping breath.
Prisoner HSUs just seem to be shoved in a closet until they get woke up for something, which is weird since the early trailers did kinda imply that they have some awareness about the Warden and what's going on.
I wonder if the "visions" are canonical, the little glimpses of the 004 Rundown boss you get when you hit Inject. Those are very interesting. Dauda's mental instability might be related.
lilac island
i would think that the idea of remembering what happened is something real, what i mean by them jacking in is more like
actually i can't really provide any kind of good reasoning that can't be disputed about what's happening with HSU
timid lance
heh, jacking
signal sundial
I was just watching some old behind the scenes stuff and Simon phrases it like this: "Who are The Warden? What's their agenda?" So it's definitely not an localization error. Simon is fluent in English so it doesn't seem to be an accident that it's referred to plurally. @atomic bluff
atomic bluff
Yes this is what I meant ty for the ping
but you could certainly argue that its less informative to use group words because then they aren't verifying that is is an individual too so part of their masking the identity maybe
signal sundial
yeah it's definitely an interesting choice of words
lilac island
it's certainly not off the table
we just can't know for sure, though i would think that it's a mix of an elaborate computerized system and a group of people for overwatch and direct input for overrides when needed
lilac island
i think that the R4C1 audio log takes place AFTER the events as to what's happened to the complex
devout geyser
i agree
lilac island
after or during, one or the other, but certainly not before. he's no interloper to the people of the complex prior to breakdown, but he may be an interloper to the creatures, or managed to slip somewhere private amidst chaos distracting other people elsewhere
but likely after, you can hear distant noises, and he mentions aloud to himself to hush
devout geyser
well my theory was that he was the one banging in B1
and why it's called contact
(but contact could also mean the tank so im not sure)
timid lance
there's not enough information in general to give a solid answer to anything, only theories
devout geyser
exactly why i said my theory
i think he somehow got stuck in the complex, maybe right before all the sleepers took over?
timid lance
it's going to be a bizarre day when we see a survivor in the complex.
if we see one, that is
devout geyser
i feel like if we were going to it would've been this rundown
but maybe r5? who knows
this could be the start of a new storyline after the neonate one ended
lilac island
the way that it was hinted at was that the tank was the reasoning behind the rundown's title
but as for the banging in zones 53 and 52, it's, well, inconclusive
the sound does match up pretty well with morse code, but idk, maybe there was some oversight with it cause you can make both of them play at the same time
they're pretty damn far apart, so for him to be in both places at once is a little eh, but it's probably just oversight
devout geyser
it's the same reason that the boss mother's sound played on two different doors. you're only meant to go through one.
it plays on both so you are sure to hear it
lilac island
wym only meant to go through one
devout geyser
the other door was supposed to have an alternate generator spawn but i think the map is just a bit bugged
lilac island
or do you mean just one at a time?
timid lance
boss mother? you mean the banging sound?
devout geyser
boss mother as in r3c1
timid lance
or are you talking about r3, oh yeah.
lilac island
i'm not talking about R3
devout geyser
i know i was with the other sound
lilac island
i thought you were talking about the R4B1 banging that you hear when you open the doors to zone 52 and 53
devout geyser
yes
timid lance
R4B1 is bugged though, one zone never has the generator in it
lilac island
ok i kind of see what you're saying
devout geyser
a generator is either supposed to spawn in 53 or 52, not both
lilac island
is there only meant to be one key to one door then?
and they just ran into a bug to not get it to work properly so just put in both as a workaround
devout geyser
not sure about that
lilac island
because if there's not meant to be one key to one door only, then it's not that you're meant to go through only one door
because you can open both with no barrier to entry other than finding the keys
devout geyser
yeah but they expect you to ignore the other bc there's no point
lilac island
i mean there's not, if it spawned in 52 then you still might want to go to zone 53 for supplies
devout geyser
i don't think any supplies spawn in those rooms do they?
lilac island
hell some runs that went bad we went into zone 52 just to pick up the single medkit
and i think that a tool refill, ammo and medkit spawn in 53
devout geyser
hm, well yeah it's just an oversight then
anyways im betting the banging was the c1 log guy trying to get someone's attention
timid lance
2 use meds spawn in that unused zone
the fog, plus spitters, plus large groups of enemies makes it never worth it to go in there, but this conversation is getting kind of away from lore discussion
lilac island
yeah, you only really go in there if you know you can keep the spitters down pat, the group i play with never sends more than one dude into either room due to the amount of people making it very easy to piss off the room. but uhh, yeah, with the banging the oversight of it makes it a little iffy for me, i think there's probably something to it, but i think i want to wait until we see something with the same MO to make a definitive one way or the other statement
i would think it incredibly interesting to see a survivor
devout geyser
he was trying to leave some message based on the c1 log
i wonder what he means by deeper
maybe an audio log in r5?
i thought it would have been in d tier but nope
timid lance
maybe there's a failsafe or something to deal with the problems of the complex further down
or at least to seal it off to prevent anything from escaping
Surely there's something worse below that we haven't seen yet. Something awful we just aren't aware of yet.
devout geyser
oh for sure
side note- would it be more helpful to put all of the logs on a single page on the wiki? right now they're spread across each of the rundowns' pages
timid lance
Or there could be some cool break room that he wanted to chill out in, with a nice lock on the door for his safety
(speaking of, where are the bathrooms)
devout geyser
i would LOVE an environment based on sleeping quarters, common areas, bathrooms, cafeterias, etc
lilac island
in C1's log, he's specifically trying to find the hearsay to leave a message, he says this outright, though we don't know what the hearsay's functions are beyond probably being used as a pseudo-PA system and as a roomscale recording device
timid lance
so to contact help
devout geyser
i don't know about contacting help, in A1 it's used to document the exchange between kishen (maybe some sort of doctor or therapist) and jordie (a contracted worker)
but it was supposed to be top-secret, i wonder how the c1 guy knows about it
lilac island
he specifically states that he's there to leave a message, and doesn't say that his purpose is for anything else
sharp pollen
Do we have any lore on why the shadow variations exist
timid lance
in terms of logs, I don't think so
sharp pollen
It surely has something to do with depth though
timid lance
I think we'vee seen shadows at various depths though
R2 had them not too deep if I remember correctly
sharp pollen
I only started in R2 and only got to do the b levels 😢
devout geyser
r1d1, r2c1, r2e1
timid lance
||they're in R4 as well||
devout geyser
yeah just d2
devout geyser
are they?
timid lance
Yes, have you never done PE on that?
devout geyser
i had the entire rundown completed the day it came out
c2 i have only played once though
timid lance
Going into the extreme area there's sleeping shadows, then when you go into the overload section there's sleeping shadows and shadow scouts
You surely have to remember that, it's a LOT of them.
sharp pollen
Mans just didn’t see them
devout geyser
i remember every level except c2
i dont even know what the objectives are except GLP
timid lance
There's like 8+ shadow scouts in the overload section
getting ID for the extreme, and carrying a data sphere back to the entrance for overload, while shadows spawn and attack
devout geyser
OH WAIT i actually joined near the end of a run with plant so i never really completed the level
lmaooo i need to replay c2
timid lance
Go do that, lmao
devout geyser
but yeah back to the lore, i have no clue why shadows exist
i kind of just pretend they don't
timid lance
speaking of, what's the difference between the data sphere and nframe? They look similar
devout geyser
the datasphere is the sphere and the nframe is the big needle
that's the actual nframe
timid lance
flexing moderator ability of posting images
timid lance
oh, right yeah it's a data sphere Never mind then
and yeah I can post images. I was thinking of another channel
devout geyser
i wonder what was injected into the datasphere tho
timid lance
genetic data?
devout geyser
maybe, from a previous imprinted neonate
timid lance
I wonder what the tag on the sphere is for
devout geyser
likely to just label them
timid lance
the other data spheres don't have them though
wanton cargo
How would c1 guy get further down if doors are locked and he doesn't have the lift thing like we do? Does he have special access to the place?
timid lance
probably has rights to bioscan through doors and such without tripping the alarm
wanton cargo
So he can go through all the doors? I assumed that before whatever went down, the scanner would only let people who go in daily or higher to enter since people would probably only work in certain sections of the complex.
timid lance
maybe he knows of different ways of navigating the complex
wanton cargo
Maybe, just trying to figure out who he is and how important he was
lilac island
the dataspheres using N frames which are essentially just giant needles, which were also used for the neonate makes me think that they might be using DNA as a means of informational storage
DNA has a data density higher than that of flash memory, retains information for far longer and uses less energy, which makes it an incredibly efficient form of storage -- so long as you can get the DNA with which to do it and an efficient way of encoding and decoding the information to and from DNA
timid lance
anyone know what the Emergency Blast Data Transfer is in regards to the logs on terminals?
it seems like something was rapidly sent through the whole network hitting all the terminals
like, the server room temps got hot then it sent out that data transfer
there's no error log, when it said it completed with errors
devout geyser
prob something to do with the destroyed tiles in c1 etc
timid lance
Where was all the data sent, and what are the automatic safety measures that it talks about in the end of the log
devout geyser
also the explosion/huge earthquake mentioned
timid lance
03:23:14 AM is when it primed the nodes for the transfer
or at least started to
then after it was primed and commenced the transfer, an alert occured at 03:23:49 with corrupted data
03:24:05 was when it completed and the log was made at 04:00:00, so the thing happened in a very short amount of time
this is from the auto_gen_status.log which is on every terminal, I don't think there's a difference in them
I see everyone glossing over it, but it hasn't had much explanation
I'm guessing the warden managed to intercept it or something
but that would entail the warden being aware of what was happening to the server room
for it to happen in such a short amount of time would mean it was a planned event, meaning the warden or someone else may have triggered this event themselves
I don't think this was a fluke or semi-natural event that just happened to occur
The warden or someone else wanted the complex to be destroyed
As to why, there's clearly not enough information
the reason I have suspicion on the warden is because he could have rerouted the data transfer to wherever he needed it, this could have supplied him with information of the complex in order for him to send the prisoners in to collect physical objectives he needed
he's done some shady stuff with the terminals before, an example of him hacking in the reactor during the shutdown sequence of R1D1
Or at least, that's what everyone assumes
There's a chance of a second entity besides the warden working to get their hands on whatever's in the complex
a side note, many of the computers talk about biomass and artifacts with a common component of iridium
and that they've been stored for "further analysis"
the artifacts are pretty small, but the biomass are typically patches of weed
I haven't looked at much else for the biomass results, curious to see what all they've been looking at
oh, here's another, a small shrub
so it's plant like biomass mostly? which is weird for stuff like that to grow underground with no light
another is a herb, these are kind of tedious to find as I'm mostly seeing the artifact one
small bush
lilac island
there is a lot of plantlife biomasses, though we know for certain that they aren't the only kind of biomasses found in project deep reach, as you can see creatures covered in skin, with distention underneath the skin, in many of the glass cylinders found throughout labs sections
we can surmise that the samples are brought from deep reach via a pulley elevator, as there is an inactive one that can be seen within D2, i'll try to get a screenshot of it some time today
as for the emergency blast data transfer, we can already tell what the data was that was sent
just by reading auto_gen_status.log, you can see that it primed 99.2% of the nodes connected to the network for transfer.
this would mean that whatever the data is, it was sent to almost every single terminal on the network.
the only data that we see which is consistent across every single terminal we've got access to is auto_gen_status.log. This would mean that auto_gen_status.log is the data that was sent, as it would be expected for there to be a blast of some sort, and it would be important for any search and rescue or cleanup crews to know what happened to cause a blast with the server data
atomic bluff
Whats project Deep Reach
timid lance
I think the log was generated on all the terminals because they were used in the data transfer, not that the logs themselves were the data being transferred
lilac island
see, but the log itself states "notifying all connected nodes" and that it primes all connected nodes for the data transfer, then redistributing the data
if the log wasn't what was distributed to all terminals on the network, why is it that there is no other data shared across any other terminals, it's the literal only piece of data that has been redistributed to all nodes on the network
@atomic bluff deep reach is an excavation site for the complex, bringing back all sorts of samples from biological samples to simple rock samples containing iridium
atomic bluff
ty ty
rotund basin
watch the story finish and its just
lilac island
i would c r y if they did some cop out simple thing instead of going as far as the community is willing to
lilac island
i think that something that furthers my idea of the dataspheres using DNA as a storage medium is the neonate HSU having the following on it's front when resuscitated
"DNA read/write enabled"
i don't know exactly how this relates, but if i were to hazard a guess, i would think that they're using infant children as generators for DNA to be harvested to store data
or, alternatively, it's something to do with the fact that they are infants, their telomeres are going to be at their longest through their entire life, and in a biologically normal child, their DNA would be at it's least corrupted in it's life
alternatively again, they could be harvesting stem cells and changing the DNA within the stem cells to store data that way, or harvesting DNA in general
there's a lot of possibilities, none of which we can really confirm, but i do think that the N-frame and data spheres using DNA as a form of information storage is strengthened by the neonate and it's HSU
it's possible even that the datasphere we have in C1 is the neonate after having been harvested.
or information retrieved from the neonate
late forge
That would make sense, especially since well, we already have stored data on dna i believe. dna storage for data is still in early stages and absurdly costly, but it has the highest capacity. the neonate is also injected via the nframe, which we also place data spheres in, so its very likely thats the cast. CRISPR is another example of gene editing, so in vivo dna storage/editing is already a possibility. there is a read/write metaphor for gene, but i doubt this would be used officially because its misleading about genetics https://www.wired.com/story/the-read-write-metaphor-is-a-flawed-way-to-talk-about-dna/#:~:text=The Read%2FWrite Metaphor Is a Flawed Way to,of genetics. Dra_schwartz%2FGetty Images%3B Animation by WIRED Staff. So id say the only logical conclusion we can make based on available information is that they are utilizing dna strands to transfer and store data. The spheres and nframe could be an advanced way of reading/writing and storing such dna, which would explain why it takes time and also these very massive and complicated looking machines/data spheres
however, what id be curious about is how a datasphere becomes corrupted in this case, maybe through decay? or contamination?
also dna can be destroyed via heat so if they used dna en masse to store data, as implied by datasphere shelves, an earthquake that caused cooling systems to fail could jeopardize both typical computer servers, and dna based servers/data storage
tl:dr though, i think its highly likely that dna storage is something being utilized by the compound. its massive, and we know theres alot of research and advanced equipment there. DNA is the most efficient storage in terms of density, its just not practical now due to cost and the tech being young. but maybe in the game world, its advanced to a point of practicality especially for large scale research
regarding stuff growing underground with no light, fungi do not require light. theres also a possibility of hydrothermal vents playing a role, as we have earlier this year discovered in the Chicxulub crater deeo underground, about 1300 meters down
many plants we know of can also already live in the twilight zone of caves or deep in the ocean where just barely enough light penetrates, even assuming this area is pitch black throughout, its possible some form of mutated or distinct plant life may have formed without a need for light. alot of the plants we find with the exception of moss growing places dont seem to have many green parts which would indicate chlorophyll. there are some plants, especially parasitic ones, that do not have chlorophyll. these plants usually attach themselves to the roots of other plants
scenic wagon
what are N frames for?
like, why did we just shove a neonate in one and leave it there?
lilac island
well, we don't entirely know what the deal is with the neonate in the N-frame, but we can be fairly certain that in R4C1 we used the N-frame to encode data from the N-frame to the data sphere to be retrieved
scenic wagon
is it just me, or does the reseusetated neonate just look like a bunch of pulped body?
lilac island
which would probably mean that there's something similar going on with the neonate, but we don't know the extent or the limit of what N-frames are used for
the resuscitated neonate looks like it's under a cover
like it's air-sealed
lilac island
pretty sure
if it was a pulped body then it wouldn't be resuscitated at all, it would be dead
scenic wagon
my image looks like bloody unless I am seeing it wrong
hot burrow
Its under a red light
lilac island
it's just the lighting and the color of the covering
scenic wagon
o, NVm then
lilac island
it has a covering with a lot of electrodes on it, and what actually looks a lot like a synthetic umbilical cord. it could be that the neonates are actually pre-natal, with them living in there in an artificial womb
the HSU being that artificial womb
royal gull
The abreviation KDS is mentionned in some logs this Rundown (R4C2), does anyone found out what it means ?
I can imagine S stands for Security since the Complex and Garganta are security facilities
DS can also stands for Data System, since we've found data environment in the Complex
lilac island
the complex is not a security facility, though it is a secure facility
if it were a security facility, it would be dedicated to security, as in, it is exclusively meant to hold something secure and have personnel on site to keep it secure. in this case, while it does do that, it's not the primary purpose of the complex. The primary purpose of the complex, as can be surmised from a terminal log stating that iridium is beginning to be used a lot more in consumer technology, with iridium prices rising and the stock price of Santonian Mining Corperation rising 8% in a single day, is to mine iridium to profit off of the rare metal. This explains why the complex is where it is, as iridium is incredibly dense, meaning that earth's natural reserves of iridium would have sunk into the core and mantle during the earth's formation, making it impossible to retrieve. this means that the only iridium easily accessible would be through surface impacts from meteors, as it will be more common in meteors than on earth.
it's because of this that we can tell that the complex was built to mine the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, and that this is it's primary purpose. secondarily, it's very murky as to how or why they're finding it, but it's dedicated to the study of the artifacts and plantlife rich with iridium they find in the Deep Reach excavation, with results of what their composition is like being scattered on research terminals all over the place. the best real theory we can make is that some life was either brought on the meteor, or managed to survive underneath the impact crater, and wound up isolated from the rest of earth, leading to an extremely long time in complete isolation, allowing for a vastly different and seemingly alien tree of life. the only reason that this is the line of best fit as to what's going on is the fact that there are still some sealed off environments today that are being discovered with similar circumstances: life that evolved isolated from the rest of the world.
KDS is mentioned in Rundown #003, most easily accessible in R3A1, where KDS is referred to as being a solution to a conspiracy radio station that seems to know too much and is calling out things that Santonian's parent company, Dreyfus, is doing
though, the full email that talks about it is in pieces and is scattered around the rundown, i think KDS is mentioned in R3A1's text log without being jumbled but i might be misremembering
but we don't really know what it stands for or what it means
devout geyser
KDS is actually mentioned in 3 logs
signal sundial
What does Dreyfus' brand name show up on other than Neonate HSUs? Is it safe to assume they're some kind of biotech company?
I get a bit of a Bayer/Monsanto vibe off of them.
Strange that they'd plaster their name straight onto something so repugnant while the rest of their facilities are marked with endless subsidiary brands.
devout geyser
Dreyfus is Santonian's parent company
signal sundial
Yeah, and apparently Dreyfus are manufacturers in their own right too. But there's a lot of equipment from other companies that aren't confirmed to be affiliated with Dreyfus too.
devout geyser
ye they outsource alot of the tech and materials
for example McCallister Aggregates is their concrete supplier
signal sundial
Looking at the Neonate HSU again, it's got both Dreyfus Industries and the Santonian logo on it. They definitely weren't afraid of being linked to the production and use of digital baby coffins.
lilac island
well, they're not meant to be coffins
dreyfus has their logo on the resuscitation units, as well as the neonate HSUs. i think it wouldn't be a stretch to say that they're a big role in the n-frame technology, which from what we can tell has something to do with using DNA as a means of physical memory in their data centers
what they're okay with putting their brand name on and what they aren't willing to kind of comes down to what the actual HSU is meant to do
from what we can tell, they have the ability to be normal, deactivated, or malfunctioning, though we don't know the status of the person, nor what it's goal is
we can take a cue from the fact that we need to resuscitate the neonate, who starts off in an HSU where the glass is blacked out without text, and then is more visible with lighting on the inside of the pod as well as text describing vitals on the front of the glass after resusciation, that it's possible that santonian or dreyfus somehoe found a way to keep our body in a sort of hibernative state with little signs of life being present, essentially turning off their bodily functions and leaving their bodies "turned off"
putting the body at a near metabolic standstill and appearing for all intents an purposes dead
lilac island
anyone else wondering what the warden get out of collecting GLP-1?
from what i've looked into, it's used as a hormone to treat type 2 diabetes by essentially making the patient feel sated
but that does kind of match up a lot with the title of R4C2: Pabulum. a pabulum is the suspension of nutrients in something to be consumed
inland gust
Also the name on that mission means something like "food" if I remember correctly
Yhea that.
lilac island
it makes me wonder what the difference is between the GLP-1 we find in the expedition and any GLP-1 that might be synthesized on the surface
inland gust
My only idea is that is somehow used to keep prisioners in stasis
lilac island
actually, looking at the layout of expeditions this rundown, it says that the GLP-1 is required for the "next phase"
we could presume that next phase probably means the D tier of expeditions
maybe the GLP-1 is meant to be used on the tank to put it in a more docile state than would be expected, by dumping bodies down there that's had GLP-1 dispersed through it or on it?
solar nova
The entire rundown seems to be building towards some unknown purpose R5 or later.
lilac island
it would be making it feel sated enough to be comfortable and go to sleep instead of already hungry and looking for more food by the time the prisoners reach it, and then the bodies left around in Z102 were left purposely to feed it with the GLP-1 hormone.
though, yeah, "next phase" could very well refer to the next rundown
solar nova
A1 or A2 I think uses similar language.
I'm inclined to think A1 and C2 are referring to the same thing.
lilac island
ah, A1 does give a good answer, though doesn't refer to the same thing as C2, it agrees with what you're saying
"comprehensive research data required for further development."
solar nova
Coming off of the back of R3, we either need to do something else with the neonate or we've obtained something from the neonate that we need to develop further.
lilac island
er, actually, looking at it again and remembering what A1 entailed, i think it just means that you need to retrieve a bunch of hard drives
but it needs that data for something.
we still don't know what happened to the neonate after R3, but it's a bit of a big deal that the n-frame gets seen a second time now
in a different context entirely, instead using it to imprint information to a data sphere
devout geyser
i have a feeling we will be returning to the neonate
placid basin
Maybe finding the neonate that is missing in D2 boss room
late forge
based on the level names and descriptions of cryo and glp stuff, i think the warden may be trying to run an experiment or "grow" something
it also could be related to the neonate. either way we also collect alot of data, via dataspheres and hardrives. i definitely feel like tis rundowns building to something
placid basin
(Since it’s a big HSU container, we might be able to see a robot transferring the HSU for us and we have to protect the robot)
late forge
cytology=study of plant and animal cells
foster=promote development of something, or bring up a child
nucleus= central most vital part of something
timid lance
It's better that players carry stuff themselves instead of having AI escorts
late forge
pabulum= suspension of nutrients
also the cryo cases have a protein, described as an insulin like growth factor 1, protein
solar nova
A1:
Collect HDDs.
Establish uplinks to upload HDD data.
A2:
Collect cryogenic cases for IGF-1 proteins.
Collect HSU DNA core.
Disable life support for HSUs in "sector 108" (z108?).
B1:
Distribute power cells (for Z085 power cluster).
Start up reactor (for Z085 power cluster?).
B2:
Stabilize climate control w/ gen cluster.
Adjust temperature in "sublevel 821."
Collect OSIP enzymes.
C1:
Retrieve nFrame data via data sphere.
Establish uplink.
C2:
Collect GLP-1 hormones (as congeners).
Collect PIDs.
Retrieve corrupted data sphere.
D1:
Start up reactor (quadrant's main power source).
Route power to "quadrant 038H."
D2:
Clear a path from z91 to z102.
Power gen cluster linked to air purification.
Retrieve cargo.
-I've realized now that the z085 referred to by B1 and B2 is specifically the gen cluster in that zone. B1 is about routing power to it, B2 is about using it to stabilize weather conditions.
-I have no idea what "sublevel 821" or "quadrant 038H" refer to. Seems to be some sort of location jargon that's not meant to be parsed (although "sublevel" may just refer to depth, meaning we're stabilizing temperature either above or below 821m).
-It's worth looking into whether or not "sector 108" is z108, and this may indicate that the HSUs in that zone are important in some way. I'm going to go check that now, probably.
solar nova
108 actually has no HSUs at all, intriguing.
placid basin
I don’t think zone 108 exists in this rundown
lilac island
"insulin like growth factor 1 protein"
solar nova
108 is the first zone of A2 
placid basin
Maybe sector 108 refers to something else not the zone?
solar nova
Considering the difficulties are called "sectors," it might just mean everything in the extreme sector.
since 108 is the first zone of that sector, it would make sense.
lilac island
IGF-1 is a protein that has anabolic effects in humans, and is supposedly very important in child development and growth.
solar nova
We don't collect any IGF, though?
lilac island
the cryo containers in R4A2, i remember there being something about them being called insulin like growth factor but i hadn't actually remembered where i saw it. i still don't, but someone else brought it up, meaning i'm not crazy. can someone go to the level and either look them up on a terminal or actually physically get to one to see what it's called when you pick it up?
solar nova
Ah
lilac island
i was gonna bring it up earlier when i was talking about GLP-1 since that also has something to do with insulin
but i couldn't remember where i saw it, so didn't want to sound like i was blowing air out my ass
but, judging by the wording of the expeditions, and the stuff that we're collecting, i think we're actually growing a person.
lilac island
holy shit how did i even remember that
but yeah, i think we're actually using the supplies and information we're finding to grow a human from scratch.
atomic bluff
question being why
lilac island
if the HSU is to keep a person in stasis to the point where their bodies in the HSU while under life support have such little metabolic function that to wake them up is called "resuscitating", then neonate HSUs might be something very important
they're kept in cold storage, they're isolated, away from light, and we go through a process of imprinting them and connecting them to a frame that likely imparts data through the use of DNA as an information storage medium.
devout geyser
i swear we are gonna go back to the neonate and grow it up
lilac island
we miiiiiiight have done something to alter the neonate's development in order to grow a person in a certain way.
devout geyser
🥺 they grow up so fast
lilac island
i would think it to be an extreme stretch to say this so take it with a big ol bag of salt, but a big stretch bit of shot in the dark speculation would be to hazard a guess that we might be using the neonate as a sort of blank slate to imprint different DNA on to in order to grow a specific person
solar nova
Well, that would give me a few guesses as to R5's title.
upbeat frost
maybe that's how the tank was created
or the tank was the baby in the neonate 🤔
Cause in R2 there are pMother Samples right?
and we found the Mother
lilac island
i'm a little more doubtful of that idea, just because we haven't seen anything to really point to that, and there's a big factor that seems to go against that which is the fact that the tank seems to be a creature borne of multiple creatures melded together
actually, similar case with the mother, too, there's too many limbs that all seem to come from different people, and the boss mother seems to have many ribcages that grow upwards and form a "crown"
lilac island
i mean, with the tank in D2 it would kind of make sense that it would come about as a result of bad genetic stuff since it's in a room filled with HSUs and stuff
upbeat frost
I mean the titles of the rundowns are
1- Protocol 001
2- Infection
3 -The Vessel
4- Contact
what's next?
lilac island
contact and what it's specifically referring to is something that i find to be up in the air
lilac island
contact can refer to making contact with the tank and be 100% correct in that assumption
upbeat frost
hah, that's possible
Is it based on what woods said in Shadow reveal trailer?
WE GOT CONTACT, LIGHT THEM UP
lilac island
i heard a lot of talk about the guy in R4C1, people saying he's responsible for the banging of morse code in R4B1, that there was another log from him that's deeper in the complex, that he was a prisoner. i don't really know where they got any of that from, but he did say that he was meant to leave a message, but not where he actually left it, rather, deeper down is where he's meant to find the hearsay and leave a message
maybe "contact" refers to him making contact by leaving a message, though if he's trying to make contact, it would be weird for him to do it through messages in a rundown place like the complex, so i don't really know
if he's a prisoner, it would be possible he is leaving a message for us
but we have no real way of proving that at all, so i don't think it's that necessarily
upbeat frost
In C1 you can hear faint people talking from the distant
lilac island
in the audio log?
upbeat frost
Not the audio
it's a faint talking noise in the distant, my teammate said he heard like a baby talking
But I heard like a person talking alone
lilac island
any idea where that was exactly? might be worth looking into
rose cradle
i think you might be talking about a certain ambience
but when i get that ambience i’ve never heard a baby talking
upbeat frost
Maybe I'm going insane
If you listen closely you can hear people talking
Or is it only me?
lilac island
i've heard the screams of giant strikers in the distance, but that's about it
solar nova
Where?
solar nova
But what part of it, is it a door trigger?
upbeat frost
I heard the talking at the class 4 alarm door
hot burrow
I think he might be talking about random roars you sometimes here in levels
solar nova
The one you need a cell for?
solar nova
It's when you open the door, then? I'll check it.
rose cradle
i might have a clip of the talking, can i post clips from streamable here?
solar nova
Fairly sure anything lore-related is allowed here
rose cradle
ah okay, also the only thing is i got it from R3C1, i think the talking ambience is used a bit in certain levels
ah here we go
gotta really turn up your volume for this
lilac island
AH, right. i think that's a part of the music, but i'm not sure
rose cradle
it's weird cause it sounds like distorted radio communication
lilac island
but i know i've heard it on multiple different levels
i can for sure say i've heard it in a few of this rundown's levels, but i don't remember which ones in particular
it does sound like distorted radio sounding speech, and it probably is, but when i played for a bit with no music turned on i never heard it
solar nova
This has existed since R1.
lilac island
though, i actually never heard half of the ambient sounds during then either
solar nova
It's just a tension track.
rose cradle
yeah i was just thinking that it's probably that "talking" noise MashEd thought he heard in R4C1
solar nova
@upbeat frost Real quick, is that ambience what you mean or are you hearing something else?
upbeat frost
Something else that wasn't a roar
solar nova
Try to record it, if you can
royal gull
contact can refer to making contact with the tank and be 100% correct in that assumption
@lilac island Contact means any sort of interaction with a specific entity, morse code on R4B1 itself is the first contact with an entity intelligent enough to say or remember Hello in morse AND use it when we open the door.
lilac island
yeah, okay, that could easily be true too
i would say that probably the more significant is this second audio log guy
there is something i noticed about that audio log, you can hear distant monster screams in it, R4C1's log was left after whatever happened in the complex
that would also be a form of contact, though not truly intentional, while i think B1's morse code message is actually meant to do what it did for a lot of players: be played without realizing it's a message or it's significance
i.e we have more to see from the morse code in the future
real flax
What was the morse code on B1?
lilac island
its when you open up zone 53 and 52, i know its on rundown 4's wiki page
real flax
I found it, thanks. I just thought it was a random sound to jump scare you, like the door to the charger room on R3C1
lilac island
what do you mean?
real flax
In R3C1 there was a loud screech when you opened the door to z15,16,17 and z18,19,20
lilac island
oh right i misread, i thought you were talking about R4C1 for a minute
i actually didn't get that far into rundown 3, do you have footage of it?
burnt light
https://youtu.be/74zn9r4qmHA
@lilac island I think @real flax is talking about this
That's a mother's roar
lilac island
ah, yeah, that is indeed a mother's scream
real flax
yes that's the one. I never connected it to the mother though until now haha
golden canyon
Audio log from previous prisoners
Rundown 2
Prisoners refused to complete the objective so the Warden turned on an Error alarm.
Prisoners are getting more reluctant to do shit
lilac island
Somehow Back then I don’t think that was to signify that there was mothers in the area as back in rundown 3 that scream signifies absolutely nothing and is just there for people to pee pee and poo poo their pants. Not until recently has that scream actually been used for a purpose in rundown 4 and actually does connect toward it be a mothers scream my main bet as to why there was a scream in R3C1 was that that scream meant to represent the alpha Mother in R3D1 but assuming this would be a long ass stretch that In all honestly wouldn’t hold up all that well
i'm fairly certain that it is to signify the mother, as it was played in the trailer for rundown 3 specifically when it showed the alpha mother
devout geyser
it was foreshadowing to the end of r3d1
lilac island
Jesus well that had to be one headache inducing scream then
yeah lmao
@golden canyon i dunno if that's necessarily that the warden turned on the error alarm, more just that the area has an error alarm, and the pressure probably made someone crack, with that being the intercepted transcript
If the warden had power to turn on an alarm would the warden think it necessary to try and minimise prisoner deaths by give all doors that are alarm free access to them
And to further solidify that I’m pretty sure every single prisoner is linked up to a cerebral cortex thingy majig which could be lead to people thinking that the prisoners themselves are in full control of their actions and that someone is remote piloting them
it would 100% be against their best interest to enable an error alarm if they had the ability to control that stuff
devout geyser
i think it's pretty clear the warden has little control of what happens inside the complex. they can see what we see, communicate with us via objective updates, but that's basically it. when they tried to override the reactor shutdown in r1d1, it failed. i think the r2c2 alarm was an attempt to shut off security but it ended up triggering the global alarm
astral flax
golden canyon
@lilac island @lilac island Well the auto gen status reports that the servers crashed putting the facility into lockdown thus shutting all the doors. They knew all about the mutations thats why they are all enclosed in glass and they have bio scanners on each door. The warden might not have full control of the facility because the servers crashed thats why so many messages are corrupted because of the emergency transfer got cut off. He may not be able to open any security doors, it would make sense to have someone have to manually open all the doors in case of an emergency to make sure the are is clear that way if some maniac got a hold of the controls he could let all the enemies out so there are security protocols in place like the bio scans on each door to ensure containment but i absolutely believe the warden would have the power to activate a facility wide alarm which would be on the back up power supply on the facility and not just to each sector. Alarms go off on doors you are doing scans for because of the Warning to the area you are about to enter an area that isnt contained. And Klookie that second part is a stretch
@lilac island And think about it what if the prisoners were too terified to move forward and wouldnt complete the objective you could easily just kill them and replace them or do something to motivate them to move forward why do you think each prisoners mental status is monitered and those audio logs are from the prisoners that died before the current expedition got down there
@lilac island We just learned in R4 about the hearsay systems being installed the warden can probably hear everything in the facility once the expedition has turned on the power to that sector
A lot of that is speculation of course and focus on how the facility is designed
it would make sense to make max containment a #1 priority
lilac island
Right now everything we decide to think of isn’t concrete until we get solid confirmation and there’s not a whole lot of that to go around I honest to god think we won’t get a whole lot of lore until the games out of early access so alls we can do is theorise and use what makes the most sense to come up with the most likely explanation
Any thing we can think of that makes a lick of sense helps in every aspect as we can try and connect the dots and see where each theoretical puzzle piece fits
golden canyon
@lilac island Ur absolutely right there is very little evidence in the game itself it is very ambiguous and I feel like the Iridium absolutely has a lot to do with it now because of the News log in R4 about stock prices
lilac island
there's actually a pretty decent amount of solid stuff we do have, though a lot more islands than mainland
lilac island
I’m not big on lore but my mind can think away on things and I like to share my ideas around
golden canyon
do you think the infected are people?
lilac island
@golden canyon iridium is a major factor into why the complex exists, as far as we know so far
Absolutely no doubt in my mind
golden canyon
@lilac island Yeah it was a huge financial value to the facility
I really dont think the enemies are people though i think some can be people but like mutated and melded with the DNA of people but is like its own organism
its evolution is very symbiotic like it has scouts that coexist with sleepers the scouts protect the sleepers like a warning system
giants could just be like grown up sleepers
we really dont know there life cycle
and fungus can grow really well in space on asteroids and satellites this could be like a hive type life form of fungus that rapidly mutates
lilac island
iridium is an extremely dense metal, meaning that if it were to be on earth, it would have sunk to the mantle and core of the planet, making it virtually impossible to reach. because of this, iridium is far more common to find in meteor impact sites. with the rising price of iridium and the rise in prevalence of iridium within the technology commonly used by the western world, it would make sense for iridium to be at a premium. this would make it a huge driving factor to want to set up a deep dig site on the chicxulub crater, as it would offer a HUGE boon in terms of cash, though extremely difficult to handle due to the fact that the center of the crater is actually just off the coast of the yucatan, which can call back quite well to the flooding seen within rundown 2's logs. only a massive corporation with extremely high amounts of money to burn would be able to pull something like this off, a company like dreyfus industries, the company that has their hands in almost every sector on the planet, and is the parent company to santonian mining corporation.
golden canyon
spore in the infection fog maybe rapidly reproducing cells thats why it grows everywhere of course NONE of what i have said in these last messages is backed up by any evidence
lilac island
story beyond this point can only be gathered from the objectives we have faced thus far
golden canyon
but i mean there is some type of organism growing everywhere in the facility
they are always behind glass and artifacts in big test tubes
lilac island
there is a lot of organisms found throughout the facility, both the test tube creatures as well as the plants, and a lot of those can be seen mentioned on research terminals throughout the facility, with a big thing about them being their iridium content being mentioned
golden canyon
yes i saw that
maybe being harvested? from the organisms
i know the content of iridium is extremely small
lilac island
we don't actually know enough to actually pin anything for that, though my thinking has been that the organisms there are something akin to that cave found in romania where some creatures were isolated for five million years and evolved into their own ecosystem
devout geyser
yall want the log timeline again? it clears up how the complex got started
golden canyon
true that reminds me of the log about the mayan libraries
we know how the complex got started just speculating on what they were doing with the organisms and artifacts they found and what exactly are the enemies
lilac island
the log timeline has some stuff that aids in information about the reason for the complex and some troubles they had while building it, but there's a lot of info in the logs that we can't fully connect to a lot of other things, or at least get a good picture of right now
devout geyser
ye but it cleared it up for me
i just want to know how they got from mining iridum to studying sleepers
then it just gets abandoned
golden canyon
so do you think they drilled there way into an ecosystem where these things were and then studied them and eventually something happened where the containment got out'
lilac island
as for the rest of the story so far, we can only really speculate based off of the rundowns we've had so far:
Rundown Protocol #001: mainly centered around breaking through to the complex and creating an entry point into #002
#002: Infection: entire goal for rundown 2 is to push deeper in order to gain access to a cold storage bulkhead which ultimately contains the neonate
#003: The Vessel: entire goal for rundown 3 is to push into needed sectors, ones in which the neonate can be resuscitated, decompressed, imprinted and connected to an n-frame
#004: Contact: a lot more murky, we seem to be collecting information on hard drives, IGF-1 proteins, GLP-1 hormones, as well as doing some other, less important things.
devout geyser
rundown 004 is definitely gathering research and GLPs for the next phase of the neonate
lilac island
IGF-1 is interesting to think about because of the implications it has in it's use, as being an important part of child growth and development, whilst GLP-1, we don't really know much about how it connects, but it's normally used to sate those with type 2 diabetes? a little confusing, i think i'm gonna do more research on that
golden canyon
idk I think the neonate is really important if they are having us gather all this data research completing some of the tasks for the neonate
devout geyser
what was igf
in the cryos?
the datasphere in c1 was definitely to gather dna/info about previous neonates
golden canyon
GLPs we got 15 of them it could of kept the neonate in a smaller form so it wouldnt grow as fast it might be in an important part of its life cycle right now which they want to study
these sleepers do grow to be pretty big
but im not entirely sure what the neonate even is a human hybrid of some kind
if someone were to be cybernetically altered they would need to regulate the insulin
lilac island
i don't think that the GLP were to keep the neonate small, everything that we've done so far has been in opposition to keeping the neonate small. IGF-1 was the protein in the cold storage hard-cases in R4A2, a protein that is very important in child growth and development. as for the neonate, judging by the fact that we only get any kind of information on pulse or vital signs after resuscitation, it can be assumed that while in stasis, biological function is at a bare minimum, damn near non-existent. if the warden wanted the neonate to stay small, they wouldn't be retrieving growth hormones and would probably keep it in stasis.
golden canyon
thats true i just know it has something to do with the regulation of glucose which could be important for resuscitating someone out of stasis cuz they could be like starving but idk enough about that stuff to give an educated opinion
trim gazelle
it's all iridium
timid lance
oops all iridium
devout geyser
wanton cargo
I agree with that glowstick
late forge
its always been iridium
also my working theory is that based on proteins and level names, we are trying to grow the neonate, probably into a dna clone of sorts to have clearance the warden lacks
wanton cargo
that sounds plausible
late forge
the nframe in the end of rundown 3 couldve been read/writing a specific dna code. we know the warden doesnt have complete access to the compound, and we know the neonate had dna read/write on it. either it could be an attempt to bypass restrictions, or i guess its possible the warden is wanting to run biological experiments on the infection but we dont really have anything to suggest that
lilac island
i should also bring up the fact that the ability to read and write DNA would open up the possibility of growing something out of it that isn't necessarily a human person
lilac island
not what i was meaning really
lilac island
i'm drawing a bit of a blank on what i'm referring to in particular, sort of just the idea of like bio-engineering something to grow into something that produces a certain thing, like a cure for a disease or something, or grow it into a biological computer or something
lilac island
i don't think that this is gonna be really comparable to anything from another series
upbeat frost
or each organs of the sleepers has its own role
working together to keep the main body running
lilac island
i mean my brain immediately jumps to system shock 2 for the worms, but the hybrids in system shock 2 don't have teeth faces or horns like a hybrid or charger from gtfo, and they usually maintain their ability to speak and think
late forge
the closest i can come with what we have for explaining the mother is either an experiment, or the infection evolving to reproduce without hosts
upbeat frost
cancer
fallow canyon
both mother and father are people combined with tumors
late forge
they also are the most mutated and the mother has a variety of sleeper bodies merged
upbeat frost
tank has 3 heads lol
late forge
yeah the tanks the most mutated weve seen so far
fallow canyon
!wiki tank
amber nimbusBOT
wanton cargo
God thought it would be funny so he added them to the world
lilac island
i would say that the best theory i can come up with for anything to do with the enemies in gtfo is the idea that they were some sort of life found deep within excavation deep reach, life that has been isolated for millions of years and developed into something we couldn't expect, though the way that life interacts with us can be very different
late forge
id agree with that. my moneys also on the fact that, with or without human aid, its evolving in some way due to interactions with us
fallow canyon
It could also be that it's some type of infection
fallow canyon
because the complex was built before the sleepers were there
lilac island
alternatively, it would also make sense if there was experimentation with neonates in HSUs to imprint DNA and grow the results, leading to some fucked shit to happen
upbeat frost
and bulletproof sleepers just start to pop up
1st one in the labs, the mother
2nd one appears in datacenter, the tank
fallow canyon
what about scout when it's alerted?
late forge
yeah exactly. it couldve happened through neonate experimentation, or couldve been a freak mutation/interaction with humans. they share many similarities with fungi and parasites
upbeat frost
that may be a game mechanic
fallow canyon
could it be some type of skin mutation?
upbeat frost
for scouts
sniper that has high power can't pierce their skin
it means mothers and tanks are very tough
late forge
Even though alot of it is game mechanics, I do think it makes sense that the mother and tank/father are whatever the infection is evolving. the mother is literally several enemy types combined model wise, and the corpses imply there was some form of infection in people. I doubt it immediately had the mother let alone the ability to reproduce without a host initially. The fact that the mother and father are not only found deep down and rare, but are the most heavily mutated implies they were at the very least an occurence only after the initial incident. Human experimentation is definitely implied, and we can kind of see protosleepers of sorts in tanks on d2 as well. So how much is the life form itself and how much is human experimentation I'd say is uncertain currently
The fact we were also gathering research data like with c1 also makes me think the warden is definitely up to something, cause this whole rundown has either been collecting samples, or collecting data, outside of starting up reactors and clearing a path in d2. The bulletproof aspect could've come after facing prisoners for instance and developing a countermeasure
real pewter
the log in D2
dense saffron
real pewter
really good
stiff yoke
it was bugged I think
lilac island
i wish i could have found it, man i was looking through every log i could, was it in one of the optional objective areas?
solar nova
Fuckin' finally,
so this seems like a fairly strong E1 hint if he wants us to go deeper.
Very interesting if he's another prisoner, I wonder what he'll want us to get and how that will work objective-wise.
Also, he could very easily be the sound in B1 just because B1 is at an incredible depth (it's lower than D1 ffs).
lilac island
actually, yeah
and C1 is even deeper than that
do you reckon that we're actually sort of in a situation where we're like only a couple steps behind this dude?
solar nova
We could be, B1 certainly implies that.
lilac island
expeditions in terms of depth are actually a little weird this rundown
A1 - 485m
A2 - 662m
B2 - 844m
C2 - 910m
D1 - 953m
B1 - 967m
C1 - 972m
D2 - 1031m
lilac island
yeah
shaeffer is what he said his name was
but yeah, it at least confirms that the guy in the first log isn't the person in the second and third, which i kind of already thought because they had different speech patterns and their voice didn't sound very similar to me just in general
one thing that confuses me on the wiki is calling the therapist kishen
because of a misinterpretation of what jordie said
wiki transcript reads
"I know. I know. Kishen, can you recommend leave for me?"
when i'm pretty sure he says
"I know, I know... Can't ya--... Can you recommend leave for me?"
placid basin
It is interesting to see how close B1 and C1 are
Also makes sense to have Tank in the 2 most deepest levels
lilac island
actually, yeah, that's true
but, one thing i want to say for sure though: contact refers to contact with shaeffer and not contact with the tank, right?
placid basin
So I assume the difficulty =/= the depth of the level at all. The Tier is more about the threat level and how dangerous the mission is
Yeah I think the contact means multiple things in this rundown.
I still don’t understand why there’s a sound whenever you open the security door in B1 and who is communicating with us
lilac island
being as deep as it is, the third deepest, just barely behind C1 where we see the first shaeffer message, and then that being behind D2 where we find the second, it would make sense for the morse code message to be shaeffer
and yeah, i'm pretty convinced that it is morse code now
placid basin
It’s friendly but also creepy lol
lilac island
i mean he is another prisoner, who also seems to be losing it a little bit considering he's talking to a voice in his head in the D2 message, unless he's getting some kind of radio contact from someone, i would expect nothing less of someone like that
placid basin
The thing I’m concerned is: does that message in B1 a recording or a live message? It sounds like that person/ that thing is in the same zone with the prisoner and try to make contact with them. The echo kind of convince me that the sound is created in that moment.
lilac island
it is created in that moment, there's no audio log for it, it's just them banging on something when we happen to open the doors to zone 52 and 53
fallow canyon
which maps have audio logs?
lilac island
R3A1, R3C1, R4A1, R4C1, R4D2
lilac island
it's on the terminal next to the N-Frame
real pewter
at the data sphree
lilac island
god every single time i think about the N-Frame i just think of
CAPTAIN N: THE GAME MASTER
wanton cargo
So this confirms the warden is a group right? I'm pretty sure he said they. Also I still think the guy in the first terminal could be the one in the other 2 cause it sounds like he went crazy like most of the prisoners. He could just be talking differently and using a different name or forgot his name. To me it just doesn't make sense to put in that first log and then introduce a new character and forget about the first one
frail pollen
They is a gender neutral term. It's often used when you don't know if something is a he, she, singular, or a group.
frail pollen
does it?
lilac island
the only thing that we can do is speculate as to the warden's identity
the only information we can really go off of directly is the way that we interact with them, beyond that, we can only really use some minor bits of deductive reasoning to speculate on different aspects as to how they operate
rose cradle
in the log, doesn’t shaeffer mention that the warden can’t hear him cause of how deep he is?
just double checked, he says that they can’t hear him down there and goes on to freely insult the warden
so is it presumed that the warden most definitely thinks that he died with the rest of his group?
charred vault
Congrats on being the first to find that Alpha! Thought every log in D2 was checked.
frail pollen
There was a bug that prevented it from being available, #patch-notes
charred vault
"This is- my name is Schaeffer. That's- that's all I know, I don't uh, I don't remember. Focus... Yeah I know, yes I know it's ok, it's ok, it's ok. They can't- they can't hear you down here. Fuck them! Fuck the Warden! Call me Schaeffer, I don't know who you are, or if you'll ever be heard, I don't know, I'm not going back up. They'll be looking for me... the Warden, unless maybe, maybe they think I'm dead? What if they've come from me? What if I'm giving myself away here? Listen... I was in a group, there were four of us... they're all gone. But I-I think there are others, maybe you if you're hearing this... maybe, maybe you came after us, or-or before. I don't know... heh. I don't know! But there are signs, I've seen signs... there are other here, I know it. There's... there's blood... fresh blood. The air, it smells different, something alive was here. Maybe... maybe they can help me, yeah, yeah that's it, but-but how do I trust them? They... have to prove themselves! Yes, yes, yes yes... they have to go deeper, they have to get me something... yes... yes, not here though. They have to go deeper. Go deeper. I'll be waiting."
wanton cargo
e1
lilac island
it's an audio log, a second message from that in R4C1
hot burrow
What zone/room is it in
lilac island
i have no idea
hot burrow
Damit
charred vault
Alpha said in Zone 97 Surge scan.
halcyon chasm
This is...my name is Schaeffer.
That's-that's all I know, I don't-I don't uh, I-I don't remember.
Ugh focus...yeah I know, YES I KNOW!
It's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. They can't- they can't hear you down here.
FUCK THEM! (chuckles) FUCK THE WARDEN! (chuckles)
Call me Schaeffer, I don't-I don't know who you are, or..or if you'll ever be heard. I don't know, I-I'm NOT GOING BACK UP.
They-they'll be looking for me...the Warden. Unless...unless maybe, maybe they think I'm dead?
What if...what if they've come for me? What if I'm giving myself away here?! WHA-WHAT IF I...?!
Listen...I was in a group. There were four of us...they're all gone...
But I-I think there are others, maybe YOU...i-if you're hearing this... MAYBE, maybe you came after us! Or-or before! Or...shit...I don't know!
But there are signs. I've SEEN...signs. There are others HERE, I-I know it.
There's...there's blood...F-FRESH BLOOD. The air, it smells-it smells different. Something ALIVE was here.
(Gasps) M-Maybe...m-maybe they can help me? Yeah...yeah, yeah that's it! But-but how do I trust them?
They...they have to...PROVE THEMSELVES!
YES, yes, yes yes... they-they have to go deeper, they have to get me SOMETHING... yes... yes they have to get me something...not here though.
They have to go deeper. (clears throat)
GO DEEPER. I'LL BE WAITING. (coughs)
hot burrow
That in the same zone with the class 5 clusters
halcyon chasm
i erm...tried
chilly prairie
so theres more than just the warden, or the warden is a group
E1 in 4 days 0_0
@wanton cargo how do you know its in 4 days?
chilly prairie
"Unless...unless maybe, maybe they think I'm dead?" The warden would know if he's dead or not because of the cortex interface
flat halo
But idk where they got the date 4 days from now either
Ye the warden probably knows the guy is still down there
Probably just leaving him to get killed by sleepers
chilly prairie
or maybe he isnt a prisoner either? he could also be the warden because they have to get me something, or they have to prove themselves
he just doesnt remember he is the warden because "That's-that's all I know, I don't-I don't uh, I-I don't remember."
timid lance
is the D2 log in the high sector?
chilly prairie
idk
flat halo
Above it said that someone said zone 97
timid lance
so yes
lilac island
@chilly prairie if they were the warden, they wouldn't be down there, and they wouldn't be the same sort of group as the prisoners
as for how things have been this rundown, it's a mighty big coinky dink that we've been sent to a lot of sectors that schaeffer happens to have been recently before we get there
or, i'm guessing recent to when we get there, anyways
chilly prairie
ok
lilac island
i would think that we're being sent on missions in hopes of finding traces of schaeffer with a thinly veiled premise to keep us in the dark for the most part
median stag
chilly prairie
WAIT
this rundown is called contact, maybe its about making contact with schaeffer
wanton cargo
yes
lilac island
yeah, someone brought something rather interesting up with regards to that, the three deepest expeditions in this rundown are, in order of depth from least to greatest, B1, C1, D2. what's interesting is that B1 has the morse code, C1 has shaeffer's first message, and D2 has his second.
flat halo
Yea B1 in particular is like very deep for a b tier
raw perch
Can someone please explain what a warden is?
flat halo
Its the thing/person sending us into expeditions
lilac island
what, like the concept of what a warden is?
flat halo
We basically know like nothing about it
raw perch
thx
lilac island
a warden is basically the person in charge of a prison, they're the ones who administrate prisons, they everything to do with prisoners. but, in this case, the warden is an unknown entity that handles the prisoners and the rundown protocols for the prisoners and whatnot. beyond that, there's extremely little to be said, with information being extremely disperate, and only being able to be gleamed by the warden interacting with us
devout geyser
i can’t wait to see what happens with this Scaeffer story line
he says he’s waiting deeper for us to get him something
i wonder if we will have like side missions, scaeffer objectives instead of just warden objectives
hot burrow
cant wait to escort him
devout geyser
nah north is one of the 4 players
wanton cargo
someone said that maybe the warden is giving us some bs objectives and his real goal is to find schaeffer. i thought it was a cool idea
hot burrow
The baby from R3 is going to hunt him down
wanton cargo
Jordi could be a random worker? I still think he could be schaeffer
devout geyser
nah jordie is not scaeffer
late forge
I wish this rundown had e levels
celest pagoda
Wait, why isnt Jordi Scaeffer? They sound exactly the same, just seems like Jordi forgot his name and is using a codename of sorts.
late basalt
They most likely are separate people. As heard Scaeffer was part of a prisoner group who were all killed except himself. Jordi from the sounds of it was part of the general complex staff
late forge
I think Jordi was just a general worker based on the logs. What I find interesting is I was searching for the drug mentioned, doxin, and while it could be shorthand everything I found said it was used to treatstuff like malaria, i.e. infections and parasites. Why would they give this to someone to "take the edge off"? Could be shorthand for something else, but still weird
Doxepin is an anti anxiety/insomnia med so it could be shorthand for that too, even though doxin is a brand name for the anti malaria drug
devout geyser
They most likely are separate people. As heard Scaeffer was part of a prisoner g...
yeah this ^ also they sound completely different
solar nova
Jordi could have been included in the people the Warden made prisoners, but could go either way really.
dense saffron
Wait, why isnt Jordi Scaeffer? They sound exactly the same, just seems like Jord...
??? they sound nothing alike, go back and listen to the logs again
scaeffer has a higher pitched voice than jordi and jordi has a bit of an accent
wanton cargo
I'd say there is still a possibility until there is more information or proof
I think it's still weird that they introduce jordi and that's it
lilac island
the introduction of jordy wasn't meant to be the introduction of the character, but the introduction of the hearsay system as well as to give insight into the people who worked at the complex and how some of them might have felt while working there
it provides precedence to the schaeffer messages by bringing up the hearsay system as it was used, showing it to be used as a recording system. the mentioning of it within the text log about it further substantiates it's existence, with it all making the idea of recorded messages feel more grounded and feel like they aren't out of left field or anything. it's a method of establishing an element within the story
doesn't mean jordy can't come up again later, but him and his story isn't the focus of that log, rather, it's the fact that you can listen to the conversation at all
flat halo
whos schaeffer
The guy in the C tier audio log and the D2 audio log
And I think some people think it may be the guy in the A1 audio log but that is unlikely imo
scenic wagon
Jordi?
flat halo
Ye jordi is the guy in A1 audio log
placid basin
Does anyone know what is the command for D1 extreme terminal and what does that do?
devout geyser
!wiki Input Command
amber nimbusBOT
placid basin
So I had a talk with someone about the depth of each level yesterday and had some thoughts about the storyline:
A1 - 485m no fog
A2 - 662m no infection fog
B2 - 844m no infection fog
C2 - 910m infection fog
D1 - 953m no infection fog
B1 - 967m infection fog
C1 - 972m no infection fog
D2 - 1031m infection fog (if you open extreme)
So that's my assumption:
A1->A2->B2 (decrease the fog level so that they are allowed to travel to C2)->C2 (getting IDs to gain access of the reactor in D2 and B1, data sphere for C1)-> D1 (main mission is to open the path to B1, extreme it to use the terminal to activate the reactor in B1 extreme)->B1 (activating generators to open the extraction door, startup the reactor in extreme to activate the elevator at the extraction point)-> C1 (Using the data sphere from C2 to collect data, using the terminal in extreme to find out information about D2)-> D2 (moving the cargo to the next rundown).
Also, was talking to chxse earlier, he said that the missions are in order except the missions that are related to Scaeffer (B1/C1/D2). So I guess the storyline might separate into two paths. The main story is to collect datas (Hard drive, GLP, OSIP, HSU sample and the cargo) for the Warden and the side mission is to find out where Scaeffer is.
lilac island
i would think that the stuff with your line of thinking on the missions makes sense, except for the fact that most of it it optional. that, and C2's data sphere is corrupted, i suppose that they could try to fix it, but it wouldn't make as much sense for them to use a data sphere they obtained AFTER C1, nor to turn on a reactor remotely from a different reactor after they already turned it on manually, etc.
as for schaeffer's missions, they are in order, just not back to back in when their missions take place.
placid basin
Cuz at this point I don’t know are we putting optional mission as part of the lore/ the story or not
lilac island
well, considering they're optional, i'm going to assume that for most of them, they aren't important enough to the warden, and they see it more as an "if you can, get this done, too"
that, and, for most of them, we don't see many significant things going on that seem to connect to what we're doing
solar nova
A1 has fog? It's really foggy at bits, even.
glad stone
GLP-1 = Glorious Ludvig Paste v1
red steppe
scenic wagon
GLP= Gfuel
lilac island
Glucagon-Like Peptide 1 (GLP-1)
west marlin
wanton cargo
It's all a dream
lilac island
most of my ones aren't really trying to go very far with things
i guess the craziest i have is that we're trying to grow the neonate with things gathered in R4
sand jungle
i figured the entire mission Prisoner Efficency style was lore wise what was going on
flat halo
I mean I do not think we have a way to know
rustic bramble
royal gull
GLP-1 is Glucagon-like-peptide: mostly involved in development of intestines/liver and hormone regulation with the brain (insulin). Could be why sleepers got the poop out of the loop and grew strong bowels.
lilac island
i always figured that the intestines being distended was because of the worm like tongue
late forge
i think its ;likely we are either trying to get stuff to grow the neonate, or the warden wants to conduct experiments on some aspect of the infection/sleepers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon-like_peptide-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin-like_growth_factor_1
both the cryo and glp seem important for development
if its not for the neonate, then its at least for some kind of "growing" of a living organism similar to humans
lilac island
i can't find anything about GLP-1 that has to do with growing, only it's functions in the human body as an adult
and it's use in treatment of diabetes
late forge
Glp-1 is related to things like neurogenesis
Research I've found suggests it promotes neurogenesis anyways
eternal notch
Has anyone been able to figure out exactly what is being said when you select an individual level on any particular rundown? It's always the same few lines, with the last line giving a depth reading which is always the same.
flat halo
Apparently it is the warden saying the specifics of the alpha level
Like the description and depth of that level
devout geyser
omega-sleep-inducing-peptide
noble night
warden wants to grow the mass as to juice tritium out of it 💰
lilac island
They should make a Lore just on the strange ass doors that you find if there's already lore on why everthing is already locked when you get there... Then tell me
lilac island
Those doors yeah why TF are all of em closed, and why some got alarms why don't they just go up to a damn thermal and mute the alarm like any reasonable 4 brain celled person would do.
"Na I wanna die let's just open the door that clearly says the alarm will go off"
narrow elbow
TBF, it's not like these guys are electricians with training. one of em was a web dev for cryin' out loud.
lilac island
I mean it's not hard bro mute the alarm like you mute your morning phone alarm, bruh
narrow elbow
there's not going to be a mute feature that's easily accessable with a straightforward means, bruh
It most likely operates like a claxon, which is meant to go off if bad stuff is going down. you can't just find an easy-to-access button on those. they need to be idiot proof or people can die.
royal gull
I mean it's not hard bro mute the alarm like you mute your morning phone alarm, ...
The prisonners we incarnate are not supposed to be specialists as far as we know. Tkey are expendables and send fro specific meanings and gtfo, not revamping the complex.
lilac island
I mean the termanals even have a help command which could tell them "Hey these are your options" so why not have like a feature of
Mute Alarm_Door_737B
Of course a terminal would have to be near or in the zone
royal gull
Terminals have help command for gameplay purpose: inexperienced players must have basic knowledge and infos. And muting alarms for quality of life disrupts the generic ambiance of the game, if you don't like the sound design maybe lower the volume or replace it with music. It depends on your playstyle.
lilac island
wait you can replace it with music? Why didn't I know this also, it could be a game twister since you can either take a easier route or straight up take a challenge and do the alarm door, and perhaps have a whole reward system if you choose to do the alarm door such as less scouts or less deadlier enemies as a reward for doing the alarm and for not doing the alarm perhaps more deadlier enemies from that point forward.
And each time you choose to not do a alarm it gets harder and harder.
real flax
the alarm goes off because we are forcibly opening locked doors that the warden doesn't have access too
sturdy sandal
^
meager kestrel
Oh my god
I am literally shaking right now
The shadow scouts and other shadow enemies make absolutely no sense and defy the laws of physics, there is literally no way that something can be made of shadow, let alone a living thing. First of all, shadow is not a material, infact, it is quite the opposite. shadow is just the absence of light, meaning that there is no way for something to be made of what is essentially nothing. Not only that, the shadows can be seen when you shine light on them. THIS MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE as shining light on a shadow makes it go away, not make you see it more. Maybe this would make sense if they were not made of shadow, which as I said is Impossible, but shining a light on a shadow does not make it more visible
So yeah shadow enemies don't make sense
versed sable
Gabe please stfu
meager kestrel
Well u are smart
fallow canyon
when?
royal gull
The shadow scouts and other shadow enemies make absolutely no sense and defy the...
On one hand shadow is the name we as a community agreed to be precise enough to decribe these monsters. That doens't mean they are made of shadow. On the other we can't explain every single part of the gameplay with realistic explanations; that's just gameplay feature.
red steppe
destroyed with facts 
sand jungle
idk if mods are gonna want us to have this disscussion here... again
timid lance
Tfw shadows have shadows
meager kestrel
I don't expect the game to be grounded in reality
But if they use something that exists in the real world (like shadows) then it should make sense
late basalt
There isn’t any lore for them yet prob will be explained later so 🤷♂️
copper pollen
My guess is they're "shadows" cast from a parallel dimension. And we're "shadows" to them. Much like Shadow puppets on a paper wall, we don't get to see what casts them.
Big brains mode
viscid notch
They probably just have the Invis Watch equipped
red steppe
My guess is they're "shadows" cast from a parallel dimension. And we're "shadows...
reminds me of stranger things 
harsh spire
Arent they just
Transparent?
They could also just replicate the scenery around them like some squids do thus why they have a shadow but we see through em
devout geyser
ye they have a silhouette and a shadow
vagrant fiber
The Sleepers are reflections of humanity maybe the more baser primal nature of man. It reminds me of the mist by Stephen King. The sleepers may once have been human but their eyes were opened or possessed by whatever crash landed in said crater. The body rather is a vessel for whatever inhabits it doesn't completely change the body to a new alien form rather it just alters it like say someone punching a mirror the cracks grow into flesh then we get the broken visage known as a sleeper.
lilac island
i just uncovered something massive, GTFO is actually based on the events after resident evil. here's a short clip to prove this https://youtu.be/CxCD-Otsgb4?t=361
i mean its way too similar for it not to be
but thats just a theory
obsidian matrix
BLESS YOUR SOUL
flat halo
I like how a B tier level is the 4th deepest level so far
devout geyser
cause scaeffer
placid basin
He wants to go deeper and so he did
lilac island
tonoight on bottom tier
woods falls down the elevator shaft
hackett hacks a hacker and calls himself anonyman
dauda speaks hausa and fucking dies
bishop codes a new front end for the terminals
and schaeffer gets diagnosed
upbeat frost
Big guy
upbeat frost
scaeffer told he was a prisoner?
cuz he is in a group of four, he told whoever listened to it to go deeper
🤔 we have to go deeper
devout geyser
yup
upbeat frost
maybe we'll meet him one day
devout geyser
This is... my name is Scaeffer. That's- (laughing) That's all I know. (stuttering) I don't remember. (grunting) Focus... Yeah, I know. Yes I know! It's okay. They can't hear me down here. FUCK THEM! (laughing) FUCK THE WARDEN! (laughing) (clearing throat) Call me Scaeffer. I don't know who you are, or if it will ever be heard. I don't know. I'm not going back up. They'll be looking for me, the warden. I must- maybe they think I'm dead! What if they've come for me? What if I'm giving myself away here? What if I- Listen... I was in a group, there were four of us. They're all gone. But I think there are others. Maybe you, if you're hearing this. Maybe, you came after us! Or, before. Or, I don't know. I don't know! But there are signs. I've seen signs. There are others here, I know it. There's blood, fresh blood. The air, it smells different. Something ALIVE was here. Maybe they can help me! Yeah, that's it! But how do I trust them? They... have... to... prove themselves! Yes, yes! They have to go deeper. They have to get me... something... yes... YES! They have to get me something. Not here though. They have to go deeper. Go Deeper. I'll be waiting.
i definitely think we will
flat halo
Eh I think he is still alive somewhere
Would be kind of anticlimactic to set him up as a character with these logs then we just find out he’s dead somewhere
upbeat frost
ye, maybe make him trapped on the other side of a wall
or a warden restriction mission to save him
real pewter
he's got even further down
real pewter
the thing is, the log in D2 said he went even further down.
upbeat frost
?
real pewter
D2 objective are weird that it's just "Clear a path to zone 102" in D level.
Furthermore, we have the description for D2 is "Hostile detected in subjacent area". Which mean, he could be next to us or under.
upbeat frost
It can't be the tank
sand jungle
i feel like it wouldnt be that hard to survive down there as long as you are silent and dont try to get into any alarmed areas
sand jungle
well theres gotta be storage rooms full of non perishibles and id assume they'd be low sec zones, if you found some rope and biners you might even be able to lower yourself down the main shaft really really slowly.
dense saffron
my theory is that he's working with someone who has access the warden doesn't
since this "Focus... Yeah, I know. Yes I know! It's okay. They can't hear me down here. " makes it sound like he's talking to someone, my theory is he's getting messages on his hud similar to how we get messages from the warden in game
upbeat frost
or he is good at hacking he can bypass security doors
But I bet warden wants him dead too
dense saffron
that's just what I think ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand jungle
@dense saffron well hearsay can hear him, and he obv knows about it to make the message. i think he meant the warden can't hear him down there. maybe thats why we only get status and obj updates as we get into certain places. they don't know what exactly we do down there unless something is activated or connected back to them?
dense saffron
Focus... Yeah, I know. Yes I know! It's okay. really sounds like he's talking to an unknown third party to me
upbeat frost
Do you think we have to fight the warden?
sand jungle
could be talking to himself, insane. maybe he's hallucinating his dead teammates
i doubt we are gonna have any conflict with the warden. if anything thats probably where progression will come from. in the early trailer one of the duds asks "will it trade" so i assume we will trade stuff we find for better gear maybe
real flax
I think he is crazy and we will need to fight/kill him in the next rundown. I dont think the warden wants any lose ends, like a rouge prisoner
placid basin
They have to get me something. Not here though. They have to go deeper. Go Deeper. I'll be waiting.
Maybe that’s the reason we are always looking for sample or stuff to get to him in this rundown. He pretends that he is still working for the Warden and sending out missions to the prisoners in order to lead us to him. Maybe this whole rundown is not about what the Warden wants, it’s Scaeffer sending out faking missions to The Warden and hoping for someone to find him.
Next question is, when did he record this?
lilac island
schaeffer is just the leader of the journey to the center of the earth
sand jungle
Rundown 5 "deeper"
upbeat frost
hmm
Schaeffer is a prisoner in a group of 4 like us
I mean we found his recording 1km down into the complex
I mean
why won't the higher ups send drones/soldiers down instead of 4 crazy man with guns and hammers?
fair lion
shepherd 🤔
are devs calling us sheep
limpid flume
```This is... my name is Scaeffer. That's- (laughing) That's all I know. (stutte...
Sorry where's this log located?
viscid notch
Sorry where's this log located?
It's in D2. You can listen to it at the log fragments section of the R4 page on the wiki
green burrow
Is the log behind one of the optional bulkheads?
lilac island
no, it's in zone 97, the surge alarm door
limpid flume
I thought there weren't audio logs in D2 😮 how did I miss it... Also it's definitely the coolest audio log we got so far
stiff yoke
I thought there weren't audio logs in D2 😮 how did I miss it... Also it's defi...
It was bugged till they it got fix in a recent patch
got it*
minor thicket
you're bugged
proven thorn
:0
royal gull
It was bugged till they it got fix in a recent patch
That's the Hearsay system not working, we need to go deeper for patches
stiff yoke
you're bugged
no u are bugged
stiff yoke
That's the Hearsay system not working, we need to go deeper for patches
Hearsay system what do you mean?
flat halo
A thing that listens to people
It is mentioned in one of the logs the people that know about lore know more about it
stiff yoke
A thing that listens to people
ahhh okay ty
heavy lodge
Probably in R5 prisoners are gonna delivery Scaeffer something like L4D2's Cola delivery...?
flat halo
We should deliver him cola too
dense saffron
man needs his cola
meager kestrel
scouts tentacles are its hair
fleet barn
i agree
agile bloom
they might be zombies
orchid seal
wonder if the rundown name mean anything specific,like the current r4 is named "contact"
would that mean about our contact with that guy?
orchid seal
would be fun to see that guy hack into the prisoner hud that sent down in r5 while they doing they task
like suddenly the objective changed
"scaeffer" and how do you pronounce this
timid lance
"shay fur"
real pewter
bain 2.0 let's go
devout geyser
there is no h
lilac island
and you know this how
late basalt
How do you know there is an H 
lilac island
because that isn't a name that exists
devout geyser
remember the devs are swedish
dense saffron
when the second log was broken, it was called "scaeffer_02.log"
devout geyser
also that
dense saffron
it's probably misspelt tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯
late basalt
and hackett is spelled hacket 
lilac island
i mean i can check right now, but i don't want to be a bad little boy and get banned
lilac island
i mean why not
late basalt
O.o
placid basin
I mean new name can be created in anytime in any games : (
late forge
What if it's chafer
chilly prairie
What's with the swedish and making great games? First minecraft, now gtfo?
lilac island
woah woah woah you skipped two steps in there
first payday the heist, then minecraft, then hotline miami, then payday 2, then hotline miami 2, and now gtfo?
frail pollen
Let's keep this about the lore please
solar nova
@devout geyser Where in B1?
devout geyser
morse code
late basalt
^ I agree it prob is him
royal gull
don't know where we go next tho
Deeper
upbeat frost
Da pipe bangin in B1 is a morse code?
rose cradle
ye it’s supposedly scaeffer banging and it spells out HELLO
worthy wren
who?
late basalt
Guy in the D2 log
restive veldt
so turns out the big guys do if 4 people hit their ankles they instantly die which shows that my squad has discovered a new conspiracy where the whole game is revolving around ankles, you know how you take allot of fall damage from hights.. thats ankles! this concludes our theory so far but we will keep you guys up to date -sharkboy100, Drunk Cthulhu, Blitz, PlutiePloo
late basalt
upbeat frost
What if the decoded messages are shayfur's team/other prisoner teams
the ones that are like
What the fuck is that
AW FUCK...
Circle around it
or whatever it is written
devout geyser
the decoded messages are previous teams
topaz flare
most of the times i think our group gose down there to clean up the mess thats why we have a lot more stuff if you think about it
and it explains why 2 of are team members are most likey wardens ppl
real pewter
there is no log in B1
Only in B2
lilac island
@topaz flare the warden would never make it's own people prisoners, and we don't know what connection the warden has with santonian, though we do know that a lot of the workers of the complex were kept in the same sort of hydrostasis units, as we still find many of them down there. it's most likely that they're using hydrostasis units found within the complex as a means of bolstering their prisoner population, and is why they can feel comfortable sending literal millions of people to their deaths
topaz flare
ya but 2 of are team is from santonia
lilac island
yes, two of them have connections to santonian, but again, we don't know the relationship between santonian and the warden.
the warden would only be hurting it's ability to do much by sending it's own people into the complex to die
topaz flare
im theorizing im not saying they are wardens ppl warden as we know may not be human
real flax
the people in the HSUs has to be Santonian employees, as we needed to find their IDs and DNA sampels to access more areas of the complex
dusty birch
which room is logs d2?
devout geyser
second resource room, the one with surge alarm
dusty birch
oooh ok 🙂 thanks
orchid seal
wait there human inside the hsus? i thought it was like a freezing unit use to store dna sample and stuff lol
real pewter
HSU are a bunch of human inside i think since in D2 we saw a human body inside of a HSU
timid lance
"humans"
they're humanoid like the sleepers but we don't know if they're actually human
upbeat frost
you can see their face
lilac island
we've known that there are people in HSUs since R1A1, if you query the HSU you can see the name and gender of the person inside @real pewter
the name is randomized, the gender matches the name, but it applies to all HSUs
oh and their age too
upbeat frost
can people inside the HSU get out?
flat halo
Probably not